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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,600 The original Steely Dan Band was formed in 1971. 2 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,780 There were five of us, and Donald and I wrote the songs. 3 00:00:58,570 --> 00:01:02,470 We toured for a while to support the first couple of albums, but we didn't 4 00:01:02,470 --> 00:01:06,910 really like it, so we stopped in 1974 and didn't tour again for 19 years. 5 00:01:09,470 --> 00:01:16,330 By the time we released Asia, the other members of the band were gone except for 6 00:01:16,330 --> 00:01:20,930 Denny Dias, and we'd replaced them with session musicians and some of our 7 00:01:20,930 --> 00:01:22,050 favorite soloists. 8 00:01:28,110 --> 00:01:32,870 We started recording the Isha album in 1977 in California, and it took a little 9 00:01:32,870 --> 00:01:34,210 over a year to finish. 10 00:01:52,430 --> 00:01:57,090 Around the time we made Asia, we'd figured out what it was we sort of 11 00:01:57,090 --> 00:01:58,310 do, you know, musically. 12 00:01:58,630 --> 00:02:05,290 We realized we needed session musicians who had a larger palette of things they 13 00:02:05,290 --> 00:02:08,710 could do, who were also good readers because they were coming in cold. 14 00:02:13,490 --> 00:02:19,390 I think the Asia album has so much great playing in terms of what we were trying 15 00:02:19,390 --> 00:02:21,590 to do with combining, you know, 16 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:29,180 session players and soloists and so on to produce these little ideal tracks for 17 00:02:29,180 --> 00:02:32,760 our songs. It was sort of the best, the most consistent and most successful 18 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,820 example of that. 19 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:43,560 The songs started to become more sophisticated and individual to 20 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:50,320 so there'd be a particular piece that we felt X musician would really shine on. 21 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,520 And we wanted the opportunity to be able to utilize the musicians who were 22 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:57,520 available. 23 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:11,660 I kind of like 24 00:03:11,660 --> 00:03:16,180 Josie because Josie sounds like a good rhythm and blues record. 25 00:03:16,460 --> 00:03:20,060 You know, it has all the stuff I like about, you know, a good... 26 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,120 like a Junior Parker record or a Bobby Bland record or something. 27 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,520 It has a lot of that stuff in it, plus some other stuff. 28 00:03:51,210 --> 00:03:54,070 tunes from this album. That's the one I like playing nowadays. 29 00:03:54,490 --> 00:04:01,030 Sort of a minor blues based thing that has a lot of typical writing devices 30 00:04:01,030 --> 00:04:05,430 and the way it's played I think is a sort of prototypical Stevie Dan record 31 00:04:05,430 --> 00:04:06,730 it's just fun to play. 32 00:04:11,770 --> 00:04:14,410 Josie is one of those songs that's right in the middle of everything. A perfect 33 00:04:14,410 --> 00:04:15,910 fusion record. Good dance record. 34 00:04:16,149 --> 00:04:21,230 It seems to be pretty funky or it seems to be pretty basic but Great players who 35 00:04:21,230 --> 00:04:25,830 are revoicing certain chords. The bassline is a 36 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:31,810 lot of me and a lot of Walter. 37 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:34,750 Great bassline. 38 00:04:36,590 --> 00:04:37,590 Chuck Rainey. 39 00:04:39,810 --> 00:04:42,350 I remember you and him working that out. 40 00:04:42,590 --> 00:04:45,390 Yeah. You had a basic thing and then you were a mess. 41 00:04:46,090 --> 00:04:49,530 Well, it's another thing where the first date was a server written part that I 42 00:04:49,530 --> 00:04:56,350 gave him and then Now this is That's just a regular kind of little 43 00:04:56,350 --> 00:05:00,610 old funk groove that more or less would sound like We're basing guitars. 44 00:05:00,850 --> 00:05:01,850 It's a straight ahead 45 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:18,260 Okay, that's very, very normal. But like his ideas were for the bass line were 46 00:05:18,260 --> 00:05:21,280 things like the place, something like... 47 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:28,680 Which 48 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:35,260 was more or less his idea to try and do something like that. And if I recall, he 49 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:40,940 did hum those parts to me like... Not this way. 50 00:05:45,140 --> 00:05:50,580 Guitar doubling the bass, common arranging tool of the Hollywood 51 00:05:50,580 --> 00:05:51,600 generation. 52 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:56,100 Henry Mancini would have been proud. 53 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,060 Early detective, everything happening. 54 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,560 Okay, that's that. 55 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:43,560 I remember on the Asia album, we would have six -hour sessions. 56 00:06:44,250 --> 00:06:46,770 two, three -hour sessions with a lunch break in between. 57 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:50,710 And we'd rehearse for the morning sessions. 58 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:55,310 And I would have the distinct feeling that we would never get a take with this 59 00:06:55,310 --> 00:06:56,750 band. It would never happen. 60 00:06:57,210 --> 00:07:01,810 The song would probably not end up on the album, and it was going to all be 61 00:07:01,810 --> 00:07:07,710 failed. We'd go to lunch, come back, and everything was in place. And we got a 62 00:07:07,710 --> 00:07:09,190 bunch of really good takes after lunch. 63 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,900 The amount of information that we processed to put the track together and, 64 00:07:25,900 --> 00:07:30,840 know, and the various permutations, I have to say most of the scrutiny was on 65 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:31,739 the drummer. 66 00:07:31,740 --> 00:07:34,340 What they really wanted was to get a great drum track. 67 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,580 And we got some drums here. 68 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:43,320 This was Jim Keltner on this one. 69 00:07:46,620 --> 00:07:47,880 Here, check this thing here. 70 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:59,120 Harp string ensemble, a sort of primitive string simulator. 71 00:08:01,660 --> 00:08:03,700 Sounds just as bad now as it did then. 72 00:08:04,220 --> 00:08:06,560 But, of course, we listen to it ironically. How about this? 73 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:14,780 Overdub. 74 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,660 Garbage can lid. Garbage can lid. Jim Keltner. 75 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,620 Rage has got a sound that lifts your heart up, and it's the most consistently 76 00:08:30,620 --> 00:08:36,440 upful, heartwarming, even though it is a classic L .A. kind of sound, 77 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,059 you wouldn't think it was recorded anywhere else in the world, I don't 78 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,180 It's got California through its blood, even though they're boys from New York. 79 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,920 And it's a record that sends my spirits up. And really, when I listen to music, 80 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:57,370 That's really what I want. I don't really want to hear people moaning, and 81 00:08:57,370 --> 00:08:59,030 don't want to hear music that moans, you know? 82 00:09:05,710 --> 00:09:12,510 We moved out to the West Coast in 71 or 83 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:19,330 72, and we got a job there and staff writing for ABC 84 00:09:19,330 --> 00:09:20,670 Dunhill Records. 85 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,940 We were sort of these two English major type guys, you know, out in L .A. that 86 00:09:26,940 --> 00:09:32,880 was a much more visual culture in a way. You know, I think the sort of cliched 87 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:39,760 illustration of that is, you know, Woody Allen movies where he's transported 88 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,480 out to Los Angeles and becomes very ill, you know, and feels very disoriented. I 89 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,480 think that probably is close to our experience as well. 90 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,200 We ended up working with bands that had New York and L .A. musicians because 91 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,700 there were elements we were finding in the L .A. session players that were 92 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:06,400 great, you know, the kind of precision and the savviness about recording 93 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,080 processes and so on. 94 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,200 Back when we started in New York, the drummer would show up with his trap 95 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:20,220 right, with a snare drum and his cymbals and his pedals or whatever and some 96 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:21,220 sticks. 97 00:10:22,250 --> 00:10:26,930 In Los Angeles, when we got there, a drummer would show up, a truck would 98 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:29,710 up, and two guys would come out and set up a huge drum set. 99 00:10:30,310 --> 00:10:35,190 And the guy had two more sets like that so that he could make the next date. It 100 00:10:35,190 --> 00:10:39,470 was all set up when he got there. So we loved that about the L .A. players. At 101 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:43,210 the same time, a lot of the New York musicians had a musical style or a sort 102 00:10:43,210 --> 00:10:47,850 hard -hitting attitude, or they took chances during their performances in a 103 00:10:47,850 --> 00:10:50,010 that didn't happen on the West Coast. 104 00:10:52,940 --> 00:10:56,700 Jazz rock was a fundamental part of the 70s musical landscape. 105 00:10:57,020 --> 00:11:01,580 On the one hand, you've got groups which were basically rock bands with horn 106 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:06,760 sections, like Chicago and Blood, Sweat and Tears. On the other, you've got some 107 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,860 jazz musicians who, following Miles Davis's lead, were working in an area 108 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:13,180 was then called Fusion. 109 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:19,440 People like Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Stanley Clark, and preeminently Weather 110 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,440 Report. 111 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:26,480 But Steely Dan were unlike either of those. It wasn't rock or pop music with 112 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:33,040 ideas above its station, and it wasn't jazzers slumming. It was a very 113 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:38,740 well -forged ally of the two. You couldn't separate the pop music from the 114 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:39,920 in their music. 115 00:11:53,130 --> 00:11:57,010 I feel nothing but pride from that track. It was one of the best tracks I 116 00:11:57,010 --> 00:11:58,010 played on. 117 00:11:59,070 --> 00:12:04,550 As far as drums were going at that time, it was like if you had a club in your 118 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:09,930 right hand and a club in your left hand and clubs for feet, you could play. 119 00:12:15,690 --> 00:12:18,050 I had just opened my eye, I had a hair. 120 00:12:18,590 --> 00:12:19,590 Every couple of... 121 00:12:21,589 --> 00:12:25,650 with what I was playing with my right hand on the hi -hat, and it created this 122 00:12:25,650 --> 00:12:26,389 little sound. 123 00:12:26,390 --> 00:12:32,410 Now, I've done that, but never ever heard it on the record that 124 00:12:32,410 --> 00:12:39,190 I had done, because engineers and sound at the time, you know, it was one of 125 00:12:39,190 --> 00:12:41,990 those things where it's a nuance, and those things didn't exist. 126 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,300 I remember this was kind of a written bass part, but he picked it up in his 127 00:13:00,420 --> 00:13:03,720 Parts of it were written. This part was written, this verse part. 128 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,720 Just a great position. 129 00:13:06,020 --> 00:13:08,080 Flapping and also fretting with his thumb. 130 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,620 Chuck had a really unique. 131 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:12,240 Here's the chorus, which was. 132 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:14,520 You have to ask Chuck about the thumb business. 133 00:13:18,460 --> 00:13:22,940 They didn't want me to slap, I think, mainly because at that time, flapping 134 00:13:22,940 --> 00:13:23,940 just becoming. 135 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:26,380 popular, and was on a lot of records. 136 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,580 However, my me being a player, I think there are some songs that slapping 137 00:13:31,580 --> 00:13:35,300 good. And no matter who you are, you want to keep in the fold of what's 138 00:13:35,300 --> 00:13:36,300 happening. 139 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:42,220 Peg, that bridge there just seemed to be a slapping thing for me. 140 00:13:42,860 --> 00:13:46,400 They said, well, no, play with your fingers, you know, something like that. 141 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,100 And then you play these songs so many times that after a while, I remember 142 00:13:52,100 --> 00:13:53,240 turning just a little bit. 143 00:13:54,339 --> 00:13:58,320 either this way or this way, and putting up a petition. 144 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,480 And they were about that high. 145 00:14:01,020 --> 00:14:02,860 Of course, sitting in a much lower chair. 146 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,820 And I remember, you know, slapping. 147 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,480 They never knew it went down. They never knew it. Except afterwards, you can 148 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,920 tell there was a difference in that bridge. 149 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:20,720 All right, and here they are. 150 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,700 Put in the keyboards again here. 151 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,260 Here's your little trio here. 152 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:37,840 I'll tell you one thing that's interesting that I'm listening to now is 153 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,820 don't really hear, in a lot of groups that you hear, there's a lot of doubling 154 00:14:41,820 --> 00:14:48,280 between the bass and the kick drum. You can hear here that the kick drum is all 155 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,980 sort of syncopated. It's not really. 156 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,080 You know what I mean? It's not doubling so much the strong beats that the bass 157 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,080 is playing. 158 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:01,120 You've got to love them. 159 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,860 But it's not like you go in there and you're just really good friends and 160 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:09,260 play and you'll try to get into it and they'll say, yeah, that's really good. 161 00:15:09,460 --> 00:15:12,580 And then the next day somebody else is doing it, a whole other band. 162 00:15:13,550 --> 00:15:17,490 It wasn't like they played musical chairs with the guys in the band. They 163 00:15:17,490 --> 00:15:21,630 musical bands. A whole band would go, and a whole incredible other band would 164 00:15:21,630 --> 00:15:22,630 come in. 165 00:15:24,790 --> 00:15:28,970 We never came up with a band of our own that we felt was the right combination 166 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:30,610 of guys, that it was stable. 167 00:15:30,890 --> 00:15:32,330 It was just me and Walter. 168 00:15:32,670 --> 00:15:38,250 You hear somebody in a record, and you say, wow, this guy's a great soloist. 169 00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:39,250 Let's have him come in. 170 00:15:39,950 --> 00:15:43,810 you know, what would he be good on, you know, what would suit his style, you 171 00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:44,810 know, that's fun. 172 00:15:51,550 --> 00:15:55,810 This tune, I think, is infamous among studio players in that we hired a couple 173 00:15:55,810 --> 00:16:00,150 of guitar players, you know, to play the solo, and it wasn't quite what we were 174 00:16:00,150 --> 00:16:05,230 looking for until we got through three or four, five. 175 00:16:06,569 --> 00:16:09,550 Players. Six or seven, you know. Six or seven, eight players. 176 00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:21,110 To me, it was sort of like, you know, some of it started getting foggy, right? 177 00:16:21,110 --> 00:16:24,550 would come into the studio and go, okay, we've got another day of this that we 178 00:16:24,550 --> 00:16:25,550 have to do. 179 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:31,090 And so some of it would just go by like, you know, days of the week. Here we go 180 00:16:31,090 --> 00:16:32,390 again. Another guitar solo. 181 00:16:32,970 --> 00:16:34,930 Something else soloed? Oh, there it is. 182 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Let's check this out. Go back and let's hear it in the track. 183 00:16:59,580 --> 00:17:00,580 There you go. 184 00:17:01,060 --> 00:17:05,359 In other words... Beats itself, really. 185 00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:07,510 Let's go see if we can find another one. 186 00:17:08,109 --> 00:17:11,930 This is probably the last guy to try it before Jay did it. 187 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:14,470 Here's another one. 188 00:17:19,349 --> 00:17:22,849 What is it? Some kind of little envelope filter thing he's got going there on 189 00:17:22,849 --> 00:17:23,849 his guitar? 190 00:17:29,910 --> 00:17:31,370 Didn't we hear that someone did this to you? 191 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,680 And then finally, Jay Graydon came in and did it with no difficulty 192 00:17:47,140 --> 00:17:48,360 A Hawaiian. 193 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:54,060 Yeah, kind of a Polynesian. Pre -figured my own later residence in Hawaii. 194 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,100 I'd worked with them enough to kind of know what I was in for. 195 00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:16,720 Certain words that they just wanted to hear a certain way. 196 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Normally, under normal circumstances, people wouldn't. 197 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:29,300 This is the words, you hear the parts, you sing it, and that's the phrasing. 198 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,380 But for those guys... 199 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:38,380 Phrasing could have such nuance that singing a line like half as much as 200 00:18:38,380 --> 00:18:43,340 you'd think, how many different ways can you say it in that phrasing 201 00:18:43,340 --> 00:18:50,240 rhythmically? But it would come down to such fine points like pronunciation and 202 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:57,000 exact rhythmic vibrato, no vibrato, things like that. 203 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,200 So it was always real challenging. 204 00:19:00,330 --> 00:19:02,750 He did a couple parts on top of himself. 205 00:19:06,810 --> 00:19:09,030 Let's check if that is hard part just to embarrass him. 206 00:19:09,650 --> 00:19:10,650 Sorry, 207 00:19:15,610 --> 00:19:17,190 Mike. There it is. 208 00:19:18,650 --> 00:19:19,650 Totally yours, too. 209 00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:31,510 It doesn't sound like much of a part, but the harmonies were so close that 210 00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:37,810 was a real learning experience for me to sing a chord, you know, part by part 211 00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:38,810 with myself. 212 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:43,710 You know, when you're going back in to sing that next harmony, it's so close to 213 00:19:43,710 --> 00:19:44,710 the note you're singing. 214 00:19:45,010 --> 00:19:51,590 It was just real hard for me to discern that interval and keep it in pitch, you 215 00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:52,590 know. 216 00:19:57,490 --> 00:20:03,870 We had a pretty specific idea about how these background parts would work and 217 00:20:03,870 --> 00:20:09,190 the sort of swing band rhythmic approach and how we wanted it phrased and so on. 218 00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:08,230 Call me Deacon Blues, Deacon Blues 219 00:22:22,030 --> 00:22:25,050 takes that affection to an almost philosophical level. 220 00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:31,290 It brings a nobility to that kind of faded hipster attitude, 221 00:22:31,490 --> 00:22:36,270 which I think has very deep roots in their own personalities. 222 00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:41,990 They were both young kids, most influenced really by bohemian, beatnik 223 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:43,770 of the late 50s and early 60s. 224 00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:04,880 Your guitar over here, Larry Carlton. 225 00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:07,860 Tasty. Yeah. 226 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:15,080 Larry played live on a lot of these dates, and he was very good 227 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:21,940 on rhythm dates at really being a core pulse for tunes 228 00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:26,380 and holding them from moving around too much rhythmically. 229 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,420 And he had usually done the charts on tunes that he was playing on. 230 00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:35,910 I think of myself as the person that they wanted to be the liaison between 231 00:23:35,910 --> 00:23:37,970 themselves and the studio musicians. 232 00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:43,390 They would give me their demo tape, and it had those wonderful piano parts on 233 00:23:43,390 --> 00:23:46,050 it, and many of the bass parts were on there also. 234 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:51,070 And I would be the person that would take those notes off of the tape, fill 235 00:23:51,070 --> 00:23:55,510 the blanks where they weren't sure of what they wanted to be played, and then 236 00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:57,390 would take that chart to the session. 237 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,220 And I would be the person who was familiar with the song out in the studio 238 00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:04,220 the studio musicians. 239 00:24:05,020 --> 00:24:09,540 So if Donald or Walter would say, Larry, when we go to the bridge at the such 240 00:24:09,540 --> 00:24:14,440 and such, I would be able to tell the musicians that's bar 19, B flat 7 with a 241 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,440 raise 9. 242 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,680 You call me a fool, you say it's a crazy scheme. 243 00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:26,940 This one for real. 244 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,140 You can sort of hear the bass just sort of floating along. You know, I was 245 00:24:37,140 --> 00:24:42,260 overdubbing over an existing track. Usually a bass player has to work a 246 00:24:42,260 --> 00:24:47,100 harder to drive the track, but it was already there for some reason. I kind of 247 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:49,000 like the idea of just floating along here at the first. 248 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,840 And here it goes to sort of a more conventional. 249 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:59,220 Now, later we added acoustic guitar. 250 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,160 Gene Clark's? Yeah. 251 00:25:02,980 --> 00:25:03,980 Nice. 252 00:25:06,860 --> 00:25:11,180 One interesting thing about Donal and Walter is that perfection is not what 253 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:17,260 they're after. They're after something that you want to listen to over and over 254 00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:21,700 again. So we would work then past the perfection point until it became 255 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,780 until it sounded almost improvised in a way. 256 00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:30,050 So it was like a two -step process. One was to get to perfection and then the 257 00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:34,090 other is to get beyond it and to loosen it up a little bit so that it didn't 258 00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:36,930 have to be the perfect squeaky clean goal. 259 00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:41,350 It is quite an amalgamation, that's for sure. 260 00:25:41,890 --> 00:25:45,090 And it's interesting to note that it can be a hit. 261 00:25:52,410 --> 00:25:57,370 Deacon Blues is about as close to autobiography as our tunes get. We were 262 00:25:57,370 --> 00:25:59,650 kids who grew up in the suburbs. 263 00:25:59,950 --> 00:26:05,850 We both felt fairly alienated. Like a lot of kids in the 50s, we were looking 264 00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:12,310 for some kind of alternative culture, some kind of escape, really, from where 265 00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:17,150 found ourselves. And I think Deacon Blues is a nice kind of example of that. 266 00:26:21,220 --> 00:26:23,860 The protagonist is not a musician. 267 00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:29,320 He just sort of imagines that that would be one of the mythic forms of loserdom 268 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,660 to which he might aspire. 269 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:35,160 And, you know, who could say that he's not right? 270 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,920 Nothing like that. 271 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,820 There's a synthesizer pad on here somewhere. 272 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,660 What the hell is that all about? 273 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,500 Go roll back a second, Roger. There it is. 274 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,100 Department store, that's what I'm thinking of. It's like that bing, bing 275 00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:08,820 What's the big toy store on 59th Street? 276 00:27:09,780 --> 00:27:13,720 FAO Schwartz. FAO Schwartz. It's like they play that same song over and over 277 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,380 with those kinds of sounds in them. Kids like it because it has a Christmassy. 278 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,380 It's the audio equivalent of a primary color kind of thing, you know? 279 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,520 It's kind of a pheromone for tots to bring them in. 280 00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:27,580 Why did we put that in there? 281 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,200 Because, you know why? 282 00:27:29,460 --> 00:27:32,920 To fatten up the hair? I think maybe there was a flute part on the top in the 283 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,200 Munich trumpets that didn't cut. 284 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:37,820 So we wanted to put a little high end on the... To brighten and clarify. 285 00:27:38,220 --> 00:27:41,500 Right, so then... Here's without the synthesizer. It goes like this. 286 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,000 Or maybe we couldn't find a flute player or something. 287 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:51,550 Okay, now let's play it again, and I'll put this guy in here. 288 00:27:55,550 --> 00:28:00,090 It's sort of a flute simulation, really, wouldn't you say? Or it's marked here 289 00:28:00,090 --> 00:28:01,090 as a celeste. 290 00:28:01,650 --> 00:28:06,210 So maybe we were thinking of it for some reason as though it were like a bells 291 00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:07,810 or something going along with that thing. 292 00:28:08,530 --> 00:28:12,690 Although it doesn't sound the least bit like a celeste. I was always amazed that 293 00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:16,570 they pretty much heard in their heads what it was going to be like completed. 294 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,960 So they knew right away when you get a bunch of musicians together and they're 295 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,880 cutting the tracks, and Donald Walter would be sitting in the control room 296 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,200 going, no, this is not it. It's not going to happen. 297 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,800 So maybe we'll try this other tune with these guys. 298 00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:34,520 Then they'd get another band in to try the tunes that didn't work out. 299 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:40,420 And all through the project, they would know, nope, that's not it. That's not 300 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:45,720 working. This is what I want. And it was amazing that when the thing got done, 301 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:49,590 Finally, I could see what everything was going to be like. 302 00:28:49,890 --> 00:28:52,150 But they knew from the very beginning. 303 00:28:56,370 --> 00:28:57,370 It's beautiful. 304 00:28:58,350 --> 00:29:03,030 Basic gospel response type of thing. 305 00:29:04,210 --> 00:29:06,370 You put in the lead and we'll see. 306 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:39,940 Part of the reason I was driven toward jazz was when the radio stopped playing 307 00:29:39,940 --> 00:29:42,740 Chuck Berry and Little Richard. 308 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:47,820 This was when I was quite young, but I still noticed that something was wrong 309 00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:52,740 with the music after a while when they started playing white singers like 310 00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:59,700 Frankie Avalon and that kind of thing. I like black music, 311 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,480 essentially, whether it be R &B or... gospel or jazz, you know. 312 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,240 My mom was a singer in the hotels in the Catskills when she was a little girl. 313 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,960 You could do it in the summers until she was a teenager. 314 00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:19,900 And she used to sing around the house, so I'm familiar with the repertoire, you 315 00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:20,900 know. 316 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,200 Both Walter and I have a background that includes songwriting from the 20s, 30s, 317 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,080 and 40s, and 50s, mostly in jazz versions. 318 00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:33,670 Yeah, I mean, there are people who've read books and there's people who ain't 319 00:30:33,670 --> 00:30:34,329 read books. 320 00:30:34,330 --> 00:30:40,750 They've got a skill that can make images that aren't puro and don't make you 321 00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:41,750 think you've heard it before. 322 00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:46,810 Very Hollywood filmic, in a way. The imagery is very imaginable in a visual 323 00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:47,810 sense. 324 00:30:55,230 --> 00:30:56,230 Uptown, baby. 325 00:30:56,530 --> 00:30:59,870 Uptown, baby. We get down, baby. Up on the crown, baby. 326 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,840 Uptown baby, uptown baby, we get down baby, for the crown baby. Now if it 327 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,900 for the Bronx, this rap probably never would be going on. So tell me where you 328 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:14,860 from. Uptown baby, uptown baby, we get down baby, for the crown baby. 329 00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:17,460 It does sound familiar, doesn't it? 330 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:23,100 In the corner of my... 331 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,660 I saw you and Rudy. You were very high. You were high. 332 00:31:34,260 --> 00:31:35,260 Crying disgrace. 333 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,360 Well, 334 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,940 it starts out, the guy's talking about this girl that he's involved with, and 335 00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:53,800 she's sitting at a counter, and he describes her behavior and habits. 336 00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:59,010 Out of that, you begin to see her character and their relationship. 337 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:06,990 Self -explanatory. 338 00:32:13,910 --> 00:32:17,370 This tune really does speak for itself in a way. 339 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,660 It's daunting for the commentary. Black cow, an ice cream soda. 340 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,020 We're confused about this, actually. I thought it was a soda. 341 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,640 There seem to be regional variations on the formula, but it's... Root beer and 342 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,180 vanilla ice cream or... Soft drink. 343 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,720 Something like that. 344 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,680 Brothy soft drink. Very big in the soda fountains when we were kids. 345 00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:56,600 Like a gangster on the run, you'll stagger 346 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:03,580 homeward to your precious one. I'm the one who 347 00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:09,380 must make everything right. Talk it out till daylight. 348 00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:19,900 Walter and I both grew up around in the New York area. Walter originally from 349 00:33:19,900 --> 00:33:25,400 Westchester, and then I moved out to Queens, but went to school in Manhattan. 350 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:31,460 And I'm from New Jersey, maybe 20 minutes over the bridge. So, yeah, we 351 00:33:31,460 --> 00:33:32,460 grew up in this area. 352 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,340 So I think New York life is what we most know about. 353 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:44,840 There's a solo by Victor, a very good solo by Victor Feldman. Live on the 354 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:45,840 tracking, Dave. 355 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,760 We answered an ad in the Village Boys that said, you know, must have jazz 356 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,780 Keyboard. No hang -ups. Right. 357 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,080 Keyboard. 358 00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:14,090 Keyboard. Keyboard and bass player needed for working, you know, jazz rock 359 00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:15,670 combo. Something like that. 360 00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:18,370 You know, must have jazz chops. 361 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:24,250 No hang -ups. No hang -ups. So we answered the ad, and we called, and we 362 00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:27,770 out to Hicksville, Long Island, which for us was quite a haul, you know, 363 00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:28,770 we never left Manhattan. 364 00:34:29,469 --> 00:34:33,170 We went out and we went in the basement, you know, it was like a kid with a 365 00:34:33,170 --> 00:34:37,969 basement band, and we liked some of the material, it was kind of early fusion 366 00:34:37,969 --> 00:34:38,969 type material. 367 00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:41,429 Before there was jazz fusion in a way. 368 00:34:48,110 --> 00:34:53,810 You know, like when they're in the same room at the same time, they're like one 369 00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:58,450 person with two brains, you know, so it's the highbrow intellectual humor. 370 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,480 You know, you don't get any fart jokes or anything of the kind. 371 00:35:03,300 --> 00:35:05,340 They can usually finish each other's sentences. 372 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,660 Well, I first met them when I put an ad in the Village Voice because I had a 373 00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:12,860 band and we were looking for a bass player and a piano player. 374 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,280 And they answered the ad, so they joined my band at first. 375 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,580 And then one by one we realized that there was a deficiency in certain of the 376 00:35:22,580 --> 00:35:24,780 players that, you know... 377 00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:29,770 That wasn't quite up to this, you know, we started playing their songs right 378 00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:35,610 away and I immediately saw that these were great songs and truth be told we 379 00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:41,370 of took over his band we kind of erected towards the end of the other guys, you 380 00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:48,330 know and that's in a way was the core of the Steely Dan crew later 381 00:35:48,330 --> 00:35:52,210 because when we got a job out in LA we we sent for Danny 382 00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:34,690 When we got to California, I don't know that we were nostalgic in a general sort 383 00:36:34,690 --> 00:36:40,950 of way for New York so much as we were nostalgic as writers for this milieu 384 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:45,250 we left behind. We weren't finished writing songs with New York characters 385 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:46,710 them yet. 386 00:36:47,010 --> 00:36:50,730 So we kept doing that, and by the time we were finished, we had moved back to 387 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:55,070 New York, at which point we immediately started writing lyrics about California. 388 00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:12,070 A lot of her songs are about being homestead, I think, for New York. I've 389 00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:13,230 noticed that, actually. 390 00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:20,030 I guess it's just was our natural inclination to write these sort of 391 00:37:20,130 --> 00:37:21,130 really. 392 00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:27,390 Home at Last, the central metaphor was taken from Ulysses' big problem, you 393 00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:30,630 know, trying to get back home, but we didn't take it that seriously. It's 394 00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:32,190 essentially just the idea that... 395 00:37:32,650 --> 00:37:34,970 Have you read a little blues about Ulysses? 396 00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:43,350 There's a guitar riff, sort of a Chicago blues sort of 397 00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:47,630 item. Larry Carlton. 398 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:58,710 Donald and Walter love sophisticated harmony, but they're rock and roll guys. 399 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:03,600 We're contemporaries as far as age, so we all were brought up listening to the 400 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,600 60s. 401 00:38:04,980 --> 00:38:08,340 And I know that they love rock and roll, but they also have a passion for 402 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:13,260 harmony, which, as do I. All the players they use, we love great feeling rock 403 00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:14,720 and roll music, but we love harmony. 404 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:33,280 When we did Preps -O -Logic, the first album we did with studio players, we had 405 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:38,320 done a couple of albums with our little band, and we had heard these players and 406 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,840 done overdubs and stuff with them. 407 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,060 But I found myself in the room with these guys, and I thought, like, wow, 408 00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:46,600 really outclassed here, you know? 409 00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:54,900 Rita Frank. 410 00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:56,100 Nina Simone. 411 00:38:57,530 --> 00:39:03,570 Roberta Flack, Donny Hathaway, James Brown, Lloyd Price, Ray Charles, 412 00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:10,730 Frank Donatra, Heinz, Heinz, and Ford, Barry Manlo, Dionne Warwick, 413 00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:15,990 The Animals, The Mountains, The Beatles, B .B. King, Bobby Blue. 414 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:23,230 Now, they already told me that they didn't want a shuttle. They didn't want 415 00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:25,290 Motown. They didn't want the Chicago. 416 00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:31,660 But they weren't sure how and what they wanted, but they did want halftime. I 417 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:34,260 said, fine, then let me do the Purdy Shuffle. 418 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,540 And they said, well, what is that? I said, well, I'll show you where you can 419 00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:44,800 feel comfortable with it and you'll end up getting exactly what you asked for. 420 00:39:45,260 --> 00:39:52,220 Halftime, funky, laid back, without thinking that it's a shuffle. 421 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,400 And it goes something like this. 422 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,580 Let's isolate Bernard for a second because let's look into that beat. 423 00:40:20,580 --> 00:40:27,400 Bernard, you know, this isn't easy. You'd come in with a tune 424 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:34,200 and have sort of something in mind, but the way Bernard played stuff was always, 425 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,960 he always had some unique stylistic thing that he did that you would never 426 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,060 imagine in advance and that nobody else would do. 427 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,960 This tune was... 428 00:40:45,500 --> 00:40:52,500 good example of that a lot of bernard 429 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:58,340 hi -hat and this tune particularly a real driving kind of 430 00:40:58,340 --> 00:41:05,000 you got the backbeat you got double time 431 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,180 and you have it almost shuffle 432 00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:24,280 Bernard, you know, there's a famous story where he would come to a session 433 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:30,900 in the early 60s and he'd have two signs with him and he'd set up these signs 434 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,660 where on one side of the drums would say, you done it. 435 00:41:34,350 --> 00:41:38,070 And then the sign on the other side would say, you done hired the hit maker, 436 00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:39,310 Bernard Pretty Purdy. 437 00:41:39,930 --> 00:41:44,650 So it's that kind of confidence that you need, you know, to get a good R &B 438 00:41:44,650 --> 00:41:45,650 track, you know. 439 00:42:06,220 --> 00:42:10,080 Up on the hill, people never stand. 440 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:14,580 They just don't care. 441 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:22,360 Asia starts out in a very peaceful way up on a hill, and it's kind of a trip, 442 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,580 really, to listen to it. 443 00:42:25,020 --> 00:42:27,840 Yeah, a journey through space and time. Journey through space and time. 444 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,540 Asia's was a combination of a number of different tunes that we had that were 445 00:42:39,540 --> 00:42:44,720 sewn together to make kind of a little sweet, if you will. And it was kind of 446 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:45,720 sweet, wasn't it? 447 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:50,800 We were feeling lucky that year, and we thought, you know, there wouldn't be any 448 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,140 problem with moving into a slightly more ambitious sort of extended 449 00:42:57,140 --> 00:43:01,340 composition. But we immediately regrouped after that and went back to 450 00:43:01,660 --> 00:43:03,480 You know, we wouldn't want too much of a good thing. 451 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:29,880 Asia is 452 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:37,400 the 453 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,980 name of a woman. I had a friend in high school, and he had an older brother. 454 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,360 And he went to Korea and married a Korean girl and brought her back, and 455 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,360 name was Asia. 456 00:43:48,820 --> 00:43:54,240 And we thought that was a good name, just it was a very romantic sort of 457 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,560 the sort of tranquility that can come of a quiet relationship with a beautiful 458 00:43:58,560 --> 00:43:59,560 woman. 459 00:44:06,810 --> 00:44:11,670 Very existence is a contradiction. I mean, when have you ever heard a song on 460 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:15,690 rock and roll record that absolutely cannot be played on a guitar? 461 00:44:18,610 --> 00:44:20,730 I think that's me playing the guitar there. 462 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:22,250 That's Walter playing the guitar. 463 00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:27,410 Freshly released piece of outboard equipment. 464 00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:29,670 Denny again. 465 00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:44,440 There's clusters where the notes are so close together that you can't stretch 466 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,920 your fingers far enough to get all the notes out at the same time. 467 00:44:47,900 --> 00:44:54,080 There's open voicings that are so wide apart that you can't reach the notes. 468 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,020 All you can do is pick a few and play them. 469 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,620 And even still, you don't quite get the flavor of the chord because it requires 470 00:45:01,620 --> 00:45:07,200 that contrast of a cluster chord and then an open chord. 471 00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:09,840 and the way it progresses. 472 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,620 Jazz is a dangerous, double -edged thing. 473 00:45:13,140 --> 00:45:17,060 You mustn't do too much of it, and I don't think Steady Dan do do too much of 474 00:45:17,060 --> 00:45:20,240 it. I think they use that knowledge and that love they've obviously got. 475 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,820 You know, Parker, Mingus, I can hear in there, I can hear lots of really, I can 476 00:45:26,820 --> 00:45:30,680 hear Blakey, I can hear jazz messengers in there, I can hear lots and lots of 477 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,740 Bobby Timmons, I can hear in there. The subject matter doesn't matter. 478 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,260 It's the sound they're making. 479 00:45:38,250 --> 00:45:41,550 And then we also added Wayne Shorter on tenor saxophone. 480 00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:44,370 We were very glad that he came in. 481 00:45:44,610 --> 00:45:47,670 It took a while, as I recall, to persuade him to come down. 482 00:45:48,210 --> 00:45:49,690 He didn't really beat dates. 483 00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:55,610 And I think he felt that the chances were that we would be asking him to do 484 00:45:55,610 --> 00:45:59,910 something that was not particularly appropriate, a reasonable 485 00:45:59,910 --> 00:46:03,770 fear under the circumstances. 486 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,400 I was invited to play on the record. 487 00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:13,980 It was quite a matter of fact, you know, I said, yes, you know. 488 00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:19,480 And they asked me how I wanted to do it. 489 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:25,780 And I said, just roll the tape, just, you know, in the section where I'm 490 00:46:25,780 --> 00:46:32,140 supposed to be playing, and I'll get a reference from what's going on, about 491 00:46:32,140 --> 00:46:35,240 what's going on before and what comes after. 492 00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:39,520 I listened to it, and then I started to perform. 493 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:44,640 I remember he was a little worried about playing the things, getting into how he 494 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,420 used to play with Miles, you know, and of course that didn't bother us at all. 495 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,940 I walked in the studio, they were sitting, they had the lights down, my 496 00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:59,040 was to do what I'm going to do. 497 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,460 I'd sit down and say, hey, how are you, you know. 498 00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:07,990 In fact, when we grew up, we thought that was corny in my neighborhood. 499 00:47:10,310 --> 00:47:13,070 I said, don't wear your heart on your sleeve. 500 00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:16,730 He said, don't give too much away. 501 00:47:34,610 --> 00:47:39,610 Musicians were a key to, you know, the music that eventually, you know, got put 502 00:47:39,610 --> 00:47:40,610 out. 503 00:47:42,570 --> 00:47:47,410 I think Asia probably was a point, you know, a turning point where the music 504 00:47:47,410 --> 00:47:53,830 really became another level of sophistication of writing and performing 505 00:47:53,830 --> 00:47:54,830 Donald. 506 00:47:55,910 --> 00:48:00,970 The most seamless joining of jazz and pop that there'd ever been. 507 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,460 There's nothing else quite as sophisticated as that in all of rock 508 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,760 When we first started, we were more writing pop songs at the time that maybe 509 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,640 an infusion of our interest in jazz and so on. But by the time we did Asia, I 510 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,880 think we knew more what we enjoyed doing, really. 511 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,960 Certainly through the Asia album, I think, you know, our stuff improved. 512 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,920 The Asia album was the most successful example of what we were trying to do 513 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,040 using studio bands. 514 00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,520 And, you know, there's a very good possibility that something like that 515 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,400 fall flat on its face and then it won't work. 516 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,540 And that was just sort of a spectacular success, and we all knew it. And that's 517 00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:48,800 what I hear when I look at that record. 518 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:50,460 If you ask songwriters from my generation, my and 519 00:52:50,460 --> 00:52:55,480 Donald's generation, about who were 520 00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:02,300 the important lyricists from their time, Bob Dylan 521 00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:03,480 is always going to be mentioned. 522 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:10,900 And I don't think that what we do sounds much like Bob 523 00:53:10,900 --> 00:53:11,900 Dylan, 524 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:18,320 He was the guy that sort of opened the door to a larger world of possibilities 525 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:24,360 and realized that by superimposing more interesting or more literate or more 526 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,580 obscure or more extravagant lyrics on rock and roll beats, you would end up 527 00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:31,840 something intriguing. 528 00:53:32,580 --> 00:53:34,540 We were sort of the first TV generation. 529 00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:41,560 I was interested in TV music, movie soundtracks. 530 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:48,460 I could sometimes tell who wrote the score just from hearing the music, if it 531 00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:55,400 was Elmer Bernstein or Dave Grusin or, you know, Alex 532 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,400 North or whoever. 533 00:53:57,740 --> 00:54:04,340 And also, it was like sort of cheap music, like TV music or movie 534 00:54:04,340 --> 00:54:06,580 music. By cheap, I simply mean... 535 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:11,660 Not really in a disparaging way, but it's written to support something else. 536 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,180 It's not pure music, but it's rather written to support visual information. 537 00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:21,240 There was something also funny about that music. 538 00:54:21,980 --> 00:54:25,140 There was something funny about the theme from The Twilight Zone. 539 00:54:25,580 --> 00:54:31,280 Something funny about the jazz score for The 540 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,720 Sweet Smell of Success. 541 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,740 It was like fake jazz, essentially. 542 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:44,900 And so I both like real jazz and also fake jazz and also fake fake jazz, you 543 00:54:44,900 --> 00:54:45,900 know. 544 00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:14,600 You in your life, you're a march, you're a screamer. You know how to hustle. 545 00:59:19,980 --> 00:59:20,799 I don't care. 546 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,740 Yeah, you got the muscle. 547 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:25,840 I got the... 548 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:34,180 Yes, 549 00:59:34,180 --> 00:59:36,440 Bill, how did you know? 550 00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:41,300 Can't you see love will grow? 551 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,660 You know, my favorite thing is when they come up and they say, hey. 552 00:59:48,220 --> 00:59:49,560 are you that guy in Steely Dan? 553 00:59:50,620 --> 00:59:53,620 And he'd say, yeah. And I'd say, no, you're not. 554 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,080 You're not him. 555 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:56,520 That's what I like. 49202

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