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When I was a little boy,
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my first memory
was this dream
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of falling.
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I always wondered
as I got older,
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you know,
if it was some premonition
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of me falling to my death.
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But just feel it so strongly,
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needing to go towards
that unknown and that fear.
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And okay.
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Yeah, my name is Dean.
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- And we first�
- My name's Dean Potter.
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I never say
my name is Dean Potter
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'less I'm talking business,
and this is to give the folks
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a warm feeling about me.
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- Okay.
- So my name's Dean.
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You know, there's this
mythology around Dean Potter.
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For a long time, I knew Dean
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more than anyone else
in the world.
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And he's still, like,
this enigma.
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Yeah.
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Let's start at the beginning.
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I met Dean in the West Texas
desert at Hueco Tanks.
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It was a hot climbing spot
at that time.
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People would spend
the whole winter
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climbing these big boulders.
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Right outside the park,
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they had this corrugated-steel
Quonset hut.
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I walked in.
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What I noticed first was
the smell of the climbers.
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There were sleeping bags
on the ground,
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guys snoring,
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and there's one dude
with this big, long tent pole
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with a tennis ball
taped to the end.
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When people started to snore,
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he would thwack them
from across the room, you know.
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Bwack.
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Thwack.
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And I was like, wow,
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that's the fucking alpha,
I guess.
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So I started climbing when
I was 17 in New Hampshire.
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That year I missed
the maximum amount of days
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from school and�
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and would do anything
to go climbing,
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taking my parents' car
without permission,
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you know,
wrecking my parents' car
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without permission.
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He had a little crew.
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There was Timmy.
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I was this little wiseass
from Philly,
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utterly in love
with the moment.
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We were just climbers, dude.
It was so easy.
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And he had Jim.
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We all came from a life
that wasn't fulfilling.
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Climbing at the time was a way
to put together a new reality
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of what life was going to be.
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For me, it was
a counterculture thing.
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I'd dropped out of school
really early,
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and I was playing in bands.
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You know, when I found
this climbing scene,
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I was like,
these are my people.
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I remember meeting Dean,
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and Dean loomed, right?
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Very tall, like, 6'6",
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intense, sort of in your face.
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But, man, he can climb.
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Most of us were just,
like, having fun,
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you know, on the rock.
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But Dean was tapping
into something very different.
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That's it.
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Come on.
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Nice.
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From the beginning,
what really set him apart
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was his relationship with fear.
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He was seeking out
these climbs
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that were high and scary.
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For some reason,
Dean loved that feeling
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of being up there
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really high off the ground
without a rope.
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Free soloing.
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If you fall off,
you could die.
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But when he got in
a dangerous situation,
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something in his brain
would kick in,
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and he could take
the fear that he had
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and morph it into, like,
superhuman strength.
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In those early days,
it was pure.
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He wasn't famous.
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He was just discovering
the power that he had.
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Bring it on back.
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Slacklining is like surfing.
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You've got to ride
this huge wave.
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Come on.
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Next step was to take it
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hundreds of feet
off the ground.
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With a high line,
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you're looking at,
will the system catch you?
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It was all new.
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We didn't have stuff that
was built for high lining.
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One, two, three,
one, two, three.
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No one else is really
developing the technical side
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of high lining,
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just me and, you know,
my close friends.
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And they're not
rocket scientists.
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Think that'll hold?
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System failure.
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Trying to walk
a high line�
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it fucks with your mind
so hard.
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You're tethered to the line.
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But it's terrifying.
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You're doing it, Timmy.
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My hands are sweating
right now thinking about it.
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But Dean went so deep into it.
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It's all about control�
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becoming the master
of your mind.
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Controlling it.
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In a way, Dean's whole life
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was about that struggle.
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Yeah!
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He used to write
in journals a lot.
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He wrote about everything�
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his biggest dreams�
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but also some bizarre shit.
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If he knew we were
reading these journals,
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he would be fucking mortified.
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"Dean�who the fuck is he?
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"I don't even know.
Nobody does.
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"I hope I don't lose my mind.
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"I haven't yet,
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but there's always
the possibility."
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There's so much angst.
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He's clearly in pain.
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Some people are blessed,
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and some people are cursed.
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And Dean was both.
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He was cursed with a dark side
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that sometimes overcame him.
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It was always a struggle
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with his mind.
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Even when I first met him,
he would get in his head,
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like, really down.
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And there would be times
we would sit together,
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you know, just have, like,
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more than a few beers
or whatever.
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We would literally
just sit there and just cry,
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like, fucking weep.
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Both of us were just, like,
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what is it that's fucking
stirring the shit in my head?
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We talked about everything,
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like, deep, dark
childhood shit.
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Dean had issues
with his family,
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relationship stuff.
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I mean, he was troubled.
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And it seemed like climbing
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was the only thing
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that kind of kept the demons
at bay, you know.
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I climb to feel the purity
of focused mind and body
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unhindered
by outside thoughts.
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Dean spent a lot of years
living in a beat-up van,
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got by with very little.
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The best part
of climbing for me
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has been developing
the close friendships,
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being with people that feel
the same way I do.
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Their soul is in climbing
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and living
the alternative lifestyle.
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Don't have much money
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and alls you want to do
is climb
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and enjoy the beautiful sky
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and rock and world around you.
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It makes no sense to some.
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To us, it's all there is.
It's our religion.
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I remember the first time
going to Yosemite with Dean.
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Your face is pressed
to the glass,
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and you're looking up
at the walls.
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El Capitan, Half Dome�
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they're gargantuan.
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It's hard to fathom.
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Yosemite�
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climbers' Shangri-La.
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For generations, climbers
had come to the Valley
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pushing the limits
on these massive walls.
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I was writing a book
about the history
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of Yosemite climbing,
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interviewing the old-timers
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and trying to build this story
of the lineage.
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And Dean�I don't even know
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if I'd ever heard of him
at the time,
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but that was about to change.
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The Half Dome climb in '99
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was Dean's big
breakthrough thing.
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He was pioneering
this entirely new way
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of climbing big walls,
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Free soloing but
with a small section of rope
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tied to his back.
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This is
a 2,500-foot fucking wall.
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He would climb ropeless
for most of the route.
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When it got to the parts
that were too sketchy
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for him to free solo,
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he would use the gear,
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you know, place a piece
and just yard on it.
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He's pulling on gear,
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and then he unclips
back to free solo.
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Suddenly, this guy
can just blitz up.
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You know, the prior
speed ascent on Half Dome
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was something like 20 hours.
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And Dean did it in 4?
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That was the moment
I became aware of Dean
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as this
paradigm-shattering talent
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with a totally different way
of thinking
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about what was possible.
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It's in here somewhere.
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These are
the Masters of Stone.
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In our era, the pinnacle
of climbing entertainment
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was "Masters of Stone."
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These classic videos
with all the famous climbers,
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hair metal.
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Some of it was
kind of cheesy but�
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It was basically
climbing porn.
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But the guy who made
the films, Eric Perlman,
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he saw the whole thing
in epic terms.
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I came out
of the Vietnam War generation.
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I recognized
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there is something
intrinsically beautiful
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when life is on the line.
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In the crucible
of adventure sport,
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the spirit of man
rises to a whole new level.
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That's what evolution
demands of us.
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I had heard about this guy,
Dean Potter.
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I thought
I should reach out to him.
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By this time,
his reputation had grown,
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but he was still, like,
the underground dude.
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Dean made fun relentlessly
of sponsored climbers
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shamelessly self-promoting
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and bringing, like,
capitalist reality
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into our sacred climbing.
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"I feel that climbers
are overly influenced
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"with the pursuit of numbers,
competition, fame, and status
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and have left behind soul."
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"Never sacrifice my soul."
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But at the same time, he was
worried about his future,
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and he wasn't going to
hold down a regular job.
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And I was like, dude,
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you can just be
a professional climber.
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You know,
shoot with Eric Perlman,
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get some sponsorships,
make a living.
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Ultimately,
I think Dean recognized
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that telling a story was part
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of a way to be able to do
what you love in this life
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and get paid for it.
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Action.
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And he embraced the process
of making the movie.
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He brought together
his development of technique,
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his creativity,
and boldness�
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And laid it all out
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on the most impactful stage
in all of climbing�
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El Capitan.
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Timmy doubled in
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as an ordinary climber
on El Cap.
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We came up with this thing.
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- Dean would pass me.
- Dean goes running past.
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What's up, dude?
Don't touch me.
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"Don't touch me, dude."
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And I give
this cheeseball reaction.
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There was a certain bit
of theatricality to this,
263
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Holy shit.
264
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But I had a sense
that when people saw
265
00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,008
the things he was doing,
266
00:16:49,091 --> 00:16:52,345
they'd think,
this guy is superhuman.
267
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As an athlete,
268
00:17:01,103 --> 00:17:05,399
Dean was
the most natural performer.
269
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As a speaker,
articulator of ideas�
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When I reach the top�
Yeah.
271
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Hold on.
272
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It took a little
encouragement.
273
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Go ahead.
274
00:17:18,496 --> 00:17:20,039
And when
I finally reach the top,
275
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part of me is real excited,
but the rest of me is just�
276
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yeah, fuck.
277
00:17:23,376 --> 00:17:24,961
- "But most of me"�
- But most of me�
278
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Yeah, fuck!
279
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:27,672
I think at the outset,
280
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he was just trying
to stay authentic.
281
00:17:31,342 --> 00:17:33,094
This isn't really
like me at all.
282
00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:35,346
It's so different
than how you normally talk.
283
00:17:35,429 --> 00:17:37,890
My job was just
to coach him.
284
00:17:37,974 --> 00:17:39,976
Here I am,
planted on the summit,
285
00:17:40,059 --> 00:17:41,519
my feet firm on the ground
286
00:17:41,602 --> 00:17:44,105
checking the view,
and life is good.
287
00:17:46,315 --> 00:17:49,694
Here I am standing on
the top with my feet planted,
288
00:17:49,777 --> 00:17:51,654
and life is good.
289
00:17:57,285 --> 00:18:00,788
"Masters of Stone"
changed Dean's life.
290
00:18:00,871 --> 00:18:03,291
All of a sudden,
he went from being Dean
291
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to being Dean Potter.
292
00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:10,715
He was in magazines,
getting sponsorships.
293
00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:13,843
Up until that point, he was
all about the counterculture.
294
00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:17,638
Now he's, like,
promoting brands and shit.
295
00:18:17,722 --> 00:18:22,184
At first, he didn't want
to completely buy it.
296
00:18:22,268 --> 00:18:24,353
For me,
the most important gear I have
297
00:18:24,437 --> 00:18:27,982
is something that makes
my body run clean and strong.
298
00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:31,193
Odwalla, it gets the job done.
299
00:18:37,325 --> 00:18:39,910
We would give Dean a little
bit of a hard time about it.
300
00:18:39,994 --> 00:18:41,787
Like, he's a sole climber,
301
00:18:41,871 --> 00:18:43,914
climbing solely
for his sponsors.
302
00:18:43,998 --> 00:18:45,916
Right, like�
303
00:18:50,463 --> 00:18:55,176
Dean started to have
a mystique around him.
304
00:18:55,259 --> 00:18:57,553
He was the center
of this whole cast
305
00:18:57,637 --> 00:19:00,181
of characters in Yosemite.
306
00:19:00,264 --> 00:19:02,725
I'd just turned 18 when
I first showed up in Yosemite.
307
00:19:02,808 --> 00:19:05,478
We were all sort of Peter Pan
and the Lost Boys,
308
00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:07,938
and Dean was a huge
influence on all of us.
309
00:19:08,022 --> 00:19:11,525
Dean represented
what I wanted to be�
310
00:19:11,609 --> 00:19:13,402
a badass, risk taker,
311
00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:16,030
bold, pushing the limits.
312
00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:19,283
I was lucky just to be
in that same tribe with him.
313
00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:26,707
We called ourselves
the Stone Monkeys,
314
00:19:26,791 --> 00:19:28,292
and we had our own call.
315
00:19:28,376 --> 00:19:29,418
We'd be like�
316
00:19:31,212 --> 00:19:33,506
We did party-style ascents
of El Capitan�
317
00:19:34,924 --> 00:19:37,218
A full bar, ounces of weed.
318
00:19:37,301 --> 00:19:38,301
Wake and bake.
319
00:19:38,344 --> 00:19:39,929
Don't tell
your mama and papa.
320
00:19:40,012 --> 00:19:42,014
We had this huge bag
of mushrooms.
321
00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:44,392
- I'm shaking as well.
- I'm fucking terrified.
322
00:19:44,475 --> 00:19:46,977
We're gonna set up
a rope jump out of here.
323
00:19:47,061 --> 00:19:48,396
And then we jumped off.
324
00:19:50,648 --> 00:19:52,400
Oh, my God!
325
00:19:52,483 --> 00:19:53,651
Yeah!
326
00:19:53,734 --> 00:19:55,194
Whoa.
327
00:19:55,277 --> 00:19:56,904
Fucking crazy bastards.
328
00:19:56,987 --> 00:19:58,406
Whoo!
329
00:19:58,489 --> 00:20:00,032
El Capitan!
330
00:20:00,116 --> 00:20:02,576
It was just
a feral existence.
331
00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:04,537
But this is a national park,
332
00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,623
so there was always this,
like, battle with the rangers.
333
00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:09,709
They would come through
and give us tickets and stuff.
334
00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:13,129
Like, all the rest of us
were scared of the rangers.
335
00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,840
They all had guns and hats,
but Dean was, like, not afraid.
336
00:20:15,923 --> 00:20:18,300
- How are you?
- Hi. How are you doing?
337
00:20:18,384 --> 00:20:21,679
- Turn off the camera.
- Um, no, thank you.
338
00:20:21,762 --> 00:20:24,181
Yeah, in the past,
I have been kind of combative
339
00:20:24,265 --> 00:20:26,100
towards the rangers.
340
00:20:26,183 --> 00:20:29,395
My most fundamental principle
is just being free,
341
00:20:29,478 --> 00:20:33,149
and, you know, I think as long
as I'm not harming anybody
342
00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:35,192
that I shouldn't be limited.
343
00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:36,360
How come
you're pulling me over?
344
00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:37,778
I was just honking at you
because you were�
345
00:20:37,862 --> 00:20:39,238
Failure to yield right of way
346
00:20:39,321 --> 00:20:40,865
at that intersection
back there.
347
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:42,283
No, I didn't, sir.
That's a lie.
348
00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:43,784
- Okay.
- I think you're harassing me.
349
00:20:43,868 --> 00:20:48,205
But, unfortunately, we're
so strapped down with rules
350
00:20:48,289 --> 00:20:50,624
that I'm not allowed
to be the wild,
351
00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:53,294
natural guy
that I think everybody
352
00:20:53,377 --> 00:20:55,087
should be allowed to be.
353
00:20:55,171 --> 00:20:57,131
He was a total iconoclast
354
00:20:57,214 --> 00:20:59,675
and was gonna do whatever
the fuck he wanted.
355
00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,469
Hey!
356
00:21:01,552 --> 00:21:03,137
Maniac!
357
00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:07,850
And that became part
of the myth of Dean Potter.
358
00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:10,770
As it grew
and he got more recognition,
359
00:21:10,853 --> 00:21:15,274
he seemed like he was taking
himself much more seriously.
360
00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:19,987
He started to believe that
he could be the best climber,
361
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:23,157
the best of all time
in Yosemite.
362
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,828
Dean calls, and he's like,
"Timmy, I need your help.
363
00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:29,872
"It's time to break
the speed record
364
00:21:29,955 --> 00:21:32,625
on the nose of El Cap"�
365
00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:35,044
climbing 3,000 feet
366
00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:38,547
as fast as humanly possible.
367
00:21:38,631 --> 00:21:40,925
It's intense.
368
00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:43,010
You start the clock,
369
00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:44,804
go sprinting up.
370
00:21:44,887 --> 00:21:48,015
Typically, you would take
multiple days,
371
00:21:48,098 --> 00:21:51,644
and we're trying to do it
in just a few hours.
372
00:21:51,727 --> 00:21:54,980
Dean had a special system.
373
00:21:55,064 --> 00:21:56,941
You're climbing simultaneously,
374
00:21:57,024 --> 00:21:59,360
which makes it
even more dangerous.
375
00:21:59,443 --> 00:22:02,780
Once, I fell 100 feet.
376
00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:05,366
I smashed into the wall,
377
00:22:05,449 --> 00:22:08,702
and I'm like, "I'm still alive.
How can it be?"
378
00:22:08,786 --> 00:22:11,747
And then Dean yelled,
"The system works!
379
00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:14,667
Go, go, go!"
380
00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:17,169
I love the action
of speed climbing,
381
00:22:17,253 --> 00:22:19,505
just galloping up the rock.
382
00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,757
No rules, whatever it takes.
383
00:22:21,841 --> 00:22:24,385
Just figure it out
and go for it.
384
00:22:24,468 --> 00:22:27,304
You know, you break through
exhaustion into that flow,
385
00:22:27,388 --> 00:22:29,765
and then all of a sudden,
we're standing on top.
386
00:22:29,849 --> 00:22:31,642
And boom.
387
00:22:31,725 --> 00:22:34,019
We broke the record.
388
00:22:34,103 --> 00:22:36,522
"Climbing" magazine
put him on the cover.
389
00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:40,693
I was, like, down
by the UPC symbol, right?
390
00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:44,488
And immediately, the record
was broken by Hans Florine.
391
00:22:44,572 --> 00:22:47,867
Hans Florine
was a legendary character
392
00:22:47,950 --> 00:22:49,577
in Yosemite speed climbing,
393
00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:52,454
you know, Mr. El Cap.
394
00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:54,790
All right,
Hollywood Hans Florine.
395
00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:55,958
Whoo-hoo.
396
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:59,837
I'm well-known for climbing
El Cap smoking fast.
397
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,756
I come from an athletic,
competitive background.
398
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,925
The most exciting
competitor, Hans Florine.
399
00:23:05,009 --> 00:23:07,386
I wasn't like Dean
and his friends,
400
00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:10,097
cut-off blue jeans.
401
00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:13,726
Like, you know,
I'm in Yosemite
402
00:23:13,809 --> 00:23:15,227
because I hate my parents
403
00:23:15,311 --> 00:23:17,938
or because I don't care to do
what society says.
404
00:23:19,857 --> 00:23:22,026
I was there because
I want to be the best.
405
00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:24,904
Hans had the nose record
for 10 years.
406
00:23:24,987 --> 00:23:28,073
When I heard Dean and Timmy
broke our record,
407
00:23:28,157 --> 00:23:29,658
I was fucking excited.
408
00:23:29,742 --> 00:23:30,910
There's a race.
409
00:23:32,703 --> 00:23:34,705
Two weeks later,
I go get the record back.
410
00:23:35,915 --> 00:23:37,583
I think this record'll last
for a good long time.
411
00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:41,170
After that, yeah,
I think Dean got caught up
412
00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:43,422
in the competition.
413
00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:45,758
That's when
we started to see
414
00:23:45,841 --> 00:23:48,844
this more aggro side of Dean.
415
00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:51,096
He couldn't keep it
under control.
416
00:23:51,180 --> 00:23:52,973
So we're going again.
417
00:23:53,057 --> 00:23:55,601
And Dean could be
a fucking psycho.
418
00:23:55,684 --> 00:23:56,852
We were doing the nose.
419
00:23:56,936 --> 00:23:58,854
I forgot the gear.
I made this mistake.
420
00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:01,065
He's like,
"You just fucked us!
421
00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:03,067
We're gonna lose
the record, dude."
422
00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:06,195
My second or third speed
climb ever was with Dean.
423
00:24:06,278 --> 00:24:07,821
I think I had a cam stuck,
424
00:24:07,905 --> 00:24:10,240
and he just started screaming
at me.
425
00:24:10,324 --> 00:24:11,867
"What the fuck are you doing?"
426
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,702
He's all, "We're losing time!"
427
00:24:13,786 --> 00:24:16,121
He was just, like,
so intense and so driven,
428
00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:19,291
and sometimes
that would kind of spill over
429
00:24:19,375 --> 00:24:21,460
into being a bit of a dickhead.
430
00:24:23,587 --> 00:24:26,715
So Dean and I break
the record again
431
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,093
by, like, 40 minutes.
432
00:24:29,176 --> 00:24:30,469
I was like, congratulations,
you guys got the record.
433
00:24:30,552 --> 00:24:32,221
That's so awesome.
434
00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:33,764
How did you guys do it?
435
00:24:33,847 --> 00:24:36,517
You know, and I didn't get
a word from Dean.
436
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,936
He didn't want to face
and talk to me.
437
00:24:39,937 --> 00:24:42,773
Dean and Hans
continued dueling
438
00:24:42,856 --> 00:24:45,275
back and forth on the nose.
439
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,570
Racing with Hans,
it disgusted me.
440
00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:51,865
He was like this little dog
humping my leg.
441
00:24:51,949 --> 00:24:55,327
I hate the fact that
he wanted to just, like, piss
442
00:24:55,411 --> 00:24:58,747
on what I was doing.
443
00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:00,457
And I hated the fact
444
00:25:00,541 --> 00:25:04,586
that it brought out
the little dog in me
445
00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:07,840
that would do that back.
446
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:13,846
I forced him to show
how competitive he was
447
00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:16,432
and shown too dark
a side of him.
448
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:18,100
Think Hans is going to be
psyched to come back?
449
00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:19,852
I don't give a fuck
about Hans.
450
00:25:19,935 --> 00:25:21,729
Want me to break
your camera, dude?
451
00:25:21,812 --> 00:25:23,313
- Go away.
- Sorry.
452
00:25:23,397 --> 00:25:25,649
I was just like,
"Man, I can't believe
453
00:25:25,733 --> 00:25:28,152
what came out of me
through competition."
454
00:25:28,235 --> 00:25:30,738
I was a real asshole.
455
00:25:30,821 --> 00:25:34,908
So I stopped myself
and realized,
456
00:25:34,992 --> 00:25:37,244
that's not who I want to be.
457
00:25:47,629 --> 00:25:50,049
Okay, we got
two cameras rolling.
458
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:55,095
Winky.
459
00:25:55,179 --> 00:25:57,765
Bullwinkle.
460
00:25:57,848 --> 00:26:00,350
Dean Fidelman.
461
00:26:00,434 --> 00:26:02,561
I answer to most of those.
462
00:26:05,189 --> 00:26:07,983
I've been lurking in this
valley for a really long time.
463
00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:10,319
Roll camera.
464
00:26:10,402 --> 00:26:12,780
I was part
of the Stone Masters,
465
00:26:12,863 --> 00:26:15,699
which was this band
of young climbers
466
00:26:15,783 --> 00:26:18,535
that ruled in Yosemite
in the '70s.
467
00:26:23,957 --> 00:26:26,794
I grew up with all these
extraordinary climbers
468
00:26:26,877 --> 00:26:28,670
and documented them.
469
00:26:30,547 --> 00:26:32,424
We shared this dirt.
470
00:26:34,802 --> 00:26:37,429
And then they left me.
471
00:26:37,513 --> 00:26:39,431
They became
captains of industry,
472
00:26:39,515 --> 00:26:41,225
or they died,
or they got married,
473
00:26:41,308 --> 00:26:44,478
or they had families,
and I had nothing like that.
474
00:26:44,561 --> 00:26:45,729
I stayed.
475
00:26:49,108 --> 00:26:50,818
I never left the dirt.
476
00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:57,616
When I first met Dean�
'96, '97�
477
00:26:57,699 --> 00:26:58,909
he came up to me one day.
478
00:26:58,992 --> 00:27:01,161
He goes "Why are you
here in Yosemite?
479
00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:03,247
Why are you"�
480
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,415
You know, I go,
"I'm an artist. I make art.
481
00:27:05,499 --> 00:27:07,417
"And I'm kind of a fuckup
482
00:27:07,501 --> 00:27:10,921
and, you know, sort of a loser
in some ways," you know.
483
00:27:11,004 --> 00:27:14,091
But I'd rather be here
and sleep in the meadow
484
00:27:14,174 --> 00:27:16,552
and just, like,
make my photographs.
485
00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:18,887
That's what I want to do.
486
00:27:18,971 --> 00:27:21,265
He believed in me
487
00:27:21,348 --> 00:27:25,310
when not a lot of people
were believing in me.
488
00:27:25,394 --> 00:27:30,232
Bullwinkle, he's one
of the guys I look up to.
489
00:27:30,315 --> 00:27:33,652
The Stone Masters,
they did what they wanted
490
00:27:33,735 --> 00:27:36,155
and what was most cool
and radical
491
00:27:36,238 --> 00:27:37,531
and felt good to them�
492
00:27:37,614 --> 00:27:41,743
somewhat immune
to what society thought.
493
00:27:43,829 --> 00:27:47,541
Dean definitely was driven
by his ego,
494
00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:49,710
but who he wanted to be
495
00:27:49,793 --> 00:27:53,547
was not that super-competitive
sports bro kind of guy.
496
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:58,177
He was searching
for a deeper connection.
497
00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:00,888
He wanted to be
part of nature.
498
00:28:03,515 --> 00:28:06,143
He identified with animals,
499
00:28:06,226 --> 00:28:09,438
especially with ravens.
500
00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:14,234
The raven�it was definitely
a big symbol for him.
501
00:28:14,318 --> 00:28:16,904
We spent a lot
of time together
502
00:28:16,987 --> 00:28:19,489
making photographs,
503
00:28:19,573 --> 00:28:21,241
talking about art.
504
00:28:26,705 --> 00:28:30,167
Early on, I could see
505
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:33,337
he was an athlete
506
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:35,339
and he was an artist.
507
00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:46,225
And he needed to figure out
how those two went together.
508
00:28:52,356 --> 00:28:55,150
I look up at the wall
or see the space
509
00:28:55,234 --> 00:28:57,569
between formations,
510
00:28:57,653 --> 00:29:01,907
and I kind of get a flash
or a picture.
511
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:04,493
And I want to enter that.
512
00:29:04,576 --> 00:29:07,079
I see myself becoming one
513
00:29:07,162 --> 00:29:10,082
with the beauty
and the nature,
514
00:29:10,165 --> 00:29:12,167
and then I live it.
515
00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:21,969
He was definitely�
516
00:29:22,052 --> 00:29:24,054
seeking a spiritual path�
517
00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:31,478
But also wrestling�
518
00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:34,398
with who he was�
519
00:29:34,481 --> 00:29:36,858
and who he wanted to be.
520
00:29:48,245 --> 00:29:50,539
"I dream of Stephanie.
521
00:29:50,622 --> 00:29:55,419
"I miss her and wonder
how she feels about me.
522
00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:58,463
My love, my love I long for�"
That's terrible.
523
00:29:58,547 --> 00:30:00,966
Dude, so sappy.
524
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:04,553
And action.
525
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,054
My name is Steph Davis.
526
00:30:06,138 --> 00:30:07,973
I'm 26 years old.
527
00:30:08,056 --> 00:30:10,017
I've been climbing
528
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:13,020
for almost exactly eight years.
529
00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:20,986
Steph Davis�
530
00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:23,905
She was
a really strong climber,
531
00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:25,657
really, really driven.
532
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:30,912
She was trying to decide
whether to be a lawyer
533
00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:32,664
or a professional climber.
534
00:30:32,748 --> 00:30:35,751
Steph did that classic
dirtbag thing of, like,
535
00:30:35,834 --> 00:30:38,378
dropping out of law school,
living in her van,
536
00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:42,466
and she had become
this badass adventurer�
537
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:45,302
doing huge climbs.
538
00:30:45,385 --> 00:30:47,888
I wrote a story all about how
539
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:50,182
she was making her life
her way.
540
00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:52,976
My profession
is fairly vague,
541
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:55,937
but it involves mostly
just climbing a lot.
542
00:30:56,021 --> 00:30:58,982
Not only was she climbing
at the highest level,
543
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:03,028
but she had secured
this great sponsorship
544
00:31:03,111 --> 00:31:04,571
with Patagonia.
545
00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:05,906
Let's see.
546
00:31:05,989 --> 00:31:07,532
Have a lot of stripes.
547
00:31:07,616 --> 00:31:10,619
There was really
no one else like her
548
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:12,704
at the time.
549
00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:17,250
Dean and Steph first got
together in the early years.
550
00:31:17,334 --> 00:31:21,463
He loved Steph more than
I've ever seen love.
551
00:31:21,546 --> 00:31:24,966
In a lot of ways, they
seemed made for each other,
552
00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:27,260
these beautiful people,
553
00:31:27,344 --> 00:31:30,138
both top climbers.
554
00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:34,643
But there was this friction
between Steph being
555
00:31:34,726 --> 00:31:37,312
a focused professional
556
00:31:37,396 --> 00:31:40,565
and Dean still being
a fucking man-child.
557
00:31:43,819 --> 00:31:46,655
They were always
a tumultuous pair.
558
00:31:46,738 --> 00:31:47,864
Get it.
559
00:31:51,701 --> 00:31:52,911
They were both
very opinionated.
560
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:55,913
Bullheaded.
561
00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:02,629
These two
highly driven people,
562
00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:04,756
the adrenaline runs hot.
563
00:32:07,843 --> 00:32:09,261
You know, with Dean�
564
00:32:09,344 --> 00:32:10,804
Fuck!
565
00:32:10,887 --> 00:32:14,558
The emotions run super hot.
566
00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:19,521
Stuff with Steph and love,
that's more powerful than�
567
00:32:19,604 --> 00:32:21,314
than anything.
568
00:32:21,398 --> 00:32:24,943
He always had
a really strong fear
569
00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:27,362
of being controlled.
570
00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:34,161
And that made relationships
very hard for him.
571
00:32:34,244 --> 00:32:37,414
There were all these cycles
of passionate love
572
00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:39,040
and then breakups.
573
00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:42,043
He would become desperate,
574
00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:44,629
almost obsessive.
575
00:32:44,713 --> 00:32:48,216
At one point, he had
broken up with Steph.
576
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:53,180
She went down to Patagonia
with another guy.
577
00:32:53,263 --> 00:32:55,557
They did all these
fucking hard routes.
578
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,603
Dean was infuriated
and jealous.
579
00:32:59,686 --> 00:33:01,688
So he went down there,
580
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:04,191
and he raged
like never before.
581
00:33:04,274 --> 00:33:06,401
All right, here we go.
582
00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:09,196
He was knocking out
one outrageous
583
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,281
cutting-edge alpine climb
after another,
584
00:33:11,364 --> 00:33:12,491
totally alone.
585
00:33:12,574 --> 00:33:15,952
Oh, fuck, yeah!
Whoo, ducky! Whoa!
586
00:33:16,036 --> 00:33:19,748
He then tries to do
a first ascent on Fitz Roy,
587
00:33:19,831 --> 00:33:22,459
which is a mixture
of rock and ice.
588
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:25,045
It's 7,000 feet
to the summit.
589
00:33:25,128 --> 00:33:28,590
He brought a water bottle
empty to save weight
590
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:31,718
so he can piss in it
and then drink that.
591
00:33:33,428 --> 00:33:36,223
- It's just so wrong.
- "I'm gonna drink my pee."
592
00:33:36,306 --> 00:33:38,099
You don't have to do that.
593
00:33:38,183 --> 00:33:41,394
He gets to the top,
but when he's going down,
594
00:33:41,478 --> 00:33:42,562
he gets smashed by a rock�
595
00:33:42,646 --> 00:33:45,148
I've hurt my head.
596
00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:47,442
Crawls to base camp.
597
00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:50,445
He definitely went
beyond some boundaries,
598
00:33:50,529 --> 00:33:54,824
and I think it was all
about trying to impress Steph.
599
00:33:58,453 --> 00:34:02,290
Eventually,
this tumultuous pair,
600
00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:03,833
they sorted it.
601
00:34:06,044 --> 00:34:10,048
And against
all the fucking odds,
602
00:34:10,131 --> 00:34:13,635
they made the decision
to get married.
603
00:34:15,971 --> 00:34:18,598
I was one of the best men.
604
00:34:18,682 --> 00:34:20,225
Jim officiated.
605
00:34:20,308 --> 00:34:22,519
I just remember writing
something like,
606
00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:24,479
"They kind of deserve
each other."
607
00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:32,279
There was kind of
an everything-coming-together
608
00:34:32,362 --> 00:34:34,698
quality for Dean.
609
00:34:34,781 --> 00:34:37,158
Dean and Steph
had this cute little house
610
00:34:37,242 --> 00:34:39,578
out in Utah, out in Moab.
611
00:34:39,661 --> 00:34:41,871
They had another place
in Yosemite,
612
00:34:41,955 --> 00:34:43,873
and now they're
both fully sponsored
613
00:34:43,957 --> 00:34:45,333
by Patagonia,
614
00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:48,503
the classiest brand
in the game in those years.
615
00:34:50,589 --> 00:34:52,757
At Patagonia,
we were climbers
616
00:34:52,841 --> 00:34:56,011
but also misfits
and countercultural.
617
00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:59,306
Dean was a brilliant
renegade climber,
618
00:34:59,389 --> 00:35:02,767
and he kind delighted
in breaking the rules.
619
00:35:02,851 --> 00:35:06,187
And that was a good fit
with Patagonia.
620
00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:10,650
I spent 10 years
heading up PR at Patagonia.
621
00:35:10,734 --> 00:35:12,611
I remember meeting Dean.
622
00:35:12,694 --> 00:35:14,195
It was in a photo shoot.
623
00:35:14,279 --> 00:35:17,157
And I called my mom, like,
624
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:20,493
"Mom, I know
what star power is now."
625
00:35:20,577 --> 00:35:22,537
He was by far
the coolest ambassador.
626
00:35:24,623 --> 00:35:26,750
People just gravitate to him.
627
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:28,877
Dean and Steph
started to become famous
628
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,545
and started
to make real money.
629
00:35:30,629 --> 00:35:32,088
Stop that.
630
00:35:32,172 --> 00:35:33,965
Climbing was booming
as a sport,
631
00:35:34,049 --> 00:35:36,217
and Dean really,
like, rode that wave.
632
00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:40,972
There was something truly
unique about Dean's game.
633
00:35:41,056 --> 00:35:43,558
It was as if he was reinventing
634
00:35:43,642 --> 00:35:46,728
what it meant to be
a great outdoor athlete.
635
00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:50,357
He was seeing himself
in a different light now,
636
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,903
really looking at his thing
as performance art.
637
00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:58,531
He wanted to share with
the world his artistic vision.
638
00:35:58,615 --> 00:36:01,951
From then on, we filmed
everything that Dean did.
639
00:36:04,371 --> 00:36:05,371
Fuck.
640
00:36:05,413 --> 00:36:07,248
He was on fire.
641
00:36:07,332 --> 00:36:08,708
Yeah!
642
00:36:08,792 --> 00:36:11,252
And his sponsors
were psyched,
643
00:36:11,336 --> 00:36:13,129
especially Patagonia.
644
00:36:13,213 --> 00:36:15,173
For, like, four years,
645
00:36:15,256 --> 00:36:18,802
Dean and Steph were
the poster children
646
00:36:18,885 --> 00:36:21,971
of everything we stood for
and everything we did.
647
00:36:22,055 --> 00:36:24,265
There was no one
that didn't think
648
00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:26,935
they were going to be
with Patagonia forever.
649
00:36:28,687 --> 00:36:31,272
- What am I looking at?
- The writing.
650
00:36:32,774 --> 00:36:34,901
"Delicate Arch,
651
00:36:34,984 --> 00:36:38,405
May 2006."
652
00:36:38,488 --> 00:36:39,823
Oh, fuck.
653
00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:41,825
Oh, fuck, dude.
654
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:44,994
Are you shitting me?
655
00:36:45,078 --> 00:36:46,287
Oh, wait.
656
00:36:46,371 --> 00:36:48,832
You're wanting to talk to me
about the Delicate Arch.
657
00:36:48,915 --> 00:36:51,042
I'm not dropping into that
658
00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:53,420
mine hole of bullshit.
659
00:36:53,503 --> 00:36:55,046
I got really no comment.
660
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:56,840
I mean, I'll comment on it,
but I have nothing�
661
00:36:56,923 --> 00:36:58,383
- nothing to do with it, yeah.
- Well, okay, but�
662
00:36:58,466 --> 00:37:00,635
I really don't want
to go there.
663
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,763
The Delicate Arch�
664
00:37:03,847 --> 00:37:05,306
was toxic.
665
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:06,891
Ah, shit,
you got me talking about it.
666
00:37:06,975 --> 00:37:08,059
This is bad.
667
00:37:10,103 --> 00:37:12,772
Delicate Arch is
one of the most iconic
668
00:37:12,856 --> 00:37:15,108
rock formations in the world.
669
00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:17,444
It's on
the Utah license plate,
670
00:37:17,527 --> 00:37:20,029
visited by thousands
of tourists every year.
671
00:37:20,113 --> 00:37:23,783
Delicate Arch seems
almost too fragile to stand.
672
00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:26,244
We knew for climbers,
673
00:37:26,327 --> 00:37:28,079
there was an unwritten rule
674
00:37:28,163 --> 00:37:29,873
that there are
certain formations
675
00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:32,083
that you shouldn't be
fucking around on.
676
00:37:32,167 --> 00:37:36,087
So we were, like, poking
the bear, right?
677
00:37:36,171 --> 00:37:39,632
And Dean being with Steph
for so long,
678
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:42,677
he hadn't pulled one over
on the man in a minute.
679
00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:50,393
It was
this covert operation,
680
00:37:50,477 --> 00:37:54,063
where we sneak out
in the middle of the night.
681
00:37:59,027 --> 00:38:01,070
This is the arrow.
682
00:38:01,154 --> 00:38:04,783
Idea is, we're gonna tie
a string to the arrow�
683
00:38:04,866 --> 00:38:07,160
shoot it over the top
of the arch�
684
00:38:09,329 --> 00:38:12,665
And then from the string,
we're gonna drag the rope up.
685
00:38:12,749 --> 00:38:14,292
We're gonna set up
a top rope�
686
00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:16,711
Yeah, let's go.
687
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:20,215
So that Dean can rehearse
this thing before soloing it.
688
00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:23,635
We go up there.
689
00:38:23,718 --> 00:38:25,804
It's got this flat platform
on top.
690
00:38:25,887 --> 00:38:28,807
And we just lied there
691
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,809
and looked up at the stars.
692
00:38:30,892 --> 00:38:32,060
I call Timmy.
693
00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:35,021
"I'm on the top
of Delicate Arch.
694
00:38:35,104 --> 00:38:36,731
Dean's gonna climb it."
695
00:38:36,815 --> 00:38:39,317
- And Timmy says�
- That sounds like a bad idea.
696
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,194
Isn't that
on the license plate?
697
00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:44,322
Isn't that called "delicate"?
698
00:38:44,405 --> 00:38:47,951
Dean wanted to shoot
this thing right at dawn.
699
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:50,662
Eric Perlman arrives.
700
00:39:02,632 --> 00:39:04,175
He said,
"It's the most beautiful thing
701
00:39:04,259 --> 00:39:05,760
"I've ever tried to do.
702
00:39:05,844 --> 00:39:07,846
You've got to be
a part of it."
703
00:39:14,936 --> 00:39:18,815
Aesthetically,
it was a classic art piece
704
00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:21,150
on a three-dimensional
canvas�
705
00:39:24,821 --> 00:39:28,616
A vision of humanity
706
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:32,370
moving and flowing�
707
00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:35,081
at one with nature.
708
00:39:38,668 --> 00:39:41,546
As Dean was climbing,
709
00:39:41,629 --> 00:39:43,756
these birds came out.
710
00:39:46,593 --> 00:39:48,803
And they were whirling around.
711
00:39:54,642 --> 00:39:57,770
It was more magical
712
00:39:57,854 --> 00:40:01,983
than any of us
could have expected.
713
00:40:15,872 --> 00:40:17,290
For Dean,
714
00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:20,251
the experience
was so profound.
715
00:40:25,256 --> 00:40:28,801
He thought it would be one
of the most iconic images ever
716
00:40:28,885 --> 00:40:30,261
of climbing.
717
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:34,807
I remember coming into work,
718
00:40:34,891 --> 00:40:37,101
and our athlete manager
at the time
719
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:39,479
was very excited
that Dean Potter
720
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:41,397
had just climbed Delicate Arch.
721
00:40:41,481 --> 00:40:43,900
She said,
"I've called the media,
722
00:40:43,983 --> 00:40:47,028
and Dean gave them
the footage."
723
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:50,031
Initially, no one had
any critique about it.
724
00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:51,741
Dean had done another rad feat.
725
00:40:51,824 --> 00:40:53,076
You're watching Fox 13.
726
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,535
It was on the news
that night.
727
00:40:54,619 --> 00:40:56,037
A rock climber
who made his way
728
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,455
to the top of Delicate Arch�
729
00:40:57,538 --> 00:40:59,207
Dean Potter
is a professional climber
730
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:00,458
for Patagonia.
731
00:41:00,541 --> 00:41:01,709
It's a very difficult climb.
732
00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,044
I wouldn't recommend it.
733
00:41:03,127 --> 00:41:04,629
But it wasn't just
this puff piece.
734
00:41:04,712 --> 00:41:05,712
They were looking
735
00:41:05,755 --> 00:41:07,590
into regulations
possibly being broken.
736
00:41:07,674 --> 00:41:10,385
Potter says he was okay
to climb the arch,
737
00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:12,470
but park officials disagree.
738
00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:15,765
The leadership
in Arches National Park
739
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:17,100
got really pissed off.
740
00:41:17,183 --> 00:41:20,228
Immediately,
they changed the law.
741
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:23,022
Potter may be the last person
to climb Delicate Arch
742
00:41:23,106 --> 00:41:24,691
'cause the
National Park Service
743
00:41:24,774 --> 00:41:26,651
has new rules
in effect right now.
744
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:30,655
And then
the shitstorm started.
745
00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:33,324
It was headlining
national news.
746
00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:35,576
In the climbing community,
747
00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:36,995
people were pissed.
748
00:41:37,078 --> 00:41:40,957
Dean had provoked
new restrictions on climbing
749
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,168
with publicity,
with his arrogance,
750
00:41:44,252 --> 00:41:48,589
and his assumption that he
could do anything he wanted.
751
00:41:49,882 --> 00:41:53,511
We did not see that coming.
752
00:41:53,594 --> 00:41:55,096
I'm Tim Neville.
753
00:41:55,179 --> 00:41:57,724
I'm a correspondent
with "Outside" magazine.
754
00:41:57,807 --> 00:41:59,892
One of the big questions was,
755
00:41:59,976 --> 00:42:03,730
did he damage
this hallowed rock formation?
756
00:42:03,813 --> 00:42:06,357
I decided to send a
photographer out there to see.
757
00:42:06,441 --> 00:42:09,360
And he found damage�
758
00:42:09,444 --> 00:42:12,030
grooves clearly left by a rope
759
00:42:12,113 --> 00:42:16,200
right where they would have
been climbing and filming.
760
00:42:16,284 --> 00:42:19,495
Dean was adamant that
that damage was not his.
761
00:42:19,579 --> 00:42:21,289
I respected the rock,
762
00:42:21,372 --> 00:42:24,625
and I left it
exactly the way I found it.
763
00:42:24,709 --> 00:42:28,046
Dude, we were not the first
ones on top of this thing.
764
00:42:28,129 --> 00:42:30,673
There were already
these rope grooves
765
00:42:30,757 --> 00:42:33,092
right where
he was gonna climb.
766
00:42:33,176 --> 00:42:35,887
It was like the deep
forensics into, like,
767
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:39,974
the grooves and the stuff,
and I was like, oh, my gosh.
768
00:42:40,058 --> 00:42:42,268
This seems
a little over the top.
769
00:42:42,351 --> 00:42:45,271
I do remember
after the story broke,
770
00:42:45,354 --> 00:42:48,066
I got a one-line�
771
00:42:48,149 --> 00:42:52,987
a two-word email from Dean
that said "your scum,"
772
00:42:53,071 --> 00:42:54,739
and "you're"
was spelled wrong.
773
00:42:54,822 --> 00:42:57,742
And I was just like, "Okay."
774
00:42:57,825 --> 00:43:02,080
After that piece,
this thing snowballed.
775
00:43:02,163 --> 00:43:05,083
People started going
after Dean's sponsors.
776
00:43:05,166 --> 00:43:07,502
Suddenly, this became
about Patagonia
777
00:43:07,585 --> 00:43:11,798
as a supporter of acts
that harm our natural places,
778
00:43:11,881 --> 00:43:14,717
people writing emails,
postcards.
779
00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:16,594
"I'll never buy
Patagonia again."
780
00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:20,556
And it put Patagonia
in a really awkward position.
781
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,311
There was this effort to get
Dean to make an apology.
782
00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:29,273
Just apologize, and we could
sweep this crap under the rug.
783
00:43:29,357 --> 00:43:33,861
And Dean responded
in a Dean way.
784
00:43:36,322 --> 00:43:38,825
The big story in
the climbing world these days
785
00:43:38,908 --> 00:43:41,035
involves the famous climber
Dean Potter.
786
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:42,662
Yeah,
I was sitting in the room
787
00:43:42,745 --> 00:43:44,455
when he was doing
the NPR interview.
788
00:43:44,539 --> 00:43:47,250
I asked him why he decided
to climb the Delicate Arch.
789
00:43:47,333 --> 00:43:49,043
He goes,
"Winkie, what should I do?
790
00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:52,547
I mean, should I apologize?
What do I need to do here?"
791
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:55,133
And I go, "No, man.
Let's just say fuck the man.
792
00:43:55,216 --> 00:43:57,635
"Like, quote some Edward Abbey
793
00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,595
"and, like, throw
some other shit out there.
794
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:01,055
Fuck these people, man."
795
00:44:01,139 --> 00:44:04,809
And that was just
the wrong thing to do.
796
00:44:04,892 --> 00:44:06,727
You have a sponsor,
Patagonia,
797
00:44:06,811 --> 00:44:08,479
who wants you to apologize.
798
00:44:08,563 --> 00:44:10,064
- Can you do that or�
- No.
799
00:44:10,148 --> 00:44:12,358
For sure,
I do have some regrets.
800
00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:14,569
And I regret
the negative press
801
00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:18,156
that has come with my climb
of the Delicate Arch.
802
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,491
So it sounds like
what you're most sorry about
803
00:44:20,575 --> 00:44:23,369
is the way this has been
portrayed in the media.
804
00:44:23,452 --> 00:44:24,871
That's correct.
805
00:44:24,954 --> 00:44:27,456
I think
if you just keep it factual
806
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:30,418
that a man climbed up a rock
807
00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:32,628
and did no environmental harm,
808
00:44:32,712 --> 00:44:36,257
then I don't think that there
is anything to be sorry about
809
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:40,553
other than the negative energy
that ensued afterwards.
810
00:44:40,636 --> 00:44:44,056
Basically, I'm so sorry
that the general public
811
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:45,766
has its head up its ass
812
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:48,978
and doesn't understand
what this was all about.
813
00:44:49,061 --> 00:44:50,730
Definitely don't call me
814
00:44:50,813 --> 00:44:54,400
if you got
some sort of a media problem.
815
00:44:54,483 --> 00:44:56,402
I'm only going to make
things worse.
816
00:45:01,073 --> 00:45:04,368
His livelihood
was on the table,
817
00:45:04,452 --> 00:45:08,247
and he still didn't want
to say "sorry."
818
00:45:08,331 --> 00:45:11,626
He felt misunderstood
in the media world
819
00:45:11,709 --> 00:45:13,544
and betrayed
by a lot of people
820
00:45:13,628 --> 00:45:16,923
in the climbing community
that came out against him.
821
00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:18,174
It came down to,
822
00:45:18,257 --> 00:45:20,927
are we going to stay
associated with this guy?
823
00:45:21,010 --> 00:45:23,888
You know, Dean had made
this public claim
824
00:45:23,971 --> 00:45:27,892
that his climb of Delicate Arch
was performance art,
825
00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:31,729
that it represented
his spiritual connection
826
00:45:31,812 --> 00:45:33,064
to nature.
827
00:45:33,147 --> 00:45:35,274
And I just didn't buy
into that.
828
00:45:35,358 --> 00:45:40,154
You know, it was connected
to Dean's own self-promotion,
829
00:45:40,238 --> 00:45:43,658
and that made it bullshit.
830
00:45:48,037 --> 00:45:52,750
The decision was made
to part ways with Dean.
831
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,460
The fucked thing is,
832
00:45:54,543 --> 00:45:59,173
they severed the relationship
with Steph as well.
833
00:45:59,257 --> 00:46:01,425
Steph didn't make this plan,
834
00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:04,095
but they shitcanned them both.
835
00:46:04,178 --> 00:46:08,349
She had known for a while that
his sort of provocateur status
836
00:46:08,432 --> 00:46:10,351
was problematic,
837
00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:13,938
and now he destroyed
this relationship
838
00:46:14,021 --> 00:46:16,524
that was really important
to her.
839
00:46:18,901 --> 00:46:22,905
Steph and Dean
sort of started to fracture.
840
00:46:22,989 --> 00:46:26,033
Dean couldn't fucking deal.
841
00:46:26,117 --> 00:46:27,994
He just left.
842
00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:34,333
He left Steph in Moab,
843
00:46:34,417 --> 00:46:36,419
drove to Yosemite.
844
00:46:38,671 --> 00:46:40,923
He needed to be alone.
845
00:46:43,217 --> 00:46:46,220
This was Dean
going into dark mode.
846
00:46:49,015 --> 00:46:51,851
Covering his face
with a blanket,
847
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:54,020
sleeping for days.
848
00:46:56,188 --> 00:46:58,232
And a lot of people
have equated that
849
00:46:58,316 --> 00:47:01,444
with, like,
mental-health issues.
850
00:47:01,527 --> 00:47:03,863
You could call it
mental illness.
851
00:47:03,946 --> 00:47:06,490
You could call it
the dark side.
852
00:47:06,574 --> 00:47:09,285
But when it arrived,
853
00:47:09,368 --> 00:47:12,663
it was hard to deal with,
hard to explain.
854
00:47:16,042 --> 00:47:18,002
Looking back, it's like,
855
00:47:18,085 --> 00:47:20,379
we didn't really talk
about mental health,
856
00:47:20,463 --> 00:47:24,050
especially as, like,
a man in extreme sports.
857
00:47:24,133 --> 00:47:26,844
You know, you just took that
stuff, and you shoved it down.
858
00:47:28,888 --> 00:47:31,974
Dean and I had
an understanding.
859
00:47:32,058 --> 00:47:35,269
I had been going through
some of the same struggles
860
00:47:35,353 --> 00:47:38,356
that he had been experiencing�
861
00:47:38,439 --> 00:47:41,275
a lot of mood swings�
862
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:44,487
peaks, valleys, peaks, valleys.
863
00:47:44,570 --> 00:47:47,948
And we started
to talk about�
864
00:47:48,032 --> 00:47:50,868
whether it was�
865
00:47:50,951 --> 00:47:53,079
a condition.
866
00:47:53,162 --> 00:47:55,623
When Dean and Steph
were solid,
867
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:57,375
she had encouraged him
868
00:47:57,458 --> 00:47:59,752
to get
some mental-health care.
869
00:47:59,835 --> 00:48:01,879
He was given a prescription,
870
00:48:01,962 --> 00:48:04,048
went on medication,
871
00:48:04,131 --> 00:48:07,927
but he was terrified
that people would find out
872
00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:10,971
that he was taking this drug.
873
00:48:11,055 --> 00:48:13,057
You know, he threatened me,
874
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:17,895
like, "I will fucking kill you
if you tell anyone."
875
00:48:17,978 --> 00:48:22,733
After the Delicate Arch,
he stopped it, cold turkey.
876
00:48:22,817 --> 00:48:27,321
So the highs became higher,
and the lows became much lower.
877
00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:34,662
But for Dean�
878
00:48:34,745 --> 00:48:38,124
the mania could be
sort of a source
879
00:48:38,207 --> 00:48:41,293
of creative power.
880
00:48:43,671 --> 00:48:48,426
After the sadness
and the isolation�
881
00:48:48,509 --> 00:48:51,929
the ideas would start
bouncing around�
882
00:48:52,012 --> 00:48:54,390
maybe a sketch in his journal.
883
00:48:57,810 --> 00:49:02,565
The passion would get fanned
into a fire.
884
00:49:02,648 --> 00:49:06,152
All that angst
and all that anger�
885
00:49:06,235 --> 00:49:09,363
this is where he drew
his energy from.
886
00:49:11,449 --> 00:49:14,368
You know, "I'm going to show
those motherfuckers.
887
00:49:14,452 --> 00:49:16,745
I'm going to let
the fucking beast out."
888
00:49:18,622 --> 00:49:23,169
That's when shit, for me,
started to be scary.
889
00:49:28,674 --> 00:49:31,385
So Dean goes
on this soloing binge�
890
00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:37,808
Trying to free solo all these
routes that are rated 5.12.
891
00:49:41,312 --> 00:49:44,607
Nobody had done that
in Yosemite before.
892
00:49:52,281 --> 00:49:54,200
It was balls to the wall.
893
00:49:54,283 --> 00:49:55,493
Solo this thing.
894
00:49:55,576 --> 00:49:58,287
The same day,
we're driving to this point,
895
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:59,997
soloing another thing.
896
00:50:02,249 --> 00:50:04,335
It was this manic energy,
you know,
897
00:50:04,418 --> 00:50:06,629
and impulsiveness.
898
00:50:18,307 --> 00:50:21,477
I felt like Dean
was free soloing stuff
899
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,938
right at his physical limit.
900
00:50:25,397 --> 00:50:28,108
Like, sticking
his neck out there
901
00:50:28,192 --> 00:50:31,028
and just trying to survive.
902
00:50:32,821 --> 00:50:35,199
Whoo!
903
00:50:35,282 --> 00:50:39,620
I'm trying to leave
this body's limitations,
904
00:50:39,703 --> 00:50:42,498
trying to go
beyond the physical
905
00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:47,461
and not be hindered
by this carcass.
906
00:50:49,338 --> 00:50:53,050
The mind can bring you
beyond the body,
907
00:50:53,133 --> 00:50:56,262
but it's a super-fine line
908
00:50:56,345 --> 00:50:59,431
between bringing you
out of the body
909
00:50:59,515 --> 00:51:02,101
and breaking through
to the next level
910
00:51:02,184 --> 00:51:05,896
or bringing you
out of the body�
911
00:51:05,980 --> 00:51:08,399
and you're dead.
912
00:51:08,482 --> 00:51:10,568
Right before my solos,
913
00:51:10,651 --> 00:51:14,863
I feel sick to my stomach�
914
00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:16,865
but I have no control.
915
00:51:16,949 --> 00:51:18,909
I'm compelled to do it.
916
00:51:21,787 --> 00:51:24,832
I don't want to live
if I can't do it.
917
00:51:30,879 --> 00:51:34,300
And then there's Heaven.
918
00:51:36,051 --> 00:51:38,345
Heaven was at the edge
of his abilities.
919
00:51:45,185 --> 00:51:49,189
We knew that he could fall.
920
00:51:49,273 --> 00:51:50,357
You fall off that thing,
921
00:51:50,441 --> 00:51:53,402
you're going
for thousands of feet.
922
00:51:55,821 --> 00:51:59,116
He fully said to me,
he's like, "If I fucking die,
923
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:01,452
"get the shot.
924
00:52:01,535 --> 00:52:03,829
"Follow me to the ground.
Get the shot."
925
00:52:03,912 --> 00:52:05,497
Fucking dies, like,
I'm going to get the shot?
926
00:52:05,581 --> 00:52:06,790
No.
927
00:52:06,874 --> 00:52:08,959
Your body's getting tired.
928
00:52:12,421 --> 00:52:14,757
You're dealing
with this knowledge
929
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,010
that one mistake
means your life.
930
00:52:23,724 --> 00:52:25,517
But what I've seen is,
931
00:52:25,601 --> 00:52:28,103
when you're
in those situations,
932
00:52:28,187 --> 00:52:32,024
you have all this amazing
power inside of you,
933
00:52:32,107 --> 00:52:35,778
more power
than you can even imagine.
934
00:52:35,861 --> 00:52:38,781
- Whoo!
- Yeah!
935
00:52:38,864 --> 00:52:41,909
Whoo!
936
00:52:41,992 --> 00:52:43,994
Yeah!
937
00:52:44,078 --> 00:52:46,580
Yeah!
938
00:52:46,664 --> 00:52:48,874
Whoo!
939
00:52:48,957 --> 00:52:51,377
Everyone's breathing
a sigh of relief�
940
00:52:53,045 --> 00:52:55,130
Like, yeah, man, he made it.
941
00:52:55,214 --> 00:52:58,634
Dude�
fucking impressive, Dean.
942
00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:02,471
I was, like, almost faint
before I started.
943
00:53:02,554 --> 00:53:04,181
Yeah,
it looked like you were.
944
00:53:04,264 --> 00:53:06,058
It was just like�
945
00:53:06,141 --> 00:53:09,186
This was the redemption
for the Arch.
946
00:53:09,269 --> 00:53:12,314
Unequivocally
that's what it was to him.
947
00:53:12,398 --> 00:53:15,150
Cocksuckers.
948
00:53:15,234 --> 00:53:17,736
It was like,
fuck you, doubters,
949
00:53:17,820 --> 00:53:19,780
fuck you, sponsors,
950
00:53:19,863 --> 00:53:21,990
fuck the park service.
951
00:53:22,074 --> 00:53:24,535
Nothing was going
to hold him back.
952
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:29,081
Yeah.
953
00:53:29,164 --> 00:53:31,041
And at that point,
954
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:34,044
he thought that he had
the magic cocktail.
955
00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:36,255
Part of me thinks I'm crazy,
956
00:53:36,338 --> 00:53:39,800
but every time you break
through a limitation,
957
00:53:39,883 --> 00:53:42,052
it's like, fuck, I can do this.
958
00:53:42,136 --> 00:53:43,971
I can do anything.
959
00:53:44,054 --> 00:53:46,014
He was also smoking
a lot of weed�
960
00:53:46,098 --> 00:53:47,558
just to put that out there.
961
00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:50,060
There are a lot of people�
962
00:53:50,144 --> 00:53:52,646
Oh, man,
you're eating chips again.
963
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:53,856
Mm-hmm.
964
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,905
At some point,
965
00:54:01,989 --> 00:54:04,575
Steph called me and said,
"Hey, I'm worried about Dean.
966
00:54:04,658 --> 00:54:07,703
"I haven't heard from him.
Tell him to call me, please.
967
00:54:07,786 --> 00:54:09,413
I need to talk to him."
968
00:54:09,496 --> 00:54:11,039
He just shut her out.
969
00:54:11,123 --> 00:54:13,041
He was like,
"Don't return her calls."
970
00:54:13,125 --> 00:54:16,086
It's good when you were
calming stuff down today, man.
971
00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:18,672
It was awesome to have bros
that could do that.
972
00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:24,261
She drove to Yosemite
to find him.
973
00:54:24,344 --> 00:54:26,680
I don't know what was said,
but Katie Arnold,
974
00:54:26,764 --> 00:54:28,682
the journalist,
happened to be there.
975
00:54:28,766 --> 00:54:31,977
I was doing a piece
about Dean for ESPN.
976
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:34,021
I get to Yosemite
977
00:54:34,104 --> 00:54:37,483
to find Dean and Steph
in the middle
978
00:54:37,566 --> 00:54:42,029
of some kind
of really traumatic altercation
979
00:54:42,112 --> 00:54:44,281
and was like, holy shit.
980
00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:49,077
I'm witnessing
the end of their marriage.
981
00:54:49,161 --> 00:54:51,705
My understanding is that,
you know,
982
00:54:51,789 --> 00:54:54,458
he wore his wedding ring
around his neck.
983
00:54:54,541 --> 00:54:58,921
He just pulled it off,
tossed it to her, you know.
984
00:54:59,004 --> 00:55:01,924
He's like, "I want freedom.
985
00:55:02,007 --> 00:55:03,592
I want to be free."
986
00:55:05,844 --> 00:55:08,889
You know, Steph�
987
00:55:08,972 --> 00:55:10,891
she's the love of my life,
988
00:55:10,974 --> 00:55:13,602
and I always thought that
that was
989
00:55:13,685 --> 00:55:16,188
the most important thing
for me, was love.
990
00:55:18,398 --> 00:55:23,237
But I'm uncontrollably drawn
away from the thing
991
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,823
I thought I loved the most.
992
00:55:25,906 --> 00:55:28,367
No matter how hard
Steph tried
993
00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:30,202
to make their relationship
994
00:55:30,285 --> 00:55:34,331
a place of safety and peace�
995
00:55:34,414 --> 00:55:37,751
Dean didn't want safety.
996
00:55:39,753 --> 00:55:43,632
He was willing to go places
997
00:55:43,715 --> 00:55:47,177
that before
were just too frightening.
998
00:55:54,852 --> 00:55:58,397
That's the moment
where he's untethered,
999
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,941
literally untethered.
1000
00:56:08,448 --> 00:56:11,159
He was pushing the edge
1001
00:56:11,243 --> 00:56:14,037
so far out�
1002
00:56:14,121 --> 00:56:16,164
that he took the tether off.
1003
00:57:12,054 --> 00:57:13,722
Fuck!
1004
00:57:13,805 --> 00:57:15,515
Fuck!
1005
00:57:21,813 --> 00:57:25,943
Dean was in a bad way.
1006
00:57:26,026 --> 00:57:29,071
I started to realize�
1007
00:57:32,908 --> 00:57:36,161
His only therapy�
1008
00:57:36,244 --> 00:57:37,955
was the death consequence.
1009
00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:55,263
When I'm leashless
out on the line�
1010
00:57:58,141 --> 00:58:01,019
Or on the rock free solo�
1011
00:58:03,897 --> 00:58:08,276
I need total concentration,
1012
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:09,778
or I'll die.
1013
00:58:11,655 --> 00:58:16,493
Somehow,
when my life's on the line�
1014
00:58:16,576 --> 00:58:19,621
it brings my senses
1015
00:58:19,705 --> 00:58:22,332
to a heightened state�
1016
00:58:22,416 --> 00:58:25,127
of calmness and clarity.
1017
00:58:29,172 --> 00:58:31,550
It's the most powerful feeling
1018
00:58:31,633 --> 00:58:34,344
I've ever experienced.
1019
00:58:43,437 --> 00:58:45,105
Whoo!
1020
00:58:49,151 --> 00:58:50,777
Aah!
1021
00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:52,446
Aah!
78065
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