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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,500 --> 00:00:03,904 [MUSIC PLAYING] 2 00:00:13,587 --> 00:00:15,170 MARGARET ATWOOD: "The Handmaid's Tale" 3 00:00:15,170 --> 00:00:20,090 is about a future society that has replaced the United States, 4 00:00:20,090 --> 00:00:21,410 as we know it today. 5 00:00:21,410 --> 00:00:23,780 And it's called Gilead. 6 00:00:23,780 --> 00:00:29,380 And we follow the fortunes of one of the inhabitants of it. 7 00:00:29,380 --> 00:00:30,000 It's a society that has regulated people into castes. 8 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,360 It's a society that has regulated people into castes. 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:39,020 They are identified by the kind of clothing that they wear. 10 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:42,980 And certain women, who have the now rare ability 11 00:00:42,980 --> 00:00:47,600 to have children, are called handmaids. 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,220 So the handmaids are allocated to the top people 13 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:56,780 in the society and their wives, in order 14 00:00:56,780 --> 00:01:00,000 to act as surrogate mothers for them. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,350 to act as surrogate mothers for them. 16 00:01:00,350 --> 00:01:03,050 The wives then get the children. 17 00:01:03,050 --> 00:01:06,360 And the handmaid has to move on. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,900 So that is their function. 19 00:01:07,900 --> 00:01:11,720 And we follow the story of one of these women. 20 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,530 And that is straight out of the Bible, 21 00:01:15,530 --> 00:01:24,650 because in name it is a biblical kind of totalitarianism. 22 00:01:24,650 --> 00:01:28,850 And in the Bible, we have Rachel and Leah. 23 00:01:28,850 --> 00:01:30,000 And then we have a baby contest between them. 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,610 And then we have a baby contest between them. 25 00:01:32,610 --> 00:01:35,120 And in order to have more babies, 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:40,400 they enlist their handmaids and have babies 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,010 by the handmaids, which they themselves 28 00:01:43,010 --> 00:01:45,710 get to name and to keep. 29 00:01:45,710 --> 00:01:51,050 So that's the model for it, much as under Hitler there 30 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:53,540 were these biological wives. 31 00:01:53,540 --> 00:01:55,490 So if you were an SS man, you could 32 00:01:55,490 --> 00:02:00,000 have more than one woman, to produce more little SS 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:00,710 have more than one woman, to produce more little SS 34 00:02:00,710 --> 00:02:01,820 children. 35 00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:05,300 At that time I was living in West Berlin. 36 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:09,949 The wall around West Berlin was still in place. 37 00:02:09,949 --> 00:02:13,640 And therefore, I was seeing all of this in action. 38 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:16,010 What kicked it off was a conversation 39 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:17,960 I was having with a friend of mine. 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,280 And what we were talking about was the idea 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,440 that some people were already having then, 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,910 that women should go back into the home. 43 00:02:27,910 --> 00:02:30,000 So if women should go back into the home, 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:30,280 So if women should go back into the home, 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,650 how are you going to get them there? 46 00:02:32,650 --> 00:02:35,658 So that was a problem to be solved. 47 00:02:35,658 --> 00:02:38,586 [MUSIC PLAYING] 48 00:02:41,026 --> 00:02:49,290 "The Handmaid's Tale" came from three different, let us say, 49 00:02:49,290 --> 00:02:51,360 bodies of knowledge. 50 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:58,960 The 17th century Puritans, who had 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,000 their stronghold in Cambridge, Massachusetts, 52 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,290 their stronghold in Cambridge, Massachusetts, 53 00:03:02,290 --> 00:03:05,070 where this novel is set. 54 00:03:05,070 --> 00:03:08,190 Harvard started as a theological seminary. 55 00:03:08,190 --> 00:03:12,660 And the 17th century Puritans were not Democrats. 56 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:14,960 This was not a democratic society. 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,550 It was a theocracy. 58 00:03:17,550 --> 00:03:20,490 And they had some pretty interesting rules. 59 00:03:20,490 --> 00:03:24,786 For instance, pointing and laughing 60 00:03:24,786 --> 00:03:27,790 were quite frowned upon. 61 00:03:27,790 --> 00:03:28,860 And so were Quakers. 62 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:30,000 They were not fond of Quakers. 63 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,110 They were not fond of Quakers. 64 00:03:31,110 --> 00:03:33,310 They hanged some of them. 65 00:03:33,310 --> 00:03:36,810 So I had studied this because I had to. 66 00:03:36,810 --> 00:03:38,250 I had to fill my gap. 67 00:03:38,250 --> 00:03:42,120 And I was lucky enough to have a man called Perry Miller, who 68 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,270 originated the study of American Puritans 69 00:03:45,270 --> 00:03:51,490 in American universities and was still teaching at that time. 70 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:55,310 So these were also some of my ancestors. 71 00:03:55,310 --> 00:03:58,710 They were in those Quaker-hanging Puritans. 72 00:03:58,710 --> 00:04:00,000 So I was pretty interested in them. 73 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,400 So I was pretty interested in them. 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,050 That was one. 75 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:11,910 Number two was my study of utopias and dystopias 76 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:14,100 as literary forms. 77 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:16,260 So I was one of those teenagers who 78 00:04:16,260 --> 00:04:19,920 was reading "Brave New World." 79 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:25,080 I was reading "1984," about the time it was first published. 80 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,980 First edition, paperback, I still have it. 81 00:04:28,980 --> 00:04:30,000 Those sorts of books, Ray Bradbury, John Wyndham, 82 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,510 Those sorts of books, Ray Bradbury, John Wyndham, 83 00:04:33,510 --> 00:04:37,110 I was mainlining those as a teenager. 84 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:40,440 And I had always pretty much wanted to write one. 85 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,360 But most of them were from the point of view of men. 86 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,450 So I thought it would be interesting to take 87 00:04:48,450 --> 00:04:53,160 one of those dystopic societies and flip it, and see 88 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:59,430 what that felt like from the point of view of a woman in it. 89 00:04:59,430 --> 00:05:00,000 Another question was, if the United States 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,920 Another question was, if the United States 91 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,170 were going to have a totalitarianism-- 92 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:08,650 because totalitarianisms are the third body of knowledge. 93 00:05:08,650 --> 00:05:12,810 Having been born in 1939, I was quite familiar with them, 94 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:18,120 having lived through parts of some of them. 95 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,970 If the United States were to have a totalitarianism, 96 00:05:20,970 --> 00:05:24,510 what kind of totalitarianism would it be? 97 00:05:24,510 --> 00:05:27,600 It would not be, Hi, my name is Bob. 98 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,432 I'm a communist. 99 00:05:29,432 --> 00:05:30,000 And I'm now going to be your fearless leader. 100 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,610 And I'm now going to be your fearless leader. 101 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:36,600 That's unlikely ever to happen. 102 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,230 So if it wasn't going to be that, what would it be? 103 00:05:40,230 --> 00:05:42,480 I thought it most likely that it would 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:51,170 be some form of fundamentalist theocracy. 105 00:05:51,170 --> 00:05:54,330 And we were seeing already in the 1980s, 106 00:05:54,330 --> 00:05:59,550 the resurgence of that kind of thinking in the United States. 107 00:05:59,550 --> 00:06:00,000 Let us not forget that had the United States not 108 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,840 Let us not forget that had the United States not 109 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:07,770 entered World War II, with Pearl Harbor, 110 00:06:07,770 --> 00:06:09,390 they might have ended up with somebody 111 00:06:09,390 --> 00:06:12,420 like Charles Lindbergh for president, 112 00:06:12,420 --> 00:06:15,750 a fascist sympathizer. 113 00:06:15,750 --> 00:06:24,270 So this was not really that far off the possible. 114 00:06:24,270 --> 00:06:26,970 And at the time, I was writing. 115 00:06:26,970 --> 00:06:30,000 Although it was the '80s and the civil rights movement 116 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,230 Although it was the '80s and the civil rights movement 117 00:06:31,230 --> 00:06:36,920 had happened, we were by no means 118 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,710 in a situation in which everybody in the country 119 00:06:40,710 --> 00:06:45,360 was viewed as equal, as having equal rights. 120 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,630 And we are still not. 121 00:06:48,630 --> 00:06:51,930 So all of that thinking fed in. 122 00:06:51,930 --> 00:06:54,960 The rule that I made for the book 123 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,420 was that nothing went into it that 124 00:06:57,420 --> 00:07:00,000 had not happened in real life, somewhere, at some time. 125 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,060 had not happened in real life, somewhere, at some time. 126 00:07:03,060 --> 00:07:07,980 And that's why I collected all of the research. 127 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:10,680 And the reason I made that rule is that I didn't want anybody 128 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,620 saying, you certainly have a twisted, weird, evil 129 00:07:13,620 --> 00:07:14,430 imagination. 130 00:07:14,430 --> 00:07:17,130 You made up all these bad things. 131 00:07:17,130 --> 00:07:19,510 I didn't make them up. 132 00:07:19,510 --> 00:07:23,320 So that is one of the functions of research 133 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:27,543 in a novel like this. 134 00:07:27,543 --> 00:07:29,998 [MUSIC PLAYING] 135 00:07:31,975 --> 00:07:35,700 Let us look at some of the research. 136 00:07:35,700 --> 00:07:38,360 These are all from the mid-80s. 137 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,670 "Charges of brain-washing. 138 00:07:40,670 --> 00:07:44,370 Catholics say cult taking over." 139 00:07:44,370 --> 00:07:51,530 So this is the disciples of an 1,100-member religious sect are 140 00:07:51,530 --> 00:07:54,320 practicing brainwashing. 141 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,870 And they subordinate women. 142 00:07:56,870 --> 00:08:00,000 They discourage social contact with nonmembers. 143 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:00,290 They discourage social contact with nonmembers. 144 00:08:00,290 --> 00:08:02,090 They arrange marriages. 145 00:08:02,090 --> 00:08:05,390 And they move teenage disciples to, 146 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:08,090 quote, "households for indoctrination." 147 00:08:10,980 --> 00:08:12,830 I didn't make it up. 148 00:08:12,830 --> 00:08:13,760 All right. 149 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,110 Here we go. 150 00:08:15,110 --> 00:08:16,460 That was a Catholic sect. 151 00:08:16,460 --> 00:08:19,160 But there have been a number of different sorts 152 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,250 of cults of this kind. 153 00:08:22,250 --> 00:08:24,610 Their treatment of women is very Islamic, 154 00:08:24,610 --> 00:08:27,050 somebody said in the mid-80s. 155 00:08:27,050 --> 00:08:30,000 Brainwashing, People of Hope, et cetera. 156 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,670 Brainwashing, People of Hope, et cetera. 157 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:37,740 So they weren't actually forcing people to join this cult. 158 00:08:37,740 --> 00:08:40,740 But the wives of the coordinators are called, 159 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:44,440 quotes, "handmaidens." 160 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,310 As I say, I didn't make it up. 161 00:08:47,310 --> 00:08:51,130 But that's straight out of the Bible, anyway. 162 00:08:51,130 --> 00:08:54,940 Again, a lot of research on Mormons, for instance. 163 00:08:54,940 --> 00:08:59,820 And on American slavery, who was allowed to read, 164 00:08:59,820 --> 00:09:00,000 who was not allowed to read, the Underground Railroad. 165 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,260 who was not allowed to read, the Underground Railroad. 166 00:09:04,260 --> 00:09:10,320 The "Handmaid's Tale" has a similar escape route. 167 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,480 Going through the research materials, 168 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:18,120 you will come across efforts to control reproduction one 169 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,360 way or another, either to make people have more babies 170 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,790 or to make people have fewer babies. 171 00:09:23,790 --> 00:09:26,130 Totalitarian regimes are big on that 172 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:30,000 because they want planned societies, like really planned. 173 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:30,300 because they want planned societies, like really planned. 174 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:34,700 And sometimes those go spectacularly off the rails. 175 00:09:34,700 --> 00:09:39,630 So Ceausescu, in Romania, mandated that women 176 00:09:39,630 --> 00:09:41,640 should have four children. 177 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,050 He gave them pregnancy tests every month. 178 00:09:44,050 --> 00:09:48,270 And if they weren't pregnant, they had to say why. 179 00:09:48,270 --> 00:09:49,790 And, of course, what that meant was 180 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:51,540 that people were having children that they 181 00:09:51,540 --> 00:09:52,840 couldn't afford to support. 182 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,140 And they were putting them in orphanages. 183 00:09:55,140 --> 00:10:00,000 And that created really a pretty bad situation in Romania. 184 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,040 And that created really a pretty bad situation in Romania. 185 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,230 But that's in the "Handmaid's Tale" historical notes. 186 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:07,170 I reference a lot of those things in the notes. 187 00:10:11,035 --> 00:10:15,210 So the cults-- the credit cards, how you 188 00:10:15,210 --> 00:10:17,100 would cut people's money off. 189 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:19,860 So if you wanted to get women back into the home, 190 00:10:19,860 --> 00:10:22,710 you would have to reverse the financial progress 191 00:10:22,710 --> 00:10:26,869 that they made over the past, say, 150 years. 192 00:10:26,869 --> 00:10:28,410 So they moved from a point where they 193 00:10:28,410 --> 00:10:30,000 couldn't control their own money or have 194 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,080 couldn't control their own money or have 195 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:38,240 really any kinds of jobs that were not servant jobs. 196 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,750 They moved out of that position, into the 20th century 197 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:45,320 and the 21st century, in which they gain the right 198 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,740 to control their own finances, have their own bank 199 00:10:48,740 --> 00:10:53,430 accounts, own houses, that kind of thing. 200 00:10:53,430 --> 00:10:55,640 So how would you get them back into the home? 201 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,100 You'd have to immediately cut that off. 202 00:10:58,100 --> 00:11:00,000 Cut off the access to money. 203 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,260 Cut off the access to money. 204 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,480 And the credit card, unfortunately, 205 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:07,810 allows you to do that, should you wish to, very quickly. 206 00:11:07,810 --> 00:11:11,870 In fact, any form of electronic sorting and tagging 207 00:11:11,870 --> 00:11:15,200 allows you to do that kind of control 208 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,380 in a way that wouldn't have been possible before. 209 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:21,680 So here comes the credit card. 210 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:30,000 And I would suggest that you not get rid of cash money. 211 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,300 And I would suggest that you not get rid of cash money. 212 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:36,930 Cash money is actually more fluid than credit card money. 213 00:11:36,930 --> 00:11:42,880 And it's much harder to control your access to it. 214 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,470 So cash can be a security problem. 215 00:11:46,470 --> 00:11:49,560 Checks can bounce, et cetera, et cetera, all this rationale. 216 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:52,860 This is January, 1984. 217 00:11:52,860 --> 00:11:56,660 People were already thinking of getting rid of cash money. 218 00:11:56,660 --> 00:11:58,678 Don't do it. 219 00:11:58,678 --> 00:12:00,000 [MUSIC PLAYING] 220 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,150 [MUSIC PLAYING] 221 00:12:05,126 --> 00:12:12,800 I sometimes do draw little sketches of things in my books. 222 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:17,240 "The Handmaid's Tale" is very dependent on clothing 223 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,490 and what people are wearing because, 224 00:12:19,490 --> 00:12:22,160 like medieval societies, it's very 225 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,890 specific who is wearing what. 226 00:12:24,890 --> 00:12:29,840 So the costume is apparently inspired by nuns, of course. 227 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:30,000 But also by the old Dutch Cleanser package of the 1940s, 228 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,900 But also by the old Dutch Cleanser package of the 1940s, 229 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:36,860 which showed this pretty sinister looking woman 230 00:12:36,860 --> 00:12:38,740 holding a great big stick. 231 00:12:38,740 --> 00:12:41,610 And she was supposed to be chasing the dirt. 232 00:12:41,610 --> 00:12:46,050 But she had a bonnet that was hiding her face. 233 00:12:46,050 --> 00:12:50,030 So I think I imprinted on that as a innocent child. 234 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:52,670 It was quite a mysterious figure. 235 00:12:52,670 --> 00:13:00,000 I did the costumes as red because, of course, 236 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:00,990 I did the costumes as red because, of course, 237 00:13:00,990 --> 00:13:05,740 it's a iconic color. 238 00:13:05,740 --> 00:13:09,610 So none of these ideas are particularly new. 239 00:13:09,610 --> 00:13:11,370 And they weren't new-- 240 00:13:11,370 --> 00:13:14,290 they weren't new then. 241 00:13:14,290 --> 00:13:20,180 So the eye is a sort of logo, particularly for the Secret 242 00:13:20,180 --> 00:13:21,970 Service. 243 00:13:21,970 --> 00:13:26,700 And sometimes, of course, it's got wings on it. 244 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:30,000 The Secret Service people in the regime are called the Eyes. 245 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,120 The Secret Service people in the regime are called the Eyes. 246 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,670 They're the people who do all the unpleasant spy work. 247 00:13:35,670 --> 00:13:41,130 The eye is off the American money, basically a Masonic eye, 248 00:13:41,130 --> 00:13:42,810 off the Great Seal. 249 00:13:42,810 --> 00:13:45,480 But it is also the eye of God, that 250 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,280 rolls around over all of the world, seeing everything. 251 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,690 The thing about totalitarianisms is that they're 252 00:13:51,690 --> 00:13:54,900 very big on logos and designs. 253 00:13:54,900 --> 00:14:00,000 And this totalitarianism is no different. 254 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:00,790 And this totalitarianism is no different. 255 00:14:00,790 --> 00:14:04,570 If only Hitler had been accepted at art school, 256 00:14:04,570 --> 00:14:07,180 world history would have been different 257 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:10,770 because he was happiest when designing costumes and stage 258 00:14:10,770 --> 00:14:11,690 sets. 259 00:14:11,690 --> 00:14:16,450 That's what he really liked about his regime. 260 00:14:16,450 --> 00:14:18,250 There's a movie about that called 261 00:14:18,250 --> 00:14:21,130 "The Architecture of Doom," which 262 00:14:21,130 --> 00:14:24,140 goes into his architectural interests. 263 00:14:24,140 --> 00:14:27,130 You can see why he wasn't accepted at art school 264 00:14:27,130 --> 00:14:30,000 because although he could draw buildings, 265 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:30,170 because although he could draw buildings, 266 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:33,240 he couldn't do people, really hardly at all. 267 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,530 What does that tell you? 20429

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