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[MUSIC - "WHAT'S THIS?"]
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"Nightmare Before Christmas--"
that was a unique moment for me
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in my life that I've never had
anything quite like it since,
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because I'd always, as a
songwriter, with Oingo Boingo,
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and with the Mystic
Knights before that,
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I always kind of struggled
getting a song together.
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And usually, there's a process,
like what am I singing about?
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And I have a tune I like,
but I don't know what I'm--
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what's bothering me right
now, because frequently,
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I sung about things
that bothered me.
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I just don't want to write
things just to be obnoxious,
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like when I started
out, because that
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was enough in the beginning.
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Now, I'm looking for things
that I'm thinking about.
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It was hard.
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And I start "Nightmare
Before Christmas" with Tim,
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and so this was unique because
it's the first time in my life
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I'd written for a
character that wasn't me,
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the character I felt
a close kinship with.
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And as I wrote more and
more for Jack Skellington,
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he became more of my alter ego
that I felt was part of me,
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but that developed in the
course of writing 10 songs.
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It was unique because
there was no script.
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Tim and I did not know
how to begin a musical.
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There was no guidebook
or manual to look up
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on how to begin a
musical animation that
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doesn't have a script.
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He had a story.
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He had an outline.
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And that's what, basically,
he got the job from.
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I just knew what I
didn't want it to be.
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I didn't want it to
be a Broadway musical
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because, in that period,
I felt like Broadway
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had become an extension of
adult contemporary music.
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And so I wanted to write
something musically that
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was contemporary but retro,
meaning the songs were modern,
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but they also referred back
to things that were retro.
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In the sense, I was
trying to put together
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different eras of song
writing and trying
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to find a way to make
it sound like this
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could come from any era.
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So my great driving
influences were--
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obviously, Kurt Weill
was the biggest influence
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because I loved
"Threepenny Opera."
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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[NON-ENGLISH SINGING]
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There was also
Gilbert and Sullivan.
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I loved Gilbert and Sullivan.
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I think there's just nothing
better from the 19th Century.
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These are what I
took into the songs.
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We don't have a
script, but Henry
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is ready to start animating.
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We have to start coming
up with something.
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We just-- we're just behind.
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Let's just start with the tunes.
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OK, take out the drawings,
and I would say, just tell me
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what happens here.
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And he goes-- he starts
telling me the story,
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and I would start
hearing the tune.
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And he would have, sometimes,
little phrases, bits of lyrics
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that he had done.
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It's like, oh, that's
good, that's good,
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and I would shut them down.
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And I'd say, OK, that's it.
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Don't tell me anymore.
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Get out there, and I
run back to my studio.
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And we did this 10
times, and each song only
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took about three days to write.
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I'd call him back twice a
week to hear a new song.
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And I'd play him the
one that I just wrote,
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and he was like, oh, yeah,
OK, yeah, that's good.
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Well, what happens next?
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Now, Jack wanders
into the forest,
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and he's going to come
across these doors.
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And he gets pulled down,
and it's Christmasland,
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and he's never seen it.
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Everything is fresh.
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Everything is new.
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And it's like, yes, what's this?
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I got it.
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I got it.
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I got it.
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Get out of here.
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Get out of here.
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And he's-- OK, I'm going.
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I'm going.
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Go back.
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Write "What's This?"
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Lay down all the vocals.
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I was laying down all the
vocals for everything as I went.
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Comes back three
days later, and he
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hears, (SINGING) what's this?
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What's this?
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There's color everywhere.
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What's this?
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There's white things in the air.
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[MUSIC - "WHAT'S THIS?"]
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(SINGING) What's this?
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I can't believe my eyes.
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I must be dreaming.
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Wake up, Jack.
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This isn't fair!
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What's this?
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And he's going,
yeah, that's good.
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Now, what happens?
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And we just went the
whole way like that.
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And at points, it
was stuff that wasn't
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going to be in song at all.
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But it's like, Jack
calls a town meeting,
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and he's bringing
everybody, and he's
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going to explain what
they don't understand.
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He's trying to explain the
spirit of Christmasland
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to Halloween Land.
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And it wasn't a song.
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It was never intended
to be a song.
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But he's telling me
the story, and I go,
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this is a thing
called a present.
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The whole thing
starts with a box.
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A box?
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Is it filled with a pox?
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(IN A SILLY VOICE) A pox,
how delightful, a pox.
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(SPEAKING NORMALLY) No, no,
no, you don't understand.
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A box with bright colored paper,
(SINGING) and the whole thing's
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topped with a bow.
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(SPEAKING NORMALLY)
And now, it's a song.
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(SINGING) But why?
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(SINGING) How ugly.
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(SINGING) What's in it?
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What's in it?
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It's the point of
the thing not to know.
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It's a bat!
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Will it bend?
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It's a rat!
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Will it break?
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Perhaps it's the head
that I found in the lake.
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And there we went, and then
I started really having fun.
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(SINGING) Everyone,
please, now, not so fast.
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(SPEAKING NORMALLY) Now,
that little phrase is--
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I don't know.
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It's right out of--
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I don't know if it's
out of Cole Porter
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or it's out of something
from Gilbert and Sullivan
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or something in between.
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But every time I got
to those moments,
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I was really having fun.
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(SINGING) Ah dah-dah
bum bum bum bum bum.
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(SPEAKING NORMALLY)
It's like, I never
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get to do this unless
it's really silly,
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but here, I'm
putting it into song.
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And I love these archaic little
moments, musical moments,
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that I could grab and make a
hodgepodge, kind of a collage,
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of styles from different things.
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So within one song,
I might be going
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from Kurt Weill to Cole
Porter to Gilbert and Sullivan
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and then back to
Kurt Weill again.
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Who knows?
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But it was that easy.
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In that month,
there was actually,
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by the time we finished,
more than half the story,
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half the movie, was there.
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Half the movie was done in song.
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And it's like,
OK, what the hell?
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And Disney,
fortunately, let us be.
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They didn't have any
involvement in the process.
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Nobody came in.
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Nobody asked to hear anything.
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They were just like,
OK, you know what?
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We're at the point now where
let's let Tim and Danny go
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and do their thing.
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Let them go play,
and play we did.
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And since we had no
one to answer to,
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this is where, of course, we had
the most fun working together,
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because it really was like
that most of the time.
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It was only "Batman" that
there was producers and others
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and the studio involved,
but most of the time,
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we were left on our own.
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Nobody was paying
attention to what we were
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doing on "Edward Scissorhands."
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Nobody cared.
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It was a low budget movie,
and just go do your thing.
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But to do a musical at Disney--
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I didn't realize
until much later.
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I go, how could they
have allowed that?
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That's not in their mindset to
just let two people go run off
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and not say, so, gentlemen, let
us listen to what you're doing.
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They didn't.
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Now, was that our good fortune,
or was that their wisdom
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or a combination of the two?
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Whatever it is, I'm really
grateful for that now,
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because I think that's a
really rare thing for--
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just let a couple artists
just go and do their thing.
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And I realized-- here I
am, for the first time
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ever, writing through
another voice.
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And because it's
another voice, I
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didn't have to think about
what he's thinking about.
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I knew what he was
thinking about.
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Tim was telling me what
he's thinking about.
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He was showing me pictures,
and it was right there.
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And I go, I love this.
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There's no stressing over,
what is the character--
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what am I wanting to say?
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Of course, I know
what I want to say.
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I want to say, (SINGING)
what have I done?
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What have I done?
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How could I be so blind?
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(SPEAKING NORMALLY) Because he's
just crashed in the graveyard
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because he's screwed
up Christmas.
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There's not any stress
over what it's about.
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It's-- it's just right there.
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It's like, he's singing
about the story.
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And so "Nightmare Before
Christmas" was a rare thing.
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The actual creation
of the songs that
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ended up being such a
big portion of the film--
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it just was a rare
moment of synchronicity.
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Tim and I were in complete
synchronicity, and it's like,
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let's just do our
thing and have fun.
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