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JEMISIN: Just looking at something with your name on it 3 00:00:03,891 --> 00:00:06,231 that you wrote, that you put out into the world, 4 00:00:06,231 --> 00:00:08,481 and it looks great, that's a wonderful feeling. 5 00:00:08,481 --> 00:00:11,181 And that in and of itself is a great reason to publish. 6 00:00:11,181 --> 00:00:14,103 [MUSIC PLAYING] 7 00:00:18,981 --> 00:00:21,501 Now it's probably time for us to start 8 00:00:21,501 --> 00:00:24,381 talking about the actual process of publication 9 00:00:24,381 --> 00:00:26,511 and how to survive as a professional writer 10 00:00:26,511 --> 00:00:29,511 if you decide to dip into these waters. 11 00:00:29,511 --> 00:00:32,301 Now, I've given many talks on this before. 12 00:00:32,301 --> 00:00:34,431 And I've actually created some notes for myself. 13 00:00:34,431 --> 00:00:36,473 So I'm going to be referring to those throughout. 14 00:00:36,473 --> 00:00:39,201 [MUSIC PLAYING] 15 00:00:43,131 --> 00:00:45,351 Is it possible for you to become a published writer? 16 00:00:45,351 --> 00:00:47,631 Yes. 17 00:00:47,631 --> 00:00:50,181 It is possible for anyone to publish these days 18 00:00:50,181 --> 00:00:52,611 because the self-publishing boom has sort of 19 00:00:52,611 --> 00:00:54,591 taken over the world. 20 00:00:54,591 --> 00:00:56,691 And you don't even have to be good. 21 00:00:56,691 --> 00:00:58,191 You don't have to write a good book. 22 00:00:58,191 --> 00:00:59,931 You don't have to write a book. 23 00:00:59,931 --> 00:01:03,381 It can be a collection of recipes. 24 00:01:03,381 --> 00:01:06,771 It can be whatever you want to publish if you choose to do so. 25 00:01:06,771 --> 00:01:08,451 Now, that said, if you're looking 26 00:01:08,451 --> 00:01:10,851 to make a career as a professional writer, that's 27 00:01:10,851 --> 00:01:13,081 a different story. 28 00:01:13,081 --> 00:01:15,381 And then we're talking self publishing 29 00:01:15,381 --> 00:01:17,631 is still a possibility there. 30 00:01:17,631 --> 00:01:20,541 But traditional publishing and hybrid models 31 00:01:20,541 --> 00:01:22,311 are something we should talk about. 32 00:01:22,311 --> 00:01:29,091 Now, with the caveat that I am primarily a traditional writer, 33 00:01:29,091 --> 00:01:32,431 we'll talk a little bit about the different ways to break in. 34 00:01:32,431 --> 00:01:35,571 But because I am a traditionally published writer 35 00:01:35,571 --> 00:01:42,591 who has a publisher, I don't do any of my own marketing or book 36 00:01:42,591 --> 00:01:44,966 jackets or anything like that, that's 37 00:01:44,966 --> 00:01:47,091 the main thing I'm going to speak to because that's 38 00:01:47,091 --> 00:01:49,111 what I'm most familiar with. 39 00:01:49,111 --> 00:01:51,441 It's still very possible to break in 40 00:01:51,441 --> 00:01:53,631 via traditional publishing. 41 00:01:53,631 --> 00:01:57,561 And in fact, if you want to do certain kinds of publishing, 42 00:01:57,561 --> 00:02:00,646 traditional publishing is still the best method to do so. 43 00:02:00,646 --> 00:02:03,021 But there's absolutely nothing wrong with self publishing 44 00:02:03,021 --> 00:02:03,811 either. 45 00:02:03,811 --> 00:02:05,931 It's really kind of dependent on what your goal is 46 00:02:05,931 --> 00:02:08,720 and what you're hoping to get out of the publishing process. 47 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,631 I want to warn people at this point 48 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:14,391 that we're going to do real talk here. 49 00:02:14,391 --> 00:02:18,171 And it's possibly going to be discouraging. 50 00:02:18,171 --> 00:02:22,191 It may be intimidating or uncomfortable. 51 00:02:22,191 --> 00:02:24,861 I want to be honest, though, about your chances 52 00:02:24,861 --> 00:02:28,071 and about the hardships that you're going to face. 53 00:02:28,071 --> 00:02:32,421 And we'll talk positively about, you know, the benefits, too. 54 00:02:32,421 --> 00:02:33,586 But you know, I'm not-- 55 00:02:33,586 --> 00:02:35,461 I'm not trying to sell you on the thing here. 56 00:02:35,461 --> 00:02:37,581 I'm actually trying to do the opposite. 57 00:02:37,581 --> 00:02:42,471 If you don't 100% commit to the idea of trying 58 00:02:42,471 --> 00:02:44,898 to get published, it doesn't make sense to try it. 59 00:02:44,898 --> 00:02:45,981 It's a waste of your time. 60 00:02:45,981 --> 00:02:47,901 It's a big waste of money. 61 00:02:47,901 --> 00:02:51,531 And it's a heartbreaker that's kind of waiting to happen. 62 00:02:51,531 --> 00:02:54,411 [MUSIC PLAYING] 63 00:02:57,291 --> 00:02:59,411 So the first question that you want to answer 64 00:02:59,411 --> 00:03:02,231 is whether you want to publish in the first place. 65 00:03:02,231 --> 00:03:04,811 You don't have to publish to be a writer. 66 00:03:04,811 --> 00:03:07,931 You are a writer from the moment that you start to write. 67 00:03:07,931 --> 00:03:10,091 So don't feel like publication is absolutely 68 00:03:10,091 --> 00:03:12,251 necessary for that process. 69 00:03:12,251 --> 00:03:14,771 But there are some benefits and consequences 70 00:03:14,771 --> 00:03:16,631 to publishing that you want to maybe-- 71 00:03:16,631 --> 00:03:18,381 maybe consider. 72 00:03:18,381 --> 00:03:20,291 So the pros of publication are that you 73 00:03:20,291 --> 00:03:23,711 get other people to read your work, people beyond just 74 00:03:23,711 --> 00:03:26,261 your immediate family. 75 00:03:26,261 --> 00:03:29,291 But you can disseminate your work more widely 76 00:03:29,291 --> 00:03:31,661 to a larger number of people. 77 00:03:31,661 --> 00:03:35,861 You may be able to have a little income sidelined from this 78 00:03:35,861 --> 00:03:37,919 if you are moderately successful. 79 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:40,211 You don't have to be wildly successful to get money out 80 00:03:40,211 --> 00:03:40,711 of writing. 81 00:03:40,711 --> 00:03:44,991 You can make a few grand a year out of this, you know, easily. 82 00:03:44,991 --> 00:03:46,641 It may not be enough to live on. 83 00:03:46,641 --> 00:03:49,121 And you may not be able to become a full-time writer. 84 00:03:49,121 --> 00:03:52,151 But you can at least sort of supplement your income with it. 85 00:03:52,151 --> 00:03:54,581 And, ultimately, you get the bragging rights 86 00:03:54,581 --> 00:03:57,581 and the positive feeling of having a book of your own 87 00:03:57,581 --> 00:03:58,328 in your hands. 88 00:03:58,328 --> 00:04:00,911 And I'm going to tell you right now that's a wonderful feeling 89 00:04:00,911 --> 00:04:01,931 to have. 90 00:04:01,931 --> 00:04:05,081 Just looking at something with your name on it that you wrote, 91 00:04:05,081 --> 00:04:08,291 that you put out into the world, and it looks great, 92 00:04:08,291 --> 00:04:09,821 that's-- that's a wonderful feeling. 93 00:04:09,821 --> 00:04:12,701 And that in and of itself is a great reason to publish. 94 00:04:12,701 --> 00:04:14,681 The problems associated with publication 95 00:04:14,681 --> 00:04:17,230 or the-- the negative piece of that 96 00:04:17,230 --> 00:04:19,811 is that you're putting yourself out there. 97 00:04:19,811 --> 00:04:22,331 You're going to put your work out in front of other people. 98 00:04:22,331 --> 00:04:25,151 And those other people may not like it. 99 00:04:25,151 --> 00:04:28,301 And they may tell you to your face that, you know, 100 00:04:28,301 --> 00:04:29,771 this book is not good. 101 00:04:29,771 --> 00:04:33,491 And after you've put a lot of period of your life, 102 00:04:33,491 --> 00:04:36,731 like if you've put like years or months of your life 103 00:04:36,731 --> 00:04:39,881 into writing this book, you've poured your soul 104 00:04:39,881 --> 00:04:41,621 onto this paper, and you-- 105 00:04:41,621 --> 00:04:44,201 you care so much about it, hearing somebody 106 00:04:44,201 --> 00:04:46,751 say that this book is not good is kind of like being 107 00:04:46,751 --> 00:04:48,641 told your baby is ugly. 108 00:04:48,641 --> 00:04:52,359 And you know, that-- that's a hard thing to take. 109 00:04:52,359 --> 00:04:54,749 [MUSIC PLAYING] 110 00:04:58,036 --> 00:05:00,411 Another good reason that you may want to seek publication 111 00:05:00,411 --> 00:05:02,481 is because you can actually write off 112 00:05:02,481 --> 00:05:06,201 the expenses associated-- associated with this process. 113 00:05:06,201 --> 00:05:09,441 See, becoming published means becoming 114 00:05:09,441 --> 00:05:11,541 a self-employed business person. 115 00:05:11,541 --> 00:05:17,271 You are taking on the risks as well as the potential profits 116 00:05:17,271 --> 00:05:21,171 of becoming an artist who is a professional who makes money 117 00:05:21,171 --> 00:05:22,761 off of your art. 118 00:05:22,761 --> 00:05:25,281 So that means that if you want to travel going forward 119 00:05:25,281 --> 00:05:29,391 in the future, if you decided to do a family vacation, 120 00:05:29,391 --> 00:05:33,441 and you add a component to that vacation that is research, 121 00:05:33,441 --> 00:05:35,871 then you can write off the expenses associated 122 00:05:35,871 --> 00:05:37,858 with that part of the vacation. 123 00:05:37,858 --> 00:05:39,441 And you'll have to have a conversation 124 00:05:39,441 --> 00:05:41,001 with your accountant about it. 125 00:05:41,001 --> 00:05:43,431 If the IRS comes for you, please don't tell them 126 00:05:43,431 --> 00:05:46,191 that NK Jemisin told you to do this because then they'll 127 00:05:46,191 --> 00:05:47,271 come after me. 128 00:05:47,271 --> 00:05:52,081 But you can write off some of that. 129 00:05:52,081 --> 00:05:55,041 And so that's a great way to sort of 130 00:05:55,041 --> 00:05:58,791 make it worthwhile to make that investment and to try. 131 00:05:58,791 --> 00:06:00,381 You also have to consider the fact 132 00:06:00,381 --> 00:06:03,891 that you are a self-employed business person. 133 00:06:03,891 --> 00:06:07,401 And your business might not inherently be successful. 134 00:06:07,401 --> 00:06:10,041 You might not even be moderately successful. 135 00:06:10,041 --> 00:06:14,553 You may write off your losses on your taxes for several years, 136 00:06:14,553 --> 00:06:16,011 and then you're going to hit a cap. 137 00:06:16,011 --> 00:06:18,771 There's-- there's a limit to the number of years that you can do 138 00:06:18,771 --> 00:06:19,791 that. 139 00:06:19,791 --> 00:06:23,115 And at that point, you have to decide if you want to continue. 140 00:06:23,115 --> 00:06:25,959 [MUSIC PLAYING] 141 00:06:29,126 --> 00:06:30,501 So an important question that you 142 00:06:30,501 --> 00:06:33,141 need to ask at the start of the process is, 143 00:06:33,141 --> 00:06:37,101 how do you want to enter the publishing world? 144 00:06:37,101 --> 00:06:39,801 I like to use the metaphor, probably 145 00:06:39,801 --> 00:06:42,021 because I'm a science fiction writer, 146 00:06:42,021 --> 00:06:46,071 of traveling through space as the process of trying 147 00:06:46,071 --> 00:06:48,501 to seek publication. 148 00:06:48,501 --> 00:06:52,941 You need a spaceship to kind of carry you into this place. 149 00:06:52,941 --> 00:06:56,331 It is a hostile environment, the publishing world, just 150 00:06:56,331 --> 00:06:57,861 like space. 151 00:06:57,861 --> 00:07:01,191 And so you want to pick the method of traveling 152 00:07:01,191 --> 00:07:03,861 through this hostile environment that's going to be best for you 153 00:07:03,861 --> 00:07:05,236 and what it is that you're hoping 154 00:07:05,236 --> 00:07:06,831 to get out of the process. 155 00:07:06,831 --> 00:07:08,301 What kind of spaceship, basically, 156 00:07:08,301 --> 00:07:10,701 do you want to fly around in? 157 00:07:10,701 --> 00:07:14,121 Do you want to build the spaceship yourself? 158 00:07:14,121 --> 00:07:16,821 Are you 100% DIY on the spaceship front? 159 00:07:16,821 --> 00:07:19,341 You want to be your own personal SpaceX, whatever 160 00:07:19,341 --> 00:07:21,771 you want to call that. 161 00:07:21,771 --> 00:07:24,531 You know, you're self publishing at that point. 162 00:07:24,531 --> 00:07:26,911 With self publication, as I mentioned, 163 00:07:26,911 --> 00:07:30,801 you're going to have to be doing a lot of different roles. 164 00:07:30,801 --> 00:07:32,871 And that's not necessarily a bad thing. 165 00:07:32,871 --> 00:07:35,226 If you want to control the way that your book looks, 166 00:07:35,226 --> 00:07:37,101 if you want to make sure that the book art is 167 00:07:37,101 --> 00:07:41,091 exactly what you want it to be, and you want complete control 168 00:07:41,091 --> 00:07:44,391 over, that you want the text to look a certain way, 169 00:07:44,391 --> 00:07:48,831 you want the the type of paper to be a certain texture, 170 00:07:48,831 --> 00:07:50,631 you want to be hardcover, and you 171 00:07:50,631 --> 00:07:53,541 don't want anybody else to tell you that hardcover is maybe 172 00:07:53,541 --> 00:07:56,121 not the best way to start out your career, 173 00:07:56,121 --> 00:07:58,804 then self publishing is for you. 174 00:07:58,804 --> 00:08:01,762 [MUSIC PLAYING] 175 00:08:04,721 --> 00:08:08,311 So there's a couple of good and bad aspects to self publishing 176 00:08:08,311 --> 00:08:09,901 that I can talk about. 177 00:08:09,901 --> 00:08:11,611 First and foremost, you're going to get 178 00:08:11,611 --> 00:08:13,831 to keep 100% of the profits. 179 00:08:13,831 --> 00:08:16,141 When you are published traditionally, 180 00:08:16,141 --> 00:08:17,491 the publisher takes a cut. 181 00:08:17,491 --> 00:08:19,658 If you don't want to give that cut to somebody else, 182 00:08:19,658 --> 00:08:20,731 then fine. 183 00:08:20,731 --> 00:08:23,079 Do self publishing. 184 00:08:23,079 --> 00:08:24,871 Another thing that you have to keep in mind 185 00:08:24,871 --> 00:08:27,121 is that it's a lot more work. 186 00:08:27,121 --> 00:08:28,951 You're not just the writer here. 187 00:08:28,951 --> 00:08:31,501 And you're going to have to wear a lot of hats. 188 00:08:31,501 --> 00:08:35,341 If you have a lot of expertise in a different area, 189 00:08:35,341 --> 00:08:40,950 if as a hobby you're already an artist, a visual artist, 190 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:43,111 if in your day job you're already 191 00:08:43,111 --> 00:08:45,781 working in PR or marketing, then it 192 00:08:45,781 --> 00:08:48,331 can be a good idea to be a self publisher because then you 193 00:08:48,331 --> 00:08:52,531 can combine your talent for writing with this other thing 194 00:08:52,531 --> 00:08:53,626 that you're already doing. 195 00:08:53,626 --> 00:08:55,501 But if you're going to have to teach yourself 196 00:08:55,501 --> 00:08:58,351 this stuff from scratch, you may not want to-- 197 00:08:58,351 --> 00:09:00,241 may not want to go that route. 198 00:09:00,241 --> 00:09:03,481 It may be a lot for you to teach yourself. 199 00:09:03,481 --> 00:09:05,671 And you may not be very good at those other pieces 200 00:09:05,671 --> 00:09:08,161 that you haven't been doing as much as the writing. 201 00:09:08,161 --> 00:09:10,501 Another thing to consider with self publishing 202 00:09:10,501 --> 00:09:13,771 is that you have limited distribution. 203 00:09:13,771 --> 00:09:16,141 It's difficult to sell foreign rights 204 00:09:16,141 --> 00:09:18,571 as a self-published person. 205 00:09:18,571 --> 00:09:20,731 You basically need to be willing to go 206 00:09:20,731 --> 00:09:25,111 to things like the Frankfurt Book Festival in Germany 207 00:09:25,111 --> 00:09:27,601 and to book fairs around the world. 208 00:09:27,601 --> 00:09:31,711 And you need to be able to have a close relationship 209 00:09:31,711 --> 00:09:35,173 with publishers in other countries and other languages. 210 00:09:35,173 --> 00:09:37,381 And that may not be something that the average person 211 00:09:37,381 --> 00:09:39,151 can easily do. 212 00:09:39,151 --> 00:09:41,251 So you're also going to have difficulty 213 00:09:41,251 --> 00:09:42,611 getting into libraries. 214 00:09:42,611 --> 00:09:45,151 There are so many self-published books out there 215 00:09:45,151 --> 00:09:49,171 that many libraries don't even stock self-published books. 216 00:09:49,171 --> 00:09:49,801 They can't. 217 00:09:49,801 --> 00:09:51,401 There's just too many. 218 00:09:51,401 --> 00:09:53,191 And so they limit themselves. 219 00:09:53,191 --> 00:09:56,971 And they're able to make enough room for the books 220 00:09:56,971 --> 00:09:59,731 that they want to-- want to get out there to the public 221 00:09:59,731 --> 00:10:03,241 by limiting themselves to traditionally published books. 222 00:10:03,241 --> 00:10:07,051 So if you want to be read as widely as possible, 223 00:10:07,051 --> 00:10:09,251 self publishing may not be the ideal. 224 00:10:09,251 --> 00:10:12,191 [MUSIC PLAYING] 225 00:10:15,141 --> 00:10:19,071 Traditional publishing is hitchhiking on somebody else's 226 00:10:19,071 --> 00:10:23,181 spaceship if you want to think about it that way, you know. 227 00:10:23,181 --> 00:10:25,244 And it can be a small spaceship. 228 00:10:25,244 --> 00:10:26,661 There are lots of small publishers 229 00:10:26,661 --> 00:10:28,461 out there and small presses. 230 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:33,801 Or it can be know basically a high liner, 231 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:39,561 or it can be something like a cruise ship among ships 232 00:10:39,561 --> 00:10:41,241 that travel through space. 233 00:10:41,241 --> 00:10:43,131 But what it means is that you're giving up 234 00:10:43,131 --> 00:10:44,331 a certain amount of control. 235 00:10:44,331 --> 00:10:46,011 You're not flying that ship. 236 00:10:46,011 --> 00:10:49,491 So you're not going to be able to, in some cases, 237 00:10:49,491 --> 00:10:53,661 stop them from publishing a book cover that you don't like. 238 00:10:53,661 --> 00:10:55,281 They have marketing people. 239 00:10:55,281 --> 00:10:57,621 And their marketing people have done their own marketing 240 00:10:57,621 --> 00:10:58,521 research. 241 00:10:58,521 --> 00:11:00,729 And they're going to listen to those marketing people 242 00:11:00,729 --> 00:11:03,621 before they listen to you on what that character should 243 00:11:03,621 --> 00:11:04,371 look like. 244 00:11:04,371 --> 00:11:06,711 Now, if you're lucky, and you get a good publisher, 245 00:11:06,711 --> 00:11:09,681 that publisher will obviously want the author 246 00:11:09,681 --> 00:11:12,888 to be happy with the end result of-- of the book. 247 00:11:12,888 --> 00:11:14,721 So they're going to at least run it past you 248 00:11:14,721 --> 00:11:16,311 and ask you what you think about it 249 00:11:16,311 --> 00:11:18,601 and hopefully listen to that. 250 00:11:18,601 --> 00:11:20,931 But at the end of the day, the decision making power 251 00:11:20,931 --> 00:11:22,611 does not lie with you when you've 252 00:11:22,611 --> 00:11:25,261 chosen the traditional publishing model. 253 00:11:25,261 --> 00:11:28,881 On the other hand, the risk doesn't lie with you either. 254 00:11:28,881 --> 00:11:31,881 With self publishing, you keep 100% of the profits 255 00:11:31,881 --> 00:11:34,971 because you put in 100% of the investment. 256 00:11:34,971 --> 00:11:37,611 With flying on somebody else's spaceship, 257 00:11:37,611 --> 00:11:41,061 with traditional publishing, you are not 258 00:11:41,061 --> 00:11:42,891 assuming the bulk of the risk. 259 00:11:42,891 --> 00:11:46,191 The publisher is paying all these other professionals 260 00:11:46,191 --> 00:11:47,451 to help work with you. 261 00:11:47,451 --> 00:11:51,801 The publisher is opening the door with the distributor 262 00:11:51,801 --> 00:11:56,061 by having meetings with them, by wining and dining them, 263 00:11:56,061 --> 00:11:59,691 by establishing years-long relationships with them. 264 00:11:59,691 --> 00:12:03,681 The publisher is sending people to foreign markets 265 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:06,891 to have conversations with publishers there. 266 00:12:06,891 --> 00:12:08,961 The publisher is opening the doors 267 00:12:08,961 --> 00:12:12,231 with schools and libraries and things like that. 268 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:15,321 So you-- you don't get 100% of the profit 269 00:12:15,321 --> 00:12:17,541 because all those people need to make money, too. 270 00:12:17,541 --> 00:12:19,491 In that whole chain of-- 271 00:12:19,491 --> 00:12:22,491 of traditional publishing, there are literally 272 00:12:22,491 --> 00:12:24,651 dozens of people that are profiting off 273 00:12:24,651 --> 00:12:27,751 of that book as well as you. 274 00:12:27,751 --> 00:12:29,721 But on the other hand, you know, you 275 00:12:29,721 --> 00:12:31,341 don't have to put any initial outlay. 276 00:12:31,341 --> 00:12:33,481 All you do is write a book. 277 00:12:33,481 --> 00:12:36,411 The reason I ended up choosing traditional publishing is 278 00:12:36,411 --> 00:12:38,511 because of a combination of I didn't 279 00:12:38,511 --> 00:12:41,121 want to put that much work in. 280 00:12:41,121 --> 00:12:44,541 I wanted the bulk of my work to be in writing. 281 00:12:44,541 --> 00:12:45,711 Writing is my talent. 282 00:12:45,711 --> 00:12:47,031 It's the thing I love to do. 283 00:12:47,031 --> 00:12:48,591 It's the thing I know I'm good at. 284 00:12:48,591 --> 00:12:51,531 I can't draw a lick, you know. 285 00:12:51,531 --> 00:12:53,901 I don't know how to do marketing. 286 00:12:53,901 --> 00:12:57,771 I know how to schmooze and talk to people and have, you know, 287 00:12:57,771 --> 00:12:58,881 normal conversations. 288 00:12:58,881 --> 00:13:00,501 But I don't speak German. 289 00:13:00,501 --> 00:13:04,941 I am not going to be able to schmooze a publisher in a-- 290 00:13:04,941 --> 00:13:06,681 in a foreign language. 291 00:13:06,681 --> 00:13:09,441 So the reason that I chose to do it 292 00:13:09,441 --> 00:13:11,451 was because I wanted to be distributed 293 00:13:11,451 --> 00:13:13,791 as widely as possible. 294 00:13:13,791 --> 00:13:18,201 On a personal note, I grew up reading books 295 00:13:18,201 --> 00:13:21,921 by authors that I absolutely loved at the library. 296 00:13:21,921 --> 00:13:26,241 I spent hours of time at the library when I was a child. 297 00:13:26,241 --> 00:13:30,051 And I wanted my books to be accessible to kids 298 00:13:30,051 --> 00:13:33,231 like me the way that I got exposed 299 00:13:33,231 --> 00:13:35,961 to reading at the library. 300 00:13:35,961 --> 00:13:39,681 And traditional publication was the main way to go to get that. 301 00:13:39,681 --> 00:13:43,611 Also, for me, film rights were a little easier to sell 302 00:13:43,611 --> 00:13:46,131 because I had a traditional publisher. 303 00:13:46,131 --> 00:13:49,551 Now, at the end of the day, anybody 304 00:13:49,551 --> 00:13:54,081 that sees a book in Hollywood can 305 00:13:54,081 --> 00:13:56,781 decide that they want to buy the rights to produce 306 00:13:56,781 --> 00:13:58,551 that book in a film format. 307 00:13:58,551 --> 00:14:02,571 It's easier for people in the movie industry 308 00:14:02,571 --> 00:14:06,321 to find books that have a lot of publisher buzz behind them. 309 00:14:06,321 --> 00:14:09,561 That's that marketing that the publisher is paying for. 310 00:14:09,561 --> 00:14:11,331 A traditional publisher in a lot of cases 311 00:14:11,331 --> 00:14:15,771 is able to get you reviews in really well-known markets 312 00:14:15,771 --> 00:14:18,171 like "The New York Times," which I used to review for. 313 00:14:18,171 --> 00:14:21,381 So they're able to build up a lot of word of mouth and buzz 314 00:14:21,381 --> 00:14:24,511 that will help you get the attention of Hollywood agents. 315 00:14:24,511 --> 00:14:26,601 So if you really want to sell film rights, 316 00:14:26,601 --> 00:14:29,961 if you want to sell any kind of adaptation rights, 317 00:14:29,961 --> 00:14:35,631 be that into a play or some other format, 318 00:14:35,631 --> 00:14:40,091 you need to be out there as widely distributed as possible. 24625

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