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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:30,930 --> 00:00:33,600 Why does it begin, this quest 2 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,443 to understand the unexplainable? 3 00:00:36,410 --> 00:00:38,570 For some it's later in life 4 00:00:38,570 --> 00:00:41,070 long after the wide-eyed optimism of youth 5 00:00:41,070 --> 00:00:43,360 has left them and they believe the answers 6 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,673 to all life's mysteries are easily found in the mundane. 7 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,710 Maybe something happens to challenge 8 00:00:54,710 --> 00:00:56,460 their earth-bound assumptions 9 00:00:56,460 --> 00:00:59,999 and they're compelled to discover what really happened. 10 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:10,670 But some fall into the mysterious at a young age 11 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:12,550 and truly believe they can seek out 12 00:01:12,550 --> 00:01:15,532 new discoveries, new frontiers. 13 00:01:26,810 --> 00:01:28,310 Some no longer question 14 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:30,560 whether these boundaries even exist 15 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,050 or new revelations wait to be uncovered. 16 00:01:34,050 --> 00:01:37,923 They know that the universe still keeps some secrets. 17 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,030 They know because they've heard the eyewitness stories, 18 00:01:52,030 --> 00:01:54,890 the accounts from good, honest people of things 19 00:01:54,890 --> 00:01:56,363 that defy explanation. 20 00:02:12,620 --> 00:02:15,580 Or maybe they simply know because in their search 21 00:02:15,580 --> 00:02:20,133 for legends, they've seen one for themselves. 22 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,040 We see this blood smear on the road. 23 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,870 There was just a tremendous amount of blood. 24 00:02:43,870 --> 00:02:46,330 We see off in the distance this shadow, 25 00:02:46,330 --> 00:02:49,250 large, black, sorta hunched over figure. 26 00:02:49,250 --> 00:02:51,057 The thing turns and we realize 27 00:02:51,057 --> 00:02:52,015 it's not a person. Over the weekend 28 00:02:52,015 --> 00:02:54,010 It's this bird. out by this ranch 29 00:02:54,010 --> 00:02:55,313 in the middle of nowhere. 30 00:02:56,270 --> 00:02:58,517 A large bird flying in circles like the size 31 00:02:58,517 --> 00:03:00,160 of a single engine airplane. 32 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,921 Driving and all of a sudden 33 00:03:01,921 --> 00:03:03,427 they said, "Oh my God." Came into my bed. 34 00:03:03,427 --> 00:03:05,344 And he immediately woke up I looked over and there was 35 00:03:05,344 --> 00:03:06,177 and catched and there was 36 00:03:06,177 --> 00:03:07,137 a glimpse of this a huge bird there, 37 00:03:07,137 --> 00:03:08,190 giant black bird. so massive it could 38 00:03:08,190 --> 00:03:09,394 take up the whole window. 39 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:12,009 Largest bird I've ever seen 40 00:03:12,009 --> 00:03:13,661 in my entire life. 41 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:45,910 In the news today, 42 00:03:45,910 --> 00:03:49,580 yet another sighting of the infamous Chicago Mothman. 43 00:03:49,580 --> 00:03:52,470 The Tribune is covering this latest what they're calling 44 00:03:52,470 --> 00:03:56,470 flap about sightings of this giant winged demonic thing 45 00:03:56,470 --> 00:03:59,630 people are seeing right here in downtown Chicaco. 46 00:03:59,630 --> 00:04:01,980 A woman walking her dog claimed she encountered 47 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:04,197 a creature standing in the park. 48 00:04:04,197 --> 00:04:07,737 "I saw a large man probably seven feet or taller 49 00:04:07,737 --> 00:04:10,430 "standing on the ground," according to the account 50 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:12,297 published by Strickler. 51 00:04:12,297 --> 00:04:13,660 "It was solid black." 52 00:04:13,660 --> 00:04:15,560 In 2017, sightings 53 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,220 of a giant flying creature begin taking place 54 00:04:18,220 --> 00:04:20,210 around the city of Chicago. 55 00:04:20,210 --> 00:04:23,300 While the being seen by many Chicagoans was said to be 56 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:26,070 simply an abnormally large bird, 57 00:04:26,070 --> 00:04:29,520 the media soon dubbed it the Chicago Mothman 58 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,420 in reference to a similar phantom seen in the skies 59 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:34,790 above Point Pleasant, West Virginia, 60 00:04:34,790 --> 00:04:37,570 in 1966 and 1967. 61 00:04:37,570 --> 00:04:38,810 But what really stood out 62 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:40,760 were the large, and I do mean large, 63 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,640 pair of wings. While the Chicago sightings 64 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,550 drew the attention of local and national media, 65 00:04:45,550 --> 00:04:47,480 unusual occurrences were nothing new 66 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,080 to paranormal researchers familiar with the Prairie State. 67 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,380 We'll keep following this story 68 00:04:52,380 --> 00:04:55,090 in the days ahead no doubt so keep it tuned right here 69 00:04:55,090 --> 00:04:57,516 to 97.1, The Lake. 70 00:05:12,648 --> 00:05:16,107 I began in cryptozoology in the late '50s 71 00:05:17,494 --> 00:05:20,300 and one of the first things that I investigated 72 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:22,870 was a report of a black panther. 73 00:05:22,870 --> 00:05:25,830 And I went out with a game warden 74 00:05:25,830 --> 00:05:28,070 and I musta been 12 years old. 75 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:31,310 They found tracks, they interviewed the individual 76 00:05:31,310 --> 00:05:33,930 who said they saw a panther-like creature, 77 00:05:33,930 --> 00:05:37,200 got back in the truck with the game warden 78 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,580 and he said, "They just saw a beaver." 79 00:05:40,580 --> 00:05:44,970 And that kind of made me know what I was getting into 80 00:05:44,970 --> 00:05:48,290 that most people don't believe these things, 81 00:05:48,290 --> 00:05:50,980 they don't really listen to witnesses. 82 00:05:50,980 --> 00:05:53,560 They go in with a pre-conceived notion 83 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,400 and I wanted to be more open-minded 84 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,020 and that's what I started doing. 85 00:06:09,190 --> 00:06:10,240 My name is Troy Taylor 86 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,590 and I was born and raised in Illinois. 87 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:15,500 I have lived all over the state of Illinois. 88 00:06:15,500 --> 00:06:17,610 Currently I live in Jacksonville, Illinois. 89 00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:22,300 My sole interest beginning in anything that wasn't ghosts 90 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:25,630 was because I read Loren Coleman's book Mysterious America 91 00:06:25,630 --> 00:06:26,630 when I was in high school. 92 00:06:26,630 --> 00:06:29,820 The thing I loved about it the most is that so many 93 00:06:29,820 --> 00:06:32,790 of his stories were based in Illinois 94 00:06:32,790 --> 00:06:35,700 and I didn't know why till I saw an article about him 95 00:06:35,700 --> 00:06:38,210 in our local paper and realized he was from Decatur, too. 96 00:06:38,210 --> 00:06:41,130 You know, it was Loren who put me on the path 97 00:06:41,130 --> 00:06:44,380 of well, you know, there's a lotta cool stuff in Illinois. 98 00:06:44,380 --> 00:06:48,320 I rarely meet people who don't either know someone 99 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,300 or have a family member who had some sort of encounter 100 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:53,280 in their life, in their entire lifetime. 101 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,440 Even if they don't believe in this kinda stuff, 102 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,300 these things tend to happen or are drawn to people. 103 00:06:58,300 --> 00:07:02,660 And I think that that seems to make Illinois more haunted 104 00:07:02,660 --> 00:07:05,230 than other states but I don't think that's the case. 105 00:07:05,230 --> 00:07:06,850 I think they're all very haunted 106 00:07:06,850 --> 00:07:10,170 or all drawn to the paranormal. 107 00:07:10,170 --> 00:07:12,770 It's just somebody's gotta write this stuff down. 108 00:07:12,770 --> 00:07:14,233 Somebody's gotta collect it. 109 00:07:16,410 --> 00:07:17,680 I grew up in Illinois. 110 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,310 I lived in Illinois most of my life 111 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:26,300 from 1947 through 1975. 112 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:31,300 And I really saw Illinois as a little United States. 113 00:07:32,190 --> 00:07:34,790 The state of Illinois is a lot bigger than people think. 114 00:07:34,790 --> 00:07:36,400 You try to drive tip to tip in Illinois, 115 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,050 it's about an eight-hour drive. 116 00:07:38,050 --> 00:07:40,670 You have the urban area in Chicago, 117 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:44,770 then the river area in the northern part of the state. 118 00:07:44,770 --> 00:07:47,040 You've got Chicago, you've got a big metropolitan area. 119 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,873 In Northern Illinois, 120 00:07:47,873 --> 00:07:49,580 you have the Illinois River 121 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:53,370 and all the bluffs and the wooded areas and the canyons. 122 00:07:53,370 --> 00:07:55,240 And then you get into the middle of the state 123 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,440 where everything's flat. 124 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,650 There just isn't a lot geographically 125 00:07:59,650 --> 00:08:01,665 across the middle of the state that's unusual. 126 00:08:02,498 --> 00:08:05,040 To me there's nothing more beautiful 127 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,540 than driving across that flat land 128 00:08:08,540 --> 00:08:10,770 and seeing a thunderstorm come toward you. 129 00:08:10,770 --> 00:08:12,780 But when you travel further south, 130 00:08:12,780 --> 00:08:14,520 then you get into a whole different area. 131 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,580 Once you get to the southern part of the state, 132 00:08:16,580 --> 00:08:19,490 you will swear you have left Illinois. 133 00:08:19,490 --> 00:08:22,740 And then southern Illinois, Little Egypt, 134 00:08:22,740 --> 00:08:25,000 is a whole different country. 135 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,090 It's like a little swampy land, there's rolling hills. 136 00:08:29,090 --> 00:08:30,710 This is the edge of the Ozarks 137 00:08:30,710 --> 00:08:32,610 and there are mountains 138 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:37,210 and hills and canyons and rivers and it's a wild region. 139 00:08:37,210 --> 00:08:38,540 And you find that a lot 140 00:08:38,540 --> 00:08:42,060 of these strange anomalous animal sightings 141 00:08:42,060 --> 00:08:45,040 all seem to come to the southern part of the state. 142 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,920 And then along the western edge, 143 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,020 you have the Mississippi River 144 00:08:48,020 --> 00:08:50,902 which is completely different again. 145 00:08:57,510 --> 00:08:59,940 The town of Alton, Illinois, sits on the banks 146 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:02,450 of the Mississippi at the confluence 147 00:09:02,450 --> 00:09:06,770 of the Illinois, the Mississippi, and the Missouri Rivers. 148 00:09:06,770 --> 00:09:09,550 Situated in the furthest reaches of the state, 149 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:12,760 it's an often overlooked destination with a rich history 150 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,640 that defines it as one of the most important pieces 151 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,110 of a century-old puzzle. 152 00:09:18,110 --> 00:09:20,580 Alton was founded in 1818 153 00:09:20,580 --> 00:09:24,150 and, despite its considerably smaller size, 154 00:09:24,150 --> 00:09:27,710 was conceived as a sister city to St. Louis. 155 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:29,050 The region was once home 156 00:09:29,050 --> 00:09:30,450 to Native Americans 157 00:09:30,450 --> 00:09:33,190 who had called southern Illinois home for centuries 158 00:09:33,190 --> 00:09:35,903 prior to the arrival of European settlers. 159 00:09:36,750 --> 00:09:39,510 Naturally, the incursion into the Midwest 160 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:41,070 caused a number of skirmishes 161 00:09:41,070 --> 00:09:42,430 between the local natives 162 00:09:42,430 --> 00:09:45,631 and the outsiders. 163 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:49,190 Over time, Alton became 164 00:09:49,190 --> 00:09:51,840 incredibly important to Illinois' economy 165 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,870 as it grew into an industrial hub 166 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:56,420 thanks to its location along the river. 167 00:09:56,420 --> 00:09:59,810 This was the start of a town that's had a lot 168 00:09:59,810 --> 00:10:03,000 of odd things drawn to it over the years. 169 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,460 It's a town that's plagued by stories of ghosts 170 00:10:06,460 --> 00:10:08,460 and hauntings and strange creatures 171 00:10:08,460 --> 00:10:11,960 and that dates back to really the beginning. 172 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,540 It's a place where there's been a lotta death, 173 00:10:13,540 --> 00:10:15,540 there's been diseases, there's been flooding. 174 00:10:15,540 --> 00:10:17,800 There was a Civil War prison located there. 175 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:18,680 And it's become known 176 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:20,800 as one of the most haunted small towns in America 177 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,332 because of all the history that's taken place there. 178 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:27,410 Alton's geographical location 179 00:10:27,410 --> 00:10:30,000 places it in a historically significant region 180 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,850 known as the Gateway to the West. 181 00:10:32,850 --> 00:10:34,690 As Lewis and Clark began their journey 182 00:10:34,690 --> 00:10:37,630 across the United States in 1804, 183 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:40,130 the current location of Alton would've been an area 184 00:10:40,130 --> 00:10:42,350 they traveled through during the early days 185 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:43,763 of the western expansion. 186 00:10:44,710 --> 00:10:47,760 While Alton has a noteworthy role in history, 187 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,740 it hasn't always been a positive one. 188 00:10:50,740 --> 00:10:53,360 At the Confederate prison located in Alton, 189 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,000 the Union Army kept as many as 12,000 soldiers captive 190 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,533 in horrifying conditions that led to disease and death. 191 00:11:01,870 --> 00:11:03,240 In the years to follow, 192 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,710 the mighty Mississippi would overflow its banks 193 00:11:05,710 --> 00:11:07,260 on multiple occasions 194 00:11:07,260 --> 00:11:10,170 resulting in catastrophic flooding. 195 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,740 For followers of the strange and unusual, 196 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:14,850 these aspects of the town's history 197 00:11:14,850 --> 00:11:17,410 might ring strangely familiar. 198 00:11:17,410 --> 00:11:18,910 So I find a lot of connections 199 00:11:18,910 --> 00:11:21,070 between Alton as a river community 200 00:11:21,070 --> 00:11:23,490 and other river communities across the country 201 00:11:23,490 --> 00:11:25,210 like Point Pleasant in West Virginia. 202 00:11:25,210 --> 00:11:28,090 It's got the same type of history in that you've got 203 00:11:28,090 --> 00:11:30,000 Native Americans, you've got bloodshed, 204 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,980 you've got diseases, and you've got this great history. 205 00:11:32,980 --> 00:11:34,870 Point Pleasant is also one of those towns 206 00:11:34,870 --> 00:11:36,920 that, not only has a haunted history, 207 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,550 but also has, of course, the Mothman legend 208 00:11:39,550 --> 00:11:40,730 connected to it. 209 00:11:40,730 --> 00:11:43,440 So you've go the Piasa Bird in one place, 210 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,340 you've got the Mothman in the other, 211 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:49,040 and all of this energy drawn to these towns 212 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,530 with all this water. 213 00:11:50,530 --> 00:11:54,240 And I think any time you have a river community 214 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,570 you're gonna have more stories. 215 00:11:55,570 --> 00:11:56,660 You're gonna have more ghost stories, 216 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:58,580 you're gonna have more weird encounters, 217 00:11:58,580 --> 00:12:00,723 you're gonna have more strange legends. 218 00:12:15,310 --> 00:12:17,410 For many years people have been discussing something 219 00:12:17,410 --> 00:12:18,920 known as the Piasa 220 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,120 which allegedly is 221 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,300 an Illinois Native American Thunderbird creature. 222 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:25,890 There's a long history and story behind this creature. 223 00:12:25,890 --> 00:12:27,100 It first appears 224 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:32,100 in the work of a Jesuit missionary name Jacques Marquette. 225 00:12:32,250 --> 00:12:34,610 And in 1673 he was exploring 226 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:38,470 the Mississippi River and he saw these giant pictographs, 227 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:41,550 these rock paintings on the side of cliffs. 228 00:12:41,550 --> 00:12:44,620 Dating even further back than before the city 229 00:12:44,620 --> 00:12:47,230 actually started was when Marquette and Joliet 230 00:12:47,230 --> 00:12:49,767 came down the Mississippi River in 1673 231 00:12:49,767 --> 00:12:52,060 and claimed the entire region for France. 232 00:12:52,060 --> 00:12:55,310 They'd already been primed for weird things in Illinois. 233 00:12:55,310 --> 00:12:57,140 Well, they come around a curve in the river 234 00:12:57,140 --> 00:13:00,510 near what's now Alton and painted on the side of the bluff 235 00:13:00,510 --> 00:13:03,787 is two renditions of this monster. 236 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,950 The Illini Indians used the word Piasa 237 00:13:10,950 --> 00:13:13,749 as the bird that would devour humans. 238 00:13:14,582 --> 00:13:17,690 And the whole story was that the Piasa Bird 239 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:19,700 would come down and eat people 240 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,020 or that some of the tribal groups 241 00:13:22,020 --> 00:13:25,460 had to, in some ways, give a sacrifice 242 00:13:25,460 --> 00:13:26,510 of young people 243 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:28,150 to the Piasa Birds. 244 00:13:28,150 --> 00:13:32,480 One of the major chiefs decided enough was enough. 245 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,460 I don't wanna do this anymore. 246 00:13:34,460 --> 00:13:36,400 I'm losing a lot of my people 247 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,490 so he actually went on one of the cliffs 248 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:40,903 where the sacrifice was given 249 00:13:46,750 --> 00:13:49,643 and when the Piasa Bird came down, 250 00:13:51,750 --> 00:13:54,978 he had 11 warriors come out and kill it. 251 00:14:03,580 --> 00:14:07,740 That story's really come down as the creation story, 252 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:10,460 so to speak, of the Piasa Bird. 253 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:11,740 There's always been a question 254 00:14:11,740 --> 00:14:12,850 as to whether or not 255 00:14:12,850 --> 00:14:15,750 the Piasa Bird was a true story or not. 256 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:17,540 Of course the Native Americans claimed it was. 257 00:14:17,540 --> 00:14:19,340 And after they painted that mural, 258 00:14:19,340 --> 00:14:21,240 as they passed it on the Mississippi River, 259 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,480 they would fire arrows at it, 260 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,020 they would fire rifles at it, 261 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:26,560 they would blow tobacco smoke at it, 262 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,350 all in tribute to its ferocity. 263 00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:32,450 In the 1830s, a professor at Shurtleff College 264 00:14:32,450 --> 00:14:35,210 in Alton, Illinois, wrote an article 265 00:14:35,210 --> 00:14:36,500 about the Piasa. 266 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:37,400 And he claimed 267 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,840 that the Illini people told him 268 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,070 that these creatures were actually giant birds 269 00:14:43,070 --> 00:14:45,180 and that the name literally meant 270 00:14:45,180 --> 00:14:47,110 the bird that devours men. 271 00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:48,560 And in 1836, 272 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,420 he went looking for what he had heard 273 00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:54,020 was a cave that was connected to the Piasa Bird 274 00:14:54,020 --> 00:14:54,890 in some way. 275 00:14:54,890 --> 00:14:57,470 He hired a young man to take him up into the bluffs. 276 00:14:57,470 --> 00:15:00,770 They spent the entire day hunting for this cave. 277 00:15:00,770 --> 00:15:03,220 And after climbing up the sheer face 278 00:15:03,220 --> 00:15:05,560 of one of the cliffs, they entered a cave. 279 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,380 And as they walked inside, he said he could hear 280 00:15:08,380 --> 00:15:09,320 the sound of something 281 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,150 crunching under his feet. 282 00:15:11,150 --> 00:15:13,000 And when he lit a torch to see what it was, 283 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,740 he discovered that he was in a cave 284 00:15:14,740 --> 00:15:16,860 completely filled with human bones. 285 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:20,450 This was allegedly the Piasa cave. 286 00:15:20,450 --> 00:15:22,330 This is where the bird was taking its victims, 287 00:15:22,330 --> 00:15:24,710 and eating them, and leaving its bones behind. 288 00:15:24,710 --> 00:15:27,710 The problem is is that no one else has ever found this cave. 289 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:32,650 Researchers have uncovered the fact 290 00:15:32,650 --> 00:15:36,480 that this article was probably highly fictionalized 291 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,210 and that he took a lot of physical embellishment 292 00:15:38,210 --> 00:15:39,877 because the original Piasa creatures, 293 00:15:39,877 --> 00:15:42,640 the pictographs did not display wings at all. 294 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,840 There were some people who even criticized the fact 295 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,320 that it had wings and Marquette and Joliet 296 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:48,570 didn't make a note of that. 297 00:15:48,570 --> 00:15:51,280 Well, it turns out that there really were wings 298 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,080 but they were usually only visible when the bluffs were wet. 299 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,840 The original Piasa Bird mural 300 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,870 was eventually destroyed in the mid-1800s 301 00:15:59,870 --> 00:16:01,200 but was recreated again 302 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,920 in the 1870s 303 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,123 by Professor William McAdams. 304 00:16:06,050 --> 00:16:08,530 This recreation was based on descriptions 305 00:16:08,530 --> 00:16:11,550 of the lost mural by local settlers. 306 00:16:11,550 --> 00:16:13,730 The supposed cave containing the bones 307 00:16:13,730 --> 00:16:17,020 of the Piasa Bird victims was never found. 308 00:16:17,020 --> 00:16:18,894 And whether or not the Piasa Bird was even 309 00:16:18,894 --> 00:16:20,780 a winged cryptid, 310 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:23,863 remains a debate among historians and researchers. 311 00:16:24,820 --> 00:16:27,120 One thing is sure, however, 312 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,130 Alton, Illinois, was a town 313 00:16:29,130 --> 00:16:31,973 that seemed to be a magnet for the unusual. 314 00:16:45,540 --> 00:16:47,970 Really from the 1700s, 315 00:16:47,970 --> 00:16:49,700 there started to be 316 00:16:49,700 --> 00:16:53,020 documentation in this record 317 00:16:53,020 --> 00:16:56,300 that certain people who were explorers, 318 00:16:56,300 --> 00:16:59,440 who were colonists, who were native peoples 319 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,600 were seeing large birds. 320 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,270 And they would often see them on the top of mountains, 321 00:17:04,270 --> 00:17:08,590 on bald mountains, in caves, in different things like that. 322 00:17:08,590 --> 00:17:10,840 They didn't wanna get too close to them 323 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,330 but they certainly knew they had to deal with these things. 324 00:17:14,330 --> 00:17:16,210 Accounts of giant monstrous birds 325 00:17:16,210 --> 00:17:18,630 actually date back decades. 326 00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:20,230 Even into the 19th century 327 00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:21,300 you have accounts as old 328 00:17:21,300 --> 00:17:23,692 as the 1860s. 329 00:17:23,692 --> 00:17:26,520 In 1868 in Missouri, there was a group of children 330 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,180 out playing at school. 331 00:17:28,180 --> 00:17:31,100 The school teacher came out and saw this huge bird 332 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:32,970 swoop down, grab ahold 333 00:17:32,970 --> 00:17:34,570 of a boy and literally 334 00:17:34,570 --> 00:17:37,090 carry him away and disappear. 335 00:17:37,090 --> 00:17:38,840 Apparently it was well-documented 336 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,820 and it probably happened. 337 00:17:40,820 --> 00:17:43,530 And these sightings tend to occur in flaps, 338 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:45,610 that is clusters, many clusters of sightings 339 00:17:45,610 --> 00:17:47,400 in a concentrated area. 340 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,390 There was a big, what they call, a flap 341 00:17:49,390 --> 00:17:52,210 around the Alton area in the 1940s. 342 00:17:52,210 --> 00:17:55,020 And people were seeing these large birds in the skies 343 00:17:55,020 --> 00:17:56,230 and didn't really know what they were. 344 00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:57,440 People were calling them Thunderbirds 345 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,880 because, of course, that's the Native American name for 'em 346 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,479 and what they traditionally called. 347 00:18:02,312 --> 00:18:04,240 But in the 1940s around Alton 348 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,750 and spreading out even into Springfield 349 00:18:06,750 --> 00:18:10,240 and up to the northern state of Wisconsin, 350 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,820 people were seeing these giant bird-like creatures. 351 00:18:13,820 --> 00:18:17,340 And you can actually follow some of the paths 352 00:18:17,340 --> 00:18:18,970 of these creatures by following 353 00:18:18,970 --> 00:18:20,630 the newspaper accounts 354 00:18:20,630 --> 00:18:23,630 that each town the night after would report 355 00:18:23,630 --> 00:18:25,548 people seeing these. 356 00:18:34,813 --> 00:18:36,450 In the small town of Alton, 357 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:38,940 strange flying creatures are making a merry mess 358 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:40,170 of the panicked masses 359 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:42,113 as more and more reports flood in. 360 00:18:42,946 --> 00:18:46,510 Where do these bizarre beaked bearers of bad luck originate? 361 00:18:46,510 --> 00:18:49,782 Are they giant birds or mere mass hysteria? 362 00:18:49,782 --> 00:18:51,860 You be the judge. 363 00:18:51,860 --> 00:18:54,720 In early April of 1948, there began 364 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,600 to be sightings around Alto 365 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,950 of some sort of giant bird. 366 00:18:58,950 --> 00:19:00,670 And everyone described it about the same. 367 00:19:00,670 --> 00:19:02,100 It was gray. 368 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:04,020 I find with all these sightings the wingspans 369 00:19:04,020 --> 00:19:06,440 seemed to kind of vary a little but not much. 370 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:07,910 The fact that they were all so close 371 00:19:07,910 --> 00:19:09,270 I thought was impressive. 372 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:12,350 When I was a very young boy and getting into this, 373 00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:15,890 I discovered that microfiche and microfilm 374 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:19,630 in libraries, you could look through old records. 375 00:19:19,630 --> 00:19:23,780 And found all of these stories from 1948 376 00:19:23,780 --> 00:19:25,820 that nobody had discovered. 377 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:29,150 And I found one story in April 378 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:31,960 when the whole big flap 379 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,770 in 1948 began. 380 00:19:33,770 --> 00:19:34,790 I found probably 381 00:19:34,790 --> 00:19:37,130 the most convincing of all of those sightings 382 00:19:37,130 --> 00:19:39,490 were a couple of retired military guys 383 00:19:39,490 --> 00:19:42,780 one of which was the head of the Western Military Academy 384 00:19:42,780 --> 00:19:44,193 which was in Alton at the time. 385 00:19:44,193 --> 00:19:45,330 And the first that we're familiar with 386 00:19:45,330 --> 00:19:47,240 goes back to April of 1948. 387 00:19:48,512 --> 00:19:51,660 And the first may in fact have been a army colonel 388 00:19:51,660 --> 00:19:55,370 name Walter Sigmund who was standing at an airbase 389 00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:57,860 talking to another colonel and a farmer 390 00:19:57,860 --> 00:20:00,360 and he claimed he looked up and saw this, 391 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:02,990 what he thought at first was an airplane flying overhead 392 00:20:02,990 --> 00:20:05,530 until he saw this thing flap its wings. 393 00:20:05,530 --> 00:20:07,420 And at that point he realized that this thing 394 00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:10,093 was an airplane-sized bird literally. 395 00:20:13,302 --> 00:20:16,320 In April of 1948, the St. Louis Dispatch 396 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,350 ran an eyewitness account told to a mother and father 397 00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:21,160 by their young son. 398 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,330 The boy had spied what he claimed to be 399 00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:27,300 a giant grayish-green bird over their home in Overland 400 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:31,683 just 25 miles south of Alton in January of the same year. 401 00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:35,180 The family was initially hesitant to come forward 402 00:20:35,180 --> 00:20:36,430 with their story. 403 00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:39,120 However, as the Sigmund account found its way 404 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,380 into area newspapers, suddenly other witnesses 405 00:20:42,380 --> 00:20:44,820 who had seen giant birds felt compelled 406 00:20:44,820 --> 00:20:47,383 to add their own reports to the public record. 407 00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:51,750 Alongside the Walter Sigmund sighting was another one 408 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:54,440 from April 9th, 1948. 409 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,120 In this case, Mr. and Mrs. Robert Price 410 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,710 of Caledonia, Illinois, describe seeing 411 00:20:59,710 --> 00:21:02,273 a monstrous bird bigger than an airplane. 412 00:21:03,130 --> 00:21:05,390 They reported seeing enormous wings 413 00:21:05,390 --> 00:21:08,683 and what they took to be massive legs and feet beneath it. 414 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:13,400 On April 10th, the winged monstrosity appeared again 415 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,460 in the sky above Overland, observed by a couple 416 00:21:16,460 --> 00:21:19,293 and their acquaintance as it soared over their home. 417 00:21:20,140 --> 00:21:22,540 Their initial assumption was that they were witnessing 418 00:21:22,540 --> 00:21:24,713 an airplane maneuvering through the sky. 419 00:21:25,670 --> 00:21:28,660 There was a truck driver named Verle Babb 420 00:21:28,660 --> 00:21:31,200 who was driving one morning and claimed 421 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,900 that he saw this thing, a giant bird 422 00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:36,620 swooping down trying to pick up a small piglet 423 00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:37,590 at a pig farm. 424 00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:38,710 There's a famous account 425 00:21:38,710 --> 00:21:41,310 from a lady doctor in Alton, Illinois, 426 00:21:41,310 --> 00:21:42,870 who claims she looked out her window 427 00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:45,220 and saw a Thunderbird flying by. 428 00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:49,000 She said that it looked like a Piper Cub. 429 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,240 A bird, no, a airplane. 430 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,290 She thought it was that huge. 431 00:21:54,290 --> 00:21:58,270 And people started saying maybe we should pay attention. 432 00:21:58,270 --> 00:22:01,000 And there was also a sighting of a farmer and his wife, 433 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,660 a man named Charles Pierce who claimed 434 00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:04,680 that they saw this monster-sized bird. 435 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,480 Now, most of the descriptions were very similar 436 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,980 and people were describing literally an airplane-sized bird 437 00:22:10,980 --> 00:22:15,060 with a wingspan perhaps 20 feet, 25 feet across. 438 00:22:15,060 --> 00:22:18,390 And this went on for a few weeks 439 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:20,360 until around the end of the month. 440 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:22,398 It also showed up across the river in St. Louis. 441 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,980 Sightings on the Missouri side 442 00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:29,930 of the Mississippi River were covered with greater intensity 443 00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:32,980 than the Alton sightings given their closer proximity 444 00:22:32,980 --> 00:22:35,158 to the bustling city of St. Louis. 445 00:22:35,991 --> 00:22:38,060 The St. Louis Dispatch recounted sightings 446 00:22:38,060 --> 00:22:40,700 of an airplane-sized gray-black bird 447 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:44,340 seen all over the region during the two-week span. 448 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:46,600 One of the most memorable giant bird sightings 449 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,280 took place on April 26th. 450 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,360 This involved a group of flight instructors 451 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,530 at the Mississippi School of Aeronautics in St. Louis 452 00:22:54,530 --> 00:22:57,320 who spotted an abnormally large bird flying 453 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,670 at nearly 1200 above the airstrip. 454 00:23:00,670 --> 00:23:04,180 On April 27th, salesman Harry Bradford was driving 455 00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:07,100 down the Red Feather Highway in the late afternoon 456 00:23:07,100 --> 00:23:10,200 when he spotted something huge flying above him. 457 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,860 He pulled to the side of the road and shined a spotlight 458 00:23:12,860 --> 00:23:13,823 into the sky. 459 00:23:14,656 --> 00:23:15,570 Using the light, 460 00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:17,210 he could positively identify 461 00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:20,100 it as a strangely massive bird. 462 00:23:20,100 --> 00:23:21,390 In the days to follow, 463 00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:23,610 he would claim to have three more sightings 464 00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:25,834 of the very same creature. 465 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,600 Things took an even stranger turn 466 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,540 when three St. Louis locals saw what they described 467 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:34,610 as a Piper Cub-sized bird in the night sky 468 00:23:34,610 --> 00:23:35,803 around 10 p.m. 469 00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:38,710 They recalled seeing it flap its wings 470 00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:41,370 and move unusually fast through the darkness 471 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:44,880 at an altitude of perhaps 3000 feet. 472 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,500 Most unusual was the fact that the creature seemed 473 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:50,410 to be illuminated by a dull glow emanating 474 00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:51,653 from within its body. 475 00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:54,970 The hysteria surrounding the bird sightings 476 00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:58,040 reached a feverish pitch when the Civil Air Patrol 477 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,630 offered to make aerial searches for the bird 478 00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:02,812 which was now making national news. 479 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,180 One of the most entertaining parts 480 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:08,330 of this flap of sightings 481 00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:09,700 was that the mayor of Alton 482 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:11,680 kept getting all these letters from people 483 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,250 demanding that he do something about this bird 484 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,530 because for all they knew it was gonna eat people 485 00:24:16,530 --> 00:24:17,890 like the Piasa Bird. 486 00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:20,040 And so he put his assistant in charge 487 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,540 of trying to track down this creature and trap it. 488 00:24:22,540 --> 00:24:26,510 Then the mayor got involved and a heron was caught 489 00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:29,350 and tracks were found on the mud bank. 490 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:31,550 It kinda got to be a media event 491 00:24:31,550 --> 00:24:34,720 and became what we call nine day wonder 492 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,470 because it really was in the newspaper nine days. 493 00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:39,980 But in those nine days, people talked 494 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:42,560 about several months of reports. 495 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,130 But it seemed as soon as public interest in it peaked, 496 00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:47,100 it just stopped. 497 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:51,130 Wherever this thing went it moved on somewhere else. 498 00:24:51,130 --> 00:24:54,360 It moved on, the people forgot about it, 499 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,903 and they went back to living. 500 00:24:59,030 --> 00:25:00,030 So what was it 501 00:25:00,030 --> 00:25:03,160 that people saw in 1948 and does it have 502 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,963 any historical precedents? 503 00:25:06,260 --> 00:25:09,190 While there are occasional accounts of large bird sightings 504 00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:12,610 around the Prairie State, they aren't exactly common 505 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:15,343 and when they do come, it's in waves. 506 00:25:16,910 --> 00:25:19,370 It would be odd for some sort of natural animal 507 00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:22,593 to only occasionally travel to a geographical region. 508 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,430 Perhaps the answers as to what people were seeing in Alton 509 00:25:26,430 --> 00:25:29,833 in those days dwells within the pages of history. 510 00:25:32,774 --> 00:25:33,607 One of the most 511 00:25:33,607 --> 00:25:34,560 compelling lines of evidence 512 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,070 with regard to quote unquote Thunderbirds 513 00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:40,980 is that you have so many widespread Native American legends 514 00:25:40,980 --> 00:25:43,080 that refer to these monstrous eagles 515 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,150 or Thunderbirds, giant birds. 516 00:25:45,150 --> 00:25:47,000 These Native American Thunderbird accounts 517 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,370 range from the Pacific Northwest to the Southwest, 518 00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:53,570 the Great Plains, New England, and so on and so forth. 519 00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:55,070 So isn't it interesting that we have 520 00:25:55,070 --> 00:25:58,490 all of these widespread different cultures 521 00:25:58,490 --> 00:26:00,620 that refer to identical animals. 522 00:26:00,620 --> 00:26:04,610 Many saw this as, again, bad luck, 523 00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:06,520 an omen, that these creatures 524 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,250 would show up and you did not want to see them. 525 00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:14,080 Many cultures are even hesitant to say the name 526 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,170 of these creatures with the belief that even mentioning them 527 00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:20,213 is enough to put you on their radar. 528 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:22,670 One of the things that Thunderbirds 529 00:26:22,670 --> 00:26:25,190 are often depicted doing is shooting lightning 530 00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:27,300 from their beaks or their eyes or their head. 531 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:28,900 They're very closely associated, 532 00:26:28,900 --> 00:26:32,800 almost in an elemental aspect, with thunder and storms. 533 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,810 These giant birds are associated with storm fronts 534 00:26:36,810 --> 00:26:39,760 that the beating of their wings sounds like thunder. 535 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:40,593 I know there may be 536 00:26:40,593 --> 00:26:42,130 a scientific reason 537 00:26:42,130 --> 00:26:45,570 behind this if we consider that large birds 538 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:49,350 could take advantage of the thermal updrafts 539 00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:51,430 that are at the forefront of storms 540 00:26:51,430 --> 00:26:52,730 and that perhaps 541 00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:54,838 it helps them fly and so forth. 542 00:27:14,430 --> 00:27:15,720 It's difficult to define 543 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,070 just where central Illinois begins but for many 544 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:22,960 the flat endless acres of corn, wheat, and soybean fields 545 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,382 define the Prairie State. 546 00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:30,820 Here among the ruins of the once-vibrant homes 547 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:33,810 and businesses, small pockets of civilization 548 00:27:33,810 --> 00:27:36,010 have managed to survive among the decline 549 00:27:36,010 --> 00:27:37,717 of agriculture and industry. 550 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,633 Imagine a Midwest once alive and booming. 551 00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:02,700 These small towns situated along old highways 552 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:03,980 which today are shells 553 00:28:03,980 --> 00:28:05,520 of their former glory 554 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,492 were once micro-cities. 555 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,820 Dance halls, grocery stores, bars, and nightlife 556 00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:15,220 were just around every corner. 557 00:28:15,220 --> 00:28:17,050 Lawndale was no different. 558 00:28:23,030 --> 00:28:26,850 Lawndale, Illinois, is a quiet town 559 00:28:26,850 --> 00:28:29,680 in Logan County, Central Illinois. 560 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,190 Nothing much ever happens there. 561 00:28:36,765 --> 00:28:38,880 Lawndale, Illinois, is located actually 562 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,910 right off Interstate 55. 563 00:28:40,910 --> 00:28:42,923 It is a little north of Lincoln. 564 00:28:43,790 --> 00:28:45,340 It's not easy to find on a map 565 00:28:45,340 --> 00:28:46,980 because it's a very small town. 566 00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:49,750 I believe the population is less than a thousand. 567 00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:52,190 It's just a ordinary little community 568 00:28:52,190 --> 00:28:53,310 on the side of the road. 569 00:28:53,310 --> 00:28:55,670 I can't give you anything famous about it 570 00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:58,070 because as far as I'm concerned the only really famous thing 571 00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:59,300 that ever happened there 572 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:04,273 was the July 25th, 1977, attack by a Thunderbird. 573 00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,100 Nearly 30 years had passed 574 00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,280 since the Thunderbird wave 575 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,273 had swept across southern Illinois in 1948. 576 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:19,900 While occasional sightings of large birds in Illinois 577 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,390 were still reported, giant, winged cryptids 578 00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:25,660 had long since been forgotten. 579 00:29:25,660 --> 00:29:28,580 Despite the tales of small children being carried away 580 00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:32,430 by Thunderbirds in Missouri, kids were free to play outside 581 00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:35,410 at all hours of the day and rarely looked to the sky 582 00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:37,003 with any sense of fear. 583 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:41,180 All that would change for one Lawndale family 584 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:45,330 on July 25th, 1977. 585 00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:46,640 At 8:00 in the evening 586 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,680 of July 25th, 1977, 587 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,300 in Lawndale, Logan County, Illinois, 588 00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:54,260 a young 10-year-old boy named Marlon Lowe 589 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:56,710 was playing hide-and-seek with two of his buddies, 590 00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:58,910 Travis Goodwin and Michael Thompson. 591 00:29:58,910 --> 00:30:00,910 They were in his backyard while his mother, 592 00:30:00,910 --> 00:30:02,930 his parents, and some of their family friends 593 00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:05,620 were cleaning out a trailer on their property. 594 00:30:05,620 --> 00:30:09,620 The trailer that had little black eagles on it. 595 00:30:09,620 --> 00:30:12,740 And these three boys were kinda playing hide-and-seek 596 00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:14,123 around the front yard. 597 00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:17,710 And right behind them 598 00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:19,690 is Kickapoo Creek. 599 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:21,180 And all of a sudden flying 600 00:30:21,180 --> 00:30:23,220 down Kickapoo Creek 601 00:30:23,220 --> 00:30:27,410 was two giant birds swooping down. 602 00:30:27,410 --> 00:30:29,460 These two huge birds 603 00:30:29,460 --> 00:30:32,830 fly down over the yard, try to pick up one of the boys 604 00:30:32,830 --> 00:30:34,193 who dives to safety Look out! 605 00:30:34,193 --> 00:30:36,210 into a plastic wading pool 606 00:30:36,210 --> 00:30:39,590 and narrowly misses becoming infamous 607 00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:41,150 like Marlon Lowe became. 608 00:30:41,150 --> 00:30:42,800 Marlon began to run away. 609 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,760 He weighed about 56 pounds at the time. 610 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,120 He was kind of a small boy. 611 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,630 But according to all the witnesses that were present 612 00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:49,720 one of these two birds 613 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:50,905 swooped down. 614 00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:57,320 He gets caught by the talons of one of the birds. 615 00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:00,840 It was two birds but only one of them got him. 616 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,180 Picks him up, 617 00:31:02,180 --> 00:31:05,660 carries him about 50 feet across the yard. 618 00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:07,580 The bird turns, grabs ahold of this kid 619 00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:09,480 by the back of the shirt and picks him up 620 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,690 off the ground. 621 00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:12,130 Well, as these boys are screaming, 622 00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:14,880 Marlon's mother Ruth runs to the back of the house 623 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,190 to see what's going on and sees this bird 624 00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:21,800 pick her son up three feet off the ground 625 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,550 and carry him about 10 yards 626 00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:24,973 across the backyard 627 00:31:24,973 --> 00:31:25,921 of their house. 628 00:31:25,921 --> 00:31:26,754 Oh help! 629 00:31:27,980 --> 00:31:30,120 As Marlon was kicking and fighting 630 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,050 until the bird finally just dropped him 631 00:31:32,050 --> 00:31:33,230 and let him go. 632 00:31:33,230 --> 00:31:35,490 And then the two birds kind of took off 633 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:37,729 flew underneath Oh honey, are you okay? 634 00:31:37,729 --> 00:31:38,630 Are you okay? a electric wire 635 00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:40,080 right over the trailer home. Are you okay, honey? 636 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,760 Attempted to roost in a large tree in their property 637 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,280 but according to the witnesses they were having trouble 638 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,500 roosting in this tree 'cause they were too big 639 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:48,350 and then they took off 640 00:31:48,350 --> 00:31:49,410 towards Kickapoo Creek 641 00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:50,243 to the north. 642 00:31:51,180 --> 00:31:55,120 Saw these birds fly away off toward a wooded area 643 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,870 at the edge of town. 644 00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:58,560 They called the police. 645 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,460 They needed some kind of validation. 646 00:32:01,460 --> 00:32:05,000 And they also thought if this can happen to one kid, 647 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,730 it can happen to other kids. 648 00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:09,090 And there had been stories 649 00:32:09,090 --> 00:32:12,410 about around that time of dog disappearing, 650 00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:15,960 of certain little lambs and other livestock. 651 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,220 So there was becoming a hint 652 00:32:19,100 --> 00:32:21,480 that something sinister was happening. 653 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,730 When I was a kid, I'd never heard 654 00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:24,430 of anything like this before. 655 00:32:24,430 --> 00:32:27,250 And suddenly these people had had an encounter 656 00:32:27,250 --> 00:32:30,270 with something that you couldn't even wrap your head around. 657 00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:32,040 I don't think anybody could. 658 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,690 Other things started happening, 659 00:32:33,690 --> 00:32:36,050 other things that were psychological 660 00:32:36,050 --> 00:32:37,300 that happened to that family 661 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,790 because they weren't ready for what impact 662 00:32:40,790 --> 00:32:42,450 this was gonna have on their lives. 663 00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:43,575 Again, it's one of those things 664 00:32:43,575 --> 00:32:45,920 why would you make a story like this up? 665 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,940 It makes no sense as to why you would invent 666 00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:50,300 something like this. 667 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:53,170 It affected the family so much that for many years 668 00:32:53,170 --> 00:32:55,280 they wouldn't talk to anybody. 669 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,950 Marlon, according to his mother, 670 00:32:57,950 --> 00:33:00,610 didn't sleep for nights afterward. 671 00:33:00,610 --> 00:33:04,330 They were being teased and harassed by neighbors 672 00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:06,140 and people from anywhere that would show up 673 00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:08,420 at their house, leave dead birds on their sidewalk. 674 00:33:08,420 --> 00:33:10,390 They started calling Marlon the Bird Boy. 675 00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:12,930 But it made the papers and people talked about it, 676 00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:14,410 people laughed about it, 677 00:33:14,410 --> 00:33:16,130 but the Lowes swore it was true. 678 00:33:16,130 --> 00:33:17,700 They swore that it happened. 679 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:19,360 Wasn't until a couple years later 680 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,660 that I went out 681 00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:24,150 to Illinois to interview the family all over again. 682 00:33:24,150 --> 00:33:26,840 And what struck me was 683 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,530 how Marlo Lowe 684 00:33:30,530 --> 00:33:32,580 really was affected by this. 685 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:35,420 Kids had started calling him the Bird Boy. 686 00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:38,410 They started killing birds and leaving dead birds 687 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:40,070 on their porch. 688 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:42,733 And he had bright red hair when he was littler, 689 00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:46,120 when he was 10 years old, and here he was 690 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,245 two years later, gray hair. 691 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,740 The Lowes described 692 00:33:52,740 --> 00:33:56,750 these two birds as looking very much like Andean condors. 693 00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:58,410 They said that they were all black, 694 00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:01,060 that they had a hooked beak, but they actually had 695 00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:04,710 a white waft of feathers around their neck. 696 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:07,220 Then beyond that, you've got all of these other people 697 00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:11,930 then for the next several months seeing one or two birds 698 00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:13,920 exactly like the Lowes described. 699 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,320 The Lawndale incident was such big news that it really put 700 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,890 the Thunderbirds back into the headlines. 701 00:34:19,890 --> 00:34:22,683 It was essentially the first sighting of that time period 702 00:34:22,683 --> 00:34:24,320 although there may have been a couple of, 703 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,470 like a week before that 704 00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:28,810 a woman nearby in Lincoln, Illinois, claimed 705 00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:30,840 that she had also seen these Thunderbirds. 706 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,590 So as often happens in these cases, 707 00:34:32,590 --> 00:34:35,380 there's that one big incident that really gets 708 00:34:35,380 --> 00:34:37,930 all the publicity and that creates an environment 709 00:34:37,930 --> 00:34:40,470 where other eyewitnesses feel a little bit more comfortable 710 00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:42,340 coming out of the shadows and saying you know what, 711 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:43,300 I saw those things, too. 712 00:34:43,300 --> 00:34:45,070 I just didn't wanna talk about it. 713 00:34:45,070 --> 00:34:48,129 They talked about a trailer court 714 00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:50,650 couple communities over. 715 00:34:50,650 --> 00:34:54,080 A big, giant bird landed on the trailer 716 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:55,840 and then took off. 717 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,010 Someplace else in the county somebody else was seeing it. 718 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:03,000 And you started hearing these reports 719 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,030 very casually at first 720 00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:06,480 then in the media. 721 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,650 Then the Chicago media got involved, 722 00:35:08,650 --> 00:35:13,449 then the television media, and it became a traditional flap. 723 00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:16,323 In the days 724 00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:17,550 following the Lowe incident, 725 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:19,800 the giant birds were seen repeatedly 726 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,290 many times as a pair 727 00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:23,860 occasionally glimpsed alone. 728 00:35:23,860 --> 00:35:27,260 On July 28th, the Thompsons spotted a massive bird 729 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:29,810 flying above their farm in McLean County 730 00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:31,363 just to the north of Lawndale. 731 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,150 The creature had a wingspan of at least 10 feet 732 00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:36,950 and the couple and their visiting friends 733 00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:39,623 would soon recount their sighting to local police. 734 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,210 Later the same day, a mail carrier spotted two birds 735 00:35:44,210 --> 00:35:45,670 matching the same description 736 00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:48,950 as those in the Lowe incident in Bloomington, Illinois, 737 00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:51,731 just 25 miles north of Lawndale. 738 00:35:52,564 --> 00:35:54,110 He witnessed one of the birds soar 739 00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:55,580 into a nearby field 740 00:35:55,580 --> 00:35:58,010 where it snatched up a pig and flew off 741 00:35:58,010 --> 00:36:01,790 as the poor animal struggled in its massive talons. 742 00:36:01,790 --> 00:36:04,150 The incident left the man shaken 743 00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:08,350 and convinced that what he'd seen was a huge condor. 744 00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:11,630 Also on the 28th, Lisa Montgomery was washing her car 745 00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:15,180 when she spied a lone bird in the sky above Tremont. 746 00:36:15,180 --> 00:36:19,070 She described the wingspan as being 10 feet or more. 747 00:36:19,070 --> 00:36:21,500 Two more sightings drew national media attention 748 00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:23,060 on July 30th. 749 00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:25,240 The first of these occurred when Denise Turner 750 00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:28,730 of Downs, Illinois, and two friends saw a huge bird 751 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:32,245 perched on a telephone pole alongside an intersection. 752 00:36:33,078 --> 00:36:35,070 The witness described seeing the creature's talons 753 00:36:35,070 --> 00:36:37,480 unfurl and drop something to the ground 754 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,290 which was later identified by local police 755 00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:42,360 as a footlong rat. 756 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,440 At 2 p.m. that same day multiple residents 757 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,870 of Waynesville, Illinois, reported seeing 758 00:36:47,870 --> 00:36:50,193 a massive bird soar overhead. 759 00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:53,020 In the midst of all 760 00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:55,670 of the Lawndale reports 761 00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:58,640 and the other reports from around central Illinois, 762 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,930 a gentleman showed up calling himself Texas John. 763 00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:06,980 And in Shelbyville, which is a little bit further 764 00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:09,380 to the west of Lawndale, 765 00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:10,247 Texas John said, 766 00:37:10,247 --> 00:37:14,450 "I shot some footage of Thunderbirds." 767 00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:19,280 And he went to Champaign, Illinois, TV station, 768 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,470 showed 'em the footage, they showed it to me, 769 00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:25,020 and everybody was interested in it. 770 00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,350 And he had heard about these Thunderbird sightings 771 00:37:27,350 --> 00:37:29,880 and he has a Cherokee lineage 772 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,010 so he certainly believed in the Thunderbird. 773 00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:34,100 And he was in his boat on the north side of the lake 774 00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:36,670 when he suddenly saw these two enormous birds 775 00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:38,120 perched in a tree. 776 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,860 And he knew that these birds were extraordinary. 777 00:37:40,860 --> 00:37:43,550 So what he did was he blew the horn on his boat 778 00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:45,621 in order to scare them to get them 779 00:37:45,621 --> 00:37:47,560 to take off on these trees and then he began to film 780 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,110 as they flew off. 781 00:37:49,110 --> 00:37:50,500 To me and to a lot 782 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:54,290 of researchers it looked like turkey vultures 783 00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:57,210 sitting in a tree and then taking off. 784 00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:59,360 A number of wildlife experts have looked at it 785 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,180 and dismissed these two birds as simply turkey vultures 786 00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:04,610 which are very common in Illinois. 787 00:38:04,610 --> 00:38:08,863 Turkey vultures can be extremely large-looking. 788 00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:13,960 But I've looked at the film quite a bit through the years, 789 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,310 analyzed it, and at least in my own mind, 790 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:19,520 one of the two birds is much, much larger 791 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,640 than any turkey vulture and really appears to have 792 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,610 the proportions of a bird like a condor 793 00:38:24,610 --> 00:38:26,771 with a wingspan perhaps nine feet across. 794 00:38:28,850 --> 00:38:33,490 In December of 1977, there was a report, 795 00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:36,180 and it mostly showed up in news reports, 796 00:38:36,180 --> 00:38:38,610 we never get to the bottom of it, 797 00:38:38,610 --> 00:38:40,050 a group of men 798 00:38:40,050 --> 00:38:43,800 were going along a road and they saw a giant bird. 799 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,130 They shot it. 800 00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:47,660 They got very scared and they burned the body. 801 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:50,760 And they felt that they'd done something wrong and illegal. 802 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,300 And that often happens in those kind of shooting stories 803 00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,220 'cause you never see the bodies. 804 00:38:56,220 --> 00:38:57,161 People burn them. 805 00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:59,360 In the weeks that followed, 806 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,070 occasional reports of abnormally large birds 807 00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:05,490 continued to trickle in around central Illinois. 808 00:39:05,490 --> 00:39:09,720 However, like the Alton Thunderbird wave of 1948, 809 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,690 eventually the reports simply stopped. 810 00:39:12,690 --> 00:39:15,360 The birds had disappeared yet sightings continued 811 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,710 of strange things in the skies. 812 00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:20,320 Loren Coleman and his brother Jerry would investigate 813 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,410 numerous winged cryptid sightings in the years that followed 814 00:39:23,410 --> 00:39:27,433 the Lawndale incidents, not all of them mere birds. 815 00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:29,603 When I'm involved 816 00:39:29,603 --> 00:39:31,400 in investigating cryptozoology, 817 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,240 I usually try to categorize the branches 818 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,540 that I'm going down. 819 00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:39,980 And one large branch is what I call winged weirdies. 820 00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:43,260 And in that file of winged weirdies, 821 00:39:43,260 --> 00:39:47,380 there's flying humans, there's big owls, 822 00:39:47,380 --> 00:39:50,380 there's big birds, there's pterodactyls, 823 00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:52,683 there's all kinds of different reports. 824 00:39:53,530 --> 00:39:57,400 And you have to look at them as best you can 825 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,430 just make them all kind of go together. 826 00:40:00,430 --> 00:40:01,530 When investigating 827 00:40:01,530 --> 00:40:04,660 giant winged cryptids, it all becomes very confusing. 828 00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:06,340 There's a lot of gray area. 829 00:40:06,340 --> 00:40:09,230 And in my research, which has spanned decades, 830 00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:13,000 I typically get three types of reports or accounts. 831 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,850 But for example, we have the sightings of the giant birds, 832 00:40:15,850 --> 00:40:17,650 the Thunderbirds, which people always describe 833 00:40:17,650 --> 00:40:18,810 as having feathers. 834 00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:19,970 I get a second type of people 835 00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:23,360 describing something more quote unquote prehistoric. 836 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,190 And then you get people that report 837 00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:27,270 more the flying dinosaurs, 838 00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:28,770 the pterodactyls, something 839 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:30,860 out of prehistoric times. 840 00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:32,420 And then you also have many accounts 841 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:34,880 of what we call flying humanoids, 842 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,150 creatures that are composites or anthropomorphic creatures 843 00:40:39,150 --> 00:40:43,350 with human-like characteristics, bodies, sturdy legs, 844 00:40:43,350 --> 00:40:46,993 arms, heads, but also wings attached to their body. 845 00:40:53,380 --> 00:40:55,810 It was still cold out and it was late 846 00:40:55,810 --> 00:41:00,190 and I was possibly driving 847 00:41:00,190 --> 00:41:02,400 slightly faster than I should be. 848 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,130 As I came up Route 51 where this turnoff is 849 00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:07,690 to go to the lake there's a sign 850 00:41:07,690 --> 00:41:10,090 and like a light, pole light. 851 00:41:10,090 --> 00:41:12,380 So as I'm coming down, you know, it's pretty late, 852 00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:14,890 but I notice a man standing along the road. 853 00:41:14,890 --> 00:41:16,790 It looked like a man in a trench coat. 854 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,660 And I'm pretty sure that there's so much road kill 855 00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:22,525 around there it was eating something alongside the road. 856 00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:27,120 As I came up on it, it was, 857 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,370 I thought it was a man 858 00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:29,550 because it was man height. 859 00:41:29,550 --> 00:41:34,050 It was, you know, five plus feet, six foot tall. 860 00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:37,940 Very dark, with headlights on it it looked dark gray. 861 00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:40,280 I bet it was black. 862 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,310 As it opened up and I saw, you could see 863 00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:44,240 the wings, feathers, you could see what it was. 864 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,330 There was a little bit of light, like my headlights 865 00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:48,510 were showing a little bit lighter color than that. 866 00:41:48,510 --> 00:41:51,260 It was the size of a man. 867 00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:52,610 And I saw the wings come up 868 00:41:52,610 --> 00:41:55,290 and take off and he was standing on the white line 869 00:41:55,290 --> 00:41:56,310 on the edge of the road. 870 00:41:56,310 --> 00:41:59,900 And when it went like this, the wing broke 871 00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:02,360 center line of the road which was just like 872 00:42:03,894 --> 00:42:05,020 what the heck? 873 00:42:05,020 --> 00:42:07,912 And I kinda, as it went up, I kinda went under. 874 00:42:10,378 --> 00:42:13,849 It was very startling 875 00:42:14,682 --> 00:42:16,803 because it was, I thought it was a guy. 876 00:42:16,803 --> 00:42:17,636 And when it took off, 877 00:42:17,636 --> 00:42:19,200 it was almost exciting. 878 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,380 I think I turned around and went back to my house 879 00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:23,300 and woke my brother up and told him. 880 00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:24,900 Shortly after that, 881 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:27,910 around two weeks, 15 minutes from my house 882 00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:29,820 in a small town called Herrick, 883 00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:31,780 there was another sighting that was very similar 884 00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:32,880 to I what I seen. 885 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,600 So it kinda helped me, 886 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,250 you know, you always get that, did that happen? 887 00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:41,420 Or as with everything you try to rationalize what was it? 888 00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:43,560 Was it too close or too, 889 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,210 you know, but having 890 00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:47,670 that same description, same size, that close to home 891 00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:50,010 that soon after, was kinda like yeah 892 00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:53,473 there was something around there at that point. 893 00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:04,720 It was a mid-December day. 894 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,890 It was in the '90s, I think '94. 895 00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:09,080 My friend and I were going out pheasant hunting 896 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,860 and it was a real cold, windy, blustery winter day. 897 00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:16,740 We'd stopped at the guy's place where we were going hunting. 898 00:43:16,740 --> 00:43:19,480 We asked if we could go and we were hunting a ditch 899 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,727 out in Caybury, Illinois. 900 00:43:20,727 --> 00:43:22,443 That's where we were at. 901 00:43:23,770 --> 00:43:26,210 Our dogs, we had German Shorthaired Pointer dogs 902 00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:28,060 and we were watching them hunt. 903 00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:30,230 So the dogs were down in the ditch. 904 00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:31,460 My friend yelled, "Look!" 905 00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:32,470 And I looked over at him, 906 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:33,420 he was to my left. Look! 907 00:43:33,420 --> 00:43:35,330 And I saw him pointing above me. 908 00:43:35,330 --> 00:43:36,163 I'd never saw it. 909 00:43:36,163 --> 00:43:40,800 And I looked up and there was a massive bird 910 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,868 right over the top of our dogs. 911 00:43:44,260 --> 00:43:47,720 He later said that he thought that that bird 912 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,670 was coming after our dogs and that made sense to me 913 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:51,693 because it was right above us. 914 00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:57,260 It was black and it was probably, a good guess 915 00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,410 is the wingspan was 20 feet. 916 00:43:59,410 --> 00:44:01,480 I noticed that the wings were really long 917 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:02,950 and they had one bend in the middle. 918 00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:05,090 I distinctly saw that. 919 00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:07,920 And its head, it had a very long beak 920 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,260 and had kind of a long head, 921 00:44:10,260 --> 00:44:12,700 a very big head, long beak, 922 00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,710 and like it seemed like almost like its head 923 00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:17,310 went back behind it, too. 924 00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:19,040 The bird, as soon as he yelled, "Look," 925 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,870 and it heard us and saw us, 926 00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:23,840 it took a couple flaps and went up 927 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,140 and got up into the sky 928 00:44:25,140 --> 00:44:27,060 and that wind just, and it was just gone. 929 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:30,320 It was gone outta sight in a minute, 930 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,040 not even a minute. 931 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,100 We both walked over to each other and we're like 932 00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:38,170 what did you just see? 933 00:44:38,170 --> 00:44:41,160 And we both have talked about it a lot since. 934 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,580 I'm a lifelong outdoorsman, 935 00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:44,910 I've spent my life out in the outdoors. 936 00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:46,231 I've never seen anything like this. 937 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,573 My boss used to say, you know, 938 00:44:50,573 --> 00:44:54,600 "Danhausen, tell that crazy bird story of yours." 939 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,690 It was kinda something we told as it was funny to people. 940 00:44:57,690 --> 00:45:02,340 And it wasn't for years that I actually figured out 941 00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:05,890 or later discovered that other people had seen these birds. 942 00:45:05,890 --> 00:45:08,220 It's been a source of laughter for people 943 00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:09,725 for quite some time. 944 00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:13,690 Thunderbirds, winged humanoids, 945 00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:16,930 prehistoric remnants, is there any reason 946 00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:18,810 why rational, skeptical people 947 00:45:18,810 --> 00:45:20,833 would believe these things exist? 948 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:23,740 The Teratorn was a massive bird 949 00:45:23,740 --> 00:45:26,270 that, as strange as it sounds, 950 00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:29,890 does match descriptions given by many of the witnesses 951 00:45:29,890 --> 00:45:32,540 particularly when it pertains to wingspan 952 00:45:32,540 --> 00:45:35,123 and the white plumage around the creature's neck. 953 00:45:35,970 --> 00:45:38,030 The skeletal remains of Teratorns 954 00:45:38,030 --> 00:45:41,220 with wingspans up to 20 feet have been discovered 955 00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:43,630 in much of the United States. 956 00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:46,410 Yet science claims that these creatures went extinct 957 00:45:46,410 --> 00:45:47,843 millions of years ago. 958 00:45:49,710 --> 00:45:51,680 The Thunderbirds, which are 959 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,350 all over the West and a little bit in the Midwest, 960 00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:57,420 look like Teratorns. 961 00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:00,993 They seem to be giant ancient condors. 962 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,030 And they were catharaforms. 963 00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:05,720 They were essentially the ancestors 964 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:08,080 of modern condors and vultures. 965 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,210 A lot of people believe that these giant birds 966 00:46:10,210 --> 00:46:12,090 that are seen that don't really match 967 00:46:12,090 --> 00:46:14,870 the description of known birds might be 968 00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:19,320 some kind of prehistoric winged creature, winged bird. 969 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,153 I don't know. 970 00:46:20,153 --> 00:46:22,056 I mean, I would think we would see them more often 971 00:46:22,056 --> 00:46:25,050 if they were just living out there roosting somewhere. 972 00:46:25,050 --> 00:46:27,090 I think we'd see them more often than we do. 973 00:46:27,090 --> 00:46:29,057 Is there something paranormal about these things? 974 00:46:29,057 --> 00:46:32,530 Are they sort of projections from the past perhaps 975 00:46:32,530 --> 00:46:33,570 of extinct species 976 00:46:33,570 --> 00:46:36,370 or time slips or something? 977 00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:39,160 And then you hear of reports of other even stranger things 978 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,580 like lights emitting from these creatures, 979 00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:44,700 which of course, a normal bird can't do. 980 00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,050 I've always wondered 981 00:46:46,050 --> 00:46:50,140 if there might be some sort of at least a paranormal thing 982 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:52,040 behind winged creatures. 983 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,710 I mean, I think there might be some sort 984 00:46:53,710 --> 00:46:57,110 of dimensional question there. 985 00:46:57,110 --> 00:46:58,560 A lot of sightings people 986 00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,393 will think it's just 987 00:46:59,393 --> 00:47:02,160 a gigantic bird, something flesh and blood 988 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,290 that you could hunt, you could kill 989 00:47:04,290 --> 00:47:05,590 if you had to. 990 00:47:05,590 --> 00:47:07,730 But then there are other accounts 991 00:47:07,730 --> 00:47:11,470 whether it's UFO-related or other phenomenon 992 00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:12,640 where people believe 993 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,260 the creature's exhibiting supernatural abilities. 994 00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:17,460 But yes, there is a notion 995 00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:21,220 that any of these winged creatures could represent 996 00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:23,500 tragic or catastrophic events to come, 997 00:47:23,500 --> 00:47:27,450 that they could be omens, warnings, of dire events. 998 00:47:27,450 --> 00:47:30,297 Course we have the connection between the famous Mothman 999 00:47:30,297 --> 00:47:32,790 and the tragedy of the Silver Bridge collapse. 1000 00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:34,380 Many people connect those two things 1001 00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:35,540 in their minds. 1002 00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:36,820 There is certainly a notion 1003 00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:38,810 that these winged cryptids, creatures, 1004 00:47:38,810 --> 00:47:40,030 whatever you wanna call them 1005 00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:42,260 are essentially very negative things 1006 00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:44,093 that you do not want to encounter. 1007 00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:55,640 Northern Illinois is defined 1008 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,170 by the state's largest metropolitan area, 1009 00:47:58,170 --> 00:48:00,430 the city of Chicago. 1010 00:48:00,430 --> 00:48:01,900 Yet, outside the sprawl 1011 00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:05,230 of Chicagoland, lies large pockets of forest, 1012 00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:08,263 vast rolling fields, and the Illinois River. 1013 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:11,990 In addition to miles of undeveloped prairie, 1014 00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:13,910 this stretch of the state is also home 1015 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:17,080 to two other large cities and acres and acres 1016 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,620 of swamps and farmland. 1017 00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:23,800 It's a remarkable Midwestern mix of uninhabited expanses 1018 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,823 and densely populated areas. 1019 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,490 The city of Chicago was built on a swamp essentially. 1020 00:48:32,490 --> 00:48:35,890 The beginning of its history began with bloodshed. 1021 00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:36,723 This was a place 1022 00:48:36,723 --> 00:48:38,440 where settlers were massacred 1023 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,460 by the local Native American tribes 1024 00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:42,550 at the beginning of the War of 1812. 1025 00:48:42,550 --> 00:48:44,910 And so it already was off to a bad start. 1026 00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:46,000 It took almost 20 years 1027 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,490 to really develop after that massacre took place. 1028 00:48:49,490 --> 00:48:52,230 But Chicago, thanks to all of the people 1029 00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:54,800 and the energy there, its history 1030 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,910 has created it's ghosts. 1031 00:48:56,910 --> 00:49:00,100 I don't think that it's the location of Chicago 1032 00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:01,090 that makes it so strange. 1033 00:49:01,090 --> 00:49:03,010 I think it's all of the things that have happened there 1034 00:49:03,010 --> 00:49:04,300 over the years. 1035 00:49:04,300 --> 00:49:05,770 Because you have had 1036 00:49:05,770 --> 00:49:07,417 the great fire in 1871. 1037 00:49:07,417 --> 00:49:11,010 You've had millions of people come through 1038 00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:13,140 what's essentially downtown Chicago 1039 00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:16,560 in the last, oh not even quite 200 years. 1040 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,010 I mean, you name it, it's had 1041 00:49:18,010 --> 00:49:20,040 all of this very violent history 1042 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,340 and it think that's really left a mark behind. 1043 00:49:38,310 --> 00:49:41,890 My name is Tobias Wayland and I am the head writer 1044 00:49:41,890 --> 00:49:44,630 and editor for the Singular Fortean Society. 1045 00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:48,037 I began my career investigating the breadth 1046 00:49:48,037 --> 00:49:49,780 of paranormal phenomena 1047 00:49:51,100 --> 00:49:53,890 in the true Fortean fashion 1048 00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:56,569 of not leaving anything uninvestigated. 1049 00:49:57,402 --> 00:49:58,950 In August of 2016, 1050 00:49:58,950 --> 00:50:02,310 the winged cryptid phenomenon returned to Illinois. 1051 00:50:02,310 --> 00:50:04,303 This time to the city of Chicago. 1052 00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:07,470 As reported to Lon Strickler, 1053 00:50:07,470 --> 00:50:09,880 a woman was wandering down Roosevelt Road 1054 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,350 in the suburb of Cicero when she noticed 1055 00:50:12,350 --> 00:50:15,460 a flash of movement between two buildings. 1056 00:50:15,460 --> 00:50:17,160 Upon straining to see what it was 1057 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,740 that had caught her attention, 1058 00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:21,500 she noticed a large humanoid figure perched 1059 00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:22,716 on top of a streetlight. 1060 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,063 The thing shot into the air and disappeared into the night. 1061 00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:31,440 In February of 2017, the flying, manlike creature 1062 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,620 was spotted again by a motorist traveling 1063 00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:37,610 down 294 south outside of Chicago. 1064 00:50:37,610 --> 00:50:38,877 The driver recalled seeing 1065 00:50:38,877 --> 00:50:40,000 a manlike shape 1066 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,480 running beside the road 1067 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,707 before suddenly unfurling two wings 1068 00:50:43,707 --> 00:50:46,690 and taking to the skies over the city. 1069 00:50:46,690 --> 00:50:47,710 The man was shaken 1070 00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:49,460 as he recalled observing 1071 00:50:49,460 --> 00:50:52,080 what he described as the biggest bird 1072 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:52,931 he had ever seen. 1073 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,170 In March, a third sighting 1074 00:50:56,170 --> 00:50:58,270 took place in Tinley Park. 1075 00:50:58,270 --> 00:51:00,960 This time a man and his dog encountered a being 1076 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,510 matching the same description 1077 00:51:02,510 --> 00:51:04,950 as the previous two sightings. 1078 00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:07,770 It peered at him from a nearby roof. 1079 00:51:07,770 --> 00:51:10,010 The man attempted to get a better view of the creature 1080 00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:12,360 by approaching it but it took to the sky 1081 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,310 and disappeared before he could capture a photo. 1082 00:51:16,310 --> 00:51:18,410 The initial reports of the Chicago Mothman 1083 00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:21,280 or Chicago Phantom were reported 1084 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,500 to the paranormal websites Phantoms & Monsters 1085 00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:27,910 operated by investigator and author, Lon Strickler, 1086 00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:32,340 and UFO Clearinghouse operated by Manuel Navarette. 1087 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:36,560 In early May of 2017, I had seen three reports 1088 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,760 come through the MUFON database. 1089 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,540 And they each described a bat or bird-like being. 1090 00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:48,830 And you know, as a paranormal researcher, journalist, 1091 00:51:48,830 --> 00:51:50,730 investigator, it piqued my interest 1092 00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:54,710 and so I wrote a short article about it for our site. 1093 00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:55,713 I was following it. 1094 00:51:56,830 --> 00:52:01,130 I noticed that more reports kept coming in. 1095 00:52:01,130 --> 00:52:06,130 In 2017, I became aware that there was 1096 00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:09,970 seemingly a flap of flying humanoid sightings 1097 00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:12,610 coming out of Chicago and I was like 1098 00:52:12,610 --> 00:52:13,520 what is happening. 1099 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,200 I was familiar, of course, with John Keel 1100 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,680 and with the Mothman sightings 1101 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,680 in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, from 1966 to 1967. 1102 00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:25,440 So I was like, could it be 1103 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,250 that Mothman is now 1104 00:52:27,250 --> 00:52:28,803 pretty much in my neighborhood? 1105 00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:33,070 More sightings kept coming in. 1106 00:52:33,070 --> 00:52:36,038 Almost immediately after in late April 1107 00:52:36,038 --> 00:52:39,610 and early May you had two sightings 1108 00:52:39,610 --> 00:52:42,400 near the Little Calument River. 1109 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,370 And so both of those were men out fishing 1110 00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:46,610 with their sons. 1111 00:52:46,610 --> 00:52:47,740 In the first instance, 1112 00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:50,000 on April 27th, the witness said 1113 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,741 that he heard a sound like train brakes 1114 00:52:53,741 --> 00:52:55,420 as a train slows down 1115 00:52:55,420 --> 00:52:57,030 like the sound of its brakes. 1116 00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:59,730 Just after that he saw what he described 1117 00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:02,770 as a giant bat fly overhead. 1118 00:53:02,770 --> 00:53:06,010 The second sighting was very, very similar 1119 00:53:06,010 --> 00:53:06,880 in that area. 1120 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,060 I don't believe 1121 00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:12,330 that he mentioned the same shrill noise. 1122 00:53:12,330 --> 00:53:13,307 Saw a giant bat. 1123 00:53:13,307 --> 00:53:16,530 But in both cases they described it as being very large, 1124 00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:18,350 you know, seven to eight-foot wingspan. 1125 00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:20,970 The Chicago Mothman case is really interesting. 1126 00:53:20,970 --> 00:53:23,410 It started about a year, year and a half ago 1127 00:53:23,410 --> 00:53:26,380 and there was a huge rash of sightings. 1128 00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:30,123 I think upwards of 70 to 80 sightings by now. 1129 00:53:30,123 --> 00:53:33,400 Right now, according to internet sources, 1130 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,810 there have been 71 sightings. 1131 00:53:36,810 --> 00:53:41,530 2011, 2017 was the bulk of them 1132 00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:45,070 and then a few in 2018. 1133 00:53:45,070 --> 00:53:48,520 Lon Strickler who published the very first accounts, 1134 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,390 knowing that I had an interest in the specific subject 1135 00:53:51,390 --> 00:53:54,250 was gracious enough to funnel me each individual sighting 1136 00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:55,530 or account for me to review. 1137 00:53:55,530 --> 00:53:59,100 And I did review and go through the eyewitness testimonies. 1138 00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,690 And initially the descriptions seemed very similar 1139 00:54:01,690 --> 00:54:04,820 to other flying humanoids that have been documented 1140 00:54:04,820 --> 00:54:07,350 in Point Pleasant, West Virginia, and other places. 1141 00:54:07,350 --> 00:54:09,700 A creature with quote unquote bat-like wings 1142 00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:11,970 and other human-like features. 1143 00:54:11,970 --> 00:54:13,680 I have several criticisms 1144 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,300 of the Chicago phenomena. 1145 00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,710 For one thing, to call it Mothman, 1146 00:54:17,710 --> 00:54:21,720 I thought was pure and simple the copycat phenomena. 1147 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,250 People were seeing things in the sky 1148 00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:28,770 or things near the Earth that were above them. 1149 00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:31,210 Some of them looked like kites. 1150 00:54:31,210 --> 00:54:33,260 Some of them looked like balloons, 1151 00:54:33,260 --> 00:54:35,970 winged creatures, ravens. 1152 00:54:35,970 --> 00:54:40,970 And somebody decided to label those Mothman. 1153 00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:44,297 And I think the problem started then. 1154 00:54:44,297 --> 00:54:46,500 And it was all still very much up in the air. 1155 00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:49,100 You know, obviously, there was people 1156 00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:50,550 comparing it to Mothman. 1157 00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:53,000 There were people who thought it could be 1158 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,570 a Halloween costume on a drone. 1159 00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:58,010 Some people thought that we're dealing 1160 00:54:58,010 --> 00:55:02,080 with a skydiver in a wing suit. 1161 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,730 So I've been investigating accounts 1162 00:55:03,730 --> 00:55:06,360 of flying humanoids like the Mothman 1163 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,800 for many, many years. 1164 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,000 And, like the Thunderbirds, 1165 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:09,833 there seem to be 1166 00:55:09,833 --> 00:55:12,250 specific areas where they're reported more than others. 1167 00:55:12,250 --> 00:55:14,500 I will say that the Chicago cases do follow 1168 00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:18,230 the basic pattern of, again, flying humanoid flaps 1169 00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:19,990 where you have a short period of time 1170 00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:22,460 and on a high concentration 1171 00:55:22,460 --> 00:55:25,260 of these flying humanoid creatures 1172 00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:27,800 being reported or encountered. 1173 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,470 Sightings of the Chicago Mothman 1174 00:55:29,470 --> 00:55:31,740 begin to draw local media attention 1175 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:33,990 and soon the creature was being written about 1176 00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:36,823 in publications such as the Chicago Post. 1177 00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:40,760 The articles were picked up by the Associated Press 1178 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,680 and ran in newspapers around the United States 1179 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,803 and soon a media sensation was born. 1180 00:55:47,820 --> 00:55:52,460 Just as it had in 1948 and 1977, 1181 00:55:52,460 --> 00:55:55,990 a winged creature flap was drawing national attention. 1182 00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:58,710 And just as it had in the previous waves, 1183 00:55:58,710 --> 00:56:00,500 the brighter the spotlight, 1184 00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:03,240 the more the witnesses that came forward. 1185 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,600 And this happens 1186 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,880 with a lot of cases that there are originally 1187 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,950 very credible stories behind it 1188 00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:14,350 and then the media descends, monster hunters descend, 1189 00:56:14,350 --> 00:56:16,500 and all hell breaks loose. 1190 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,900 And now the reports 1191 00:56:17,900 --> 00:56:19,770 get stranger and stranger. 1192 00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:23,660 So I think the original reports are what should be looked at 1193 00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:26,260 and have a lot of credibility to them 1194 00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:28,140 but some of the later reports, 1195 00:56:28,140 --> 00:56:30,480 just like every other crypto out there, 1196 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,170 have to be looked at with a little more, 1197 00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:37,260 I think a little more of a critical eye. 1198 00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:41,120 And the closer you get to the actual eyewitnesses, 1199 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,060 it becomes clear that everybody's seeing different things, 1200 00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:47,920 that there's different levels of credibility 1201 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,510 in the eyewitnesses. 1202 00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:53,230 And if there was 50 sightings in Chicago, 1203 00:56:53,230 --> 00:56:57,280 Chicago is an urban area, all you would have to do 1204 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,940 is involve the law enforcement branch 1205 00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:02,690 of the city of Chicago 1206 00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:06,320 and there's CCTV cameras all over. 1207 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,110 Yeah, I'm familiar with Chicago but I wasn't familiar 1208 00:57:09,110 --> 00:57:11,850 with each of the sighting locations. 1209 00:57:11,850 --> 00:57:15,010 And then upon going there, my question was 1210 00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:18,350 why haven't more people reported the Mothman 1211 00:57:18,350 --> 00:57:22,050 if he, or it, is indeed appearing 1212 00:57:22,050 --> 00:57:25,200 in these tremendously crowded locations 1213 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,030 where when I went there at all times of day and night, 1214 00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:31,180 I was constantly under foot. 1215 00:57:31,180 --> 00:57:32,570 I've spoken quite a bit 1216 00:57:32,570 --> 00:57:35,610 in the Chicago metro area 1217 00:57:35,610 --> 00:57:39,020 on monsters and legends and I have yet to encounter 1218 00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:41,680 anyone who not only has seen this, 1219 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,850 but that has a personal story from a friend. 1220 00:57:44,850 --> 00:57:47,173 I have spoken to witnesses personally. 1221 00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:51,940 I've worked very closely with every investigator 1222 00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:55,256 who has spoken to witnesses personally. 1223 00:57:55,256 --> 00:57:57,810 And if they think that any of the investigators 1224 00:57:57,810 --> 00:58:00,230 are making it up, they're mistaken. 1225 00:58:00,230 --> 00:58:01,510 In the months following the intiial outbreak 1226 00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:05,940 of reports, the Mothman moniker stuck and reports 1227 00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:08,620 began expanding outside of the city. 1228 00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:11,380 Suddenly, people were seeing a similar creature 1229 00:58:11,380 --> 00:58:15,000 over cities and suburbs all along the Great Lakes 1230 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,880 particularly in the town of Gary, Indiana, 1231 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,750 only 37 minutes to the south. 1232 00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:23,250 The wave of sightings swept across Chicago 1233 00:58:23,250 --> 00:58:25,900 and continued into 2018. 1234 00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:27,610 While investigators and researchers 1235 00:58:27,610 --> 00:58:31,090 continued to argue over the possible cause of the flap, 1236 00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:34,890 witnesses were still seeing something in the skies overhead. 1237 00:58:34,890 --> 00:58:37,010 But what was it? 1238 00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:39,780 The other explanation could possibly be 1239 00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:42,500 what if something extraordinary did happen 1240 00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:45,480 in the Illinois Chicagoland area? 1241 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,091 What if there was a UFO 1242 00:58:49,091 --> 00:58:53,450 or even a Thunderbird sighting 1243 00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:57,670 and someone knew about it that didn't want other people 1244 00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:59,030 to believe it? 1245 00:58:59,030 --> 00:59:03,970 And so they, upon seeing that this account 1246 00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:07,020 would be released, flood the information channels 1247 00:59:07,020 --> 00:59:08,370 with bogus accounts? 1248 00:59:08,370 --> 00:59:10,500 We've talked to a number of people in Chicago. 1249 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:13,240 I think there probably were some credible sightings 1250 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,420 but I think a lot of it might have been exaggerated. 1251 00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:17,210 In a big city, you're gonna have an active sky. 1252 00:59:17,210 --> 00:59:18,930 You're always gonna have things moving overhead. 1253 00:59:18,930 --> 00:59:21,300 'Cause of course now we live in the age of drones 1254 00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:24,160 that come in all kinds of shapes including fixed wing 1255 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,370 that are bat-like shapes. 1256 00:59:26,370 --> 00:59:29,250 You also have tall buildings so there's the potential 1257 00:59:29,250 --> 00:59:31,640 that there coulda been thrill seekers doing base jumping 1258 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:32,900 with wing suits. 1259 00:59:32,900 --> 00:59:34,870 So there's all kinds of possibilities you have 1260 00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:37,150 when you've got a city versus, you know, 1261 00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:39,100 a corn field out in the middle of nowhere. 1262 00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:42,040 You know, people may tend to think of these things 1263 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,300 as flesh and blood animals 1264 00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,570 and why would something like that be near a big city? 1265 00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:48,403 If we consider 1266 00:59:48,403 --> 00:59:49,660 that these flying humanoids Okay! 1267 00:59:49,660 --> 00:59:51,180 may not fit neatly 1268 00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:52,390 into the natural world Okay, man. 1269 00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:54,010 so to speak, that they may be something 1270 00:59:54,010 --> 00:59:57,240 more spectral or supernatural 1271 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,730 in nature, then that would create 1272 00:59:59,730 --> 01:00:01,910 no geographic delineations. 1273 01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:04,010 These things could appear at the time and place 1274 01:00:04,010 --> 01:00:05,060 of their choosing. 1275 01:00:05,060 --> 01:00:07,240 Maybe there's misidentification. 1276 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,810 Some of the researchers on the case like Tobias Wayland 1277 01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:13,120 from Singular Fortean think that, you know, 1278 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,660 perhaps global warming is causing 1279 01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:19,507 some migrational birds into areas 1280 01:00:19,507 --> 01:00:21,880 where you normally wouldn't see them. 1281 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,950 When it comes to the Chicago sightings, 1282 01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:26,400 I think that there are two disparate 1283 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:27,930 but concurrent phenomena. 1284 01:00:27,930 --> 01:00:30,646 And so the first is misidentifications 1285 01:00:30,646 --> 01:00:32,840 of large migratory birds. 1286 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,790 People started seeing these birds, 1287 01:00:34,790 --> 01:00:38,950 they started going online to try to figure out 1288 01:00:38,950 --> 01:00:40,010 what they had seen. 1289 01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:43,200 They find websites like Phantoms & Monsters 1290 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,940 and UFO Clearinghouse and us and they start reporting them. 1291 01:00:45,940 --> 01:00:49,350 So even though a lot of those turned out to be 1292 01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:51,450 Great Blue Herons or something similar, 1293 01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:54,140 it's actually led to a lot 1294 01:00:54,140 --> 01:00:57,410 of potentially paranormal sightings. 1295 01:00:57,410 --> 01:01:00,810 While accounts, encounters with Thunderbirds, 1296 01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:03,390 flying humanoids, any of these weird flying creatures 1297 01:01:03,390 --> 01:01:05,930 are considered omens, warnings, harbingers 1298 01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:09,030 of tragic events, we must consider 1299 01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:11,790 that the word monster comes from a Latin word 1300 01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:13,410 that means warning. 1301 01:01:13,410 --> 01:01:15,810 So in a way, all of our monsters are harbingers. 1302 01:01:24,140 --> 01:01:27,690 Illinois is a state defined by its legends. 1303 01:01:27,690 --> 01:01:29,890 Like the changing terrain that one finds 1304 01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:32,990 when they travel north to south, the Prairie State 1305 01:01:32,990 --> 01:01:36,143 is awash in stories that capture the imagination. 1306 01:01:37,390 --> 01:01:41,090 Perhaps no town within the state has embraced those legends 1307 01:01:41,090 --> 01:01:42,730 more than Alton. 1308 01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:45,330 Here you will find a town that celebrates tales 1309 01:01:45,330 --> 01:01:49,070 of giant men, mythical musicians, ghosts, 1310 01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:52,160 and winged cryptids all mingling together 1311 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,490 just like the waters of the three rivers 1312 01:01:54,490 --> 01:01:56,323 on whose banks it sits. 1313 01:01:57,810 --> 01:02:00,740 Centuries tend to carry away lies 1314 01:02:00,740 --> 01:02:03,760 but a legend is something else entirely, 1315 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,770 a tale told to bolster or frighten, 1316 01:02:06,770 --> 01:02:08,853 to invigorate or encourage. 1317 01:02:09,900 --> 01:02:12,210 Perhaps lost in the passage of time 1318 01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:14,310 is the fact that the tellers were every bit 1319 01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:16,170 as important to the story 1320 01:02:16,170 --> 01:02:20,453 as the characters or creatures that populated it. 1321 01:02:25,770 --> 01:02:27,173 But where did it begin? 1322 01:02:28,210 --> 01:02:30,020 With discovery. 1323 01:02:30,020 --> 01:02:33,830 Discovery of a truth, discovery of an experience 1324 01:02:33,830 --> 01:02:36,550 that must be related to others. 1325 01:02:36,550 --> 01:02:38,400 Discovery of a story 1326 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,010 that, like the mighty Mississippi itself, 1327 01:02:41,010 --> 01:02:42,373 can live forever. 1328 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,700 Discovery of a legend still living right here 1329 01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:50,253 amongst the vanishing Midwest. 1330 01:02:54,970 --> 01:02:56,170 The reason a lot of people 1331 01:02:56,170 --> 01:02:58,540 are interested in cryptozoology in general 1332 01:02:58,540 --> 01:03:01,190 is because people are interested in animals 1333 01:03:01,190 --> 01:03:03,040 and they're interested in mysteries. 1334 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,330 Why should people be interested in, 1335 01:03:05,330 --> 01:03:07,150 for instance, Thunderbirds? 1336 01:03:07,150 --> 01:03:08,780 Because Thunderbirds could tell 1337 01:03:08,780 --> 01:03:09,930 us a lot. 1338 01:03:09,930 --> 01:03:12,240 They could tell us a lot about climate, 1339 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:16,100 about the terrain, about their reactions to people 1340 01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:17,940 to unknown animals. 1341 01:03:17,940 --> 01:03:20,540 Why are people afraid of animals 1342 01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:23,337 that are always above them? 1343 01:03:23,337 --> 01:03:25,140 And that is a key. 1344 01:03:25,140 --> 01:03:28,650 These animals terrify because they could come 1345 01:03:28,650 --> 01:03:30,140 out of nowhere. 1346 01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:33,040 They could kill you, they can take your children, 1347 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:34,430 they could take your pets. 1348 01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:37,170 They don't have a clue about Thunderbirds 1349 01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:39,907 and that scares the bejeebas outta people. 1350 01:03:42,660 --> 01:03:46,060 Regardless of the objective truth 1351 01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:47,730 behind some of these stories, 1352 01:03:47,730 --> 01:03:50,610 they have a huge effect on people's lives 1353 01:03:50,610 --> 01:03:53,380 and they have a huge effect on people's outlook. 1354 01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:57,780 And I think that it teaches us a lot about humanity 1355 01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:02,300 and I think that it's sort of our ethical duty 1356 01:04:02,300 --> 01:04:05,860 as human beings to help each other 1357 01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:10,860 through our experiences. 1358 01:04:10,910 --> 01:04:13,350 For me personally, collecting this kind of stuff 1359 01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:17,630 over the years is something that, historically speaking, 1360 01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:21,680 I find it to be very important because these are stories 1361 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,240 that would be lost otherwise 1362 01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:24,700 if someone wasn't writing them down. 1363 01:04:24,700 --> 01:04:28,050 And I think that, culturally speaking, 1364 01:04:28,050 --> 01:04:31,120 this is important to us because this is, 1365 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,470 some day this will be the folklore of our generation. 1366 01:04:35,470 --> 01:04:39,330 I think that gathering tales of ghosts and monsters 1367 01:04:39,330 --> 01:04:41,250 and giant birds and whatever 1368 01:04:42,180 --> 01:04:45,360 is important to American history, 1369 01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,470 American culture, and it is something 1370 01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:50,740 that future generations are gonna need 1371 01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:52,890 to understand what we were doing 1372 01:04:52,890 --> 01:04:55,961 in the 20th century and the 21st century. 107090

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