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Can I put it this side? Their trust in me to

do this myself is their number. First mistake.

Join us now is investigative journalist Jeremy Corbell. Good to see you.

Corbell is an investigative journalist who helped obtain and release the DoD footage

of UFOs and made contact with this DoD whistleblower as far back as 14 months ago.

The front lines of UFO disclosure.

It is scary if that's true, Joe.

I think you guys are.

Investigative filmmaker Jeremy Corbell got a shout out during the

hearing for obtaining UAP videos and releasing them to the public.

The images obtained by Jeremy Corbell.

The Pentagon confirming the images are being reviewed by a task force.

The man who's been pushing for better transparency, Mr. Jeremy Corbell.

It's everywhere as of late and now the government's

starting and I'm like, what's going on?

Do they exist?

I also want to thank my buddy Jeremy Corbell for providing

these documents and access to some whistleblowers.

The footage is incredible.

The United States government has gathered a great

deal of information about UAPs over many decades.

Biologics came with some of these recoveries.

Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

Non-human and that was the assessment of people with direct knowledge

on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.

And Jeremy Corbell played a big role in bringing these questions to the public.

If he looks familiar, that's because he was sitting

behind Fravor, Grush and Graves today in that testimony.

Thanks for having me, man. It's the duty of journalism to

investigate the unexplained, not explain the uninvestigated.

Slowly, the U.S. government has acknowledged that they're real.

Corbell released these videos.

What else is weird is Jeremy Corbell said a bunch of people are going to

start saying there's a mothership coming to Earth and don't believe him.

Remember he was saying that? Somehow he does have inside cons,

but if he says too much, he puts his whole life in danger.

We've talked to you so many times over the years.

You're one of the world's leading experts in UAPs and UFOs.

He's the most unconventional figure in this space, covered

in tattoos, a former martial artist, a former artist.

And yet he's somehow the one in the know, standing at the center of it all.

I've been holding a secret for about 11 years.

You know, absolute proof beyond any reasonable doubt.

UFOs are real. They're threatening the life of a journalist.

He asked you why, why, why, why you waited for 11 years?

Why didn't you do this that year?

I needed to verify it myself.

George and I will be briefing eight Congress people on video.

And I'm telling you this over the phone.

So any intelligence agency that has a FISA

on my phone, which my lawyer is sure they do,

knows that I am having that meeting and now a lot of people know about it.

All right, here's, here's the deal. Your journalistic

credentials mean jackship, to put it loudly, all right?

If you look in the 70s and 80s with the CIA,

they used to have reporters on their pay roll.

They don't respect anybody. If you do something that pisses them off, they're not

going to come after you, not only you, they're going to come after your family.

And you've seen that happen?

Yes. It's one of those things where, if you become a liability, if

you really have stuff that is that sensitive that you cannot release,

you're relying on your connection as a journalist,

they're going to throw you to the dogs.

I've been having a very surreal, uh, series of days, yeah.

Hey, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it.

Yeah, of course.

The, the daily reality of how often do I get contacted?

Government whistleblowers or just the average

person that says, what the fuck is that I just saw?

You know, launch a Starlink or something like that, a rocket.

Non-stop.

I, I don't think there was any fuckery, but I need you to confirm.

So, this is how it came.

How do you know what to go after?

I see original Polaroid, holy shit.

And where is this?

Yeah, that looks right.

Where is this from?

It's from Los Alamos National Laboratory.

Your dad died, right?

He did. He passed away about a month ago.

I'm sorry to hear that.

My dad died too.

Thank you.

What was your dad's position and why do we find this interesting?

He was in charge of all computer and cyber, cyber security for the entire laboratory.

So, I sent you some official documents from the lab that

talk about meetings they had about atmospheric anomalies.

There's also some information in there about Russian sightings.

I recognize some of the names because I know a lot of these motherfuckers.

I had no idea what my father did. He never discussed his job.

Why are you nervous? Just tell me for legit

why you're nervous. I can tell you're nervous.

Like, I don't belong in this world, but here I am.

The UFO world?

Yeah.

I don't belong in this world. I'm like, I'm

like the least qualified person on planet Earth.

But I thank you for your trust because the

one thing I am is I am worthy of your trust.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna relax though because I feel really uptight right now.

Yeah.

It's a crazy fucking week.

He was the most curious kid ever.

Then I heard that he was listening to George Knapp.

Hello and welcome to On The Record.

About nine months ago, we invited former State

Senate candidate John Lear to appear on this

program to talk not about politics, but about UFOs.

George Knapp, he's a journalist who broke the story about Area 51 several years ago.

Thank you both for being here on the show.

That just weaponized his curiosity.

Well, I did say, Jeremy, maybe you need to find another career.

I said that to him and he's gone, yeah, right.

He knows way too much.

I'm afraid he's gonna die.

They're gonna put it... I mean, there is a hit out on him.

That's what I was told.

And that he's not gonna be able to protect himself.

Am I an investigative journalist?

I'm a husband. I'm a daddy to my doggies.

Really, my business is apartments and properties.

This is, you know, the glorious life of a UFO hunter.

There's the maintenance and the renting.

This is how we make our money.

So it's like the UFO thing for me is out of passion and because I love it.

These are solvable problems compared to the UFO thing.

The UFO thing, unimaginably difficult, I don't know what to say.

How does somebody get so deep into the UFO subject?

To really understand the full picture, I'm gonna need to start where it all began.

You need to go see Sensei Jeremy Corbell.

Martial athletics, since nine years old, you know, first time I was

able to punch somebody in the face and not get in trouble for it.

I was in severe pains, what you'd call groin pains, but I had my hips x-rayed.

They're thinking about coming and cutting out the Bursa.

I mean, all sorts of crazy stuff.

I was also very inflexible because of this.

I have ADD and a decoding disability that makes it very difficult

sometimes for me to focus and concentrate, or at least really used to.

I'm highly dyslexic. I have one of the highest levels of dyslexia.

Needless to say, growing up was a challenge, okay?

But what I realized is that obstacles are opportunities.

Thank you, Professor.

I could see where I was going, all these schools, more

money than I could ever spend realistically as a young kid.

So I had everything.

And I was just curious, is it possible there's

anything else for me, my spirit, like what I'm to do?

And God damn, did life answer.

So I was in Nepal.

I was like, where's the easiest place to keep moving, to keep going?

And I was like, okay, I'm going to go to India.

When I started getting sick, I thought I had like

bronchitis or something, you know, take antibiotics.

I remember calling my mom and dad and telling them

like something isn't right, like I'm coming home.

He sort of blows things off like, oh, it's no problem. I'm not stressed. You know, I can handle it. But as a mom, I

had contracted valley fever, but it was, it had become so corrosive in my body, untreated, because I was overseas.

It had fucked up my kidneys, my liver, my heart, my lungs. But it was also

in my bloodstream. Being a martial athlete, that was my entire identity.

When your identity is so wrapped up into something, and then you don't

have that anymore, you can't do that anymore, you feel like you die.

I started taking apart computers, putting them back

together again, just something I could do mentally.

An exhibit honoring actress Sharon Tate was on display in Culver City.

It was a symbol of freedom, and she was a symbol of love.

I don't even know how that happened. Total accidental artist.

This whole career was because of an illness, you know? And I was having testing done,

like, every three days for blood, so they always took it and looked really beautiful.

It was red, you know? And so then they gave me, I said, well, that's beautiful.

I need that for my work. And so then they gave me, I have loads of it.

I got a camera for my wedding, and started

practicing on my honeymoon, like, how to use it.

He did those black and whites out there, and that's

when I started learning about where his brain was going.

The first person that I ever pointed a camera at

and was like, oh, fuck, it's like a Rubik's Cube.

You know, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get this person talking.

It was really hard, was John Lear.

In the more than five years since we've been hosting these programs,

no guest has inspired such a widespread and enduring audience response,

as has John Lear, son of the famed aviation

pioneer and a world-class pilot in his own right.

I was approached by a government theoretical physicist, employed

by the government, who works on the saucers up at Groom Lake.

He has seen the aliens, he is tired of the cover-up.

John Lear, people know about him because his father

was the inventor of the Learjet, 8-track stereo.

This is a guy that had some credibility in some ways, publicly.

He was the person that you'd want to be able to

interview and talk with about this phenomenon.

I am so hungry and curious to know what I don't know.

I mean, it's like a sickness, bro. It's like, it's a

sickness, you know? Like my curiosity. It's a sickness.

The government has retrieved between 10 and 15 factual flying saucers, three

of which have been in perfect condition, one of which they tried to fly.

They have between 30 and 50 alien bodies in cryogenic storage.

It's not about UFOs to me, you know? You know, what got me interested?

Well, I always point to when I heard Bob Lazar on the radio.

Well, there's several, actually nine flying saucers, flying

discs, that are out there of extraterrestrial origin.

As a 13-year-old idiot kid, but that really sparked me.

But, you know, I put that down. I didn't devote my life to it from there.

Bob Lazar is the reason why you know about Area

51 and you know about UFOs in popular culture.

The original, like, I guess, whistleblower about the UFO thing.

He says he was hired to work at an area called

S4, which is a few miles south of Groom Lake.

At S4, he says, are flying saucers and other working examples

of technology that is seemingly beyond human capabilities.

The live interview with the shadowy dentist drew international attention.

His real name is Robert Lazar. The choice of Dennis was an inside joke.

He says that's the name of his superior at Groom Lake. It wasn't a joke to Dennis.

Why did I go for John? Probably because, you know, in this part of my brain,

I knew that the Bob Lazar story was somehow filtered through Lear.

That's my driveway. That's Bob.

I remember trying to get a hold of Lear for over a year.

Hi, this is John Lear. I'm not at home right now, but please

leave a message and I'll get right back to you. Thanks.

But I remember at one point, I just cold called his phone and he picked up.

I couldn't believe it. And then how open he was with me.

So I just, I saw this like window, you know, there he is.

And I said, Hey man, I want to learn about UFOs.

Come on over, Jeremy.

The hell? You know, who's this crazy person?

He doesn't know me.

And I didn't even really tell him I was a

filmmaker because I wasn't a filmmaker at the time.

So I said, cool. Yeah.

Yeah. I want to bring, you know, a camera and

kind of document some of what you're saying.

And I think he was just hungry for attention.

He's like, come on over. Yeah. Yeah. Come to Vegas, Las Vegas, Nevada. Come on over.

I'm like, okay.

Hey, John, I'm out at the gate.

And then of course, when I got there, he like wouldn't say shit to me.

So like at the time he wasn't supposed to smoke and drink and all that stuff.

He always, man, he made me get, like go get him cigars and sneak them in the house.

All the stuff his wife didn't want him to have.

Jeremy, sneak me in a five pack of Philly Titans.

You can get them at Walgreens.

Marilee's cut me off to sneak them in the house.

And I wasn't getting shit from him unless I brought the cigars, you know.

Yeah.

Being 13 years old, I was so influenced by this

thought that there's a prolific intelligent life,

technologically advanced everywhere.

That's how I heard of John Lear.

I have no fucking idea where this is going.

But my journey now is to tell the real story, the real message.

It's the start of a new journey in my life.

He was so passionate about it.

I was happy for him.

I didn't think he would make any money at having that as a career.

I hope it answers questions and I hope it gives me a million others.

His toilet would be broken and it's like ghost

flushing and I can hear the sound in my footage.

So I'll go and fix the ghost flush in the toilet because I've done it a billion times

because of my history of, you know, maintenance and property and all this stuff.

And once he realized that I could do that, game over, man.

You know, so I'm like the handyman at his house.

And then computers, forget about it.

Usually when I click that, it just comes over the whole thing.

And this just has the context.

John Lear wouldn't tell me shit about UFOs.

But once he started, it was years, man.

Just telling me everything.

The moon was constructed in Jupiter about 20 billion years ago.

And it was towed to Earth sometime between that 20 billion years and now.

There's been many, many civilizations on the Earth.

One of the most advanced civilizations is buried under the Sahara Desert.

They're erased and then they grow again.

They're erased.

This is where you get all these stories about

the civilizations like Atlantis and Lemuris.

Anyway, the moon is a place for the guards to be sure that we don't

escape or don't get away while we're on Earth maturing our souls.

This is John Lear from the Lear family.

And the guy had this personal story that's so wild.

And where did he end up?

Who's imprisoning us?

Those guys.

The bad aliens, they do interfere with our lives.

As a matter of fact, they're pretty much in control of Earth right now.

And there was a table of scientists there.

And...

Oh, thanks, darling.

I had to make it a little healthier for the kids.

Because I had to put chicken on.

Is it... Do you need anything to drink, honey?

What?

Anything to drink, you guys?

No, this is fantastic, but I could have a glass of water.

Well, John Lear was a real crazy conspiracy guy.

But he was... Jeremy was fascinated with him.

With John, it wasn't so much what was true.

How did this guy come to believe these things

that are so extraordinary or wild, right?

Yeah, the guy I was talking to here helped build the pyramids and...

Helped build the pyramids back in the day?

Yeah.

How did you do that?

The aliens are God's demons or something.

Huh.

I was just kind of documenting this human being

that had these ideas that were so far out there.

We have landed on the moon before, you said six times, but just not with people?

No, we never landed on the moon. Did I say that?

As far as Dr. Mitchell and whether he believes or not that he went to the moon...

Liftoff. We have liftoff with Apollo 14. Three minutes past the hour.

This is very tough because Dr. Mitchell is a hero. He participated in that program.

He's going to be very irritated to know that he's been the victim of mind control.

Well, he didn't introduce me to Dr. Mitchell. He more or less challenged me.

He's the sixth person to ever walk on the moon.

Why do you think that there's people that no matter how much proof you give them,

they don't want to believe that you walked on the moon?

Bob's friend, a guy named John, John Lear, you might have heard of him before.

He's the son of the guy that invented the Learjet.

I know, I know.

Okay. You know, he's one of those people that just

doesn't buy NASA's story about the moon landings.

I was not aware that that was Lear's attitude, frankly.

And I'm sorry to hear that. I knew his father quite well.

And that makes no sense to me.

That's not why I was there.

I was there to talk to Dr. Edgar Mitchell because he was born in Roswell, New Mexico.

People talked with him without a filter.

Everybody involved with the Roswell alleged UFO crash, they're

going to, of course, talk to an astronaut who walked on the moon.

I grew up near Roswell, New Mexico.

I was on my way off to college when the

so-called Roswell incident took place in 1947.

He knows everybody from when he was born and raised there.

Several of the people talked over my sleeve and said, can we talk about...

They said, well, the UFO idea, what it turns out, these

people were all descendants of what I call old timers.

For example, the descendants of the Undertaker who had provided small

coffins out to the military to carry the bodies of the deceased ETs.

That if you're an astronaut and you start knocking on doors of

government and start talking to people, they're going to trust you.

So I knew that he had insight into the UFO thing that he had not been saying publicly.

I knew he did.

But I wanted to find out how much of that is belief and how much of that

is very specifically the knowledge that he had that other people didn't.

So that's why I was there.

I did not give a fuck about the moon.

I did take this to the Pentagon a few years later.

And we did get an interview with the

intelligence officer, the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

This is not just government.

It's not just military.

It appears to be a cabal.

President Eisenhower on his retirement warned

against the military industrial complex.

So what we have here likely is a cabal of the military industrial complex worldwide

that has been able to control this thing and hold it for their own purposes.

There's no question.

David is very strong.

They've been here.

And are here.

Sixth man to walk on the moon, right?

Yeah, that's a pretty cool friend to have, man.

He knew some people.

He could connect me with people.

That was really cool.

I learned a lot from him.

Not just from him, but some of the people he led me to speak with.

My name's John Alexander.

I spent 30-some years in the military.

Went from private through colonel.

My second career was Los Alamos National Laboratory.

I've worked in aerospace.

While in the military, I created an ad hoc group

on UFOs who studied the subject intentionally.

It was top secret.

And what you know was about top secret clearances.

We had people from all of the services, the

intelligence community, and aerospace industry.

What we found was not at all what we anticipated.

What does that mean?

Every agency was interested.

Every agency knew the stories.

Everybody thought somebody else was doing it.

UFOs are real.

And I mean by that a very hard craft that transit our physical reality as we know it.

Whatever this is, it is far more complex than we ever anticipated.

We're not even asking the right questions yet.

Let's start a sentence with, John Lear is.

Oh, John Lear is a very interesting and colorful character.

Unfortunately, we violently disagree on notions of reality.

Certainly, I firmly believe that we did put man on the moon.

You guys seem to have, you know, some sort of respect for one another,

despite the fact that, you know, you think he's totally crazy.

Yeah.

Well, let's understand. I mean, his history with, like, Air America as a pilot.

We both were in Southeast Asia.

Certainly respect those kind of adventures.

The guy really had quite an exotic past.

Do you think he would intentionally lead me the

wrong way just for his own kind of pleasure?

Or do you think... I have no idea. I mean, you're asking about his motive.

I have no idea or way to discern that.

Free booze.

Why did they think they went to a moon?

Because they got on this big-ass rocket and shot it up in the air.

You don't think they could have been baked?

No.

Do you ever ask yourself, like, are you just nuts?

Am I just nuts?

No.

I know this is all real. That's where I'm at.

And if I'm not, it's too bad. It's a great ride, you know.

It was a constant barrage. And to this day, a lot of it was bullshit.

It doesn't mean he didn't believe it. You know, he believed it.

You say this as if you've seen it. So, how do you know?

About seven years ago, I was on AboveTopSecret.

com, and a guy started to post whose name was Sleeper,

talking about being in the army and having been

picked up by aliens and taken all over the universe.

He's talking about this guy. This guy that's

like a UFO Jesus. I mean, some weird guy.

And like you said, he met the dude online. The dude wrote some books.

Well, he was brought here to Earth in 1952.

The main problem is to get out of here, this prison planet.

And according to Sleeper, I'm done.

When he says, little angels like John get passed right on through without judgment.

That's pretty strong.

Did you see the part yet where I fucking made them meet face to face?

I guess, you know, proceeding with John, I was wondering if, at

your convenience, if you have interest, you know, to meet him.

Because as far as for his ideas, as I've said, you've

played such a pivotal role in his understanding.

I mean, he has such an admiration for you.

It seems like it goes both ways. Any month, any time.

You know, just for a couple days, a weekend, you know,

I could, you know, essentially bring you out to Vegas.

Do you want to do it over?

You know, I think that was actually really good. It was natural.

So, I'm in the UFO phenomena. I came here in a ship. And I learned a few things.

I learned a few things about Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, and other beings.

And I've explained a lot of the things in my books.

Let me get a drink.

Okay, yeah.

Well, I just want you to know that this is the first time I'm in front of a camera.

So, I have no experience of being in front of a camera.

John Lear happened to want to link up with me.

Because, you know, we're all friends. We haven't met.

Okay, when you're ready, come on in.

The infamous Lou. Come on over here.

How's it going?

Just like your picture.

Oh, well that's good.

So...

But little angels like John get passed right on through without judgment.

So just hold on to that ticket.

Is it still valid?

Oh, sure.

You know, I brought the icon.

The person that you can defer everything to and just believe.

And I just felt like it was a lie.

You see each other again?

Yeah.

To this day, I don't understand it.

Mostly what I learned from John Lear is what not to do.

I would see people come from all around the world.

I'm Jeremy.

How are you?

Nice to meet you.

Jeremy.

Spice satellite programs.

And there was one that was a nighttime Spice satellite program.

Thanks for the whiskey.

It's damn good.

Okay, yeah.

You guys mind to have a film?

I don't... I'm... I'm an English person.

Are you okay?

People would come to just get it off their chest.

Whether it was... They were crazy or they were not.

It was true or not true.

He was just this, like, person that you could just talk to.

And then from there, though, I started to...

Because my mind was open, I learned maybe from him,

don't judge somebody and push him away.

Somebody was trying to take pictures of him,

but the government didn't want anybody to know, but you did it anyway or something.

It allowed me to kind of be a good listener, I think,

to people that have had profound experiences that they believe.

Sometimes they're actual.

Sometimes they're a little misguided.

But I think that's a core value that I learned from all that.

It's an Alice in Wonderland planet.

Very few people will ever find the truth.

But everybody is looking for the truth.

And a lot of people think that they found the truth.

But that's impossible.

I was really frustrated.

I was there to learn about UFOs.

I was there to get information.

I thought it would happen so quick.

My wife was always really supportive.

She was like, when I just felt it, like,

I gotta go and drive to Las Vegas alone.

A lot of time, money, everything, to do that.

You know, it's like, I was just starting my real estate stuff.

So it was like, I was putting every penny I had to get

in that car, buy the gas, get down there, and, you know,

first couple times, you know, staying at a hotel or something cheap I could find.

What kept me going was also that some of what he said was verifiably true.

Stuff that was so out there.

Nevada test site, right dead center of the test site,

is what is known as Area 51.

Like, about the way our government was hiding the UFO truth.

He would tell me stuff and provide me a document that

he got somewhere, and some of that was absolute spot on.

Every single person has been abducted.

And are being abducted.

So UFO land is destabilizing.

And like, I went right into the viper's pit with the destabilizing thing.

George Knapp was always this anchor.

In the five years since we broke that story,

a lot of nonsense has surfaced about what goes on out there.

We've heard stories about tunnels that stretch

all the way to New Mexico and New York,

secret underground bases run by aliens and the military.

He was an island of sanity.

Yeah.

100% fucker.

He was.

He still is.

Kinda.

I tried to get a hold of George Knapp through email and calling the news station

and just asking if he would have lunch with me or talk to me

so I could get some background with him and talking to you.

And he hasn't responded to me yet, but I won't stop.

I'll keep trying to get a hold of him.

Yeah, he doesn't respond to anybody that I know.

Getting to George Knapp is like trying to get

to the fucking president during an election.

I mean, it's like, it's the hardest thing in the world.

Contacting him and contacting him because he

was like an idol and George just blew him off.

They say it's the easiest secret in the world to keep.

It's leaked out many times before and nobody believes it.

But I had a new thing to say and it was, hey, you know, for

like a year I've been filming with John Lear in his home.

So I was an artist at the time, right?

So I was making art and I was in my drive port, like my car port.

And I had this really toxic resin.

And it was like the phone rang for Vegas.

And I didn't know who was calling.

I even got resin on the phone, but I was like, hello, this is Jeremy.

Sorry.

And some dude comes on and he goes, hold for George Knapp.

And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, what?

And me, an unknown fucking person, George Knapp, started talking.

It's like shock and awe over Baghdad here.

You sit up here on the roof or on the balcony below,

you cannot believe the firepower that is unleashed.

Once they met, it was like they clicked.

Cheers.

Thanks for having me over.

This is great.

Things I went through the atomic testing archives, the Department of Energy.

And the reason I want to look for it is see if we could see Area 51 on the map.

And sure enough, it's on there.

Now in the days when I was doing this research, Area 51, they said it didn't exist.

We've never used that term.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I thought that was the official position of the Air Force.

It's especially satisfying to go catch them in an absolute lie.

So suddenly, there's a whole shelf of books about a base that no one had ever heard of.

Hundreds of news articles, documentaries, TV dramas, a

thousand product lines, along with assorted businesses.

The Bob Lazar music video.

He helped me really just clear the table and start over.

Boxes, volumes, the stuff that I've got on Area 51 and John Lear and Bob Lazar.

Did you ever think that you would be so deep

with information into these fields and mysteries?

Did you ever think this was going to be a part of your life?

No, this was not part of my game plan at all.

I think Bob is concerned about John's credibility because it reflects on his own.

And if John Lear, who is a proponent of the Bob Lazar

story, is whacked out talking about crazy stuff,

it reflects badly on Bob's story.

So, yeah, I think he has a certain concern for John, both because of

their friendship and because of what it means to his own credibility.

I think I have obtained enough testimony from

a couple of dozen people who worked out there.

I believe that those craft were out there, that

they looked like what we would call flying saucers.

I believe that they came from somewhere else because we weren't building them.

We were taking them apart to figure out how they work.

Two dozen people who've worked out there have told me that over the years.

They said it was a very compartmentalized, restricted program.

Only the people with a very strict need to know were read into the program.

I know there's a lot of gamesmanship that's been played and

mind games with the public and lies that have been told.

Take it or leave it. I'm just telling you

what the story was as he explained it to us.

I think that's what that is. If you want it, you can take a look at it.

Sure. I mean, whatever you got on the digitizer, I'm bringing it back to DigiCopy.

Many UFO sightings occur in broad daylight. Many involve multiple witnesses.

The witnesses include pilots and policemen, even a president.

People who are trained to be observant and whose judgment is trusted.

The sightings date back to the dawn of recorded history.

Can you give an overview of the kinds of things that were in these reports?

They had photographs of aliens or autopsy reports.

What did it look like?

The typical gray. I hate to say that like anyone knows what a typical gray is.

It's a creature probably three and a half to four feet tall.

I saw the carcass. Well, I was obviously a dead alien.

The carcass cut up and all dark inside like an iron base.

It seemed to be one large organ.

In the late 40s that this project, because of its

potential magnitude, was given executive power.

Did you ever know a man named Bob Lazar?

Here's his picture.

What about it?

If you want to know, then sit down and talk about it.

Okay, that's what you're doing right now.

No.

Well, the camera's not rolling.

I understand.

But you see, we have a limited amount of time.

If you want to understand this, we need several hours.

If I ask you on camera if you know Bob Lazar, can you just say no?

I will sit silent. Can you tell me who he is?

Yeah, I can tell you who he is.

He's a scientist out in Reno, Nevada.

I worked at a place called Area 51.

That's Sector 4 within Area 51.

And he says that you've been there and that he knows you

and that you helped him get a job out at Area 51 Sector 4.

You met him at Los Alamos on June 28, 1982,

at a seminar you were giving at Los Alamos, a lecture on SDI.

And he says you know about all the things I'm talking about

and that you most likely wouldn't talk to me about them

because he says they exist, but people in general don't want them.

Don't... the people... Look, I don't know Bob Lazar. All this sounds right.

I probably met him. I might have been... I might have said to somebody,

I met him and I liked him after I met him and if I liked him.

But I don't remember. And why should I say that on camera?

I mean, look, you are trying to false that I see. We won't answer.

I'm not asking you to say what you believe to be a fact.

I'm asking you to say what you read in a report that has distributed

at what may be the most top secret facility in the world.

It's just... it's so... it's so far out, it's...

Alright, your objection has been noted.

Okay. What does it say?

That we're containers. That's how... that's how supposedly the aliens look at us.

That we are nothing but containers.

Containers of... Containers.

Maybe containers of souls. You can come up with whatever theory you want,

but we're containers. And that's how we're mentioned in the document.

That religion was specifically created.

So we had some rules and regulations for the

sole purpose of not damaging the container.

They shot at you? Somebody shot? Maybe as a warning, perhaps?

It was a good warning. I had my back tire shot out on my car as I was on the freeway.

You saw the guy.

Yeah.

Well, I didn't see the guy, per se. I couldn't identify him.

You saw the car.

Yeah.

The only reason...

That you're doing it.

...that getting this on tape is insurance.

You've fallen into the rabbit hole, and there is no more.

Do you want to grab your phone, or...?

No.

It's a fact.

Um... Do you think, uh... Do you think... We've tried a couple times to call Bob.

Do you think we could try that again, or next time?

We should really try to get him on the phone so you

can be like, Are you coming to my birthday, Bob?

So one day, John said, Bob's in town.

My good friend, Bob Lazar, he's in town.

He's gonna come visit me.

And I'm like, okay, cool.

I'm there filming, because I've been there all the fucking time.

Bob came in, and of course, I get to meet Bob, which is great,

because all I want to fucking know is, is he a liar?

And if I knew that, I could put the cameras

away and fucking go home, and I'm fucking done.

I am done with George Knapp.

I'm done with John Lear.

I'm done with UFOs.

It's fucking done.

I don't fucking care.

It was weird at the time that I thought that

was the most important question to answer.

And some of the things John comes up with, I

mean, are pretty far off of normal, sensible,

you know, the normal, sensible range of possibilities.

Like the soul sucker.

Where in the world did that come from?

You know, right?

The greys were controlling the soul sucker on the

moon, and when you die, it sucks up your soul,

and it gets reprocessed unless the greys steal it.

I mean, come on, John.

What the fuck?

And there was a spirited debate about Sleeper.

It was hilarious.

This book is a work of fiction.

Names, characters, places, organizations, cities,

private and public, government institutions,

millionaires are used in a fabricated manner.

What else is he gonna say?

That's Lou!

What else is he gonna say?

What else is he gonna say?

Why would he lie in his own book?

Oh, by the way, all of us.

Why would he, why would he disclaim that?

I was like, hey, Bob, look, I don't know.

I don't know if this is capturing my camera

or not, but I'm like, I don't know if you're telling the truth anymore.

There's some things he didn't even get into putting there.

Come on, John.

Three fucking minutes of you talking for

yourself would make a huge difference to me.

Do you mind if I had to ask you a couple questions about...

Alien spacecraft at Area 51 reverse engineering.

Fucking simple.

Just wanna know.

Yeah, I know there are alien craft here from another planet.

Now, I saw other ones, but I was inside one.

I know it was not made on Earth.

I know it was made with materials that we cannot fabricate, we cannot duplicate,

and we've never been able to.

I know it uses a power source that's so advanced that

we could only dream of something along those lines.

And the energy density on it is phenomenal.

I saw the truth that day, but I didn't trust it yet.

It took a lot more for me to trust it.

Yeah.

Now, I was going bonkers on UFOs.

I was, like, trying everything I could.

What the fuck is going on with UFOs, non-humans engaging humanity?

I was capturing the world and letting it tell me what is possible.

Are you aware of a facility or facilities on or near

Nellis Range designated S-4 past, present, or future?

The best I can put together is that there is another intelligence,

probably a lot of other intelligences, that interact with us in a variety of ways.

They can enter our reality and mess with us and leave.

And there's not much we can do about it.

Take care.

Oh, my goodness.

Here is a close-up photo.

This was on the bottom.

Not on the disc.

A wedge-shaped craft.

I give you a piece, and you would guard this with your life.

I'll guard it with my life.

And not destroy it.

No.

I do not.

Alright.

Thank you for letting me in your lab today.

We have two samples of the layered material.

I'd like to count for layers.

Are these artifacts from a downed craft of any kind?

I would say no.

Any way mysterious to you at this moment.

No.

Somebody is going to some real bother to represent, misrepresent,

essentially what anybody would consider industrial waste.

I'm going to Vegas.

The old man is like, you know, kind of not doing

so well and I got to wrap some stuff up with him.

But it's coming to a point where it's really making him immobile.

I got it.

I got it.

What was John's decline like?

I mean, fuck, he was a friend, first of all.

So it fucking sucked.

See if we can nail it this time.

There you go.

Yeah.

They won't give me what I, what is prescribed because nobody has that, that much.

Yeah.

That's great.

Thank you.

All right.

It was hard to see him suffer and not have proper care.

There was something mystical about John, like

the way he viewed the world for all his flaws

and all the pain and all the suffering and all.

And again, at the end of his life, I mean,

he, I was probably the lowest on his list of people that he liked.

Right.

I just want to know what it was that pissed you off so much.

I've never seen you pissed.

Six times you said something like, and it was exactly on the last time.

But I don't believe what John Lear says anyway.

I don't believe most of what he says anyway.

It's okay with me.

I just didn't know you didn't believe it.

Well, I think that's a little bit inaccurate and

I think we'll have to look at it differently.

But I've said, you know, with each like time we've done a

radio interview that 90% of what you say, I can't prove.

Let's talk about something else.

I don't feel like being contentious today.

Okay, okay.

Well, it's good to see you.

What does he want people to know today?

There ain't gonna be no disclosure.

Today, tomorrow, in the future, ever.

So the government is never gonna tell people the truth about aliens?

They don't know the truth.

And that's mainly why they'll never tell, is they don't even know what's going on.

Even at the worst times, I like to believe

there was still love between us as human beings.

And I can't shake that, that there was.

Even when he really...

I mean, I have voice messages.

He just chews me out.

Fucking hates me.

But I just always felt like... Maybe I'm delusional.

But I felt like there was always this respect and love.

I... I...

I love him.

You know, I always will.

There came a point where Bob was sick and

fucking tired of other people talking about him.

And ultimately, that's what made him come in front of the camera with me.

It all had to do with investigating how this craft worked.

I do not have the luxury of disbelief.

Bob Lazar is telling you, as it happened, how he experienced it.

Take that for whatever value you take that at.

Coming from my mouth.

But that is the fact.

And wrap your head around that.

I probably was the biggest skeptic.

I thought a lot of it was just BS.

I didn't believe Bob Lazar.

So, are these the two guys?

You wrote this down for me in Pioneertown.

That these were the guys... Hey, hey, why...

Why do we even have this sheet of paper in existence here?

You told me to write it down, put it in my safe.

And I did.

Is it the fear... Were they, like, messed with or something?

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah, directly.

Okay.

And were they messed with because the idea was that if

they stood up and made you seem like a legit person?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

That is one of the most fucked part of the stories that I've heard.

You will not leave before I get a hold of one

of the people associated with the schools.

Really.

Yeah.

Hey, Jeremy.

It's Bob Lazar.

Listen, I have something to ask you.

Something to really come up that's important.

What's the fuel for this reactor?

The fuel is even more bizarre.

It's an extremely heavy element.

On the periodic chart, it would be 115.

So here's the deal.

Did you ever get a piece of element 115 out of Les Alamos?

Yeah, I did.

Did you get just one or multiple?

No, I had one.

Do they know you've hidden it?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know how good we were at keeping that quiet.

That didn't convince me.

But what's come down in the last, I don't know,

six months or so, it's like, yeah, there's

something going on here that's bigger than I thought.

But it doesn't matter if you believe Bob.

It's either true or it's not true.

The whole thing.

The whole shebang.

When I got tipped off about the Nimitz

encounters, I reached out to a bunch of people.

They all kind of pointed to you.

Everybody referred to you as this credible

individual who's a straight shooter and you're

going to have no chance at hell of talking with him.

You got to talk pilot.

When the incident happened, I had been flying for about 16 years, about 3,600 hours.

I went to Top Gun, so I am one of those guys.

There's four of us that actually visually saw this thing for over five minutes.

UFOs are real, non-human intelligence, from somewhere else, not made by mankind.

Or it's a big fucking lie.

My name is David Fravor.

I'm a retired commander in the United States Navy.

In 2004, I was a commanding officer of Strike

Fighter Squadron 41, the world-famous Black Aces.

All four of us, because we were an F-18F, so we had pilots and Wizzo in the backseat,

looked on a small, saw a white tic-tac object

with a longitudinal axis pointing north-south

and moving very abruptly over the water, like a ping-pong ball.

The controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks,

coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet,

hanging out for hours, and then going straight back up,

for those who don't realize, above 80,000 feet of space.

We hadn't really thought about it.

Like, you'd have to see something that you trusted, on video or in person,

to really wrap your head around it.

And if you do, it might change the way you see the world.

And all of that leads us to today.

I'm being quite vulnerable.

This whole time, I have not gone public.

The only thing that I have done is ensure if I die, this story comes out.

And here's the kicker, Jeremy, is I don't trust the government so much

that I don't even want to go into witness protection.

I don't even want to fucking tell anybody.

One, because I don't know if I can even legally tell anybody.

And two, I don't trust them to not fuck me up more.

They've ruined my life.

They've ruined my friend's life.

They're in process of fucking with everybody else.

And we're just all fine with it.

No big deal.

Like, I...

This whole thing sucks, man.

It sucks.

I want to know what is happening with my life.

Like, I deserve to know that.

You do.

And I can't keep living like this.

Like, I got married a month before I went down there.

Right.

My entire marriage has been wrapped up with

this and my wife left her job over this shit

because I didn't want them going after her.

I'm tracking everything.

So at least be... Just be knowledgeable that somebody is tracking everything for you.

I also will make a promise to you.

that if I ever get pertinent information to your personal case or well-being,

I will immediately transmit that to you 100%.

No questions asked.

As a friend.

Okay.

I appreciate that.

I have one more favor to ask of you.

Anything.

If anything happens to me, please make sure...

Hold on.

What the fuck?

Please make sure my wife is taken care of.

Okay.

This fucking sucks.

This fucking sucks.

This really sucks.

The agreement is that you know everything.

Yeah.

Okay.

So you need to know this.

Okay.

So we'll talk tomorrow.

Okay, baby.

Okay. Love you, mama.

I love you.

I'll forget what you tell me anyway, but...

Everybody wants to catch me in pain on camera.

Don't want to go there.

All right.

Let's just start.

All right.

Such a funny story, man.

Like, you know, I like... Sorry.

It's a funny story.

Simple question.

I've been holding a secret for about 11 years.

There is a reason why I chose to believe you.

If you lied about everything, the problem is you were right.

So that's weird.

UFOs are real.

Did you see something?

Do you have something?

Right.

Okay, so let me be very careful with how I say it.

So, yes, obviously, military-filmed footage of UFOs beyond any question.

It's not a video of an alien.

It's not a video of one craft.

It's more than that.

Hours upon hours of military-filmed, unambiguous UAP.

Okay, so you had...

So the reason why I'm not telling you right now that I have those videos, if I said

I have them, right, then I would be immediately federally rated within seconds.

There also exists seven years of recorded conversations of consequence, thousands of hours of

people, witnesses, first-hand intelligence officers, threats I have received, coercion, entrapment.

And I have been working with, in person, Congress, Senate, Senate intelligence.

Are you sure you're making the right decision on this?

Well, I mean...

I thought about this, too, that, you know, maybe there's a good reason

they're keeping this secret and that everyone's agreed to keep it secret.

And, you know, what I've always, you know, pushed for is just at least make it known that

there is some other intelligence and some craft or whatever, something else going on.

And they've kind of admitted that, and at that point, that's where I wanted to stop.

They have admitted it, but they are threatening the life of a journalist.

And when I mean they, I don't mean just the United States.

But you keep pushing further and further.

I do, Bob.

I don't... I don't think that's a good idea.

For who?

I don't think it's a good idea for you, because of what's happening.

Understood. This is no longer about me.

I am protecting whistleblowers with first-hand knowledge like yourself.

I have to make a really hard decision because I've tried every other way to do it.

And here's the question I have for you.

As somebody with critical and important information about

UFOs, that they are real, and I can prove a lot more than that,

should I expose corruption and crime relating to the withholding of this truth from

the American public and about the nature of UAPs if it doesn't harm national security?

Yes.

Say it again?

Yes.

Okay.

People will go to jail for this.

Meaning, people within agencies, very powerful people, will go to jail.

Should I do it?

Yes.

Yes.

And the reason I say yes is, like, nothing is above the law, dude.

These threats, I think if I'm being honest, it

means that everything I'm doing is not in vain.

There is a private corporation, and that corporation

wants to protect its assets, meaning visual, intellectual.

Oh, I have a delivery of atropine coming to me tomorrow, and it

is a remedy to a nerve agent, because this threat was so specific.

The fact I know is either a testament to the excellent sources I

have, or people are overcautious, or I'm getting fucking played.

It is so alarming to me, what has happened to some of the whistleblowers.

It is not my story to tell, but I am fucking following it.

Out of two people, there was one allegedly willing to testify to their direct, first-hand involvement in reverse-engineering

a UFO for a private corporation within and under an intelligence agency for the United States government.

Actively owned the legacy program, and that person is dead.

It is of high concern to us that their autopsy and investigation

be done from a third-party outside intelligence agency.

I mean, there's co-workers and friends of mine that worked on that program for years. They were not hazed. They were not

tricked. They literally worked on the material and the specimens and all that, and that was kind of common knowledge.

People mysteriously vanished from the program, never to be seen again. Everybody's

supposed to have due process, regardless of accusations of treason or what have you.

There's a couple of core secrets the United States

has, where they are willing to commit those deeds.

That's not the America I thought I grew up in.

That's not the America I thought I was serving.

You know, even though I was a little disillusioned when

I was in Afghanistan and I saw what we were doing there.

But, you know, I still believed in, you know,

America doing the right thing at the end of the day.

I don't know what UFOs are. I don't know what they represent to humanity.

Ask your priest. Ask a scientist.

I'm a tattooed, bearded, accidental journalist that has a great mentor.

I'm not qualified to answer your question.

Abby, Abby. Stay. Stay.

Yeah. Hi, baby.

I love you. I love you.

You want a beer? Yes.

They're not going to come after you, not only you.

They're going to come after your dad.

Oh, my God.

Am I having a good day, Michael?

It's a hard moment.

I know.

It's just really... I'm trying to keep it together.

I'm scared to death. You know, there have been threats on his life.

My lady's doing great. My pups are doing great. Everybody's doing great.

I'm not.

So let's talk about it.

I'm petrified.

Don't be. Don't be.

I can't just turn it off because I'm out of switch.

I mean, the CIA and the FBI, it seems like there isn't a lot of communication

and the CIA is more interested in protecting government secrets.

And the FBI is saying, yeah, well, we can protect you from the CIA or whatever.

And also these independent contractors that work for the CIA.

Things have been, different times in my life, very clear and defined. And at this

point in my life, it feels like the fucking Twilight Zone, except everything is real.

If you really have stuff that is that sensitive that you cannot release, and you're

relying on your connection as a journalist, they're going to throw you to the dogs.

He's been told by a bunch of officials in the

government that he needs to get a conceal and carry.

That he has ordered this antidote for neurotoxins.

They told him, don't go into any parking

garages, because that's another favorite place.

Don't be alone. Don't drive alone. Don't be alone.

Don't drive alone, baby. I love you.

What? I don't know what to do. I don't know.

Do not show this, man.

No, I don't want to take a few minutes. I'm sick, I'm not feeling good.

And there's a lot about to happen.

Okay, so, your question was...

I'm sad for people, man.

People fucking cry to me, dude.

Take care of my wife.

So, I could prove UFOs are real.

Probably go to jail for it.

But I could prove it.

I am just trying to report in America.

I should not be threatened by our intelligence agencies.

I should not be threatened by corporations.

And I should not be threatened by individuals.

Problem is that I have received threats from all of the above.

Direct threats, bro.

So, if I got a problem... Can you imagine people that,

like, sign shit that says, your life will be done?

You know?

It's like... I don't know, man.

I have never worked for the government.

And I have signed no NDAs.

This UFO thing?

It's wild fucking west for me.

I don't regret ever opening my fucking mouth.

Here's the deal, man.

If I tell you my secret, you would know why I knew Bob Lazar was telling the truth.

You would then know why I decided it was important to verify that.

To bullet test it.

You would know what motivated me.

You would know who motivated me.

Do you want me to just tell you?

Do you want to know the secret?

I didn't know if Bob Lazar was telling the truth or not.

And so, over the course of ten years, I asked somebody over

and over and over again, not about Lazar, just about the topic.

And over and over and over, that person told me nothing to see here and move on.

And this man is the most respected, revered,

and highest-ranking military individual I know.

Very carefully. Gingerly.

What is your opinion on crap that have no sound, that are

a mile wide, that are picked up on radar and sit there?

Are those ours? No, those are not ours.

Somebody who would know.

Okay, so maybe it started like that.

I don't know if I should tell this story, Michael.

I don't think people should hear this, man.

You realize there's a thousand people who could tell you what's up.

You realize this is not on me.

I'm going to tell you part of it.

There's somebody I really respect.

Somebody in a position to know.

Somebody that loves me.

As a human being at that time.

Loves me as a human being.

And I said...

I need to know...

if this is true.

I'm about to spend...

all of my effort...

all of it... on this.

This one question.

Is Lazar telling the truth or not?

Lazar's story is, by any standards, fantastic.

He says he's telling it in order to protect himself.

John!

Bob, this is George. How you doing?

Oh my God!

Happy birthday to you!

I was going to embed myself into his life.

Have you been there?

You know that place.

Am I wasting my time?

Because you've told me for years not to waste my time on certain things.

Dude goes into a wood shop.

Spends like three fucking hours angry at some wood.

comes out.

Why wouldn't he be telling the truth?

That's the start of it.

Why wouldn't he be telling the truth?

Oh, he?

Oh, you're talking about somebody now.

Okay.

Have you been there?

I've flown out of there.

Okay.

Is there a place exactly like that?

You know what?

Why wouldn't it be?

I went angry.

Conflicted.

Inside.

Personally.

Should I hunt this?

With all of my might.

End of the day, let's just say,

I dedicated my life to it.

And not blindly.

And that is what started me.

To try to find that truth.

And I found it.

Unambiguously, I found it.

When I get up high on the food chain.

of people that ran the legacy UFO program.

And I push them and I push them and I push

them and they won't break their fucking oath.

And I push them to the point

where something's gonna break.

Every single fucking time.

They'll say something to me like,

Don't kick a sleeping dog.

I guess I gotta put my money where my mouth is now.

You know?

Make a choice.

I don't know what to do, man.

Is it worth it?

To who?

Jeremy is so honest and so protective of everybody he talks to.

He doesn't talk to anybody about what he has except George.

So, where are we?

Um...

I actually do get nervous just thinking about it.

You've seen it all too.

Um...

We've never seen that kind of thing out in the world.

It's overwhelming the amount of footage that we've obtained.

Somebody from the New York Times said,

You guys are in a pickle.

Because at this point it is a national security issue.

There could be repercussions for journalists.

Um... I think where we're at is, I don't know what to do.

I can't even count the number of death threats I've had over 40 years.

I don't... I don't... I laugh at them when I get them now.

You know?

I figure, A, if they really are gonna try to kill you,

they're not gonna call you up and warn you.

Right.

I think anybody that has had that intense depth of experience I was having

would have felt and maybe acted the way that I did,

which is very self-protection mode, my wife and me.

Yeah.

I mean, look, she was getting death threats.

Yeah.

You know?

Your wife and your mom and all that stuff.

Yeah.

That's... That's really... That's over the edge.

Fuck them with that stuff.

Exactly.

Yeah.

The first 10 years that I was doing this,

I'm going through the same stuff that you're going through now.

Bouncing off the walls.

Up and down.

Peaks and valleys.

Scared shitless.

Worried about what comes next.

And then I just decided to let it go.

I mean, are they gonna kill me?

I'm now at an age where I said,

well, if you're gonna kill me, fuck you.

What's the difference?

I've lived a long time.

I remember the first time I realized they were tapping my phones.

I was astonished.

You know, stunned.

How the hell could this happen in a newsroom,

in a TV station in Las Vegas,

that somebody's listening to my phone

and then visits people and intimidates them and tells them to shut the hell up?

How could that happen in America?

There's no damn way they had a warrant for those taps.

They just did it.

To see who else was coming in to give us information.

And like I said, people outside of our world on this topic

would not believe that's real.

But it is real.

You can't let them get to you.

You cannot let them get to you.

Because they'll wear you down.

And it's just, you know, my gesture that I've shared

with you before, when things are going really bad,

and there's been periods of real bad ups and downs.

Is that the best you got?

Yeah.

Bring it. What do you got?

Yeah.

It's the biggest question in human history,

other than maybe what happens after we die?

You know, is there something that goes on?

It's the biggest.

Are we alone in the universe?

Is there another intelligence out there?

If so, has it visited?

You know, that's big stuff.

That's world-changing stuff.

If we just put out everything that we trusted has ever come to us,

it would represent one of the largest leaks in American history.

The journalist's ethical imperative is get the story, get it right,

and tell it no matter who it helps or who it hurts.

And I've always tried to live up to that.

And you and I have had these conversations before about how far we should go.

The reality of it is, while we can try to live up to the journalist's

ethical imperative, the third part, tell it no matter who it helps

or who it hurts, is not realistic with this topic.

Because, you know, as we've talked before,

and I've shared with you from the beginning,

is you've got to sometimes protect sources even from themselves.

We were going to bring our best evidence ever.

That's what they asked for.

They wanted to bring us into a skiff so we could show them

what we would play under protection at Congress,

the best visual evidence we have of UAP.

And I thought, great, we're under protection.

This is to the American public.

This is the way it should be.

There we go. Let's do it.

Our lawyer suggested we don't go in that skiff,

because the second we do, we can no longer be journalists and report on it.

It could instantaneously be classified or

something like that so that we can't report on it.

The public's always telling us, I don't want to see grainy images

from some thermal sensor. I want to see the good stuff.

It exists. It's out there.

I don't think they're ever going to willingly release that stuff to the public.

So if it's going to come out, it's going to have to come out through people like us.

There's a gigantic segment of the population that

still is not tuned into it, not paying attention.

They might see a news piece here or there on

a program, but they're living their lives.

They're raising their families, paying the bills.

They're worried about what's happening to our country and what comes next.

Does it help to drop everything all at once?

You know, but I think that's dangerous

because there's the unknowns of how we could be damaging.

national security or something like that.

What's something we can put out that will be safe for national security?

Well, there's one particular image.

I know this is not a mistake.

I know it's the right thing.

I'm just a little bit, you know, terrified to begin that process.

Yeah.

Welcome to life.

We're alive.

It's exciting.

Yeah.

That's fun.

Yeah, it is.

It is.

It is.

Okay.

Fear and fun.

Yeah.

I guess it's time.

We'll do our best, slow and steady,

and put out what we feel is appropriate and good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Whew.

So, we actually just made a decision right there.

Like, we're gonna do it.

So, Steph, we have to be careful.

Oh, fuck.

Fuck.

The first one will be interesting because, you know, if this was an...

Even though the information and the data and the visuals are real,

like, it could just have been a setup to be able to stop our reporting moving forward.

We'll know because we'll get pressure and it will not be...

It probably will not be public.

You know, boy, when you start releasing this, even if you get away initially,

somebody's not gonna like it.

And they're concerned they're just not gonna sit back

and let you guys slowly keep releasing information if they don't want it out there.

It's a dangerous game you're playing.

Yeah.

I don't have a choice.

I am doing this because George Knapp told me the first rule of journalism.

You protect sources or witnesses with your

life, even if they don't protect themselves.

And I took that to heart.

So now, I do not have a choice.

You're right on the edge, Jeremy.

I love you.

I don't want to see anything happen to you.

What's the purpose, Dave? Why are we doing this?

Well, I mean, I've already crossed the Rubicon.

You know, I'm not gonna stop until the mission's

done or I'm non-mission capable, as we say.

But these people want to push back at me like that?

Well, great. I'm not intimidated.

They know what they have to do to shut me up.

So, bring it.

I think I'm like you.

And, you know, it's like, fucking bring it or get the fuck out the way.

There's a whole part of reality that the federal government,

its private partners and other nations around the world

and participation thereof for the last several decades.

And I'm of the generation that has seen our parents

and older siblings and friends go to war for what?

And I think it's time for a new era to begin,

especially because, you know, we're not alone.

And this universe is teeming with life and that life is already here.

And, you know, we could openly interact with it.

Here's a little bit of a closer look. This is a freeze frame.

This is with some boosted contrast of what appears

to be a disc-shaped object captured back in 2020,

possibly somewhere over Afghanistan, Pakistan, the border there.

This was filmed by some sort of asset, DoD asset and

forward-looking infrared shot from above looking down.

Jeremy Corbell, he joins us on set. Jeremy, good to see you. Welcome back.

Good to see you, man.

Alright, so getting into this, navigating through the clouds.

Like, I hate to even bring this up, but that sounds

a lot like Jordan Peele wrote it in NOPE, right?

That's what we saw a little bit in NOPE.

What's going on here? What are we looking at?

Yeah, so for a couple years of investigating this footage,

right, making sure it's authentic, where it came from,

what we're seeing here that's different than ever before.

You know that I've obtained and released with George Knapp thermal videos of UAP.

Now, our government has admitted some of what we've put out.

They've admitted their UAP.

I'll tell you this. I'm not saying it. That was in the original footage.

It says UAP navigating through clouds.

They called it a disk. I'm not even calling it a disk.

But what you're seeing is first shape.

I have never seen in all UFO history, when it

comes out of military, an actual circular form.

That was amazing to me.

The second is the movement.

When you see it make an abrupt turn from your

left to your right when you're watching it.

And the third thing that really was astonishing to me.

This isn't thermal. There is no heat signature of traditional propulsion.

Is there a chance that this is just a, I don't know, a balloon?

Our military doesn't think so. Our military called it a disk.

Our intelligence community has been at this since 2020.

Now, look, when assets like this get out to journalists like me and George, you know,

we're not experts at this, but we know and can report that our military calls us UAP,

like every piece of footage we've put out.

You have become the conduit for so many of these videos here.

This is the tip of the iceberg, what you're seeing here.

George Knapp and I are committed to reporting on our best evidence.

No, that means that you got more.

That means that there's other stuff. I know you well enough to...

I hope that the world gets to see more, better, diverse footage.

I am not in absolute control of how the world receives things, but as a journalist,

I am going to fight to get as much out as humanly possible.

Got it. And real quick, what's the update on Capitol Hill?

There will be more hearings. If they have courage, there will be more hearings.

And I have three first-hand witnesses that they can put up to testify.

We're looking forward to witnesses. We're looking forward to more evidence.

Jeremy Corbell, so good to see you.

Fascinating topic, isn't it? Yeah.

Always a fascinating topic.

I've come to realize that everything I did, every single thing I did,

prepared me for exactly where we are right now, today.

I would like to see him have a more normal life.

Is there a part of you that wishes Jeremy had chosen a safer path, outside of UFOs?

No.

I wouldn't, because for various reasons about who he is, he needs to do this.

The conversation will be different one day.

I just don't know how long that takes.

This nightmare coming back, I am genuinely

starting to get concerned that it is coming for me.

Please make sure my wife is taken care of.

My name is Dylan Portland, a former 1N1 Geospatial

Intelligence Specialist for the United States Air Force

and an active duty enlisted capacity from 2010 to 2013.

I came forward out of concern for people's lives and to ensure I did everything I could to let

our elected representatives know the truth about what is really happening in the executive branch.

Each day, victims of crimes committed by agencies and companies maintaining

this secrecy are denied justice is another day our constitution is shredded.

In 2023, Patriots provided this committee and the executive branch with

undeniable proof of the UAP reality, and I commend your continued commitment.

It was proposed and we accepted that we would study all aspects of the phenomena.

And by the phenomena, I mean UFOs.

EIA and Congress monitored the funds at all times.

Was that part of OSAP, where you go knocking on doors to see,

hey, have you guys got crash flying saucers somewhere?

Yes.

If it's not Russian, it's not ours, it's not Chinese.

It's, it's somebody else.

Now, you know, at that point, even OSAP stopped.

You look into UFOs, you encounter the paranormal.

You can, you can decide to ignore it.

It's not going to ignore you.

We simply confirmed what people have reported over the years.

And it's occurring and it's accepted.

I have been approached by CIA to be paid money to shut up.

I've been approached by FBI for money to give up sources,

all of which I have declined and is well documented

and is with my lawyer, who is Chuck McCullough.

We also welcome the Honorable Charles McCullough,

Inspector General of the Intelligence Community

at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

Look, Jeremy, you are a journalist, but this is a very serious situation.

You're not in a skiff. You're not, you're not protected on some base somewhere.

You need to be very careful.

I'm being careful as I can.

It's every single piece of armament that I could put together over the last 11 years

that I'm ready to present in a very controlled and slow way.

I would imagine over the next couple years,

if I can start with one piece of information

and give people education and slowly bring

people forward without being fucked with, harmed.

But I do need to be protected.

My lawyer, Chuck McCullough said for me,

my biggest fear for you right now is being taken into custody for 24 hours

and to not be ever the same after.

And it would have to be under false charges.

So now, I want to be very fucking clear with you, Bob.

I have committed zero crimes that Commander David Fravor now knows.

And he told me, you need to do it.

I want you to keep using the processes we talked about.

Your methodologies are exceptional.

I want you to keep doing what you're doing.

You need to keep vetting these people that are coming to you, right?

Yeah, thank you. I will. Same process.

You need to be extraordinarily careful. Keep the vetting going.

That looks like what it's made out of.

There's going to be an enormous amount of interest in what you're doing here.

Yeah, there is, yeah.

So you and I need to get together and have

a substantive conversation about this, okay?

I need to do that now.

It's really sad that the powers that be, for some reason, have decided

that you are not allowed to know the nature of an aspect of reality.

And that has happened. That has happened.

And that's unfortunate.

The excuse on their end, you know, people that

are getting high up on the food chain here,

their excuse about the cover-up about this, or what they tell me

and George, you know, is that they don't want to uncover this.

And that is frustrating, because it's like they're scared of something.

I'll tell you this, is that all the encounters that I hear about that I

believe, like the ones, you know, from military people who are not public,

things that have been documented by our government, these visitors

can essentially get you to see anything they want you to see.

So that's a problem.

If you look at stories, and then you look at documentation,

and you look at just what people have reported,

all the way back to when we're barely making

boats, you bring that all the way through time.

There is a consistency.

Where does this start for you?

When you look up to the stars, or you wonder what that

means, that every single spot of light you see is a sun,

likely with orbiting planets in the Goldilocks zone.

Where this starts is, you have this intuition.

It doesn't matter who lies to you about it.

Like, do you realize, in your own personal experience, that something's up?

Maybe you've had experiences.

You can't explain.

Not like seeing an alien, seeing a UFO.

I'm talking about like, simple things.

Feelings.

Hunches.

Like, it's okay not to have the answers.

It's not okay to fucking hide the answers.

Be vocal.

Talk about it.

Discuss it.

That's where all this starts for everybody.

Don't hide from it.

This UFO thing is just a fucking symbol, man.

It's a reminder.

Maybe that's all it is.

Maybe it's just there to remind you.

To make you guess.

To make you wonder.

Maybe that's what it's about.

I don't know.

I don't know.

But, um... Stop telling yourself lies.

Other people are better at it.

Life is strange.

So am I.

I'll be strange till the day that I die.

Life is sad.

Life is sad.

So will you.

That's alright.

We can cry if you want to.

Let's drink.

Here's two words.

Take a cup.

Go on, fill it up.

But you said you really don't drink anymore.

And we all turn into dust.

And I'll stay forever right here if you want me to.

Life is strange.

Life is strange.

Tell me why.

Feel alone when I stare at the sky.

I'm unworthy.

So are you.

Life is strange.

So I do what I do.

Sing the old song.

Make me cry.

I will stay till the day that I die.

I'm unworthy.

So are you.

Life is strange.

I want you.