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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:17,434 --> 00:00:19,642 Too many variations of shit. 2 00:00:19,645 --> 00:00:22,183 - That's a Fender amp. - Mm hmm. 3 00:00:22,189 --> 00:00:26,183 I wouldn't recognize that one, Bassbreaker 45. 4 00:00:26,944 --> 00:00:28,651 I have a good question for you, though. 5 00:00:28,654 --> 00:00:31,271 In the 80s it was... we said "Rickenbacher". 6 00:00:31,281 --> 00:00:32,738 - You guys all say Rickenbacker. - "Rickenbacker" 7 00:00:32,741 --> 00:00:33,982 - It's "backer". - Yeah. 8 00:00:33,992 --> 00:00:35,608 We already had a small debate earlier. 9 00:00:35,619 --> 00:00:36,826 We were from the South. 10 00:00:36,828 --> 00:00:39,411 - It's "backer", yeah. - I think so. 11 00:00:39,414 --> 00:00:41,497 There's no "bachers." No. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,992 Is that one yours, Jakob? 13 00:00:44,169 --> 00:00:45,956 No, we used this one on the record, though. 14 00:00:45,963 --> 00:00:47,875 - This is Andy's. - Yeah, that's Andy's. 15 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:50,162 - Want to have a look? - Bring it over here. 16 00:00:56,807 --> 00:00:59,299 This was the folk rock special. 17 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:01,926 All you had to do is move your little finger. 18 00:01:20,414 --> 00:01:23,248 You can't afford the rest. 19 00:01:40,517 --> 00:01:43,851 ♪ Oh, what will you give me? ♪ 20 00:01:43,854 --> 00:01:50,021 ♪ Say the sad bells of Rhymney ♪ 21 00:01:52,195 --> 00:01:55,108 ♪ Is there hope for the future? ♪ 22 00:01:55,699 --> 00:02:00,444 ♪ Say the brown bells of Merther ♪ 23 00:02:02,331 --> 00:02:05,870 ♪ Who made the mine open? ♪ 24 00:02:05,876 --> 00:02:10,416 ♪ Say the black bells of Rhonda ♪ 25 00:02:12,299 --> 00:02:15,508 ♪ Ah... Ah... ♪ 26 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:23,182 ♪ Ah... Ah... ♪ 27 00:02:34,905 --> 00:02:39,821 ♪ Oh, the summer time is coming ♪ 28 00:02:40,994 --> 00:02:45,785 ♪ And the leaves are sweetly turning ♪ 29 00:02:45,791 --> 00:02:47,407 They gave it the name Laurel Canyon 30 00:02:47,417 --> 00:02:50,410 because it was the locus for all these musicians. 31 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:51,911 It's where a lot of musicians lived. 32 00:02:51,922 --> 00:02:53,504 But they came to L.A. from everywhere. 33 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:57,251 They came from England and from all overAmerica. 34 00:02:57,260 --> 00:02:59,877 And probably because of the record companies in L.A. 35 00:02:59,888 --> 00:03:01,880 They had to come to L.A. and this was the one place 36 00:03:01,890 --> 00:03:04,678 that you could live and it was the antithesis 37 00:03:04,685 --> 00:03:06,517 of this sort of plastic, straight world 38 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,011 that you saw on television. 39 00:03:16,405 --> 00:03:21,196 To be that close to the Sunset Strip 40 00:03:21,785 --> 00:03:24,528 and yet you had a feel that you were in the country 41 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:27,781 and, you know, and totally different feel. It's beautiful. 42 00:03:30,794 --> 00:03:32,786 ♪ There you stood on ♪ 43 00:03:32,796 --> 00:03:36,005 ♪ The edge of your feather ♪ 44 00:03:37,259 --> 00:03:40,673 ♪ Expecting to fly ♪ 45 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:43,671 I think I might have been the first one to move there. 46 00:03:43,682 --> 00:03:47,642 I was living in one place, some... some place way up the canyon. 47 00:03:47,978 --> 00:03:50,015 There was a lot of camaraderie in the bands. 48 00:03:50,021 --> 00:03:52,354 We got to know Brian Wilson and The Beach Boys 49 00:03:52,357 --> 00:03:53,973 and, of course, The Mamas & Papas 50 00:03:53,984 --> 00:03:55,100 when they came along. 51 00:03:55,652 --> 00:03:57,393 I'd known John and Michelle from New York 52 00:03:57,404 --> 00:04:01,023 and Mama Cass was great, a great social hostess. 53 00:04:01,575 --> 00:04:05,740 Laurel Canyon was always like a hangout for, 54 00:04:05,746 --> 00:04:09,205 ah, bohemians and actors. 55 00:04:09,499 --> 00:04:12,617 It was full of charming little houses 56 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:14,744 and it was a very joyful time. 57 00:04:15,088 --> 00:04:17,705 I loved it, because I've always loved eccentricity. 58 00:04:17,716 --> 00:04:21,676 I mean I'm attracted to eccentrics and they were there. 59 00:04:21,678 --> 00:04:22,919 And they were all there. 60 00:04:22,929 --> 00:04:25,512 Everyone was writing and writing together. 61 00:04:25,515 --> 00:04:28,929 And you'd go over to someone's house 62 00:04:28,935 --> 00:04:30,426 and you always brought your guitar 63 00:04:30,437 --> 00:04:32,770 and you'd sit around and you'd start playing, 64 00:04:32,773 --> 00:04:36,232 and pretty soon you were writing a hit. 65 00:04:36,526 --> 00:04:38,188 People would not even call. 66 00:04:38,195 --> 00:04:39,606 They'd just knock on the door and go 67 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,104 "Listen, hey, listen to this!" 68 00:04:41,656 --> 00:04:44,273 That's an incredible environment for a musician to be in 69 00:04:44,284 --> 00:04:47,868 because it's incredibly healthy and incredibly forward-looking 70 00:04:47,871 --> 00:04:50,534 and incredibly creative and that's how I was feeling. 71 00:04:50,791 --> 00:04:54,705 There was so much great music floating around 72 00:04:54,711 --> 00:04:56,998 that you got little snippets of it and they... 73 00:04:57,005 --> 00:04:59,167 they just filtered through you, you know? 74 00:05:06,932 --> 00:05:07,932 Good evening. 75 00:05:11,019 --> 00:05:13,762 The great Los Angeles songwriter Warren Zevon 76 00:05:13,772 --> 00:05:14,853 once said that... 77 00:05:16,525 --> 00:05:17,936 I miss him every day. 78 00:05:18,235 --> 00:05:22,354 He said if Roger McGuinn had just played the opening notes 79 00:05:22,364 --> 00:05:25,323 to The Byrds' debut album and dropped dead, 80 00:05:25,325 --> 00:05:27,692 he would have still exercised the most pronounced influence 81 00:05:27,702 --> 00:05:30,445 over the folk rock movement in 25 years. 82 00:05:30,455 --> 00:05:31,741 And he was right. 83 00:05:31,748 --> 00:05:35,458 Because in 1965 when those songs went on the radio, 84 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:38,203 it was the first time a song of poetic depth and grace 85 00:05:38,213 --> 00:05:40,956 had become a hit song and it inspired a whole generation 86 00:05:40,966 --> 00:05:45,677 of writers to write differently and to come to California, 87 00:05:45,679 --> 00:05:48,592 which gave birth to the Laurel Canyon scene. 88 00:05:48,598 --> 00:05:52,592 So, the fiftieth anniversary of that moment was this summer. 89 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:54,218 So Jakob and I decided, 90 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:56,312 'cause nobody else was doing anything, 91 00:05:56,314 --> 00:05:59,682 that we would make a record of those songwriters. 92 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:02,310 So now we're doing a show and you're all a part of it. 93 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:08,195 And thanks for coming and enjoy the show! 94 00:06:12,956 --> 00:06:14,822 You guys ready to go to the 60s? 95 00:06:17,836 --> 00:06:20,829 This is so great because the music that 96 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,707 came out of the Laurel Canyon scene in the 60s 97 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:27,006 was not only inspiring to other bands at that time, 98 00:06:27,012 --> 00:06:30,005 but it also became inspiring to my generation 99 00:06:30,015 --> 00:06:31,847 of musicians and songwriters. 100 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:35,055 And tonight is an opportunity, like folk music, 101 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:37,178 to pass it on to a new generation 102 00:06:37,188 --> 00:06:40,352 and keep the echoes of that music growing. 103 00:06:50,577 --> 00:06:53,911 ♪ Oh, the summer time is coming ♪ 104 00:06:55,874 --> 00:07:00,335 ♪ And the leaves are sweetly turning ♪ 105 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:06,253 ♪ And the wild mountain thyme ♪ 106 00:07:08,178 --> 00:07:12,297 ♪ Blooms across the purple heather ♪ 107 00:07:14,309 --> 00:07:16,596 ♪ Will you go... ♪ 108 00:07:16,895 --> 00:07:18,978 - Can we start over? - I think I know it. We ready? 109 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:20,767 I was gonna for a harmony but then I... 110 00:07:21,775 --> 00:07:24,609 What is the refrain, though? Is it... just "will you go"? 111 00:07:24,611 --> 00:07:25,772 I like the way you're doing it. 112 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:27,691 I just go "Will you go, will you go?" 113 00:07:27,697 --> 00:07:29,063 Sorry. 114 00:07:29,074 --> 00:07:30,110 Well, we can do it again. 115 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:32,324 I think the refrain just comes around again. 116 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:33,784 We just... these just kind of repeat. 117 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:35,323 Oh, we never... what is all this? 118 00:07:35,330 --> 00:07:37,162 I never saw any of this! 119 00:07:38,291 --> 00:07:41,659 ♪ Oh, the summer time is coming... ♪ 120 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:43,081 Why did we start all this? 121 00:07:43,088 --> 00:07:44,875 Well, we'd seen this movie "Model Shop". 122 00:07:44,881 --> 00:07:47,419 It reminded us of a lot of music from the 60s 123 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:49,917 so we decided to go back and record some of the songs 124 00:07:49,928 --> 00:07:51,760 from the mid-60s 125 00:07:51,763 --> 00:07:55,803 and we got more and more curious on what brought everybody here. 126 00:07:56,518 --> 00:07:57,975 Who came out here first? 127 00:07:57,978 --> 00:08:00,220 Was it people from the east coast coming out here? 128 00:08:00,230 --> 00:08:04,349 Or was it people here that started it just independently? 129 00:08:04,359 --> 00:08:06,316 Beach Boys were already here. 130 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:09,187 I think The Byrds came out first and everybody else followed. 131 00:08:09,197 --> 00:08:12,986 And how did The Byrds come to be? 132 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:14,529 It started so innocently. 133 00:08:15,870 --> 00:08:19,079 ♪ Oh yeah I'll tell you somethin' ♪ 134 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:22,374 ♪ I think you'll understand ♪ 135 00:08:22,377 --> 00:08:24,039 The Beatles came out. 136 00:08:24,045 --> 00:08:25,286 And I heard this on the radio... 137 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:30,879 And I said wow, you know, they're using folk music chord changes, 138 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:32,126 all these passing chords. 139 00:08:35,056 --> 00:08:37,469 So, it gave me an idea of taking an old folk song 140 00:08:37,475 --> 00:08:39,341 and suping it up with a Beatle beat. 141 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:40,843 And I took it down to the village 142 00:08:40,854 --> 00:08:42,971 and played it at the Café Playhouse. 143 00:08:42,981 --> 00:08:44,392 And they didn't like it. 144 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,686 They didn't like the rock 'n' roll 145 00:08:46,693 --> 00:08:48,559 and folk music combined. 146 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:50,778 They thought it was kind of a bad idea. 147 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:54,615 You know, the coolest thing about Roger, and I... 148 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:56,700 it was like the first day I met him, 149 00:08:56,703 --> 00:09:01,698 he came into the Playhouse Café with a Gibson 12-string, 150 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:05,164 and he plays "I Wanna Hold Your Hand". 151 00:09:05,170 --> 00:09:06,128 Hmm. 152 00:09:06,129 --> 00:09:08,212 And I went "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" 153 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:12,003 as a one guitar folk thing? 154 00:09:12,010 --> 00:09:15,799 And it was really a remarkable, ballsy thing. 155 00:09:15,805 --> 00:09:18,013 - And he did take abuse for it. - Yeah. 156 00:09:18,016 --> 00:09:20,679 I know a lot of people were going what's he doing? 157 00:09:20,685 --> 00:09:22,221 So I went out to L.A. 158 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:24,971 and I got gig at the Troubadour opening up for Hoyt Axton 159 00:09:24,981 --> 00:09:26,438 doing the same thing. 160 00:09:26,441 --> 00:09:27,852 And they didn't like it there, either. 161 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:30,772 And that's when I got together with Gene Clark 162 00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:33,522 and David Crosby and we got The Byrds together. 163 00:09:33,531 --> 00:09:35,272 There was a lot of funny shit that happened. 164 00:09:35,283 --> 00:09:38,026 Ah, we were rehearsing 165 00:09:38,036 --> 00:09:41,404 in an old recording studio down on Third Avenue, 166 00:09:41,414 --> 00:09:44,248 ah, World Pacific I think it was called. 167 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:45,661 Used to be a jazz studio. 168 00:09:45,668 --> 00:09:48,001 After they were through using the studio at night, 169 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:50,542 we would go in there and rehearse. 170 00:09:50,548 --> 00:09:53,211 And it did The Byrds a great deal of good because 171 00:09:53,218 --> 00:09:55,551 we would have to listen to it back. 172 00:09:55,553 --> 00:09:57,920 If you hear how awful you are then you work harder! 173 00:09:57,931 --> 00:09:58,847 Mm hmm. 174 00:09:58,848 --> 00:10:00,464 And so, that's exactly what we did. 175 00:10:00,475 --> 00:10:04,059 And then, after we started getting good with it, ah, 176 00:10:04,729 --> 00:10:06,015 Dylan showed up. 177 00:10:07,982 --> 00:10:09,939 You have to be more specific. 178 00:10:09,943 --> 00:10:10,943 No, I'm kidding! 179 00:10:10,944 --> 00:10:12,105 You mean there's more than one? 180 00:10:12,112 --> 00:10:13,028 Yeah! 181 00:10:13,029 --> 00:10:14,190 - Bob showed up. - Okay. 182 00:10:14,197 --> 00:10:16,940 And he, 'cause he had heard we were doing "Tambourine Man". 183 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:18,532 He listened to us play it electric 184 00:10:18,535 --> 00:10:21,744 and he you can hear the gears turning, you know. 185 00:10:21,746 --> 00:10:24,113 He knew he wanted to do that immediately. 186 00:10:24,582 --> 00:10:28,201 With The Byrds the real accomplishment is the melding 187 00:10:28,211 --> 00:10:31,704 of, you know, folk music and rock 'n' roll 188 00:10:31,714 --> 00:10:33,421 and I mean all the bands you think of that 189 00:10:33,424 --> 00:10:35,165 as that California sound. 190 00:10:36,177 --> 00:10:38,339 Really none of them sound exactly like The Byrds. 191 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:42,598 ♪ The reasons why ♪ 192 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,138 That 12-string riff is pretty spectacular. 193 00:10:45,145 --> 00:10:48,138 That's a pretty big moment in rock music. 194 00:10:48,148 --> 00:10:51,937 That's really, you know, two things clashing together 195 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:53,775 in a huge wave. 196 00:10:53,778 --> 00:10:57,146 And it would create a whole genre of music quickly. 197 00:10:57,532 --> 00:10:59,524 I loved the sound that McGuinn got out 198 00:10:59,534 --> 00:11:03,027 of the 12-string and I thought that the way he placed that, 199 00:11:03,037 --> 00:11:06,701 and Crosby's rhythm, you know, underpinning it, 200 00:11:06,708 --> 00:11:09,325 they were the powerful band that we all wanted to be! 201 00:11:14,716 --> 00:11:16,127 I liked The Byrds a lot 202 00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:18,501 and I liked their kind of philosophy, 203 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:22,505 the musical philosophy, really, of, you know, folk rock. 204 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:25,178 Folk rock to me was... it was the songwriting, too. 205 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:27,142 - Yeah, it was good. - It was beautiful. 206 00:11:27,145 --> 00:11:29,808 ♪ Oh, what will you give me? 207 00:11:30,356 --> 00:11:35,317 ♪ Sang the sad bells of Rhymney ♪ 208 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:40,489 Folk music is just an older form of songwriting. 209 00:11:41,201 --> 00:11:43,318 You learn a song from somebody, 210 00:11:43,328 --> 00:11:46,287 maybe it was your uncle or somebody who learned it from 211 00:11:46,289 --> 00:11:48,576 a knife sharpener who traveled through the South 212 00:11:48,583 --> 00:11:51,326 sharpening knives and scissors who also played banjo and fiddle. 213 00:11:52,712 --> 00:11:55,671 When The Byrds came out, there were people who disapproved 214 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:59,087 of doing those folk songs with a band. 215 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:01,426 But it was very infectious. 216 00:12:01,429 --> 00:12:05,093 That's a big step forward from "Love Me Do" 217 00:12:05,099 --> 00:12:07,091 to any of those things. 218 00:12:07,101 --> 00:12:10,560 And we started to take rock 'n' roll seriously, 219 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:13,931 'cause, yeah, no one took it seriously before that. 220 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:16,650 We were putting good poetry on the radio, 221 00:12:16,653 --> 00:12:18,519 AM radio, pop radio. 222 00:12:19,030 --> 00:12:20,237 It was the first time. 223 00:12:20,823 --> 00:12:24,407 There wasn't any of that before. It was June, Moon, Spoon. 224 00:12:24,410 --> 00:12:27,403 ♪ Baby I love you Ooh, ooh ♪ 225 00:12:28,248 --> 00:12:30,114 Wasn't "Dance beneath the diamond sky 226 00:12:30,124 --> 00:12:32,491 with one hand waving free." 227 00:12:32,502 --> 00:12:34,289 It changed everything for everybody. 228 00:12:34,295 --> 00:12:35,536 Yeah. 229 00:12:36,881 --> 00:12:38,088 Fiona, are you here? 230 00:12:47,558 --> 00:12:49,515 I actually met Fiona when she was 17. 231 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:51,556 She'll probably be embarrassed if I say that. 232 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:54,813 Too late now! 233 00:12:54,816 --> 00:12:56,102 Ready? 234 00:12:56,109 --> 00:12:57,225 Let's do a Byrds song. 235 00:13:08,830 --> 00:13:11,948 ♪ Oh, every time I see you smile ♪ 236 00:13:12,625 --> 00:13:15,993 ♪ Now, come to me now, don't be long ♪ 237 00:13:16,462 --> 00:13:19,626 ♪ Let me tell you how my heart goes wild ♪ 238 00:13:20,216 --> 00:13:24,051 ♪ Please let me love you and it won't be wrong ♪ 239 00:13:26,264 --> 00:13:29,428 ♪ Every time you're in my arms ♪ 240 00:13:30,018 --> 00:13:33,853 ♪ Come to me, don't be long ♪ 241 00:13:33,855 --> 00:13:37,599 ♪ You know that I will never do you harm ♪ 242 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:41,477 ♪ Please let me love you and it won't be wrong ♪ 243 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:46,652 ♪ Let me love you and then you'll see ♪ 244 00:13:47,452 --> 00:13:51,321 ♪ Now, come to me, now, come to me ♪ 245 00:13:51,331 --> 00:13:54,574 ♪ Let me show you once and we'll be free ♪ 246 00:13:55,168 --> 00:13:59,037 ♪ Please let me love you and it won't be wrong ♪ 247 00:14:12,143 --> 00:14:13,884 The Beatles came to America 248 00:14:13,895 --> 00:14:15,511 and they asked them who's your favorite band? 249 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:16,637 And they said The Byrds! 250 00:14:16,647 --> 00:14:17,763 And we were just blown away. 251 00:14:17,774 --> 00:14:19,015 We kind of dressed like 'em. 252 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,893 In fact, we bought these suits that had black velvet collars. 253 00:14:21,903 --> 00:14:23,815 And we used to wear them to Ciro's every night 254 00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:25,028 while we were doing our gig. 255 00:14:25,031 --> 00:14:26,192 That worked for about a week. 256 00:14:26,199 --> 00:14:27,565 We'd hang them up in the dressing room 257 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:29,862 and put back our t-shirts and jeans and go home. 258 00:14:29,869 --> 00:14:33,203 Well, one night we got to Ciro's and the suits were gone. 259 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:34,663 And I told this to John Lennon. 260 00:14:34,665 --> 00:14:36,531 He said, "I wished they'd stolen our suits." 261 00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:49,129 ♪ Every time I see you smile ♪ 262 00:14:49,597 --> 00:14:53,056 ♪ Come to me, don't be long ♪ 263 00:14:53,059 --> 00:14:56,393 ♪ Let me tell you how my heart goes wild ♪ 264 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:59,685 ♪ Please let me love you and it won't be wrong ♪ 265 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:13,277 We were invited to go to England 266 00:15:13,287 --> 00:15:14,744 and we were really jazzed because 267 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:16,830 this is where The Beatles and The Stones were. 268 00:15:16,833 --> 00:15:18,790 Then we got there and we discovered we'd been billed 269 00:15:18,793 --> 00:15:21,331 as America's answer to The Beatles. 270 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:23,624 And it was a little tough to live up to. 271 00:15:23,631 --> 00:15:26,214 And they came to see us one night at the Blaises Club 272 00:15:26,217 --> 00:15:29,005 and Chris was so nervous he broke a bass string. 273 00:15:29,011 --> 00:15:31,173 And nobody ever breaks a bass string, but he did. 274 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:33,763 Then we went upstairs after the show 275 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:35,052 and John and George came up 276 00:15:35,059 --> 00:15:37,301 and John said "Great show!" you know. 277 00:15:37,311 --> 00:15:39,348 They loved us. They were really nice to us. 278 00:15:39,355 --> 00:15:42,814 When we came over there finally, they were extremely cool. 279 00:15:43,359 --> 00:15:45,225 Who is the young man with the lengthy haircut 280 00:15:45,236 --> 00:15:46,647 to your right rear? 281 00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:47,654 Who is it? 282 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:50,864 That's Dave from The Byrds, a mate of ours. 283 00:15:50,867 --> 00:15:53,985 And then the next night we went to the Scotch at St. James 284 00:15:53,995 --> 00:15:57,614 and Paul McCartney, this is his private club. 285 00:15:57,623 --> 00:16:00,331 And we had a couple of drinks, and he took me for a ride 286 00:16:00,334 --> 00:16:03,042 in his Aston Martin DB5 around London. 287 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:04,536 And then we hung out at The Stones' house 288 00:16:04,547 --> 00:16:06,504 and they showed us how they rolled joints. 289 00:16:06,507 --> 00:16:08,043 And they had a butler that rolled joints 290 00:16:08,050 --> 00:16:11,168 and put them on the stairs for them in the morning 291 00:16:11,179 --> 00:16:12,053 like the morning coffee! 292 00:16:12,054 --> 00:16:13,013 Yeah. 293 00:16:13,014 --> 00:16:14,846 The Byrds were great. 294 00:16:14,849 --> 00:16:16,465 They just became our friends. 295 00:16:16,476 --> 00:16:18,559 I mean when we came to L.A., 296 00:16:18,561 --> 00:16:21,178 they came and hung out with us, you know. 297 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:25,024 That 12-string sound was great and the voices were great. 298 00:16:25,318 --> 00:16:26,854 So we loved The Byrds. 299 00:16:26,861 --> 00:16:30,696 They introduced us to a hallucinogenic situation. 300 00:16:30,698 --> 00:16:31,814 Hmm. 301 00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:35,067 And, ah, we had a really good time. 302 00:16:35,077 --> 00:16:39,196 The Beatles actually started the folk rock 303 00:16:39,207 --> 00:16:40,368 in California. 304 00:16:40,374 --> 00:16:45,369 It was... and it probably was the California guys 305 00:16:45,713 --> 00:16:47,921 trying to grab hold of that sound. 306 00:16:48,633 --> 00:16:50,716 It's all full of strange coincidences. 307 00:16:50,718 --> 00:16:54,211 John Hall of the Rickenbacker company flying to New York 308 00:16:54,222 --> 00:16:56,885 because he'd heard The Beatles played Rickenbacker 309 00:16:56,891 --> 00:16:59,008 and going up to the suite 310 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:03,308 with the second Rickenbacker 12-string ever made, 311 00:17:03,314 --> 00:17:04,976 giving it to George. 312 00:17:04,982 --> 00:17:06,894 He brought it for John 313 00:17:06,901 --> 00:17:09,609 because he's the one that played the Rickenbacker. 314 00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:12,313 But George had the flu, the other three had gone out 315 00:17:12,323 --> 00:17:15,031 for a photo session, and George nabbed the 12-string. 316 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:15,951 Mm hmm. 317 00:17:15,952 --> 00:17:18,786 That changed pop music, you know, 318 00:17:18,788 --> 00:17:20,780 rock music I guess you would call it. 319 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:22,998 We should have the nerve to call it rock music, 320 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,162 I mean it was rock 'n' roll music. 321 00:17:25,503 --> 00:17:27,711 Everything was influencing everything. 322 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:31,707 With this huge witches brew of, you know, 323 00:17:31,717 --> 00:17:33,299 and things would pop out. 324 00:17:33,302 --> 00:17:35,885 I mean and transatlantic, too, 'cause we were all listening 325 00:17:35,888 --> 00:17:37,880 to each other's records, you know. 326 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:42,305 And The Beatles were doing their cop on The Byrds 327 00:17:42,311 --> 00:17:46,726 with one song and then they were doing The Beach Boys 328 00:17:46,732 --> 00:17:48,314 with "Girl", you know. 329 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:54,070 ♪ I wish they all could be California girls ♪ 330 00:18:06,210 --> 00:18:10,204 I was a sucker for Brian's work right away. 331 00:18:10,214 --> 00:18:13,127 I was very close friends with Felix Pappalardi 332 00:18:13,134 --> 00:18:16,047 and he was the guy who pointed out to me 333 00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:19,592 the Bach-like qualities. 334 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,216 And he said listen to this chord sequence. 335 00:18:22,226 --> 00:18:27,221 They're using like Bach chordal movements in there. 336 00:18:27,898 --> 00:18:30,641 I mean that was really important. 337 00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:34,565 ♪ Yeah, but I couldn't wait to get back in the States ♪ 338 00:18:34,572 --> 00:18:37,781 ♪ Back to the cutest girls in the world ♪ 339 00:18:39,201 --> 00:18:43,445 ♪ I wish they all could be California girls ♪ 340 00:18:53,716 --> 00:18:55,958 Well, they were the other band that we admired. 341 00:18:57,511 --> 00:18:58,718 They were it. 342 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:02,799 Everybody else... and they were as establishment as they could be, 343 00:19:02,808 --> 00:19:04,424 but they were good. 344 00:19:04,435 --> 00:19:06,552 They had good songs 'cause of Brian 345 00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:08,428 and they had really interesting harmonies, 346 00:19:08,439 --> 00:19:10,897 completely different than anybody else. 347 00:19:10,900 --> 00:19:12,732 So, we liked them a lot. 348 00:19:12,735 --> 00:19:14,727 May I have, I'm sure most everybody knows 349 00:19:14,737 --> 00:19:17,901 but for anybody who might not, may be introduce you by name? 350 00:19:17,907 --> 00:19:19,443 - Al Jardine. - Thank you, Al. 351 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:20,816 - Dennis Wilson. - Thank you. 352 00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:23,193 - Brian Wilson. - Carl Wilson. 353 00:19:23,204 --> 00:19:24,204 Mike Love. 354 00:19:24,205 --> 00:19:26,743 Who determines what will be done next? 355 00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:29,871 Well, I guess I do. I don't know. 356 00:19:29,877 --> 00:19:31,368 I write the songs and produce them, 357 00:19:31,379 --> 00:19:33,211 so I have a lot to say about it. 358 00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:36,377 I can't see something in Mozart 359 00:19:36,384 --> 00:19:38,671 that's better than Brian Wilson. 360 00:19:39,387 --> 00:19:41,219 I think you could make that case. 361 00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:43,926 Those guys would have loved him. 362 00:19:43,933 --> 00:19:45,140 Hmm. 363 00:19:45,726 --> 00:19:47,843 He's really just too good. He's 364 00:19:47,853 --> 00:19:49,014 Yeah. 365 00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:53,140 He's not a guy that comes down the pike in many lifetimes. 366 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:55,016 That's pretty special stuff. 367 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:05,861 ♪ In this world I lock out ♪ 368 00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:12,459 ♪ All my worries and my fears ♪ 369 00:20:13,754 --> 00:20:16,417 ♪ In my room ♪ 370 00:20:20,219 --> 00:20:23,053 ♪ In my room ♪ 371 00:20:28,686 --> 00:20:32,225 ♪ I do my dreaming ♪ 372 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:35,690 ♪ And my scheming ♪ 373 00:20:35,693 --> 00:20:40,484 ♪ Lie awake and pray ♪ 374 00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:47,862 ♪ Do my crying And my sighing ♪ 375 00:20:50,291 --> 00:20:56,379 ♪ Laugh at yesterday ♪ 376 00:20:57,423 --> 00:21:02,418 ♪ Now it's dark and I'm alone ♪ 377 00:21:03,846 --> 00:21:09,558 ♪ But I won't be afraid ♪ 378 00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:12,890 ♪ In my room ♪ 379 00:21:16,942 --> 00:21:19,935 ♪ In my room ♪ 380 00:21:20,738 --> 00:21:23,606 ♪ In my room ♪ 381 00:21:23,991 --> 00:21:26,950 ♪ In my room ♪ 382 00:21:27,453 --> 00:21:32,323 ♪ In my room ♪ 383 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:41,331 "In My Room", oh my God, you know. 384 00:21:41,342 --> 00:21:46,337 Who has not, you know, sought solace of your... the privacy 385 00:21:47,181 --> 00:21:49,889 and the solace of your own room, your own space. 386 00:21:49,892 --> 00:21:52,350 It can be said in a million ways, 387 00:21:52,353 --> 00:21:54,970 but I mean just that... that song was so beautiful. 388 00:21:55,189 --> 00:21:58,102 Beach Boys was a primary thing 389 00:21:58,108 --> 00:22:02,227 when Cream was kind of philosophically driven by it, 390 00:22:02,238 --> 00:22:05,026 by the idea that we could somehow do something like that. 391 00:22:05,032 --> 00:22:09,072 Or be inspired by that, Pet Sounds, you know. 392 00:22:09,537 --> 00:22:13,372 They lived right down the street from us, Brian and Marilyn. 393 00:22:13,374 --> 00:22:16,538 And one day I went over there and the whole living room 394 00:22:16,544 --> 00:22:18,001 was full of sand. 395 00:22:18,712 --> 00:22:21,125 And there was nothing in the living room 396 00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:26,798 but a Steinway and a piano bench and just all sand. 397 00:22:27,972 --> 00:22:31,136 And I looked at her and I said what is going on? 398 00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:36,432 She said I know it's crazy but he's writing some great songs. 399 00:22:36,438 --> 00:22:37,554 Mm hmm. 400 00:22:37,815 --> 00:22:39,898 And he was writing Pet Sounds! 401 00:22:44,238 --> 00:22:48,198 I won that record on the radio, ah, on a call-in! 402 00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:52,156 Like I was standing by the phone 403 00:22:52,162 --> 00:22:54,700 and some trivia question was asked. 404 00:22:55,624 --> 00:22:58,207 I called right away and answered it and I won a record! 405 00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:01,036 And it was Pet Sounds. 406 00:23:02,089 --> 00:23:05,423 It took me a few spins to understand, like, 407 00:23:05,426 --> 00:23:06,792 what's going on here. 408 00:23:06,802 --> 00:23:09,590 But I just fell in love with that record. 409 00:23:10,264 --> 00:23:11,380 It's different. 410 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,131 You know, it's off in a corner by itself. 411 00:23:13,142 --> 00:23:15,384 Nobody else did that successfully, 412 00:23:15,394 --> 00:23:16,555 not to the level they did 413 00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:18,394 'cause they didn't have a writer like Brian. 414 00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:21,932 I was just kind of maybe too young to really appreciate 415 00:23:21,942 --> 00:23:25,151 how incredibly sophisticated the music was. 416 00:23:25,154 --> 00:23:29,239 I just saw five guys wearing the same shirt holding one surfboard 417 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:30,527 and I thought it was lame. 418 00:23:30,534 --> 00:23:31,650 Hmm. 419 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:35,119 But all that changed when I heard Pet Sounds. 420 00:23:35,122 --> 00:23:37,705 That's said to be responsible for Sgt. Pepper, 421 00:23:37,708 --> 00:23:38,949 you know, totally. 422 00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:41,167 Imagine a band influencing The Beatles. 423 00:23:49,136 --> 00:23:53,881 ♪ I keep looking for a place to fit in ♪ 424 00:23:53,891 --> 00:23:58,226 ♪ Where I can speak my mind ♪ 425 00:23:58,979 --> 00:24:03,724 ♪ And I've been trying hard to find the people ♪ 426 00:24:03,734 --> 00:24:08,024 ♪ That I won't leave behind ♪ 427 00:24:08,822 --> 00:24:10,939 ♪ They say I got brains ♪ 428 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:15,490 ♪ But they ain't doing me no good ♪ 429 00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:17,988 ♪ I wish they could ♪ 430 00:24:18,749 --> 00:24:23,414 ♪ And each time things start to happen again ♪ 431 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:27,835 ♪ I think I got something good goin' for myself ♪ 432 00:24:27,841 --> 00:24:30,299 ♪ But what goes wrong ♪ 433 00:24:30,928 --> 00:24:35,514 ♪ Now, sometimes I feel very sad ♪ 434 00:24:36,058 --> 00:24:41,053 ♪ Sometimes I feel very sad ♪ 435 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:45,932 Do you want to sit at the piano? 436 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:47,024 Does the song sound familiar to you? 437 00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:48,984 - Do you need me at the piano? - Yeah, come on. 438 00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:51,987 We're working on a couple of your songs. 439 00:24:56,704 --> 00:24:59,196 We're working on "Just Wasn't Made For These Times". 440 00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:01,072 What key is your original key? Do you remember? 441 00:25:01,083 --> 00:25:02,369 My original... B-flat. 442 00:25:02,376 --> 00:25:03,492 We're in E-flat. 443 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:05,118 E-flat, oh, you got the wrong key! 444 00:25:06,588 --> 00:25:08,079 We'll get capos. 445 00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:10,047 Yeah, play it in E-flat or E or wherever you do. 446 00:25:10,050 --> 00:25:11,382 Okay, cool. 447 00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:41,363 Well, Bach influenced "California Girls", 448 00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,912 the duh, duh-duh, duh-duh, that kind of a beat, shuffle rhythm. 449 00:25:44,918 --> 00:25:47,410 Chuck Berry and the Four Freshmen taught me harmony 450 00:25:47,421 --> 00:25:51,210 and Chuck Berry taught me rock 'n' roll melodies. 451 00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:55,085 Well, I learned violin arrangement from George Martin. 452 00:25:55,095 --> 00:25:56,927 I learned how to make... write out, you know, 453 00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:58,466 violin for violin players. 454 00:25:58,474 --> 00:26:00,682 I wrote manuscript for them, and they played it... 455 00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:02,550 if they played it wrong I can walk out and go 456 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:04,518 "You got it wrong, buddy. You gotta do this right", 457 00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:07,434 you know, and they'd fix their instruments and they'd do it. 458 00:26:07,441 --> 00:26:08,477 Hmm. 459 00:26:08,484 --> 00:26:11,022 Well, The Beatles were probably my favorite group, you know. 460 00:26:11,028 --> 00:26:12,735 I really liked them a lot. 461 00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:15,572 With Rubber Soul, one of my buddies brought it over 462 00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:16,690 and played it for me. 463 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:19,568 I said I can't believe this album! You know? 464 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:22,286 He kept playing it and playing it and I said wow! 465 00:26:22,289 --> 00:26:23,325 I couldn't believe it. 466 00:26:23,332 --> 00:26:25,324 That made me write the Pet Sounds album. 467 00:26:25,334 --> 00:26:29,669 ♪ Now, sometimes I feel very sad ♪ 468 00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:34,716 ♪ Now, sometimes I feel very sad ♪ 469 00:26:40,099 --> 00:26:45,094 ♪ And I guess I just wasn't made for these times ♪ 470 00:27:16,093 --> 00:27:21,885 ♪ While I'm far away from you my baby ♪ 471 00:27:23,517 --> 00:27:28,888 ♪ I know it's hard for you my baby ♪ 472 00:27:30,232 --> 00:27:35,227 ♪ Because it's hard for me my baby ♪ 473 00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:41,525 ♪ And the darkest hour is just before dawn ♪ 474 00:27:43,495 --> 00:27:49,412 ♪ Each night before you go to bed my baby ♪ 475 00:27:50,252 --> 00:27:56,624 ♪ Whisper a little prayer for me my baby ♪ 476 00:27:57,342 --> 00:28:03,589 ♪ Because it's hard for me my baby ♪ 477 00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:08,097 ♪ And the darkest hour is just before dawn ♪ 478 00:28:08,103 --> 00:28:12,689 We had the radio on and The Byrds came on. 479 00:28:14,818 --> 00:28:16,229 I mean it was The Byrds. 480 00:28:16,236 --> 00:28:18,694 We were sure of it because we knew them. 481 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,563 We knew them personally and we were friends with them. 482 00:28:20,574 --> 00:28:24,614 So we said God, if The Byrds can have a hit, 483 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,078 anybody can have a hit! 484 00:28:27,915 --> 00:28:28,996 Hmm. 485 00:28:28,999 --> 00:28:32,242 So, we've got to get back to L.A. 486 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:34,084 But we were staying at the Albert Hotel. 487 00:28:34,087 --> 00:28:36,500 That's where all the musicians kind of stayed 488 00:28:36,506 --> 00:28:38,122 when they went into town. 489 00:28:38,133 --> 00:28:40,295 And since John and I had gotten married, 490 00:28:40,302 --> 00:28:41,838 I wanted to go back home. 491 00:28:42,179 --> 00:28:45,013 And he said we can't go back home. 492 00:28:45,015 --> 00:28:46,131 We can't. 493 00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:48,758 The music business is here in New York. 494 00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:50,931 That's when he woke me up in the middle of the night 495 00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:53,100 and he said I'm writing a song. 496 00:28:53,106 --> 00:28:54,392 Listen to this. 497 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:55,890 And he played: 498 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:57,984 ♪ All the leaves are brown ♪ 499 00:28:58,820 --> 00:29:01,062 ♪ And the sky is gray ♪ 500 00:29:02,407 --> 00:29:04,194 ♪ I've been for a walk... ♪ 501 00:29:05,661 --> 00:29:07,618 ♪ On a winter's day ♪ 502 00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:11,706 ♪ I'd be safe and warm ♪ 503 00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:16,169 ♪ If I was in L.A. ♪ 504 00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:22,876 ♪ California dreamin' ♪ 505 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:25,629 ♪ On such a winter's day... ♪ 506 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:30,716 Has it been a while since you've been in this room? 507 00:29:30,727 --> 00:29:35,722 I was just saying that this is where we first sang 508 00:29:35,816 --> 00:29:38,354 for Lou Adler, in this studio. 509 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,318 In this room, too? 510 00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,982 We recorded in 3, but this is where we, 511 00:29:41,989 --> 00:29:44,857 just where we're standing right now, 512 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:49,031 we sang practically the first album for Lou. 513 00:29:49,037 --> 00:29:50,448 And what were some of the songs you sang 514 00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:51,991 in the audition that you had? 515 00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:53,991 "California Dreamin'", 516 00:29:54,001 --> 00:29:55,583 "Monday Monday", 517 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:57,831 "Go Where You Wanna Go." 518 00:29:57,838 --> 00:29:59,750 - You had some good ones, then. - You know. 519 00:30:00,924 --> 00:30:02,381 - Wow. - We had some material. 520 00:30:02,384 --> 00:30:06,253 And he said, with his hat pulled down over his nose like this, 521 00:30:06,263 --> 00:30:08,425 you know, "Why don't you guys come back tomorrow. 522 00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:09,889 We'll talk about this tomorrow." 523 00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:11,553 "Okay." 524 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,926 And when we came back, 525 00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:16,225 the contracts were all over the floor at Studio 3 526 00:30:16,231 --> 00:30:19,065 and they were handing out pens like here! 527 00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:21,184 Sign this! Sign this! Sign this! 528 00:30:21,194 --> 00:30:23,026 Well, then the audition went well, obviously. 529 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:23,988 It did! 530 00:30:23,989 --> 00:30:26,697 I think the first studio I recorded in, 531 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:30,410 that's all the equipment they had, just this little slab here. 532 00:30:31,413 --> 00:30:35,828 The piano was in the middle. 533 00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:41,539 Hal Blaine and his drums were there. 534 00:30:41,548 --> 00:30:46,293 John Phillips and his 12-string, P. F. Sloan, 535 00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:48,044 maybe Glen Campbell, 536 00:30:48,055 --> 00:30:50,593 Billy Strange, one of those guitar players... 537 00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,636 - All in here. - would be in a line. 538 00:30:52,642 --> 00:30:56,477 We were at the end of a take and Denny Doherty... 539 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,221 it was pretty wild through the night. 540 00:30:58,231 --> 00:31:00,393 It got wilder and wilder. 541 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,814 A lot of Crown Royal bags laying everything. 542 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:07,860 And Denny had fallen asleep on the piano. 543 00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:12,777 And John said "Denny, get up. I need a note." 544 00:31:12,788 --> 00:31:16,577 And we couldn't raise Denny. 545 00:31:16,583 --> 00:31:20,702 So, we put... got a microphone and pulled it over here. 546 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:21,629 Hmm. 547 00:31:21,630 --> 00:31:23,963 And put it over Denny like that. 548 00:31:23,965 --> 00:31:28,005 And John leaned down and sang the note to him. 549 00:31:28,011 --> 00:31:31,630 Denny sang the note, he got the note he wanted, 550 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,427 he went right back to sleep. 551 00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:36,471 But it's a fantastic room. I mean it's... 552 00:31:36,478 --> 00:31:38,765 This room looks exactly the same I would think, no? 553 00:31:38,772 --> 00:31:40,138 The room looks exactly the same. 554 00:31:40,148 --> 00:31:42,105 The speakers are a little different. 555 00:31:42,109 --> 00:31:47,104 But the room looks and feels exactly the same. 556 00:31:47,322 --> 00:31:50,781 ♪ Bah-da bah-da-da-da ♪ 557 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:54,528 ♪ Bah-da bah-da-da-da ♪ 558 00:31:54,538 --> 00:31:58,077 ♪ Monday, Monday ♪ 559 00:32:05,674 --> 00:32:10,385 ♪ It was all I hoped it would be ♪ 560 00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:15,556 ♪ Oh Monday mornin', Monday mornin' ♪ 561 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,973 ♪ Couldn't guarantee ♪ 562 00:32:19,813 --> 00:32:26,185 ♪ That Monday evenin' you would still be here with me ♪ 563 00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:31,446 ♪ Monday, Monday ♪ 564 00:32:32,242 --> 00:32:35,155 ♪ Can't trust that day ♪ 565 00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:39,121 ♪ Monday, Monday ♪ 566 00:32:39,124 --> 00:32:43,994 ♪ Sometimes it just turns out that way ♪ 567 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:49,207 ♪ Oh Monday mornin' you gave me no warnin' ♪ 568 00:32:49,217 --> 00:32:52,130 ♪ Of what was to be ♪ 569 00:32:53,346 --> 00:32:57,386 ♪ Oh Monday, Monday how could you leave ♪ 570 00:32:57,392 --> 00:32:59,600 ♪ and not take me ♪ 571 00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:04,931 ♪ Every other day ♪ 572 00:33:06,526 --> 00:33:10,566 ♪ Of the week is fine, yeah ♪ 573 00:33:11,364 --> 00:33:13,481 ♪ But whenever Monday comes ♪ 574 00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:15,074 ♪ But whenever Monday comes ♪ 575 00:33:15,076 --> 00:33:22,076 ♪ You can find me cryin' all of the time ♪ 576 00:33:24,211 --> 00:33:28,046 It was all very, very romantic. 577 00:33:28,048 --> 00:33:31,883 We were living in the Virgin Islands on the beach in tents. 578 00:33:31,885 --> 00:33:34,969 And it's just inevitable, it's gonna happen, 579 00:33:34,971 --> 00:33:38,965 the dynamics in a group when there are men and women. 580 00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:41,930 You see something in a band member, 581 00:33:41,937 --> 00:33:46,932 their talent and their sexiness, and there's a spark. 582 00:33:46,942 --> 00:33:50,151 I know that it happened in the The Mamas & the Papas. 583 00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:53,897 I've seen it happen in almost any group that I can think of 584 00:33:53,907 --> 00:33:55,944 that have men and women in them. 585 00:33:55,951 --> 00:33:57,408 Jefferson Airplane, 586 00:33:57,410 --> 00:33:59,026 Fleetwood Mac. 587 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:00,824 We were so confined 588 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:03,197 to the four of us living together all the time. 589 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:04,665 We were always together. 590 00:34:04,668 --> 00:34:06,580 And when we were rehearsing, 591 00:34:06,586 --> 00:34:09,920 Denny and I under the table were playing footsie. 592 00:34:10,507 --> 00:34:14,626 And Denny was also a big flirt. 593 00:34:14,636 --> 00:34:19,597 He just wanted to take it to the maximum, you know. 594 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,761 He had a great sense of humor, 595 00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:24,681 that little look in his eye, you know. 596 00:34:25,188 --> 00:34:26,929 He was just so hot. 597 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,603 ♪ Boys and girls ♪ 598 00:34:29,609 --> 00:34:35,105 ♪ You know they're birds of a feather ♪ 599 00:34:36,324 --> 00:34:40,944 ♪ Like two sides of a coin ♪ 600 00:34:40,954 --> 00:34:44,368 ♪ They are foreverjoined ♪ 601 00:34:44,374 --> 00:34:49,335 On the cover of our first album I'm lying back in Denny's arms. 602 00:34:49,337 --> 00:34:50,999 This is before we got caught. 603 00:34:51,006 --> 00:34:53,669 Really, the first night that we were together 604 00:34:53,675 --> 00:34:56,918 we had all been sitting at the table and John and Cass, 605 00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,762 we looked over and they were asleep. 606 00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:03,178 And that's when Denny just got up 607 00:35:03,184 --> 00:35:06,723 and he walked over to the sliding glass door and off we went. 608 00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:10,269 I was raised in a very free atmosphere. 609 00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:14,231 To me, having an affair was not as serious 610 00:35:14,237 --> 00:35:16,945 as it was to the rest of them. 611 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:21,989 I had had an affair before Denny 612 00:35:21,995 --> 00:35:23,952 when John and I had first gotten married. 613 00:35:24,414 --> 00:35:28,408 So, it was something that John had already experienced with me, 614 00:35:28,418 --> 00:35:30,956 and that's when he wrote "Go Where You Wanna Go". 615 00:35:30,962 --> 00:35:35,252 John was really crushed and upset about it 616 00:35:35,258 --> 00:35:38,171 and so the lyric of "go where you want to go, 617 00:35:38,178 --> 00:35:39,714 do what you want to do, 618 00:35:39,721 --> 00:35:42,714 with whoever you want to do it with" bitch! 619 00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:47,093 So, I mean, I was busy. 620 00:35:47,103 --> 00:35:49,390 I was a very busy girl. 621 00:35:49,397 --> 00:35:51,263 And I was having a lot of fun! 622 00:35:51,274 --> 00:35:52,731 I'm glad you said that and not me! 623 00:36:03,411 --> 00:36:06,324 ♪ And you gotta go where you want to go ♪ 624 00:36:06,331 --> 00:36:08,573 ♪ Do what you want to do ♪ 625 00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:13,248 ♪ With whoever you want to do it with ♪ 626 00:36:13,254 --> 00:36:15,496 ♪ Go where you want to go ♪ 627 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:17,794 ♪ Do what you want to do ♪ 628 00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:26,257 ♪ You don't understand ♪ 629 00:36:26,267 --> 00:36:28,259 ♪ That a girl like me ♪ 630 00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:33,936 ♪ Can love just one man ♪ 631 00:36:36,611 --> 00:36:40,901 ♪ Three thousand miles ♪ 632 00:36:40,907 --> 00:36:44,321 ♪ That's how far you'll go ♪ 633 00:36:45,453 --> 00:36:48,787 ♪ And you said to me ♪ 634 00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:53,035 ♪ Please ♪ 635 00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:57,539 ♪ Don't follow ♪ 636 00:36:58,299 --> 00:37:01,212 ♪ You gotta go where you want to go ♪ 637 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,461 ♪ Do what you want to do ♪ 638 00:37:03,471 --> 00:37:07,715 ♪ With whoever you want to do it with ♪ 639 00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:10,225 ♪ Go where you want to go ♪ 640 00:37:10,228 --> 00:37:12,390 ♪ Do what you want to do ♪ 641 00:37:12,397 --> 00:37:16,937 ♪ With whoever you want to do it ♪ 642 00:37:16,943 --> 00:37:20,653 ♪ You don't understand ♪ 643 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:24,569 ♪ That a girl like me can love ♪ 644 00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:29,822 ♪ Just one man ♪ 645 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:35,122 ♪ You've been gone a week ♪ 646 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:38,751 ♪ And I tried so hard ♪ 647 00:37:39,883 --> 00:37:43,797 ♪ Not to be the cryin' kind ♪ 648 00:37:44,345 --> 00:37:47,463 ♪ Not to be the girl ♪ 649 00:37:47,474 --> 00:37:52,469 ♪ You left behind ♪ 650 00:38:13,792 --> 00:38:15,784 ♪ Go where you want to go ♪ 651 00:38:16,044 --> 00:38:18,036 ♪ Do what you want to do ♪ 652 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:22,589 ♪ With whoever you want to do it ♪ 653 00:38:22,592 --> 00:38:25,084 ♪ Go where you want to go ♪ 654 00:38:25,094 --> 00:38:27,427 ♪ Do what you want to do ♪ 655 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,272 Oh, that is so touching! 656 00:38:39,275 --> 00:38:41,016 - Oh good, you like it. - I love it! 657 00:38:41,027 --> 00:38:43,019 - Oh, cool. - I love it. 658 00:38:43,029 --> 00:38:44,395 I forgot what a great song that was! 659 00:38:44,405 --> 00:38:46,021 Yeah, right? 660 00:38:46,366 --> 00:38:47,573 ♪ One, two, three ♪ 661 00:38:47,575 --> 00:38:48,941 ♪ You're going to lose that girl ♪ 662 00:38:56,376 --> 00:38:58,618 The 60s, right, it was really blessed. 663 00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:00,836 I mean all that stuff showed up at once. 664 00:39:00,839 --> 00:39:02,580 Must have been meant that way. 665 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:05,799 But it was a nice circle of really good artists, 666 00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:07,919 well meaning artists, thinking about 667 00:39:07,929 --> 00:39:11,013 how can I make a record as good as that one? 668 00:39:11,015 --> 00:39:12,972 Music happens at a particular moment in time 669 00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:16,140 and it changes everything going forward. 670 00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:19,309 ♪ You're going to lose that girl ♪ 671 00:39:21,442 --> 00:39:26,437 I had ended up with an acetate of Pet Sounds 672 00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:29,611 and I was going to England 673 00:39:29,617 --> 00:39:32,109 to visit my friend Andrew Oldham, 674 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,954 who is a producer of The Rolling Stones. 675 00:39:35,665 --> 00:39:37,827 And Paul McCartney came by 676 00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:39,996 and I played them Pet Sounds 677 00:39:40,003 --> 00:39:43,121 and they were listening to everything that Brian was doing 678 00:39:43,131 --> 00:39:47,375 and thinking about how they could use certain things 679 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:49,627 that he was doing on Pet Sounds. 680 00:39:50,305 --> 00:39:52,592 Out of that comes Sgt. Pepper. 681 00:39:53,308 --> 00:39:55,721 There was a lot of stuff going on. 682 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:58,265 All those records you bought, those vinyl... we bought, 683 00:39:58,271 --> 00:39:59,978 you weren't even born... 684 00:39:59,981 --> 00:40:03,145 were just the best. 'Cause everyone was at it. 685 00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:05,643 I have two favorite records, as a lot of people do, 686 00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:08,646 and one of them is Pet Sounds and the other is Sgt. Pepper. 687 00:40:08,656 --> 00:40:10,318 You can listen to the records 688 00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:14,535 and you can see the cross-pollinization. 689 00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:16,153 It was a magical thing. 690 00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:19,497 Any time something good happens, 691 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,412 it's gonna show up other places. 692 00:40:21,419 --> 00:40:23,285 It's gonna be mirrored back. 693 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,167 Well, that was just like cross-pollinization. 694 00:40:26,174 --> 00:40:28,882 I mean The Beatles also grew up listening to skiffle music. 695 00:40:29,385 --> 00:40:33,095 George admits "The Bells of Rhymney" 696 00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:35,805 and "If I Needed Someone" are very similar. 697 00:40:35,808 --> 00:40:40,473 I think he sent Roger a little card about it 698 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,016 that he still has, you know. 699 00:40:42,023 --> 00:40:44,731 Someone would have written most of a song, say, 700 00:40:44,734 --> 00:40:46,691 you know, Paul or John, and they play it 701 00:40:46,694 --> 00:40:49,357 and when it felt good okay, that's how we do it. 702 00:40:49,364 --> 00:40:51,356 We would just jam. We were buskers. 703 00:40:51,366 --> 00:40:53,858 The riff was... 704 00:40:58,122 --> 00:41:00,580 ♪ Oh, what will you give me? ♪ 705 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:05,707 ♪ Say the sad bells of Rhomey ♪ 706 00:41:05,713 --> 00:41:08,626 Anyway, so George liked that riff and he wrote: 707 00:41:08,633 --> 00:41:11,467 ♪ If I needed someone to love ♪ 708 00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:12,386 based on that. 709 00:41:12,387 --> 00:41:15,004 He made a tape of it and gave it to Derek Taylor in London. 710 00:41:15,014 --> 00:41:18,052 Derek came over to my house, he said George wants you to know 711 00:41:18,059 --> 00:41:21,769 that he wrote this song based on your riff in "Bells of Rhymney". 712 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:25,189 When you hear beautiful music it gets inside you 713 00:41:25,191 --> 00:41:27,729 and sometimes you want to do a little something like that 714 00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:29,192 maybe, but your way. 715 00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:32,279 Or wow, he did that so maybe I could maybe... 716 00:41:32,281 --> 00:41:34,022 and it's an open-ended thing. 717 00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:37,322 But that's fair, right? That's... that's fair. 718 00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:40,412 But, you know, outright theft isn't that good but you... 719 00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:44,454 But in that sense I thought it was really nice. 720 00:41:50,091 --> 00:41:51,377 You have the heavy... 721 00:41:51,384 --> 00:41:52,591 you're a little bit on the heavier side. 722 00:41:52,593 --> 00:41:54,585 You got the Pet Sounds and the Sgt. Pepper's over there... 723 00:41:54,595 --> 00:41:56,302 I have some very good shit over here, yeah! 724 00:41:56,305 --> 00:41:57,716 I'll stick with this. 725 00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:01,092 Yeah. And these records come 726 00:42:01,102 --> 00:42:03,264 all of a sudden like an avalanche. 727 00:42:03,271 --> 00:42:04,387 Mm hmm. 728 00:42:04,397 --> 00:42:06,855 And there's nothing like them before. 729 00:42:06,858 --> 00:42:09,601 It used to be that every time any of these came out 730 00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:13,103 it was like this giant event 731 00:42:13,114 --> 00:42:16,448 and people would talk about it and gather together 732 00:42:16,451 --> 00:42:19,990 and put on a record in their room and listen to the record. 733 00:42:19,996 --> 00:42:21,112 - It's so cool. - For days. 734 00:42:21,122 --> 00:42:22,122 For days! 735 00:42:22,123 --> 00:42:27,084 And they'd be deciphering, you know, why is he wearing this cape, 736 00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:28,998 poncho, from the Renaissance Fair. 737 00:42:30,423 --> 00:42:33,507 Yeah, one of my favorite things about all these bands 738 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:36,502 is that they're, in a sense, they're sort of super groups, 739 00:42:36,512 --> 00:42:38,424 you know. They have multiple lead singers. 740 00:42:38,431 --> 00:42:40,423 They have multiple songwriters. 741 00:42:40,433 --> 00:42:44,097 But I think the beauty of all this is how they came together 742 00:42:44,103 --> 00:42:48,473 and brought the best of that they had for something. 743 00:42:48,816 --> 00:42:51,604 Yeah! I mean just listen to Buffalo Springfield 744 00:42:51,611 --> 00:42:53,603 - and all those bands. - Yeah. 745 00:42:53,613 --> 00:42:55,696 You just get something completely remarkable and unique 746 00:42:55,698 --> 00:42:57,155 - when it's... - Oh, yeah... 747 00:42:57,158 --> 00:42:59,024 A combination, a collaborative, that you can't... 748 00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:01,743 you just can't do, with all your own DNA. 749 00:43:01,746 --> 00:43:02,827 You just can't. 750 00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:05,572 Gentlemen! Gentlemen! 751 00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,449 Nice to see you all! 752 00:43:07,460 --> 00:43:08,792 Welcome. 753 00:43:08,795 --> 00:43:11,253 Would you be kind enough to act as spokesman, 754 00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:13,497 introduce yourself, and then let us know who else is involved. 755 00:43:13,508 --> 00:43:15,591 Ah, my name is Neil Young. 756 00:43:15,593 --> 00:43:16,674 All right, Neil. How do you do? 757 00:43:16,677 --> 00:43:18,339 I'm the lead guitar player. How do you do? 758 00:43:18,346 --> 00:43:20,133 This is Richie Furay. 759 00:43:20,139 --> 00:43:21,971 Hello, Richie! Nice to see you 760 00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:24,466 - This is Steve Stills. - Hello, Steve. Nice to see you. 761 00:43:24,477 --> 00:43:27,185 How does three Canadians and a couple of other fellows 762 00:43:27,188 --> 00:43:29,430 all fall into together? How did that happen? 763 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,808 Well, we, ah, Bruce and I came to Los Angeles 764 00:43:32,819 --> 00:43:36,028 in an old hearse to try to, you know, make stars, you know. 765 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:37,396 We're gonna be stars. 766 00:43:37,406 --> 00:43:42,117 So, ah, we were just about to leave and I saw him in a van 767 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,453 going the other way on Sunset and he stopped and he... 768 00:43:44,455 --> 00:43:47,664 and we stopped and we all stopped and then we started. 769 00:43:53,422 --> 00:43:56,335 ♪ There's something happening here ♪ 770 00:43:57,218 --> 00:44:00,928 ♪ What it is ain't exactly clear ♪ 771 00:44:02,098 --> 00:44:06,138 ♪ There's a man with a gun over there ♪ 772 00:44:06,894 --> 00:44:10,604 ♪ Telling me I got to beware ♪ 773 00:44:11,566 --> 00:44:14,934 ♪ I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound ♪ 774 00:44:14,944 --> 00:44:18,528 ♪ Everybody look what's going down ♪ 775 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,995 ♪ Oh, hello Mr. Soul, I dropped by to pick up a reason ♪ 776 00:44:36,215 --> 00:44:37,922 ♪ For the thought that I caught ♪ 777 00:44:37,925 --> 00:44:41,464 ♪ That my head is the event of the season ♪ 778 00:44:43,306 --> 00:44:45,389 ♪ I'll cop out to the change ♪ 779 00:44:45,391 --> 00:44:48,930 ♪ But a stranger is putting the tease on ♪ 780 00:44:55,276 --> 00:44:57,814 We were in Fort William, Ontario, 781 00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:00,528 and the owner of the club said these guys that we, 782 00:45:00,531 --> 00:45:03,274 you know, employ regularly are gonna come in 783 00:45:03,284 --> 00:45:08,279 and do a set in between you guys and the main act. 784 00:45:08,372 --> 00:45:11,831 It was Neil with a little trio called The Squires. 785 00:45:12,585 --> 00:45:14,827 And he was doing exactly what I wanted to do, 786 00:45:14,837 --> 00:45:17,875 which was to play folk songs on electric guitar. 787 00:45:17,882 --> 00:45:20,966 And we hung out together for a week. 788 00:45:20,968 --> 00:45:23,927 We talked and dreamt and fantasized 789 00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:25,887 about what we wanted to do. 790 00:45:25,890 --> 00:45:27,756 And we were inseparable. 791 00:45:28,017 --> 00:45:31,351 Buffalo Springfield, you know, that was a big one. 792 00:45:31,354 --> 00:45:35,348 I saw them back in '67 or '68. 793 00:45:35,358 --> 00:45:39,147 They came to Gainesville and played with The Beach Boys. 794 00:45:39,153 --> 00:45:41,361 You know, I never got over it! 795 00:45:41,364 --> 00:45:44,607 It was a really mind-blowing show, you know. 796 00:45:44,617 --> 00:45:48,236 It was like that's as good as it's supposed to be, you know. 797 00:45:48,246 --> 00:45:49,407 It was maybe better. 798 00:45:49,497 --> 00:45:51,705 Buffalo Springfield had like, you know, 799 00:45:51,707 --> 00:45:56,702 just like legions of the girls that, you know, I wanted, 800 00:45:58,130 --> 00:46:00,247 you know, were like just looking that way. 801 00:46:00,258 --> 00:46:02,466 And I thought, you know, this is... 802 00:46:02,468 --> 00:46:04,130 this must be a pretty good band. 803 00:46:04,136 --> 00:46:07,129 - We went to L.A. with Cream. - Yeah. 804 00:46:07,139 --> 00:46:09,222 And I hadn't been there more than about an hour 805 00:46:09,225 --> 00:46:11,387 and there was a knock at the door and then Stephen Stills 806 00:46:11,394 --> 00:46:13,477 was there with a guitar, you know. 807 00:46:13,479 --> 00:46:14,640 He just came in. 808 00:46:14,647 --> 00:46:16,354 I took his guitar out of the case and said 809 00:46:16,357 --> 00:46:17,939 "I hear you like this". 810 00:46:17,942 --> 00:46:20,309 - He played you "Bluebird"? - He played "Bluebird". 811 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,949 They'd end with this really long "Bluebird", like, you know, 812 00:46:34,959 --> 00:46:38,373 trading guitars for... 'til it just got really intense. 813 00:46:38,379 --> 00:46:39,540 It was great. 814 00:46:39,547 --> 00:46:43,666 The Byrds picked up the Buffalo Springfield for an opening act 815 00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:47,044 and it lasted until David Crosby saw us for the first time 816 00:46:47,054 --> 00:46:49,546 and he says "Get them out of there. They're too good." 817 00:46:49,557 --> 00:46:52,800 I remember thinking when we did it this is a bad idea. 818 00:46:53,477 --> 00:46:56,970 'Cause they're - they're really amazingly good. 819 00:46:56,981 --> 00:46:59,769 And we had hits, you know, so we could follow them, 820 00:46:59,775 --> 00:47:02,142 but they were awfully goddamn good. 821 00:47:02,153 --> 00:47:05,396 What was good about it is that we had a wealth of material. 822 00:47:05,406 --> 00:47:08,945 What was bad about it, it was in really divergent directions. 823 00:47:08,951 --> 00:47:11,284 The first song we had, "Clancy", 824 00:47:11,287 --> 00:47:14,621 with the Buffalo Springfield, we did the first take 825 00:47:14,623 --> 00:47:17,206 and the voice comes back from the booth and said, 826 00:47:17,209 --> 00:47:20,873 "It's too long. Play it faster." 827 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:21,880 Mm hmm. 828 00:47:21,881 --> 00:47:24,965 And that's when Neil and I looked at each other and said 829 00:47:24,967 --> 00:47:27,630 oh my God, we've gotta learn how to do this ourselves. 830 00:47:27,636 --> 00:47:31,971 There's Neil and I'm listening to something that he's doing. 831 00:47:31,974 --> 00:47:34,432 And that's the old original console. 832 00:47:34,435 --> 00:47:35,892 This was only 8-track. 833 00:47:35,895 --> 00:47:41,015 That's why it's an old Altec console with like big knobs. 834 00:47:41,484 --> 00:47:44,852 And right after that, I think we got an MCI or something 835 00:47:44,862 --> 00:47:49,402 and went to 16, which to me was all we ever needed. 836 00:47:49,408 --> 00:47:52,116 But this is like after we obviously had learned 837 00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,111 to make them ourselves. I see, no... 838 00:47:54,121 --> 00:47:57,114 That's probably the engineer that was hired for the session. 839 00:47:57,124 --> 00:47:58,285 He's gotta sit down now? 840 00:47:58,292 --> 00:48:00,955 Just go sit down there. 841 00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:12,801 ♪ Where are we going love? ♪ 842 00:48:13,933 --> 00:48:16,346 ♪ What are you feelin'? ♪ 843 00:48:17,812 --> 00:48:21,101 ♪ Now that I've caught my love ♪ 844 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:24,641 ♪ My head is reelin' ♪ 845 00:48:24,902 --> 00:48:29,317 ♪ With the questions of a thousand dreams ♪ 846 00:48:29,740 --> 00:48:33,609 ♪ What she's doing what she's seen ♪ 847 00:48:33,953 --> 00:48:37,412 ♪ Now, come on lover talk to me ♪ 848 00:48:37,415 --> 00:48:38,997 Should we talk about "Questions"? 849 00:48:38,999 --> 00:48:42,618 Well, to start with I had this what... you know those magical days 850 00:48:42,628 --> 00:48:44,870 where a lot of stuff happens? 851 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,749 I met Judy Collins and Eric Clapton on the same night. 852 00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:51,718 I went to the Whisky to see Eric. 853 00:48:52,012 --> 00:48:55,756 And so I'm flirting with Judy, trying to listen to Eric, 854 00:48:55,766 --> 00:48:59,305 who's blowing my mind, and so I'm overwhelmed. 855 00:48:59,311 --> 00:49:03,305 And then later on, Crosby had brought Eric to my little house 856 00:49:03,315 --> 00:49:04,931 in Laurel Canyon. 857 00:49:04,942 --> 00:49:09,937 And the changes to "Questions" were derived 858 00:49:10,573 --> 00:49:15,318 from a song of Judy's called "Since You've Asked". 859 00:49:15,327 --> 00:49:18,911 And I just took this first three chords 860 00:49:18,914 --> 00:49:22,703 and changed the cadence and everything. 861 00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:26,294 And then it evolved into the song. 862 00:49:26,297 --> 00:49:30,462 And I think I was playing it for him as I was trying to write it, 863 00:49:30,468 --> 00:49:34,337 and it later ended up on a Buffalo Springfield album. 864 00:49:34,346 --> 00:49:36,554 I haven't listened to that stuff for a long time, 865 00:49:36,557 --> 00:49:38,344 you know, the west coast music, at all and so... 866 00:49:38,350 --> 00:49:39,309 The original version you... 867 00:49:39,310 --> 00:49:41,552 No, I haven't heard the original version of "Questions" 868 00:49:41,562 --> 00:49:43,019 for a long, long, long time. 869 00:49:43,022 --> 00:49:44,809 And it really took me back. 870 00:49:45,316 --> 00:49:48,480 ♪ What was it made you run ♪ 871 00:49:49,278 --> 00:49:52,942 ♪ Tryin' to get around The questions... ♪ 872 00:49:52,948 --> 00:49:56,112 It took me back to a song that I had done, too, 873 00:49:56,118 --> 00:49:57,905 around the same time. 874 00:49:57,912 --> 00:50:03,124 Ah, a little later, actually, called "Let It Rain". 875 00:50:03,584 --> 00:50:06,873 And it was one of the first songs I'd ever written. 876 00:50:06,879 --> 00:50:10,418 And it... and there, you know, there's that kind of... 877 00:50:10,424 --> 00:50:12,290 I was influenced by it, I think. 878 00:50:12,301 --> 00:50:14,338 Yeah, I thought that we talked about having, hopefully, 879 00:50:14,345 --> 00:50:16,132 you play on that song with Stephen... 880 00:50:16,138 --> 00:50:17,299 Yeah. 881 00:50:17,306 --> 00:50:20,140 I wondered if that was gonna be... it's not gonna bother you 882 00:50:20,142 --> 00:50:22,805 that there's the... there's a similar feel or... 883 00:50:22,811 --> 00:50:24,552 Well I didn't... I must have copped it 884 00:50:24,563 --> 00:50:25,804 and not even known, you know. 885 00:50:25,814 --> 00:50:27,305 We can edit that part right out. 886 00:50:27,316 --> 00:50:28,807 Well, no, no! I think, no, 887 00:50:28,817 --> 00:50:30,308 that's very important for people to know. 888 00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:31,319 Well Stephen owes you one. 889 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,609 ♪ Come on lover, talk to me ♪ 890 00:51:07,064 --> 00:51:08,350 Sorry I got lost. 891 00:51:08,357 --> 00:51:10,019 Whatever happened in the solo section was great. 892 00:51:10,025 --> 00:51:11,482 - Cool. - With you and Eric together. 893 00:51:11,485 --> 00:51:14,228 Yeah. When Eric's playing in the top of the second solo, 894 00:51:14,238 --> 00:51:16,821 you know, he's playing in the higher register 895 00:51:16,824 --> 00:51:18,907 and I think anything in the lower register 896 00:51:18,909 --> 00:51:20,525 would be cool as a complement. 897 00:51:29,378 --> 00:51:32,371 ♪ Where are we going love? ♪ 898 00:51:33,173 --> 00:51:37,417 Eric was very meticulous about reminding me back then, 899 00:51:37,428 --> 00:51:41,422 he said You know, when you're doing this on stage, 900 00:51:41,432 --> 00:51:43,424 you must take turns. 901 00:51:46,437 --> 00:51:48,224 Much like schoolyard, you know. 902 00:51:48,689 --> 00:51:49,975 Gentlemanly. 903 00:52:07,124 --> 00:52:10,367 I had got an invite to go and watch 904 00:52:10,377 --> 00:52:14,667 Buffalo Springfield rehearsing in a house in Laurel Canyon. 905 00:52:14,673 --> 00:52:18,417 I had met this girl called Mary Hughes who was 906 00:52:18,427 --> 00:52:21,841 the kind of beauty queen of the Strip at that time. 907 00:52:21,847 --> 00:52:24,464 Jeff Beck was dating her and Keith Moon was dating her 908 00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:28,185 and I somehow managed to get into the equation. 909 00:52:28,187 --> 00:52:32,397 And I'm with this beautiful girl and there's joints being passed around 910 00:52:32,399 --> 00:52:33,685 and they start to play. 911 00:52:33,692 --> 00:52:36,810 And they played at a level where it wasn't too loud for everybody 912 00:52:36,820 --> 00:52:41,815 and they were rehearsing a set, I think, to play for a show. 913 00:52:42,451 --> 00:52:44,408 And then there's a knock at the door. 914 00:52:45,037 --> 00:52:48,576 And someone goes to answer and there's an immediate vibe 915 00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:51,575 in the room of that something's wrong, you know. 916 00:52:52,294 --> 00:52:56,038 And they open the door and there's a policeman standing there. 917 00:52:56,048 --> 00:52:58,756 And there's a squad car in the background. 918 00:52:58,759 --> 00:53:02,218 And he says, "You'll have to keep it down. 919 00:53:02,221 --> 00:53:05,385 We've had some complaints about the noise. 920 00:53:05,391 --> 00:53:07,098 What's that?" 921 00:53:07,101 --> 00:53:09,514 And next thing you know, they're in the room. 922 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,308 And I had nothing... I had just put down a joint. 923 00:53:12,314 --> 00:53:13,395 I had nothing in my hands, 924 00:53:13,399 --> 00:53:17,143 but, ah, I was handcuffed to somebody. 925 00:53:17,152 --> 00:53:22,147 So, we were all taken to L.A. County Jail. 926 00:53:22,324 --> 00:53:26,159 Meanwhile, it was like where's... what happened to Stephen? 927 00:53:26,161 --> 00:53:29,450 Stephen, when he realized who was at the front door... 928 00:53:29,456 --> 00:53:30,373 Yeah! 929 00:53:30,374 --> 00:53:34,118 Jumped out the bathroom window and ran off. 930 00:53:34,128 --> 00:53:36,120 There's a party that we heard about, too, your... 931 00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:38,213 was it your house that had a party in the Canyon? 932 00:53:38,215 --> 00:53:39,626 Is that the same party you mentioned? 933 00:53:39,633 --> 00:53:41,670 What? Disastrous. 934 00:53:41,677 --> 00:53:44,294 What I heard was you were there, Eric was there, 935 00:53:44,304 --> 00:53:46,466 Neil was there, and so were the police. 936 00:53:46,473 --> 00:53:48,305 - I'd say yeah! - That sound right? 937 00:53:48,308 --> 00:53:51,472 Neil and I were sitting in a bedroom in the back 938 00:53:51,478 --> 00:53:53,310 and we here this. 939 00:53:53,313 --> 00:53:56,977 And I said go check that. 940 00:53:56,984 --> 00:53:59,476 I'm gonna go next door and call lawyers! 941 00:53:59,486 --> 00:54:01,398 And I book it out the back. 942 00:54:01,405 --> 00:54:04,443 So, of course, that blew up into ruining my reputation. 943 00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:06,567 Oh, he was the guy that booked, you know. 944 00:54:06,577 --> 00:54:10,912 And, ah, and I went next door and... 945 00:54:10,914 --> 00:54:12,030 totally reprehensible. 946 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,623 I should have manned up and... and it wasn't. 947 00:54:14,626 --> 00:54:18,415 I've never lived that down and felt awful about it ever since. 948 00:54:18,422 --> 00:54:21,039 Neil got really aggressive and was out the door 949 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:23,336 and he was gonna go chase the police away. 950 00:54:23,343 --> 00:54:27,087 'Cause he's Canadian and I guess in Canada you can do that... 951 00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:32,763 It was really exciting to get to Los Angeles 952 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:34,557 coming from Gainesville, Florida. 953 00:54:34,563 --> 00:54:37,476 And in my mind, it was the weather and the girls 954 00:54:37,483 --> 00:54:41,898 and the surfing and the cars and it was a young mentality. 955 00:54:51,455 --> 00:54:56,450 This is kind of where people that really were big dreamers 956 00:54:56,585 --> 00:55:00,124 went to because that's kind of allowed here. 957 00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:02,463 There are people that believe that 958 00:55:02,466 --> 00:55:06,927 it might be possible to do something that's not ordinary. 959 00:55:06,929 --> 00:55:10,138 The first thing I remember going down Sunset Boulevard 960 00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:12,803 looking out the car at the all the record companies, you know. 961 00:55:12,810 --> 00:55:17,805 In those days it was MGM, you know, Capitol, you know, 962 00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:20,523 all these labels that aren't there anymore. 963 00:55:20,526 --> 00:55:24,987 It was true. I got out there and man, these recording studios 964 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:29,983 are all spotless and engineers are really remarkably good. 965 00:55:30,702 --> 00:55:33,991 This is where Phil Spector and Brian Wilson were working. 966 00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:36,865 People started showing up here trying to work with the engineers 967 00:55:36,875 --> 00:55:39,162 they worked with and the studios that they worked in 968 00:55:39,169 --> 00:55:42,128 to make things sound... fat. 969 00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:44,087 In America it's very, very different. 970 00:55:44,091 --> 00:55:46,128 Abbey Road was the only place that, basically, 971 00:55:46,134 --> 00:55:47,466 we ever recorded, right. 972 00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:51,338 There it was almost like, ah, almost like the BBC. 973 00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:54,056 All the engineers had these white overalls on. 974 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:55,766 And, you know, if you wanted to bring the bass up 975 00:55:55,769 --> 00:55:58,477 you had to go to the producer who then went to the engineer 976 00:55:58,480 --> 00:55:59,891 who then brought the bass up. 977 00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:02,766 You were secondary somehow to these people in white coats 978 00:56:02,776 --> 00:56:05,143 that were really making the music. 979 00:56:05,153 --> 00:56:07,486 They had all these like professors guys. 980 00:56:07,489 --> 00:56:09,446 You know, scientists upstairs. 981 00:56:09,449 --> 00:56:11,065 We were in the studio. 982 00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:12,783 It's like an old 40s movie. 983 00:56:12,786 --> 00:56:14,823 Oh, what's that you want? You want to play? 984 00:56:14,830 --> 00:56:17,163 Mm, let me see what I can do. 985 00:56:17,165 --> 00:56:21,000 Very different here. Very much looser, much better. 986 00:56:21,253 --> 00:56:24,041 "Good Vibrations" was recorded in four studios, 987 00:56:24,047 --> 00:56:25,163 four different studios. 988 00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:26,789 Well, each studio is different, you know? 989 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,543 Like you can't... not any one studio's the same. 990 00:56:29,553 --> 00:56:32,011 Western was good for the, ah, instrumentation, 991 00:56:32,014 --> 00:56:34,051 like the bass, the drums, guitars. 992 00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:36,299 Sunset Sound, I liked their tech piano. 993 00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:38,973 I used that on the bridge to "Good Vibrations." 994 00:56:38,979 --> 00:56:40,971 Gold Star was good for just the echo. 995 00:56:40,981 --> 00:56:42,392 The echo of Gold Star was good. 996 00:56:42,399 --> 00:56:44,891 And RCA Victor, that's where we did the vocal. 997 00:56:44,902 --> 00:56:46,859 There were so many studios. 998 00:56:46,862 --> 00:56:50,981 They had that great RCA studio on Sunset and Ivar. 999 00:56:50,991 --> 00:56:52,903 It was a fantastic place. 1000 00:56:52,910 --> 00:56:54,492 Columbia Studios. 1001 00:56:54,494 --> 00:56:56,611 And Western, you know, 1002 00:56:56,622 --> 00:56:59,410 United Western at times it was called. 1003 00:56:59,416 --> 00:57:00,623 It's still there. 1004 00:57:01,627 --> 00:57:03,289 Have you... have you recorded here? 1005 00:57:03,295 --> 00:57:04,957 No, I've never been here. 1006 00:57:06,256 --> 00:57:08,919 Yeah, this is where Brian Wilson, Mamas & the Papas, 1007 00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:10,758 and Buffalo Springfield recorded. 1008 00:57:10,761 --> 00:57:11,877 Yeah? 1009 00:57:12,638 --> 00:57:14,800 As well as you can see the evolution of Don Was. 1010 00:57:14,806 --> 00:57:16,297 Yeah, there he is! 1011 00:57:16,308 --> 00:57:18,095 And let's go back further. 1012 00:57:18,101 --> 00:57:19,592 And there's some more of him over there. 1013 00:57:19,603 --> 00:57:21,060 Yeah, you can here see this... 1014 00:57:21,063 --> 00:57:22,224 There's some more him down there - 1015 00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:23,766 ...before he really figured it out. 1016 00:57:26,652 --> 00:57:28,063 What about these guys? 1017 00:57:28,278 --> 00:57:29,814 Mm, not really familiar. 1018 00:57:33,492 --> 00:57:34,824 - That's okay. - It's okay. 1019 00:57:34,826 --> 00:57:37,660 - This is all right here, huh? - Yeah. It's cool. 1020 00:57:37,663 --> 00:57:39,370 Yeah, I want to record a song by The Association. 1021 00:57:39,373 --> 00:57:40,409 Yeah! 1022 00:57:40,415 --> 00:57:42,031 They're not really marked who's doing what, 1023 00:57:42,042 --> 00:57:43,578 but that doesn't really matter. 1024 00:57:49,341 --> 00:57:53,802 ♪ You ask me if there'll come a time ♪ 1025 00:57:53,804 --> 00:57:57,297 ♪ When I'll grow tired of you ♪ 1026 00:57:58,392 --> 00:58:00,679 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1027 00:58:03,355 --> 00:58:05,347 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1028 00:58:12,030 --> 00:58:13,817 Let's do it. 1029 00:58:26,003 --> 00:58:30,998 ♪ Well, you ask me if there'll come a time ♪ 1030 00:58:31,174 --> 00:58:34,758 ♪ When I'll grow tired of you ♪ 1031 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,967 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1032 00:58:41,977 --> 00:58:44,264 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1033 00:58:47,482 --> 00:58:52,193 ♪ You wonder if this heart of mine ♪ 1034 00:58:52,654 --> 00:58:56,147 ♪ Will lose its desire for you ♪ 1035 00:58:57,993 --> 00:59:00,076 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1036 00:59:03,415 --> 00:59:05,577 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1037 00:59:08,712 --> 00:59:12,456 ♪ Now, how can you think love will end ♪ 1038 00:59:12,466 --> 00:59:16,585 ♪ When I've asked you to spend your whole life ♪ 1039 00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:22,056 ♪ With me ♪ 1040 00:59:27,481 --> 00:59:31,976 ♪ Buh-buh buh, Buh-buh ♪ 1041 00:59:32,736 --> 00:59:36,104 ♪ Buh-buh-buh ♪ 1042 00:59:38,116 --> 00:59:40,324 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1043 00:59:43,413 --> 00:59:45,655 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1044 00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:52,329 ♪ What makes you think love will end ♪ 1045 00:59:52,339 --> 00:59:56,379 ♪ When I've asked you to spend your whole life ♪ 1046 01:00:00,097 --> 01:00:01,759 ♪ With me ♪ 1047 01:00:02,349 --> 01:00:05,763 ♪ With me ♪ 1048 01:00:07,395 --> 01:00:11,810 ♪ Buh-buh, buh-buh, Buh-buh ♪ 1049 01:00:12,776 --> 01:00:15,814 ♪ Buh-buh, buh-buh ♪ 1050 01:00:18,073 --> 01:00:20,190 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1051 01:00:23,495 --> 01:00:25,657 ♪ Never my love ♪ 1052 01:00:34,881 --> 01:00:36,838 I was driving down Sunset and I turned on 1053 01:00:36,842 --> 01:00:39,129 one of those roads that leads up into the hills 1054 01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:41,344 and I stopped at this place that overlooks the whole city. 1055 01:00:41,346 --> 01:00:42,928 It was fantastic. 1056 01:00:42,931 --> 01:00:45,093 I suddenly felt exhilarated there. 1057 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:48,134 I was really moved by the geometry of the place, 1058 01:00:48,145 --> 01:00:49,306 its harmony. 1059 01:00:50,438 --> 01:00:52,145 It's a fabulous city. 1060 01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,312 To think some people claim it's an ugly city 1061 01:00:55,318 --> 01:00:57,901 when it's really pure poetry, it just kills me. 1062 01:00:58,363 --> 01:01:02,152 I wanted to build something right then, create something. 1063 01:01:07,956 --> 01:01:09,163 I used to love L.A. 1064 01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:11,249 when I was first there in the early 60s. 1065 01:01:11,251 --> 01:01:14,039 You can drive around and smell the orange blossoms, you know. 1066 01:01:14,045 --> 01:01:15,581 It was really cool. 1067 01:01:16,006 --> 01:01:17,838 We moved into Laurel Canyon 1068 01:01:17,841 --> 01:01:19,582 and we just loved the scene there. 1069 01:01:19,593 --> 01:01:21,630 And a lot of people, a lot of folk singers would come around 1070 01:01:21,636 --> 01:01:24,174 and play and we'd, you know, get high and stuff. 1071 01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:25,672 It was fan... a fun time. 1072 01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:28,720 Just driving up those canyons and people pointing out houses 1073 01:01:28,727 --> 01:01:30,343 of famous people that lived there, 1074 01:01:30,353 --> 01:01:33,016 Houdini and Tom Mix and Zappa 1075 01:01:33,023 --> 01:01:35,481 and, you know, it was a fabulous time. 1076 01:01:42,574 --> 01:01:46,158 ♪ I need somebody groovy ♪ 1077 01:01:46,494 --> 01:01:50,454 ♪ Someone who's able to move me, yeah ♪ 1078 01:01:51,625 --> 01:01:54,493 Any time you drove by the Canyon Store 1079 01:01:54,502 --> 01:01:56,243 you saw some pop hero. 1080 01:01:57,005 --> 01:02:00,214 There's David Crosby, you know! 1081 01:02:00,217 --> 01:02:02,504 There were people from everywhere in Laurel Canyon. 1082 01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:04,342 In '66 it was teeming. 1083 01:02:04,346 --> 01:02:05,678 And you might see anybody. 1084 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,218 Like I one time saw Crosby blow through there 1085 01:02:08,225 --> 01:02:09,932 and scoop up these two girls. 1086 01:02:09,935 --> 01:02:11,892 And he was wearing a cape, by the way. 1087 01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:16,142 Disappeared, you know, into the night! 1088 01:02:16,149 --> 01:02:18,687 Frank Zappa lived across the street. 1089 01:02:18,693 --> 01:02:20,901 And he once stood in the middle of the street 1090 01:02:20,904 --> 01:02:24,113 reading me the lyrics of "Who Are The Brain Police", 1091 01:02:24,115 --> 01:02:26,983 like Alan Ginsberg. It was... 1092 01:02:27,661 --> 01:02:29,903 And I kept going whoa! Whoa! Whoa! 1093 01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:35,955 And then I heard Frank Zappa do an orchestration 1094 01:02:35,961 --> 01:02:38,704 on a track without the yelling over it. 1095 01:02:38,964 --> 01:02:42,002 And it was... it was otherworldly. 1096 01:02:42,008 --> 01:02:44,500 It was really... really incredible. 1097 01:02:44,511 --> 01:02:47,094 There's not the kind of scene there is in New York 1098 01:02:47,097 --> 01:02:49,510 and the east coast cities where there's a club you go to. 1099 01:02:49,516 --> 01:02:52,509 We would go over to people's houses 1100 01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:55,683 and yak it up for hours and hours! 1101 01:02:55,689 --> 01:02:57,271 And play music, you know. 1102 01:02:57,274 --> 01:02:59,106 All kinds of music all the time. 1103 01:03:11,454 --> 01:03:13,491 I wrote a song with Brian Wilson one time. 1104 01:03:13,498 --> 01:03:14,989 Brian came over to my house. 1105 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,663 I said wow. He had never come over before. 1106 01:03:17,669 --> 01:03:20,412 And he came up and he said, "You got any speed?" 1107 01:03:20,422 --> 01:03:22,630 And I said, "I think so." I went to the medicine cabinet 1108 01:03:22,632 --> 01:03:25,090 and I gave him two Biphetamine 20s. 1109 01:03:25,093 --> 01:03:26,800 He... he wanted two. 1110 01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:29,716 And this is about, mm, 4:00 in the afternoon. 1111 01:03:29,723 --> 01:03:31,589 We started playing a song. It was like a... 1112 01:03:33,476 --> 01:03:35,559 Okay, we're playing that and we're playing that and playing that. 1113 01:03:35,562 --> 01:03:38,646 And it finally gets dark and I go to bed. 1114 01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,106 And, you know, seven, eight hours later I got up 1115 01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:43,817 and Brian is still at the piano going... 1116 01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:45,982 - Still playing the same figure? - Yeah, same song, yeah! 1117 01:03:45,989 --> 01:03:47,821 - Really fast. - It's only got one verse. 1118 01:03:47,824 --> 01:03:50,362 And they finally released it, called it "Ding Dang". 1119 01:03:50,368 --> 01:03:52,451 And whenever I see Brian these days he points at me 1120 01:03:52,454 --> 01:03:53,570 and goes "Ding dang!" 1121 01:03:54,581 --> 01:03:56,994 There's a lot of strange stuff happening here. 1122 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,836 George and I just drove up to wherever Micky Dolenz lived 1123 01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:05,832 and Stephen Stills was there and several other people. 1124 01:04:06,509 --> 01:04:09,092 And they were all being hippies in the nude. 1125 01:04:09,095 --> 01:04:11,007 And when they saw it was George and I driving 1126 01:04:11,014 --> 01:04:13,176 they all run in and got dressed! 1127 01:04:13,183 --> 01:04:16,347 And we were going well, that's not very hippie. 1128 01:04:16,353 --> 01:04:18,686 You just felt like you could do anything, you know. 1129 01:04:18,688 --> 01:04:22,477 You just felt like there was nothing stopping you, 1130 01:04:22,484 --> 01:04:25,192 is the way that... and Hollywood was right there 1131 01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:28,233 and the music industry, or a good part of it. 1132 01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:30,856 And Sunset Boulevard, you know. 1133 01:04:31,659 --> 01:04:34,493 It just... it reeked of what happened in the 40s 1134 01:04:34,496 --> 01:04:39,491 with the movie stars and that lifestyle. 1135 01:04:39,793 --> 01:04:44,504 And, in a sense, we emulated it in a different way. 1136 01:04:44,839 --> 01:04:47,502 There's a certain thing about freedom of spirit, 1137 01:04:47,509 --> 01:04:50,502 a certain thing about lack of rules, 1138 01:04:50,512 --> 01:04:54,096 lack of previous stuff holding you in place. 1139 01:04:54,808 --> 01:04:57,175 Certain people wound up, you know, in certain places 1140 01:04:57,185 --> 01:04:59,427 and chemistries happened 1141 01:04:59,437 --> 01:05:02,396 and they inspired other chemistries around them. 1142 01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,938 I kind of compare it with Vienna at the turn of the century 1143 01:05:05,944 --> 01:05:09,187 when all those architects and painters and furniture builders 1144 01:05:09,197 --> 01:05:10,904 would drink massive amounts of coffee, 1145 01:05:10,907 --> 01:05:13,365 and what are you doing and what are you working on now? 1146 01:05:13,368 --> 01:05:16,031 Paris in the 30s with Gertrude Stein and all, 1147 01:05:16,037 --> 01:05:18,029 you know, all those artists coming together. 1148 01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:22,204 But I think this era, in time, is gonna be treated exactly the same way 1149 01:05:22,210 --> 01:05:24,623 in a couple of hundred years by the historians. 1150 01:05:26,047 --> 01:05:29,006 The power of music is undeniable. 1151 01:05:29,717 --> 01:05:32,300 I truly believe it can change the world. 1152 01:05:32,303 --> 01:05:33,339 I do. 1153 01:05:33,888 --> 01:05:35,470 Small ways, but... 1154 01:05:39,018 --> 01:05:40,475 I'm not letting this go! 1155 01:06:01,916 --> 01:06:04,659 ♪ I think I'm goin' back ♪ 1156 01:06:05,462 --> 01:06:09,206 ♪ To the things I learned so well ♪ 1157 01:06:09,215 --> 01:06:11,002 ♪ In my youth ♪ 1158 01:06:13,845 --> 01:06:16,588 ♪ I think I'm returning to ♪ 1159 01:06:17,307 --> 01:06:21,176 ♪ Those days when I was young enough ♪ 1160 01:06:21,186 --> 01:06:23,178 ♪ To know the truth ♪ 1161 01:06:25,356 --> 01:06:27,848 ♪ Now there are no games ♪ 1162 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:31,648 ♪ To only pass the time ♪ 1163 01:06:33,031 --> 01:06:35,694 ♪ No more electric trains ♪ 1164 01:06:36,951 --> 01:06:39,785 ♪ No more trees to climb ♪ 1165 01:06:41,664 --> 01:06:45,999 ♪ But thinking young and growing older ♪ 1166 01:06:46,002 --> 01:06:47,664 ♪ Is no sin ♪ 1167 01:06:49,797 --> 01:06:54,667 ♪ And I can play the game of life to win ♪ 1168 01:06:57,847 --> 01:07:00,715 ♪ I can recall the time ♪ 1169 01:07:01,434 --> 01:07:07,021 ♪ When I wasn't afraid to reach out to a friend ♪ 1170 01:07:09,734 --> 01:07:12,397 ♪ Now I think I've got ♪ 1171 01:07:13,571 --> 01:07:18,942 ♪ A lot more than just my toys to lend ♪ 1172 01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:23,112 ♪ Now there's more to do ♪ 1173 01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:27,203 ♪ Than watch my sailboat glide ♪ 1174 01:07:28,461 --> 01:07:32,455 ♪ And every day can be ♪ 1175 01:07:32,465 --> 01:07:35,333 ♪ A magic carpet ride ♪ 1176 01:07:37,220 --> 01:07:40,384 ♪ A little bit of courage ♪ 1177 01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:43,094 ♪ Is all we lack ♪ 1178 01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:48,179 ♪ So catch me if you can ♪ 1179 01:07:48,856 --> 01:07:51,018 ♪ I'm goin' back ♪ 1180 01:07:54,737 --> 01:07:59,823 ♪ La la la la-la la la la, la-la la la ♪ 1181 01:08:02,745 --> 01:08:07,991 ♪ La la la, la-la la la la, la-la la la ♪ 1182 01:08:18,136 --> 01:08:22,631 ♪ La la la, la-la la la la, la-la la la ♪ 1183 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,506 You know, the politics in bands 1184 01:08:24,517 --> 01:08:25,928 it gets pretty heavy sometimes, 1185 01:08:25,935 --> 01:08:28,769 especially when one guy's getting more songs on the record 1186 01:08:28,771 --> 01:08:30,137 than somebody else. 1187 01:08:30,148 --> 01:08:32,606 And David had written this song about a ménage à trios. 1188 01:08:33,651 --> 01:08:38,612 ♪ What can we do now that we both love you ♪ 1189 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,318 ♪ I love you too ♪ 1190 01:08:45,663 --> 01:08:48,406 ♪ And I don't really see ♪ 1191 01:08:48,416 --> 01:08:52,877 ♪ Why can't we go on as three ♪ 1192 01:08:53,463 --> 01:08:54,704 I didn't think it was appropriate 1193 01:08:54,714 --> 01:08:56,000 for what we were doing, 1194 01:08:56,007 --> 01:08:58,249 but he thought it was cool and hip and everything. 1195 01:08:58,259 --> 01:09:01,718 And we decided to do a Goffin and King song 1196 01:09:01,721 --> 01:09:04,964 called "Going Back" and he was just up in arms about that. 1197 01:09:05,350 --> 01:09:06,807 It just wasn't, you know, 1198 01:09:06,809 --> 01:09:09,347 something that they thought was in good taste, you know. 1199 01:09:09,354 --> 01:09:12,142 It was risqué, it was out on the edge, you know. 1200 01:09:12,148 --> 01:09:13,889 To me it's not out on the edge at all. 1201 01:09:13,900 --> 01:09:15,232 It's just a love song. 1202 01:09:15,234 --> 01:09:16,600 It has happened. 1203 01:09:16,903 --> 01:09:19,020 I mean otherwise the French wouldn't have a name for it! 1204 01:09:19,030 --> 01:09:21,067 It wasn't so much David writing the song. 1205 01:09:21,074 --> 01:09:24,818 It was the realization that he actually lived it, many times. 1206 01:09:24,827 --> 01:09:26,693 That was what pissed me off. 1207 01:09:26,704 --> 01:09:28,821 He knows it was a naughty song to write. 1208 01:09:28,831 --> 01:09:31,369 You gotta remember, Crosby was like Brando. 1209 01:09:31,376 --> 01:09:32,833 He had no boundaries. 1210 01:09:32,835 --> 01:09:35,418 Carole and Gerry had moved from New York to L.A. 1211 01:09:35,421 --> 01:09:37,504 and they had starting writing songs that... 1212 01:09:37,507 --> 01:09:40,170 not the kind of girl band stuff they'd been doing. 1213 01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:43,715 But more of like a hipper style. 1214 01:09:43,721 --> 01:09:47,010 And David was... he was, um, insufferable. 1215 01:09:47,016 --> 01:09:48,382 He was tough to live with. 1216 01:09:48,393 --> 01:09:50,055 He didn't get his cool song on 1217 01:09:50,061 --> 01:09:53,520 and we did this kind of really commercial song instead. 1218 01:09:53,523 --> 01:09:55,185 So, he was angry with that. 1219 01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:57,604 The breaking point really was when Chris Hillman 1220 01:09:57,610 --> 01:10:00,728 got mad at David and said we gotta get rid of him. 1221 01:10:00,738 --> 01:10:02,570 The fun thing is that everybody thinks that 1222 01:10:02,573 --> 01:10:04,280 that's why they threw me out of The Byrds. 1223 01:10:04,283 --> 01:10:05,444 Ladies and gentlemen, 1224 01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:09,908 They threw me out of The Byrds 'cause I was an asshole. 1225 01:10:09,914 --> 01:10:11,450 He was saying things like you guys are not 1226 01:10:11,457 --> 01:10:13,824 good enough musicians to be playing with me. 1227 01:10:13,835 --> 01:10:16,202 I went oh, really? 1228 01:10:16,212 --> 01:10:17,999 - That's not cool, you know! - Yeah. 1229 01:10:18,005 --> 01:10:19,667 So, we didn't like that attitude very much. 1230 01:10:19,674 --> 01:10:21,666 You know, I say it's because I was an asshole. 1231 01:10:21,676 --> 01:10:23,212 It wasn't that simple, of course. 1232 01:10:23,219 --> 01:10:24,881 If you give kids millions of dollars, you know, 1233 01:10:24,887 --> 01:10:26,003 they'll screw up. 1234 01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:27,845 We held it together for a pretty long time. 1235 01:10:27,849 --> 01:10:30,387 Bands tend to devolve. 1236 01:10:30,393 --> 01:10:32,476 They evolve up the point where they're exciting 1237 01:10:32,478 --> 01:10:34,140 and they're new and they're good, 1238 01:10:34,147 --> 01:10:36,355 and then after that they work their way slowly downhill 1239 01:10:36,357 --> 01:10:38,895 until it's turn on the smoke machine and play your hits. 1240 01:10:38,901 --> 01:10:40,688 And that's not good enough for me. 1241 01:10:41,237 --> 01:10:42,569 It's just not. 1242 01:10:42,822 --> 01:10:44,279 I've done it. 1243 01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:46,148 You know, 'cause it was the path of least resistance 1244 01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,867 and it made me lots of money and all that good stuff. 1245 01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:50,202 It's not good enough. 1246 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,538 ♪ Now there's more to do ♪ 1247 01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:57,622 ♪ Than watch my sailboat glide ♪ 1248 01:10:58,838 --> 01:11:01,751 ♪ And every day can be ♪ 1249 01:11:02,842 --> 01:11:05,550 ♪ A magic carpet ride ♪ 1250 01:11:07,597 --> 01:11:10,681 ♪ A little bit of courage ♪ 1251 01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:13,387 ♪ Is all we lack ♪ 1252 01:11:15,438 --> 01:11:19,182 ♪ So catch me if you can ♪ 1253 01:11:19,192 --> 01:11:21,650 ♪ I'm goin' back ♪ 1254 01:11:23,362 --> 01:11:28,528 ♪ La la la, la-la la la la, la-la la la La la la, la-la ♪ 1255 01:11:31,162 --> 01:11:34,530 ♪ La la la, la-la ♪ 1256 01:11:42,507 --> 01:11:44,715 I feel like we hear these songs, 1257 01:11:44,717 --> 01:11:46,925 we grew up with these songs, and then we take them for granted 1258 01:11:46,928 --> 01:11:49,341 and I feel like there's this thing happening tonight 1259 01:11:49,347 --> 01:11:51,464 and in your hands, and in this band's hands, 1260 01:11:51,474 --> 01:11:53,181 where you're kind of bringing them back to life 1261 01:11:53,184 --> 01:11:54,470 and reminding us of the brilliance. 1262 01:11:54,477 --> 01:11:55,843 Can you talk a little about that? 1263 01:11:55,853 --> 01:12:00,723 It really started with, ah, seeing this film, 1264 01:12:00,733 --> 01:12:02,315 which was "Model Shop". 1265 01:12:02,318 --> 01:12:05,561 And it was a movie in '67 done by Jacques Demy. 1266 01:12:05,571 --> 01:12:09,565 That movie looked like the sound of The Beach Boys 1267 01:12:09,575 --> 01:12:11,111 and The Mamas & Papas. 1268 01:12:11,118 --> 01:12:15,203 And so, it sent us on an exploration back to that time 1269 01:12:15,206 --> 01:12:18,495 and to look at the records that, you know, made, ah, 1270 01:12:18,501 --> 01:12:21,369 made that age of innocence of southern California writing 1271 01:12:21,379 --> 01:12:24,838 from '65 to '67, you know, come alive. 1272 01:12:25,299 --> 01:12:26,835 Most of the groups that we're talking about, 1273 01:12:26,843 --> 01:12:29,506 that we've picked from, I think they were... 1274 01:12:29,512 --> 01:12:32,220 those are the ones that are the premier southern California rock bands 1275 01:12:32,223 --> 01:12:34,806 from that year at that time. 1276 01:12:37,687 --> 01:12:41,522 Something happened there that engendered 1277 01:12:41,524 --> 01:12:45,017 a whole lot of music, a whole lot of 1278 01:12:45,027 --> 01:12:49,021 new ways of approaching the music possible. 1279 01:12:49,991 --> 01:12:51,857 Whatever it was, it was a good thing. 1280 01:12:52,285 --> 01:12:55,369 I don't think you have to put too much effort into it, really. 1281 01:12:55,371 --> 01:12:57,283 I think they're classics. They're timeless. 1282 01:12:57,290 --> 01:13:01,204 And a good song will sound as good then as it'll sound today. 1283 01:13:01,210 --> 01:13:04,078 You don't have to do much. We didn't reinvent them at all. 1284 01:13:04,088 --> 01:13:05,954 We actually stayed pretty true to what they sounded like. 1285 01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:08,298 And oddly enough, that sound is pretty relevant. 1286 01:13:08,301 --> 01:13:09,963 It's pretty current right now. 1287 01:13:11,637 --> 01:13:13,094 I think, you know, people have been trying 1288 01:13:13,097 --> 01:13:14,713 to put salt on its tail for a long time, 1289 01:13:14,724 --> 01:13:17,216 trying to figure out why it happened there 1290 01:13:17,226 --> 01:13:19,013 and how it happened there. 1291 01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:23,105 And I... you can guess 1292 01:13:23,107 --> 01:13:24,814 and you can point out certain factors 1293 01:13:24,817 --> 01:13:26,900 that you think would have been influencing it. 1294 01:13:27,111 --> 01:13:30,650 But I don't know if we'll ever get it named. 1295 01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:32,776 It did happen. 1296 01:13:33,075 --> 01:13:36,910 And it still is a place where people come to make music. 1297 01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:43,955 Maybe it started with this optimism of The Beatles 1298 01:13:43,961 --> 01:13:48,046 to Ed Sullivan was the beginning of '64, 1299 01:13:48,049 --> 01:13:52,510 so that is the perfect kickoff where there's this fad, right? 1300 01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,009 People want to be their own Beatles. 1301 01:13:56,349 --> 01:14:00,184 And then so that lasts for two, two and a half years. 1302 01:14:00,186 --> 01:14:01,722 Well, it probably changed a lot when 1303 01:14:01,729 --> 01:14:04,437 everybody started writing more complex, longer songs, 1304 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:07,057 which is kind of up until Pet Sounds and Expecting to Fly. 1305 01:14:07,068 --> 01:14:09,151 Songs were three and a half minutes and they could do... 1306 01:14:09,153 --> 01:14:11,190 they realized they could do a lot more. 1307 01:14:11,197 --> 01:14:13,655 Don't you feel like some of these songs 1308 01:14:13,658 --> 01:14:17,277 structurally, like word-wise and sound-wise, 1309 01:14:17,286 --> 01:14:20,950 they're almost like more related to dreams? 1310 01:14:20,957 --> 01:14:23,700 Because they feel like music before was more written 1311 01:14:23,709 --> 01:14:26,452 for like the conscious mind and this seems to be like more 1312 01:14:26,462 --> 01:14:29,500 coming in touch with the subconscious, 1313 01:14:29,507 --> 01:14:32,045 which is on the way to psychedelia probably, 1314 01:14:32,051 --> 01:14:33,838 just that in-between? 1315 01:14:33,844 --> 01:14:35,631 Well I think we talked about "Expecting To Fly" 1316 01:14:35,638 --> 01:14:38,255 and maybe that's the end of it? 1317 01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:41,216 You know? 1318 01:14:41,227 --> 01:14:43,719 I'm not sure I would be the one to say why it's the end of it, 1319 01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:45,812 but that's very different than everything else we listened to 1320 01:14:45,815 --> 01:14:48,148 and I wouldn't say more ambitious, 1321 01:14:48,150 --> 01:14:51,689 but it seemed like something cracked open maybe right then. 1322 01:14:53,864 --> 01:14:58,859 That era begins with this collective idea of these 1323 01:14:59,412 --> 01:15:01,779 musicians and this creative force coming together 1324 01:15:01,789 --> 01:15:02,950 to make something bigger. 1325 01:15:02,957 --> 01:15:06,951 And then the era ends when it becomes more 1326 01:15:06,961 --> 01:15:08,623 about the individual, 1327 01:15:08,629 --> 01:15:12,919 yeah, searching their own life and their own path 1328 01:15:12,925 --> 01:15:17,386 and, ah, yeah, you get all these groups breaking up. 1329 01:15:17,888 --> 01:15:21,006 When you have strong minded people 1330 01:15:21,017 --> 01:15:24,681 and they're having these visions of a new type of art 1331 01:15:24,687 --> 01:15:28,522 and they start to compromise, then it just doesn't last maybe. 1332 01:15:30,151 --> 01:15:32,234 What do you remember about "Expecting To Fly"? 1333 01:15:32,236 --> 01:15:33,317 'Cause we recorded that for the record. 1334 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:34,606 What do you remember about recording that song? 1335 01:15:34,613 --> 01:15:36,696 Actually, I wasn't allowed on those sessions. 1336 01:15:36,699 --> 01:15:37,615 You're not on that at all? 1337 01:15:37,616 --> 01:15:41,075 No, that's when Neil had decided to take flight. 1338 01:15:41,078 --> 01:15:43,320 - That song was a warning. - Was it? 1339 01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:45,697 - Yes, I'm leaving. - Really? 1340 01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:48,200 And I'm going to wait until it's absolutely 1341 01:15:48,210 --> 01:15:51,203 critically important to the survival of the band, 1342 01:15:51,213 --> 01:15:54,957 like the night before Johnny Carson booked the first rock band. 1343 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,753 Neil quit the day before we we're getting on the plane. 1344 01:16:30,503 --> 01:16:35,498 ♪ There you stood on the edge of your feather ♪ 1345 01:16:36,884 --> 01:16:40,673 ♪ Expecting to fly ♪ 1346 01:16:42,431 --> 01:16:47,426 ♪ While I laughed and I wondered whether ♪ 1347 01:16:48,687 --> 01:16:52,556 ♪ I could wave goodbye ♪ 1348 01:16:54,944 --> 01:16:59,188 ♪ Knowin' that you'd gone ♪ 1349 01:17:03,869 --> 01:17:08,830 ♪ By the summer it was healing ♪ 1350 01:17:10,084 --> 01:17:13,043 ♪ And we had said goodbye ♪ 1351 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,716 ♪ All the years we'd spent with feeling ♪ 1352 01:17:21,178 --> 01:17:23,921 ♪ Ended with a cry ♪ 1353 01:17:25,349 --> 01:17:28,683 ♪ Babe ♪ 1354 01:17:29,562 --> 01:17:32,225 ♪ Ended with a cry ♪ 1355 01:17:33,524 --> 01:17:36,517 ♪ Babe ♪ 1356 01:17:37,736 --> 01:17:40,479 ♪ Ended with a cry ♪ 1357 01:17:57,047 --> 01:18:02,634 ♪ I tried so hard to stand as I stumbled ♪ 1358 01:18:03,888 --> 01:18:07,802 ♪ And fell to the ground ♪ 1359 01:18:08,893 --> 01:18:11,886 ♪ So hard to laugh ♪ 1360 01:18:11,896 --> 01:18:14,388 ♪ As I fumbled ♪ 1361 01:18:15,524 --> 01:18:20,019 ♪ And reached for the love I found ♪ 1362 01:18:21,697 --> 01:18:25,691 ♪ Knowin' it was gone ♪ 1363 01:18:30,581 --> 01:18:35,576 ♪ If I never lived without you ♪ 1364 01:18:37,087 --> 01:18:40,046 ♪ Now you know I'd die ♪ 1365 01:18:41,592 --> 01:18:46,462 ♪ If I never said I loved you ♪ 1366 01:18:47,848 --> 01:18:50,807 ♪ Well now you know I'd try ♪ 1367 01:18:52,186 --> 01:18:55,304 ♪ Babe ♪ 1368 01:18:56,232 --> 01:18:58,849 ♪ Now you know I'd try ♪ 1369 01:19:00,486 --> 01:19:03,479 ♪ Babe ♪ 1370 01:19:04,615 --> 01:19:07,198 ♪ Now you know I'd try ♪ 1371 01:19:08,661 --> 01:19:12,200 ♪ Babe ♪ 1372 01:19:12,873 --> 01:19:15,786 ♪ Now you know I'd try ♪ 1373 01:19:31,308 --> 01:19:33,220 ♪ I don't know ♪ 1374 01:19:36,814 --> 01:19:39,431 ♪ What's going on here ♪ 1375 01:19:40,651 --> 01:19:42,608 ♪ And I don't know ♪ 1376 01:19:45,155 --> 01:19:48,739 ♪ How it's supposed to be ♪ 1377 01:20:01,797 --> 01:20:03,834 ♪ Oh, I don't have ♪ 1378 01:20:07,303 --> 01:20:09,886 ♪ The vaguest notion ♪ 1379 01:20:11,223 --> 01:20:12,964 ♪ Whose it is ♪ 1380 01:20:16,603 --> 01:20:20,813 ♪ Or what it's all for ♪ 1381 01:20:32,453 --> 01:20:34,319 ♪ I don't know ♪ 1382 01:20:37,875 --> 01:20:40,709 ♪ And I'm not cryin' ♪ 1383 01:20:41,712 --> 01:20:44,204 ♪ Laughin' mostly ♪ 1384 01:20:47,217 --> 01:20:51,336 ♪ As you can see ♪ 111140

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