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The most common mistake that writers
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make, especially young writers, is they
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don't do an outline.
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Uh they just wing it and they just
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start, you know, and and it that takes a
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certain amount of discipline, but I
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guarantee you that is a discipline that
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will pay off in
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you're you're you're going to have
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you're going to do a better book. It's
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going to take less time. You know, I
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will I will write anywhere from three to
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six drafts of every outline. It's and
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that's the most important piece for me.
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Literally writing that outline.
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Everything should be in the outline. The
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the the arcs of the characters, the the
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main characters anyway, the the
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villains, if they're villains, got to be
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in there. And and and the villains need
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to be complex. They cannot be
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simple-minded villains. I really want to
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build it around that the nugget of the
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idea. I want to put in as much
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really juicy stuff as I can. And that if
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I read that outline or anybody read the
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that outline, they would say, "What a
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terrific story
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and and how well you figured out these
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scenes." The outline should have tons of
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promise. you should be going, I can't
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wait to read this scene or I can't wait
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to write this scene because it's such a
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rich idea for a scene. Uh the drama
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between these characters is just, you
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know, it's it's just so delicious to to
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sink my my pencil into, sink my teeth
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into, sink my typewriter into, sink my
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computer into, whatever you're sinking.
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Um, so I mean, and that's that's one of
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the beauties of I mean, some days you I
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can't wait to write these next two or
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three chapters just because they're the
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the potential is so great.
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The only time I ever face the the blank
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page is when I start the outline. And I
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don't find that that daunting because
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when you write an outline, you're not
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even thinking about sentences. You're
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thinking about laying the story. And
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that, by the way, is is another tip. Uh
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when you're writing a story, don't think
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about the sentences. Think about the
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story. Write the story down. We all know
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how to tell stories. We tell stories all
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the time. You You already know how to do
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it. Write the story. Don't write
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sentences. Write the story.
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what I do in terms of turning uh you
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know once I get that that idea that I
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love or you get that idea that you love
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I'll then just start writing scenes down
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just one line two lines you know Alice
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Cross starts in his house he's playing
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the piano he's playing Gershwin he gets
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a phone call from Samson
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something
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um fresh and exciting that grabs you so
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you want to go with cross into the next
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scene, but I'll just keep writing out
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scene after scene almost as though it's
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a movie. And um at a certain point, I
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will organize those scenes.
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Uh now, the thing about scenes is when
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you're writing a story, I'm going to say
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there are an infinite number of
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possibilities for scenes. There aren't
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an infinite number, but there are an
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awful lot of potential scenes. So, um
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and you have to be aware of that. And
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ultimately you have to choose the best
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scenes. But but it starts with just
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scene after scene after scene. Now in my
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books obviously there are a lot of
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scenes. There might be 120 different
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chapters or whatever. Your book might
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have 30. It might just be 30 scenes.
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Whatever the heck it is. But but just
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keep writing out that those couple of
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lines. Eventually I'll start getting rid
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of ones and I'll keep adding them. And I
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might do that for a couple of weeks just
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writing scenes down possible scenes. Um,
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at a certain point I, as I said, I will
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put them in an order and then, um, I
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start fleshing them out a little, not a
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lot. I mean, every once in a while I'll
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I'll do one in a week and a half, but
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more often they'll take me a month or
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two months, and there'll be three, four,
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five drafts. And every draft, just like
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I was writing a novel, I'm layering on
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more.
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One of the questions that people will
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ask has to do with how how how does the
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mystery move forward? Do you do you blow
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it all early? Do you blow it in pieces?
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Do you
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um and and and I think that really comes
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down to your to your gut and how you're
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going to and and and that needs to get
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established real early in terms of your
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outline and stuff. If you're going to
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reveal a lot of the mystery early, you
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have to have a reason to do it and it's
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got to be able to go somewhere from
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there. I mean, that's one of the tricks.
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Don't don't write yourself into a
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corner. Uh, and that really is
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important. You really have to be
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careful. And that's the beauty once
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again of being able to look at it in
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outline form. You can see where, oh my
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god, where am I going to go from here?
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There will be a couple of time, you
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know, maybe once or twice when I write
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the outline where literally all I do is
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write twists. It went here. Eh, I'm
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going to take it here. Okay. It went
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here. Too expected. I'm going to take it
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here. And what does that do to the whole
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story? Okay. And sometimes a twist, I
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mean, it changes everything, but better
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to do that at the outline stage than 80
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pages into the book. You're not gonna
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wake up six months into the process and
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go, "Oh [ __ ] man. I wrote myself into a
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terrible corner. I'm dead. I got to
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throw out six months worth of work."
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When you read about writers all the
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time, and and it happens occasionally,
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but it shouldn't happen much, especially
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with commercial fiction. You should not
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have to throw out
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six months worth of work. And and it and
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it happens and or it's not working. Oh
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my god, it's not working. Well, if you
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spent more time with the outline, even
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if it's an extra month, so what?
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When I do the outlines and even even the
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manuscripts, I will put notes to myself
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all the time or if if I'm writing with
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somebody, notes to the coowwriter. Uh
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things that I think are essential to
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make that scene work. If we don't get
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that if I don't get that part right or
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if we don't get that part right, the
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scene isn't going to work.
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I will not write
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a note like, you know, with with Max in
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the beginning of Maximum, right? I'm not
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going to write things like she needs to
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be cool and mysterious because it
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doesn't that doesn't help me. Uh what
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does cool mean? And that just that's
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just a cliche that doesn't get me
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anywhere. So, I might write a little
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note that gives me an idea
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about
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why she's cool. some something that that
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she's going to do or some observation
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that she's going to have that it's just
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a cool observation. Uh so I might write
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a little note about that and sometimes
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I'll just put that note to myself, you
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know, that this needs to be scary or
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it's not going to work. Not going to
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work or or that I need to feel
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more than more than I have in the whole
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book the relationship between these two
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people in this chapter or none of it's
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going to work. you know, we've been
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building to things and and along the
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way, you know, and that should all be
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70% of it, 80% of it should be in the
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outline then, you know, and it's not
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mechanical because that's creative. That
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is that is a book. It is a book called
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an outline. And if that book is great,
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you ought to be able to sell your
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outline to a publisher if it's if it's
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done the way it should be done.
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One way to break down your outline is
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what happens to that character through
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the length of the story. What happens to
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this character through the length of the
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story? What happens to this character?
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And are those plot lines interesting? Am
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I interested not just in, okay, they're
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going to find out who's killing old
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women in San Francisco. Not just that,
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but why am I interested in that person
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in addition to the fact that he or she
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is solving this crime? What happens to
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them? In the Women's Murder Club novels,
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uh, invariably there are two or three
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crimes being dealt with in every in
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every novel. So, there are three crimes
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to follow and hopefully they're all
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fascinating and different and things you
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haven't read about before.
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Um, and and and then we have the the the
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four uh main characters and what's
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happening in their lives. So, what's
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happening with Lindsay? Oh, Lindsay's
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going to have a baby. Holy [ __ ] You
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know, after all these years, uh or or
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you know, uh uh Yuki is still
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a lunatic and and unable to get out of
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her own way in a lot of ways. So, so
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that's a continuing and and and you want
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those characters to to change and you
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want conflict to come into how they're
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handling life as well.
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You should be able to read the outline
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and and and just go, I I get this book.
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I I see how it flows. I understand why
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these characters are going to be
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interesting to me. Um I I I feel the
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twists. Uh, and then you know as you
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write it, it hopefully it gets even
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better.
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This is the enemy, the blank page.
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This is the Oh my god. And you you
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always you'll see this so so often in
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the movies. Uh, and this and I think a
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lot of screenwriters are frustrated
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novelists and and you've seen this 50
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times in the movies and it that
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shouldn't happen. That just that just to
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me bad writing where they write the
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first line and then they cross it out
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and they write the first line again and
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they cross it out and they write the
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first line again, you know, and I I've
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seen that literally a dozen times. But
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it is there is a reality to it which is
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that blank page is is is troubling.
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Every author has a a different approach
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or many authors have a different
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approach, but uh uh I really recommend
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just crash through freight train through
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that first draft. Get that story down.
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Apparently, I guess Raymond Chandler had
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that process. I have that process. A lot
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of writers have that process. Get it
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down. I've seen writers who can write
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that first draft in a month. um I can do
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the first draft in a month. At certain
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times it's just flowing. Uh and I'm not
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sure I don't know if it's health
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related. I have no idea why, but
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sometimes it's just flowing and it's
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working and I can't write enough and I'm
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amazed at how much I do in a very short
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uh period of time. And then there are
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times when I'll sit there and I'll write
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chapters and I'll go, it's all coming
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out flat for some reason. It's all
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coming out flat. and eventually
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something hits me and I go, "Okay." And
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I I'll go back and and polish the stuff
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and and suddenly raise the level. I I
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don't know why that happens, but it it
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it just seems to it's it's certainly
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part of my process. Don't have blocks.
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not getting it and I know I'll just put
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TBD and I get it on the next draft,
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which is a useful and smart thing to do.
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Do not torture yourself. just go, I'll
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get it. And be confident that you'll get
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it. That's how people get blocked. They
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they get to a point and it's like, oh my
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god, I can't get this chapter. I can't.
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and it's not coming. You get worried,
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you get nervous, you get panicked. It's
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sort of like these thing I guess that
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some couples go through and they can't
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get pregnant. You start pressing too
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hard and the mind starts getting tired
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and you know it doesn't work. It's like,
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you know, you're trying to do a sport
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and you get all tense. That's not going
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to work. You're going to strike out. So,
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so if you're not getting it, move on.
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Get it the next time. Get it the time
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after that. I mean, I've had times when
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I've gone through where that TBD would
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be on three or four chapters for a
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couple of drafts.
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I write seven days a week. I get up
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early in the morning. Um, I'll very
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quickly go through two or three p
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newspapers. Uh, have a cup of coffee and
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go and I'll go through those in 15
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minutes. you know, I have my little path
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through the newspapers in terms of, you
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know, the things that I always, you
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know, want to read about. Uh, and then I
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start writing uh whether it's outlining
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or whatever, you know, book I might be
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working on. Pencil, I write in pencil. I
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do not write at the computer. I'm not
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suggesting that anybody do that. I write
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on a yellow legal pad. Um, I write on
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every other line. Um, I have an
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assistant who's now legally blind from
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trying to read my handwriting. Um, she
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will type up stuff, send it back to me.
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Once I get it typed up, it will be
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triple spaced. I write between the
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lines. When I'll do a draft, a second
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draft. When I when I write between the
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lines, and I only when I'm going over
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that draft, I only read what I just
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wrote. I assume that everything that I
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left there is just fine, which means
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that I can kind of do a second draft of
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that draft in no time. I um frequently
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then will go out, this is just my own
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nuttiness, and I admit this and this is
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just to show that I am a flawed
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character with dark secrets. Uh I will
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go out and walk a golf course for an
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hour, hour, 15 minutes, a lot of
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mornings. Uh it I have no thoughts about
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writing. I walk. I chase a little white
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ball. I curse the little white ball.
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Occasionally I praise the little white
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ball. Rarely. Uh I come back and I
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write. I'm refreshed. I've had a nice
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walk. It's good for my health. Um I
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write some more. I'll write until
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lunchtime. I
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six days a week I'll have lunch with my
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wife. I love my wife. I like being with
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my wife. Um I'll come back and write
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some more.
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And um I I pretty much do that every
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day.
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I have always been able to to I can sit
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here. I could stop what I'm doing here
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and just start writing. I've always been
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able to do that to just tune out the
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world. And I think part of that is
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because I just love it so much. And I
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I've always been able to to focus on
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what I'm doing in a in uh in a very
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powerful way. So, I you know, I don't
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know where you come from. I don't you
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know, you're going to have to figure
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that out. But, uh uh it's useful if you
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can write anywhere, you know, on a
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plane. You can just tone it out and and
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and focus and concentrate. And I guess
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there uh uh you just do what you can to
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try to practice that uh practice your
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your skills of concentration because
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it's not just a matter of being able to
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write anywhere. It's really what you're
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really honing there is your your ability
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to concentrate and um you know more and
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more now we have a world where you know
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people want to do two or three four
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things at a time and they'll actually do
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advertisements on television on oh isn't
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this great you can do two things at one
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time. I don't believe that. I don't
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believe people do two things well at one
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time. You certainly are not going to
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write uh well while doing something else
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in my opinion. So if you're writing and
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and playing with games or it's just not
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and and the more you do that the less I
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think it lessens your ability to
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concentrate. So whatever however you can
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do it uh and part of it is is is just
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being able to just you know in the
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middle anything be be able to write no
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matter where you are but but but I think
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the most important thing is is that
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you're learning how to concentrate
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better, how to focus better. You need to
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focus. You need to get in touch because
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when you're focusing and concentrating,
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you're actually getting farther and
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farther into your story. You're more in
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touch with it and you got to get into
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it. I think sometimes if if I do uh go
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through a period where where it's not
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happening, I think it's because my
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concentration is not working as well and
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I'm not in the scene. I'm not there. I'm
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not aware of who that character is or
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who those characters are, how they I'm
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just not into it. and and and that's
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just a matter of concentration and
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focus.
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I've said it before, I I for me, I I
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don't work for a living. I play for a
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living. So, you know, I'm writing seven
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days a week. I I love it. Uh so I I
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never, you know, want to be away from
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it. I don't, you know, I don't want to
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stop. But if you need a break, take a
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break. I mean, if you're feeling like,
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man, you're overloaded, take off for a
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week. Just don't do it. Do something
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else. Stop. Uh cuz it is important. If
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if you're getting a little neurotic
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about the thing, you just have to just
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turn it off. Put your mind somewhere
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else. Stop the the the neurosis
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uh uh from happening, the pressure,
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whatever you're doing to yourself. And I
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would just go to the movies. I And I
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would go to the movies, you know, almost
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every afternoon. Sometimes I'd see the
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same movie two or three times. Sometimes
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I would go watch a movie for an hour
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that I was kind of enjoying and leave
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just because I felt like I don't want to
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be here anymore. I want to go back and
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write. And sometimes I would go back and
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try to and and watch the second half
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like the next day. But if you're
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overloaded and it can happen and it
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probably will happen. Uh sometimes you
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just got to walk away for a little bit.
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Let's face it, I'm not writing War in
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Peace. I'm not writing Ulyses. Uh but
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you know I I I always try to do the best
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I can possibly do. When I used to be in
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advertising and I think this relates to
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a lot of jobs and I was you know running
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a big group and I would say look let's
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face it this is ridiculous. Okay we're
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writing commercials about Ford cars or
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or Burger King burgers or Toys R Us kids
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or whatever. And it's kind of a dopey
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thing to do. But I'll tell you what, if
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you make this little film and it's a
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really good film, at the end of the
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week, you're going to feel pretty good.
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If you condescend to it or don't give it
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your best, at the end of the week,
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you're going to feel like [ __ ] you
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know? Would you rather feel pretty good
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or you're going to rather feel crummy?
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If if you say pretty good, then then
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really give it everything you got. So,
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don't condescend to the genre. Uh uh
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because chances are, you know, most of
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the people watching are never going to
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be good enough to to to to do the genre.
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Uh you got you got to you got to aim for
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the stars with this stuff.
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Even if it isn't that good yet, it's
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okay. You're you're learning. You're
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you're putting in your 10,000 hours. Uh
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not that that's a magical number, but uh
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uh you're practicing. you're getting,
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you know, when I'll go to school school
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with, you know, little kids, sometimes
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I'll go, who likes soccer? Yay, we like
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soccer. You know, are you better now
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than 3 years ago? We're better now. Yay.
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How come? Because you play a lot. It's
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the same thing with with learning how to
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read. Same thing with writing. The more
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you do it up to a point, the better you
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get. You have to get to a certain level.
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And at when you get to that level, I
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think it becomes a very joyful
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experience. At least for me, it always
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was. And it's just it's a high. It's
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just a high. It it was a high when I was
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younger and it still is
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obviously with mystery and suspense.
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It's all about suspense. It's constant
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non-ending fireworks. It's an adventure
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that starts and and and and and it's
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going to hold you at the edge of your
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seat right to the end. It starts big. It
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gets even bigger. What happened? Who
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done it? And the more questions the
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better. If there are three or four
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questions in the book, are these two
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going to get together? Are they going to
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separate? Uh uh what's going to happen
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be in this family if you set up family
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turmoil? Are we going to find the
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missing child? Uh but it and it's got to
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be genuine. If it's just if it feels
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like uh just somebody throwing in
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devices
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like if you feel the manipulation, you
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lose them there, too. If the reader's
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going, "This is just crap. This is just
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the usual. somebody's um you know trying
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to manipulate me. They people kind of
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want to be manipulated but they want it
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done well.
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If you're going to write something in
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the genre of mystery, suspense, I think
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you kind of got to be aware of what's
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out there. Not to to to imitate it, to
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avoid it. Uh uh because I mean one of
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the things you can do, let's say you
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don't really write thrillers, but you
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know, I know I can do it because I'm
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smart and you know, whatever, but I
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never read any or I've read four. um
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there's a good chance you're going to
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write something that's already been
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written before, you know, or it's going
529
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to be very similar or it's going to, you
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know, and you're going to think it's
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great and, you know, 15 years ago it
532
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might have been great, but so I think
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it's really useful to know what's
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written and not not to write stuff like
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it to totally avoid it. Okay, I know
536
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what's h what's happened in the past.
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How what's a new twist on this? What's a
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new twist twist on a murder mystery or a
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uh a series of robberies or whatever it
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is that you decide is going to be
541
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fascinating for people to read about and
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uh and fresh and new and you're going to
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bring some insights to it and this is a
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new kind of puzzle. I mean, look, the Da
545
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Vinci Code, um, you know, all that, I
546
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mean, what what was fascinating about
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that was just the lengths that the
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writer went in terms of creating this
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unbelievably complex puzzle and and a
550
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lot of people just found that
551
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fascinating. And it definitely was
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unique. I mean, I I haven't read that
553
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kind of complexity in a puzzle that I
554
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can think of anyway or it's rare. So, so
555
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it felt very fresh to people.
556
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And one of the things with suspense is,
557
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in my opinion, one of the biggest
558
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secrets of suspense is is setting up
559
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questions that the reader must have
560
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answered. Must must must. There's just
561
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no way. And and in in my books, I try to
562
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do a lot of those. When I did the first
563
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Michael Bennett,
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Step on a Crack, I mean, you you start
565
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thinking about everything that's going
566
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on early in that book. Um, one, which I
567
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think is really a tremendous hook for a
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story. Um, there's one of these state
569
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funerals where all these leaders come
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from all over the place and they're in
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St. Patrick's Cathedral and somebody
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holds up the cathedral. That to me, I
573
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mean, imagine that happening in real
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life. I mean, that's like
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it makes OJ seem like a little baby
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tail. I mean, you're kidding me. The
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president, the vice president, uh,
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president of France, you know, they're
579
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all trapped in St. Patrick's Cathedral.
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So, that's a really cool hook to me. And
581
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then where's it going to go? Who's doing
582
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it? How do they plan to get away with
583
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it? So, that's a piece of it. Then we
584
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introduces Michael Bennett. Michael
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Bennett. And once again, I don't write
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realism, but it's an interesting and and
587
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I get away with it because I make
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Bennett so believable as a character.
589
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But Bennett has 10 adopted children.
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Holy [ __ ] And he's detective. And he's
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involved with this this uh takeover of
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St. Patrick Cathedral on that particular
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day. And his wife is dying. I mean, this
594
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is insane. And it's ridiculous. I mean,
595
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as I say it, it sounds ridiculous, but
596
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as a story, a certain kind of story, not
597
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realistic page turner that you're going
598
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to make believable. I mean, I'm all
599
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totally hooked into this thing. What's
600
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with the 10 kids? How can that happen?
601
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And I and I I like the kids. I like the
602
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way he reacts to the kids. And how does
603
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he find time in the course of these two
604
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or three days where they're holding all
605
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these captives to to stay in touch and
606
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and also stay in touch with his wife
607
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who's who's dying of cancer in in New
608
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York Hospital? And how do you make I
609
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mean I I think a lot of writing
610
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professors would go don't do it. Don't
611
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don't write that story. To me that was a
612
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tremendous challenge in terms of no I
613
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can do this. I can do this. I can turn
614
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this into a coherent
615
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kind of believable if you're willing to
616
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go along suspend disbelief because
617
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chapter by chapter I'm like okay okay
618
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okay okay I'm buying it. If I step back
619
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and tell you the whole story go oh my
620
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god you're I actually try to pull that
621
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off. Yeah. Yeah. I am.
622
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You have the whole issue of uh uh of
623
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stakes. What are the stakes in this
624
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thing? I mean, all of the good mystery
625
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writers are good at hooking you into
626
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that story, hooking you into that
627
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character, getting you interested right
628
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away, having you feel that you're in the
629
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scene with that character, and you love
630
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you love the way they're they're
631
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perceiving this room or or a bar or an
632
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alleyway or the tenement that they have
633
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to go up to to find somebody on the
634
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eighth floor, whatever. Um and and and
635
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,400
then once that hook is is set, it just
636
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,240
surprises the twists that keep
637
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happening. Cross My Heart and Hope to
638
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Die. We have the stakes of Alice Cross's
639
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family. The whole family goes missing.
640
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We think they're um they're dead. Alex
641
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:18,400
thinks they may be dead, but he's got a
642
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,760
tiny little bit of of of hope. And
643
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there's the stakes. And if he didn't
644
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,919
have a tiny bit of hope, um the stakes
645
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are, you know, there's no stakes
646
00:26:23,919 --> 00:26:28,159
anymore. He must have that. and and and
647
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the fact that it's just a sliver makes
648
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it even more delicious.
649
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So, anytime I'm feeling that I'm
650
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,320
lagging, I'm I'm building in another
651
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:42,880
even if it's a red herring or some
652
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:46,000
misdirection or cross goes down the
653
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,440
wrong path that creates some new
654
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,600
questions that the reader, oh my god,
655
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,200
well, how can that be? Well, that may or
656
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may not be accurate because as a
657
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,520
detective, he's he's going down some
658
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,200
blind alleys. But that blind alley might
659
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,240
really drive the reader crazy in terms
660
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,840
of oh my god, how can it be uh down that
661
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,080
alley because I I never I didn't see it
662
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,039
coming and I can't imagine how that's
663
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:10,320
going to lead to a solution. It's very
664
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:12,400
logical and and realistic for your
665
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,720
detective or protagonist or whatever to
666
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,799
go down wrong alleys. They do it. That's
667
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,559
what police work is all about. And
668
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:21,520
sometimes in going down those wrong
669
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:24,080
alleys, you create
670
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,679
um possibilities in the reader's mind
671
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,200
that really make the book a lot more
672
00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:29,520
interesting. I mean, you can chase the
673
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,919
wrong thing. And it's fascinating for
674
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,600
for for the reader because that
675
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:35,200
possibility hadn't really occurred to
676
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,480
them. And and and one of the things you
677
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:40,559
have to be very careful of is even when
678
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,799
you're taking them down a wrong path
679
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:44,320
that it's not one where they go, "Oh, I
680
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,080
get it figured out. I don't want to read
681
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:50,080
it. I don't need to read anymore."
682
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:52,480
That's death mostly. I got it figured
683
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,600
out.
684
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,600
Closed the book. Very unsatisfying.
685
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:03,679
We we get a series of questions or
686
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,279
sometimes just one or two questions that
687
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:08,159
that the reader must have answered or
688
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:10,559
the viewer must have answered. And
689
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:12,240
ideally, you don't you what you
690
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:15,440
definitely don't want to do is give away
691
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,320
the answer very quickly. You you you you
692
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,919
know the the worst thing in the world is
693
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,279
uh you build up this thing, build up
694
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:23,440
this thing, build up this thing, and
695
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:26,159
then you give it away in two paragraphs
696
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,000
and the reader goes, "What?" You know,
697
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:30,720
no, that needs to be a scene. That needs
698
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:34,880
to be a satisfying scene. That needs to
699
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:37,279
even if it's a pretty good um uh reveal,
700
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,840
you got to milk it. You need to milk it.
701
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:42,640
And if you can give away your secret in
702
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,000
pieces, even better. Here's the, you
703
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,600
know, I don't know what it is, but
704
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,279
there's the first clue, and there's
705
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,399
another clue, and there's another little
706
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:51,200
tidbit, and there's another little
707
00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:52,960
tidbit, and then voila. Now, the trick
708
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,799
with that is is you just have to be
709
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,240
careful and smart about that. You're not
710
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:59,520
giving away something where the reader
711
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,600
goes with 40 pages left, okay, I know
712
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,600
exactly where this is going and I don't
713
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,679
care. Sometimes when I'm when I'm
714
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,679
writing an outline or even even when I'm
715
00:29:05,679 --> 00:29:10,320
writing different drafts of the book,
716
00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:12,320
I'll write in twists. you know, it went
717
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,760
one way in that chapter. Okay, what if
718
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,320
it goes this way? And you always want to
719
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,480
be open. That's where you you come up
720
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,440
with cool stuff.
721
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,679
You you you keep thinking the
722
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,919
unthinkable, not necessarily writing the
723
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:27,200
unthinkable, but thinking it. And every
724
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:29,120
once in a while, one of those
725
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,360
unthinkable things you go, you know
726
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,159
what? I can do that and that would be
727
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:37,120
really cool and I can make it believable
728
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:38,720
and that will make for a really unusual
729
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,240
satisfying
730
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,600
uh story that people won't be able to
731
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,440
put down and that they'll talk about
732
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,480
after they finish it. And and one of the
733
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,480
things I've done at times is I'll do
734
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,679
stuff like one of the women's murder
735
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,440
club I I knocked her off. Uh and it was
736
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:55,919
like, "Oh, you're kidding. I don't
737
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,480
believe you did that. How could you kill
738
00:29:55,919 --> 00:30:01,679
her?" And you know how Jill, we love
739
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Jill. And I did it cuz it it wor that
740
00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:06,240
was the story. It had to happen there.
741
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,720
Uh two, I didn't like the character that
742
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:13,840
much. Um and three, I really wanted to
743
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,760
set up the notion with my readers that
744
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:20,240
don't assume that that that anyone is
745
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:23,919
safe. Don't assume anyone's safe. Alice
746
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:28,840
Cross is not safe. He pro he's probably
747
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:28,840
safe, but he might not be.
748
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:39,279
your ending is hugely important. Um
749
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:42,720
because and this is true in movies and
750
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:44,559
it's it's it's true in books. Um because
751
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,960
that's what they walk they walk out of
752
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:51,520
the theater either clapping and cheering
753
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:55,360
and feeling great and spreading the word
754
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,799
uh about the movie or or or out of their
755
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,279
apartments or whatever in terms of the
756
00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,799
book. Um and a lot of it has to do with
757
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:04,480
with with what you did at the ending,
758
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:06,559
how you pulled it all together. Uh the
759
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,399
surprise at the end, the the surprise
760
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:09,919
that that that that fits that's
761
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:13,520
appropriate.
762
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:16,000
Um, so you really have to make sure that
763
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,440
it's that it is satisfying. Uh, or
764
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960
you're going to disappoint people and
765
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,039
you'll you won't get that good word of
766
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,520
mouth. Uh, you might not get published
767
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:26,880
because there's no ending. It's not just
768
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:29,440
you, it's you and a reader. And I want
769
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,880
you to always think about that because
770
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,880
when when there's a when there's a
771
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,200
reader in the process, it's a different
772
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:39,120
thing. the reader sitting across from
773
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,480
you and um and and you're playing this
774
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,720
game. You're playing this cat and mouse
775
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,640
game with that reader and and and the
776
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,159
other important thing about that reader
777
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,519
is you have to go for the highest common
778
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:52,720
denominator. I if you're going to write
779
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:54,720
a bestseller, there has to be common
780
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,880
denominator. It's got to work for a lot
781
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,320
of people, but you want to write for the
782
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:02,480
highest common denominator. That's uh
783
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,960
it's a really good thriller reader. It's
784
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,880
a really good mystery reader because you
785
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,159
have to satisfy that person. If you
786
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:12,039
satisfy that person, you're going to
787
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:12,039
satisfy everybody else.
788
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:19,519
It is rare. Uh, you know, I'll do the
789
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,600
outlines and I'm preaching outline,
790
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:25,600
outline, outline. I almost never uh do
791
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,919
the ending that's in the outline. I
792
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,679
would well at least more than 50% of the
793
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:31,679
time it's a different ending because
794
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:33,360
just in writing the book so much has
795
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:35,120
changed. So many things have happened.
796
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,399
The stakes get bigger and bigger and
797
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:41,120
bigger. Um the villain gets more
798
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:43,039
interesting. Um something may have
799
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:45,039
happened to the hero along the line that
800
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:48,640
was a little unexpected.
801
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:50,960
Um, and and I I it's the ending that I
802
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,600
write in the outline is never and I
803
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,360
think part of
804
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,880
I I think part of the problem is is the
805
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,360
outline is is a bit more logical than
806
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,360
emotional and and by the time I get to
807
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,279
that ending, my emotions are really
808
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,360
churning and I'm always feeling it just
809
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:10,000
needs more. It needs more than this. It
810
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,240
it just can't be about logic. It it has
811
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,960
to be logic and emotion. You got to feel
812
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,640
something in most cases. Certainly in
813
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,960
commercial fiction, you should feel
814
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:22,000
something. You should, you know, and
815
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,960
whether it's a a tragic ending, uh, in
816
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,360
which you go, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no,
817
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,480
no, no, no, no." That can be incredibly
818
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,799
effective and appropriate. Uh, I can't
819
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,399
believe, oh my god, I I got to tell
820
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:37,120
people, "Oh, Jesus." You know, that's
821
00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:39,919
that's good. That's a good thing. Happy
822
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,880
ending. Once again, that can be terrific
823
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:44,799
if if it's honest. uh you know where
824
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,880
where that reader or or or the person in
825
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:50,480
the movie is going, "Oh [ __ ] man.
826
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:54,360
That's oh yeah, baby." You know, that's
827
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,360
good. That's a good thing.
828
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,519
The ending should be really satisfying,
829
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:03,039
surprising, whatever. But it's got to
830
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:04,880
it's needs to be appropriate. It's got
831
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:07,600
to flow out of the out of the rest of
832
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,040
the book. Set up things that are coming.
833
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,760
Okay? All through the book, you're going
834
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,240
to be, you know, something's coming. You
835
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,879
need to set it up a lot of times for it
836
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:19,520
to really be effective. You know, in
837
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:21,440
Honeymoon, the second chapter had to be
838
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,639
set up by the first chapter. Meaning
839
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:27,040
that if I hadn't seen that couple and
840
00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:31,359
really loved them together, it would not
841
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:33,839
be terrific to have her show up at this
842
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:36,480
next house. Honey, I'm home. Okay. So
843
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:39,200
that chapter set up the the the the
844
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:42,159
second chapter in the book. You can be
845
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,839
12 chapters ahead and and beginning to
846
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,359
set up something that you know is going
847
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:47,440
to happen at the end of part one. And
848
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:49,359
you should do that. That's going to make
849
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,480
it, you know, you might be setting it up
850
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:56,079
a couple times. And even in terms of
851
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,800
your ending, uh uh you can be you can be
852
00:34:56,079 --> 00:35:02,079
setting that up. Now, the trick with
853
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,280
with with setting things up is do not
854
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:07,040
give away clues and hints where the
855
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,079
right then the reader reads it and goes,
856
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:14,320
"Oh, okay. I know who it is." That is a
857
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:17,520
disaster. That is endgame. That is total
858
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:21,760
dissatisfaction with the novel and and
859
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:23,680
uh uh uh and and and the ending. So the
860
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,119
trick is how do you set it up without
861
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,640
giving it away or and misleading them.
862
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,680
That's that's another one of the things
863
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,520
you want to be doing. Mislead them. Have
864
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,680
them think it's going this way. Now the
865
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,359
here's the trick with misleading. You
866
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,839
cannot mislead to the point where they
867
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:42,320
go, I got it figured out and I hate it.
868
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:44,160
Okay? You're misleading them. But if in
869
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,200
misleading them they think they figured
870
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:50,400
it out and they go, "This sucks." That's
871
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:53,680
no good. That's no good. So, so much of
872
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:57,119
it is just you being really aware of
873
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,960
what you're doing. Um,
874
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:02,000
uh, and what the effect of that's going
875
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,480
to be on another person. Okay? You're
876
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,079
you're, as I've said, I like to pretend
877
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,359
I'm sitting across from somebody. I'm
878
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:10,560
telling them a story. I don't want them
879
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:12,400
to get up till I'm finished. Okay? You
880
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,119
have to do the same thing. You're
881
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,680
sitting across from somebody and it's a
882
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:19,440
cat and mouse game. It really is. At
883
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,520
least with with this kind of commercial
884
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:24,640
fiction, you're playing a game with
885
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:27,119
them. Don't feel bad about it because
886
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,960
they chose to sit there. They want to
887
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:31,119
sit there. They want to play cat-and-
888
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,119
mouse with you. They want that
889
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,320
experience. That's what they're paying
890
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:37,680
for. They're paying to to play cat-and-
891
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,240
mouse with you. And that's what a lot of
892
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,480
reviewers don't get. They're sitting
893
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,480
there. They want to play the game. They
894
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,760
want to play the game of mysteries and
895
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,240
puzzles and what's going to happen next.
896
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,960
uh and why did it happen and and and and
897
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:55,280
is it clever and is it logical? They
898
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,160
they want to play that game with you.
899
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,800
You got to play it on your side. Okay.
900
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,520
So So you need to be you need to be as
901
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:07,800
good or better than they are as as a
902
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,800
game player. It is a game.
903
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,200
What is a satisfying ending with Along
904
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:17,359
Came a Spider? the ending was not the
905
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,040
ending uh um from the outline.
906
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:21,760
Um
907
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,880
but but what you had there was you had
908
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:29,359
Alex really falling in love with with an
909
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:32,640
FBI agent uh um who turns out to be one
910
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:35,599
of the villains and uh there were there
911
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:38,400
were two two villains, one a real madman
912
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:41,680
and the madman
913
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,680
uh sort of faked insanity. Um, so he
914
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,280
goes away to prison and he will
915
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,040
eventually escape from prison.
916
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Meanwhile, Jezi gets executed. It's just
917
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:56,720
the irony of the really really hateful
918
00:37:53,680 --> 00:38:00,640
uh um bad guy kind of who's going to get
919
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:06,480
away, who's going to skate. uh and and
920
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:09,040
this crashing of Alex's romance where um
921
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,880
the um the person who he's trusted and
922
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,560
been in love with is is is going to get
923
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,720
executed. I mean, that's that's
924
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,880
satisfying, I think, just because it's
925
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:19,280
just the irony is just so incredible and
926
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,599
the shock is so incredible and the
927
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:26,400
surprise and just go, "Yeah, boy, that's
928
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:29,760
I didn't see that coming and it fits and
929
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:33,800
holy shit." you know, so so so so that's
930
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,800
that's one way to do it.
931
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,599
In terms of your ending, the more artful
932
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,880
thing is going to be some ambiguity,
933
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,480
some mystery, some uh something maybe
934
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,960
unsettling.
935
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Uh uh and the critics will like it
936
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,839
better and some of your super smart
937
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,079
readers will like it better. And then
938
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:56,240
some of the people that that really
939
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,000
they're they're in a habit of what they
940
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,320
like from the genre are going to like it
941
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,720
less. Uh so you got to figure out what's
942
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:06,079
right for you. I mean, just know that
943
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,839
that's the reality. Uh uh some of the
944
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:10,320
the more adventurous readers are going
945
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:12,800
to really like that ambiguity. Critics
946
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,119
are going to like the ambiguity. Uh and
947
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,960
some of the people that just, you know,
948
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:18,640
I want it to be the way it should be.
949
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,040
You know, they're not going to like it.
950
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:24,240
A lot of people had problems with that.
951
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,960
ending of that first book, which was
952
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:29,040
Alice Cross's family is missing. Sorry.
953
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,800
Oh, the spoiler alert. Hold it. Oh, too
954
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,920
late. I already told the pro, you know,
955
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:36,720
spoiler alert. Um, Alice Cross's family
956
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,160
is missing and and and presumably dead,
957
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,160
which you don't know. And a lot of
958
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,760
people said, "Oh, I can't believe it.
959
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,680
You bastard. You're just trying to get
960
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,640
us to buy another book." Well, I really
961
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,200
wasn't. Uh, I felt it was a terrific
962
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:53,040
ending, a terrific ending for the thing
963
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,480
to to just leave it there. Um, and and
964
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:57,280
people are funny, you know, they'll
965
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:59,599
watch television shows and, you know, at
966
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,839
the end of the season, the whole cast is
967
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:03,359
in a plane accident and, you know, see
968
00:40:01,839 --> 00:40:05,119
you in September. And they go, "Oh,
969
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:06,720
okay, fine." You know, I'm, you know,
970
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,400
we'll see you in September. You do it in
971
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,920
a book and everybody's birch. They're
972
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,640
writing letters and they're giving you
973
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Fs on Amazon and Barnes & Noble and
974
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,960
stuff. you didn't give it an ending. So,
975
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,640
but I just felt it was the right ending.
976
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,560
A and B, I felt I had another 400page
977
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,119
book. So, I didn't want to write a
978
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,960
900page Alice Cross book, which also
979
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:28,880
would have pissed people off. I don't
980
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,119
want to read 900 page. Well, you usually
981
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,480
do them. They're 4 to 500 pages. I mean,
982
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,000
that's a weird thing of people. They get
983
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,800
used to stuff. And that's a genre
984
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:39,440
problem, too. Certain people get in and
985
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,880
they expect certain things in the genre,
986
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,920
and I don't like to do that. I don't
987
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,320
like to give them what they're
988
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,240
expecting, but I do I do some of that
989
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,119
anyway. It just, you know, because I
990
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,560
feel it's I feel it's right for me, not
991
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,880
not necessarily because I feel it's
992
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,880
right for them.
993
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:01,440
I mean, frequently there'll be an extra
994
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,599
ending or or an ending and then an
995
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,040
epilogue, uh, which may go a whole
996
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:07,920
different way. People are more forgiving
997
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,480
of epilogues for some reason. So you can
998
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,079
you can you can make that e even in a
999
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,599
thriller. I mean one of the tricks with
1000
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,520
thrillers,
1001
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:17,280
good thrillers
1002
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,680
is
1003
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,079
the best thrillers, not only do they
1004
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,760
have pace and excitement and suspense,
1005
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:26,240
but you really get involved with the
1006
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,200
characters. Okay. the the so- so
1007
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:31,839
thrillers um
1008
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,599
are usually primarily the the pace is
1009
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:35,839
good and the excitement is pretty good
1010
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,599
and there's a suspense idea but you
1011
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:39,200
really don't care that much about the
1012
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:42,160
characters
1013
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,560
are a little stock um uh but the best
1014
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,400
thrillers you really are I mean people
1015
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,680
really are involved with Alex Cross
1016
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,240
they're really involved with Lindsay
1017
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,680
Boxer and the women's murder club um
1018
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:54,880
they're involved with m with Mike
1019
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,720
Bennett and and that's really important
1020
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,359
And that allows you, you know, once you
1021
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:01,440
have a series going, uh, um, you know,
1022
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:03,040
you can have the ending to the suspense
1023
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,119
story and then you can have an epilogue
1024
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,720
where Alice just goes back to the family
1025
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,640
and you're just happy that they're back
1026
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:10,560
together and it's a sweet scene and
1027
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,800
that's cool. that that works for
1028
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,880
everybody. And and and there that also
1029
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,200
gives you that option of one of the
1030
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,680
endings can be really ambiguous and and
1031
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,000
and and maybe not even an ending that
1032
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,520
you know that bad guy got away because
1033
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,640
you want to write about that that that
1034
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,240
that villain again. Um u but there the
1035
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,079
readers aren't going to go nuts. They'll
1036
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:32,560
they'll accept
1037
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,240
um as long as that ending ending, the
1038
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,079
last one in the book is something where
1039
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,920
they can go, "Okay, yeah, I'm cool with
1040
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:41,720
that. Lindsay Boxer had her baby."
1041
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,720
whatever the hell it is.
1042
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,520
You saw a movie, what worked, what
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didn't work. You watched a TV show, what
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worked, what didn't work. Uh analyze
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stuff yourself. I mean, just sit there,
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you know, every ending you watch I if
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you if you felt good about it, why what
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happened there that that made you feel
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good about it? Uh um and and and then
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there's no I don't think there are any
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rule. Maybe there are maybe somebody's
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figured out some rules. you got to go to
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somebody else's class for it. Um, but
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but do study, not to copy the stuff.
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Don't copy it, but but you know, you
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should be taking notes in your head
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about what's working, what isn't
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working, why did you feel satisfied? You
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know, go through anything you can
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remember. Why did that work for you?
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What what happened there?
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Now, here's the real secret, okay? uh to
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endings. And and this is one of these
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pieces that's worth the price of
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admission to to the class.
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When when it comes to endings, and this
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can be endings of chapters or or the
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endings of of the book, write down
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everything that could possibly happen.
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Absolutely everything. I don't care how
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ridiculous it is. Just keep writing down
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this could happen. This could happen.
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Oh, let me see what else. This could
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happen. Think through all the
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characters. Just think through
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everything that's happened in the book.
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Think through everything that hasn't
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happened in the book. What could
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possibly happen here? Bullet after
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bullet after bullet after bullet. Then
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pick the most outrageous one of them
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that makes sense. It's got to make
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sense. It's got a track with the book,
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but the most outrageous one is going to
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be the best one in my opinion.
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