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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,599 When you're a writer starting out, 2 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:16,480 the idea of your voice, of your style is 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,880 huge. Um, you want to know what your 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:23,279 voice is. You don't really know. I once 5 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:26,400 years ago ran into a quote from Jerry 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,760 Garcia where he said, "Style is the 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,640 stuff that you get wrong. If you were 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,399 actually playing the guitar perfectly, 9 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:38,239 um, if you were making music perfectly, 10 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:40,239 there would be no style." And I thought 11 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:42,399 this was such a great quote and 12 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:45,520 remembered it and years later went to 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,840 find it on the internet and the only 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,360 place I could ever find it was me saying 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,520 it in interviews. So maybe he never said 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,480 it at all. Um, but I do think that a 17 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,760 writer's voice, which is huge, which is 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,000 important, which is actually the thing 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,399 that the reader responds to more than 20 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:06,000 anything else, at the end of the day 21 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,119 is a result of getting to the point 22 00:01:09,119 --> 00:01:10,720 where you discover this is what you 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,439 sound like. And the problem I think that 24 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:16,479 a lot of young writers have is they 25 00:01:16,479 --> 00:01:20,439 don't sound like anybody yet. 26 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:26,560 I know when I was a young writer, I 27 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 didn't really sound like anybody. Um, 28 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,600 what I did was sounded like everybody 29 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,920 else. And it it's what you do when 30 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,400 you're starting out. You imitate. You 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,439 find voices that you like. You go, "This 32 00:01:41,439 --> 00:01:43,520 person's doing something great." I would 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,960 I would look at writers like Ari Lafetty 34 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:49,119 or Harlon Allison 35 00:01:49,119 --> 00:01:53,280 um Rogers Alasnne, Ursula Leguin. I go I 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,439 love this thing that they do. I'll try 37 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:58,880 and do that. Was very strange. I wrote a 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,119 children's book um when I was 39 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:05,600 what 22. It's the first thing I ever 40 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,119 wrote. 41 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:11,440 Um, it exists only in my attic and in 42 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,200 manuscript 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:18,000 and uh, it's not pretty good. But when 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,599 after after Coraline came out, 45 00:02:21,599 --> 00:02:23,360 I thought, hang on, I have that 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,160 children's book in my attic. I wonder if 47 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,040 it's any good. And I went off, I found 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,680 it, I read it to my daughter, Maddie, 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,640 who at that point was six or seven. And 50 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:36,800 at the end of the day, I sent it back up 51 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,440 to the attic where it resides and will 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,480 reside until the crack of doom. 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,160 What really fascinated me about it 54 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,280 was there was about a page and a half 55 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,959 somewhere toward the end that read like 56 00:02:50,959 --> 00:02:52,800 me. 57 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,440 It read like for the rest of it, it read 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,080 like Noah Langley and Rald Dah. It read 59 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,840 like every children's author I'd ever 60 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,480 read. And it's all coming back out 61 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,480 again. There's nothing really original. 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,400 I haven't figured out how to do 63 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,120 anything. And that's great. And that's 64 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,760 absolutely fine because 65 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,200 you don't have to get it right at the 66 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,680 beginning. You you start out by making 67 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,200 mistakes. You start out by getting it 68 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:18,800 wrong. The the most important thing you 69 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,640 do is just write, but there was just a 70 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,519 page. And I looked at it. I thought that 71 00:03:25,519 --> 00:03:29,040 that's me. That actually reads like me. 72 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,799 And 73 00:03:30,799 --> 00:03:33,760 seeing that felt wonderful 74 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,799 because it was the idea that yeah, 22 75 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:39,440 year old Neil actually the voice was 76 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,400 there. I just had to do a whole lot more 77 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 writing. 78 00:03:49,519 --> 00:03:52,239 I think mistakes may be the most 79 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:57,120 important thing for a writer. Um the 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,480 question of how do you find your 81 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,120 mistakes is very easy. You do stuff. Um 82 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,120 the process of living, the process of 83 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,040 trying to create, the process of getting 84 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,439 out there and doing something is always 85 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,959 a process in which you are going to 86 00:04:12,959 --> 00:04:15,680 screw up. You are going to break things. 87 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,840 You are going to try things that do not 88 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:20,320 work. 89 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,040 That's huge. Chuck Jones said, "You have 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,840 a million bad drawings in your pencil, 91 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:30,960 and your job as an artist is to get them 92 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,440 out so the good ones can follow." 93 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,400 And I think as a writer and especially 94 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,280 as a young writer, 95 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,600 your job is to get the bad words out, 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,919 the bad sentences out, the the stories 97 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:49,600 that aren't any good yet. And you don't 98 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,440 ever get them out going, I'm going to 99 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,520 write a really bad story now. I I just 100 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,120 have to get this out. You think it's a 101 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:56,320 great story. You think it's a great 102 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,560 idea. You think it's good, at least, but 103 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,800 the most important, and it may be, but 104 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,120 the most important thing is just you get 105 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,120 it out. You know, if you you want to 106 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,280 write an award-winning 107 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:11,759 television episode, 108 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:13,039 you're gonna write episodes of 109 00:05:13,039 --> 00:05:16,240 television that 110 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,400 the critics don't like. If you want to 111 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,720 write an award-winning movie, you're 112 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,560 going to write movies that the critics 113 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,919 don't like. If you want to write 114 00:05:23,919 --> 00:05:25,680 award-winning short stories, you're 115 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,600 going to write short stories that nobody 116 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,759 reads, that don't really work. That's 117 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:31,199 okay. 118 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,919 And after you've written 119 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:36,720 10,000 words, 30,000 words, 60,000 120 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,039 words, 150,000 words, a million words, 121 00:05:41,039 --> 00:05:43,520 you will have your voice because your 122 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,000 voice is the stuff you can't help doing. 123 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,840 And your voice is going to be there if 124 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,759 you decide to write a Philip Marlo style 125 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:55,039 hard-boiled detective story. Um, your 126 00:05:55,039 --> 00:05:56,560 voice is going to be there if you're 127 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,199 writing a fantasy or a space opera. your 128 00:05:59,199 --> 00:06:00,560 voice is going to be there. If you're 129 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,880 writing um Dr. Nurse romance fiction, 130 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,600 your voice is going to be there because 131 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,520 you will have found it because it's the 132 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,039 stuff that is going to be there anyway. 133 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,800 Everything that you do as a young writer 134 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,080 is going to be important in getting your 135 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,080 voice. 136 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,440 But the most important thing is just 137 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,520 writing. The most important thing that 138 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,759 will teach you who you are 139 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:41,280 is you write and you finish things if 140 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:43,199 you can. 141 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:49,199 I have um up in my attic 142 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,520 probably 143 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,240 100 200 144 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,440 first pages, first two pages, maybe even 145 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,479 the first three pages of things I wrote 146 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:04,319 between the ages of 16 147 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:07,120 and 20. And I would just start short 148 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,800 stories 149 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,080 and none of them ever sort of went 150 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,240 anywhere. They I I had a setup. I had 151 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,479 some characters. I I wanted to see what 152 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:19,440 would happen. And then three pages in 153 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:24,160 they'd sort of sputter and flame out and 154 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:25,599 they'd be dead. And that was okay. And 155 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:28,720 I'd start another one. 156 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,240 It wasn't until I was probably about 20, 157 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,520 maybe 21, that I realized that actually 158 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,400 I had to start finishing them. 159 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,440 And at that point 160 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,120 the the improvement 161 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,680 became to use a word Terry Patchet used 162 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,400 to love using quantum. 163 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:55,440 Um because as you finish things 164 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,560 you start to learn what it is that you 165 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,919 did. There's a genuine improvement that 166 00:08:01,919 --> 00:08:04,319 you can start to see. You learn more 167 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:06,479 from finishing a failure than you do 168 00:08:06,479 --> 00:08:08,639 from writing a success. And you 169 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:10,560 definitely learn more from finishing a 170 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,639 failure than you ever do from beginning 171 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:17,319 something that is fantastic but stops. 172 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,319 You can take a dozen short stories by 173 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:29,039 me. You could take half a dozen novels 174 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:30,800 by me. 175 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,159 And on the one hand, they'd use 176 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:36,240 absolutely different language. They have 177 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,320 a different feel. 178 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,240 They could almost be written by 179 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,800 different people, except that they're 180 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,360 obviously all written by me. 181 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,760 There is a uniformity there. And it's 182 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,600 not necessarily a uniformity of word 183 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,240 choice. It's not even a uniformity of 184 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,279 voice. It's more about attitude. Each 185 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:58,560 story has its own voice, but the 186 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:01,600 attitude, the soul, 187 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,200 the thing you take away from it, 188 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,640 hopefully that's all me and that can be 189 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,680 all you. I think if you're a young 190 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,720 writer, if you're a writer setting out 191 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,959 trying to find the voice of a project, 192 00:09:14,959 --> 00:09:18,000 the most important thing is just take a 193 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,399 stab at it. 194 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,800 Sit down, think before you start 195 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:26,720 writing, just think what are the most 196 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,880 important things about the project. Does 197 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,360 it feel like it's first person, third 198 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,640 person? Who's telling you the story? 199 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Does it matter who's telling you the 200 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,399 story? American Gods. Um, 201 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,640 I wrote the first chapter in the first 202 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,240 person. 203 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,880 It was told by Shadow. 204 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:50,959 got to the end of that first chapter and 205 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:52,640 went, 206 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,800 "That doesn't work." 207 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,080 And then had to stop and think, well, 208 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,040 why doesn't it work? And I thought, 209 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,519 well, it doesn't work because you're 210 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:03,600 inside his head, yet he is emotionally 211 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,760 closed off 212 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,320 from the reader. And I knew that I 213 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,440 wanted to write something in which right 214 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,839 at the beginning, you know, he's in 215 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:16,480 prison and is emotionally closed off. 216 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,680 And then he's told that his wife is dead 217 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,760 and everything shuts down and he is 218 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,839 numb. He is dead inside. And now 219 00:10:27,839 --> 00:10:29,680 the book is going to be the slow process 220 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:32,000 of waking up, 221 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,519 discovering who he is. Um going all the 222 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,399 way down into death and then returning. 223 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:43,440 I wrote the vast majority of it in a 224 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,600 style that I like to think of as 225 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,399 American transparent. 226 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:49,920 Um, 227 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,519 it's what Elmore Leonard did so 228 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:53,920 beautifully. It's what Stephen King when 229 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:59,120 he flies sometimes does. It's the author 230 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,519 is invisible. 231 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:03,279 The words are there. The characters are 232 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,839 there. You do nothing as an author to 233 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:08,560 draw attention to yourself. There is a 234 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,760 narrative voice but a lot of the craft 235 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,360 of the narrative voice comes 236 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,399 in disappearing into the text. Stardust 237 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,560 has a narrative voice. The writer as a 238 00:11:22,560 --> 00:11:24,560 character and 239 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:27,680 the writer for me of Stardust is a 240 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,959 completely different kind of writer. The 241 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:33,680 narrative voice in in my head. The 242 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:37,440 narrator of Stardust is writing Stardust 243 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,800 be long before there's a fantasy genre. 244 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,399 You're not, you don't have any kind of 245 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:47,440 genre. You are just an adult novelist 246 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,079 who is writing a fairy tale for adults 247 00:11:50,079 --> 00:11:53,040 as people did in the teens, 20s, and 248 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,120 1930s. They they would do that kind of 249 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,440 thing. Um, 250 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,120 so I thought it has to be one of those. 251 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,720 I like the idea that the writer was 252 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,800 possibly even a woman. Um, and again, 253 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,959 you're finding a voice. So, the voice of 254 00:12:06,959 --> 00:12:09,600 Stardust is very formal. It's slightly 255 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,120 stilted. 256 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,200 Um, it's much lusher in some ways and 257 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,480 feels a little bit antique in a way that 258 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,800 the style of, say, Neverear, at least as 259 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,839 far as I'm concerned, is a completely 260 00:12:23,839 --> 00:12:25,519 different thing. 261 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:28,000 they are all 262 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,079 third person 263 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:32,000 narratives. 264 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,120 Um, but then you can get into stranger 265 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,639 territory when you do something like the 266 00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,120 ocean at the end of the lane which is a 267 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,079 novel which is a first person narrative 268 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:44,480 and at that point 269 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,680 the important thing becomes the voice of 270 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,519 the narrator. 271 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:50,800 So, for the ocean at the end of the 272 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,519 lane, I wanted to write something told 273 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:58,480 to us by a narrator probably in his 274 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,560 mid-40s 275 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:03,839 about what he remembers 276 00:13:03,839 --> 00:13:06,800 of being seven, of this story coming 277 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,160 back to us. It it needed to be told from 278 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,320 an adult perspective. 279 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Um, but the deeper he goes into memory, 280 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,040 the more it had to be absolutely from a 281 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,600 kid's height and from a kid's eye point 282 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,200 of view. So, at that point, you're 283 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,480 looking for a style that is 284 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,920 not a particularly writerly style. 285 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,519 Um, the important thing about it is that 286 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:41,600 it is the voice of somebody who is just 287 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,519 holding your hand, looking you in the 288 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:45,519 eye, and saying, "Let me tell you what 289 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:49,760 happened to me." Which is a fantastic 290 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,600 kind of narrative voice to use. It's one 291 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,800 I've used over the years. I used it in a 292 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,800 graphic novel called Violent Cases at 293 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,959 the beginning of my career. Used it in 294 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:01,519 Mr. Punch. I've used it in a bunch of 295 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:03,839 short stories. It's incredibly dangerous 296 00:14:03,839 --> 00:14:07,839 if done well in that it's 297 00:14:07,839 --> 00:14:09,360 convincing. 298 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,000 Um, you really are just saying to 299 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,279 somebody, "Look, I'm I'm not going to 300 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:15,279 lie to you. I'm going to tell you true 301 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,880 things. 302 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,920 I'm just hold my hand. 303 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,160 We're going to walk together, you and I, 304 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,880 into a dark place, but I'm here. It's 305 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,360 all safe. I'm holding your hand." And 306 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:28,880 then you walk them into a dark place and 307 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,240 you let go of their hand and they run 308 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,600 away. and uh 309 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,600 leaving the person just going, "Oh my 310 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,279 gosh, I thought I trusted things. I 311 00:14:37,279 --> 00:14:39,680 thought I knew what was going on and I 312 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:44,160 really don't." Um, so if somebody were 313 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,240 imitating me, probably that would be 314 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,639 that particular style is a would be a 315 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:55,600 fun one to go in and imitate.22828

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