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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,021 --> 00:00:03,751 [MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:03,751 --> 00:00:08,256 NARRATOR: There are people out there who need your example. 3 00:00:08,256 --> 00:00:10,381 If your book is out there, your voice is out there, 4 00:00:10,381 --> 00:00:14,221 your face is out there, you're contributing literally just 5 00:00:14,221 --> 00:00:15,430 by existing. 6 00:00:15,430 --> 00:00:18,721 You are not just writing for yourself anymore. 7 00:00:18,721 --> 00:00:21,991 [MUSIC PLAYING] 8 00:00:33,491 --> 00:00:36,351 Let's be blunt here. 9 00:00:36,351 --> 00:00:38,631 The publishing industry is no different 10 00:00:38,631 --> 00:00:43,281 from any other major institution in American society, 11 00:00:43,281 --> 00:00:45,921 or English speaking language society, 12 00:00:45,921 --> 00:00:49,641 because it's very similar in other countries. 13 00:00:49,641 --> 00:00:54,841 It has a huge problem with systemic and endemic racism, 14 00:00:54,841 --> 00:01:00,291 sexism, a bunch of other isms, and the bulk of the power 15 00:01:00,291 --> 00:01:03,411 players are cishet white guys. 16 00:01:03,411 --> 00:01:07,041 The editors, for the most part, are cishet white women, 17 00:01:07,041 --> 00:01:08,931 but the people actually making decisions 18 00:01:08,931 --> 00:01:12,891 at the CEO level or the publisher and up level 19 00:01:12,891 --> 00:01:14,661 tend to be men. 20 00:01:14,661 --> 00:01:21,561 So depending on how far you choose to make your text 21 00:01:21,561 --> 00:01:26,121 veer from what their preferences are, because it has to be 22 00:01:26,121 --> 00:01:29,271 said that there are a lot of marginalized people 23 00:01:29,271 --> 00:01:32,181 throughout the history of literature 24 00:01:32,181 --> 00:01:37,491 in this country who've concealed their problematic identities 25 00:01:37,491 --> 00:01:41,121 and gone on to publish fiction where they just don't mention 26 00:01:41,121 --> 00:01:42,711 what people look like or they just 27 00:01:42,711 --> 00:01:45,511 don't mention those aspects of people's lives. 28 00:01:45,511 --> 00:01:49,671 And so it's certainly possible to publish 29 00:01:49,671 --> 00:01:53,211 books that are of meaning and value 30 00:01:53,211 --> 00:01:56,991 to the people who are decision makers, whether you yourself 31 00:01:56,991 --> 00:01:59,151 come from a marginalized background or not. 32 00:01:59,151 --> 00:02:01,041 People who come from marginalized backgrounds 33 00:02:01,041 --> 00:02:04,611 all know how to speak the language of the center. 34 00:02:04,611 --> 00:02:06,501 We all have read all of the books 35 00:02:06,501 --> 00:02:07,701 with the white guys in them. 36 00:02:07,701 --> 00:02:11,631 We know what kinds of stories are popular with that audience. 37 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:12,621 Everybody knows that. 38 00:02:12,621 --> 00:02:15,051 That's what makes them the center. 39 00:02:15,051 --> 00:02:22,361 The thing that is relevant or the thing 40 00:02:22,361 --> 00:02:27,341 that you do have to kind of keep in mind as you're 41 00:02:27,341 --> 00:02:32,321 writing if you choose to conceal your identity and sort of just 42 00:02:32,321 --> 00:02:35,561 go in with-- go with the flow, basically, 43 00:02:35,561 --> 00:02:38,651 is that you're effectively participating 44 00:02:38,651 --> 00:02:40,871 in your own marginalization. 45 00:02:40,871 --> 00:02:43,151 You're participating in that bigotry. 46 00:02:43,151 --> 00:02:44,901 You're complicit with it. 47 00:02:44,901 --> 00:02:47,471 And that's not necessarily a state 48 00:02:47,471 --> 00:02:48,811 that everybody wants to be in. 49 00:02:48,811 --> 00:02:50,561 So let's say that you're a writer, though, 50 00:02:50,561 --> 00:02:52,061 who wants to fight the power. 51 00:02:52,061 --> 00:02:54,611 You want to push back against that bigotry. 52 00:02:54,611 --> 00:02:59,441 You want to find a way to break in when the primary decision 53 00:02:59,441 --> 00:03:03,791 makers who determine whether your career happens or not 54 00:03:03,791 --> 00:03:07,301 are people who not only don't understand your identity, 55 00:03:07,301 --> 00:03:11,111 but may not even really believe that an audience exists 56 00:03:11,111 --> 00:03:12,756 for your identity. 57 00:03:12,756 --> 00:03:15,931 [MUSIC PLAYING] 58 00:03:19,331 --> 00:03:23,441 One of the feedback pieces that I got when I first 59 00:03:23,441 --> 00:03:26,531 tried to publish my true first professional novel, 60 00:03:26,531 --> 00:03:30,521 "The Killing Moon," was, an editor wrote back and said, 61 00:03:30,521 --> 00:03:34,091 I love this, but I'm not sure I know how to market it. 62 00:03:34,091 --> 00:03:36,671 And that sentence has never left my head. 63 00:03:36,671 --> 00:03:41,921 It's verbatim in my head because it immediately told me 64 00:03:41,921 --> 00:03:46,536 that this editor did not believe that Black people read books, 65 00:03:46,536 --> 00:03:48,161 did not believe that white people would 66 00:03:48,161 --> 00:03:51,581 buy a book about Black people or that featured Black people. 67 00:03:51,581 --> 00:03:54,251 Because "The Killing Moon" isn't about being Black. 68 00:03:54,251 --> 00:03:58,241 It's about ninja priests sucking dreams out of people's heads, 69 00:03:58,241 --> 00:04:04,161 but there were Black, and so this was apparently a problem. 70 00:04:04,161 --> 00:04:05,751 And so you've got to deal with that. 71 00:04:05,751 --> 00:04:11,591 You've got to be prepared to encounter some dog whistley 72 00:04:11,591 --> 00:04:14,771 bigotry and sometimes very blatant bigotry. 73 00:04:14,771 --> 00:04:18,491 I know other writers from marginalized groups 74 00:04:18,491 --> 00:04:23,651 whose characters have been rendered on cover art 75 00:04:23,651 --> 00:04:27,551 in these really kind of completely inaccurate ways. 76 00:04:27,551 --> 00:04:31,241 Black characters written as white, characters 77 00:04:31,241 --> 00:04:34,991 of one gender rendered is a completely different gender, 78 00:04:34,991 --> 00:04:38,021 people who are described in the text as fat 79 00:04:38,021 --> 00:04:42,281 and depicted as conventionally skinny and pretty. 80 00:04:42,281 --> 00:04:46,241 And so you've got to be prepared to encounter some of that 81 00:04:46,241 --> 00:04:49,391 and you've got to be prepared to fight, 82 00:04:49,391 --> 00:04:52,229 and you have to choose your battles. 83 00:04:52,229 --> 00:04:53,771 You have to choose which one of those 84 00:04:53,771 --> 00:04:58,091 battles you're willing to fight and die on a hill for. 85 00:04:58,091 --> 00:05:04,181 Some authors have had to accept completely inaccurate racist 86 00:05:04,181 --> 00:05:08,711 or otherwise bigoted cover art because the alternative 87 00:05:08,711 --> 00:05:11,441 was their voice did not get out there. 88 00:05:11,441 --> 00:05:14,681 Their stories did not get written. 89 00:05:14,681 --> 00:05:17,651 One of my favorite books by one of my favorite authors, 90 00:05:17,651 --> 00:05:19,841 "Dawn" by Octavia Butler. 91 00:05:19,841 --> 00:05:22,181 When I first encountered this book back 92 00:05:22,181 --> 00:05:24,491 in the '80s when she first started getting published, 93 00:05:24,491 --> 00:05:28,241 the book cover had an image of a white woman pulling 94 00:05:28,241 --> 00:05:32,021 another white woman out of some kind of weird alien plant. 95 00:05:32,021 --> 00:05:34,901 When you actually read the book, though, the protagonist 96 00:05:34,901 --> 00:05:37,901 of that story, the person who pulled the white woman out 97 00:05:37,901 --> 00:05:40,871 of the alien plant was herself a tall Black woman 98 00:05:40,871 --> 00:05:42,531 with an Igbo name. 99 00:05:42,531 --> 00:05:49,571 And so this is what she had to deal with in order to break in. 100 00:05:49,571 --> 00:05:51,911 If she hadn't existed in the industry, 101 00:05:51,911 --> 00:05:56,711 if her voice had not been out there, if her example 102 00:05:56,711 --> 00:05:59,681 and trailblazing had not happened, 103 00:05:59,681 --> 00:06:02,291 I might not be able to have a career even now 104 00:06:02,291 --> 00:06:03,971 because one of the reasons I chose 105 00:06:03,971 --> 00:06:05,831 to start trying to get published was 106 00:06:05,831 --> 00:06:09,101 because I knew Butler had had a thriving career 107 00:06:09,101 --> 00:06:10,581 in this business. 108 00:06:10,581 --> 00:06:12,671 But in order to have that thriving career, 109 00:06:12,671 --> 00:06:15,881 she had to swallow whitewashing on her book cover. 110 00:06:15,881 --> 00:06:18,191 You've got to decide how many of these battles 111 00:06:18,191 --> 00:06:21,101 are worth fighting and how hard you're willing to fight, 112 00:06:21,101 --> 00:06:22,241 but you do have to fight. 113 00:06:22,241 --> 00:06:25,097 [MUSIC PLAYING] 114 00:06:29,391 --> 00:06:33,171 I think it's absolutely crucial that if you 115 00:06:33,171 --> 00:06:36,801 are on the brink of becoming a published author 116 00:06:36,801 --> 00:06:39,801 and you get the opportunity to become a published author, 117 00:06:39,801 --> 00:06:43,011 you need to understand that you are not just 118 00:06:43,011 --> 00:06:45,471 writing for yourself anymore. 119 00:06:45,471 --> 00:06:49,941 There are people out there who need your example, who 120 00:06:49,941 --> 00:06:54,441 need you to go forth and fight that battle so they 121 00:06:54,441 --> 00:06:56,091 won't have to fight as hard. 122 00:06:56,091 --> 00:06:59,561 And it's worth it to fight that battle so that they won't have 123 00:06:59,561 --> 00:07:05,871 to fight as hard because if anybody sort of paved 124 00:07:05,871 --> 00:07:08,871 that way for you and made things a little easier for you, 125 00:07:08,871 --> 00:07:11,751 you kind of have an obligation to pay that forward. 126 00:07:11,751 --> 00:07:17,301 And understand that even if you feel like you've lost a battle, 127 00:07:17,301 --> 00:07:19,521 if your book is out there, your voice is out there, 128 00:07:19,521 --> 00:07:22,551 your face is out there, you're still helping. 129 00:07:22,551 --> 00:07:26,091 You're contributing literally just by existing. 130 00:07:26,091 --> 00:07:28,221 And if you can manage to do more than exist, 131 00:07:28,221 --> 00:07:31,071 if you cannot just survive, but thrive, 132 00:07:31,071 --> 00:07:35,486 then you may end up changing the industry ultimately. 133 00:07:35,486 --> 00:07:38,651 [MUSIC PLAYING] 134 00:07:42,451 --> 00:07:46,051 If you, like me, are a marginalized writer or a writer 135 00:07:46,051 --> 00:07:48,991 from a visibly known marginalized background, 136 00:07:48,991 --> 00:07:51,421 you're going to encounter some bigotry. 137 00:07:51,421 --> 00:07:53,101 It's unavoidable. 138 00:07:53,101 --> 00:07:58,051 That is the nature of the world that we live in in these days. 139 00:07:58,051 --> 00:08:02,071 As a Black woman in this business, 140 00:08:02,071 --> 00:08:04,224 I have had to deal with some shit. 141 00:08:04,224 --> 00:08:06,391 Most of it has come in the form of online harassment 142 00:08:06,391 --> 00:08:09,391 because my career kind of started after the internet. 143 00:08:09,391 --> 00:08:11,521 When I first published "The Hundred Thousands 144 00:08:11,521 --> 00:08:14,341 Kingdoms," my first published novel, shortly 145 00:08:14,341 --> 00:08:18,301 after it came out and I think got some nice favorable reviews 146 00:08:18,301 --> 00:08:22,721 in a few places, I got an email from someone who basically 147 00:08:22,721 --> 00:08:25,621 cussed me nine ways to Sunday. 148 00:08:25,621 --> 00:08:28,291 Told me that it was terrible that my book had gotten 149 00:08:28,291 --> 00:08:34,060 published as affirmative action and effectively 150 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:35,981 was a death threat. 151 00:08:35,981 --> 00:08:39,401 Said that if they ever saw me, they would teach me a lesson. 152 00:08:39,401 --> 00:08:41,021 So that was my first introduction 153 00:08:41,021 --> 00:08:46,481 to fan mail and things just kind of continued from there. 154 00:08:46,481 --> 00:08:50,231 My fan mail is a lot better these days and the people 155 00:08:50,231 --> 00:08:53,711 that I deal with, for the most part, 99% of them 156 00:08:53,711 --> 00:08:55,481 are absolutely fine. 157 00:08:55,481 --> 00:09:03,761 That 1% of [GROANS] people I've had some trouble with 158 00:09:03,761 --> 00:09:06,911 and I've had to kind of configure my life in such a way 159 00:09:06,911 --> 00:09:09,001 as to protect myself and be prepared for that. 160 00:09:09,001 --> 00:09:11,887 [MUSIC PLAYING] 161 00:09:15,261 --> 00:09:18,921 What you can do to prepare for it is make sure 162 00:09:18,921 --> 00:09:23,451 that you and the people close to you are as safe as they can be 163 00:09:23,451 --> 00:09:27,291 and then that you are in the safest 164 00:09:27,291 --> 00:09:30,471 possible position from which to choose your response. 165 00:09:30,471 --> 00:09:33,331 It's perfectly valid to have no response. 166 00:09:33,331 --> 00:09:35,781 It's perfectly valid to decide that you 167 00:09:35,781 --> 00:09:39,261 don't want to have that particular fight right now. 168 00:09:39,261 --> 00:09:40,731 There will be other fights. 169 00:09:40,731 --> 00:09:42,471 What you can do to prepare yourself 170 00:09:42,471 --> 00:09:46,581 includes sort of covering your online footprint, 171 00:09:46,581 --> 00:09:52,971 making sure that you are as removed as possible from easy 172 00:09:52,971 --> 00:09:56,481 methods of figuring out where you live, for example. 173 00:09:56,481 --> 00:09:58,791 Specific techniques that I've used 174 00:09:58,791 --> 00:10:02,241 have included things like sweeping the internet 175 00:10:02,241 --> 00:10:07,311 periodically for my name and address. 176 00:10:07,311 --> 00:10:11,121 If you self search, you will find engines 177 00:10:11,121 --> 00:10:14,331 like Spokeo or Whitepages where they've 178 00:10:14,331 --> 00:10:19,551 scraped people's addresses from public documents like leases 179 00:10:19,551 --> 00:10:25,131 or homebuyer documents, things like that. 180 00:10:25,131 --> 00:10:28,731 If you, at any point, have filed something with the city, 181 00:10:28,731 --> 00:10:31,281 then your personal information is public record 182 00:10:31,281 --> 00:10:33,771 and there are search engines out there 183 00:10:33,771 --> 00:10:35,931 whose job it is to scrape that data 184 00:10:35,931 --> 00:10:39,571 and sell it to whoever the heck wants to pay them for it, 185 00:10:39,571 --> 00:10:42,891 and that's a great way for you to eventually be doxed. 186 00:10:42,891 --> 00:10:45,981 You may want to sweep through those search engines 187 00:10:45,981 --> 00:10:47,181 and remove your name. 188 00:10:47,181 --> 00:10:49,076 You can do so. 189 00:10:49,076 --> 00:10:50,451 Another thing that I've had to do 190 00:10:50,451 --> 00:10:55,941 is I finally purchased a home after years 191 00:10:55,941 --> 00:10:59,481 of dreaming about being able to be a homeowner 192 00:10:59,481 --> 00:11:04,881 and I incorporated a shell company in order to do so. 193 00:11:04,881 --> 00:11:08,331 It's a pretty well-known technique 194 00:11:08,331 --> 00:11:11,541 used by big name folks who want to try and kind of cover 195 00:11:11,541 --> 00:11:13,161 their tracks. 196 00:11:13,161 --> 00:11:17,241 But then that way, city records of the home sale 197 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:19,941 will only list the name of whatever company 198 00:11:19,941 --> 00:11:22,851 it is that you've got and not your own individual name. 199 00:11:22,851 --> 00:11:24,591 You also want to make sure that you're 200 00:11:24,591 --> 00:11:28,401 using two-factor authentication on any of your social media 201 00:11:28,401 --> 00:11:31,641 outlets, really on anything that you're doing online. 202 00:11:31,641 --> 00:11:36,141 If you have the opportunity to put two-factor security on it, 203 00:11:36,141 --> 00:11:37,461 you should do so. 204 00:11:37,461 --> 00:11:41,156 You want to try and do basic internet self-protection things 205 00:11:41,156 --> 00:11:43,281 like making sure you're not using the same password 206 00:11:43,281 --> 00:11:46,341 everywhere, but you also want to make sure 207 00:11:46,341 --> 00:11:49,071 that you're doing a little bit more esoteric stuff. 208 00:11:49,071 --> 00:11:52,761 If you put pictures of yourself or your family online, 209 00:11:52,761 --> 00:11:55,881 look at the background before you put that out there. 210 00:11:55,881 --> 00:11:59,091 Look at where you are and consider 211 00:11:59,091 --> 00:12:01,281 whether anything in your background 212 00:12:01,281 --> 00:12:05,271 is revealing your location or the location of your home. 213 00:12:05,271 --> 00:12:07,011 Sometimes people will take selfies 214 00:12:07,011 --> 00:12:09,081 and they happen to have the street 215 00:12:09,081 --> 00:12:11,751 signs in the background that indicate 216 00:12:11,751 --> 00:12:14,481 what block they live on and what city, 217 00:12:14,481 --> 00:12:16,041 and you want to make sure that you're 218 00:12:16,041 --> 00:12:19,431 kind of being a little careful about that. 219 00:12:19,431 --> 00:12:21,231 Among other things, I also stopped 220 00:12:21,231 --> 00:12:24,531 announcing in advance, or very far in advance, 221 00:12:24,531 --> 00:12:27,501 where I was going to be at any given time. 222 00:12:27,501 --> 00:12:31,581 When I go on book tours and things like that, 223 00:12:31,581 --> 00:12:34,191 I often will not mention that I'm 224 00:12:34,191 --> 00:12:36,111 going to be in a particular location 225 00:12:36,111 --> 00:12:38,571 until just a day or two beforehand, 226 00:12:38,571 --> 00:12:40,791 and that's just a self protective measure. 227 00:12:40,791 --> 00:12:43,461 If you are going to go forth into the world 228 00:12:43,461 --> 00:12:45,381 and put your name out there attached 229 00:12:45,381 --> 00:12:48,951 to your ideas, your dreams, your beliefs, 230 00:12:48,951 --> 00:12:50,961 and if your ideas, dreams, or beliefs 231 00:12:50,961 --> 00:12:53,481 are in any way challenging to other people, 232 00:12:53,481 --> 00:12:56,301 then you need to make sure you're protecting yourself. 233 00:12:56,301 --> 00:12:59,241 Even something as simple as what name you choose to use. 234 00:12:59,241 --> 00:13:03,109 You may want to use a pen name and not put your real name out 235 00:13:03,109 --> 00:13:03,651 there at all. 236 00:13:03,651 --> 00:13:06,976 [MUSIC PLAYING] 237 00:13:10,311 --> 00:13:13,431 One of the resources that I use for how 238 00:13:13,431 --> 00:13:16,971 to cover my own tracks online and how to protect myself 239 00:13:16,971 --> 00:13:22,311 against this kind of potential harassment is Crash Override. 240 00:13:22,311 --> 00:13:24,981 Crash Override is a great organization that developed out 241 00:13:24,981 --> 00:13:27,981 of Gamergate, one of the better known 242 00:13:27,981 --> 00:13:32,181 horrible online harassment campaigns targeting women, 243 00:13:32,181 --> 00:13:34,431 and people of color, and Queer people 244 00:13:34,431 --> 00:13:37,371 who are in the gaming industry. 245 00:13:37,371 --> 00:13:40,941 And they have a resource page that's 246 00:13:40,941 --> 00:13:43,941 got some really good techniques and suggestions 247 00:13:43,941 --> 00:13:45,501 for how you can cover your tracks 248 00:13:45,501 --> 00:13:47,331 and protect yourself online. 249 00:13:47,331 --> 00:13:53,451 It may seem terrifying that you have to protect yourself 250 00:13:53,451 --> 00:13:59,571 in this manner just to exercise your creative self, 251 00:13:59,571 --> 00:14:02,431 but the world is what it is. 252 00:14:02,431 --> 00:14:08,021 And if you think of it this way, putting down 253 00:14:08,021 --> 00:14:11,091 the sort of initial steps of protecting yourself 254 00:14:11,091 --> 00:14:13,821 is part of your development as a writer as well. 255 00:14:13,821 --> 00:14:15,671 You are an anticipating fame. 256 00:14:15,671 --> 00:14:18,821 You are anticipating becoming super well-known and super 257 00:14:18,821 --> 00:14:20,801 popular and you are doing what you 258 00:14:20,801 --> 00:14:23,591 need to do to move in that direction safely. 259 00:14:23,591 --> 00:14:25,421 So don't be discouraged by the fact 260 00:14:25,421 --> 00:14:26,741 that you've got to do this. 261 00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:29,681 Just think of it as part of the preparation 262 00:14:29,681 --> 00:14:32,501 that you have to do to enter pretty much any profession, 263 00:14:32,501 --> 00:14:35,201 but especially one where you're going to be really visible. 264 00:14:35,201 --> 00:14:38,165 [MUSIC PLAYING] 265 00:14:42,121 --> 00:14:47,491 I'm not going to say that you shouldn't be demoralized. 266 00:14:47,491 --> 00:14:52,321 Those are valid feelings and the world should be more fair. 267 00:14:52,321 --> 00:14:54,391 It's grotesque that it isn't. 268 00:14:54,391 --> 00:14:57,211 And you're going to have to deal with that 269 00:14:57,211 --> 00:15:00,091 in pretty much every aspect of your existence. 270 00:15:00,091 --> 00:15:04,351 In your day job career, in the writing career, 271 00:15:04,351 --> 00:15:07,291 in walking down the street. 272 00:15:07,291 --> 00:15:09,121 If you are visibly marginalized, you're 273 00:15:09,121 --> 00:15:10,454 going to have to deal with that. 274 00:15:10,454 --> 00:15:13,711 If you are a disabled person looking for-- 275 00:15:13,711 --> 00:15:16,171 just trying to get through your day, 276 00:15:16,171 --> 00:15:19,171 you're going to have to deal with the lack of accommodation 277 00:15:19,171 --> 00:15:22,101 everywhere and so on. 278 00:15:22,101 --> 00:15:27,131 The reason to keep fighting is so that things can get better. 279 00:15:27,131 --> 00:15:32,411 And it's a constant drain. 280 00:15:32,411 --> 00:15:34,191 It's a constant war. 281 00:15:34,191 --> 00:15:38,981 It's a war that you know will not end in your lifetime. 282 00:15:38,981 --> 00:15:43,001 And you're going to get tired of fighting at various points. 283 00:15:43,001 --> 00:15:45,071 You're going to need to find ways 284 00:15:45,071 --> 00:15:49,451 to recharge from that fight at various points. 285 00:15:49,451 --> 00:15:52,961 If you need to stop trying to get published for a while, 286 00:15:52,961 --> 00:15:58,271 take a break, breathe, and kind of remind yourself of what's 287 00:15:58,271 --> 00:16:00,741 important to you, then do that. 288 00:16:00,741 --> 00:16:02,141 But come back. 289 00:16:02,141 --> 00:16:06,371 Because at the end of the day, your struggle 290 00:16:06,371 --> 00:16:11,161 and your sacrifice make someone else's life 291 00:16:11,161 --> 00:16:13,381 that much easier in the future. 292 00:16:13,381 --> 00:16:16,291 And I'm blunt about the fact that I would not 293 00:16:16,291 --> 00:16:19,741 be here if Octavia Butler had not dealt with all the crap 294 00:16:19,741 --> 00:16:20,521 that she had. 295 00:16:20,521 --> 00:16:21,931 I don't write anything like her. 296 00:16:21,931 --> 00:16:24,401 I'm not really trying to be her or anything like that. 297 00:16:24,401 --> 00:16:29,431 But just the fact that she, as a tall, heavyset, deep voice, 298 00:16:29,431 --> 00:16:32,701 dark skinned Black woman, was able to walk 299 00:16:32,701 --> 00:16:37,921 into this incredibly white establishment that is science 300 00:16:37,921 --> 00:16:42,571 fiction's sort of upper echelon, and she blew it out 301 00:16:42,571 --> 00:16:43,231 of the water. 302 00:16:43,231 --> 00:16:47,851 She did an amazing job with her work. 303 00:16:47,851 --> 00:16:52,141 Her writing leaves a mark and changes 304 00:16:52,141 --> 00:16:56,041 anyone who reads it of whatever background. 305 00:16:56,041 --> 00:16:59,591 She changed the industry by being here. 306 00:16:59,591 --> 00:17:03,331 I do not aspire to have that same impact. 307 00:17:03,331 --> 00:17:05,671 Whether I do or not will depend on my work. 308 00:17:05,671 --> 00:17:08,761 I leave that to history to decide. 309 00:17:08,761 --> 00:17:13,711 But I am aware of the fact that, just by striving, 310 00:17:13,711 --> 00:17:16,501 other people will be inspired to do it too, 311 00:17:16,501 --> 00:17:19,291 and together, we rise. 312 00:17:19,291 --> 00:17:22,641 [MUSIC PLAYING] 24791

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