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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:07,376 --> 00:00:08,496 (lively music) 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 4 00:00:08,679 --> 00:00:10,266 The Farnborough Air Show 5 00:00:10,359 --> 00:00:12,519 one of the largest in the world. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,574 Global weapons giants like BAE Systems, 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,160 Lockheed Martin and Airbus come to show off their latest 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,955 military hardware. 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:27,960 Billions of dollars of civil 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,960 and military deals are done here every year. 11 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:34,840 Standing shoulder to shoulder with these global 12 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,560 military giants are Israel's top weapons manufacturers 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,365 like Israel Aerospace Industries 14 00:00:41,463 --> 00:00:43,966 and missile makers Rafael. 15 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,759 In the main hall, Israel's largest 16 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:51,347 private weapons company, Elbit has a huge stand. 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,747 They need it to showcase their world class 18 00:00:54,771 --> 00:00:56,362 drones and missiles. 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,399 Despite its tiny population, Israel is the world's 20 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:02,624 ninth largest weapons producer. 21 00:01:02,701 --> 00:01:03,701 (missile sounds from TV) 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,439 This high budget promo is for the trophy 23 00:01:09,439 --> 00:01:13,548 anti-missile system made by Israeli company Rafael. 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,359 It's the kind of advanced technology Israel specializes in 25 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:19,707 and makes the Israeli Merkva tank 26 00:01:19,739 --> 00:01:21,087 one of the best on the market. 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,878 Automatically activated only when enemy fire 28 00:01:23,902 --> 00:01:25,040 is sure to hit the vehicle. 29 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:27,408 Both tank and anti-missile system sell 30 00:01:27,432 --> 00:01:29,760 around the world to undisclosed clients. 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Overall, Israel exports more than $13 billion 32 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,760 of weapons and surveillance equipment a year. 33 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,888 And with adverts like this for the 34 00:01:39,912 --> 00:01:42,560 Spike Firefly, Israeli company's hint 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,310 that their products may have been battle tested in Palestine. 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,957 So how does being a major arms supplier 37 00:01:48,969 --> 00:01:51,200 impact Israel's diplomatic position? 38 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:52,840 Could it give the country 39 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,599 a measure of impunity when it wants to undertake its own wars? 40 00:01:57,500 --> 00:01:58,983 (explosion) 41 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,799 (atmospheric music) 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,840 I've just got a stash of books from my publisher today. 43 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,240 My book and other books are mostly related 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,240 to Palestine and, 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,639 guerrilla journalism. 46 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,039 Just some light reading. 47 00:02:37,039 --> 00:02:38,479 I'm about to do an event, 48 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:41,899 a Q&A about my book, The Palestine Laboratory. 49 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,919 The book's been quite controversial. 50 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,646 It's a look at how the occupation 51 00:02:46,658 --> 00:02:48,039 of Palestine allows Israel 52 00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:51,039 to test weapons, which are then sold around the world. 53 00:02:52,199 --> 00:02:55,680 I wanted to do a book, really, not just about the whole concept 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,364 of the arms industry, which is an 55 00:02:57,376 --> 00:02:59,520 interesting subject, but can be a bit dry. 56 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,000 But what Israel is testing and selling 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,240 and promoting is not just weaponry, it's an idea. 58 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,520 It's a concept. 59 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,319 And it's a very appealing concept to many other countries. 60 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:14,453 Israel sells the idea of getting away with it. 61 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,120 To find out how tiny Israel 62 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,914 has managed to develop this huge 63 00:03:20,926 --> 00:03:22,960 military and surveillance machine. 64 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,000 I'm heading back to Israel and Palestine. 65 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,680 It's not really clear if I'm going to get in. 66 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,680 I haven't been there for a few years. 67 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,026 Wish me luck. 68 00:03:35,066 --> 00:03:36,105 (tense music) 69 00:03:36,599 --> 00:03:39,560 Although I'm Jewish, I'm not a citizen of Israel. 70 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,639 And their immigration rules say they can refuse entry to critics 71 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:45,639 of the country or those who have called for boycotts. 72 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,800 So they have multiple reasons for turning me away. 73 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,280 My arrival was surprisingly smooth, 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,280 so I'm heading straight to East Jerusalem. 75 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Israel has been occupying 76 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,719 the West Bank since 1967, and has developed a unique system 77 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:08,091 of controlling the Palestinian population, 78 00:04:08,103 --> 00:04:10,319 from checkpoints in the separation wall 79 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,560 to increasingly innovative methods of surveillance. 80 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,728 These walls are not just walls, they can listen, 81 00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:25,240 and they are listening to probably us right now 82 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,331 I suspect. 83 00:04:26,357 --> 00:04:29,120 It's in these population management technologies 84 00:04:29,214 --> 00:04:31,415 that Israel is a global leader. 85 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:33,310 So I want to see how they first 86 00:04:33,322 --> 00:04:35,040 use it to control Palestinians 87 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:38,079 before being sold around the world. 88 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,463 I'm on my way to meet Osama, a businessman in East Jerusalem, 89 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,920 to find out how all this impacts ordinary Palestinians. 90 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:52,399 You can see my office from this camera... 91 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,000 inside. 92 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,920 So the cameras are both looking into Damascus Gate, 93 00:04:57,959 --> 00:05:00,959 but also out. - In and out. 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,814 So I'm standing on a balcony, 95 00:05:04,826 --> 00:05:07,480 literally overlooking Damascus Gate. 96 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,079 It's Osama's office, his insurance office and all around 97 00:05:12,107 --> 00:05:15,153 behind me over there, there's multiple 98 00:05:15,177 --> 00:05:18,079 surveillance towers. Right behind me. 99 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:20,879 there's a camera watching me. 100 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:22,923 So I'm going to watch it. 101 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,040 Osama wants to show 102 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,040 me the very physical reality of the occupation. 103 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,160 The restrictions on the movement of Palestinians, 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,720 His daily commute from the West Bank to Jerusalem 105 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,920 is through the Columbia checkpoint. 106 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,439 Osama, how do you feel 107 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:05,439 when you cross Columbia checkpoint? 108 00:06:13,175 --> 00:06:15,295 You're crying. 109 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:18,079 I think 24 hours about my, my daughter. 110 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:19,720 My son. 111 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,240 If he need me. 112 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,519 I am here, in this traffic. 113 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:28,103 I need 3 or 4 hours to go to help my son. 114 00:06:29,069 --> 00:06:29,839 - I do. 115 00:06:29,879 --> 00:06:32,879 I can understand why this would make you nervous. 116 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,839 You can see soldier here. Any mistake, 117 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,279 you lost your life. 118 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:39,747 And that's happened many times. 119 00:06:39,771 --> 00:06:40,800 Yes. 120 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,418 The soldiers have the power to 121 00:06:42,430 --> 00:06:44,439 detain people like Osama for hours. 122 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,264 Question them and place them in 123 00:06:46,276 --> 00:06:48,600 administrative detention without charge. 124 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:49,636 or trial. 125 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:05,199 It's almost like you have to ask permission 126 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,209 to go into Jerusalem to get back to your own city. 127 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:12,519 But this physical infrastructure is just the beginning. 128 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,708 Israel has a vision of a seamless 129 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,879 future where technology minimizes 130 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:18,276 the interactions between 131 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,762 Palestinians and the Israeli army. 132 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,480 Israel says it's safer, but it's quite dystopic. 133 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,519 Mona, hi! - Hi. 134 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,858 I'm meeting Palestinian digital rights 135 00:07:30,870 --> 00:07:33,538 campaigner Mona Shtaya to find out more. 136 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,839 Explain the growing trend within 137 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,720 Israeli thinking of a so-called frictionless occupation. 138 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,692 Well, the whole automation aims to 139 00:07:43,704 --> 00:07:46,519 eliminate the direct interaction 140 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,237 between the Israeli as occupying force 141 00:07:49,250 --> 00:07:51,839 and Palestinians as occupied people. 142 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,752 And to make the main interaction 143 00:07:53,764 --> 00:07:56,079 between Palestinians and the technology. 144 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,600 So it could create this idea 145 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,254 that our problem is not with the 146 00:08:03,279 --> 00:08:06,480 occupier, but rather with the technology. 147 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,040 Hebron is the testing ground 148 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,360 for many of the supposedly frictionless technologies. 149 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:16,000 The city is split into two zones, each one 150 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,079 with a population of nearly 200,000. 151 00:08:19,079 --> 00:08:21,730 In H2, 35,000 Palestinians live 152 00:08:21,742 --> 00:08:24,920 under the gaze of the 750 settlers, 153 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:28,992 and 800 soldiers who have taken over the center of the city. 154 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,759 Palestinians living in H2 face the heaviest surveillance 155 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:36,759 in the West Bank, and the strictest travel restrictions. 156 00:08:37,208 --> 00:08:38,889 (pulsing tense score) 157 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,960 Under the so-called frictionless occupation 158 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,960 these cameras are linked to artificial intelligence systems, 159 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,778 watching for what Israel deems threatening behavior. 160 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,399 There's someone who watches you, who knows what you are doing, 161 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,919 but you don't necessarily know who's watching you. 162 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,855 Palestinians needs to think about 163 00:10:38,868 --> 00:10:41,080 behaving at our best all the time. 164 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,410 Sometimes you might be angry from 165 00:10:43,423 --> 00:10:46,200 something that happens with your family, 166 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,570 in your home, or at your work, and 167 00:10:48,581 --> 00:10:50,759 then you might look like angry. 168 00:10:50,759 --> 00:10:52,799 And with a predictive policing, you never know 169 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:54,857 when you would be identified as a 170 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:56,879 security threat by the Israelis. 171 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,159 So you need to fake your emotions. 172 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:10,879 If the frictionless occupation can't get a fixed 173 00:11:10,879 --> 00:11:13,559 camera on you, it can send a flying one. 174 00:11:13,934 --> 00:11:17,200 This was recorded just a few miles south of Hebron. 175 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:33,679 (drone buzzing) 176 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:38,279 Issa Amro is a human rights activist living in H2. 177 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:42,240 This is a military post full of cameras and surveillance. 178 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,240 And they watch us for sure now. 179 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,799 So let's say hi. 180 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:49,799 I usually say hi to them. 181 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:53,559 We are in the main street in Tel Rumeida 182 00:11:53,566 --> 00:11:55,578 Palestinians are not allowed to drive here. 183 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,320 Palestinian shops are closed by military orders 184 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,759 and the streets here is full of Israeli military surveillance. 185 00:12:02,159 --> 00:12:03,183 Let's see. 186 00:12:04,653 --> 00:12:07,653 The Palestinian kids in the window, 187 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,000 they are caged in the house. 188 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:10,755 Look, they put fences in their 189 00:12:10,768 --> 00:12:12,840 windows to be protected from the settler 190 00:12:13,134 --> 00:12:14,894 and army violence. Look! 191 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,897 Surveillance for the military is up there. 192 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:22,799 And this is the surveillance of the Israeli settlers. 193 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:24,836 So imagine that, the Israeli settlers 194 00:12:24,847 --> 00:12:27,134 they have their own systems here. 195 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,408 These checkpoints are where the latest 196 00:12:29,419 --> 00:12:31,360 frictionless technology is tested, 197 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:35,039 including this AI enabled remotely controlled gun, 198 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,320 which fires stun grenades, tear gas and sponge chip bullets. 199 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:42,919 It's made by Israeli company Smart Shooter. 200 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,240 These checkpoints also boast 201 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,240 Israel's most comprehensive data gathering tool, 202 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:50,864 Wolf Pack. 203 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:56,200 From 10 to 15 cameras are on the checkpoint. 204 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:59,720 This is where they use Red Wolf and Blue Wolf. 205 00:13:01,039 --> 00:13:02,879 The Israeli military recently 206 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:05,799 invented two systems Red wolf and Blue Wolf. 207 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:07,320 Blue wolf in the soldiers phones. 208 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,559 They take your photo, then they know all details about you. 209 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:11,860 Where you've been, where you go, 210 00:13:11,885 --> 00:13:12,991 what you like, what 211 00:13:13,004 --> 00:13:14,879 you don't like, your private things. 212 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,559 Then there is another system. 213 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,168 The Red Wolf is set up in the 214 00:13:18,181 --> 00:13:20,360 checkpoints and in the control rooms, 215 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,019 and it's profiling Palestinians 216 00:13:22,032 --> 00:13:23,960 according to their political stance. 217 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,568 When the soldiers scan a 218 00:13:25,581 --> 00:13:27,759 Palestinian's face, they get a traffic 219 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,759 light style indication of their supposed risk. 220 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,894 White, for Palestinians who are not doing 221 00:13:33,918 --> 00:13:35,759 anything about the occupation. 222 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,200 You have yellow and you have orange. 223 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,600 For example, I'm a human rights defender, I am red. 224 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,399 It means check him, make his life harder. 225 00:13:43,399 --> 00:13:45,039 He's a suspect. 226 00:13:45,039 --> 00:13:48,399 So the frictionless technology actually enables a lot more 227 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:49,799 friction for some people. 228 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,720 They use us as simulation objects for their technology. 229 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:58,032 Israeli security solution companies, they install 230 00:13:58,086 --> 00:14:01,167 cameras, sensors, drones and they 231 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,200 tested it on us without our consent. 232 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:05,799 Do they sell it? 233 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:08,799 Do they use it for other research? 234 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:10,745 What kind of data do they collect? 235 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,200 It seems to be the often secret partnerships 236 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,360 between the military and private sector that have helped Israeli 237 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,360 companies become world leaders in their fields. 238 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 In 2019, a report revealed that Israeli company 239 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:27,360 Anyvision had installed turnstiles in the West Bank 240 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,440 and was collecting movement and biometric data 241 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,052 from the tens of thousands of Palestinians forced to use them. 242 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,187 Early investor Microsoft pulled their 243 00:14:36,198 --> 00:14:38,392 funding after this was revealed. 244 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,000 The company changed its name to Oosto and says it works in 43 245 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,100 countries, with clients including 246 00:14:45,113 --> 00:14:47,505 casinos, airports and schools. 247 00:14:47,767 --> 00:14:48,807 (tense music) 248 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,080 Another Israeli company, Viisights, 249 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,563 make behavioral recognition systems 250 00:14:54,576 --> 00:14:57,279 that watch CCTV feeds for any threats. 251 00:14:57,279 --> 00:15:01,200 The company actually created the ability to take a real time 252 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,782 video stream and understand 253 00:15:02,793 --> 00:15:04,919 what's going on within the stream. 254 00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:08,519 The company is supported by the Israeli military. 255 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:12,759 It's marketed for use in cities, prisons and refugee camps 256 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:14,062 around the world. 257 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,039 We're in Abu Dis in East Jerusalem and I'm standing 258 00:15:20,039 --> 00:15:25,159 next to a old but now derelict hotel owned by Palestinians. 259 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,399 And during the second intifada, 260 00:15:27,450 --> 00:15:30,615 in the early 2000s, the separation wall 261 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:33,720 was built, and it's kind of surrounded now on all sides. 262 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,399 No one can access it. 263 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:38,159 The owners can't use it. The guests are not coming. 264 00:15:38,159 --> 00:15:40,440 But what Israel has done is on the top, 265 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,960 they've installed surveillance cameras. 266 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,255 The location is patrolled by police 267 00:15:45,268 --> 00:15:48,241 and private security 24 hours a day. 268 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:49,559 Just a minute ago we 269 00:15:49,559 --> 00:15:52,559 saw them move, probably to watch us. 270 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:54,940 Minutes later, four young Israeli police 271 00:15:54,951 --> 00:15:57,668 officers with machine guns approached us. 272 00:15:58,076 --> 00:15:59,639 So what are you doing here? 273 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:01,255 Weโ€™re just filming a documentary about 274 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:02,495 the situation here. 275 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:03,679 (van horn) 276 00:16:04,270 --> 00:16:06,855 This formerly Palestinian run hotel, 277 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:07,919 taken over by the military 278 00:16:07,945 --> 00:16:10,311 and turned into a surveillance post, 279 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,320 could be seen as a microcosm of the occupation. 280 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:17,360 But what is visible is just part of the overall picture 281 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,720 of how the occupation surveils Palestinians. 282 00:16:21,604 --> 00:16:22,971 First, there is the physical 283 00:16:22,984 --> 00:16:25,240 infrastructure of walls and checkpoints. 284 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,519 The checkpoints record movement data and biometric information. 285 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:33,799 Then they have CCTV cameras, which are monitored by AI 286 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,368 for perceived threats of violence, and 287 00:16:36,379 --> 00:16:38,799 that in turn is hooked up to databases 288 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:42,440 like Red Wolf, which track everyone's political profile. 289 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:44,961 But there's also a more fundamental 290 00:16:44,974 --> 00:16:46,919 level of surveillance, which is that 291 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:50,720 most of the phone and internet system is routed through Israel. 292 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:53,440 Israel is 293 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,933 controlling the ICT infrastructure in 294 00:16:55,946 --> 00:16:58,320 the occupied Palestinian territory, 295 00:16:58,399 --> 00:17:01,639 which means that Palestinians are not able 296 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:05,039 to have safe access to the internet. 297 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,440 With control of basic communications infrastructure 298 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:12,640 the Israelis know every phone number and can tap any call. 299 00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:15,413 Israeli intelligence also have teams 300 00:17:15,425 --> 00:17:17,920 monitoring all the social media platforms. 301 00:17:18,404 --> 00:17:20,199 Many Palestinians, basically they don't 302 00:17:20,211 --> 00:17:21,960 share their political opinion online 303 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,304 because they would be afraid of being 304 00:17:24,316 --> 00:17:26,920 interrogated or arrested by the Israelis. 305 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,920 I find it remarkable that sometimes blanket 306 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,680 CCTV coverage, analyzed by artificial intelligence 307 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,931 and backed up by biometric movement 308 00:17:35,942 --> 00:17:38,519 tracking just isn't enough surveillance. 309 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,596 I'm off to meet a man who once presented 310 00:17:41,607 --> 00:17:43,319 such a threat to the authorities 311 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,799 that they deployed the world's most invasive spyware on him. 312 00:17:47,407 --> 00:17:50,127 Anthony, hi, and lovely to meet you. 313 00:17:50,166 --> 00:17:52,926 Ubai Al Aboudi didnโ€™t look threatening to me. 314 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,766 He runs the Bisan Center, which 315 00:17:54,778 --> 00:17:56,960 campaigns for the rights of Palestinians. 316 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,640 Do you have any idea why you were targeted? 317 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,970 I think it has to do with the targeting 318 00:18:04,981 --> 00:18:07,400 of any kind of Palestinian civil society. 319 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,680 Israel sees us as, part of, 320 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,119 establishing that there is a Palestinian people. 321 00:18:15,279 --> 00:18:16,359 How did you hear that 322 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,480 your phone had been infected by Pegasus 323 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,240 and why do you think that happened? 324 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,123 You're working with Palestinian human 325 00:18:22,134 --> 00:18:23,880 rights organization Al Haq, right? 326 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,440 I was contacted by Al Haq in late 2021. 327 00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:30,637 They found that, one of their 328 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:32,960 employees had Pegasus on his phone. 329 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:34,900 I had my device checked, and he 330 00:18:34,912 --> 00:18:36,759 told me that my phone was infected 331 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:38,440 by Pegasus spyware. 332 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,440 A couple of days later, the Israeli, 333 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,119 Minister of Defense, 334 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,359 Benny Gantz, designated six Palestinian civil society 335 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,373 organizations as terrorist organizations, 336 00:18:49,384 --> 00:18:51,119 - Including Bisan? - Including Bisan. 337 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:53,968 Pegasus is unique spyware that can 338 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:56,119 access every aspect of your phone. 339 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:59,319 It can take control of your camera, your microphone, 340 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:02,519 and broadcast it to those controlling the software. 341 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 They can see your location, access your data 342 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,760 and see what's on your screen, 343 00:19:07,772 --> 00:19:09,960 including encrypted messaging apps. 344 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:12,839 Is there anything you feel like you can do, 345 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:14,474 or do you ultimately feel like there's 346 00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:15,880 not much you can practically do? 347 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,000 It was explained to me by a citizen lab 348 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,559 that once a state actor goes after any citizen 349 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:24,292 or small organization, there's 350 00:19:24,305 --> 00:19:26,400 basically very little they can do. 351 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,351 Pegasus is produced by Israeli 352 00:19:28,363 --> 00:19:31,119 surveillance company NSO, and is marketed 353 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,865 to government agencies as a tool 354 00:19:32,877 --> 00:19:34,799 for fighting crime and terrorism. 355 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,670 In 2021, an investigation revealed 356 00:19:37,682 --> 00:19:40,440 that around 50,000 people worldwide 357 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:42,188 potentially had it on their 358 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,119 phones, and a large number of them 359 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,324 were journalists, lawyers, dissidents 360 00:19:46,336 --> 00:19:47,880 and human rights defenders. 361 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,319 One, two, three, four we don't want your cyber war. 362 00:19:52,599 --> 00:19:55,839 It's no accident that this spyware was developed in Israel. 363 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,079 Much of NSO staff is drawn from the Army's 364 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,160 Cyber Intelligence Unit 8200. 365 00:20:02,525 --> 00:20:03,805 (brooding music) 366 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,400 This unit is tasked with 367 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,400 gathering intelligence from electronic communications 368 00:20:09,599 --> 00:20:12,599 and conducting cyber warfare against Palestinians. 369 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:16,319 It's known for being highly innovative and spinning out 370 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:19,759 successful cyber security companies like NSO. 371 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:25,440 To find out how 8200 has helped Israel become a global leader 372 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,079 in surveillance technology, 373 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:30,720 I'm meeting Yaakov Peri, a former director of the Shin Bet 374 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,000 intelligence agency. 375 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,440 This one here was you, dressed as an Arab in Gaza. 376 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,799 When do you think that was? 377 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:40,680 - 88. - 1988. 378 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,857 Can you say what you were doing? 379 00:20:41,882 --> 00:20:43,240 No. 380 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,440 Okay. 381 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,279 That's 68. Yeah. 382 00:20:47,279 --> 00:20:48,799 - Okay. - Nablus. 383 00:20:48,974 --> 00:20:51,815 Okay. So the first year after, six day occupation. 384 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:53,759 Yeah? - Yeah. 385 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:57,357 Here we have all kinds of ways to smuggle. 386 00:20:57,382 --> 00:20:58,615 What are these, hangers? 387 00:20:58,667 --> 00:20:59,667 - Hangers. 388 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:01,174 - With explosives? - Yeah. 389 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,295 How has Israel sold itself, really for decades now, 390 00:21:04,319 --> 00:21:05,559 as a global leader in 391 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,000 defense and homeland security equipment? 392 00:21:08,039 --> 00:21:12,146 You cannot defend yourself only by a human... 393 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:16,920 sources. You have to use also a technology 394 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,442 in order to be on the, beating side, 395 00:21:21,983 --> 00:21:24,365 Israel had to be very, very, very 396 00:21:24,391 --> 00:21:27,877 creative to find solutions that, 397 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,799 you cannot buy in the, 398 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:35,079 market or the, 399 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:36,279 around the world. 400 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:39,359 One of the innovators is unit 8200. 401 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,039 It's been around for many years. 402 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:42,757 Talk a little bit about, based on 403 00:21:42,769 --> 00:21:44,599 your experience, what that unit is. 404 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,880 We have developed a unique technology 405 00:21:48,414 --> 00:21:51,214 how to, where to tape 406 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,880 whom will be taped 407 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,359 and the ability to reach, to top secret, 408 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,799 say... that usually are hidden. 409 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,279 We say that if a ruler 410 00:22:06,599 --> 00:22:09,599 wants to do something, 411 00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:13,920 it's easy in his mind, but he cannot do it alone. 412 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:19,000 He has to share it with at least one, 413 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,440 two, three or four people who are close to him. 414 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,559 And we have developed technologies 415 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:28,440 that can reach the right people 416 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,119 that we will tape and know. 417 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,119 So 8200 became a 418 00:22:34,173 --> 00:22:37,493 one of the secrets of the Israeli intelligence. 419 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:39,096 I'm not asking you to reveal top 420 00:22:39,108 --> 00:22:41,160 secret intelligence, but give a sense, 421 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:42,904 what are the kind of methods that Israel 422 00:22:42,916 --> 00:22:44,759 was using to try to get that intelligence? 423 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,929 If you want to follow a certain terrorist or a set, the cell, 424 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:51,559 you have to be equipped 425 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:56,319 with a surveillance technology that gives you the advantage to 426 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,719 watch him without him sensing you. 427 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,279 You have to develop ammunition, 428 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:12,039 which you can use in a remote control for a long distance. 429 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:16,200 So sometimes your headquarters is in Tel Aviv, 430 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,640 and the terrorist cell is in Gaza Strip. 431 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,839 And you want to, 432 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:25,680 kill somebody. 433 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,319 You have to be very, very accurate. 434 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,880 You have to be with a... 435 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,039 The best technology 436 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:39,039 that you will not be accused, 437 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,720 by killing innocent people. 438 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,160 We are getting hit! 439 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,039 Send the Lanius! 440 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:49,538 Israel is a leader in remote 441 00:23:49,549 --> 00:23:51,599 controlled bombing with small drones 442 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:53,451 like the controversial Lanius. 443 00:23:53,462 --> 00:23:55,436 Elbit Systems presents, Lanius... 444 00:23:55,461 --> 00:23:58,125 search and attack in one new, innovative, 445 00:23:58,136 --> 00:24:00,039 autonomous, lethal solution. 446 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,240 They're part of the class of small, highly maneuverable 447 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,000 quadcopters getting extensive use for the first time in Gaza. 448 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,680 The high budget promo suggests it may have been battle 449 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,680 tested in Palestine, and the drone is exactly 450 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,268 what Peri is describing. 451 00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:19,392 And lethality in a complex urban environment. 452 00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:21,599 A remote controlled 453 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:24,599 explosive that can be put next to the target. 454 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,096 Israel is now about the ninth or 10th 455 00:24:28,107 --> 00:24:30,279 biggest arms seller in the world. 456 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,798 It depends every year. How does Israel 457 00:24:32,809 --> 00:24:35,200 become, for a relatively small country, 458 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,920 one of the biggest arms sellers in the world? 459 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,215 Yeah, it's true that Israel is 460 00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:43,075 one of the biggest arms sellers. 461 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,720 We have been also selling a, 462 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:50,359 all the technology 463 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,680 that can help you to deal with terrorists. 464 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,599 But I mean, the whole world is dealing with terrorist activity. 465 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,577 So the market is big. 466 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,880 I would say that 80% of the technology 467 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,319 that we have developed in Israel 468 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:11,319 is not top secret. 469 00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:14,759 It's something that you can share with other, 470 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,079 organisations, mainly, 471 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,640 security agencies and armies. 472 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,680 For instance, the most common technology 473 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,737 that we have developed here is the Iron Dome. 474 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:32,839 And now we can 475 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,839 sell Iron Dome to the whole world. 476 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,400 With a wave of its innovative wand, 477 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,116 Rafael has developed a first-of-its-kind 478 00:25:42,142 --> 00:25:45,417 counter rocket artillery mortar CRAM system, 479 00:25:45,442 --> 00:25:46,640 with pinpoint accuracy 480 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,365 interceptors against asymmetric threats: Iron Dome. 481 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,440 (missile) 482 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,680 The Iron Dome is often used to refer 483 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,039 to all of Israel's anti-missile interception systems. 484 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,440 Together, they make Israel a world leader 485 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,119 in anti-missile protection 486 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:06,359 and are a showcase for Israel's weapons companies, 487 00:26:06,586 --> 00:26:08,325 who are keen to promote how 488 00:26:08,349 --> 00:26:10,405 cutting edge and innovative they are. 489 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,776 Arrow three. 490 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,990 The Arrow system counters high altitude ballistic missiles 491 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,200 and is made by Israel Aerospace Industries. 492 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,654 IAI also makes the Kfir jet, 493 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,119 heron drones and its own Jericho ballistic missiles. 494 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,423 They claim to offer comprehensive 495 00:26:32,435 --> 00:26:34,079 solutions in all domains. 496 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,839 Since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, 497 00:26:36,839 --> 00:26:39,839 IAI are marketing the interception systems 498 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,932 to European countries. 499 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,039 To find out more about Israel's military industrial complex, 500 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:50,615 I'm going to meet security and 501 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,826 intelligence expert Yossi Melman. 502 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,960 Israel from the outset decided 503 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,880 we have to build our own, 504 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,160 strong military industrial complex. 505 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,839 That realization has always been in the mind of Israel. 506 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:09,480 We have to be, on top of our enemies. 507 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,934 From the scientific, technological point of view. 508 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,480 Israel's been developing a range 509 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,810 of new technologies and weapons, 510 00:27:17,823 --> 00:27:20,279 certain kind of robotics, certain kinds of drones. 511 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:21,519 Quadcopters. 512 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:24,160 Explain a bit about what you understand is being used. 513 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,132 There has been a major shift in the 514 00:27:27,144 --> 00:27:29,880 focus of the Israeli industries. 515 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:34,960 If 30, 40 years ago, Israeli industries were still selling 516 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,160 rifles, pistols, ammunition. 517 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,400 Nowadays they have moved to more 518 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,519 advanced technological equipment. 519 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:49,559 The logic is very positive to try to minimize Israel's 520 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:54,000 own casualties, it's safer to first move into the tunnels 521 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,960 with the robot rather than sending your foot soldiers. 522 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,160 A formation of autonomous aerial and ground systems can provide 523 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,796 unprecedented ISR capabilities to 524 00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:07,613 units on the tactical edge... 525 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,171 Legion X is the integrated combat system 526 00:28:10,182 --> 00:28:12,319 for controlling autonomous robotic 527 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:14,988 vehicles and drones, all made by Elbit, 528 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,880 Israel's largest private weapons producer. 529 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,319 Search and destroy Legion X is maximized. 530 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,599 Now worth nearly $10 billion, Elbit promotes 531 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:28,079 itself as leading the world in automation and robotics. 532 00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,012 (low volume tense music) 533 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,640 And this technical mastery is key 534 00:28:32,652 --> 00:28:34,680 to how Israel has governed Gaza. 535 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:38,319 Israel directly occupied Gaza from 1967 536 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:42,480 to 2005, when the Israeli army and settlers withdrew. 537 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,842 But Israel retained de facto control 538 00:28:44,854 --> 00:28:47,160 over the fundamentals of the territory. 539 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,906 Power, water, who could enter and leave, 540 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,559 how far fishermen could go from the shore, 541 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,240 and even how many calories people have to eat every day. 542 00:28:56,994 --> 00:28:58,035 (tense music) 543 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,809 The depth of this control was 544 00:29:04,821 --> 00:29:06,839 constantly updated with technology. 545 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,599 In 2021, Defense Minister Benny Gantz launched a smart fence 546 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,679 stuffed with the latest tech, 547 00:29:13,734 --> 00:29:16,003 including tunnel detection equipment. 548 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,200 In 2021, Israel 549 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,680 unveiled a huge amount of new technology around Gaza. 550 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,920 They spent billions of dollars. 551 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,720 They claim that it was going to keep Israel 552 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,923 safe, was going to keep 553 00:29:34,935 --> 00:29:36,839 Palestinians, essentially in Gaza. 554 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,160 What exactly was being put in place around that time? 555 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,392 Well... 556 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:45,249 all sorts of equipment. 557 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,519 Israel surrounded Gaza with all these technologies: 558 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,480 facial recognition, hacking telephones, 559 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,654 visual intelligence from drones, 560 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,160 reconnaissance flights, reconnaissance balloons. 561 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,519 Israel had the phone numbers 562 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,255 of many Hamas members, and not only 563 00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,079 Hamas members, also innocent people. 564 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:13,146 That information came from bugging and 565 00:30:13,159 --> 00:30:16,079 listening and observatory equipment. 566 00:30:16,079 --> 00:30:20,882 So, so Gaza was surrounded by their equipment and Israel, 567 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,960 believed that they can control the population 568 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,269 and they control, above all, Hamas. 569 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,638 The domestic security service, 570 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,602 Shin Bet and the military 571 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,346 intelligence... they almost adored... 572 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880 worshipped technology. 573 00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:41,319 But on October the 7th, 2023, 574 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,153 as part of a highly coordinated offensive, 575 00:30:44,164 --> 00:30:46,599 Hamas drones attacked the watchtowers, 576 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,920 disabling the CCTV and automated guns. 577 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,039 With few soldiers on the border, 578 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,297 the army claims they were effectively 579 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:56,788 blind to what unfolded. 580 00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:02,359 Hamas fighters quickly overran multiple bases, 581 00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:05,220 which were sparsely manned and not prepared. 582 00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:06,997 (gunfire) 583 00:31:07,551 --> 00:31:08,551 (explosion) 584 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,200 It is said that thousands of Hamas fighters 585 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,465 and other Palestinians broke out of Gaza by land, sea and air. 586 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,359 It was the most deadly single day in Israel's history. 587 00:31:19,416 --> 00:31:20,416 (gunfire) 588 00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,880 Israel claims that 1200 people were killed, 589 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,680 nearly 800 of them civilians and most of them Israeli, 590 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,839 and that another 250 were taken back to Gaza as hostages. 591 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,759 According to Hamas and international organizations, 592 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,886 these numbers have been inflated. 593 00:31:42,599 --> 00:31:45,000 Hamas' attack begs the question 594 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,720 of how this multi-billion dollar smart fence, 595 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,480 armed with radar, CCTV and surveillance drones 596 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,480 could miss an assault that took years to plan 597 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,865 and rehearse. 598 00:32:00,834 --> 00:32:02,694 So I'm on my way to see Israel Ziv, 599 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,039 who's a former Israeli general, 600 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,306 and he used to actually head the 601 00:32:07,317 --> 00:32:09,880 Gaza command for the Israeli army. 602 00:32:09,904 --> 00:32:13,307 And on October 7th, he grabbed a gun 603 00:32:13,332 --> 00:32:15,025 from his home near Tel Aviv 604 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:20,079 and went down to near the Gaza border to try to, 605 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,839 as he says, kill Hamas terrorists and rescue hostages. 606 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,200 So let's go see him. 607 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,640 Explain what happened to you on October 7th. 608 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,640 I've learned that I'm still good, even with the pistol. 609 00:32:32,968 --> 00:32:38,699 I had a chance to rescue quite a few people, you know. 610 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,047 Some of them were hiding 611 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:42,288 in the area that Hamas control. 612 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:43,440 What do you think, 613 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,039 as far as we know, went horribly wrong? 614 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:48,880 Everything. 615 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,920 It's a system collapse. 616 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,920 I think Israel took one step 617 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,640 too far, relying too much on technology, which, in an area 618 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,000 like Gaza, was very convenient to put all those visual toys, 619 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,027 you know. And it gave the feeling that we are protected. 620 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:11,279 But maybe it wasn't the technology that failed. 621 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,000 We know that IDF soldiers monitoring Gaza reported 622 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,705 increased Hamas activity in the 623 00:33:16,718 --> 00:33:18,880 months leading up to October the 7th. 624 00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:23,003 We saw the maneuvers, we saw the preparations. 625 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,519 We have listened to the plans. 626 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,559 We have photoed the terrorists coming. 627 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,559 I know, but for sure that 628 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,480 in the Israeli secret service 629 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,799 and the Israeli intelligence Army Intelligence Service, 630 00:33:40,222 --> 00:33:44,373 the information was there. - Before October 7th? 631 00:33:44,445 --> 00:33:45,695 - Before October. - Yes. 632 00:33:45,759 --> 00:33:49,799 But nobody thought that it's really going to happen. 633 00:33:52,934 --> 00:33:55,694 Everybody thought that, you know, Hamas would not dare. 634 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,039 Maybe they do a terror act, but not such an operation. 635 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,799 The biggest failure starts from the higher level of command, 636 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,599 which actually refuses to... to believe 637 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,871 or to see it coming. 638 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,735 Despite the supposed failure of 639 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,822 the technology to stop the October the 7th attack, 640 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,519 2024 is predicted to be the best year 641 00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:20,130 yet for Israel's arms industry. 642 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,280 (tense music) 643 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,208 And while the Israeli army may have 644 00:34:23,221 --> 00:34:25,280 been slow to react, on October the 7th 645 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,271 they quickly announced their 646 00:34:27,282 --> 00:34:29,916 intention to unleash hell on Gaza. 647 00:34:46,871 --> 00:34:48,246 (explosions) 648 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,614 What Israel calls the Swords of Iron war, 649 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:53,614 has resulted in unprecedented 650 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,708 levels of death and destruction. 651 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,079 I've come to one of the few 652 00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:02,239 places in Israel where you can see that with your own eyes. 653 00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,079 I'm in the Israeli town of Sterod 654 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,289 and behind me is Gaza. 655 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:13,039 We're pretty much as close as we can get. 656 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,257 All these religious Jewish people 657 00:35:16,268 --> 00:35:18,000 who are behind me gathered 658 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,360 as the sun is going down. Many of them actually want to settle 659 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,360 Gaza, occupy Gaza, build settlements in Gaza, 660 00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,679 and they're treating it almost like a family get together. 661 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,237 There are kids, they're having fun 662 00:35:29,262 --> 00:35:30,679 they're smiling and taking photos. 663 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,119 It's pretty surreal. 664 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,679 Seeing Gaza here and knowing 665 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,039 what's happened since October 7th, 666 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,480 the mass destruction, the mass killing, 667 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,639 it's... yeah, pretty overwhelming. 668 00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:48,380 (atmospheric music) 669 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,679 The war has killed more than 40,000 Palestinians 670 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,920 and seen more than 80% of Gaza's buildings rendered unusable. 671 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000 It might look like random destruction. 672 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:06,199 But Israel would claim 673 00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:08,360 these are all valid targets, 674 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,411 and they're all generated by the 675 00:36:10,422 --> 00:36:12,679 latest innovation from unit 8200, 676 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,159 a new system powered by artificial intelligence. 677 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,000 (tense music) 678 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:24,000 I've come to Tel Aviv to meet the investigative team 679 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,400 who first revealed how AI is being used in Gaza. 680 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,880 Some in the military felt that the systems that existed 681 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,000 were not giving them, in previous wars, 682 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,152 enough targets. 683 00:36:34,177 --> 00:36:36,840 Talk a little bit about what that meant practically. 684 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,360 In previous wars, what is called in Israel, 685 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:47,400 the target bank, was very swiftly, was empty. 686 00:36:47,661 --> 00:36:50,661 Previously they would produce 687 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,639 200, 300 targets a year, 688 00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:56,639 and now they can produce it in an hour. 689 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,001 The AI targeting systems are only 690 00:36:59,012 --> 00:37:01,300 possible because, as we've seen, 691 00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:05,159 Israel collects data on every aspect of Palestinian life. 692 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,000 The system, called the gospel, also takes in historical 693 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,840 and geographic data to generate infrastructure locations 694 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,840 that the AI thinks are probably linked to Hamas. 695 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,840 These include tactical targets like military bases and tunnels. 696 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,840 But there's another category 697 00:37:21,853 --> 00:37:23,719 called power targets that include 698 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,199 residential towers and civic buildings 699 00:37:26,211 --> 00:37:28,320 like schools and medical centers 700 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,710 and Al Shifa hospital. 701 00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,920 They are being hit, you know, there to create 702 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,208 a psychological effect on the Gazans, 703 00:37:39,221 --> 00:37:41,280 pushing them to go against Hamas. 704 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,643 Of course, this didn't happen. 705 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,599 The Israeli army says Al Shifa, housed the 706 00:37:46,617 --> 00:37:48,599 Hamas command and control center. 707 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,800 The bombing of it resulted in over 1000 708 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,800 people being killed, injured or disappeared. 709 00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:57,880 25,000 people in the surrounding area 710 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,826 were also displaced. 711 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:11,679 Israel never provided evidence 712 00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,679 that it had found the command and control center. 713 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,199 To identify individual Hamas members, 714 00:38:18,248 --> 00:38:21,248 Unit 8200 created Lavender. 715 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,039 This analyzes the key behavior 716 00:38:23,052 --> 00:38:25,119 traits of active Hamas operatives, 717 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,280 where they go, who they talk to, who is in their phone contacts, 718 00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,626 and then looks for anyone in Gaza 719 00:38:31,637 --> 00:38:33,717 with similar characteristics. 720 00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:37,014 What are they talking about? 721 00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,472 What kind of words they're using? 722 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,119 All these kinds of things, you create a list 723 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,639 of possible members of Hamas from the very low level, 724 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:50,880 or even people that are not 725 00:38:50,891 --> 00:38:53,239 really part of the military wing. 726 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,400 This is basically a death list. 727 00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:00,400 Once you are there, 728 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,442 you are a legitimate target. 729 00:39:02,708 --> 00:39:03,708 (explosion) 730 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,760 The Al Rimel neighborhood, known 731 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,559 as the backbone of Gaza, was hit in December 2023. 732 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,840 The Israeli army said it was 733 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,599 because there were Hamas operatives 734 00:39:14,612 --> 00:39:16,039 concealing themselves there. 735 00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:19,599 The entire area was devastated. 736 00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:23,519 What the AI generates is not facts, 737 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:26,960 but targets with a statistically probable link to Hamas. 738 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,373 Despite this, the systems have led to another change, 739 00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:35,092 a rise in the acceptable level of civilian deaths. 740 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,637 (atmospheric music) 741 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,639 Prior to this war, a very senior, 742 00:39:41,655 --> 00:39:44,215 Hamas commander, 743 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,119 there was collateral damage of, let's say, five 744 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,398 maximum ten persons. 745 00:39:50,492 --> 00:39:51,492 In this war 746 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,280 it was decided that for very junior 747 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,280 Hamas militants, the collateral damage decided 748 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,293 was between 15 and 20. 749 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,800 His family, and his neighbors 750 00:40:06,824 --> 00:40:09,849 could be killed in order to kill him. 751 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:16,259 And if it's a senior Hamas militant, 752 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,039 then the numbers over 100, sometimes 300, 753 00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,079 and we know it happened. 754 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,815 I wanted to know what someone close 755 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,440 to the Israeli military thought about this use of AI. 756 00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,599 It's really kind of a big step, you know, for war 757 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:43,159 in terms of intelligence and also decision making, 758 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,360 because it's doing the right selection 759 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,239 and put in front of the decision maker much better and clearer 760 00:40:51,278 --> 00:40:53,228 picture in order to take a decision. 761 00:40:53,253 --> 00:40:54,280 We did of course 762 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,400 ask former General Zeev about claims Israel and its 763 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,099 AI systems were perpetrating a genocide in Gaza. 764 00:41:01,373 --> 00:41:02,494 His response? 765 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,414 The standard line that the Israeli 766 00:41:04,445 --> 00:41:06,460 army is the most moral in the world. 767 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:12,599 So I became a big factor in this whole component 768 00:41:12,599 --> 00:41:16,559 of Intel decision making, command and control, 769 00:41:18,135 --> 00:41:19,695 of the modern fight. 770 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,360 Storing surveillance on an entire population 771 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,813 generates a vast amount of data. 772 00:41:24,836 --> 00:41:26,280 Enter Google and Amazon, 773 00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,036 who have been building cloud 774 00:41:28,048 --> 00:41:29,960 services and data farms in Israel 775 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:33,840 since 2021 under a deal called Project Nimbus. 776 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,697 After the war began, the army's computing 777 00:41:36,708 --> 00:41:38,599 division said they were collecting 778 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,773 so much data they had to move some 779 00:41:40,784 --> 00:41:42,719 of it onto the civilian cloud. 780 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,400 8200 is using a cloud service by Amazon 781 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,414 to store huge amount of 782 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,320 information about people in Gaza, 783 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,840 and that this cloud was used, at least to help 784 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,599 some of the attacks. 785 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:03,445 I've been looking at how Israel's 786 00:42:03,456 --> 00:42:05,039 army and tech sector benefit 787 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:07,079 from conflict in Palestine, 788 00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:08,898 but could it also be true of other 789 00:42:08,911 --> 00:42:10,480 countries and multinationals? 790 00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:13,920 To find out more, I met with Paul Biggar, 791 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,920 the founder of a billion dollar tech company. 792 00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:19,199 Google's motto used to be don't be evil. 793 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,320 And it seems like a lot of these big tech companies Amazon, 794 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,679 Google and others have no issue with working with Israel. 795 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:28,360 In fact, they're often expanding their contracts. 796 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,920 Do they not care about the reputational damage? 797 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,211 Fundamentally, they're about making money. 798 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,936 Getting that cloud revenue. 799 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,750 You know, may have started as a 800 00:42:37,762 --> 00:42:39,480 $600 million contract, but it is, 801 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:41,960 expanding massively over the years. 802 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,119 So we are talking, at the stage where, 803 00:42:46,172 --> 00:42:48,159 where they may be getting billions 804 00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:49,568 and possibly tens of billions of 805 00:42:49,579 --> 00:42:51,400 dollars from Israel via Project Nimbus. 806 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,920 They're also setting themselves up as the de facto people 807 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,280 to talk to when your government needs to, needs to scale. 808 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,327 And so there's a lot more governments 809 00:43:02,338 --> 00:43:04,559 that are a lot larger than, than Israel. 810 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,239 And Google wants to be first in line for those contracts. 811 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,663 And more importantly, they've realized 812 00:43:09,675 --> 00:43:12,360 there aren't any reputational consequences 813 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,550 for what it does. 814 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,239 So it's not just Israel that uses the Palestinians 815 00:43:19,264 --> 00:43:20,974 to test their products on. 816 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:22,947 It's actually the whole world. 817 00:43:23,128 --> 00:43:24,376 (atmospheric music) 818 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,159 And there's no greater arena for testing weapons 819 00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:28,940 than a live war. 820 00:43:29,612 --> 00:43:30,612 (explosion) 821 00:43:33,798 --> 00:43:36,106 The Iron Sting is a guided mortar 822 00:43:36,132 --> 00:43:38,039 marketed as a precision weapon. 823 00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:39,427 The Iron Sting is so precise 824 00:43:39,452 --> 00:43:40,679 that it can even hit a specific room 825 00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:43,679 without causing damage to other rooms in the same building. 826 00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:47,599 This is its first use in battle. 827 00:43:48,094 --> 00:43:49,094 (explosion) 828 00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:51,867 And looks like it might have damaged 829 00:43:51,891 --> 00:43:53,318 more than one room. 830 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,119 At least two Israeli companies have made drones 831 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:01,119 stable enough to handle gunfire. 832 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,840 This is Elbit's bird of prey, 833 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,039 seen here accompanying an armored bulldozer into battle. 834 00:44:08,233 --> 00:44:09,514 (strident music) 835 00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:12,960 Eyewitnesses in Gaza 836 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,639 say these drones with guns are proving terrifying and deadly. 837 00:44:27,204 --> 00:44:29,804 Arms experts have told us the last moments 838 00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:32,320 of the life of Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar 839 00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:35,639 were likely filmed on one of these drones. 840 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,239 His final act to throw a stick at it. 841 00:44:40,724 --> 00:44:41,764 (tense music) 842 00:44:48,722 --> 00:44:50,159 Talk about some of those things 843 00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,516 in Gaza that Israel has been doing 844 00:44:52,528 --> 00:44:54,559 militarily since October 7th, 845 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,280 and why you think that might be appealing to other nations? 846 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:00,199 Everybody knows that 847 00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:03,440 you know, Israel is very advanced in the technology, 848 00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:08,159 but definitely after such a, such a war in Gaza, 849 00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:10,286 when people see the demonstration 850 00:45:10,298 --> 00:45:12,182 in real life and it's working, 851 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,159 it creates, you know, the needs and understanding how crucial 852 00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:19,447 those things are and how critical for 853 00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:22,123 others to, to hold it and to have it. 854 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,559 Now, Israel has physical access to Gaza, 855 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:28,559 they're rolling out many of the surveillance techniques used 856 00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:29,880 in the West Bank. 857 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,679 Unit 8200 is giving soldiers 858 00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:35,800 and drones, AI enabled surveillance technology 859 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,360 to search for anyone linked to Hamas or other rebel groups. 860 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,920 The system relies on technology from Corsight, an Israeli video 861 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,280 analysis company, and the Israeli army is also using 862 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,503 Google Photos, which can identify people 863 00:45:49,516 --> 00:45:51,480 from just a fraction of their face. 864 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,007 We are basically speaking about a 865 00:45:55,019 --> 00:45:57,199 system where the government where 866 00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,757 the private sector producing and exporting 867 00:45:59,768 --> 00:46:01,800 the facial recognition technique, 868 00:46:01,827 --> 00:46:03,884 they test those technologies in Palestine 869 00:46:03,909 --> 00:46:05,880 and the occupied Palestinian territory. 870 00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:09,960 So occupying people is profitable 871 00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:13,920 because it's not only you take the resources of the land. 872 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,519 Now we are speaking about digital occupation, where also 873 00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:23,159 your data is a new resource to develop new technologies 874 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:25,836 and to start selling that worldwide to 875 00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:28,652 profit from oppressing other people. 876 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,172 But perhaps the most advanced and game 877 00:46:31,184 --> 00:46:33,679 changing weapon being used in the Gaza war 878 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,400 is the targeting of human beings by artificial intelligence. 879 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,356 So do you think that tools like 880 00:46:39,369 --> 00:46:41,480 Lavender, the Gospel, there's a decent 881 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,639 chance of Israel could potentially be selling 882 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,639 those tools to other militaries? 883 00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,775 I think it's a very fair possibility 884 00:46:50,788 --> 00:46:53,000 that Israel will sell it. 885 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,639 And this is, I think, one of the reasons 886 00:46:55,652 --> 00:46:58,239 they allowed our story to be published. 887 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,880 Just explain a bit what you mean by that. 888 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,159 You have to file any report that relates to the military, 889 00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:09,599 to the military censorship, and they can allow, disallow. 890 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,757 I suspect there were people in 891 00:47:11,769 --> 00:47:14,199 Israel who wanted the world to know 892 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,880 that they have very, very sophisticated 893 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,722 AI surveillance methods that can collect and kill. 894 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,079 Being here again, I've seen how physical 895 00:47:27,097 --> 00:47:29,519 barriers and high technology divide 896 00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,309 this land in a way many human 897 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,679 rights organizations call apartheid. 898 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,373 I've seen how this has allowed Israel 899 00:47:36,385 --> 00:47:38,280 to create world leading surveillance 900 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,527 and arms industries who export their products globally. 901 00:47:41,797 --> 00:47:43,318 (atmospheric music) 902 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:48,239 We are in Tucson, Arizona, and it is searingly hot. 903 00:47:48,679 --> 00:47:51,239 I can smell the freedom here. 904 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,519 But that much vaunted freedom needs regular enforcement, 905 00:47:54,545 --> 00:47:57,545 especially as we're right on the border with Mexico. 906 00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,695 Since 2021, more than 6 million 907 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,679 refugees and migrants have been detained 908 00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:04,849 crossing into the USA overland, 909 00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:06,800 driven by collapsing economies, 910 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,057 violence and climate change. 911 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:13,840 One thing that's really clear is that what Israel has been doing 912 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,760 for decades in Palestine is very attractive to people 913 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,159 who are trying to secure the US-Mexico border. 914 00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:22,534 So the technology and the companies 915 00:48:22,545 --> 00:48:24,599 who are operating in Palestine 916 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,047 are often appearing in other countries 917 00:48:27,059 --> 00:48:28,719 around the world, including right here 918 00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:30,480 on the US-Mexico border. 919 00:48:30,657 --> 00:48:32,336 (moody guitar playing) 920 00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:33,559 But first, 921 00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,559 to understand what it means to cross the border here, 922 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,760 I'm heading into the desert to meet Joel Smith. 923 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,480 He describes the challenges facing the migrants. 924 00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:46,960 The object is to get the kids 925 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,929 to the Tucson area and get out of here, 926 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,565 get out of the desert itself. 927 00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,760 So what they have a choice of now 928 00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:57,039 is going across the mountains to avoid border patrol, 929 00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,938 they don't like the inaccessible areas 930 00:48:58,949 --> 00:49:00,639 you can't get to without a vehicle. 931 00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,059 The US-Mexico crossing is the 932 00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:05,280 deadliest land route for refugees 933 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,679 in the world, with over 600 deaths recorded in 2022. 934 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,480 And the more remote the route, the more dangerous it is. 935 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,440 How's it look? 936 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,041 A little bit dirty. 937 00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:21,875 Usually they come from, places where they 938 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,713 really don't understand, deserts. 939 00:49:23,739 --> 00:49:24,809 Right. 940 00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:27,000 They think there's going to be a stream. 941 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,826 They think there's going to be a creek 942 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,735 somewhere they can get water from. 943 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,028 But there's absolutely nothing here. 944 00:49:32,052 --> 00:49:33,000 Right. 945 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,079 But people aren't dying of starvation out here, 946 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:37,547 they're dying of thirst. 947 00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,079 And what forces people to take these precarious routes, 948 00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:47,001 of course, is the famous wall along the border with Mexico. 949 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,000 In Tucson, Arizona, 950 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,880 illegal traffic dropped 92%. 951 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,728 If you really want to find out how 952 00:49:54,739 --> 00:49:57,251 effective a wall is, just ask Israel. 953 00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,079 This section predates President Trump, 954 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,135 but under his first administration, 955 00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,500 Israeli firm Elta was paid 956 00:50:05,525 --> 00:50:08,342 half a million dollars to come up with prototypes 957 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,119 for his dream of a coast to coast wall. 958 00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:13,920 What we see here is the physical fence. 959 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,286 We don't see huge amounts of surveillance 960 00:50:16,297 --> 00:50:18,280 technology, but we know it's here. 961 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,273 There are various parts of this 962 00:50:20,286 --> 00:50:22,679 border which use Israeli made Elbit 963 00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:24,239 surveillance towers. 964 00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,920 And now we're going to look for those surveillance towers. 965 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,880 I'm going to speak to one of the world's experts about it. 966 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,239 Todd Miller is a journalist who's been studying 967 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,400 the US-Mexico border for over 15 years. 968 00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:39,800 He's taking me to see one of the 55 Israeli Elbit 969 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,000 surveillance towers dotted across this landscape. 970 00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,599 They're actually working together. 971 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,360 And that's, that's why they call this the virtual wall. 972 00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,215 Right? 973 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,239 These towers are equipped with night vision cameras 974 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,480 that could see at least 7.5 miles away. 975 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,519 Regular cameras, thermal energy 976 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,800 cameras, and a ground sweeping radar system 977 00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,920 that supposedly has a, 13 mile radius. 978 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,280 Probably we're standing on an underground motion sensor. 979 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,523 So if you are walking and you step 980 00:51:11,536 --> 00:51:13,920 on one, it sends off a beeping sound 981 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,981 in like the command and control center 982 00:51:15,992 --> 00:51:18,119 where they're watching the video feeds. 983 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,000 Then they're able to zoom in, like, say, 984 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,556 they see somebody walking on the hill... 985 00:51:23,581 --> 00:51:25,039 - Or us. - Or us. 986 00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:26,650 It might be zooming in right... 987 00:51:26,675 --> 00:51:28,697 on us at this, at this very moment. 988 00:51:28,721 --> 00:51:29,615 Exactly. 989 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:31,871 On one visit here, a Border Patrol 990 00:51:31,884 --> 00:51:34,320 agent boasted to him that just seeing 991 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,021 the towers on the hill forced 992 00:51:36,034 --> 00:51:38,280 migrants to take more remote routes. 993 00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,599 And then he said, well, then we go to what is a chokepoint, 994 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,590 and we intercept the people when 995 00:51:44,603 --> 00:51:46,400 they come through the chokepoint. 996 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,639 There's a correlation between people dying 997 00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,737 and these towers that work in 998 00:51:51,748 --> 00:51:54,728 tandem with the actual border wall. 999 00:51:54,985 --> 00:51:56,025 (tense music) 1000 00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,239 I'm with the San Diego Sheriff's Department. 1001 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,376 I'm the homeland security 1002 00:52:00,387 --> 00:52:02,039 director for the state of Alabama. 1003 00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:03,440 American law enforcement 1004 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,460 has been turning to Israel for training 1005 00:52:05,472 --> 00:52:07,625 and equipment since 9-11. 1006 00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,280 What is happening this evening is a compelling 1007 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,280 chapter in the war on terror. 1008 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,335 Tonight's meeting is the culmination 1009 00:52:15,347 --> 00:52:17,320 of a week in which top American law 1010 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,278 enforcement officials traveled to 1011 00:52:19,291 --> 00:52:21,320 Israel to meet their counterparts. 1012 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,559 And that relationship has boosted sales of Israel's 1013 00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:28,559 so-called homeland security technology. 1014 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,800 The Arizona police are among many US forces 1015 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,800 using the services of Israeli company Cellebrite. 1016 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,213 This allows them to extract all the 1017 00:52:37,224 --> 00:52:39,320 data from mobiles in their possession 1018 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,025 without a password. 1019 00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:44,880 And the border has been patrolled by a Hermes 1020 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,239 450 drone, also made by Elbit Systems. 1021 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,480 This is the promo 1022 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,480 created in the bid for the towers contract. 1023 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,420 Phrases like "securing the 1024 00:52:56,432 --> 00:52:58,440 world's most challenging borders" 1025 00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:00,322 are how the Israeli companies 1026 00:53:00,333 --> 00:53:02,480 remind customers that their products 1027 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,913 might have been tested in Palestine. 1028 00:53:05,298 --> 00:53:06,579 (brooding music) 1029 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,760 The tech park at the University of Arizona 1030 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,760 was keen to get Israeli companies to locate here 1031 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,880 at the time Elbit was awarded the tower contract. 1032 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,800 We are going to meet 1033 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,800 Bruce Wright, who used to head the Arizona 1034 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,239 tech park when he was a big 1035 00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:29,550 figure in encouraging Israeli companies 1036 00:53:29,563 --> 00:53:31,480 to come and work here and train. 1037 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:34,219 So we're going to meet him in his gated community 1038 00:53:34,688 --> 00:53:35,969 (brooding music) 1039 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,440 Good to meet you. 1040 00:53:38,614 --> 00:53:40,974 Welcome to Tucson. 1041 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,719 Elbit is an Israeli 1042 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,559 based company, but they created a US subsidiary and they wanted 1043 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,559 to demonstrate this technology along the US-Mexico border. 1044 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:51,835 We jumped on that opportunity because 1045 00:53:51,847 --> 00:53:53,400 of our knowledge and understanding 1046 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,360 of Israel and what was happening with that technology in Israel. 1047 00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,840 They were in some ways very far ahead of the United States 1048 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,864 in trying to use technology to manage 1049 00:54:01,876 --> 00:54:03,599 their problems, whether they be, 1050 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,682 you know, terrorism or border 1051 00:54:05,695 --> 00:54:07,800 crossings or whatever it might be. 1052 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:09,000 (vibrant electronic score) 1053 00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:11,559 National border security is often challenged 1054 00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:13,731 by difficult topographic conditions 1055 00:54:13,742 --> 00:54:15,552 and vast areas of interest. 1056 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,559 Since Elbit secured the $200 million Arizona deal, 1057 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:21,708 the fixed towers have made it into 1058 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,599 the current Torch-X borders promo. 1059 00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:25,847 Elbit systems has the technology, 1060 00:54:25,858 --> 00:54:27,360 knowhow and real world 1061 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,324 operational experience. 1062 00:54:29,347 --> 00:54:31,599 Torch-X is also used by the Israeli 1063 00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:33,182 army on the border with Gaza. 1064 00:54:33,195 --> 00:54:35,119 and coastal protection solutions. 1065 00:54:37,775 --> 00:54:39,295 This is Amy Juan 1066 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,320 and the co-op farm in the Tohono O'Odham nation. 1067 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,960 It's as far as the eye can see. 1068 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,159 So yeah, we're a pretty special farm. 1069 00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:49,159 Because their land crosses the US-Mexico border, 1070 00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:52,054 they have the surveillance towers across their territory. 1071 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,880 It's a loss of privacy, it's a loss of freedom. 1072 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,119 And if anything, it's not just them keeping an eye 1073 00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:00,639 on movement across the border, 1074 00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:02,320 it's them keeping an eye on us. 1075 00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:05,679 What Border Patrol presence has done 1076 00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:08,307 was basically make everybody suspect. 1077 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,559 To go from a people 1078 00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,599 and a place that have basically been left alone, 1079 00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:20,280 for centuries, to being an occupied, militarized community, 1080 00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,384 it is very traumatizing. 1081 00:55:22,521 --> 00:55:23,496 (brooding music) 1082 00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:25,960 What's been so clear, being here in Arizona is that 1083 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,186 there is not just a direct 1084 00:55:27,197 --> 00:55:28,960 connection between what's happening 1085 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,960 in Palestine and here on the US-Mexico border 1086 00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:35,159 in a physical sense, but also an ideological sense. 1087 00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,829 The perception in the US in some parts 1088 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,960 is that Israel has been successful 1089 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,280 in managing, pushing back Palestinians. 1090 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,599 And the same thing can be done here to push people, migrants 1091 00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:50,257 in more and more extreme ways, 1092 00:55:50,269 --> 00:55:52,219 which inevitably leads to more deaths. 1093 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,280 Mexico is our next destination, so we're heading 1094 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,719 to the border town of Nogales, which is a major crossing point. 1095 00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:01,920 We're in the line 1096 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,735 to cross from the US to Mexico, 1097 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,039 I'm gonna have to turn the camera off. 1098 00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:06,619 And you can't take guns either, 1099 00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:08,471 just to keep the authorities happy. 1100 00:56:08,672 --> 00:56:10,353 (gentle, relaxed music) 1101 00:56:11,054 --> 00:56:13,255 Here we are, Mexico City. 1102 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,523 So loud! 1103 00:56:15,617 --> 00:56:18,775 This incredible country of 130 million people 1104 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,360 is renowned for its culture, food and music. 1105 00:56:21,969 --> 00:56:23,329 (music continues) 1106 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,360 But it's almost as well known 1107 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,360 for its ongoing battles with drug cartels. 1108 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,800 430,000 people have been killed 1109 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,596 since the start of this drug war nearly two decades ago. 1110 00:56:38,992 --> 00:56:40,032 (tense music) 1111 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,880 This roundabout in the center of Mexico City is dedicated to 1112 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,639 some of the estimated 60,000 people who've been disappeared, 1113 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,119 often with the collusion of law enforcement. 1114 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,639 In 2014, there were 43 students who disappeared. 1115 00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:02,519 Ten years on, there's been no justice, no accountability. 1116 00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:04,320 It's a huge scandal here. 1117 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,329 And remarkably, there's actually a real 1118 00:57:06,340 --> 00:57:08,159 deep connection to Israeli spyware. 1119 00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,280 Eduardo Ibanez has been a regular 1120 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,280 at this protest encampment for the last ten years. 1121 00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:34,440 Three were killed 1122 00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,199 and the remaining 43 were taken into custody by local police. 1123 00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:41,320 They have not been seen since. 1124 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,192 Various investigations have revealed 1125 00:57:43,204 --> 00:57:44,679 the involvement of the army, 1126 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,000 but failed to locate the bodies of the missing. 1127 00:57:48,804 --> 00:57:49,844 (tense music) 1128 00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,920 Led by the families, the movement for justice 1129 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,920 was seen as a threat by successive governments, 1130 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,639 and the Israeli spyware Pegasus 1131 00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:04,306 was deployed on them. 1132 00:58:07,539 --> 00:58:09,014 We're going to see Centro Pro 1133 00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,360 a legal firm here in Mexico City, who represented 1134 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,855 some of the 43 disappeared families, 1135 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,096 and to find out how they were Pegasussed, 1136 00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:19,311 which appears to be a verb now. 1137 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,480 In 2016, things were tense as the lawyers contested 1138 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,480 the government's account of what had happened to the missing, 1139 00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:29,557 and then their private phone calls were 1140 00:58:29,570 --> 00:58:31,480 suddenly all over the national media. 1141 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,119 I received messages, of, 1142 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:40,519 phone call that I have had with one of the parents of the 43 1143 00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:46,119 that was being published in a big newspaper from, Mexico. 1144 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,639 This phone call with one of the parents 1145 00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:57,376 was presented in a way that suggested 1146 00:58:57,387 --> 00:59:00,280 that we were talking about dirty money, 1147 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,804 and the whole, presentation was 1148 00:59:02,815 --> 00:59:05,980 signed by a drug cartel and so on. 1149 00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,000 When that happened, we were shocked. 1150 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,360 It was my voice. 1151 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,800 It was a private phone call. 1152 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,818 You become afraid of what else can 1153 00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:18,599 they have of your private life. 1154 00:59:19,601 --> 00:59:23,119 Then in 2022, Apple's customer protection system 1155 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:24,670 alerted them that they were the 1156 00:59:24,682 --> 00:59:26,599 subject of a state sponsored attack. 1157 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,519 Nowadays, you have everything on your phone. 1158 00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:33,119 There is nothing that we can do basically to prevent it. 1159 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,119 What everybody says is that this technology evolves faster 1160 00:59:37,222 --> 00:59:39,262 than what we can do, 1161 00:59:39,288 --> 00:59:43,260 you know, in a small NGO in, Mexico City. 1162 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,119 At the time of the first attack, 1163 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,260 no one knew how this had happened 1164 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,356 or who else might be targeted. 1165 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,360 Until this man helped identify the spyware. 1166 00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:54,692 Hi! - Hi! 1167 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,239 But before we could talk, 1168 00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,239 he wanted to check that my phone wasn't infected. 1169 00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,961 It will not only compromise you, 1170 01:00:00,974 --> 01:00:02,639 but everyone who has contacted you. 1171 01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:04,039 So it's, it's surveillance 1172 01:00:04,039 --> 01:00:06,480 that goes beyond their main target. 1173 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,320 What we're gonna do 1174 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,960 is that we are going to see if we can find something. 1175 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,150 Pegasus can now get into your phone 1176 01:00:13,163 --> 01:00:15,360 without the user needing to click a link. 1177 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:18,599 It takes control of your camera, your microphone, 1178 01:00:18,599 --> 01:00:21,599 and broadcasts it to those controlling the software. 1179 01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,480 They can see your location, access your data 1180 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,222 and see what's on your screen, 1181 01:00:26,248 --> 01:00:28,561 including encrypted messaging apps. 1182 01:00:28,838 --> 01:00:30,815 So it's good. - It's negative. 1183 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,960 Yeah. 1184 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,000 This phone didn't 1185 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,987 show signs of the types of infections 1186 01:00:34,998 --> 01:00:36,840 that we check for including Pegasus. 1187 01:00:36,947 --> 01:00:38,894 How often do you use these tools to check? 1188 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,960 Are we talking daily? 1189 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,480 Yeah, almost. 1190 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,922 When the lawyer's phones were first compromised in 2016, 1191 01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:48,119 Luis started investigating who was behind it. 1192 01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:51,159 This is the first contract 1193 01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:55,400 to get access to Pegasus, almost $3 million. 1194 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,800 And it mentions also the number of targets 1195 01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:01,750 because normally the number of licenses 1196 01:01:01,762 --> 01:01:04,559 that this particular client acquired, 1197 01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:06,894 which were 500, that means that you 1198 01:01:06,922 --> 01:01:09,442 can spy 500 phones at the same time. 1199 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:12,920 During this period... 10,000 1200 01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,159 or even more people were targeted with Pegasus 1201 01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:17,574 in Mexico, many of which were journalists, 1202 01:01:17,585 --> 01:01:19,559 human rights defenders, activists, 1203 01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:23,199 politicians, government officials themselves. 1204 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,679 Another sales document, this one from 2022, 1205 01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:28,706 revealed the Mexican army was 1206 01:01:28,717 --> 01:01:30,800 acting in an unconstitutional way. 1207 01:01:31,146 --> 01:01:33,527 The heading of the email and the document, 1208 01:01:33,552 --> 01:01:35,440 it's called... (indistinct) 1209 01:01:35,543 --> 01:01:39,623 or like "deadly document"... something like that. 1210 01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:41,414 That supposed to be funny? - I don't know if it's 1211 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,719 supposed to be funny or it's supposed to 1212 01:01:43,742 --> 01:01:45,719 like indicate that it's very secret. 1213 01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:50,280 The final user of this, director of Military Intelligence Center, 1214 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,480 this agency was secret, but it was also illegal. 1215 01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:56,005 They don't have any legal 1216 01:01:56,016 --> 01:01:58,000 authorization to do surveillance. 1217 01:01:58,599 --> 01:02:00,599 Mexico's army is huge. 1218 01:02:00,599 --> 01:02:02,719 Almost a state within a state. 1219 01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:06,280 And Mexico is the world's biggest user of Pegasus spyware. 1220 01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:08,039 It's controlled by the Army 1221 01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:12,000 Intelligence Center behind gate four of this massive camp. 1222 01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,519 It's totally secretive. 1223 01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:19,519 There's no way I can actually get in there. 1224 01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:21,639 Have a chat, which would be nice. 1225 01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:23,469 Love to see the files. 1226 01:02:24,679 --> 01:02:28,480 Despite the evidence, the Army still denies they use Pegasus, 1227 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,760 and that dynamic gives Israel potential leverage 1228 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,818 over Pegasus customers. 1229 01:02:34,032 --> 01:02:35,072 (tense music) 1230 01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:38,239 They could reveal their clients. 1231 01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:41,239 They have allegedly backups 1232 01:02:41,239 --> 01:02:44,239 of all the people that have been surveilled. 1233 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,659 Definitely, that gives Israel power over 1234 01:02:46,684 --> 01:02:47,719 the Mexican position. 1235 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,000 For example, the Mexican army has no legal basis 1236 01:02:51,239 --> 01:02:54,239 to acquire or deploy a tool like Pegasus. 1237 01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:57,599 That definitely plays a role into 1238 01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,880 how belligerent the Mexican government or how, 1239 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:04,800 outspoken it is on, 1240 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,159 issues like the apartheid 1241 01:03:07,159 --> 01:03:10,159 or genocide going on in, in Palestine. 1242 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,199 After gaining access to Pegasus in 2011, Mexico's 1243 01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:16,070 tradition of supporting Palestine 1244 01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:18,014 at the United Nations shifted. 1245 01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,440 And after Netanyahu visited in 2017, Mexico announced 1246 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,920 it would abstain on several pro-Palestine resolutions. 1247 01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:29,760 The use of Israeli technology 1248 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,487 is even more profoundly embedded in the European Union. 1249 01:03:33,913 --> 01:03:35,592 (army marching drums) 1250 01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:39,239 The EU is the second largest buyer 1251 01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,967 of Israeli weapons. 1252 01:03:43,380 --> 01:03:44,576 (marching band music) 1253 01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:47,360 Israeli so-called smart fence technology 1254 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,166 is being installed on Europe's 1255 01:03:49,177 --> 01:03:51,360 land borders to control migration. 1256 01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,016 And we're here in Samos, Greece 1257 01:03:54,027 --> 01:03:55,719 just two kilometers from Turkey, 1258 01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:59,960 to see how Israeli surveillance tech is central to the EU's 1259 01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,768 vision for border security. We're meeting 1260 01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:05,400 Petra Molnar, who is an anthropologist 1261 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,400 and a global expert on migration and borders. 1262 01:04:08,679 --> 01:04:10,039 Good to see you. 1263 01:04:11,387 --> 01:04:14,135 Samos, I think, is a really important 1264 01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:15,519 place to try and understand, 1265 01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,880 because it was one of the first camps 1266 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,159 that was constructed to deal with a mass influx of people 1267 01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:26,760 who were escaping the Syrian war back in 2015, 2016. 1268 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,559 On the hillside, just outside the main town of Vathy, 1269 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,760 the old camp was built for 650 people 1270 01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:37,184 that was rapidly overwhelmed, with up to 9000. 1271 01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:38,456 (brooding music) 1272 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,880 It was a bustling 1273 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,480 city within a city, almost kind of spilling down the hillside 1274 01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:46,106 like a glass of milk into the city of Vathy there. 1275 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:47,599 People had to build their own 1276 01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:51,400 ramshackle tents, and there were reports of rape and violence. 1277 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,719 I mean, obviously the conditions were horrific, 1278 01:04:54,719 --> 01:04:58,018 but it had a bit of like a community feeling to it. 1279 01:04:58,286 --> 01:04:59,806 (atmospheric music) 1280 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:03,000 People were surviving. 1281 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,286 There was a school. 1282 01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:08,710 People would cook and spend time together. 1283 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,800 As we kept getting more and more people on the island, 1284 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:15,302 the authorities decided that 1285 01:05:15,315 --> 01:05:17,079 something had to be done to this camp. 1286 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,382 And therefore they obviously decided they 1287 01:05:19,394 --> 01:05:21,199 want to build something more high tech 1288 01:05:21,199 --> 01:05:22,920 and bigger. 1289 01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:23,735 Yeah, that's right, 1290 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,653 with money from the European Union and 1291 01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:29,119 Samos was the first camp like this that was constructed. 1292 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:30,960 It's just over the hill there. 1293 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,059 And it is very, very different from this one. 1294 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,000 In 2021, thousands of refugees were moved 1295 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,920 to the new Closed Control Access Center, or CCAC. 1296 01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:47,320 Much better living conditions, 1297 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:48,822 but at the same time, increased 1298 01:05:48,833 --> 01:05:50,639 security provisions for the benefit 1299 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:51,960 of asylum seekers, 1300 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,463 for the benefit of the staff 1301 01:05:53,474 --> 01:05:55,416 and for the benefit of the local communities. 1302 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,920 This CCAC is up a hill eight kilometers from the town. 1303 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:02,039 What really strikes you first, 1304 01:06:02,039 --> 01:06:04,519 like it's a massive block of concrete. 1305 01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:07,199 It's sunbaked. It's so hot. 1306 01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:08,927 It's just, you know, there's very 1307 01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:10,679 little vegetation inside the camp 1308 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,840 and also so much surveillance. 1309 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,074 When we went in for the official opening, 1310 01:06:15,086 --> 01:06:17,280 we were able to go inside the containers 1311 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,862 where people are living and there 1312 01:06:18,873 --> 01:06:20,280 are cameras in the corridors. 1313 01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:23,559 There's also cameras on some of the taller poles. 1314 01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:25,521 People have reported drone usage, 1315 01:06:25,534 --> 01:06:27,159 and where the data is going 1316 01:06:27,159 --> 01:06:30,159 and who it's being shared with is not exactly clear. 1317 01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:32,039 So what is it like to live there? 1318 01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:34,163 Rouli came from Syria and was 1319 01:06:34,175 --> 01:06:36,880 moved from the old camp to the CCAC. 1320 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,469 You see the wires, the cameras, the... 1321 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,800 security guard, the police, like... 1322 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,159 Where am I? I am in Guantanamo now. 1323 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:50,739 Sometimes I was exiting my container to get fresh air. 1324 01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:53,480 Like, I cannot be in this box. 1325 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,159 You look here like there is a camera. 1326 01:06:56,159 --> 01:06:57,840 You look there like there's a camera. 1327 01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,119 You turn like this, there is a camera. 1328 01:07:00,119 --> 01:07:02,679 And then beside that, like everywhere, 1329 01:07:02,679 --> 01:07:06,425 there are police officers, security guards. 1330 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,559 You're controlled. Your life, it's... under control, 1331 01:07:09,563 --> 01:07:11,003 twenty four seven. 1332 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,715 You feel like everyone like is staring at you. 1333 01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:18,425 Like as you are, like... 1334 01:07:19,565 --> 01:07:23,329 Like... the most dangerous person in the world. 1335 01:07:23,833 --> 01:07:24,873 (tense music) 1336 01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:28,960 I want to know what all this surveillance is for. 1337 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,181 So I'm meeting an NGO that provides 1338 01:07:31,193 --> 01:07:33,239 legal support to asylum seekers. 1339 01:07:34,775 --> 01:07:37,894 When people are registered and the Closed Control 1340 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,550 Access Center, they're required to 1341 01:07:39,563 --> 01:07:41,440 give their fingerprints multiple times. 1342 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,215 And part of this is for the asylum procedure. 1343 01:07:44,239 --> 01:07:45,480 It's for the Eurodac system 1344 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,639 that's an EU wide database of fingerprints of asylum seekers. 1345 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,280 But it's also for Hyperion, this biometric 1346 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,360 AI technology that the CCAC has in place, 1347 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,320 that's 100% funded by the EU. 1348 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,000 So they have a biometric card, and when they leave the facility 1349 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,079 and when they come back in, they have to scan the card 1350 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:07,079 and scan their fingerprint to be able to enter and exit. 1351 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,159 When you look at the Ministry of Migration's website, 1352 01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:13,273 you can see that they report that 1353 01:08:13,284 --> 01:08:15,159 there's, behavioral or motion 1354 01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,195 recognition analytics that is being 1355 01:08:17,207 --> 01:08:19,199 used in the Centaur system. 1356 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,760 To our understanding, there's CCTV cameras and drones, 1357 01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:28,119 which are then, live streamed to a control center in Athens. 1358 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,640 This is known as Centaur and controls the Samos CCAC. 1359 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:34,617 and four other similar camps. 1360 01:08:35,288 --> 01:08:38,199 At the heart of it is a system supplied by Octopus, 1361 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,377 an Israeli firm whose customers include the Israeli military. 1362 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,239 Octopus allows simple 1363 01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:48,319 management of entire security events from one screen. 1364 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,600 And on Samos, we discovered that the behavioral analytics is done 1365 01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:54,880 by Israeli company Viisights, 1366 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,783 which is supported by the Israeli 1367 01:08:56,796 --> 01:08:58,600 army and intelligence services. 1368 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,630 It goes to these policies of 1369 01:09:00,641 --> 01:09:03,560 exclusion and technologies of control. 1370 01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,800 I mean, I was in the occupied West Bank last year 1371 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,005 and some of the infrastructure that 1372 01:09:09,016 --> 01:09:10,960 you see there is replicated here. 1373 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,923 I mean, it is the kind of same 1374 01:09:12,935 --> 01:09:15,439 thinking that technology can be used 1375 01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:16,600 to manage people 1376 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,492 and control people and keep people away 1377 01:09:18,503 --> 01:09:20,359 that you don't want on your territory. 1378 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,640 Key to Europe's efforts to keep people away 1379 01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,069 are the Heron drones Israel uses to surveil Gaza. 1380 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,479 In 2020, Israel Aerospace Industries 1381 01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,342 signed a $50 million deal to provide the drones 1382 01:09:34,368 --> 01:09:37,693 to the EU's border force Frontex. 1383 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:40,800 Introducing 1384 01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,359 Heron Maritime UAS with a multi-sensor payload 1385 01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:47,880 tailored to the mission and with 24 hours of endurance. 1386 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:51,399 Known as a fixed wing drone, the Heron has a range of up 1387 01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:54,399 to 1000km from its base in Malta. 1388 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,119 Unlike a ship on the sea, a drone has no obligation 1389 01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:00,520 to rescue vessels in distress. 1390 01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,095 Instead, Frontex passes the location of 1391 01:10:03,108 --> 01:10:05,760 migrant boats to the Libyan Coast Guard. 1392 01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:08,319 The boat capsized during the interception. 1393 01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:11,494 The EU pays Libya to intercept migrants. 1394 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,396 In just the first ten months of 2024, 1395 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,774 over 18,000 people were stopped from 1396 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:17,762 reaching Europe. 1397 01:10:17,787 --> 01:10:19,421 There's people in the water now. - Yeah. 1398 01:10:19,496 --> 01:10:21,118 A lot, a lot of people in the water. 1399 01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:22,569 All of them. 1400 01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:26,920 At least 28,000 1401 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,208 people have died in the 1402 01:10:28,220 --> 01:10:30,483 Mediterranean in the last decade. 1403 01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:37,997 The Greek government and the EU deny that they do pushbacks. 1404 01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:41,239 What do you think their logic is in doing so? 1405 01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:43,636 They want to make the passage into the EU 1406 01:10:43,649 --> 01:10:46,000 as difficult and as violent as possible, 1407 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,122 so that other people are dissuaded from coming, 1408 01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:50,760 because the more technology 1409 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,159 you have, the more, the bigger your surveillance dragnet is. 1410 01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:55,960 And people also know that. 1411 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,631 And so they will take riskier routes 1412 01:10:57,643 --> 01:10:59,662 to try and avoid that surveillance. 1413 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,542 In 2019, the Greek Coast Guard signed 1414 01:11:02,554 --> 01:11:04,840 a deal with Israeli company Elbit 1415 01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:08,720 for a full combat suite, enabling patrol boats to control 1416 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,087 fleets of drones and conduct surveillance 1417 01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:12,800 far beyond the line of sight. 1418 01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,920 The army acquired an Israeli made Heron drone for border 1419 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:21,359 duty in 2020, and the Coast Guard has had one since 2022. 1420 01:11:21,426 --> 01:11:22,426 (gunshots) 1421 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,840 This footage shows the Coast Guard illegally 1422 01:11:24,877 --> 01:11:26,920 pushing a boat out of Greek waters 1423 01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:30,119 and into Turkish waters, known as a push back. 1424 01:11:31,119 --> 01:11:33,509 It's something Rouli experienced multiple 1425 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,363 times during his attempts to reach Greece. 1426 01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:41,039 They were like, hitting us with the iron, metal. 1427 01:11:41,239 --> 01:11:44,476 And they were like, destroying the motor 1428 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,277 and asked us, like to throw the oil, 1429 01:11:47,301 --> 01:11:48,895 (indistinct) 1430 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:54,145 to not be able to cross after when they... leave. 1431 01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:57,840 We've made contact with someone who works 1432 01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:00,840 at this high tech camp, and he doesn't want to be identified. 1433 01:12:00,864 --> 01:12:03,864 So we have to go out of town to interview him. 1434 01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:05,658 And we're on the way there now. 1435 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:09,119 The whistleblower says that in 2020, Greece 1436 01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:12,479 adopted a policy to push back 100% of the boats. 1437 01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,255 So they started pushing every boat back... 1438 01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:17,335 - To Turkish waters. - To Turkish waters. 1439 01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,000 He says after 2020, almost no one arrived at the camp. 1440 01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:23,760 After March 2020, 1441 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,037 the numbers to Samos were ridiculous, 1442 01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:29,177 I think it was like 25 people in total. 1443 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,760 But you cannot have zero arrivals for the whole year. 1444 01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:36,479 They proved that they can control 100% of the arrivals. 1445 01:12:37,072 --> 01:12:39,091 That changed in June 2023, when 1446 01:12:39,104 --> 01:12:41,479 the Greek coastguard tried to tow 1447 01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:44,398 a refugee boat, the Adrianna, but instead 1448 01:12:44,409 --> 01:12:47,329 capsized it, killing nearly 600 people. 1449 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,032 Suddenly, Greece's border 1450 01:12:49,043 --> 01:12:51,239 practices were under the spotlight. 1451 01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:53,520 They changed their policy. 1452 01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,359 They stopped doing pushbacks. 1453 01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:57,359 He says that for Samos, the pause 1454 01:12:57,371 --> 01:12:59,560 resulted in more people in the camp. 1455 01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,279 And that's why from 300 people, 400 people that were there, 1456 01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,506 within two maximum three months, we had 4000 people in the camp. 1457 01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,542 The reason behind that is because 1458 01:13:09,554 --> 01:13:10,960 they stopped doing pushbacks. 1459 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,247 We've looked at the official data for 1460 01:13:13,260 --> 01:13:14,960 arrivals and the numbers in the camp, 1461 01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:18,239 and they broadly support what he's saying. 1462 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:21,119 Makes sense that Greece and Israel are very close. 1463 01:13:21,119 --> 01:13:23,247 They've never been closer, defense deals. 1464 01:13:23,273 --> 01:13:26,703 But it's more than that. Both countries sell themselves 1465 01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,175 as a model 1466 01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:31,261 to how to keep unwanted populations out. 1467 01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:35,220 (lively music) 1468 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,960 We just arrived in Delhi 1469 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,199 in India and it is predictably overwhelming. 1470 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,279 And we know already that 1471 01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:47,880 India buys more arms off Israel than anyone else. 1472 01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,451 But actually we've come to discover, 1473 01:13:49,462 --> 01:13:50,880 is the relationship more than that? 1474 01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:57,000 As India overtakes China as the world's most populous country, 1475 01:13:57,359 --> 01:13:59,087 the government is keen to increase 1476 01:13:59,100 --> 01:14:00,840 its high technology manufacturing, 1477 01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:04,079 and this has led to deep ties with Israel. 1478 01:14:06,199 --> 01:14:09,307 We're on our way to meet some farmers in Punjab state, 1479 01:14:09,332 --> 01:14:10,439 not that far from Delhi. 1480 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,119 And the reason we want to do this 1481 01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:14,387 is that we've discovered that they 1482 01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:16,680 have been attacked early this year 1483 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,877 by drones, and there's a connection 1484 01:14:18,889 --> 01:14:21,159 with how Israel treats Palestinians. 1485 01:14:21,159 --> 01:14:24,159 So we want to go and speak to them, understand what happened. 1486 01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:28,359 This was the response of the authorities to Sikh farmers 1487 01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:30,479 peacefully protesting at the removal 1488 01:14:30,490 --> 01:14:32,680 of price protections for their crops. 1489 01:14:33,159 --> 01:14:34,806 Six months later, they're still 1490 01:14:34,819 --> 01:14:36,960 camped out on the motorway in protest. 1491 01:14:37,399 --> 01:14:40,800 Pushpinder Singh remembers how the police used a tactic new 1492 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,880 to India: dropping tear gas from drones. 1493 01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:17,680 This is one of the farmers' leaders. 1494 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,807 He shows me the empty canisters, some of 1495 01:15:19,819 --> 01:15:21,960 which they said had come from the drone. 1496 01:15:29,015 --> 01:15:30,694 Interrupted by the monsoon, 1497 01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,720 we go to their makeshift headquarters. 1498 01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:34,631 That's the drone. 1499 01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:37,520 Dropping tear gas? 1500 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,359 The police drones were supplied by Driishya, 1501 01:15:52,359 --> 01:15:55,313 a company owned by the state of Haryana. 1502 01:15:55,337 --> 01:15:56,494 To find out more 1503 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,520 we met the former chief operating officer of Driishya, 1504 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,760 also a former wing commander in the Indian Air Force. 1505 01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,335 In 2018, Haryana sent a delegation 1506 01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:08,827 to Israel, politicians and police. 1507 01:16:09,119 --> 01:16:10,908 Why did they go there and what were 1508 01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:12,720 they hoping to learn from a country 1509 01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,199 that describes itself as a leader in homeland security? 1510 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,600 Haryana's chief minister led 1511 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:31,319 the delegation, which visited Israel Aerospace Industries, 1512 01:16:31,479 --> 01:16:33,037 where they were briefed about 1513 01:16:33,048 --> 01:16:35,159 innovations in aerospace and defense. 1514 01:16:48,447 --> 01:16:49,960 At the time of the Indian visit, 1515 01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:53,560 Palestinians were peacefully protesting on the Gaza border. 1516 01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,760 It was here the Israeli army pioneered 1517 01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,800 the practice of using drones to drop tear gas on protesters. 1518 01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:03,720 The Israeli army 1519 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,119 also shot and injured over 36,000 people 1520 01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,082 and killed 200. 1521 01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,880 At the Indian farmers protest, 1522 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:15,877 the Driishya drones were initially being used 1523 01:17:15,889 --> 01:17:17,680 for surveillance of the farmers, 1524 01:17:17,895 --> 01:17:19,694 says the wing commander. 1525 01:17:40,342 --> 01:17:43,680 This is far from the only exchange of ideas and weapons 1526 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,452 between India and Israel. 1527 01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,119 I promise to defend you. 1528 01:17:49,119 --> 01:17:51,000 In this Bollywood style song 1529 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,000 Israel sings his allegiance to India. 1530 01:17:54,935 --> 01:17:57,335 Shield you and support you. 1531 01:17:57,359 --> 01:17:59,587 While dancing around the products of 1532 01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,840 Israeli missile manufacturer Rafael. 1533 01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:04,760 I believe in you. 1534 01:18:07,734 --> 01:18:10,279 To find out how this relationship came about 1535 01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:13,279 I'm meeting defense expert Rahul Bedi. 1536 01:18:13,962 --> 01:18:15,814 Hi! - Hi! Lovely to meet you. 1537 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,880 How are you? - He says things changed 1538 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:20,445 when India's previous main weapons supplier, 1539 01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:23,880 the Soviet Union, collapsed in 1991. 1540 01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:26,438 Israel sensed an opportunity. 1541 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,376 India was a very ready and a very hungry customer. 1542 01:18:32,413 --> 01:18:36,454 India is currently the largest purchaser of Israeli weapons, 1543 01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,328 buying nearly 50% of total exports. 1544 01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:41,359 But it's more than a customer. 1545 01:18:41,359 --> 01:18:43,626 Under the Make In India policy, 1546 01:18:43,637 --> 01:18:45,720 the Adani Group and Israeli company 1547 01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,967 Elbit are making a version of the 1548 01:18:47,993 --> 01:18:50,296 Hermes 900 drone in Hyderabad. 1549 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,739 Israel Aerospace Industries has set up 1550 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,007 a joint venture with Bharat Electronics 1551 01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:58,920 to maintain the IAI design medium range surface to air 1552 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,079 missiles used across India's armed forces. 1553 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,323 And India has made its space 1554 01:19:04,335 --> 01:19:06,957 launch capacity available to Israel. 1555 01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,680 With surveillance satellites 1556 01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,600 to surveil their borders 1557 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,880 in Gaza and in the Northern Territories. 1558 01:19:16,135 --> 01:19:18,454 They launched another satellite soon after. 1559 01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,640 It was called RISAT, R, I, S, A, T, 1560 01:19:21,427 --> 01:19:25,255 with the X-ray radar supplied by IAI, 1561 01:19:25,279 --> 01:19:29,100 Israel Aircraft Industries, which helps India 1562 01:19:29,399 --> 01:19:32,239 monitor its line of control with Pakistan. 1563 01:19:40,202 --> 01:19:41,296 (crowd noise) 1564 01:19:41,319 --> 01:19:45,039 After October 7th, there was a huge increase in pro-Israel 1565 01:19:45,064 --> 01:19:49,037 social media posts by right wing Hindu groups like this. 1566 01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:00,640 This street level support enables 1567 01:20:00,650 --> 01:20:02,920 more establishment Hindu nationalists 1568 01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,217 to go even further, especially around 1569 01:20:05,229 --> 01:20:07,907 India's disputed territory of Kashmir. 1570 01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,960 This is a dawn of a new era 1571 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,720 in the great friendship between India and Israel. 1572 01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,199 I think it heralds a flourishing of our partnership 1573 01:20:22,199 --> 01:20:25,708 to bring prosperity and peace for both our peoples. 1574 01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:28,800 At the offices of the independent news site 1575 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,800 The Wire, I'm meeting its founding editor. 1576 01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:35,640 How would you describe the shared values and relationship 1577 01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,840 between Modi, Netanyahu, Israel and India? 1578 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:44,000 The official definition of Israel now is as a... 1579 01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,255 homeland for Jews 1580 01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:49,680 and Jews are the only authentic Israelis. 1581 01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:52,020 Israel is a Jewish state. 1582 01:20:53,152 --> 01:20:55,792 Their counterparts in India envision India as a Hindu state, 1583 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,319 as a Hindu Russia, where Hindus are the only authentic... 1584 01:21:00,319 --> 01:21:01,199 Indians. 1585 01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:04,840 So I think that's very important glue that binds the, 1586 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,463 the two governments at this stage. 1587 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,880 After independence in 1948, 1588 01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,880 India saw itself as a post-colonial leader 1589 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,960 and was one of the first to recognize Palestine. 1590 01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:21,144 But that's been shifting since India has 1591 01:21:21,155 --> 01:21:23,199 been a large customer of Israeli weapons. 1592 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,279 And in 2024, India abstained 1593 01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:29,279 on the motion to end the occupation in Palestine. 1594 01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:30,921 It's really quite appalling the way 1595 01:21:30,934 --> 01:21:32,640 in which the current Indian government 1596 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:34,145 has reversed India's long standing 1597 01:21:34,194 --> 01:21:35,796 support for the people of Palestine, 1598 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,279 going back to before India was an independent country. 1599 01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:39,600 (bright music) 1600 01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:43,279 Far from criticizing Israel for its war on Gaza, 1601 01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:47,359 India's booming defense industry is now exporting explosives, 1602 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,600 missiles and drones to Israel. 1603 01:21:52,774 --> 01:21:53,734 So when we came here, 1604 01:21:53,766 --> 01:21:56,654 we knew that India buys more arms from 1605 01:21:56,694 --> 01:21:58,015 Israel than anyone else in the world. 1606 01:21:58,039 --> 01:22:00,404 But actually what we've discovered being here, 1607 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,560 is it really there's a cultural 1608 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,574 affinity between India and Israel, 1609 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,840 which is kind of about racial supremacy. 1610 01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,920 Both nations admire each other's racism. 1611 01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,207 But before India, 1612 01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:16,640 Israel had an even murkier brush with racial supremacy. 1613 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,373 I've come to South Africa 1614 01:22:18,398 --> 01:22:20,479 to see to what extent Israel helped support 1615 01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:22,560 the apartheid regime here. 1616 01:22:23,631 --> 01:22:26,315 So we're in Cape Town, South Africa, 1617 01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,375 and first, we're at the 1618 01:22:28,399 --> 01:22:30,365 richest, poshest part of the city 1619 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,421 to see this incredible wealth. 1620 01:22:33,230 --> 01:22:35,555 It's no accident that Seapoint remains 1621 01:22:35,587 --> 01:22:38,055 one of the wealthiest areas in South Africa. 1622 01:22:38,079 --> 01:22:41,840 Under apartheid, only white people were able to live here. 1623 01:22:42,104 --> 01:22:44,015 (gentle music) 1624 01:22:47,509 --> 01:22:49,574 Instituted in 1948, 1625 01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,494 the apartheid policy was a form of 1626 01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,920 racial discrimination that saw whites, 1627 01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:55,829 coloreds and blacks living under 1628 01:22:55,841 --> 01:22:58,362 different legal and economic systems. 1629 01:22:59,880 --> 01:23:01,859 Non-white people were forcibly moved 1630 01:23:01,872 --> 01:23:03,920 from the city and put into townships 1631 01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:06,167 where many still live today. 1632 01:23:08,735 --> 01:23:11,951 So just on the way to a township on the outskirts of Cape Town 1633 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,210 where we're going to see the 1634 01:23:13,234 --> 01:23:15,000 reality of what apartheid was like. 1635 01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,395 And we're going to meet up with a woman 1636 01:23:17,408 --> 01:23:19,239 called Henriette, who was campaigning 1637 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,676 against it for years. 1638 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,479 There are townships on either side of this 1639 01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,583 highway established during apartheid, 1640 01:23:27,595 --> 01:23:29,600 to provide labor for the factories 1641 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,070 a bit further down. 1642 01:23:31,460 --> 01:23:32,579 (gentle music) 1643 01:23:34,585 --> 01:23:36,319 This is the outskirts of Langa, 1644 01:23:36,319 --> 01:23:37,951 the black township. 1645 01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,880 Even now, it's dominated 1646 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,073 by informal settlements built by people 1647 01:23:44,085 --> 01:23:46,297 who can't find any other housing. 1648 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,640 It's just so shocking and enraging. 1649 01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,560 On the other side of the highway 1650 01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,239 is Bonteheuwel, a township established for colored people, 1651 01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,551 which included those who were mixed race, 1652 01:24:03,564 --> 01:24:06,052 indigenous and of Asian heritage, 1653 01:24:06,215 --> 01:24:07,528 where I'm meeting Henriette. 1654 01:24:07,552 --> 01:24:08,681 Hello. - Hello. 1655 01:24:08,744 --> 01:24:09,784 (dog barking) 1656 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:11,652 Wow, what a beautiful garden. 1657 01:24:12,913 --> 01:24:14,033 (gentle music) 1658 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,159 I was born in the apartheid system, so for me it was normal. 1659 01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,560 Nie blankes... whites only, Europeans only. 1660 01:24:26,079 --> 01:24:29,079 It was ingrained in you 1661 01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:31,800 that this is not for you. 1662 01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:33,760 These are for white people. 1663 01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:34,800 And something like a train 1664 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,806 you could see the different standards. 1665 01:24:36,832 --> 01:24:38,533 We would sit on hard wooden 1666 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,640 benches in the train, and they would have cushy, 1667 01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:44,239 seats. 1668 01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,760 How was apartheid enforced exactly? 1669 01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,479 The police and the army during the 80s, they felt 1670 01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:51,025 that they had to be present like 1671 01:24:51,037 --> 01:24:52,840 they were stationed at our schools. 1672 01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,640 It was nothing for them to march up and down our corridors. 1673 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:59,438 Or if they weren't stationed there, they 1674 01:24:59,449 --> 01:25:02,119 were doing the rounds on our streets. 1675 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,233 So, they were everywhere. 1676 01:25:04,466 --> 01:25:05,747 (brooding music) 1677 01:25:07,801 --> 01:25:10,362 Apartheid was resisted from the beginning, 1678 01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:11,975 but by the 1980s, 1679 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,658 the African National Congress 1680 01:25:13,682 --> 01:25:16,835 and other groups were organizing mass protests. 1681 01:25:17,368 --> 01:25:18,895 (crowd noise) 1682 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,920 Henriette was one of the activists. 1683 01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:27,600 (atmospheric music) 1684 01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:33,000 This is what's called Freedom Square. 1685 01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:33,880 Yeah. 1686 01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:39,039 We would sit, waiting on news, waiting on who's been arrested, 1687 01:25:39,239 --> 01:25:41,720 waiting on what is the next plan. 1688 01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,399 We had a running battle here with the police, for instance, 1689 01:25:45,399 --> 01:25:46,680 and the police would come there. 1690 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,640 We would throw stones about whatever. 1691 01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:50,551 Then I would quickly run. 1692 01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,712 I would go and grab a grandchild in a pram 1693 01:25:55,737 --> 01:25:58,439 and come back and watch the police 1694 01:25:58,439 --> 01:25:59,840 as if I did nothing. 1695 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,159 Or pretend that you were the mother. 1696 01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:02,880 Yes. Yes. - Right. 1697 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:04,859 Whatever you need to do, right? - Yes. 1698 01:26:06,119 --> 01:26:08,840 Despite these efforts, Henriette was arrested 1699 01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:11,095 14 times by the police, 1700 01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:13,560 who routinely beat political organizers. 1701 01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,760 I had comrades of mine who were tied to beds. 1702 01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:22,039 They would put things up their rectums. 1703 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,079 Males whose genitals 1704 01:26:25,079 --> 01:26:28,328 were banged into filing drawers. 1705 01:26:28,695 --> 01:26:29,975 (brooding music) 1706 01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:32,279 Women being taken by the hair 1707 01:26:32,319 --> 01:26:35,319 thrown from one wall to the other, to the other. 1708 01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:38,648 (crowd noise) 1709 01:26:40,079 --> 01:26:43,079 Internationally, there was a growing movement of boycott, 1710 01:26:43,079 --> 01:26:46,307 divestment and sanctions against apartheid. 1711 01:26:46,338 --> 01:26:47,408 By the 1980s 1712 01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,720 South Africa was economically and culturally isolated. 1713 01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,800 Only a few countries, including the UK 1714 01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:56,800 and US, offered the regime any support. 1715 01:26:57,119 --> 01:26:59,320 To add to those economic sanctions 1716 01:26:59,332 --> 01:27:01,199 wouldn't help negotiations. 1717 01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:03,020 It would only make things worse. 1718 01:27:03,043 --> 01:27:05,123 But South Africa had another secure partner 1719 01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:07,119 throughout this period of isolation. 1720 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:08,702 Israel. 1721 01:27:08,981 --> 01:27:10,021 (crowd noise) 1722 01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,239 I'm meeting an investigator of economic crimes 1723 01:27:15,246 --> 01:27:17,039 and human rights violations. 1724 01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,685 We got a range of of documents here 1725 01:27:19,697 --> 01:27:21,640 that come from different archives 1726 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,020 that tell different parts of the story, I suppose, 1727 01:27:24,045 --> 01:27:26,277 of the South African Israel relationship, 1728 01:27:26,288 --> 01:27:27,918 kind of at the height of apartheid. 1729 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,479 This is from 1976. 1730 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,399 They really need stuff quite desperately. 1731 01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:35,720 So they've purchased, six, 130 millimeter 1732 01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:39,600 ammunition systems from Israel for 2.7 million rand. 1733 01:27:40,039 --> 01:27:41,908 Israel in general was a huge supplier 1734 01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,800 of ammunition to the apartheid state. 1735 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,079 An additional option has been obtained for the purchase 1736 01:27:47,079 --> 01:27:49,873 of 14,000 white phosphorus shells. 1737 01:27:49,898 --> 01:27:51,359 From the mid 1970s 1738 01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:52,890 South Africa was at war, 1739 01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,920 trying to topple the left wing government 1740 01:27:54,935 --> 01:27:57,033 of the newly independent Angola. 1741 01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:00,479 In 1976, 1742 01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:04,159 South African Prime Minister John Vorster visited Israel amid 1743 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:07,159 speculation the countries were working on an arms deal. 1744 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,319 If you look at the amount of weapons being bought, around 1745 01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:15,542 1 billion USD from the 70s into the 80s by the apartheid state, 1746 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:16,800 that's an incredible 1747 01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,667 inflow of money into the Israeli economy just when they need it. 1748 01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,921 And so just from a demand perspective, 1749 01:28:22,934 --> 01:28:24,520 it's an important relationship. 1750 01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:26,336 But then of course, there's the 1751 01:28:26,347 --> 01:28:27,960 secondary benefit to both states, 1752 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,960 which is the kind of co-creation of weapons technology. 1753 01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:33,399 So there's a flow of funds happening, 1754 01:28:33,411 --> 01:28:35,720 but there's also a flow of expertise 1755 01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:36,800 that the apartheid state 1756 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,548 is able to use Israeli tech to build their weapons technology. 1757 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,587 Israel also supplied equipment 1758 01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,760 used to repress the anti-apartheid 1759 01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,854 movement, including water cannons 1760 01:28:46,865 --> 01:28:48,832 made by an Israeli kibbutz. 1761 01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:52,279 But the relationship went deeper than just weapons. 1762 01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,560 This is from Milan to the Chief of General Staff 1763 01:28:55,560 --> 01:28:56,837 for the Israeli Defense Force 1764 01:28:56,862 --> 01:28:58,560 and I think this is the telling line. 1765 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:00,208 "It is comforting to know that 1766 01:29:00,220 --> 01:29:02,079 South Africa does not stand alone 1767 01:29:02,079 --> 01:29:05,079 in facing criticism from the international community. 1768 01:29:05,319 --> 01:29:08,039 Our respective countries will have to withstand this 1769 01:29:08,039 --> 01:29:10,319 in all its many manifestations. 1770 01:29:10,319 --> 01:29:12,560 And we keep up our determination." 1771 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,560 And this is an example. 1772 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:14,907 But you see in other places 1773 01:29:14,918 --> 01:29:16,560 the South Africans and the Israeli 1774 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,548 officials writing to each other with 1775 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,399 that kind of mutual understanding 1776 01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:23,023 of we're under siege, we're under attack, 1777 01:29:23,079 --> 01:29:24,560 no one understands us. 1778 01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:26,635 But you do. 1779 01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:28,760 These two countries also 1780 01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,760 work together on the development of their nuclear weapons. 1781 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,439 South Africa supplied Israel with uranium in the 1960s, 1782 01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:37,621 and they exchange technology. 1783 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,039 Towards the mid to the late 1980s, 1784 01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:42,069 when South Africa have essentially developed, 1785 01:29:42,082 --> 01:29:44,239 nuclear weapons capacity, 1786 01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,091 we know that there are high level 1787 01:29:46,104 --> 01:29:47,720 discussions between the Israelis 1788 01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,396 and the South Africans about 1789 01:29:49,408 --> 01:29:51,520 missile technology and developing 1790 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:54,534 kind of mid to long range missiles 1791 01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,199 that could carry a nuclear load. 1792 01:29:57,359 --> 01:29:59,340 South Africa gave up its nuclear 1793 01:29:59,351 --> 01:30:01,800 weapons along with apartheid in the 1990s. 1794 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,161 But by then the army and security services 1795 01:30:05,172 --> 01:30:07,640 were dependent on Israeli security tech 1796 01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,048 and have remained so in many sectors, 1797 01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:11,720 including with water cannons. 1798 01:30:12,747 --> 01:30:14,576 It's perhaps not a surprise then 1799 01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,600 that it's a post apartheid government 1800 01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:18,715 that's mounting the most serious 1801 01:30:18,726 --> 01:30:21,087 challenge to Israel's war in Gaza. 1802 01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:23,792 In keeping with our obligation as a 1803 01:30:23,804 --> 01:30:26,119 state party to the Genocide Convention, 1804 01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:27,880 our government has approached 1805 01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,855 the International Court of Justice to 1806 01:30:29,868 --> 01:30:32,329 prevent the unfolding genocide in Gaza. 1807 01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:35,720 What we've uncovered 1808 01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:39,600 and detailed is the huge and close links between 1809 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:43,199 Israel and apartheid South Africa for decades. 1810 01:30:43,454 --> 01:30:46,454 And I think it tells us a lot about how Israel was willing 1811 01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:49,493 to use its technology not only to survive, 1812 01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,479 but to support other regimes 1813 01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,680 that agree with its vision of racial supremacy. 1814 01:30:55,051 --> 01:30:56,635 (crowd noise) 1815 01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,000 I've come back to Israel 1816 01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,000 to try to understand where this idea comes from. 1817 01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:07,920 This is one of the regular protests 1818 01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:09,273 calling on the government to 1819 01:31:09,284 --> 01:31:11,426 bring the hostages home from Gaza. 1820 01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:13,414 So hundreds of thousands of people that way, 1821 01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,119 hundreds of thousands people that way, 1822 01:31:15,319 --> 01:31:17,039 a sea of Israeli flags. 1823 01:31:17,039 --> 01:31:20,039 And there's a stage over there where some family 1824 01:31:20,039 --> 01:31:23,119 members of hostages are speaking and demanding 1825 01:31:23,119 --> 01:31:26,326 the government makes a deal with Hamas to free the hostages. 1826 01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,777 I want to hear how people are thinking about the war on Gaza. 1827 01:31:30,158 --> 01:31:33,362 At the beginning, I was like, I don't care from the other side. 1828 01:31:33,527 --> 01:31:36,943 - Yeah. - They brought it on themselves. 1829 01:31:36,984 --> 01:31:37,895 Yes. 1830 01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,757 But now, when we know... 1831 01:31:39,770 --> 01:31:42,541 when we understand, we want the killing to stop. 1832 01:31:42,935 --> 01:31:46,895 And your solution to that is to, is it to end the war 1833 01:31:46,942 --> 01:31:48,350 or is it to make a deal? - To end the war? 1834 01:31:48,376 --> 01:31:50,376 To make a deal, to end the war. 1835 01:31:50,788 --> 01:31:52,868 Bring all of them back home. 1836 01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,173 Save lives... 1837 01:31:55,686 --> 01:31:58,087 of... of them, 1838 01:31:58,119 --> 01:32:01,800 of our soldiers... the people on the other side. 1839 01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:04,039 You mean Palestinians? 1840 01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:06,042 They also have innocent people. 1841 01:32:07,319 --> 01:32:11,565 A lot of people in Israel, even on the left, centre left, 1842 01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:15,166 actually don't give a damn about Palestinian life in Gaza, 1843 01:32:15,189 --> 01:32:16,368 in the West Bank. 1844 01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,439 And this is... actually this is part of the problem 1845 01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,800 because people here are fighting for democracy, 1846 01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:23,880 but actually they're fighting for democracy for the Jew, 1847 01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:25,323 for the Israeli, 1848 01:32:25,347 --> 01:32:28,122 not even for the Palestinians who live in Israel. 1849 01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:30,916 To find out why this is, 1850 01:32:31,074 --> 01:32:33,606 I'm meeting outspoken journalist Gideon Levy. 1851 01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:37,680 He puts it down to what he calls the Israeli mindset. 1852 01:32:38,039 --> 01:32:41,786 Most of the Israelis, including the secular ones, 1853 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,880 if you scratch under the skin, you will see 1854 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,500 they truly believe that we are the chosen people. 1855 01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:52,722 And being the chosen people means that we have privileges. 1856 01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,039 It means that nobody can tell us what to do. 1857 01:32:56,039 --> 01:32:58,130 And it's becoming clear that Israel 1858 01:32:58,141 --> 01:33:00,359 sees what happened on October the 7th 1859 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,511 as justification not only to 1860 01:33:02,524 --> 01:33:04,880 destroy Gaza, but to resettle it. 1861 01:33:05,079 --> 01:33:07,920 The only way to prevent that from happening again 1862 01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:12,497 is to return the entire strip to Jewish sovereignty, 1863 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:14,079 to be an integral part of the land 1864 01:33:14,087 --> 01:33:15,412 which it was always meant to be. 1865 01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:16,279 Right. 1866 01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:18,230 That's the only real way to bring peace. 1867 01:33:19,079 --> 01:33:20,774 No one's really sanctioning Israel 1868 01:33:20,786 --> 01:33:22,199 for arms or really anything. 1869 01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:23,239 How does it get away with it? 1870 01:33:23,239 --> 01:33:27,520 Israel developed a very sophisticated strategy, 1871 01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:30,792 namely, any criticism about Israel is anti-semitism. 1872 01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,920 I don't think there is one state in the world 1873 01:33:34,199 --> 01:33:37,921 who has the same freedom to do whatever it wants 1874 01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:40,760 without legal limits, 1875 01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:44,960 without moral limits, without any international limits. 1876 01:33:45,359 --> 01:33:47,109 I don't think there is one state in 1877 01:33:47,135 --> 01:33:51,119 the world that not only ignores endless 1878 01:33:51,119 --> 01:33:53,613 resolutions of the international community, 1879 01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,636 but is also the darling of the West. 1880 01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:01,680 On this global journey 1881 01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,228 one of the things that really struck me is how ubiquitous 1882 01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,033 Israeli surveillance tech is, border tech, 1883 01:34:09,404 --> 01:34:11,701 but not just equipment actually, its ideology. 1884 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,279 Because in some ways, what... 1885 01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:16,864 I'm investigating is not just the Israeli arms industry, 1886 01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:19,039 which is huge and growing, 1887 01:34:19,319 --> 01:34:24,119 it's also an idea, this idea that Israel is selling a model, 1888 01:34:24,119 --> 01:34:27,159 a way to... separate 1889 01:34:27,159 --> 01:34:29,997 and control unwanted populations; 1890 01:34:30,199 --> 01:34:33,840 minorities, so it's Muslims or others. 1891 01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,399 So much of the world increasingly 1892 01:34:36,436 --> 01:34:38,769 is dealing with the climate crisis, 1893 01:34:39,079 --> 01:34:42,079 growing numbers of refugees, well over 100 million. 1894 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,851 And as much of the world moves to the right and the far right, 1895 01:34:46,287 --> 01:34:49,207 they see this country where I am now, as that model. 1896 01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:51,239 And in fact, despite what Israel's doing 1897 01:34:51,279 --> 01:34:52,760 right here in Gaza, 1898 01:34:53,266 --> 01:34:55,488 they see that in fact, as a reason 1899 01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,338 to copy Israel even more, 1900 01:34:57,707 --> 01:34:59,876 because Israel is already selling and 1901 01:34:59,900 --> 01:35:02,792 promoting and marketing the repressive tech 1902 01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:04,439 and weapons that they're using 1903 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,456 in the mass slaughter in Gaza behind me. 1904 01:35:08,319 --> 01:35:09,872 (tense music) 139586

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