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David did use prostitutes,
on a fairly industrial level.
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I'd had sex with him. For money.
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I was cleared of any involvement in my
husband's disappearance 26 years ago.
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You are beginning to scare me.
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I just want to know when I
can visit him. He's my dad.
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"Nightlife supremo David Walker
and party donor Colin Osborne."
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I'm not sure of our position,
discussing Colin's departure.
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- How much?
- Five thousand.
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If you threaten my family's future again,
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I will hurt you very badly.
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This travel card was found
in an office desk of his.
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When was that time Marion broke in?
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You're not my friend, Zoe.
You're just another patient
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I'll forget as soon as you've gone.
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But Elise says you told
her it was about a murder.
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What did you tell them?
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So we have one IRA activist, Sinead Quinn,
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the murder of a Tory party fund-raiser,
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and linking them, we have Marion Kelsey.
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♪ All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is All we do is hide away
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♪ All we do is lie and wait
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♪ All we do is All we do is lie and wait
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♪ I've been upside down
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♪ I don't wanna be the right way round
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♪ I've found paradise on the ground ♪
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- Hi.
- Hi.
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- I thought you'd be asleep.
- Flo had a nightmare.
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Oh, no. Is she all right now?
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Fine, yeah. I think she's
just feeling a bit unsettled.
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Yeah. Sorry about that. The brief
came in just as I was leaving --
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Your clerk said you weren't in the office.
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Well, I went to the Oaks to
have some supper while I worked.
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What was it like, Col?
The City in the '80s?
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Was it really as brutal as everyone says?
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Why don't you just ask me outright, Simon?
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Did it screw me up so much I
could have killed someone?
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Did it?
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No, it didn't.
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I know I've messed up
here, hugely. But please...
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.. please, can I never have
to answer that question again?
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- Hello.
- Hi.
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I went for a drive.
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To... think how I could explain
to you what happened to me.
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What happened to you? Someone
did this to you, did they?
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You had nothing to do with the decision?
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Of course I had something to do with it.
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What I wanted to explain was...
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.. at that point in my life I
believed -- wrongly, obviously --
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that I had no other choice.
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Since when does becoming a prostitute...
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What has to have gone wrong
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for that to be the best option
available? You weren't a kid, Sara.
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This was 1989. You were 21.
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And I, I know you lost your parents,
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and I know school hadn't
worked out for you,
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and I know life had been tough, but this?
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So please, please explain to
me what happened in your life
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that made having sex with men
for money your only option?
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I don't know.
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I just...
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.. I'd lost my way.
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This man, the one that died?
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I was abroad when he died. It wasn't me.
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- Where?
- It was when I was in Italy.
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You've heard me talk about Italy
a million times. It was then.
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And you can prove that, can
you, with specific dates?
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- To you, or the police?
- The police.
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I don't know. I think so.
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I think I have photos,
but I'd need to check.
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But if I can't, Hass, I
swear on our children's lives
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whatever happened to him, it wasn't me.
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- I'll sleep in the spare room.
- Please, Hassan --
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We never speak to anyone
else about this, Sara.
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It never leaves our house.
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Please. Ever.
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You've... You've broken my heart, my love.
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You've broken my heart.
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Thank you for coming with me.
It helped, having you there.
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You know, my kids aren't
much younger than you,
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and, um, their dad... he
died when they were little.
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And I know it's different
because you've only just learnt,
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but if you ever wanted
to, um, compare notes,
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you know, over a beer,
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I think they'd be very happy to.
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You... You know there's, um,
something, not... right with me.
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You... With my, ah... wiring.
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So what I'm saying is, um,
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that I, I'd like a beer.
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But I never really get asked,
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so, um, I might be shit at it.
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Luckily they're both very good at beer.
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So I'm sure they could show you the ropes.
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Shall I text you some dates?
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- Yeah, I'd, I'd like that.
- OK.
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Thanks again.
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- Hope you feel better.
- Thanks, sweetheart.
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- Bye, Mum.
- Bye.
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- Yousef?
- I'm late.
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.. and we haven't been able to
locate any details of your movements
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between your last contact with David
and when you reported him missing.
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Is it possible that you could
just jot something down for us?
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You want me to remember what I was
doing for 48 hours 27 years ago?
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Tragically, I'm sure those few
days are engrained in your memory.
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Yeah. I'll do my best.
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Thank you, Tessa.
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- 'Speak to you soon.'
- Yeah.
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OK. So what about Colin?
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I presume a place like
the Maudsley is secure?
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Well, it'll have secure
units, but it's not a prison,
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so I imagine if you wanted
to get out, you could.
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To kill a man?
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Fran's talking to the hospital today,
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checking up on what records they have.
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- And any joy with Sinead Quinn?
- Not yet.
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We know she was released from Holloway
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- under the Good Friday
agreement. - Yeah.
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But that's about it so far.
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OK.
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Marion? Zoe was supposed to
be here for an 11:30 chemo.
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Oh. Do you want me to call her parents?
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No, it's all right. I'll do it.
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Mr Osborne left us in late 1990,
following an incident here
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on the evening of March 16, 1990.
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An allegation was made
by a temp, Maria Gonzalez,
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that at some point during
a bonus celebration party,
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a serious sexual assault was
perpetrated by Mr Osborne on her
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in an office lavatory cubicle.
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What, sexual assault?
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She said he raped her.
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Sorry -- we've done a full sweep
of Mr Osborne's criminal history,
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and there's no record
of any rape allegation.
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Well, no, there -- there wouldn't be.
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Um... it was handled internally.
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For various reasons, it was
never reported to the police.
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- Sorry!
- Are you dumb, bruv?
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Yousef! What's up?
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You're not under arrest.
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You're free to end this
interview whenever you like.
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I'm just going to ask, Sara, what
sort of services you offered.
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Just normal.
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- Just straight sex?
- Yeah.
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Which is what your
friend Samira Khan said.
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However, we do now know
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that, ah, David Walker's sexual
tastes were not that normal.
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He both liked to hurt
and be hurt by women.
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University College Hospital,
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less than 100 yards from
your old Kings Cross flat.
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do you remember attending UCH A&E
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on 16 February 1990?
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The same day, in fact,
that you sent your address
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to David Walker's pager?
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No.
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The hospital records
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show that you presented with
a suspected dislocated jaw.
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You don't recall sustaining
this rather serious injury?
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Not really.
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It was an occupational hazard.
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Well, indeed.
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We were wondering if it was David
Walker that inflicted this injury.
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- I don't remember him.
- And next time he turned up,
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- he got even more
violent with you -- - No.
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- -- and in self-defence...
- No. I don't remember this man.
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When he was murdered,
I was living in Italy.
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So you say you left the UK in March, Sara,
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- and went to Europe for nine months.
- I don't "say" it. I did.
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- Where did you stay?
- Hostels, pensions. I moved around.
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- Was that on your own?
- Yeah.
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- Did you work?
- Yeah. In bars and clubs.
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- So you have no payslips, or...
- It was cash in hand.
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Did you make any friends
who could vouch for you?
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I made friends, yeah. The
sort you do on holiday.
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But none I could remember 30 years later.
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Mm.
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We just need some proof, Sara,
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- that you --
- You've already said.
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Check passport records,
or however you do it.
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We're in the process of doing
that. But it's not that easy.
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So anything else you can give
us will be enormously helpful.
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OK. Thank you for your time.
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Sorry -- one thing.
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Just upping sticks like that and
heading off abroad for nine months --
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it's quite a big deal, isn't it?
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Anything in particular prompt that move?
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It wasn't any one thing, if
that's what you're implying.
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It was my life.
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I knew if I'd stayed any
longer, I would have died.
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And I wanted to live.
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We'll be in touch.
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Her parents thought she was here.
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So when I called, they looked
in her room and found her diary.
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Were you drinking with her two nights ago?
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Absolutely not. I mean,
I -- I was in the pub,
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but I went there on my own.
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But you told her to
leave? She was under age,
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- and it was completely inappropriate?
- Yes, I did.
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Then can you explain
why it says in her diary
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that you bought her a Malibu and orange?
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- I bought her one drink.
- Oh.
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I let her sit with me for two
minutes, and then I left.
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OK.
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Well, I need to speak to my line manager.
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- I think you need to go home.
- What?
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How can you not get, you completely
overstepped the boundaries?
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- Nicola, please --
- She's a 17-year-old kid,
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with a very weakened immune system.
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You're meant to be caring for
her, not getting her drunk.
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- Your judgement's gone.
- I'm so sorry. I, I...
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I'm not in a good place at home.
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A few things in my personal
life that's going wrong.
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- Can I please speak to the parents?
- No, you're going nowhere near them.
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They're on their way here,
and they're not happy.
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- Go home, Marion.
- Did she say anything in her diary
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- about where she was going?
- No, and she's not answering her phone.
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No one has any idea where she is.
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And it was a woman who
made the allegation?
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'Yes. Why?'
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Because Colin Osborne's gay.
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Right...
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Well, I'm going to try and track her down,
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and I've got the name of the
lawyer from Klein Egerton
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who handled it at the time.
I think he's still alive.
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- We'll speak to you later.
- 'OK, guv.'
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Maybe it was this that
prompted his breakdown.
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The timing seems a bit
coincidental, doesn't it?
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Though how it connects to David Walker...
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- If it even does.
- If it even does. Yeah.
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You took your time.
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Whatever it is, bro, it can't be that bad.
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- Mate, I'm telling you.
- Yeah. Except you ain't.
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You've got to swear, Mus,
you never tell anyone.
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Not Ollie, not Piot -- no one.
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I promise, man. It's cool.
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'This is Zoe. Leave a voicemail.'
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- 'Marion? You OK?'
- I'm in trouble, Tony.
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- Where are you?
- 'Borough Market.'
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Stay there. I'm coming now.
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We need more.
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We need to buy furniture and stuff.
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- We haven't enough.
- I told your boyfriend, no more.
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- I'll tell about the car.
- Go ahead, tell.
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You're not getting another
fucking cent out of me.
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- 'Boss?'
- Jake.
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I just had a phone call
245
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off the woman that researched the
society photos of David Walker.
246
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Right. The woman from the local
conservative party office?
247
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Yeah. Name of Mandy Halcross.
248
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It turns out she's worked there for
years in one capacity or another,
249
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but her very first job there was in 1989.
250
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Her mum ran the canteen, and she
helped out in the summer holidays.
251
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'Right.'
252
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So she was 12 years old
in the summer of '89.
253
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'She'd never told anyone this before,
254
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because she's always felt too ashamed,
255
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but she just told me that during
that five-week holiday period,
256
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on two separate occasions,
257
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David Walker sexually assaulted her.'
258
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- 'Boss, are you there?'
- Yeah, I'm here.
259
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How credible did you feel she was?
260
00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:45,890
Well, there were no witnesses,
there'll be no forensic,
261
00:20:45,940 --> 00:20:48,410
the suspect's dead,
262
00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:51,540
so all I've got to go on here is instinct.
263
00:20:52,740 --> 00:20:54,540
'I believed her.'
264
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'It's nearly 30 years since
this happened to her.'
265
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I'm the first person she's ever told,
266
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and...
267
00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,330
.. it still ripped her apart when she did.
268
00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:08,890
'There are no newspapers involved.
There's no conspiracy website.'
269
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'She has absolutely nothing to
gain by telling me what she did.'
270
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So yeah, I believed her, 100%.
271
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Get everyone together for a full briefing.
272
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- We'll be back in half-an-hour.
- 'Guv.'
273
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I don't know the man they're asking
about! I'd never have hurt anyone!
274
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,070
I mean, I know you know that, but...
275
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,270
the thing is, the police
found out other stuff
276
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about some people I... hung
about with in the '80s,
277
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- that I shouldn't have.
- What people?
278
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I, I lived in a flat,
279
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I shared a flat, I shared a...
280
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I shared a bed, with a woman...
281
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,040
.. called Sinead Quinn, who...
282
00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:01,960
She was a...
283
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,560
- .. a Republican.
- What do you mean, a republican?
284
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An Irish Republican. IRA.
285
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,790
- No!
- I was fucked up, Tony. I --
286
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,190
- When was this?
- It was in the late '80s.
287
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,310
This -- this is Enniskillen!
288
00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,910
This is the Baltic Exchange!
How long were you with her?
289
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,550
- Not more than a year.
- A YEAR?
290
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,830
- I never met -- I never saw any --
- You slept with someone
291
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,950
- who thinks blowing up kids is --
- But like I said,
292
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,230
- I was messed up, Tony.
- Oh, we know you were messed up.
293
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,640
We've known for years. What no one
has the remotest idea of is why!
294
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,040
Jesus Christ.
295
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,390
How two sisters, with exactly
the same upbringing --
296
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,990
I was wondering how long it'd be
till you brought my sister in.
297
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,630
- I'm not bringing her in --
- If she's so marvellous, Tony,
298
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,120
why didn't you just marry her?
You always wanted to fuck her!
299
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,790
- Do you know, I have no
idea who you are. - Really?
300
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,430
Oh, that's it? Walk away? Off you go!
301
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,480
Bye!
302
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,630
You know what, Marion?
303
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,380
I'm beginning to think you
could have done anything!
304
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,910
If he abused a kid,
305
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,430
I don't give a toss what
happened to him in the past.
306
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,710
In fact, if he was abused as a
kid, it makes it almost worse.
307
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,760
He'd know. He'd know how appalling it was.
308
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,760
Except he would have been a very
messed-up human being himself.
309
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,720
- Obviously.
- Yeah. Sorry, I don't buy that.
310
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,760
What do you mean, you don't buy that?
311
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,190
It's just a fact.
312
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,780
It's not my opinion, it's a f...
313
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,140
Oh, for God's sake. Come on, move, move!
314
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,510
- Yus! What's up?
- Oh my days, Jamal.
315
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,910
- You'll never guess what.
- What?
316
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,360
- Well, he told me not
to say anything. - What?
317
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,620
Seriously, what do you
mean, you don't buy it?
318
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,750
Do you really want to get into this?
319
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,790
A person who's been sexually abused
as a child would be very damaged.
320
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,630
Yes, and? It doesn't give them a
right to abuse other kids, does it?
321
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,630
No, of course it doesn't. Bloody right.
322
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,790
I'm not trying to justify it.
323
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,630
- I mean trying to understand.
- Understanding paedophiles. Nice.
324
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,070
No, no. Hang on, hang on.
When a kid who's been abused
325
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,430
goes off the rails and
does something awful,
326
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,470
we don't just dismiss
them as monsters, do we?
327
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,670
- No, because they're children.
- Right. Right.
328
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,750
So when does that kid suddenly
stop deserving some understanding?
329
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,350
Was it on their 10th birthday?
Or their 12th? Their 14th?
330
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,670
- How about when they're an adult?
- Ah -- no.
331
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,110
That's when we let them
take proper responsibility,
332
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,070
punish them and protect society from them.
333
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,870
Why the hell does it also mean
we stop trying to understand them?
334
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,590
So maybe they don't do it again.
335
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,190
Because most abuse victims
don't go and abuse others.
336
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,190
The ones that do choose to,
337
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,550
and that is definitely
beyond my understanding.
338
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,720
Are we done?
339
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,030
So as of today, we are splitting
the investigation into two strands.
340
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,310
The first will follow our
existing line of enquiry,
341
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,550
that one of our persons of
interest murdered David Walker
342
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,110
because of some connection
around the time of his death.
343
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,830
Sara Mahmoud's as a prostitute.
344
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,830
We're looking at a possible
IRA motive with Marion Kelsey.
345
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,350
His wife remains of interest,
for obvious reasons.
346
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,990
And then Colin Osborne,
the only person so far
347
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,550
that we've conclusively proved
actually met David Walker.
348
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,270
Murray, I want you to focus
all your attention now
349
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,150
on finding the Klein Egerton
temp, Maria Gonzalez,
350
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,990
and Fran, we really need
to speak to Sinead Quinn.
351
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,070
Any news yet on Colin and
Sara's alibis for May 8?
352
00:25:57,120 --> 00:26:00,510
- We're still waiting on both.
- OK, so keep on that.
353
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,480
And then, we move into
very different territory.
354
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,430
We already know David
Walker had a lot of secrets.
355
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,630
And now it seems we've just found another.
356
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,790
So myself, Jake and DI Khan
357
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,670
are starting a second line of enquiry,
358
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,430
to investigate if David
Walker was murdered
359
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,830
not because he was going to
expose what happened to him,
360
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,590
30 years before his death,
361
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,630
and not because of any of these reasons,
362
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,950
but maybe as retribution
363
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,870
for sexual abuse he committed himself.
364
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,790
Now, two of these at least,
365
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,550
Colin Osborne and Sara Mahmoud,
366
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,590
have dysfunction in their lives
367
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,870
very consistent with childhood trauma.
368
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,630
All of them seem to have had some
sort of connection with David Walker
369
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,080
in the months before he died.
370
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,790
I think we have to
consider the possibility
371
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,030
that one, and maybe all of them,
372
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,590
were victims of David Walker as children,
373
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,390
and then, years later, took their revenge.
374
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,790
So I want to interrogate every single
aspect of David Walker's adult life,
375
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,880
from when he left school to when he died.
376
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,750
OK?
377
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,560
- [Yes, ma'am.]
- Thank you.
378
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,780
I assume we're going to
speak to the wife first?
379
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,240
Why don't I do her?
380
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,280
Start chasing down his past.
381
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,310
Right... but obviously
she can't read anything,
382
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,100
because you've got a password on it?
383
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,030
Oh, Jesus, Col.
384
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,420
I kept meaning to. I just --
385
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,990
I forgot. I'm sorry.
386
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,750
Right. Well, what is on there, then,
that we need to be worried about?
387
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:59,710
Um, you texted me after I told you
about the police interviewing me.
388
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,030
- Oh, you are joking!
Jesus, Colin! - No!
389
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,230
OK. Look.
390
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,470
She's a smack addict.
391
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,710
Chances are, ten minutes after she
nicked it, she sold it for 20 quid.
392
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,060
Chances are, we will be fine.
393
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:19,030
- Daddy!...
- OK?
394
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,200
I think it's all going to
be absolutely fine. Coming!
395
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,470
- How?
- I'm not sure.
396
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,230
I guess he must have heard us last night.
397
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,430
You know, told someone, who told someone.
398
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,350
I think the school might know as well.
399
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,140
So we'll have to tell the other two.
400
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,710
My colleague, DI Khan, is
speaking to Mrs Halcross again now.
401
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,870
But from the conversation
we've already had with her,
402
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,910
we're fairly confident
403
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,200
that we're talking about the
indecent assault of a child under 13.
404
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,550
If this is true, I promise you,
405
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,000
I knew nothing, absolutely
nothing about it.
406
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,070
Which is why I know you'll want
to help us as much as you can.
407
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,870
You don't need to use that,
408
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,350
that voice we use to make
them think we're their friend.
409
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,270
I'll tell you what I know
because I'm a decent person,
410
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,860
not because I think you like me.
411
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,160
When we first met, you mentioned
that David did some voluntary work.
412
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,500
What sort of stuff exactly?
413
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,990
He worked at our local hospital,
414
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,120
and at a nearby reform school.
415
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,680
He did stuff for a local
children's charity.
416
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,940
I'm going to need an exact list, please.
417
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,190
Names of the institutions, and dates.
418
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,510
And the... the timeline I asked for,
419
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,150
detailing your movements in
the days before his death.
420
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,070
Jason, Jason -- no!
421
00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:31,410
- No, he was in tears afterwards.
- 'Ah. Good.'
422
00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:34,020
He was incredibly apologetic.
423
00:31:35,260 --> 00:31:38,810
I just think he's got enough
crap to deal with right now.
424
00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:42,370
- 'Assaulting a police officer...'
- It wasn't an assault.
425
00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:44,770
- It's a serious offence, guv.
- 'No, it was an accident.'
426
00:31:44,820 --> 00:31:46,970
'He was... highly emotional.'
427
00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:49,730
'I don't care whether it
was an accident or not!'
428
00:31:49,780 --> 00:31:51,370
Then fine.
429
00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:55,170
Let's just hope he doesn't go on
to do something more serious, eh?
430
00:31:55,220 --> 00:32:00,170
- I'll see you tomorrow.
- 'Night.'
431
00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:01,940
Grub's up.
432
00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:10,900
What is it?
433
00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:21,610
You're drying up. What is it you want?
434
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:24,530
Just thought it might make you smile.
435
00:32:24,580 --> 00:32:26,290
Cos you haven't, in a while.
436
00:32:26,340 --> 00:32:29,540
- That's rubbish. I smile loads.
- Do you?
437
00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:33,610
Well, I would, if you two
didn't spend half your lives
438
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,450
trying to drive me round the bloody bend.
439
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,220
We don't do it deliberately.
440
00:32:42,140 --> 00:32:44,480
I'm sorry, Gem. It's just...
441
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:48,170
I've worked hard, and I'm tired.
442
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:50,210
Do you want us to stay
at Mum's this weekend,
443
00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:53,340
- give you some time off?
- No.
444
00:32:53,980 --> 00:32:55,900
Not at all.
445
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:11,300
We thought we'd tell you the truth
before you heard it anywhere else.
446
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:14,730
I'll speak to the school tomorrow,
and let them know what's happened.
447
00:33:14,780 --> 00:33:17,770
What are my friends gonna say?
448
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:20,850
It might be an idea for you
to take a few days off,
449
00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:23,250
till things blow over.
450
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:25,210
You know the way I feel with it, Ali?
451
00:33:25,260 --> 00:33:28,450
I just see that woman
as a different person.
452
00:33:28,500 --> 00:33:31,530
Sara Alazi was not your mum.
453
00:33:31,580 --> 00:33:35,610
Sara Mahmoud is who she is.
454
00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:38,690
Your lovely mum, my lovely wife.
455
00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:41,410
- They'll rip the piss out of me!
- Ali, there's no need to swear.
456
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:44,860
- It's disgusting! Disgusting!
- Sweetheart, please. I'm sorry.
457
00:33:45,460 --> 00:33:47,730
- Get off me!
- Ali, stop it.
458
00:33:47,780 --> 00:33:49,820
Get off me!
459
00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:06,930
- What the hell have you done?
- Don't blame me. - You told everyone!
460
00:34:06,980 --> 00:34:09,130
She's the one who did
it in the first place!
461
00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:11,370
- She? Who the hell's SHE?
- Leave me alone!
462
00:34:11,420 --> 00:34:14,780
- That's your mother!
- Ahmed! Shush! Calm down.
463
00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:20,580
So where is he now?
464
00:34:21,780 --> 00:34:23,690
Egham. They moved there from Winchester.
465
00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:27,610
- But you've not been there?
- Not yet.
466
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:29,810
So you are planning to go?
467
00:34:29,860 --> 00:34:31,580
Yes.
468
00:34:33,700 --> 00:34:36,700
And what are you planning on
saying when you go to Egham?
469
00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:41,820
With his wife there, who probably
never knew anything about it either?
470
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:46,410
I'll wait, till he goes
outside on his own.
471
00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:48,860
Right. What, and follow him?
472
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:52,930
OK.
473
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:55,250
And then what, Shoestring?
474
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:59,620
- I'll introduce myself.
- Mm. Mm.
475
00:35:00,980 --> 00:35:02,890
So talk me through that.
476
00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:08,410
"Hi, I'm Martin. You had sex
with my wife 20 years ago --
477
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:12,050
I just wondered if we could chat."
478
00:35:12,100 --> 00:35:16,490
That is probably borderline
illegal, what you're doing, anyway,
479
00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:19,650
and I can't imagine for one second
it's going to make you feel better.
480
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:25,770
I mean, he's rich, and
hilarious, and supersmart.
481
00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:27,730
Does that make you feel better?
482
00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:33,450
Or he's a horrible runty
little goblin with halitosis.
483
00:35:33,500 --> 00:35:35,500
Does that?
484
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:40,490
Or he's ordinary. Like you. Like me.
485
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:44,610
Don't make a joke of
it, please, with Adam.
486
00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:47,170
- What do you mean, a joke?
- You do that sometimes.
487
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:48,890
You find everything funny.
488
00:35:48,940 --> 00:35:50,940
I absolutely do not.
489
00:35:53,780 --> 00:35:56,060
- Hey, guys. - Hi. - Hi.
490
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:04,780
- What happened to your face?
- Oh, it's a, it's a work thing.
491
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:10,770
Granddad, have you been beating Mum again?
492
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:14,570
Not yet, but give it a few days.
She's a cheeky little sod.
493
00:36:14,620 --> 00:36:19,970
Right. Beer. And you can
make an old man very happy
494
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:22,820
by telling him about your girlfriend.
495
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:32,050
I have to put my child first, Tess.
496
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:35,660
I know you'll understand that.
497
00:36:42,540 --> 00:36:45,450
He'd never hurt Becca. He loves her.
498
00:36:45,500 --> 00:36:48,930
I'm not really talking
about physical violence.
499
00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:51,620
No... No, no, Paul.
500
00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:53,940
She's 15.
501
00:36:56,620 --> 00:36:58,330
How can you even begin to...
502
00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:02,370
You clearly had no idea what
sort of person your husband was.
503
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:05,420
Why should it be any different with Jason?
504
00:37:07,820 --> 00:37:11,340
- Cos I'm his mother.
- And he's his father's son.
505
00:37:13,580 --> 00:37:15,930
I'm sorry. I really am.
506
00:37:15,980 --> 00:37:19,500
But Becca's my only concern right now.
507
00:37:21,460 --> 00:37:23,460
I'll call you.
508
00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:28,420
I'll be staying at my sister's for now.
509
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:32,020
I just need a little time to
work out what's best for us all.
510
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:36,780
I do love you.
511
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:11,700
Sara?
512
00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:15,460
Sara!
513
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,500
Sara, are you there?
514
00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:24,770
Can you hear me, Sara?
515
00:38:24,820 --> 00:38:26,410
I just want you to know,
516
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:29,370
we're all here for you
if you want to talk.
517
00:38:29,420 --> 00:38:31,980
Any of you.
518
00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:49,450
Well, yes. There were some rumours,
519
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:54,570
about how Mr Walker was with
some of the kids on the ward.
520
00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:57,820
Personally, I never saw
anything, of course.
521
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:00,740
Of course.
522
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:03,580
Yeah. Quinn.
523
00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:06,090
Yeah, that's right.
524
00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:09,850
She was released as part of
the Good Friday agreement.
525
00:39:09,900 --> 00:39:14,940
We are looking for any kind
of address after December '99.
526
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:18,010
We'll be grateful.
527
00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:25,930
It was a kids' charity, and
Walker was a volunteer.
528
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:28,770
Well, we did have suspicions about him,
529
00:39:28,820 --> 00:39:31,570
but obviously I didn't
know anything for sure,
530
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:34,180
or I would have reported it.
531
00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:36,860
Obviously.
532
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:56,930
How was your mum?
533
00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:59,530
Irritating.
534
00:39:59,580 --> 00:40:02,450
- Any word from Zoe?
- Yeah. She's texted her parents.
535
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:04,490
She's fine, but, um,
536
00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:06,890
well, she's two days now
without any care, so...
537
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:08,610
What about us?
538
00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:14,170
I don't know. That's up to you,
I suppose. If you can forgive me.
539
00:40:14,220 --> 00:40:17,700
No, Maz. It isn't up to me.
540
00:40:18,660 --> 00:40:21,250
Because ever since I've known you,
541
00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,580
there's been this great
big wall around you.
542
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:28,720
It's always stopped me
getting past a certain point.
543
00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:30,930
And the simple fact is,
544
00:40:30,980 --> 00:40:33,940
that if you want us to survive...
545
00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:38,290
.. you've got to take it down.
546
00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:53,450
- Mr Osborne. Mr Osborne?
Mr Osborne! - Sorry?
547
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,210
Your daughter's school called.
548
00:40:55,260 --> 00:40:58,770
You were meant to pick her up an hour ago.
549
00:40:58,820 --> 00:41:03,940
Oh! Sorry. Excuse me. Sorry.
550
00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:20,860
Hey, you!
551
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:24,690
I'm so, so sorry!
552
00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:42,490
Yes, I was at that reform school.
553
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,690
Yes, we all knew what David Walker was.
554
00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:50,010
But we were kids who'd broken the law.
555
00:41:50,060 --> 00:41:53,930
Who was ever going to
believe a word we said?
556
00:41:53,980 --> 00:41:57,210
The truth is, a lot of
them didn't mind anyway,
557
00:41:57,260 --> 00:42:04,140
cos if they got friendly with
him, did wha t he wanted...
558
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:09,620
.. they'd get invited to the gatherings.
559
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:12,460
The gatherings?
560
00:42:29,660 --> 00:42:31,530
Sinead Quinn?
561
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:33,330
You're a hard woman to find.
562
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:38,210
DC Fran Lingley. I wonder if you
spare me five minutes of your time?
563
00:42:38,260 --> 00:42:40,330
- He just got his days mixed up.
- What I would say is,
564
00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:42,210
if you felt a family session could help...
565
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:45,050
.. to talk about time management...
566
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:46,930
Yeah, absolutely. Great idea.
567
00:42:46,980 --> 00:42:49,090
Do you need to get that?
568
00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:52,090
Yeah, sorry. That's probably him
on his way back home with Flora.
569
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:54,650
'No problem. I'll get you get
off, and tell him not to worry.'
570
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:56,890
- 'We've all been there.'
- Great. Thank you, Janet.
571
00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,210
- Speak tomorrow.
- 'OK, great. Bye.'
572
00:43:00,260 --> 00:43:03,170
- Hello?
- 'Is that Simon?'
573
00:43:03,220 --> 00:43:06,220
- Who's that?
- It's Tyler. How are you doing?
574
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:11,410
- What do you want?
- Straight to the point. I like that.
575
00:43:11,460 --> 00:43:14,370
And since you ask, what
we want is 20 grand,
576
00:43:14,420 --> 00:43:16,010
or we'll tell social services
577
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:19,100
about your husband being interviewed
in connection with a murder.
578
00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:24,130
Our witness, Ellen Harriet Price,
579
00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:27,530
told us that a number of
these... gatherings took place
580
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:30,650
between 1981 and 1983.
581
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:32,770
They were held at a house in Brentford,
582
00:43:32,820 --> 00:43:37,610
and Walker was a regular, as
were a number of other men,
583
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:39,490
from various walks of life.
584
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:44,050
But most importantly, they were
also regularly attended by children
585
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:47,610
from local care homes, local
Borstals and the streets.
586
00:43:47,660 --> 00:43:52,170
Now, these vulnerable kids were
plied with drink, and offered drugs,
587
00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:55,900
and then, on a number of
occasions, sexually assaulted.
588
00:43:57,140 --> 00:44:00,490
Now, I think we need to
consider the possibility
589
00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:03,890
that one of these people
was taken to this house,
590
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:05,970
assaulted by Walker,
591
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:08,850
and then, eight or nine years later,
592
00:44:08,900 --> 00:44:11,450
they've come across him again
and decided to take revenge.
593
00:44:11,500 --> 00:44:15,380
The question is, which?
594
00:44:18,580 --> 00:44:21,290
The IRA wouldn't have touched
her with a shitty stick.
595
00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:24,210
- Right. - She was a
messed-up, middle-class kid
596
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:26,650
wanting to piss off Mummy and Daddy.
597
00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,770
In fact, her commitment to the cause
was pretty accurately demonstrated
598
00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:34,220
when the police knocked on her
door about me a few years later.
599
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:40,580
Did you ever see her with this man?
600
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:47,810
No.
601
00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:50,570
But she showed me a photo of him once.
602
00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:53,010
Really?
603
00:44:53,060 --> 00:44:55,490
- This man? Are you sure?
- Yeah, I'm sure.
604
00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:57,130
In what context?
605
00:44:57,180 --> 00:45:00,130
She said he worked for the Tories,
had connections with Thatcher.
606
00:45:00,180 --> 00:45:02,490
She thought he was a potential target.
607
00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:04,890
Target?
608
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:08,570
We weren't interested. Too small-time.
609
00:45:08,620 --> 00:45:13,170
But aye, she wanted us to kill him.
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