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JEMISIN: We instinctively feel more connection 3 00:00:06,121 --> 00:00:10,141 with a person who we see going through this process of trying 4 00:00:10,141 --> 00:00:13,201 to decide who they want to be and then making that decision 5 00:00:13,201 --> 00:00:14,821 and then going forward. 6 00:00:14,821 --> 00:00:16,531 We like to root for an underdog. 7 00:00:16,531 --> 00:00:19,483 [MUSIC PLAYING] 8 00:00:23,911 --> 00:00:26,791 When you're trying to create a new story, 9 00:00:26,791 --> 00:00:29,941 or when you're trying to create the-- the plot of a story, 10 00:00:29,941 --> 00:00:31,711 you've probably heard people refer 11 00:00:31,711 --> 00:00:34,501 to a typical three-part plot arc. 12 00:00:34,501 --> 00:00:36,431 That's just basically a beginning, a middle, 13 00:00:36,431 --> 00:00:37,121 and an end. 14 00:00:37,121 --> 00:00:39,901 You start off with the character in a basic state. 15 00:00:39,901 --> 00:00:44,111 You carry the characters through a period of rising action. 16 00:00:44,111 --> 00:00:45,361 You hit a climax. 17 00:00:45,361 --> 00:00:47,881 Usually that's where there's a big fight or something that 18 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:48,701 happens. 19 00:00:48,701 --> 00:00:50,461 Then there's a period of falling action, 20 00:00:50,461 --> 00:00:55,201 and then maybe you have a coda or a resolution thereafter. 21 00:00:55,201 --> 00:00:58,771 And a typical character arc follows a similar format. 22 00:00:58,771 --> 00:01:01,759 [MUSIC PLAYING] 23 00:01:05,251 --> 00:01:08,611 A character plot arc can take both 24 00:01:08,611 --> 00:01:10,906 the internal and external form. 25 00:01:10,906 --> 00:01:13,531 We're going to talk first about the externally-driven character 26 00:01:13,531 --> 00:01:14,531 arc. 27 00:01:14,531 --> 00:01:18,611 Now, that also comes in three stages, a beginning, a middle, 28 00:01:18,611 --> 00:01:19,621 and an end. 29 00:01:19,621 --> 00:01:21,931 What I use as terminology for this 30 00:01:21,931 --> 00:01:25,141 is the character's first in a steady state. 31 00:01:25,141 --> 00:01:27,211 It can be a kind of complacent state, 32 00:01:27,211 --> 00:01:29,611 where they feel comfortable, are just 33 00:01:29,611 --> 00:01:32,401 going about their daily lives, their day-to-day commute, 34 00:01:32,401 --> 00:01:33,721 whatever. 35 00:01:33,721 --> 00:01:35,611 Then there's an inciting incident, 36 00:01:35,611 --> 00:01:39,961 something that impacts them on a-- on a huge level. 37 00:01:39,961 --> 00:01:43,231 Inciting incidents can take a lot of different forms, 38 00:01:43,231 --> 00:01:47,461 and not all readers are going to be interested in all inciting 39 00:01:47,461 --> 00:01:48,721 incidents. 40 00:01:48,721 --> 00:01:51,781 This is why when you do see an externally-driven character 41 00:01:51,781 --> 00:01:56,821 arc, usually it's kind of important to spend 42 00:01:56,821 --> 00:01:59,101 some time establishing that this character is 43 00:01:59,101 --> 00:02:04,361 interesting and worth following, worth caring about. 44 00:02:04,361 --> 00:02:06,961 So it's a good idea with an externally-driven character arc 45 00:02:06,961 --> 00:02:10,231 to actually start in that steady state with the character, 46 00:02:10,231 --> 00:02:14,041 because then you have time to explore the person's character, 47 00:02:14,041 --> 00:02:16,981 make them someone that the audience will empathize with, 48 00:02:16,981 --> 00:02:19,121 and then when this terrible thing happens, 49 00:02:19,121 --> 00:02:21,631 then we care what happens to them. 50 00:02:21,631 --> 00:02:24,031 There are all sorts of disaster movies out there. 51 00:02:24,031 --> 00:02:26,701 There's so many disaster movies that it's actually 52 00:02:26,701 --> 00:02:29,581 hard to care when a character ends up in, you know, 53 00:02:29,581 --> 00:02:32,911 aliens attacking or whatever. 54 00:02:32,911 --> 00:02:36,811 But if we've had some time to get to know the character, 55 00:02:36,811 --> 00:02:40,051 get to like the character, then we can move forward. 56 00:02:40,051 --> 00:02:43,381 In the movie "Independence Day," we spend a good bit of time 57 00:02:43,381 --> 00:02:45,406 with the protagonist, Will Smith. 58 00:02:45,406 --> 00:02:47,281 There are several protagonists in that movie, 59 00:02:47,281 --> 00:02:51,001 but the most time that the camera kind of focuses in on 60 00:02:51,001 --> 00:02:56,041 is showing us his life, his partner, his relationships, 61 00:02:56,041 --> 00:02:58,231 his adoptive son. 62 00:02:58,231 --> 00:03:01,681 And then the inciting incident happens in a moment 63 00:03:01,681 --> 00:03:03,691 that we can completely empathize with. 64 00:03:03,691 --> 00:03:05,341 He's gotten up. 65 00:03:05,341 --> 00:03:07,171 He's going to the bathroom. 66 00:03:07,171 --> 00:03:09,571 He's just going about his regular day. 67 00:03:09,571 --> 00:03:13,561 We see in every way that he is an every man, 68 00:03:13,561 --> 00:03:16,671 and then we feel that kind of-- 69 00:03:16,671 --> 00:03:21,421 the-- the visceral, scary, disturbing moment 70 00:03:21,421 --> 00:03:24,691 when he realizes that his entire world has changed forever. 71 00:03:24,691 --> 00:03:27,565 [MUSIC PLAYING] 72 00:03:31,401 --> 00:03:35,651 In order to talk about a-- a typical, internally-driven 73 00:03:35,651 --> 00:03:37,661 character arc, once again, I'm going 74 00:03:37,661 --> 00:03:40,781 to refer to psychological theory. 75 00:03:40,781 --> 00:03:43,421 There are several theories out there 76 00:03:43,421 --> 00:03:47,321 about how particular kinds of identities develop. 77 00:03:47,321 --> 00:03:52,121 And the most typical identity development theory models 78 00:03:52,121 --> 00:03:54,501 have certain stages to them. 79 00:03:54,501 --> 00:03:56,291 And people progress through these stages 80 00:03:56,291 --> 00:03:58,451 over the course of their lives many times, 81 00:03:58,451 --> 00:04:00,761 sometimes repeatedly. 82 00:04:00,761 --> 00:04:03,761 They can regress at some certain points. 83 00:04:03,761 --> 00:04:06,611 That's not necessarily a bad thing. 84 00:04:06,611 --> 00:04:11,801 They can go through these stages and then have to pause 85 00:04:11,801 --> 00:04:15,701 and kind of reconsider how they resolved them the first time 86 00:04:15,701 --> 00:04:17,600 and then resolve them again a different way. 87 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,251 So don't feel like these stages are in any way rigid 88 00:04:21,251 --> 00:04:23,651 or-- or constricting. 89 00:04:23,651 --> 00:04:26,741 But a typical identity development theory-- 90 00:04:26,741 --> 00:04:29,351 and identity development models originated 91 00:04:29,351 --> 00:04:31,371 with Black racial identity development, 92 00:04:31,371 --> 00:04:33,251 so this gives you a kind of an idea of what 93 00:04:33,251 --> 00:04:34,901 we're working with-- 94 00:04:34,901 --> 00:04:39,041 begin with a sort of steady state of complacency, 95 00:04:39,041 --> 00:04:42,371 where you're comfortable with the way that life has been. 96 00:04:42,371 --> 00:04:46,691 You have not had any reasons to question what's going on. 97 00:04:46,691 --> 00:04:47,711 Things are safe. 98 00:04:47,711 --> 00:04:50,861 Things are-- they seem "normal" to you. 99 00:04:50,861 --> 00:04:53,231 And this usually changes when you have 100 00:04:53,231 --> 00:04:55,331 something called an encounter. 101 00:04:55,331 --> 00:04:57,611 Now, with racial identity development theory, 102 00:04:57,611 --> 00:05:00,431 typically that's a person of color's first experience 103 00:05:00,431 --> 00:05:01,541 with racism. 104 00:05:01,541 --> 00:05:04,001 For a white person, it can be their first encounter 105 00:05:04,001 --> 00:05:06,821 with racism too, noticing someone else 106 00:05:06,821 --> 00:05:08,891 going through that. 107 00:05:08,891 --> 00:05:11,921 But in-- regardless of the identity development model, 108 00:05:11,921 --> 00:05:15,941 it's a traumatic moment, where the person is running 109 00:05:15,941 --> 00:05:18,431 into something that tells them that the world is not 110 00:05:18,431 --> 00:05:21,881 as normal and safe as they once thought it was. 111 00:05:21,881 --> 00:05:26,231 This can cause a-- a period of kind of groping and flailing 112 00:05:26,231 --> 00:05:28,451 to try and figure out what the heck is going on, 113 00:05:28,451 --> 00:05:32,501 or a-- a feeling of just generally not being happy, 114 00:05:32,501 --> 00:05:34,271 which we call disintegration. 115 00:05:34,271 --> 00:05:37,751 And during the disintegration phase, in a lot of cases, 116 00:05:37,751 --> 00:05:38,411 you'll-- 117 00:05:38,411 --> 00:05:42,101 you'll hear people questioning their existing identity, 118 00:05:42,101 --> 00:05:45,491 wondering why their identity is somehow unpleasant, 119 00:05:45,491 --> 00:05:48,341 or why this bad thing happened. 120 00:05:48,341 --> 00:05:52,451 For a lot of Black children, for example, at this stage, 121 00:05:52,451 --> 00:05:55,781 they will question, why was I born Black. 122 00:05:55,781 --> 00:05:59,141 And I'm sure many of you have heard of the experiments where 123 00:05:59,141 --> 00:06:03,221 Black children would see dolls, like little toy 124 00:06:03,221 --> 00:06:06,173 dolls of different races, and would invariably 125 00:06:06,173 --> 00:06:07,631 choose the white doll, because they 126 00:06:07,631 --> 00:06:10,031 identify with the white doll and don't want to identify 127 00:06:10,031 --> 00:06:10,991 with the Black doll. 128 00:06:10,991 --> 00:06:13,031 That's an example of disintegration, 129 00:06:13,031 --> 00:06:14,801 and it does typically happen quite 130 00:06:14,801 --> 00:06:17,921 young in-- in some people. 131 00:06:17,921 --> 00:06:20,891 Reintegration, though, is when you 132 00:06:20,891 --> 00:06:26,291 start to absorb ideas about what this identity should be 133 00:06:26,291 --> 00:06:28,931 from sources around yourself. 134 00:06:28,931 --> 00:06:30,251 That can come from parents. 135 00:06:30,251 --> 00:06:32,891 That can come from pop culture or media. 136 00:06:32,891 --> 00:06:34,721 It can come from books. 137 00:06:34,721 --> 00:06:38,996 And in reintegration, the person begins to try and find 138 00:06:38,996 --> 00:06:41,951 a-- a sense of self that feels more positive 139 00:06:41,951 --> 00:06:44,111 or at least reassuring. 140 00:06:44,111 --> 00:06:47,021 It may not necessarily be a positive identity. 141 00:06:47,021 --> 00:06:48,821 They could latch on to a stereotype. 142 00:06:48,821 --> 00:06:51,311 They could latch on to something really negative 143 00:06:51,311 --> 00:06:54,041 about themselves and decide to run with that. 144 00:06:54,041 --> 00:06:55,511 But it's something that gives them 145 00:06:55,511 --> 00:06:57,671 a sense of power and control. 146 00:06:57,671 --> 00:07:01,421 And in the final stage, which is resolution, you-- 147 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:04,601 you run into people who are, basically, 148 00:07:04,601 --> 00:07:06,041 at a point, again, of-- 149 00:07:06,041 --> 00:07:10,631 of steady state, of comfort, of feeling stable. 150 00:07:10,631 --> 00:07:12,641 They may not necessarily be in a good place, 151 00:07:12,641 --> 00:07:14,561 but they feel stable again, and they 152 00:07:14,561 --> 00:07:17,621 feel able to deal with future encounters 153 00:07:17,621 --> 00:07:20,201 if they do have that moment. 154 00:07:20,201 --> 00:07:24,521 So I decided to use a variation of this identity development 155 00:07:24,521 --> 00:07:29,261 model, where a character who is in a steady state basically 156 00:07:29,261 --> 00:07:31,151 encounters something that forces them 157 00:07:31,151 --> 00:07:33,791 to rebuild who they are as a person 158 00:07:33,791 --> 00:07:36,351 and decide on a new path for themselves. 159 00:07:36,351 --> 00:07:38,651 This is the basis of the internally-driven character 160 00:07:38,651 --> 00:07:39,151 arc. 161 00:07:39,151 --> 00:07:41,957 [MUSIC PLAYING] 162 00:07:45,431 --> 00:07:47,831 A state of complacency is just simply 163 00:07:47,831 --> 00:07:51,461 a state of maybe not being aware that your identity is 164 00:07:51,461 --> 00:07:53,171 meaningful. 165 00:07:53,171 --> 00:07:56,471 You know, for-- for a great many white people, 166 00:07:56,471 --> 00:07:59,561 they go through their lives not thinking of themselves 167 00:07:59,561 --> 00:08:02,771 as white, or not thinking of themselves as racial at all, 168 00:08:02,771 --> 00:08:04,991 or racialized at all. 169 00:08:04,991 --> 00:08:07,661 And, you know, having that moment where they're suddenly 170 00:08:07,661 --> 00:08:10,121 confronted with the idea that you're white, 171 00:08:10,121 --> 00:08:13,331 and this means something-- not necessarily anything negative, 172 00:08:13,331 --> 00:08:15,261 just means something-- 173 00:08:15,261 --> 00:08:18,251 it can be a moment of kind of shock and-- 174 00:08:18,251 --> 00:08:22,031 and sort of discomfort for some people. 175 00:08:22,031 --> 00:08:23,831 Identity development models exist 176 00:08:23,831 --> 00:08:26,681 for queer people who go through their lives 177 00:08:26,681 --> 00:08:28,821 maybe thinking of themselves as straight and then 178 00:08:28,821 --> 00:08:31,029 suddenly have the moment where they suddenly realize, 179 00:08:31,029 --> 00:08:32,231 oh, maybe I'm not. 180 00:08:32,231 --> 00:08:35,781 [LAUGHS] Or it can happen with disabled people, 181 00:08:35,781 --> 00:08:37,131 often at the point-- 182 00:08:37,131 --> 00:08:39,771 the encounter point is often when they become disabled, 183 00:08:39,771 --> 00:08:43,011 or when they begin to realize that their disability marks 184 00:08:43,011 --> 00:08:45,141 them as different from other people. 185 00:08:45,141 --> 00:08:48,651 In general, the state of complacency 186 00:08:48,651 --> 00:08:51,891 is the state that we expect most people to be in. 187 00:08:51,891 --> 00:08:55,551 So you don't necessarily need to explain complacency. 188 00:08:55,551 --> 00:08:57,801 Most people are expected to just kind of go 189 00:08:57,801 --> 00:09:03,411 through life sort of blithely, not aware of racism 190 00:09:03,411 --> 00:09:08,061 or other forms of bigotry, or just being treated badly 191 00:09:08,061 --> 00:09:08,901 by other people. 192 00:09:08,901 --> 00:09:12,151 Most people expect that at most points in their life, 193 00:09:12,151 --> 00:09:14,131 they're going to be treated okay. 194 00:09:14,131 --> 00:09:16,551 But the-- the moment of suddenly realizing somebody 195 00:09:16,551 --> 00:09:20,151 doesn't like you, or society doesn't accommodate you 196 00:09:20,151 --> 00:09:25,011 because of who and what you are, can be a real shock. 197 00:09:25,011 --> 00:09:27,931 And it's-- you know, for the purposes of storytelling, 198 00:09:27,931 --> 00:09:29,541 it can be a very dramatic moment. 199 00:09:29,541 --> 00:09:32,397 [MUSIC PLAYING] 200 00:09:35,741 --> 00:09:38,921 We instinctively feel more connection 201 00:09:38,921 --> 00:09:42,941 with a person who we see going through this process of trying 202 00:09:42,941 --> 00:09:46,001 to decide who they want to be and then making that decision 203 00:09:46,001 --> 00:09:48,821 and then going forward, and, if necessary, 204 00:09:48,821 --> 00:09:52,631 taking up arms [LAUGHS] to-- to make that happen. 205 00:09:52,631 --> 00:09:55,871 Because, you know, we-- we like to root for an underdog. 206 00:09:55,871 --> 00:09:58,571 And a person who is at war with themselves 207 00:09:58,571 --> 00:10:02,201 or unhappy with themselves in some ways is an underdog. 208 00:10:02,201 --> 00:10:03,611 We want people happy. 209 00:10:03,611 --> 00:10:06,791 We want to see people make themselves better and-- 210 00:10:06,791 --> 00:10:07,991 and stronger. 211 00:10:07,991 --> 00:10:10,691 To refer back to the Mad Max model, 212 00:10:10,691 --> 00:10:15,311 Furiosa is past complacency and encounter. 213 00:10:15,311 --> 00:10:18,251 It's very likely that the period of the apocalypse, 214 00:10:18,251 --> 00:10:21,749 whenever that was, was her encounter moment. 215 00:10:21,749 --> 00:10:24,041 We don't know whether she was born after the apocalypse 216 00:10:24,041 --> 00:10:27,851 or-- or what, but, you know, kind of coming up in the world, 217 00:10:27,851 --> 00:10:30,401 realizing that her status as a woman 218 00:10:30,401 --> 00:10:33,431 puts her in a-- a dangerous position. 219 00:10:33,431 --> 00:10:36,641 That life as a woman in the post-apocalyptic world 220 00:10:36,641 --> 00:10:40,451 can be terrible, and she's adapted to it, 221 00:10:40,451 --> 00:10:42,041 but we see she's not happy. 222 00:10:42,041 --> 00:10:45,041 In our first-- her-- our first scenes with her, 223 00:10:45,041 --> 00:10:47,231 she just seems miserable. 224 00:10:47,231 --> 00:10:51,611 Definitely not in a state of happy complacency. 225 00:10:51,611 --> 00:10:54,071 And she begins the process of reintegration 226 00:10:54,071 --> 00:10:56,091 over the course of the film. 227 00:10:56,091 --> 00:11:00,101 She first decides that she wants to rescue the other women 228 00:11:00,101 --> 00:11:03,011 around her and take them to the place where she remembers 229 00:11:03,011 --> 00:11:06,551 last being happy, the place where she was last complacent. 230 00:11:06,551 --> 00:11:09,491 But once she gets there and realizes 231 00:11:09,491 --> 00:11:12,551 that that place has effectively been destroyed, 232 00:11:12,551 --> 00:11:15,701 and her only choice is to go back and reform the place 233 00:11:15,701 --> 00:11:18,611 that she came from, reform Immortan Joe's 234 00:11:18,611 --> 00:11:22,151 community, that's her moment of reintegration. 235 00:11:22,151 --> 00:11:24,851 She has formed a new identity around, 236 00:11:24,851 --> 00:11:28,331 yeah, okay, the post-apocalyptic world is terrible for women. 237 00:11:28,331 --> 00:11:29,561 We're going to change that. 238 00:11:29,561 --> 00:11:31,221 We're going to make it better. 239 00:11:31,221 --> 00:11:33,521 And then we see her resolution throughout the course 240 00:11:33,521 --> 00:11:35,501 of the film, at the end of the film. 241 00:11:35,501 --> 00:11:37,421 That's a great character arc, and it's only 242 00:11:37,421 --> 00:11:40,811 like the last two stages of that identity development model. 243 00:11:40,811 --> 00:11:43,739 [MUSIC PLAYING] 244 00:11:47,031 --> 00:11:48,781 We have to acknowledge the fact that there 245 00:11:48,781 --> 00:11:50,761 are certain characters in our society 246 00:11:50,761 --> 00:11:53,701 who have a much harder time establishing empathy 247 00:11:53,701 --> 00:11:55,711 with the audience, and that's largely 248 00:11:55,711 --> 00:11:57,691 because the audience has not been introduced 249 00:11:57,691 --> 00:12:00,961 to certain kinds of characters. 250 00:12:00,961 --> 00:12:04,471 This is an issue of the center and the margins again. 251 00:12:04,471 --> 00:12:09,361 Our society gives lots of opportunities for readers, 252 00:12:09,361 --> 00:12:14,581 consumers, viewers, to empathize with cishet white guys, 253 00:12:14,581 --> 00:12:18,991 with able-bodied people, with young, attractive people-- 254 00:12:18,991 --> 00:12:21,811 and when we say attractive, we mean conventionally attractive, 255 00:12:21,811 --> 00:12:26,401 thin, you know, sexy, whatever you want to call that. 256 00:12:26,401 --> 00:12:30,271 And our society does not provide a lot of opportunities 257 00:12:30,271 --> 00:12:33,181 to empathize with other kinds of people. 258 00:12:33,181 --> 00:12:35,581 For example, we see lots of characters 259 00:12:35,581 --> 00:12:39,511 who are overweight depicted as villains or comic relief. 260 00:12:39,511 --> 00:12:41,041 They're not necessarily the people 261 00:12:41,041 --> 00:12:45,601 who you want to see as the hero, powering through things, 262 00:12:45,601 --> 00:12:48,811 because that's not what we've been seeing a lot of. 263 00:12:48,811 --> 00:12:51,931 We don't read a lot of that, and so we're not used to it. 264 00:12:51,931 --> 00:12:55,951 And-- and there is a sort of preprogrammed response 265 00:12:55,951 --> 00:12:58,621 as-- as a result of that, where when 266 00:12:58,621 --> 00:13:01,021 the audience sees a character who is overweight, 267 00:13:01,021 --> 00:13:03,661 they feel primed to laugh at that character 268 00:13:03,661 --> 00:13:07,651 or primed to suspect that character of villainy 269 00:13:07,651 --> 00:13:09,991 or something. 270 00:13:09,991 --> 00:13:12,391 And so it can be difficult to establish 271 00:13:12,391 --> 00:13:15,901 that this character has stakes that are worth caring about. 272 00:13:15,901 --> 00:13:17,701 But it's important for us to do this, 273 00:13:17,701 --> 00:13:20,251 because without actually showing more 274 00:13:20,251 --> 00:13:24,541 of these characters in empathetic moments, then we-- 275 00:13:24,541 --> 00:13:27,761 we find it harder to empathize with these people in real life. 276 00:13:27,761 --> 00:13:28,261 All right. 277 00:13:28,261 --> 00:13:31,231 So now I'm going to read a passage from the beginning 278 00:13:31,231 --> 00:13:34,331 of "The City We Became." 279 00:13:34,331 --> 00:13:36,521 "I paint the city. 280 00:13:36,521 --> 00:13:38,531 Back when I was in school, there was an artist 281 00:13:38,531 --> 00:13:42,341 who came in on Fridays to give us free lessons in perspective 282 00:13:42,341 --> 00:13:45,161 and lighting and other shit that white people go to art school 283 00:13:45,161 --> 00:13:46,421 to learn. 284 00:13:46,421 --> 00:13:49,361 Except this guy had done that, and he was Black. 285 00:13:49,361 --> 00:13:51,881 I'd never seen a Black artist before. 286 00:13:51,881 --> 00:13:55,281 For a minute, I thought maybe I could be one too. 287 00:13:55,281 --> 00:13:58,341 I can be, sometimes, deep in the night, 288 00:13:58,341 --> 00:14:01,041 on a rooftop in Chinatown, with a spray can 289 00:14:01,041 --> 00:14:02,791 for each hand and a bucket of drywall 290 00:14:02,791 --> 00:14:05,841 paint that somebody left outside after doing up their living 291 00:14:05,841 --> 00:14:10,401 room in lilac, I move in, scuttling, crab-like swirls. 292 00:14:10,401 --> 00:14:12,861 The drywall stuff I can't use too much of. 293 00:14:12,861 --> 00:14:15,891 It'll start flaking off after a couple of rains. 294 00:14:15,891 --> 00:14:17,451 Spray paint's better for everything, 295 00:14:17,451 --> 00:14:21,231 but I like the contrast of the two textures, liquid black 296 00:14:21,231 --> 00:14:24,261 on rough lilac, red edging the black. 297 00:14:24,261 --> 00:14:26,151 I'm painting a hole. 298 00:14:26,151 --> 00:14:27,741 It's like a throat that doesn't start 299 00:14:27,741 --> 00:14:30,021 with a mouth or end in lungs. 300 00:14:30,021 --> 00:14:33,141 A thing that breathes and swallows endlessly, 301 00:14:33,141 --> 00:14:34,941 never filling. 302 00:14:34,941 --> 00:14:37,311 No one will see it except people in planes angling 303 00:14:37,311 --> 00:14:40,491 toward Laguardia from the Southwest, a few tourists who 304 00:14:40,491 --> 00:14:44,541 take helicopter tours and NYPD aerial surveillance. 305 00:14:44,541 --> 00:14:46,101 I don't care what they see. 306 00:14:46,101 --> 00:14:48,911 It's not for them." 307 00:14:48,911 --> 00:14:52,391 This is a kid whose identities are only 308 00:14:52,391 --> 00:14:54,821 slightly overlapping with mine. 309 00:14:54,821 --> 00:14:58,751 I am not a queer homeless kid. 310 00:14:58,751 --> 00:15:00,071 I'm not a teenager anymore. 311 00:15:00,071 --> 00:15:04,121 [LAUGHS] I-- well, he's actually in his early 20s, 312 00:15:04,121 --> 00:15:06,071 but I think at the time that I wrote this, 313 00:15:06,071 --> 00:15:08,921 I never really explained his age. 314 00:15:08,921 --> 00:15:10,811 But you know, I'm not young anymore. 315 00:15:10,811 --> 00:15:17,861 I'm not an artist who does exterior or outdoor stuff. 316 00:15:17,861 --> 00:15:19,451 I don't use spray paint. 317 00:15:19,451 --> 00:15:23,231 I don't know what [LAUGHS] living room paint really 318 00:15:23,231 --> 00:15:25,331 feels like, [LAUGHS] because I haven't 319 00:15:25,331 --> 00:15:27,731 tried using it on a rooftop. 320 00:15:27,731 --> 00:15:29,891 So, you know, in a lot of ways, I'm 321 00:15:29,891 --> 00:15:32,531 appropriating the identity of someone that 322 00:15:32,531 --> 00:15:34,901 is very different from myself. 323 00:15:34,901 --> 00:15:36,791 And in a lot of ways, this is a person 324 00:15:36,791 --> 00:15:39,784 who is more marginalized than myself. 325 00:15:39,784 --> 00:15:41,201 And so I had to do a lot of things 326 00:15:41,201 --> 00:15:44,831 to try and make sure that I was speaking accurately 327 00:15:44,831 --> 00:15:47,651 with his voice, if I did. 328 00:15:47,651 --> 00:15:54,761 I have a number of experiences in working with populations 329 00:15:54,761 --> 00:15:57,731 of young people from this background, 330 00:15:57,731 --> 00:16:00,221 so I at least have spoken to people who-- 331 00:16:00,221 --> 00:16:03,731 who speak like this and who have these concerns 332 00:16:03,731 --> 00:16:06,371 and who have these experiences. 333 00:16:06,371 --> 00:16:09,521 I'm not using any particular person or a real-life person, 334 00:16:09,521 --> 00:16:12,821 so I'm trying not to appropriate real people here. 335 00:16:12,821 --> 00:16:15,491 But I am speaking in a voice that possibly could be 336 00:16:15,491 --> 00:16:18,101 told better by another person. 337 00:16:18,101 --> 00:16:20,321 The story in "The City We Became" 338 00:16:20,321 --> 00:16:24,521 is not about him being a Black, queer, homeless person. 339 00:16:24,521 --> 00:16:27,011 That's background material. 340 00:16:27,011 --> 00:16:31,031 And I feel like all writers have an obligation 341 00:16:31,031 --> 00:16:34,991 to write people from different backgrounds into their stories, 342 00:16:34,991 --> 00:16:37,641 because that's what we see in real life. 343 00:16:37,641 --> 00:16:40,481 This is a story that is meant to be true to the New York 344 00:16:40,481 --> 00:16:41,524 that I live in. 345 00:16:41,524 --> 00:16:42,941 And the New York that I live in is 346 00:16:42,941 --> 00:16:45,161 full of people who aren't very much like me, 347 00:16:45,161 --> 00:16:47,231 so I'm going to write about those people, 348 00:16:47,231 --> 00:16:50,411 and I want to write about them respectfully and accurately, 349 00:16:50,411 --> 00:16:53,321 in a way that kind of feels true to their voice. 350 00:16:53,321 --> 00:16:55,961 But I'm not going to tell their specific stories, 351 00:16:55,961 --> 00:16:59,171 their identity-specific stories. 352 00:16:59,171 --> 00:17:01,631 And so, you know, this isn't about him 353 00:17:01,631 --> 00:17:03,241 being a homeless person. 354 00:17:03,241 --> 00:17:04,991 At the end of the story, he's not suddenly 355 00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:08,081 going to get the ability to live in-- 356 00:17:08,081 --> 00:17:13,781 in a fancy, nice place on his own power and on his own dime. 357 00:17:13,781 --> 00:17:16,301 He's not suddenly going to get whisked off to art school 358 00:17:16,301 --> 00:17:17,581 on a scholarship. 359 00:17:17,581 --> 00:17:20,331 [LAUGHS] That's not what this is about. 360 00:17:20,331 --> 00:17:22,481 So, you know, it's possible to write 361 00:17:22,481 --> 00:17:26,051 about people who are not yourself, 362 00:17:26,051 --> 00:17:28,781 write people who are the other, and-- 363 00:17:28,781 --> 00:17:31,151 and not steal their voices and not 364 00:17:31,151 --> 00:17:34,121 steal their story arcs or the pieces that 365 00:17:34,121 --> 00:17:35,861 are fundamental to that-- 366 00:17:35,861 --> 00:17:39,881 that identity, while also still giving them a place 367 00:17:39,881 --> 00:17:42,701 that they deserve, that they should have, 368 00:17:42,701 --> 00:17:45,931 in any description of humanity. 28600

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