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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,319 --> 00:00:11,280 I think that the joy of world building 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,280 in fiction is honestly the joy of 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,080 getting to play God 4 00:00:16,080 --> 00:00:19,439 because as an author you get to build 5 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:22,640 the world. Some authors do it a little 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,920 more invisibly than others. In the same 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,760 way, as far as I'm concerned, all 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,480 fiction is fantasy. It is all made up. 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,520 You are creating people who didn't exist 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,320 or didn't exist like that and putting 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,239 them into situations that they were 12 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:40,320 never in. Making them say things they 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,800 never said. It's it is an act of magical 14 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,320 creation 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,800 to do that 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,800 when you're starting out as a young 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,199 writer. Especially a young writer 18 00:00:59,199 --> 00:01:02,320 wanting to explore the fantastic, 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:07,040 wanting to create places that are not. 20 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,119 The urge, 21 00:01:09,119 --> 00:01:11,520 which you should always try and push 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,360 back against, the urge is to take places 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,400 from fiction. 24 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,960 You know, it's it's the the urge, the 25 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:24,000 fanfiction urge. And fanfiction is great 26 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,119 in its place, but if you are going to be 27 00:01:27,119 --> 00:01:30,159 a young writer and you are going to want 28 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:32,960 to create a world, you don't want a 29 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:35,680 world that you borrowed from Tolken. 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,880 What you want to do 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,000 is look at the world outside. 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,040 Look at the world outside your window. 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,399 Get out there onto the streets. 34 00:01:48,399 --> 00:01:51,280 Look at places. Think about the places 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,560 that you've been and then change them. 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,000 Make them bigger. Make them smaller. 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,000 If you're somebody who's only ever been 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,079 to school and you think you have nothing 39 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:05,759 to write about except school, 40 00:02:05,759 --> 00:02:08,399 what would that school be like if it 41 00:02:08,399 --> 00:02:11,200 covered an entire city? 42 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,840 What would that school be like 43 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,239 if it was an island? 44 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:19,280 What would that school be like 45 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,360 if it was floating 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,040 in the sky and people only got to visit 47 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,400 it dragged on the backs of enormous 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,000 birds? How do you get to that school? 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,840 That gives you a place. But it gives you 50 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,280 a place grounded in realism because the 51 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,040 moment that you start describing a 52 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,599 school, if you know a school, you know 53 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:45,360 the things that make schools weird and 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,920 unusual, the smell of cooking cabbage 55 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:55,360 or the smell of um sports clothes 56 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,599 unwashed in lockers. You know what that 57 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:02,480 place is. You know what kinds of people 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,640 are there? Every little detail that you 59 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:09,840 can steal from the world 60 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,159 and smuggle with you into your fiction 61 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:18,080 is something that makes your world more 62 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,920 real for your reader. But much more 63 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:23,280 important, it makes it more real for 64 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,200 you. 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,560 You need to be the one who believes in 66 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,920 your story. You need to be able to 67 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,360 believe in your places. If you are 68 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,640 building a world, you have to care about 69 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:38,400 the world. And sometimes you're also 70 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,519 going to have to stop and ask yourself 71 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:44,080 weird questions. 72 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,159 Even if those questions are not answered 73 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:47,840 in the text, it's always good for you to 74 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,000 know, 75 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,599 you know, where do these people go to 76 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,360 the toilet? 77 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,159 Where do they get their food from? 78 00:03:56,159 --> 00:04:00,799 How much food does it take to feed a 79 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:04,319 small city? 80 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:06,239 How much farmland? Where are these 81 00:04:06,239 --> 00:04:08,239 farms? Where does the food come from? 82 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:11,439 Where does it come in? And suddenly 83 00:04:11,439 --> 00:04:14,959 you're asking yourself questions 84 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:19,199 um that it's good for you to know even 85 00:04:19,199 --> 00:04:23,840 if you don't want ever to turn your book 86 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:27,680 into a treatise on medieval economics. 87 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,400 Um if you're writing something set in 88 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,479 medieval times, do your homework. 89 00:04:34,479 --> 00:04:38,199 Go and look at places. 90 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,520 There's a there's a trope 91 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,280 in a lot of stories in the Arabian 92 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,960 Knights, the thousand1 knights. 93 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,160 There's a moment that somebody people 94 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,880 traveling together 95 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,639 enter a city 96 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:02,000 and in the crush of people at the gates 97 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,520 of the city they get separated 98 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,919 and it happens over and over again. 99 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:11,520 And it was something that had never 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,600 particularly made much sense to me 101 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,160 until I was in old Jerusalem 102 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,479 little over a decade ago with my guides. 103 00:05:24,479 --> 00:05:27,759 And we had to get from old Jerusalem and 104 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:29,280 go out through one of the old city 105 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:31,919 gates. And there were thousands of 106 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:34,720 people pouring through the gates in both 107 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,479 directions. 108 00:05:36,479 --> 00:05:39,600 And I found myself swept up and carried 109 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,560 away from my guides. 110 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,000 And when we got through the gates 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,639 and the people had dissipated enough 112 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,000 that I could look around and try and 113 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,360 find them, they were nowhere to be seen. 114 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,039 And I realized that this was that 115 00:05:57,039 --> 00:05:58,880 moment. It's a thing that happens in 116 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,400 fiction. 117 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,120 And now I've never written it, but now 118 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,680 if ever I were writing an Arabian 119 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:09,039 Knight's story, I would know how that 120 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:12,400 feels. I would know what that is and I 121 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,800 would make it very, very believable 122 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,160 because it's happened to me 123 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,120 and I can give that to my characters. 124 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,039 There's always a tiny part of you as a 125 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:25,440 writer who 126 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,039 metaphorically 127 00:06:27,039 --> 00:06:29,280 or really is standing there with a 128 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,120 notebook 129 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,080 just taking notes. And it can come out 130 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,000 in the worst times. It can come out in 131 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,080 the worst moments of your life. You can 132 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,720 be there in the hospital 133 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,960 and your friend or your loved one is 134 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,280 being wheeled away 135 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,440 and you can go, "Okay, what does this 136 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,919 place smell like? 137 00:06:51,919 --> 00:06:54,479 How are they behaving? 138 00:06:54,479 --> 00:06:56,720 How do I feel right now? How do these 139 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,199 people feel right now? 140 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:01,280 Because one day you're going to be 141 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,280 writing fiction. 142 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:06,960 And you will need that moment. 143 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,280 You'll need the way that the lights of 144 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,520 the cars glint off the broken glass and 145 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,160 the blood on the asphalt. one day to 146 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,880 make a story true. 147 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,520 So the action of world building, 148 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,000 whether you are building 149 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,680 New York or Los Angeles 150 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,560 or the aisle of sky, places that really 151 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,240 exist, places you might be familiar 152 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,000 with, or whether you are creating a 153 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,240 graveyard, whether you're creating an 154 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,880 enormous world underneath London, uh 155 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,720 whether you're creating a magical 156 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,759 America that doesn't quite might exist 157 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:58,080 in a state of heightened reality. The 158 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,639 action of world building is always the 159 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:04,960 same. You start with a world 160 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,440 and you're going to fill it with people 161 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,280 and you decide what's important about 162 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,000 the world. What's convincing about the 163 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,560 world? The worlds that we build in 164 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,080 fiction, they're soap bubbles. They can 165 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,759 pop really easily, but they seem really, 166 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:25,759 really solid. Anything you can say that 167 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:29,840 makes them feel real, that buttresses 168 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,399 them, that gives credibility, 169 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:37,200 you then assume that the author could 170 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,240 tell you everything else. It goes off in 171 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,640 all directions. But that one little 172 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,360 moment of reality. That one thing that 173 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,480 seems to be absolutely true 174 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,880 gives credence and gives credibility 175 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,519 to all of the things that you don't say 176 00:08:55,519 --> 00:08:57,440 to all of the bits that are really just 177 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,880 sort of misty smudges in the background. 178 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:02,160 But then somebody looks at them and 179 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,480 goes, "Ah, but I'm sure like this thing 180 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,720 here, all of those misty smudges in the 181 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,959 background if we move in are actually 182 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:11,600 going to become craggy mountains." And 183 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,320 each mountain will be different. And you 184 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,440 know, of course, that they aren't. 185 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,720 They're just smudges in the background. 186 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,800 But that's okay because the one mountain 187 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,839 that we visited was real cuz it was 188 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:26,880 informed by you and a mountain 189 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,360 or just you and a very big hill and an 190 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,360 imagination. 191 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,560 One thing that is very important for you 192 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:45,040 to know, 193 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,160 but not necessarily important for you to 194 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,320 tell, 195 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,120 is what the rules are. 196 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,120 You need to understand, especially if 197 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,720 you're creating anything in the world of 198 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,959 the fantastic, 199 00:09:58,959 --> 00:10:02,720 what the rules of your world are. 200 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,600 The problem with this 201 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,040 is that when we arrive in this world, 202 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,399 nobody tells us what the rules are. 203 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:14,880 Nobody hands you as a small child a rule 204 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,440 book, letting you know how gravity 205 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,839 works, how fire works, how basic 206 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:22,240 economics works, 207 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,880 um how people behave, what they're 208 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,680 expected to do. 209 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:30,079 They don't tell you that. 210 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:31,600 You have to kind of figure it out as you 211 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,680 go along. 212 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:35,760 There are rules. Some of them are 213 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,560 explicit. Some of them are implicit. 214 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,680 When you're world building, 215 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:45,040 you need to know what the rules are. You 216 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,560 need to know what the explicit rules 217 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,680 are, what the implicit rules are. And 218 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,160 knowing them, 219 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,880 you need to treat them as you would this 220 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,880 world. 221 00:10:58,079 --> 00:11:00,640 People find things out by making 222 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,320 mistakes. You find out that fire is hot 223 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,079 by picking up something that's been in 224 00:11:06,079 --> 00:11:08,079 the fire or putting your hand in it and 225 00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:10,880 going, "Ow." 226 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,560 You find out that if you are given a 227 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:14,720 precious thing made of ice, you need to 228 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,480 keep it cold because if you put it in 229 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:18,399 your pocket, pretty soon you will just 230 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:22,240 have a wet pocket and no precious thing. 231 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,040 That's the way that you find out how the 232 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,200 rules work. 233 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,440 In this world, 234 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,240 it's always by trial and it's always by 235 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,200 error. So for world building, 236 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,320 you allow your characters to discover 237 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,240 what the rules of your world are, which 238 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,760 you know, and they discover it by making 239 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,800 mistakes or by taking advantage of those 240 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,399 rules. 241 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:52,480 Let things happen to your characters. 242 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Let them go out and bump into things. 243 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,440 let them go out and make mistakes and 244 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:01,760 always know more than you tell. 245 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,600 Um, 246 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:04,959 you know, there is nothing more 247 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:07,120 frustrating for an author to have people 248 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,800 go, I don't really understand the rules 249 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,639 of this place 250 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:13,279 and 251 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:15,519 because it's fine. Nobody understands 252 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,240 the rules of New York either, 253 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,920 but they will find out what some of the 254 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,040 rules are by making mistakes and some of 255 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,880 the rules by hanging around with people 256 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,320 who seem to have figured out what a few 257 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,399 of the rules of New York are. And that's 258 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:31,399 okay. 259 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:37,680 Before I started writing the graveyard 260 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:43,600 book, I visited a lot of graveyards. 261 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,839 The initial inspiration for the 262 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:49,760 graveyard book had just been a little 263 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,079 country graveyard 264 00:12:52,079 --> 00:12:54,880 behind a church across the lane from 265 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,639 where we lived. I would take my son who 266 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:02,399 was two maybe two and a half across that 267 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:05,040 little lane with his tricycle and he 268 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,839 would pedal his tricycle on the paths 269 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:09,920 between the gravestones. 270 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,079 And I remember looking at him one day 271 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:15,440 and just going, "You look so comfortable 272 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,040 here." 273 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:18,480 And then thinking, "Wouldn't it be 274 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,079 interesting to do a story about a kid 275 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:23,920 who gets lost in a graveyard and brought 276 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,399 up by dead people?" I thought it would 277 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,880 be kind of like 278 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,760 The Jungle Book, only it will be in a 279 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,040 graveyard. It will be the graveyard 280 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,519 book. And that 281 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,040 was the idea. I would have been 25 years 282 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:45,200 old. I remember going straight up to um 283 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,680 my office and writing the first chapter, 284 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,200 looking at what I'd written going, the 285 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,399 idea is so much better than I am a 286 00:13:56,399 --> 00:14:00,000 writer. I'm going to put this off. And 287 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 it wasn't putting it off from the sense 288 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,680 of going, I'm going to leave this 289 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:05,279 unfinished. It was a sense of going, 290 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:08,720 okay, my chops are not there yet to do 291 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,720 justice to this. So, here I I have this 292 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,800 thing. I'll probably never look at this 293 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,120 first chapter again. 294 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:18,800 Um, 295 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,160 but I will come back to this in 5 years, 296 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,360 in 10 years, when I'm better, when I'm 297 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,800 good enough. and actually wound up 298 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,240 coming into it almost 20 years later 299 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,680 when I really figured that not only was 300 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,240 I not getting any better, but I was as 301 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:37,360 good as I was going to get, so I might 302 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,279 as well I I had no option. It was now 303 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:42,000 time to write it. 304 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,800 But during that period, I would go and 305 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,519 visit graveyards. I knew that I would be 306 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:50,240 setting a story in a graveyard and I 307 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,519 knew that I needed things from 308 00:14:53,519 --> 00:14:55,680 graveyards so I needed to go and look at 309 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,680 them. So my world building exercise was 310 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,320 just visiting graveyards visiting Stoke 311 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,000 Newington 312 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,199 uh graveyard park which had a glorious 313 00:15:07,199 --> 00:15:11,839 sort of ruined chapel in the middle 314 00:15:11,839 --> 00:15:13,279 and looking at that chapel and going 315 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:15,920 right I'm going to have you. You're in 316 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,920 my story. 317 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,120 Going to Glasgow Necropolis, 318 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,760 which is all on a hill just outside of 319 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,360 Glasgow, 320 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,399 and going, I'm I'm taking your topology. 321 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:30,720 I'm going to take the hill. And the fact 322 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,800 that you're outside of the city, I like 323 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,440 that. That feels right. 324 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Now, I was building 325 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,839 I built a world that was a graveyard in 326 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,120 my head. 327 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,880 I'd been playing around with it. I've 328 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,639 been building it. I've been seeing what 329 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:50,880 kind of people lived in it. I was 330 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:56,800 figuring out all of the details. 331 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,199 And wherever I would go, I would just 332 00:15:59,199 --> 00:16:01,920 visit the local graveyard 333 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,680 um and see if there was a little thing 334 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,519 that I could take and put into the 335 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:08,160 graveyard that was in my head. Which 336 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,199 meant that when 20 years later I started 337 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:13,680 writing the graveyard book and I knew 338 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,600 that the graveyard was my jungle. It had 339 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,240 to be big enough and interesting enough 340 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,320 that I could set basically an entire 341 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,680 novel in this one location 342 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,600 that 343 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,839 it would be that interesting that I 344 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:31,199 would know I knew by that point what a 345 00:16:31,199 --> 00:16:33,519 graveyard was. I knew why it was there. 346 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:37,199 I knew the history of them. And that 347 00:16:37,199 --> 00:16:42,480 allowed me to make this a real place. 348 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,800 So a lot of what you do in world 349 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,720 building 350 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,480 is you do your homework, you do your 351 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,639 research. It's like I was talking about 352 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:55,199 with Neverware, getting to go through 353 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:58,720 the tunnels, getting shown around. Um, 354 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,959 go on walks, see things, 355 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:06,640 all of that. And then take notes. Use 356 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,520 the the voice function on your phone to 357 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,480 make little notes to yourself. Use a a 358 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,919 tiny notebook. I always, wherever I go, 359 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:20,959 whatever I do, um have impossible to get 360 00:17:20,959 --> 00:17:24,160 out of my pocket. 361 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:31,440 Tiny notebooks on me. This is one. And 362 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,679 I will always 363 00:17:33,679 --> 00:17:37,440 jot down things, little ideas. I may 364 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,039 never go back to them. I may never see 365 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,360 them again, but once they're jotted 366 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:45,840 down, they're rotting away usefully on 367 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,120 the compost heap of my imagination, and 368 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:53,080 they're there if I need them. 369 00:17:57,679 --> 00:18:01,360 I think authors you read when you are 370 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,120 young 371 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:06,799 affect you on a level that is very very 372 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:09,760 primal and very different. So the 373 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,480 authors whose work I encountered 374 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,559 as a child 375 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,880 who built worlds 376 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,000 um really stayed with me 377 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,799 and I would look at what they had done 378 00:18:26,799 --> 00:18:29,200 and uh and 379 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,160 puzzle over it and think about it a lot. 380 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,080 Tolken obviously um was a huge influence 381 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,880 on me. I've never actually 382 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,799 uh written anything in somewhere that 383 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:45,039 resembles Middle Earth, I think. Um 384 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,600 except for a little bit in in Stardust, 385 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,240 but Stardust is much more a world of 386 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,559 fairy tale. Um but just the feeling that 387 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:57,120 this was a place that I would recognize 388 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,960 if I saw it, if I went there, I would 389 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,559 know that I was there. The same 390 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,720 obviously with Narnia 391 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:10,640 and the idea as CS Lewis built an entire 392 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,720 country or kingdom and I knew that if I 393 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,160 were in Narnia I would know that I was 394 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,240 in Narnia. Um I'd know the people. I'd 395 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,960 know the way that everything looked, the 396 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,160 way that it felt. descriptions of huge 397 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,080 cliffs 398 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,799 um and looking down at the clouds so far 399 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,200 below you they look like tiny sheep and 400 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,039 you remember this kind of thing. Um 401 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:39,440 and then there were the writers who 402 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,200 would world build in a way that I wasn't 403 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,160 so conscious of. As an adult, I look 404 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,559 back and I go, "Whoa, it was a 405 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,640 remarkable, fascinating act of world 406 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,960 building." But at the time, all I was 407 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,240 aware of was the story. An example of 408 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,679 that would be PL Travers writing the 409 00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:02,000 Mary Poppins stories 410 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,480 where I looked at it as just being set 411 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,240 in London 412 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,440 and didn't actually examine the 413 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,240 mechanics of the way that PL Travers 414 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,200 built her universe. A universe in which 415 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,160 you could go to a zoo or a circus of the 416 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:21,760 stars 417 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:26,720 at night. um a world in which people in 418 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,640 spring would appear in the park and 419 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,000 paint paint the trees, paint everything, 420 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,760 take it out of its winter clothes and 421 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,480 into the summer clothes. Um a world in 422 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,039 which things happened between things in 423 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,120 which the simple presence of Mary 424 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,880 Poppins would deform reality 425 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,080 and make everything hyperreal. in which 426 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,559 Mary Poppins acted as a bridge between 427 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:54,480 the world 428 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,880 of pure imagination and the way that 429 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,520 things should be and the world that we 430 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,080 lived in, the way that things were. And 431 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,159 all of those things 432 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:08,240 as a kid affected me hugely 433 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,799 because each of them felt like a real 434 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,760 place. I remember running into Hope 435 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,799 Merley's book, Blood in the Mist. 436 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:19,840 um a book which absolutely defies the 437 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,559 entirety of the the show don't tell 438 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:24,720 paradigm by just beginning almost as a 439 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,600 travalog and history of an imaginary 440 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,200 country of blood in the mist the kingdom 441 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,200 of Dorare 442 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,440 the town of blood in the mist and then 443 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,559 gradually becomes a detective story and 444 00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,440 a ghost story a story of generations a 445 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,960 story of one person's struggle to be who 446 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,120 they are and to find happiness in an 447 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:52,240 awkward world. Um, of the struggle, the 448 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,320 infinite struggle between fantasy and 449 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,559 reality, between fairy, between poetry 450 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:02,559 and the mundane and prosaic life and all 451 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,679 of those things are there in an act of 452 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:08,400 worldb buildinging and an act of 453 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,600 geography, in an act of history. 454 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,919 So a beautiful book like that and that 455 00:22:13,919 --> 00:22:18,400 stuff influenced me. I would sit there 456 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,799 as a small boy 457 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:23,039 drawing maps 458 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:27,760 influenced I think a lot by the maps in 459 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,559 Ursula Leguin's Earth Sea series. 460 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,320 There's a map in the front of these 461 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,200 archipelos and and I love the shapes of 462 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,559 islands. So I would sit and draw magical 463 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,360 little archipelos and islands and the 464 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,520 shapes of cities and worlds. Um, and I 465 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,559 would imagine stories set on them. And 466 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:51,679 even to this day, every now and again, I 467 00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:54,720 will nip in and set a story in one of 468 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,679 those places on the maps that I drew 469 00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:01,760 when I was 11 or 12 years old.33819

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