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LECTURER: What we end up with
is a restriction of the kinds
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of stories that we tell as a
society, the kinds of stories
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that we value, the
kinds of stories
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that readers get to read.
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And there's a whole
slew of people out there
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who would love to read
stories about people
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just like themselves
overcoming adversity.
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Let's talk about a really
common archetype that we
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see in American literature--
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the rugged individualist
protagonist.
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This is the lone
character, usually male--
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always male, actually.
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The lone character who doesn't
need help, who solves problems
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with his fists or his gun.
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We see this character everywhere
in American literature,
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and we love this character.
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This is John McClane
from "Die Hard."
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This is John Wayne in pretty
much everything he did.
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This is all the old
westerns, and so on.
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And these are great stories.
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We tend to enjoy
them because they're
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the story of a person
overcoming adversity
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just by being super tough and
super interesting and super
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powerful and amazing.
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And you know, this is not a
bad archetype in and of itself.
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The problem is that rugged
individualism so permeates
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our media and so
permeates the stories
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that we have been
told over the years
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that it's almost started to
become the only way that one
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can safely or
lucratively tell a story.
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To the point that stories of
people overcoming adversity
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in different ways--
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with willpower versus
with a gun or their fists,
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with endurance rather than
just shooting something--
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these kinds of
stories are less told
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and are actually considered
less valuable or important
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in our society.
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And what this ultimately ends
up sort of turning into is,
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you know, because the
rugged individualist tends
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to be a very
masculine-centered archetype,
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what it means is that the
stories of women, when women
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are overcoming adversity, either
tend to frame them in a very
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masculine way or tend to
ignore the ways in which women
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actually do overcome adversity.
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Because those aren't-- you know,
she's not punching something,
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so it's not important.
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And so what we end up
with is a restriction
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of the kinds of
stories that we tell
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as a society, the
kinds of stories
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that we value, the
kinds of stories
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that readers get to read.
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And there's a whole
slew of people out there
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who would love to read
stories about people
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just like themselves
overcoming adversity.
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Wouldn't a wheelchair
user like to read
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a story in which they
overcome adversity,
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but it's not just about them
getting up from the wheelchair
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or suddenly developing
a miraculous cure.
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It's about them also
shooting something.
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You know, or overcoming
problems with their fists.
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We don't usually see
those kinds of people
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treated as rugged
individualists, either.
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Rugged individualists
are always able-bodied,
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middle-aged cishet men.
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So it's a little
bit restricting.
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And what it means
is that you are
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trapped by this constriction.
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You don't have as many stories.
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You don't have as good stories
out there available to read.
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A protagonist
that's antithetical
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to the rugged individualist
is going to be probably not
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a cishet white guy.
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Probably not able-bodied.
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Can be cishet white guy,
but not the kind of person
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who can shoot anything,
whose solutions to problems
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are not physical.
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Or maybe cerebral or emotional.
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Could be characters whose
ways of solving problems
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involve gathering a large group
of people around themselves
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who are all individually able
to solve pieces of that problem.
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And then all together
as a team, they're
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able to get things done.
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So there's a number of different
ways that you can do this.
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Let's look, for example,
at the latest "Mad Max"
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movie, "Mad Max--
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Fury Road."
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The story of "Mad Max--
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Fury Road" centers
around Max, who
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is the title character of
a series of films so far.
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But a lot of the people
who saw "Fury Road"
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didn't see any of
those previous films,
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so they don't know
who the heck Max is.
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He's just some guy that
the movie is named after.
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And we're introduced
to him over the course
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of the film as a survivor.
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Almost feral.
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He barely speaks.
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When he does speak,
it's in a lot of grunts.
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He's great at punching and
hitting things and shooting
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things, but that's kind of
all we really know about him.
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But he's actually not the
protagonist of the film.
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And this is one of the
kind of baits and switches
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that "Fury Road"
throws at us that's
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one of the things that makes
this such a great film.
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The actual protagonist
of the film
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is Furiosa, who is
a woman character
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living in a society that is
highly patriarchal to the point
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that they enslave women
as literal chattel.
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And she has decided,
as one of the few women
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in the society who is not
treated just as literal food
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or breeding stock--
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she has decided that she's
going to help other women reach
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a place where they, too, can
live a freer and more complex
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life.
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And you know, a
lot of people who
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saw this film were unhappy
with the amount of focus that
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was given to Furiosa.
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But when you really
break it down,
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Mad Max is not anywhere
near as interesting
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a character as Furiosa.
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Max doesn't have any
background that we
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know of unless you saw
the previous films.
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He's obviously traumatized,
but we don't know why.
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And the film does not
center around his healing
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or overcoming trauma.
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Furiosa is equally traumatized.
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We see that she's missing
an arm, among other things.
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And that couldn't have been fun.
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We see that she's
in a society where
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particularly beautiful women
are literally taken and forced
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into just an absolutely
horrible life.
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She's a beautiful woman.
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So something has happened
to set her free from this,
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but it was also possibly
traumatic, as well.
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But we don't see any of that.
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And we don't need
to know any of that.
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What we do know is that she has
seen a problem in her society,
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and she has decided to
do something about it.
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And just that gives
her a character
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arc that is much more
engaging than Max's simple,
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I've got to survive.
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Max, at the beginning of the
film, is, I've got to survive.
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In the middle of the film,
he's, I've got to survive.
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At the end of the film
he's, I've got to survive.
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Sorry.
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That was meant to be flat.
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That's not a character arc.
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He's literally the same
person at the beginning
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and the same person at the end.
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Furiosa, on the other
hand, starts off
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as this person who
appears to not really
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care about her fellow women.
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Turns out that she does.
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Turns out that she's even
able to care about Max.
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And then once she realizes that
she cannot take these women
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away and create a better life,
she's got to fix the society
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that she's in, she goes
back and becomes effectively
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a revolutionary.
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That's a hell of
a character arc.
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One of the problems that I
have with rugged individualism
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is that it's not even
so much a character
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archetype as propaganda.
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You know, a big part of
the basis of this idea
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kind of comes from Herbert
Hoover's insistence
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that people should
pull themselves up
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by their bootstraps and
not seek handouts or not
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seek any kind of government
aid in order to do well.
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The problem with this
is that as Hoover
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was telling some
groups of people
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that they were going to
need to work really hard
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and pull themselves up
by their bootstraps,
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he was basically
shoveling government aid
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at other groups of people.
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He was giving farm subsidies.
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He was giving-- you know,
kind of putting together
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the GI Bill.
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He was deporting massive
numbers of Mexican-Americans,
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many of whom had been
born in this country.
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He deported millions
just because he
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decided that he didn't
like that group of people.
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Say you know, for people
to pull themselves up
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by their bootstraps, they
need to, at the very minimum,
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not be messed with and
not be persecuted and not
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have their homes taken from
them and all of their property
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taken from them and so on.
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They need to just
be able to survive
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without anybody bothering them.
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And Hoover was busy bothering
huge numbers of people.
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And then meanwhile, he's
saying that these other groups
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of people who he's busy helping
are somehow better people.
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And this is the genesis of the
rugged individualist archetype.
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So I mean, you've got characters
who appear again and again
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in fiction who are
supposedly, you
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know, these stand-alone,
rugged, independent people who
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don't need help from anyone.
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And it's bullshit.
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They've asked for help
from other people.
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They've gotten help all along
the way to get that far.
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And in a lot of cases, the
ways that films and books
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will make a person seem more
rugged or more individualistic
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is to focus very narrowly
on the part of their lives
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where they have
to fight somebody
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and we don't see anything
else of their lives.
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We don't see the communities
that they grew up
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in where they learned how
to read and learn maybe
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how to shoot.
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We don't see the family farm
that they sold to get the guns.
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Or the family farm
that was wealthy enough
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to be worth something.
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We don't see any of
the other things that
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are part of every normal
human being's background.
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We don't see the interrelation.
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We don't see the socialness.
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We are a social species.
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We are people who don't
do anything by ourselves.
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And the idea that you
can just pull yourself up
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by your bootstraps
is propaganda.
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So it's important that in a
lot of cases, as creators,
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as writers, that you are aware
of the difference between how
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people really are and
what people are framed as,
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what people told to be, what
people are framed to be.
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Very few of the archetypes
that our society
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holds up as ideals actually
work as regular people.
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So if you want to tell
a story about that,
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then you're going to
have to maybe interrogate
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that rugged individualist
a little bit.
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Or interrogate those
other archetypes
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and make sure that you're
not just replicating
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Hoover's particular bugaboo.
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A lot of writers will
ask the question of why
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is it important for me to--
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or why are you
emphasizing so much
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that I should veer away from
these common, tried and true,
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popular, lucrative
ways of storytelling
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kinds of characters, and so on.
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Because I want to make money.
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I mean, you know, I totally
understand that as a writer.
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Or I want to be popular.
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There's any number
of reasons why
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you might want to
pursue some of this more
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common, well-traveled stuff.
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I mean, there's no
reason why you shouldn't.
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The thing is you do have to
keep in mind that when you're
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writing these stories that cater
to one specific type of person,
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that are centered on one
specific type of person--
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and our whole society, yes, is
configured to steer everyone
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towards those types of people--
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but there's still a
huge portion of society
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that is under-served,
that is not
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getting the kinds of stories
that they want to see.
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You know, we've all
learned to empathize
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with cishet white males
because we read books
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about them all the time.
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We understand their fears.
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We understand their backgrounds.
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We've seen dozens and
dozens of examples
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before we ever finish school.
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And so, you know, we
kind of understand
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that group of people, but we
don't get the same exposure
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and empathy given to other
types of people, which
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is why it's so easy
to find stories
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that are effectively
just nothing
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but collections of stereotypes.
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And so it's important
that, you know,
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you not just tell the best
story that you can just
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to be the best kind of
artist that you can.
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But also keep in mind that,
you know, if 50% of humanity
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is under-served by the
literature that exists out
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there and you write a book
that speaks to that other 50%,
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you're still going
to make money.
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You're still going
to be popular.
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You're just going to be
popular and lucrative
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in a different way.
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Another thing to keep
in mind is that a lot
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of these older archetypes,
these cliches, these propaganda
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types, a lot of these are
out of style, out of fashion.
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Literature is no different
from any other human endeavor.
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Stuff comes and goes.
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And these days one
of the most popular
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and sort of cutting edge
ways to tell stories
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is to tell the stories
of other people.
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Tell the stories of
people that aren't
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the rugged individualists.
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Center the story on the
Furiosa rather than the Max.
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Even if you cosmetically
give a nod to Max
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by naming the film after
him, at the end of the day,
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it's still a good
film if he's there,
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but he's basically a sidekick to
the more interesting character.
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In "The Fifth Season," you
are introduced to the story
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through the viewpoints of
three different characters.
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Damaya, a young girl
who has just been
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determined to be an orogene.
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Syenite, a young woman who
has grown up in the Fulcrum
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and is kind of just now
coming into her career
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as a professional
imperial orogene.
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And Essun, a woman who is living
in a small village in basically
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the hinterland who turns out
to be an orogene in hiding
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and who is the mother of two
children who are also orogenes.
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I decided to introduce
the story to the reader
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through these three
POVs because I
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was kind of messing with reader
expectations in some ways.
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Damaya is the character
that I thought
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readers would be most
likely to empathize with,
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because we tend to
empathize with children.
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We, as a species, tend to
want to protect children.
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You know, when we
see them in peril,
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we feel discomfort with that.
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We want to help them.
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We want them better.
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And Syenite, as a young
woman, is a character
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who kind of comes
from an age group
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that we see a lot of in fiction.
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There's a whole series of young
women protagonists in Y.A.
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novels, for example,
and they sort of
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dominate that particular
sub-genre of fiction.
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But there are still certain
constraints that as a society
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we tend to put on
young women characters.
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We expect them to be
conventionally attractive.
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We expect them to have a
love interest at some point.
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You know, we sometimes are OK
with them changing the world
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and starting
revolutions, but they
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have to do it in
particular ways or we
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get uncomfortable
with them as a society
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because of our own history.
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And in Syenite's case, she
is conventionally attractive.
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She is a woman of color.
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All three of these
are women of color.
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And in our society,
that's not a thing
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that we see in the
protagonist role very often.
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But Syenite is young.
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She's obviously sex-positive.
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She enjoys having sex.
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As part of the story,
she is introduced
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to another orogene,
Alabaster, with whom
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she's supposed to travel
and with whom she's also
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supposed to produce a child.
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She is required to do that by
the people who run the Fulcrum.
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reader expectation
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would be that they would
kind of form a couple,
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or that Alabaster
would effectively
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be her love interest.
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Well, Alabaster is twice her age
and completely not interested
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in her, and she's not
interested in him.
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And I wanted to show
that they can still
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have a relationship, a
friendship, or even more
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than that, but without
having any kind of attraction
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to each other or any of that.
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bit with her story line.
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And Essun is in many ways a
completely atypical protagonist
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character.
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She is in her early 40s or so.
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She's a mother.
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She's heavyset at the
beginning of the story,
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and then she starves
a lot, unfortunately.
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She starts off the novel
out of shape, and you know,
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she's the kind of
person who, in a lot
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of post-apocalyptic novels,
would be immediately dismissed
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as not survival material.
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wouldn't follow her.
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The story would just simply
assume that as a woman,
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as an older person,
as someone who's
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out of shape and heavyset, that
she's not going to make it.
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our young, fit white guy.
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And I just wanted
to play with that.
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I wanted to go somewhere else.
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