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MARGARET ATWOOD:
"The Handmaid's Tale"
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is about a future society that
has replaced the United States,
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as we know it today.
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And it's called Gilead.
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And we follow the fortunes of
one of the inhabitants of it.
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It's a society that has
regulated people into castes.
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It's a society that has
regulated people into castes.
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They are identified by the kind
of clothing that they wear.
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And certain women, who
have the now rare ability
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to have children,
are called handmaids.
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So the handmaids are
allocated to the top people
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in the society and
their wives, in order
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to act as surrogate
mothers for them.
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to act as surrogate
mothers for them.
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The wives then get the children.
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And the handmaid has to move on.
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So that is their function.
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And we follow the story
of one of these women.
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And that is straight
out of the Bible,
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because in name it is a biblical
kind of totalitarianism.
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And in the Bible, we
have Rachel and Leah.
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And then we have a baby
contest between them.
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And then we have a baby
contest between them.
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And in order to
have more babies,
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they enlist their
handmaids and have babies
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by the handmaids,
which they themselves
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get to name and to keep.
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So that's the model for it,
much as under Hitler there
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were these biological wives.
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So if you were an
SS man, you could
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have more than one woman,
to produce more little SS
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have more than one woman,
to produce more little SS
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children.
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At that time I was
living in West Berlin.
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The wall around West
Berlin was still in place.
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And therefore, I was seeing
all of this in action.
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What kicked it off
was a conversation
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I was having with
a friend of mine.
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And what we were talking
about was the idea
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that some people were
already having then,
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that women should go
back into the home.
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So if women should go
back into the home,
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So if women should go
back into the home,
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how are you going
to get them there?
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So that was a
problem to be solved.
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"The Handmaid's Tale" came from
three different, let us say,
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bodies of knowledge.
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The 17th century
Puritans, who had
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their stronghold in
Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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their stronghold in
Cambridge, Massachusetts,
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where this novel is set.
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Harvard started as a
theological seminary.
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And the 17th century
Puritans were not Democrats.
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This was not a
democratic society.
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It was a theocracy.
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And they had some pretty
interesting rules.
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For instance,
pointing and laughing
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were quite frowned upon.
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And so were Quakers.
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They were not fond of Quakers.
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They were not fond of Quakers.
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They hanged some of them.
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So I had studied this
because I had to.
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I had to fill my gap.
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And I was lucky enough to have
a man called Perry Miller, who
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originated the study
of American Puritans
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in American universities and
was still teaching at that time.
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So these were also
some of my ancestors.
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They were in those
Quaker-hanging Puritans.
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So I was pretty
interested in them.
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So I was pretty
interested in them.
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That was one.
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Number two was my study
of utopias and dystopias
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as literary forms.
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So I was one of
those teenagers who
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was reading "Brave New World."
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I was reading "1984," about the
time it was first published.
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First edition, paperback,
I still have it.
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Those sorts of books, Ray
Bradbury, John Wyndham,
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Those sorts of books, Ray
Bradbury, John Wyndham,
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I was mainlining
those as a teenager.
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And I had always pretty
much wanted to write one.
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But most of them were from
the point of view of men.
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So I thought it would
be interesting to take
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one of those dystopic
societies and flip it, and see
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what that felt like from the
point of view of a woman in it.
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Another question was,
if the United States
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Another question was,
if the United States
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were going to have
a totalitarianism--
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because totalitarianisms are
the third body of knowledge.
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Having been born in 1939, I
was quite familiar with them,
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having lived through
parts of some of them.
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If the United States were
to have a totalitarianism,
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what kind of
totalitarianism would it be?
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It would not be,
Hi, my name is Bob.
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I'm a communist.
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And I'm now going to be
your fearless leader.
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And I'm now going to be
your fearless leader.
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That's unlikely ever to happen.
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So if it wasn't going to
be that, what would it be?
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I thought it most
likely that it would
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be some form of
fundamentalist theocracy.
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And we were seeing
already in the 1980s,
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the resurgence of that kind of
thinking in the United States.
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Let us not forget that
had the United States not
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Let us not forget that
had the United States not
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entered World War II,
with Pearl Harbor,
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they might have ended
up with somebody
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like Charles Lindbergh
for president,
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a fascist sympathizer.
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So this was not really
that far off the possible.
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And at the time, I was writing.
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Although it was the '80s and
the civil rights movement
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Although it was the '80s and
the civil rights movement
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had happened, we
were by no means
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in a situation in which
everybody in the country
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was viewed as equal,
as having equal rights.
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And we are still not.
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So all of that thinking fed in.
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The rule that I
made for the book
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was that nothing
went into it that
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had not happened in real
life, somewhere, at some time.
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had not happened in real
life, somewhere, at some time.
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And that's why I collected
all of the research.
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And the reason I made that rule
is that I didn't want anybody
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saying, you certainly have
a twisted, weird, evil
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imagination.
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You made up all
these bad things.
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I didn't make them up.
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So that is one of the
functions of research
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in a novel like this.
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Let us look at some
of the research.
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These are all from the mid-80s.
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"Charges of brain-washing.
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Catholics say cult taking over."
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So this is the disciples of an
1,100-member religious sect are
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practicing brainwashing.
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And they subordinate women.
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They discourage social
contact with nonmembers.
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They discourage social
contact with nonmembers.
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They arrange marriages.
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And they move
teenage disciples to,
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quote, "households
for indoctrination."
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I didn't make it up.
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All right.
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Here we go.
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That was a Catholic sect.
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But there have been a
number of different sorts
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of cults of this kind.
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Their treatment of
women is very Islamic,
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somebody said in the mid-80s.
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Brainwashing, People
of Hope, et cetera.
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Brainwashing, People
of Hope, et cetera.
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So they weren't actually forcing
people to join this cult.
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But the wives of the
coordinators are called,
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quotes, "handmaidens."
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As I say, I didn't make it up.
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But that's straight out
of the Bible, anyway.
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Again, a lot of research
on Mormons, for instance.
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And on American slavery,
who was allowed to read,
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who was not allowed to read,
the Underground Railroad.
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who was not allowed to read,
the Underground Railroad.
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The "Handmaid's Tale" has
a similar escape route.
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Going through the
research materials,
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you will come across efforts
to control reproduction one
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way or another, either to
make people have more babies
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or to make people
have fewer babies.
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Totalitarian regimes
are big on that
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because they want planned
societies, like really planned.
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because they want planned
societies, like really planned.
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And sometimes those go
spectacularly off the rails.
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So Ceausescu, in Romania,
mandated that women
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should have four children.
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He gave them pregnancy
tests every month.
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And if they weren't pregnant,
they had to say why.
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And, of course,
what that meant was
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that people were having
children that they
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couldn't afford to support.
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And they were putting
them in orphanages.
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And that created really a
pretty bad situation in Romania.
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And that created really a
pretty bad situation in Romania.
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But that's in the "Handmaid's
Tale" historical notes.
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I reference a lot of
those things in the notes.
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So the cults-- the
credit cards, how you
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would cut people's money off.
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So if you wanted to get
women back into the home,
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you would have to reverse
the financial progress
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that they made over the
past, say, 150 years.
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So they moved from
a point where they
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couldn't control their
own money or have
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couldn't control their
own money or have
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really any kinds of jobs
that were not servant jobs.
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They moved out of that
position, into the 20th century
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and the 21st century, in
which they gain the right
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to control their own
finances, have their own bank
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accounts, own houses,
that kind of thing.
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So how would you get
them back into the home?
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You'd have to
immediately cut that off.
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Cut off the access to money.
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Cut off the access to money.
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And the credit
card, unfortunately,
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allows you to do that, should
you wish to, very quickly.
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In fact, any form of
electronic sorting and tagging
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allows you to do
that kind of control
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in a way that wouldn't
have been possible before.
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So here comes the credit card.
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And I would suggest that you
not get rid of cash money.
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And I would suggest that you
not get rid of cash money.
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Cash money is actually more
fluid than credit card money.
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And it's much harder to
control your access to it.
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So cash can be a
security problem.
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Checks can bounce, et cetera,
et cetera, all this rationale.
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This is January, 1984.
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People were already thinking
of getting rid of cash money.
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Don't do it.
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I sometimes do draw little
sketches of things in my books.
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"The Handmaid's Tale" is
very dependent on clothing
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and what people are
wearing because,
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like medieval
societies, it's very
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specific who is wearing what.
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So the costume is apparently
inspired by nuns, of course.
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But also by the old Dutch
Cleanser package of the 1940s,
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But also by the old Dutch
Cleanser package of the 1940s,
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which showed this pretty
sinister looking woman
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holding a great big stick.
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And she was supposed
to be chasing the dirt.
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But she had a bonnet
that was hiding her face.
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So I think I imprinted on
that as a innocent child.
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It was quite a
mysterious figure.
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I did the costumes as
red because, of course,
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I did the costumes as
red because, of course,
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it's a iconic color.
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So none of these ideas
are particularly new.
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And they weren't new--
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they weren't new then.
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So the eye is a sort of logo,
particularly for the Secret
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Service.
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And sometimes, of course,
it's got wings on it.
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The Secret Service people in
the regime are called the Eyes.
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The Secret Service people in
the regime are called the Eyes.
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They're the people who do
all the unpleasant spy work.
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The eye is off the American
money, basically a Masonic eye,
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off the Great Seal.
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But it is also the
eye of God, that
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rolls around over all of the
world, seeing everything.
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The thing about
totalitarianisms is that they're
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very big on logos and designs.
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And this totalitarianism
is no different.
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And this totalitarianism
is no different.
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If only Hitler had been
accepted at art school,
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world history would
have been different
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because he was happiest when
designing costumes and stage
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sets.
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That's what he really
liked about his regime.
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There's a movie
about that called
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"The Architecture
of Doom," which
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goes into his
architectural interests.
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You can see why he wasn't
accepted at art school
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because although he
could draw buildings,
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because although he
could draw buildings,
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he couldn't do people,
really hardly at all.
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What does that tell you?
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