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Why does it begin, this quest
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to understand the unexplainable?
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For some it's later in life
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long after the wide-eyed optimism of youth
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has left them and they believe the answers
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to all life's mysteries are
easily found in the mundane.
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Maybe something happens to challenge
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their earth-bound assumptions
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and they're compelled to
discover what really happened.
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But some fall into the
mysterious at a young age
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and truly believe they can seek out
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new discoveries, new frontiers.
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Some no longer question
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whether these boundaries even exist
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or new revelations wait to be uncovered.
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They know that the universe
still keeps some secrets.
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They know because they've
heard the eyewitness stories,
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the accounts from good,
honest people of things
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that defy explanation.
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Or maybe they simply know
because in their search
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for legends, they've
seen one for themselves.
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We see this blood smear on the road.
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There was just a
tremendous amount of blood.
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We see off in the distance this shadow,
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large, black, sorta hunched over figure.
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The thing turns and we realize
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it's not a person.
Over the weekend
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It's this bird.
out by this ranch
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in the middle of nowhere.
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A large bird flying in
circles like the size
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of a single engine airplane.
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Driving and all of a sudden
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they said, "Oh my God."
Came into my bed.
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And he immediately woke up
I looked over and there was
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and catched
and there was
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a glimpse of this
a huge bird there,
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giant black bird.
so massive it could
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take up the whole window.
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Largest bird I've ever seen
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in my entire life.
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In the news today,
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yet another sighting of the
infamous Chicago Mothman.
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The Tribune is covering this
latest what they're calling
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flap about sightings of this
giant winged demonic thing
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people are seeing right
here in downtown Chicaco.
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A woman walking her dog
claimed she encountered
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a creature standing in the park.
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"I saw a large man probably
seven feet or taller
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"standing on the ground,"
according to the account
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published by Strickler.
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"It was solid black."
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In 2017, sightings
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of a giant flying creature
begin taking place
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around the city of Chicago.
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While the being seen by many
Chicagoans was said to be
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simply an abnormally large bird,
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the media soon dubbed
it the Chicago Mothman
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in reference to a similar
phantom seen in the skies
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above Point Pleasant, West Virginia,
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in 1966 and 1967.
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But what really stood out
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were the large, and I do mean large,
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pair of wings.
While the Chicago sightings
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drew the attention of
local and national media,
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unusual occurrences were nothing new
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to paranormal researchers
familiar with the Prairie State.
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We'll keep following this story
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in the days ahead no doubt
so keep it tuned right here
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to 97.1, The Lake.
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I began in cryptozoology
in the late '50s
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and one of the first
things that I investigated
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was a report of a black panther.
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And I went out with a game warden
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and I musta been 12 years old.
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They found tracks, they
interviewed the individual
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who said they saw a panther-like creature,
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got back in the truck with the game warden
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and he said, "They just saw a beaver."
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And that kind of made me
know what I was getting into
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that most people don't
believe these things,
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they don't really listen to witnesses.
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They go in with a pre-conceived notion
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and I wanted to be more open-minded
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and that's what I started doing.
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My name is Troy Taylor
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and I was born and raised in Illinois.
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I have lived all over
the state of Illinois.
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Currently I live in
Jacksonville, Illinois.
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My sole interest beginning in
anything that wasn't ghosts
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was because I read Loren
Coleman's book Mysterious America
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when I was in high school.
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The thing I loved about it
the most is that so many
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of his stories were based in Illinois
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and I didn't know why till
I saw an article about him
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in our local paper and realized
he was from Decatur, too.
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You know, it was Loren
who put me on the path
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of well, you know, there's a
lotta cool stuff in Illinois.
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I rarely meet people who
don't either know someone
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or have a family member who
had some sort of encounter
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in their life, in their entire lifetime.
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Even if they don't believe
in this kinda stuff,
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these things tend to happen
or are drawn to people.
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And I think that that seems
to make Illinois more haunted
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than other states but I
don't think that's the case.
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I think they're all very haunted
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or all drawn to the paranormal.
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It's just somebody's gotta
write this stuff down.
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Somebody's gotta collect it.
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I grew up in Illinois.
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I lived in Illinois most of my life
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from 1947 through 1975.
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And I really saw Illinois
as a little United States.
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The state of Illinois is a
lot bigger than people think.
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You try to drive tip to tip in Illinois,
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it's about an eight-hour drive.
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You have the urban area in Chicago,
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then the river area in the
northern part of the state.
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You've got Chicago, you've
got a big metropolitan area.
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In Northern Illinois,
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you have the Illinois River
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and all the bluffs and the
wooded areas and the canyons.
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And then you get into
the middle of the state
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where everything's flat.
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There just isn't a lot geographically
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across the middle of the
state that's unusual.
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To me there's nothing more beautiful
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than driving across that flat land
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and seeing a thunderstorm come toward you.
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But when you travel further south,
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then you get into a whole different area.
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Once you get to the
southern part of the state,
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you will swear you have left Illinois.
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And then southern
Illinois, Little Egypt,
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is a whole different country.
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It's like a little swampy
land, there's rolling hills.
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This is the edge of the Ozarks
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and there are mountains
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and hills and canyons and
rivers and it's a wild region.
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And you find that a lot
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of these strange
anomalous animal sightings
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all seem to come to the
southern part of the state.
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And then along the western edge,
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you have the Mississippi River
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which is completely different again.
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The town of Alton,
Illinois, sits on the banks
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of the Mississippi at the confluence
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of the Illinois, the Mississippi,
and the Missouri Rivers.
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Situated in the furthest
reaches of the state,
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it's an often overlooked
destination with a rich history
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that defines it as one of
the most important pieces
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of a century-old puzzle.
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Alton was founded in 1818
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and, despite its
considerably smaller size,
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was conceived as a
sister city to St. Louis.
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The region was once home
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to Native Americans
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who had called southern
Illinois home for centuries
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prior to the arrival of European settlers.
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Naturally, the incursion into the Midwest
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caused a number of skirmishes
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between the local natives
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and the outsiders.
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Over time, Alton became
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incredibly important to Illinois' economy
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as it grew into an industrial hub
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thanks to its location along the river.
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This was the start of
a town that's had a lot
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of odd things drawn to it over the years.
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It's a town that's plagued
by stories of ghosts
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and hauntings and strange creatures
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and that dates back to
really the beginning.
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It's a place where there's
been a lotta death,
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there's been diseases,
there's been flooding.
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There was a Civil War
prison located there.
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And it's become known
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as one of the most haunted
small towns in America
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because of all the history
that's taken place there.
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Alton's geographical location
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places it in a historically
significant region
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known as the Gateway to the West.
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As Lewis and Clark began their journey
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across the United States in 1804,
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the current location of
Alton would've been an area
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they traveled through
during the early days
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of the western expansion.
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While Alton has a
noteworthy role in history,
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it hasn't always been a positive one.
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At the Confederate
prison located in Alton,
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the Union Army kept as many
as 12,000 soldiers captive
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in horrifying conditions that
led to disease and death.
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In the years to follow,
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the mighty Mississippi
would overflow its banks
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on multiple occasions
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resulting in catastrophic flooding.
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For followers of the strange and unusual,
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these aspects of the town's history
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might ring strangely familiar.
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So I find a lot of connections
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between Alton as a river community
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and other river communities
across the country
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like Point Pleasant in West Virginia.
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It's got the same type of
history in that you've got
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Native Americans, you've got bloodshed,
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you've got diseases, and
you've got this great history.
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Point Pleasant is also one of those towns
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that, not only has a haunted history,
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but also has, of course,
the Mothman legend
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connected to it.
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So you've go the Piasa Bird in one place,
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you've got the Mothman in the other,
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and all of this energy
drawn to these towns
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with all this water.
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And I think any time you
have a river community
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you're gonna have more stories.
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You're gonna have more ghost stories,
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you're gonna have more weird encounters,
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you're gonna have more strange legends.
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For many years people have
been discussing something
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known as the Piasa
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which allegedly is
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an Illinois Native American
Thunderbird creature.
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There's a long history and
story behind this creature.
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It first appears
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in the work of a Jesuit
missionary name Jacques Marquette.
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And in 1673 he was exploring
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the Mississippi River and he
saw these giant pictographs,
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these rock paintings
on the side of cliffs.
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Dating even further
back than before the city
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actually started was
when Marquette and Joliet
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came down the Mississippi River in 1673
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and claimed the entire region for France.
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They'd already been primed
for weird things in Illinois.
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Well, they come around
a curve in the river
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near what's now Alton and
painted on the side of the bluff
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is two renditions of this monster.
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The Illini Indians used the word Piasa
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as the bird that would devour humans.
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And the whole story
was that the Piasa Bird
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would come down and eat people
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or that some of the tribal groups
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had to, in some ways, give a sacrifice
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of young people
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to the Piasa Birds.
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One of the major chiefs
decided enough was enough.
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I don't wanna do this anymore.
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I'm losing a lot of my people
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so he actually went on one of the cliffs
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where the sacrifice was given
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and when the Piasa Bird came down,
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he had 11 warriors come out and kill it.
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That story's really come
down as the creation story,
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so to speak, of the Piasa Bird.
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There's always been a question
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as to whether or not
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the Piasa Bird was a true story or not.
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Of course the Native
Americans claimed it was.
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And after they painted that mural,
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as they passed it on
the Mississippi River,
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they would fire arrows at it,
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they would fire rifles at it,
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they would blow tobacco smoke at it,
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all in tribute to its ferocity.
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In the 1830s, a professor
at Shurtleff College
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in Alton, Illinois, wrote an article
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about the Piasa.
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And he claimed
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that the Illini people told him
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that these creatures
were actually giant birds
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and that the name literally meant
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the bird that devours men.
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And in 1836,
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he went looking for what he had heard
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was a cave that was
connected to the Piasa Bird
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in some way.
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He hired a young man to
take him up into the bluffs.
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They spent the entire day
hunting for this cave.
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And after climbing up the sheer face
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of one of the cliffs, they entered a cave.
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And as they walked inside,
he said he could hear
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the sound of something
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crunching under his feet.
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And when he lit a torch
to see what it was,
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he discovered that he was in a cave
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completely filled with human bones.
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This was allegedly the Piasa cave.
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This is where the bird
was taking its victims,
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and eating them, and
leaving its bones behind.
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The problem is is that no one
else has ever found this cave.
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Researchers have uncovered the fact
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that this article was
probably highly fictionalized
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and that he took a lot
of physical embellishment
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because the original Piasa creatures,
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the pictographs did not
display wings at all.
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There were some people
who even criticized the fact
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that it had wings and Marquette and Joliet
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didn't make a note of that.
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Well, it turns out that
there really were wings
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but they were usually only
visible when the bluffs were wet.
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The original Piasa Bird mural
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was eventually destroyed in the mid-1800s
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but was recreated again
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in the 1870s
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by Professor William McAdams.
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This recreation was based on descriptions
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of the lost mural by local settlers.
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The supposed cave containing the bones
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of the Piasa Bird victims was never found.
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And whether or not the Piasa Bird was even
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a winged cryptid,
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remains a debate among
historians and researchers.
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One thing is sure, however,
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Alton, Illinois, was a town
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that seemed to be a
magnet for the unusual.
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Really from the 1700s,
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there started to be
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documentation in this record
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that certain people who were explorers,
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who were colonists,
who were native peoples
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were seeing large birds.
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And they would often see
them on the top of mountains,
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on bald mountains, in caves,
in different things like that.
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They didn't wanna get too close to them
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but they certainly knew they
had to deal with these things.
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Accounts of giant monstrous birds
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actually date back decades.
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Even into the 19th century
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you have accounts as old
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as the 1860s.
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In 1868 in Missouri, there
was a group of children
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out playing at school.
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The school teacher came
out and saw this huge bird
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swoop down, grab ahold
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of a boy and literally
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carry him away and disappear.
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Apparently it was well-documented
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and it probably happened.
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And these sightings
tend to occur in flaps,
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that is clusters, many
clusters of sightings
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in a concentrated area.
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There was a big, what they call, a flap
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around the Alton area in the 1940s.
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And people were seeing these
large birds in the skies
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and didn't really know what they were.
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People were calling them Thunderbirds
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because, of course, that's the
Native American name for 'em
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and what they traditionally called.
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But in the 1940s around Alton
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and spreading out even into Springfield
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and up to the northern state of Wisconsin,
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people were seeing these
giant bird-like creatures.
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And you can actually
follow some of the paths
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of these creatures by following
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the newspaper accounts
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that each town the
night after would report
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people seeing these.
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In the small town of Alton,
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strange flying creatures
are making a merry mess
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of the panicked masses
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as more and more reports flood in.
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Where do these bizarre beaked
bearers of bad luck originate?
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Are they giant birds
or mere mass hysteria?
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You be the judge.
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In early April of 1948, there began
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to be sightings around Alto
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of some sort of giant bird.
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And everyone described it about the same.
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It was gray.
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I find with all these
sightings the wingspans
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seemed to kind of vary
a little but not much.
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The fact that they were all so close
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I thought was impressive.
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When I was a very young
boy and getting into this,
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I discovered that microfiche and microfilm
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in libraries, you could
look through old records.
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And found all of these stories from 1948
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that nobody had discovered.
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And I found one story in April
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when the whole big flap
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in 1948 began.
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I found probably
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the most convincing of
all of those sightings
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were a couple of retired military guys
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one of which was the head of
the Western Military Academy
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which was in Alton at the time.
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And the first that we're familiar with
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goes back to April of 1948.
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And the first may in fact
have been a army colonel
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name Walter Sigmund who
was standing at an airbase
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talking to another colonel and a farmer
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and he claimed he looked up and saw this,
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00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:02,990
what he thought at first was
an airplane flying overhead
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until he saw this thing flap its wings.
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00:20:05,530 --> 00:20:07,420
And at that point he
realized that this thing
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was an airplane-sized bird literally.
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00:20:13,302 --> 00:20:16,320
In April of 1948, the St. Louis Dispatch
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ran an eyewitness account
told to a mother and father
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by their young son.
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The boy had spied what he claimed to be
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a giant grayish-green bird
over their home in Overland
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just 25 miles south of Alton
in January of the same year.
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The family was initially
hesitant to come forward
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00:20:35,180 --> 00:20:36,430
with their story.
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00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:39,120
However, as the Sigmund
account found its way
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00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,380
into area newspapers,
suddenly other witnesses
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00:20:42,380 --> 00:20:44,820
who had seen giant birds felt compelled
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00:20:44,820 --> 00:20:47,383
to add their own reports
to the public record.
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Alongside the Walter Sigmund
sighting was another one
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00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:54,440
from April 9th, 1948.
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In this case, Mr. and Mrs. Robert Price
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00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,710
of Caledonia, Illinois, describe seeing
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a monstrous bird bigger than an airplane.
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They reported seeing enormous wings
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00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:08,683
and what they took to be massive
legs and feet beneath it.
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On April 10th, the winged
monstrosity appeared again
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in the sky above Overland,
observed by a couple
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00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:19,293
and their acquaintance as
it soared over their home.
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00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:22,540
Their initial assumption was
that they were witnessing
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00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:24,713
an airplane maneuvering through the sky.
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00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:28,660
There was a truck
driver named Verle Babb
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00:21:28,660 --> 00:21:31,200
who was driving one morning and claimed
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00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,900
that he saw this thing, a giant bird
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00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,620
swooping down trying to
pick up a small piglet
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at a pig farm.
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00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:38,710
There's a famous account
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00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:41,310
from a lady doctor in Alton, Illinois,
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who claims she looked out her window
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00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:45,220
and saw a Thunderbird flying by.
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00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:49,000
She said that it
looked like a Piper Cub.
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00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,240
A bird, no, a airplane.
430
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,290
She thought it was that huge.
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00:21:54,290 --> 00:21:58,270
And people started saying
maybe we should pay attention.
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And there was also a sighting
of a farmer and his wife,
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a man named Charles Pierce who claimed
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00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:04,680
that they saw this monster-sized bird.
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Now, most of the descriptions
were very similar
436
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,980
and people were describing
literally an airplane-sized bird
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00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:15,060
with a wingspan perhaps
20 feet, 25 feet across.
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00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:18,390
And this went on for a few weeks
439
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:20,360
until around the end of the month.
440
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,398
It also showed up across
the river in St. Louis.
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Sightings on the Missouri side
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00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:29,930
of the Mississippi River were
covered with greater intensity
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00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:32,980
than the Alton sightings
given their closer proximity
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00:22:32,980 --> 00:22:35,158
to the bustling city of St. Louis.
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00:22:35,991 --> 00:22:38,060
The St. Louis Dispatch recounted sightings
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of an airplane-sized gray-black bird
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00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:44,340
seen all over the region
during the two-week span.
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00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:46,600
One of the most memorable
giant bird sightings
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00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,280
took place on April 26th.
450
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,360
This involved a group
of flight instructors
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00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,530
at the Mississippi School
of Aeronautics in St. Louis
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00:22:54,530 --> 00:22:57,320
who spotted an abnormally
large bird flying
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at nearly 1200 above the airstrip.
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On April 27th, salesman
Harry Bradford was driving
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00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:07,100
down the Red Feather Highway
in the late afternoon
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00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:10,200
when he spotted something
huge flying above him.
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He pulled to the side of the
road and shined a spotlight
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into the sky.
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00:23:14,656 --> 00:23:15,570
Using the light,
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00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:17,210
he could positively identify
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00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:20,100
it as a strangely massive bird.
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00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:21,390
In the days to follow,
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he would claim to have
three more sightings
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of the very same creature.
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00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,600
Things took an even stranger turn
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00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,540
when three St. Louis locals
saw what they described
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00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:34,610
as a Piper Cub-sized bird in the night sky
468
00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:35,803
around 10 p.m.
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00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:38,710
They recalled seeing it flap its wings
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00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:41,370
and move unusually fast
through the darkness
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at an altitude of perhaps 3000 feet.
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00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,500
Most unusual was the fact
that the creature seemed
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00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,410
to be illuminated by a dull glow emanating
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from within its body.
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00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:54,970
The hysteria surrounding
the bird sightings
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00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:58,040
reached a feverish pitch
when the Civil Air Patrol
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00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,630
offered to make aerial
searches for the bird
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00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:02,812
which was now making national news.
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00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,180
One of the most entertaining parts
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00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:08,330
of this flap of sightings
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00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:09,700
was that the mayor of Alton
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00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:11,680
kept getting all these letters from people
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00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,250
demanding that he do
something about this bird
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00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,530
because for all they knew
it was gonna eat people
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00:24:16,530 --> 00:24:17,890
like the Piasa Bird.
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00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:20,040
And so he put his assistant in charge
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00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,540
of trying to track down
this creature and trap it.
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00:24:22,540 --> 00:24:26,510
Then the mayor got involved
and a heron was caught
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00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:29,350
and tracks were found on the mud bank.
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00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:31,550
It kinda got to be a media event
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00:24:31,550 --> 00:24:34,720
and became what we call nine day wonder
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00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,470
because it really was in
the newspaper nine days.
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00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:39,980
But in those nine days, people talked
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00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:42,560
about several months of reports.
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00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,130
But it seemed as soon as
public interest in it peaked,
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00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:47,100
it just stopped.
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00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:51,130
Wherever this thing went
it moved on somewhere else.
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00:24:51,130 --> 00:24:54,360
It moved on, the people forgot about it,
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00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,903
and they went back to living.
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So what was it
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that people saw in 1948 and does it have
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00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,963
any historical precedents?
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While there are occasional
accounts of large bird sightings
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00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:12,610
around the Prairie State,
they aren't exactly common
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00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:15,343
and when they do come, it's in waves.
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It would be odd for some
sort of natural animal
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00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:22,593
to only occasionally travel
to a geographical region.
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00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,430
Perhaps the answers as to what
people were seeing in Alton
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00:25:26,430 --> 00:25:29,833
in those days dwells within
the pages of history.
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00:25:32,774 --> 00:25:33,607
One of the most
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compelling lines of evidence
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00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,070
with regard to quote unquote Thunderbirds
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00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:40,980
is that you have so many
widespread Native American legends
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that refer to these monstrous eagles
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00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,150
or Thunderbirds, giant birds.
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00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:47,000
These Native American Thunderbird accounts
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00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,370
range from the Pacific
Northwest to the Southwest,
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00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:53,570
the Great Plains, New England,
and so on and so forth.
519
00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:55,070
So isn't it interesting that we have
520
00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:58,490
all of these widespread different cultures
521
00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:00,620
that refer to identical animals.
522
00:26:00,620 --> 00:26:04,610
Many saw this as, again, bad luck,
523
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:06,520
an omen, that these creatures
524
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,250
would show up and you
did not want to see them.
525
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:14,080
Many cultures are even
hesitant to say the name
526
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,170
of these creatures with the
belief that even mentioning them
527
00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:20,213
is enough to put you on their radar.
528
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:22,670
One of the things that Thunderbirds
529
00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:25,190
are often depicted doing
is shooting lightning
530
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:27,300
from their beaks or
their eyes or their head.
531
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:28,900
They're very closely associated,
532
00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:32,800
almost in an elemental aspect,
with thunder and storms.
533
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,810
These giant birds are
associated with storm fronts
534
00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:39,760
that the beating of their
wings sounds like thunder.
535
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,593
I know there may be
536
00:26:40,593 --> 00:26:42,130
a scientific reason
537
00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:45,570
behind this if we
consider that large birds
538
00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:49,350
could take advantage
of the thermal updrafts
539
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:51,430
that are at the forefront of storms
540
00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:52,730
and that perhaps
541
00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:54,838
it helps them fly and so forth.
542
00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:15,720
It's difficult to define
543
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,070
just where central Illinois
begins but for many
544
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:22,960
the flat endless acres of
corn, wheat, and soybean fields
545
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,382
define the Prairie State.
546
00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:30,820
Here among the ruins of
the once-vibrant homes
547
00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:33,810
and businesses, small
pockets of civilization
548
00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:36,010
have managed to survive among the decline
549
00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:37,717
of agriculture and industry.
550
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,633
Imagine a Midwest once alive and booming.
551
00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:02,700
These small towns situated
along old highways
552
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:03,980
which today are shells
553
00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:05,520
of their former glory
554
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,492
were once micro-cities.
555
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,820
Dance halls, grocery
stores, bars, and nightlife
556
00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:15,220
were just around every corner.
557
00:28:15,220 --> 00:28:17,050
Lawndale was no different.
558
00:28:23,030 --> 00:28:26,850
Lawndale, Illinois, is a quiet town
559
00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:29,680
in Logan County, Central Illinois.
560
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,190
Nothing much ever happens there.
561
00:28:36,765 --> 00:28:38,880
Lawndale, Illinois, is located actually
562
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,910
right off Interstate 55.
563
00:28:40,910 --> 00:28:42,923
It is a little north of Lincoln.
564
00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:45,340
It's not easy to find on a map
565
00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:46,980
because it's a very small town.
566
00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:49,750
I believe the population
is less than a thousand.
567
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:52,190
It's just a ordinary little community
568
00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:53,310
on the side of the road.
569
00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:55,670
I can't give you anything famous about it
570
00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:58,070
because as far as I'm concerned
the only really famous thing
571
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:59,300
that ever happened there
572
00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:04,273
was the July 25th, 1977,
attack by a Thunderbird.
573
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,100
Nearly 30 years had passed
574
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,280
since the Thunderbird wave
575
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,273
had swept across southern
Illinois in 1948.
576
00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:19,900
While occasional sightings
of large birds in Illinois
577
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,390
were still reported,
giant, winged cryptids
578
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:25,660
had long since been forgotten.
579
00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,580
Despite the tales of small
children being carried away
580
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:32,430
by Thunderbirds in Missouri,
kids were free to play outside
581
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:35,410
at all hours of the day and
rarely looked to the sky
582
00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:37,003
with any sense of fear.
583
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:41,180
All that would change
for one Lawndale family
584
00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:45,330
on July 25th, 1977.
585
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:46,640
At 8:00 in the evening
586
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680
of July 25th, 1977,
587
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,300
in Lawndale, Logan County, Illinois,
588
00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,260
a young 10-year-old boy named Marlon Lowe
589
00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:56,710
was playing hide-and-seek
with two of his buddies,
590
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:58,910
Travis Goodwin and Michael Thompson.
591
00:29:58,910 --> 00:30:00,910
They were in his backyard
while his mother,
592
00:30:00,910 --> 00:30:02,930
his parents, and some
of their family friends
593
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:05,620
were cleaning out a
trailer on their property.
594
00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:09,620
The trailer that had
little black eagles on it.
595
00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:12,740
And these three boys were
kinda playing hide-and-seek
596
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:14,123
around the front yard.
597
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:17,710
And right behind them
598
00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:19,690
is Kickapoo Creek.
599
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:21,180
And all of a sudden flying
600
00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:23,220
down Kickapoo Creek
601
00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:27,410
was two giant birds swooping down.
602
00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:29,460
These two huge birds
603
00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:32,830
fly down over the yard, try
to pick up one of the boys
604
00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:34,193
who dives to safety
Look out!
605
00:30:34,193 --> 00:30:36,210
into a plastic wading pool
606
00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:39,590
and narrowly misses becoming infamous
607
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:41,150
like Marlon Lowe became.
608
00:30:41,150 --> 00:30:42,800
Marlon began to run away.
609
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,760
He weighed about 56 pounds at the time.
610
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,120
He was kind of a small boy.
611
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,630
But according to all the
witnesses that were present
612
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:49,720
one of these two birds
613
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,905
swooped down.
614
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,320
He gets caught by
the talons of one of the birds.
615
00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:00,840
It was two birds but
only one of them got him.
616
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,180
Picks him up,
617
00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:05,660
carries him about 50 feet across the yard.
618
00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:07,580
The bird turns, grabs ahold of this kid
619
00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:09,480
by the back of the shirt and picks him up
620
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,690
off the ground.
621
00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:12,130
Well, as these boys are screaming,
622
00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:14,880
Marlon's mother Ruth runs
to the back of the house
623
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,190
to see what's going on and sees this bird
624
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:21,800
pick her son up three feet off the ground
625
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,550
and carry him about 10 yards
626
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:24,973
across the backyard
627
00:31:24,973 --> 00:31:25,921
of their house.
628
00:31:25,921 --> 00:31:26,754
Oh help!
629
00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:30,120
As Marlon was kicking and fighting
630
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,050
until the bird finally just dropped him
631
00:31:32,050 --> 00:31:33,230
and let him go.
632
00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:35,490
And then the two birds kind of took off
633
00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:37,729
flew underneath
Oh honey, are you okay?
634
00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:38,630
Are you okay?
a electric wire
635
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:40,080
right over the trailer home.
Are you okay, honey?
636
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,760
Attempted to roost in a
large tree in their property
637
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,280
but according to the witnesses
they were having trouble
638
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,500
roosting in this tree
'cause they were too big
639
00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:48,350
and then they took off
640
00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:49,410
towards Kickapoo Creek
641
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,243
to the north.
642
00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:55,120
Saw these birds fly
away off toward a wooded area
643
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,870
at the edge of town.
644
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:58,560
They called the police.
645
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,460
They needed some kind of validation.
646
00:32:01,460 --> 00:32:05,000
And they also thought if
this can happen to one kid,
647
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,730
it can happen to other kids.
648
00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:09,090
And there had been stories
649
00:32:09,090 --> 00:32:12,410
about around that time
of dog disappearing,
650
00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:15,960
of certain little lambs
and other livestock.
651
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,220
So there was becoming a hint
652
00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,480
that something sinister was happening.
653
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,730
When I was a kid, I'd never heard
654
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:24,430
of anything like this before.
655
00:32:24,430 --> 00:32:27,250
And suddenly these people
had had an encounter
656
00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:30,270
with something that you couldn't
even wrap your head around.
657
00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:32,040
I don't think anybody could.
658
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,690
Other things started happening,
659
00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,050
other things that were psychological
660
00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:37,300
that happened to that family
661
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,790
because they weren't ready for what impact
662
00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:42,450
this was gonna have on their lives.
663
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:43,575
Again, it's one of those things
664
00:32:43,575 --> 00:32:45,920
why would you make a story like this up?
665
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,940
It makes no sense as
to why you would invent
666
00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:50,300
something like this.
667
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,170
It affected the family
so much that for many years
668
00:32:53,170 --> 00:32:55,280
they wouldn't talk to anybody.
669
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,950
Marlon, according to his mother,
670
00:32:57,950 --> 00:33:00,610
didn't sleep for nights afterward.
671
00:33:00,610 --> 00:33:04,330
They were being teased
and harassed by neighbors
672
00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:06,140
and people from anywhere
that would show up
673
00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:08,420
at their house, leave dead
birds on their sidewalk.
674
00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,390
They started calling Marlon the Bird Boy.
675
00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:12,930
But it made the papers and
people talked about it,
676
00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:14,410
people laughed about it,
677
00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:16,130
but the Lowes swore it was true.
678
00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:17,700
They swore that it happened.
679
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:19,360
Wasn't until a couple years later
680
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,660
that I went out
681
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:24,150
to Illinois to interview
the family all over again.
682
00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:26,840
And what struck me was
683
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,530
how Marlo Lowe
684
00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:32,580
really was affected by this.
685
00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:35,420
Kids had started calling him the Bird Boy.
686
00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:38,410
They started killing birds
and leaving dead birds
687
00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:40,070
on their porch.
688
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:42,733
And he had bright red
hair when he was littler,
689
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:46,120
when he was 10 years old, and here he was
690
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,245
two years later, gray hair.
691
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,740
The Lowes described
692
00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:56,750
these two birds as looking
very much like Andean condors.
693
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:58,410
They said that they were all black,
694
00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:01,060
that they had a hooked
beak, but they actually had
695
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:04,710
a white waft of feathers
around their neck.
696
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:07,220
Then beyond that, you've
got all of these other people
697
00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:11,930
then for the next several
months seeing one or two birds
698
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:13,920
exactly like the Lowes described.
699
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,320
The Lawndale incident was
such big news that it really put
700
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,890
the Thunderbirds back into the headlines.
701
00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:22,683
It was essentially the first
sighting of that time period
702
00:34:22,683 --> 00:34:24,320
although there may have been a couple of,
703
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,470
like a week before that
704
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:28,810
a woman nearby in
Lincoln, Illinois, claimed
705
00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:30,840
that she had also seen these Thunderbirds.
706
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,590
So as often happens in these cases,
707
00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:35,380
there's that one big
incident that really gets
708
00:34:35,380 --> 00:34:37,930
all the publicity and that
creates an environment
709
00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:40,470
where other eyewitnesses feel
a little bit more comfortable
710
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:42,340
coming out of the shadows
and saying you know what,
711
00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:43,300
I saw those things, too.
712
00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,070
I just didn't wanna talk about it.
713
00:34:45,070 --> 00:34:48,129
They talked about a trailer court
714
00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:50,650
couple communities over.
715
00:34:50,650 --> 00:34:54,080
A big, giant bird landed on the trailer
716
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,840
and then took off.
717
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,010
Someplace else in the county
somebody else was seeing it.
718
00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:03,000
And you started hearing these reports
719
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,030
very casually at first
720
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:06,480
then in the media.
721
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,650
Then the Chicago media got involved,
722
00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:13,449
then the television media, and
it became a traditional flap.
723
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:16,323
In the days
724
00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:17,550
following the Lowe incident,
725
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:19,800
the giant birds were seen repeatedly
726
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,290
many times as a pair
727
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:23,860
occasionally glimpsed alone.
728
00:35:23,860 --> 00:35:27,260
On July 28th, the Thompsons
spotted a massive bird
729
00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:29,810
flying above their farm in McLean County
730
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:31,363
just to the north of Lawndale.
731
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,150
The creature had a wingspan
of at least 10 feet
732
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:36,950
and the couple and their visiting friends
733
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:39,623
would soon recount their
sighting to local police.
734
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,210
Later the same day, a mail
carrier spotted two birds
735
00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:45,670
matching the same description
736
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:48,950
as those in the Lowe incident
in Bloomington, Illinois,
737
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:51,731
just 25 miles north of Lawndale.
738
00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:54,110
He witnessed one of the birds soar
739
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:55,580
into a nearby field
740
00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:58,010
where it snatched up a pig and flew off
741
00:35:58,010 --> 00:36:01,790
as the poor animal struggled
in its massive talons.
742
00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:04,150
The incident left the man shaken
743
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:08,350
and convinced that what
he'd seen was a huge condor.
744
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:11,630
Also on the 28th, Lisa
Montgomery was washing her car
745
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:15,180
when she spied a lone bird
in the sky above Tremont.
746
00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:19,070
She described the wingspan
as being 10 feet or more.
747
00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:21,500
Two more sightings drew
national media attention
748
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,060
on July 30th.
749
00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:25,240
The first of these
occurred when Denise Turner
750
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:28,730
of Downs, Illinois, and
two friends saw a huge bird
751
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:32,245
perched on a telephone pole
alongside an intersection.
752
00:36:33,078 --> 00:36:35,070
The witness described
seeing the creature's talons
753
00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:37,480
unfurl and drop something to the ground
754
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,290
which was later identified by local police
755
00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:42,360
as a footlong rat.
756
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,440
At 2 p.m. that same day multiple residents
757
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,870
of Waynesville, Illinois, reported seeing
758
00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:50,193
a massive bird soar overhead.
759
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:53,020
In the midst of all
760
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:55,670
of the Lawndale reports
761
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:58,640
and the other reports from
around central Illinois,
762
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,930
a gentleman showed up
calling himself Texas John.
763
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:06,980
And in Shelbyville, which
is a little bit further
764
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:09,380
to the west of Lawndale,
765
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:10,247
Texas John said,
766
00:37:10,247 --> 00:37:14,450
"I shot some footage of Thunderbirds."
767
00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:19,280
And he went to Champaign,
Illinois, TV station,
768
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,470
showed 'em the footage,
they showed it to me,
769
00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:25,020
and everybody was interested in it.
770
00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,350
And he had heard about
these Thunderbird sightings
771
00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:29,880
and he has a Cherokee lineage
772
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,010
so he certainly believed
in the Thunderbird.
773
00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:34,100
And he was in his boat on
the north side of the lake
774
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,670
when he suddenly saw
these two enormous birds
775
00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:38,120
perched in a tree.
776
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,860
And he knew that these
birds were extraordinary.
777
00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:43,550
So what he did was he
blew the horn on his boat
778
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:45,621
in order to scare them to get them
779
00:37:45,621 --> 00:37:47,560
to take off on these trees
and then he began to film
780
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,110
as they flew off.
781
00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:50,500
To me and to a lot
782
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:54,290
of researchers it looked
like turkey vultures
783
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:57,210
sitting in a tree and then taking off.
784
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:59,360
A number of wildlife
experts have looked at it
785
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,180
and dismissed these two birds
as simply turkey vultures
786
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:04,610
which are very common in Illinois.
787
00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:08,863
Turkey vultures can be
extremely large-looking.
788
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:13,960
But I've looked at the film
quite a bit through the years,
789
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,310
analyzed it, and at least in my own mind,
790
00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:19,520
one of the two birds is much, much larger
791
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,640
than any turkey vulture
and really appears to have
792
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,610
the proportions of a bird like a condor
793
00:38:24,610 --> 00:38:26,771
with a wingspan perhaps nine feet across.
794
00:38:28,850 --> 00:38:33,490
In December of 1977, there was a report,
795
00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:36,180
and it mostly showed up in news reports,
796
00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,610
we never get to the bottom of it,
797
00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:40,050
a group of men
798
00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:43,800
were going along a road
and they saw a giant bird.
799
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,130
They shot it.
800
00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:47,660
They got very scared and
they burned the body.
801
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:50,760
And they felt that they'd done
something wrong and illegal.
802
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,300
And that often happens in
those kind of shooting stories
803
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,220
'cause you never see the bodies.
804
00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:57,161
People burn them.
805
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:59,360
In the weeks that followed,
806
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,070
occasional reports of
abnormally large birds
807
00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:05,490
continued to trickle in
around central Illinois.
808
00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:09,720
However, like the Alton
Thunderbird wave of 1948,
809
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,690
eventually the reports simply stopped.
810
00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:15,360
The birds had disappeared
yet sightings continued
811
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,710
of strange things in the skies.
812
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:20,320
Loren Coleman and his brother
Jerry would investigate
813
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,410
numerous winged cryptid sightings
in the years that followed
814
00:39:23,410 --> 00:39:27,433
the Lawndale incidents,
not all of them mere birds.
815
00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:29,603
When I'm involved
816
00:39:29,603 --> 00:39:31,400
in investigating cryptozoology,
817
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,240
I usually try to categorize the branches
818
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,540
that I'm going down.
819
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:39,980
And one large branch is
what I call winged weirdies.
820
00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:43,260
And in that file of winged weirdies,
821
00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:47,380
there's flying humans, there's big owls,
822
00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:50,380
there's big birds, there's pterodactyls,
823
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:52,683
there's all kinds of different reports.
824
00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:57,400
And you have to look
at them as best you can
825
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,430
just make them all kind of go together.
826
00:40:00,430 --> 00:40:01,530
When investigating
827
00:40:01,530 --> 00:40:04,660
giant winged cryptids, it
all becomes very confusing.
828
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:06,340
There's a lot of gray area.
829
00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:09,230
And in my research, which
has spanned decades,
830
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:13,000
I typically get three types
of reports or accounts.
831
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,850
But for example, we have the
sightings of the giant birds,
832
00:40:15,850 --> 00:40:17,650
the Thunderbirds, which
people always describe
833
00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:18,810
as having feathers.
834
00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:19,970
I get a second type of people
835
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:23,360
describing something more
quote unquote prehistoric.
836
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,190
And then you get people that report
837
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:27,270
more the flying dinosaurs,
838
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:28,770
the pterodactyls, something
839
00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:30,860
out of prehistoric times.
840
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:32,420
And then you also have many accounts
841
00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:34,880
of what we call flying humanoids,
842
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,150
creatures that are composites
or anthropomorphic creatures
843
00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:43,350
with human-like characteristics,
bodies, sturdy legs,
844
00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:46,993
arms, heads, but also wings
attached to their body.
845
00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:55,810
It was still cold out and it was late
846
00:40:55,810 --> 00:41:00,190
and I was possibly driving
847
00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:02,400
slightly faster than I should be.
848
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,130
As I came up Route 51
where this turnoff is
849
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:07,690
to go to the lake there's a sign
850
00:41:07,690 --> 00:41:10,090
and like a light, pole light.
851
00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:12,380
So as I'm coming down, you
know, it's pretty late,
852
00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:14,890
but I notice a man
standing along the road.
853
00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:16,790
It looked like a man in a trench coat.
854
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,660
And I'm pretty sure that
there's so much road kill
855
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:22,525
around there it was eating
something alongside the road.
856
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:27,120
As I came up on it, it was,
857
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,370
I thought it was a man
858
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:29,550
because it was man height.
859
00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:34,050
It was, you know, five
plus feet, six foot tall.
860
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:37,940
Very dark, with headlights
on it it looked dark gray.
861
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:40,280
I bet it was black.
862
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,310
As it opened up and I saw, you could see
863
00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:44,240
the wings, feathers, you
could see what it was.
864
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,330
There was a little bit of
light, like my headlights
865
00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:48,510
were showing a little bit
lighter color than that.
866
00:41:48,510 --> 00:41:51,260
It was the size of a man.
867
00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:52,610
And I saw the wings come up
868
00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:55,290
and take off and he was
standing on the white line
869
00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:56,310
on the edge of the road.
870
00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:59,900
And when it went like this, the wing broke
871
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:02,360
center line of the road
which was just like
872
00:42:03,894 --> 00:42:05,020
what the heck?
873
00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:07,912
And I kinda, as it went
up, I kinda went under.
874
00:42:10,378 --> 00:42:13,849
It was very startling
875
00:42:14,682 --> 00:42:16,803
because it was, I thought it was a guy.
876
00:42:16,803 --> 00:42:17,636
And when it took off,
877
00:42:17,636 --> 00:42:19,200
it was almost exciting.
878
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,380
I think I turned around
and went back to my house
879
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:23,300
and woke my brother up and told him.
880
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:24,900
Shortly after that,
881
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,910
around two weeks, 15 minutes from my house
882
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:29,820
in a small town called Herrick,
883
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:31,780
there was another sighting
that was very similar
884
00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:32,880
to I what I seen.
885
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,600
So it kinda helped me,
886
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,250
you know, you always get
that, did that happen?
887
00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:41,420
Or as with everything you try
to rationalize what was it?
888
00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:43,560
Was it too close or too,
889
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,210
you know, but having
890
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:47,670
that same description, same
size, that close to home
891
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:50,010
that soon after, was kinda like yeah
892
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:53,473
there was something around
there at that point.
893
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:04,720
It was a mid-December day.
894
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,890
It was in the '90s, I think '94.
895
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:09,080
My friend and I were
going out pheasant hunting
896
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,860
and it was a real cold,
windy, blustery winter day.
897
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:16,740
We'd stopped at the guy's place
where we were going hunting.
898
00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:19,480
We asked if we could go
and we were hunting a ditch
899
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,727
out in Caybury, Illinois.
900
00:43:20,727 --> 00:43:22,443
That's where we were at.
901
00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:26,210
Our dogs, we had German
Shorthaired Pointer dogs
902
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:28,060
and we were watching them hunt.
903
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:30,230
So the dogs were down in the ditch.
904
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:31,460
My friend yelled, "Look!"
905
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:32,470
And I looked over at him,
906
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:33,420
he was to my left.
Look!
907
00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:35,330
And I saw him pointing above me.
908
00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:36,163
I'd never saw it.
909
00:43:36,163 --> 00:43:40,800
And I looked up and
there was a massive bird
910
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,868
right over the top of our dogs.
911
00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:47,720
He later said that he
thought that that bird
912
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,670
was coming after our dogs
and that made sense to me
913
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:51,693
because it was right above us.
914
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:57,260
It was black and it was
probably, a good guess
915
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,410
is the wingspan was 20 feet.
916
00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:01,480
I noticed that the wings were really long
917
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,950
and they had one bend in the middle.
918
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:05,090
I distinctly saw that.
919
00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:07,920
And its head, it had a very long beak
920
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,260
and had kind of a long head,
921
00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:12,700
a very big head, long beak,
922
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,710
and like it seemed like
almost like its head
923
00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:17,310
went back behind it, too.
924
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:19,040
The bird, as soon as he yelled, "Look,"
925
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,870
and it heard us and saw us,
926
00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:23,840
it took a couple flaps and went up
927
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,140
and got up into the sky
928
00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:27,060
and that wind just, and it was just gone.
929
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:30,320
It was gone outta sight in a minute,
930
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,040
not even a minute.
931
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,100
We both walked over to
each other and we're like
932
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:38,170
what did you just see?
933
00:44:38,170 --> 00:44:41,160
And we both have talked
about it a lot since.
934
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,580
I'm a lifelong outdoorsman,
935
00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:44,910
I've spent my life out in the outdoors.
936
00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:46,231
I've never seen anything like this.
937
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,573
My boss used to say, you know,
938
00:44:50,573 --> 00:44:54,600
"Danhausen, tell that
crazy bird story of yours."
939
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,690
It was kinda something we told
as it was funny to people.
940
00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:02,340
And it wasn't for years
that I actually figured out
941
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:05,890
or later discovered that other
people had seen these birds.
942
00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:08,220
It's been a source of laughter for people
943
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:09,725
for quite some time.
944
00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:13,690
Thunderbirds, winged humanoids,
945
00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:16,930
prehistoric remnants, is there any reason
946
00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:18,810
why rational, skeptical people
947
00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:20,833
would believe these things exist?
948
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,740
The Teratorn was a massive bird
949
00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:26,270
that, as strange as it sounds,
950
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:29,890
does match descriptions given
by many of the witnesses
951
00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:32,540
particularly when it pertains to wingspan
952
00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:35,123
and the white plumage
around the creature's neck.
953
00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:38,030
The skeletal remains of Teratorns
954
00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:41,220
with wingspans up to 20
feet have been discovered
955
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:43,630
in much of the United States.
956
00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:46,410
Yet science claims that
these creatures went extinct
957
00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:47,843
millions of years ago.
958
00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:51,680
The Thunderbirds, which are
959
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,350
all over the West and a
little bit in the Midwest,
960
00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:57,420
look like Teratorns.
961
00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:00,993
They seem to be giant ancient condors.
962
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,030
And they were catharaforms.
963
00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:05,720
They were essentially the ancestors
964
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,080
of modern condors and vultures.
965
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,210
A lot of people believe
that these giant birds
966
00:46:10,210 --> 00:46:12,090
that are seen that don't really match
967
00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:14,870
the description of known birds might be
968
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:19,320
some kind of prehistoric
winged creature, winged bird.
969
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,153
I don't know.
970
00:46:20,153 --> 00:46:22,056
I mean, I would think we
would see them more often
971
00:46:22,056 --> 00:46:25,050
if they were just living out
there roosting somewhere.
972
00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:27,090
I think we'd see them
more often than we do.
973
00:46:27,090 --> 00:46:29,057
Is there something
paranormal about these things?
974
00:46:29,057 --> 00:46:32,530
Are they sort of projections
from the past perhaps
975
00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:33,570
of extinct species
976
00:46:33,570 --> 00:46:36,370
or time slips or something?
977
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:39,160
And then you hear of reports
of other even stranger things
978
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,580
like lights emitting from these creatures,
979
00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:44,700
which of course, a normal bird can't do.
980
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,050
I've always wondered
981
00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:50,140
if there might be some sort
of at least a paranormal thing
982
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:52,040
behind winged creatures.
983
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,710
I mean, I think there might be some sort
984
00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:57,110
of dimensional question there.
985
00:46:57,110 --> 00:46:58,560
A lot of sightings people
986
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,393
will think it's just
987
00:46:59,393 --> 00:47:02,160
a gigantic bird, something flesh and blood
988
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,290
that you could hunt, you could kill
989
00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:05,590
if you had to.
990
00:47:05,590 --> 00:47:07,730
But then there are other accounts
991
00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:11,470
whether it's UFO-related
or other phenomenon
992
00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:12,640
where people believe
993
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,260
the creature's exhibiting
supernatural abilities.
994
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:17,460
But yes, there is a notion
995
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:21,220
that any of these winged
creatures could represent
996
00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:23,500
tragic or catastrophic events to come,
997
00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:27,450
that they could be omens,
warnings, of dire events.
998
00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:30,297
Course we have the connection
between the famous Mothman
999
00:47:30,297 --> 00:47:32,790
and the tragedy of the
Silver Bridge collapse.
1000
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:34,380
Many people connect those two things
1001
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:35,540
in their minds.
1002
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:36,820
There is certainly a notion
1003
00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:38,810
that these winged cryptids, creatures,
1004
00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:40,030
whatever you wanna call them
1005
00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:42,260
are essentially very negative things
1006
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:44,093
that you do not want to encounter.
1007
00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:55,640
Northern Illinois is defined
1008
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,170
by the state's largest metropolitan area,
1009
00:47:58,170 --> 00:48:00,430
the city of Chicago.
1010
00:48:00,430 --> 00:48:01,900
Yet, outside the sprawl
1011
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:05,230
of Chicagoland, lies
large pockets of forest,
1012
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:08,263
vast rolling fields,
and the Illinois River.
1013
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:11,990
In addition to miles
of undeveloped prairie,
1014
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:13,910
this stretch of the state is also home
1015
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:17,080
to two other large cities
and acres and acres
1016
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,620
of swamps and farmland.
1017
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:23,800
It's a remarkable Midwestern
mix of uninhabited expanses
1018
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,823
and densely populated areas.
1019
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,490
The city of Chicago was
built on a swamp essentially.
1020
00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,890
The beginning of its history
began with bloodshed.
1021
00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:36,723
This was a place
1022
00:48:36,723 --> 00:48:38,440
where settlers were massacred
1023
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,460
by the local Native American tribes
1024
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:42,550
at the beginning of the War of 1812.
1025
00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:44,910
And so it already was off to a bad start.
1026
00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:46,000
It took almost 20 years
1027
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,490
to really develop after
that massacre took place.
1028
00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:52,230
But Chicago, thanks to all of the people
1029
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:54,800
and the energy there, its history
1030
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,910
has created it's ghosts.
1031
00:48:56,910 --> 00:49:00,100
I don't think that it's
the location of Chicago
1032
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,090
that makes it so strange.
1033
00:49:01,090 --> 00:49:03,010
I think it's all of the things
that have happened there
1034
00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:04,300
over the years.
1035
00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:05,770
Because you have had
1036
00:49:05,770 --> 00:49:07,417
the great fire in 1871.
1037
00:49:07,417 --> 00:49:11,010
You've had millions of people come through
1038
00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:13,140
what's essentially downtown Chicago
1039
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:16,560
in the last, oh not even quite 200 years.
1040
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,010
I mean, you name it, it's had
1041
00:49:18,010 --> 00:49:20,040
all of this very violent history
1042
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,340
and it think that's
really left a mark behind.
1043
00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:41,890
My name is Tobias Wayland
and I am the head writer
1044
00:49:41,890 --> 00:49:44,630
and editor for the
Singular Fortean Society.
1045
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:48,037
I began my career
investigating the breadth
1046
00:49:48,037 --> 00:49:49,780
of paranormal phenomena
1047
00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,890
in the true Fortean fashion
1048
00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:56,569
of not leaving anything uninvestigated.
1049
00:49:57,402 --> 00:49:58,950
In August of 2016,
1050
00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:02,310
the winged cryptid phenomenon
returned to Illinois.
1051
00:50:02,310 --> 00:50:04,303
This time to the city of Chicago.
1052
00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:07,470
As reported to Lon Strickler,
1053
00:50:07,470 --> 00:50:09,880
a woman was wandering down Roosevelt Road
1054
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,350
in the suburb of Cicero when she noticed
1055
00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:15,460
a flash of movement between two buildings.
1056
00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:17,160
Upon straining to see what it was
1057
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,740
that had caught her attention,
1058
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:21,500
she noticed a large
humanoid figure perched
1059
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:22,716
on top of a streetlight.
1060
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,063
The thing shot into the air
and disappeared into the night.
1061
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:31,440
In February of 2017, the
flying, manlike creature
1062
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,620
was spotted again by a motorist traveling
1063
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:37,610
down 294 south outside of Chicago.
1064
00:50:37,610 --> 00:50:38,877
The driver recalled seeing
1065
00:50:38,877 --> 00:50:40,000
a manlike shape
1066
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,480
running beside the road
1067
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,707
before suddenly unfurling two wings
1068
00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:46,690
and taking to the skies over the city.
1069
00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:47,710
The man was shaken
1070
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:49,460
as he recalled observing
1071
00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:52,080
what he described as the biggest bird
1072
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,931
he had ever seen.
1073
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,170
In March, a third sighting
1074
00:50:56,170 --> 00:50:58,270
took place in Tinley Park.
1075
00:50:58,270 --> 00:51:00,960
This time a man and his
dog encountered a being
1076
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,510
matching the same description
1077
00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:04,950
as the previous two sightings.
1078
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:07,770
It peered at him from a nearby roof.
1079
00:51:07,770 --> 00:51:10,010
The man attempted to get a
better view of the creature
1080
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:12,360
by approaching it but it took to the sky
1081
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,310
and disappeared before
he could capture a photo.
1082
00:51:16,310 --> 00:51:18,410
The initial reports of the Chicago Mothman
1083
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:21,280
or Chicago Phantom were reported
1084
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,500
to the paranormal websites
Phantoms & Monsters
1085
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,910
operated by investigator
and author, Lon Strickler,
1086
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:32,340
and UFO Clearinghouse
operated by Manuel Navarette.
1087
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:36,560
In early May of 2017,
I had seen three reports
1088
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,760
come through the MUFON database.
1089
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,540
And they each described
a bat or bird-like being.
1090
00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:48,830
And you know, as a paranormal
researcher, journalist,
1091
00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:50,730
investigator, it piqued my interest
1092
00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:54,710
and so I wrote a short
article about it for our site.
1093
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:55,713
I was following it.
1094
00:51:56,830 --> 00:52:01,130
I noticed that more
reports kept coming in.
1095
00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:06,130
In 2017, I became aware that there was
1096
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:09,970
seemingly a flap of
flying humanoid sightings
1097
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:12,610
coming out of Chicago and I was like
1098
00:52:12,610 --> 00:52:13,520
what is happening.
1099
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,200
I was familiar, of course, with John Keel
1100
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,680
and with the Mothman sightings
1101
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,680
in Point Pleasant, West
Virginia, from 1966 to 1967.
1102
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:25,440
So I was like, could it be
1103
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,250
that Mothman is now
1104
00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:28,803
pretty much in my neighborhood?
1105
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:33,070
More sightings kept coming in.
1106
00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:36,038
Almost immediately after in late April
1107
00:52:36,038 --> 00:52:39,610
and early May you had two sightings
1108
00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:42,400
near the Little Calument River.
1109
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,370
And so both of those were men out fishing
1110
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:46,610
with their sons.
1111
00:52:46,610 --> 00:52:47,740
In the first instance,
1112
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:50,000
on April 27th, the witness said
1113
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,741
that he heard a sound like train brakes
1114
00:52:53,741 --> 00:52:55,420
as a train slows down
1115
00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:57,030
like the sound of its brakes.
1116
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:59,730
Just after that he saw what he described
1117
00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:02,770
as a giant bat fly overhead.
1118
00:53:02,770 --> 00:53:06,010
The second sighting was very, very similar
1119
00:53:06,010 --> 00:53:06,880
in that area.
1120
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,060
I don't believe
1121
00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:12,330
that he mentioned the same shrill noise.
1122
00:53:12,330 --> 00:53:13,307
Saw a giant bat.
1123
00:53:13,307 --> 00:53:16,530
But in both cases they described
it as being very large,
1124
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:18,350
you know, seven to eight-foot wingspan.
1125
00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:20,970
The Chicago Mothman case
is really interesting.
1126
00:53:20,970 --> 00:53:23,410
It started about a year,
year and a half ago
1127
00:53:23,410 --> 00:53:26,380
and there was a huge rash of sightings.
1128
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:30,123
I think upwards of 70
to 80 sightings by now.
1129
00:53:30,123 --> 00:53:33,400
Right now, according
to internet sources,
1130
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,810
there have been 71 sightings.
1131
00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:41,530
2011, 2017 was the bulk of them
1132
00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:45,070
and then a few in 2018.
1133
00:53:45,070 --> 00:53:48,520
Lon Strickler who published
the very first accounts,
1134
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,390
knowing that I had an interest
in the specific subject
1135
00:53:51,390 --> 00:53:54,250
was gracious enough to funnel
me each individual sighting
1136
00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:55,530
or account for me to review.
1137
00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:59,100
And I did review and go through
the eyewitness testimonies.
1138
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,690
And initially the descriptions
seemed very similar
1139
00:54:01,690 --> 00:54:04,820
to other flying humanoids
that have been documented
1140
00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:07,350
in Point Pleasant, West
Virginia, and other places.
1141
00:54:07,350 --> 00:54:09,700
A creature with quote
unquote bat-like wings
1142
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:11,970
and other human-like features.
1143
00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:13,680
I have several criticisms
1144
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,300
of the Chicago phenomena.
1145
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,710
For one thing, to call it Mothman,
1146
00:54:17,710 --> 00:54:21,720
I thought was pure and
simple the copycat phenomena.
1147
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,250
People were seeing things in the sky
1148
00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:28,770
or things near the Earth
that were above them.
1149
00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:31,210
Some of them looked like kites.
1150
00:54:31,210 --> 00:54:33,260
Some of them looked like balloons,
1151
00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:35,970
winged creatures, ravens.
1152
00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:40,970
And somebody decided
to label those Mothman.
1153
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:44,297
And I think the problem started then.
1154
00:54:44,297 --> 00:54:46,500
And it was all still
very much up in the air.
1155
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:49,100
You know, obviously, there was people
1156
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:50,550
comparing it to Mothman.
1157
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,000
There were people who thought it could be
1158
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,570
a Halloween costume on a drone.
1159
00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:58,010
Some people thought that we're dealing
1160
00:54:58,010 --> 00:55:02,080
with a skydiver in a wing suit.
1161
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,730
So I've been investigating accounts
1162
00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:06,360
of flying humanoids like the Mothman
1163
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,800
for many, many years.
1164
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,000
And, like the Thunderbirds,
1165
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,833
there seem to be
1166
00:55:09,833 --> 00:55:12,250
specific areas where they're
reported more than others.
1167
00:55:12,250 --> 00:55:14,500
I will say that the
Chicago cases do follow
1168
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:18,230
the basic pattern of,
again, flying humanoid flaps
1169
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:19,990
where you have a short period of time
1170
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:22,460
and on a high concentration
1171
00:55:22,460 --> 00:55:25,260
of these flying humanoid creatures
1172
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:27,800
being reported or encountered.
1173
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,470
Sightings of the Chicago Mothman
1174
00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:31,740
begin to draw local media attention
1175
00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:33,990
and soon the creature
was being written about
1176
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:36,823
in publications such as the Chicago Post.
1177
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:40,760
The articles were picked
up by the Associated Press
1178
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,680
and ran in newspapers
around the United States
1179
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,803
and soon a media sensation was born.
1180
00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:52,460
Just as it had in 1948 and 1977,
1181
00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:55,990
a winged creature flap was
drawing national attention.
1182
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:58,710
And just as it had in the previous waves,
1183
00:55:58,710 --> 00:56:00,500
the brighter the spotlight,
1184
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:03,240
the more the witnesses that came forward.
1185
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,600
And this happens
1186
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,880
with a lot of cases that
there are originally
1187
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,950
very credible stories behind it
1188
00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:14,350
and then the media descends,
monster hunters descend,
1189
00:56:14,350 --> 00:56:16,500
and all hell breaks loose.
1190
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,900
And now the reports
1191
00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:19,770
get stranger and stranger.
1192
00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:23,660
So I think the original reports
are what should be looked at
1193
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:26,260
and have a lot of credibility to them
1194
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:28,140
but some of the later reports,
1195
00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:30,480
just like every other crypto out there,
1196
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,170
have to be looked at with a little more,
1197
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:37,260
I think a little more of a critical eye.
1198
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:41,120
And the closer you get
to the actual eyewitnesses,
1199
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,060
it becomes clear that everybody's
seeing different things,
1200
00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:47,920
that there's different
levels of credibility
1201
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,510
in the eyewitnesses.
1202
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:53,230
And if there was 50 sightings in Chicago,
1203
00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:57,280
Chicago is an urban area,
all you would have to do
1204
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,940
is involve the law enforcement branch
1205
00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:02,690
of the city of Chicago
1206
00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:06,320
and there's CCTV cameras all over.
1207
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,110
Yeah, I'm familiar with
Chicago but I wasn't familiar
1208
00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:11,850
with each of the sighting locations.
1209
00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:15,010
And then upon going there, my question was
1210
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:18,350
why haven't more people
reported the Mothman
1211
00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:22,050
if he, or it, is indeed appearing
1212
00:57:22,050 --> 00:57:25,200
in these tremendously crowded locations
1213
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,030
where when I went there at
all times of day and night,
1214
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:31,180
I was constantly under foot.
1215
00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:32,570
I've spoken quite a bit
1216
00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:35,610
in the Chicago metro area
1217
00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:39,020
on monsters and legends
and I have yet to encounter
1218
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:41,680
anyone who not only has seen this,
1219
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,850
but that has a personal
story from a friend.
1220
00:57:44,850 --> 00:57:47,173
I have spoken to witnesses personally.
1221
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:51,940
I've worked very closely
with every investigator
1222
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:55,256
who has spoken to witnesses personally.
1223
00:57:55,256 --> 00:57:57,810
And if they think that
any of the investigators
1224
00:57:57,810 --> 00:58:00,230
are making it up, they're mistaken.
1225
00:58:00,230 --> 00:58:01,510
In the months following the intiial outbreak
1226
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:05,940
of reports, the Mothman
moniker stuck and reports
1227
00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:08,620
began expanding outside of the city.
1228
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:11,380
Suddenly, people were
seeing a similar creature
1229
00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:15,000
over cities and suburbs
all along the Great Lakes
1230
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,880
particularly in the town of Gary, Indiana,
1231
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,750
only 37 minutes to the south.
1232
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:23,250
The wave of sightings swept across Chicago
1233
00:58:23,250 --> 00:58:25,900
and continued into 2018.
1234
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:27,610
While investigators and researchers
1235
00:58:27,610 --> 00:58:31,090
continued to argue over the
possible cause of the flap,
1236
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:34,890
witnesses were still seeing
something in the skies overhead.
1237
00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:37,010
But what was it?
1238
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:39,780
The other explanation could possibly be
1239
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:42,500
what if something extraordinary did happen
1240
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:45,480
in the Illinois Chicagoland area?
1241
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,091
What if there was a UFO
1242
00:58:49,091 --> 00:58:53,450
or even a Thunderbird sighting
1243
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:57,670
and someone knew about it
that didn't want other people
1244
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:59,030
to believe it?
1245
00:58:59,030 --> 00:59:03,970
And so they, upon seeing that this account
1246
00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:07,020
would be released, flood
the information channels
1247
00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:08,370
with bogus accounts?
1248
00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:10,500
We've talked to a number
of people in Chicago.
1249
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:13,240
I think there probably were
some credible sightings
1250
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,420
but I think a lot of it
might have been exaggerated.
1251
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:17,210
In a big city, you're
gonna have an active sky.
1252
00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:18,930
You're always gonna have
things moving overhead.
1253
00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:21,300
'Cause of course now we
live in the age of drones
1254
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,160
that come in all kinds of
shapes including fixed wing
1255
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,370
that are bat-like shapes.
1256
00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:29,250
You also have tall buildings
so there's the potential
1257
00:59:29,250 --> 00:59:31,640
that there coulda been thrill
seekers doing base jumping
1258
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:32,900
with wing suits.
1259
00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:34,870
So there's all kinds of
possibilities you have
1260
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:37,150
when you've got a city versus, you know,
1261
00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:39,100
a corn field out in the middle of nowhere.
1262
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,040
You know, people may tend
to think of these things
1263
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,300
as flesh and blood animals
1264
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,570
and why would something like
that be near a big city?
1265
00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:48,403
If we consider
1266
00:59:48,403 --> 00:59:49,660
that these flying humanoids
Okay!
1267
00:59:49,660 --> 00:59:51,180
may not fit neatly
1268
00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:52,390
into the natural world
Okay, man.
1269
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:54,010
so to speak, that they may be something
1270
00:59:54,010 --> 00:59:57,240
more spectral or supernatural
1271
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,730
in nature, then that would create
1272
00:59:59,730 --> 01:00:01,910
no geographic delineations.
1273
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:04,010
These things could appear
at the time and place
1274
01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:05,060
of their choosing.
1275
01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:07,240
Maybe there's misidentification.
1276
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,810
Some of the researchers on
the case like Tobias Wayland
1277
01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:13,120
from Singular Fortean
think that, you know,
1278
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,660
perhaps global warming is causing
1279
01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:19,507
some migrational birds into areas
1280
01:00:19,507 --> 01:00:21,880
where you normally wouldn't see them.
1281
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,950
When it comes to the Chicago sightings,
1282
01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:26,400
I think that there are two disparate
1283
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,930
but concurrent phenomena.
1284
01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:30,646
And so the first is misidentifications
1285
01:00:30,646 --> 01:00:32,840
of large migratory birds.
1286
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,790
People started seeing these birds,
1287
01:00:34,790 --> 01:00:38,950
they started going online
to try to figure out
1288
01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:40,010
what they had seen.
1289
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:43,200
They find websites like
Phantoms & Monsters
1290
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,940
and UFO Clearinghouse and us
and they start reporting them.
1291
01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:49,350
So even though a lot of
those turned out to be
1292
01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:51,450
Great Blue Herons or something similar,
1293
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:54,140
it's actually led to a lot
1294
01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:57,410
of potentially paranormal sightings.
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01:00:57,410 --> 01:01:00,810
While accounts, encounters
with Thunderbirds,
1296
01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:03,390
flying humanoids, any of
these weird flying creatures
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01:01:03,390 --> 01:01:05,930
are considered omens, warnings, harbingers
1298
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:09,030
of tragic events, we must consider
1299
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:11,790
that the word monster
comes from a Latin word
1300
01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:13,410
that means warning.
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01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:15,810
So in a way, all of our
monsters are harbingers.
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01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:27,690
Illinois is a state defined by its legends.
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01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:29,890
Like the changing terrain that one finds
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01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:32,990
when they travel north to
south, the Prairie State
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01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:36,143
is awash in stories that
capture the imagination.
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01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:41,090
Perhaps no town within the
state has embraced those legends
1307
01:01:41,090 --> 01:01:42,730
more than Alton.
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01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:45,330
Here you will find a town
that celebrates tales
1309
01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:49,070
of giant men, mythical musicians, ghosts,
1310
01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:52,160
and winged cryptids all mingling together
1311
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,490
just like the waters of the three rivers
1312
01:01:54,490 --> 01:01:56,323
on whose banks it sits.
1313
01:01:57,810 --> 01:02:00,740
Centuries tend to carry away lies
1314
01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:03,760
but a legend is something else entirely,
1315
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,770
a tale told to bolster or frighten,
1316
01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:08,853
to invigorate or encourage.
1317
01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:12,210
Perhaps lost in the passage of time
1318
01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:14,310
is the fact that the
tellers were every bit
1319
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:16,170
as important to the story
1320
01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:20,453
as the characters or
creatures that populated it.
1321
01:02:25,770 --> 01:02:27,173
But where did it begin?
1322
01:02:28,210 --> 01:02:30,020
With discovery.
1323
01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:33,830
Discovery of a truth,
discovery of an experience
1324
01:02:33,830 --> 01:02:36,550
that must be related to others.
1325
01:02:36,550 --> 01:02:38,400
Discovery of a story
1326
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,010
that, like the mighty Mississippi itself,
1327
01:02:41,010 --> 01:02:42,373
can live forever.
1328
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,700
Discovery of a legend
still living right here
1329
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:50,253
amongst the vanishing Midwest.
1330
01:02:54,970 --> 01:02:56,170
The reason a lot of people
1331
01:02:56,170 --> 01:02:58,540
are interested in cryptozoology in general
1332
01:02:58,540 --> 01:03:01,190
is because people are
interested in animals
1333
01:03:01,190 --> 01:03:03,040
and they're interested in mysteries.
1334
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,330
Why should people be interested in,
1335
01:03:05,330 --> 01:03:07,150
for instance, Thunderbirds?
1336
01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:08,780
Because Thunderbirds could tell
1337
01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:09,930
us a lot.
1338
01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:12,240
They could tell us a lot about climate,
1339
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,100
about the terrain, about
their reactions to people
1340
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:17,940
to unknown animals.
1341
01:03:17,940 --> 01:03:20,540
Why are people afraid of animals
1342
01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:23,337
that are always above them?
1343
01:03:23,337 --> 01:03:25,140
And that is a key.
1344
01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:28,650
These animals terrify
because they could come
1345
01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:30,140
out of nowhere.
1346
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:33,040
They could kill you, they
can take your children,
1347
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,430
they could take your pets.
1348
01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:37,170
They don't have a clue about Thunderbirds
1349
01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:39,907
and that scares the bejeebas outta people.
1350
01:03:42,660 --> 01:03:46,060
Regardless of the objective truth
1351
01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:47,730
behind some of these stories,
1352
01:03:47,730 --> 01:03:50,610
they have a huge effect on people's lives
1353
01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:53,380
and they have a huge
effect on people's outlook.
1354
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:57,780
And I think that it teaches
us a lot about humanity
1355
01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:02,300
and I think that it's
sort of our ethical duty
1356
01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:05,860
as human beings to help each other
1357
01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:10,860
through our experiences.
1358
01:04:10,910 --> 01:04:13,350
For me personally,
collecting this kind of stuff
1359
01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:17,630
over the years is something
that, historically speaking,
1360
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:21,680
I find it to be very important
because these are stories
1361
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,240
that would be lost otherwise
1362
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,700
if someone wasn't writing them down.
1363
01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:28,050
And I think that, culturally speaking,
1364
01:04:28,050 --> 01:04:31,120
this is important to us because this is,
1365
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,470
some day this will be the
folklore of our generation.
1366
01:04:35,470 --> 01:04:39,330
I think that gathering
tales of ghosts and monsters
1367
01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:41,250
and giant birds and whatever
1368
01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:45,360
is important to American history,
1369
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,470
American culture, and it is something
1370
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:50,740
that future generations are gonna need
1371
01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:52,890
to understand what we were doing
1372
01:04:52,890 --> 01:04:55,961
in the 20th century and the 21st century.
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