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Not only have we captured Saddam
Hussein, we have also captured or killed
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all of his most trusted lieutenants.
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And I want to introduce two men who have
been key to this success.
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Major General Earl Watson of the United
States Marines and General Mohammed
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Jabra of the Iraqi Army. As of today...
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These two outstanding generals are
assigned to lead the joint task force
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with capturing all remaining high -value
targets.
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Ladies and gentlemen, General Watson and
General Jabra.
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General Jabra, General Jabra.
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Could you give us the Iraqi point of
view on relations with the U .S.
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I speak for all Iraqi people when I say
that our trust in your military has
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grown as our nation grows more secure.
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On a personal level, I've had many late
-night cups of coffee with General
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Watson, and I found it to be quite
agreeable, though perhaps a little
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with American football.
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General Watson.
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General, are you confident you're the
right man to be working so closely with
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General Jabra and the other Iraqis,
given your hostile attitude toward their
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religion?
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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General, I was at the Alexandria Baptist
Church yesterday when you gave your
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guest sermon.
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You described Islam as a second -rate
religion and said we're doing battle
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the devil.
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What I said in church and what I believe
is simply that the United
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States is engaged in a global war
against evil.
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General Watson, are you admitting to
this accusation?
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This media frenzy over General Watson
has reached from Norway to Zanzibar.
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Zanzibar, folks.
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Belief. It doesn't do us any good
anywhere.
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International community is already
suspicious of our motives.
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I agree the general may have chosen his
words poorly.
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However, what he said is not entirely
false.
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We are at war with a decidedly evil
people. General Watson sounded like he
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equating evil with Islam.
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Well, that's not what he said, but
that's how some of our allies and
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going to interpret it. Well, if we're
going to reassure them that the general
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not a fanatic, we need to know what else
he said.
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Did he really call Islam a second -rate
religion?
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Well, the last I checked, church sermons
were protected by the constitutional
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provisions for freedom of speech and
freedom of religion.
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Military personnel are not as free as
other Americans, Commander.
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The DOD, IG, and the Marine Corps have
requested Jag investigate the General's
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remarks. We'll get right on it, sir. I'm
not eager to see General Watson get
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burned. He's a courageous officer, and
he's proved vital in our
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counterinsurgency efforts.
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Mr. Secretary, in order for us to
reassure our allies, or anyone
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else for that matter, our investigation
needs to be independent of any undue
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pressure. Of course, A .J.
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And I'd like to say that I'm glad the
general will be investigated by someone
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Muslim heritage.
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I think that'll enhance our credibility.
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Sir, I don't feel comfortable having my
cultural background factor in my
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assignments. Well, Colonel, I've come to
learn that religion is a factor in
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everything.
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Good luck.
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And do me one little favor.
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Don't talk to the press.
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When you're on patrol in Baghdad or
manning a rocky checkpoint, what do you
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think would be the most important phrase
to know?
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Yes, Captain.
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Stop or I will shoot.
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Yes, Admiral.
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Actually, that means stop or I will
release the mice.
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What you want is... Oh,
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people, let's try and get that right.
But I think there's another phrase when
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Iraq you would find to be very
important.
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And that is... We are here to help you.
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Very good, General.
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I'll quit while I'm ahead. Let us thank
Amir Sattar for her expert assistance.
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I want you to have everything in your
notebooks fully digested by 0800
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Dismissed.
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Aye, sir.
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Thank you, Amira.
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You're welcome, General.
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General. Sir.
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Lieutenant Colonel McKenzie, I'm
Commander Rapp over at Headquarters Jag.
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Colonel. Hello, sir. Commander.
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I was told to expect a visit. Please,
have a seat. Thank you, sir.
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What would you like to know?
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Well, sir, why don't we start with what
you said at the church?
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According to Jill Waddington, the CNN
reporter, you called Islam a second
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religion. I don't recall my exact words.
I suspect Mrs. Waddington exaggerated.
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But I probably did say something like
that, yes.
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You're offended.
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We're listening.
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Commander, I'm aware that in this
morally relativistic age, I am supposed
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declare every religion equal, and
Christianity is no better than
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But I believe that any religion that
doesn't accept Jesus Christ as our
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is not following the true path. If that
makes me insensitive, then so be it.
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Well, sir, you're certainly honest, but
you're essentially dividing the world
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into Christians and infidels. That's not
a word I would use, Colonel. Sir, did
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you, as the reporter claims, state that
this country is presently doing battle
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with the devil?
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Commander, whether you believe the devil
is real or just a metaphor, wouldn't
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you agree that an evil force was behind
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Well, that would be difficult to deny,
General.
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Sir, in your guest sermon, did you
equate Islam with evil?
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No, but there are certain aspects of
Islam that trouble me.
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The religion has a warrior streak that
is too easily appropriated as a
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justification for holy war and
terrorism.
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In all fairness, sir, Islam explicitly
condemns terrorism. And Christianity has
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been misused to justify everything from
enslaving Africans to massacring
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American Indians.
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That's true, Colonel, and I condemn that
as well. But Ms. Waddington only
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mentioned part of my sermon.
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What was the other part, sir?
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that all the world's peoples are our
brothers and sisters, and it is our
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Christian duty to protect them from
tyranny and violence.
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But don't trust my recollection of the
sermon, Commander. Ask the people who
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heard me speak.
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General Watson was recommended to me by
a minister in Norfolk. The general gave
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a guest sermon there last year. Were you
happy with the guest sermon the general
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gave this past Sunday?
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I don't see what all the fuss is about.
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His message was, everybody is your
neighbor.
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And you have to love thy neighbor as
thyself.
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I've been the secretary here since 1972,
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having missed a single Sunday service
since the start. Then you heard General
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Watson's sermon.
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You won't tell Reverend Owens everything
I said, will you? Not if you don't want
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me to. To be honest, I felt kind of
uncomfortable.
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General Watson came down pretty hard on
Islam.
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What exactly did he say?
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He said Muslims believe it's their
religious duty to conquer the infidels.
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said most Muslims are good, peaceful
people and very religiously observant.
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he never indicated that Islam was
somehow evil?
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Absolutely not.
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He said all religions are second to
Christianity, but we should respect
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He never exactly called Islam evil, but
he said according to opinion polls, most
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Muslims support the terrorists.
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He emphasized most Muslims hate the
terrorists.
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He even mentioned some opinion polls to
that effect.
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He went on like that for over an hour.
Then he was going to do a slideshow.
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Thankfully, the projector broke down.
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Unfortunately, the projector broke down,
but I could have listened to General
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Watson forever.
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He was inspiring.
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A true man of God.
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My father was a Navy chaplain since
before I was born.
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Thank you.
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I never heard him once say a single
negative word about another religion.
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no matter how we handle this, we'll
offend a lot of people.
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You okay?
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Yeah, I'm fine, except I could use some
help on this case. I'd be glad to. Just
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let me know if I get overly
sanctimonious.
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You, Sturgis?
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Oh, boy.
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What? I was hoping this would go away.
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I'm being investigated.
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For what?
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We have another cultural insensitivity
case. Commander Turner stands accused of
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anti -Korean bias.
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That surprises me, sir. Last fall,
Commander and Lieutenant Yee were
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interrogate some North Korean
submariners. Lieutenant Yee claims the
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attitudes caused the Navy to lose
valuable intel.
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I want you to investigate.
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I've never heard the commander make any
anti -Korean or anti -Asian remarks,
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sir. Well, if these allegations prove
true, I want them documented. But if
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they're false, I want Turner's record
cleared. Understood?
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Yes, sir.
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What?
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I was in the same position a year ago,
sir. I had Commander Turner's
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professional future in my hands.
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Well, fortunately, he survived that
experience.
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Barely, sir.
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Well, he'll do fine. That'll be all.
Yes, sir.
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So what do you got on General Watson?
We've talked to seven people who heard
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guest sermon last Sunday, sir. And each
one has a different story. But taken
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together, they indicate General Watson
publicly denigrated Islam. The evidence
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is highly ambiguous, sir. Do you two
ever get tired of disagreeing? Yes, sir.
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Sir, if the colonel is correct, General
Watson is guilty of conduct unbecoming.
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Not only that, his public statements may
be undermining our war on terrorism.
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Sir, I think we're being roped into a
politically correct witch hunt. Some
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overly ambitious TV reporter makes
exaggerated claims. Suddenly we're all
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jumping through hoops. Well, Commander,
you're going to need a 12 -foot ladder
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for this one. I taped this about 10
minutes ago.
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some stunning new developments in the
story.
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Two and a half years ago, CNN shot
footage of a church service at a Marine
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base in Virginia.
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That footage never aired at the time.
But when the current controversy
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our new staff was able to locate the
tape. The speaker you're about to see is
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Marine General Earl Watson.
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Our nation is under attack from men who
believe, as the Koran says, that you
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must fight the unbeliever wherever you
find them.
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We are locked in a worldwide struggle.
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And our enemy thinks that we are soft.
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Well, they are about to find out that we
are a mighty Christian army and we will
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win this holy war.
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General Watson has been awarded two
silver stars and a purple heart.
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He served his country with distinction
for 25 years.
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He knew the rules, sir. As a high
-ranking officer, you've got to watch
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tongue.
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I'll bet you enjoy that part of the job,
don't you, A .J.? At any rate, a court
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of inquiry has been convened to examine
General Watson's conduct.
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I think that's a wise decision, sir.
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Yes, and I want to keep it closed to the
press.
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Minister, you are aware that a court of
inquiry can recommend anything from a
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complete exoneration to a court
-martial.
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I'd tell you the result that I'm hoping
for, but I guess to avoid impropriety,
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I'd better hold my tongue.
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Bet you enjoy that part of the job,
don't you, sir?
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Oh, yeah.
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I realize we can't stop people from
being prejudiced, but there's no excuse
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shooting off your mouth and alienating
half the world. So when it comes to
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prejudice, don't ask, don't tell.
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Colonel McKenzie, Jill Waddington, DNN.
We've already met. Who authorized you to
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be in the building?
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I have a meeting with the Public Affairs
Office.
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Why is this inquiry being held in
private? With all due respect, Miss
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Waddington, we have nothing to say.
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Is Jack attempting to whitewash General
Watson's actions?
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The PAO's office is upstairs.
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Colonel, because your general acted
inappropriately, is that a reason to be
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angry with the press?
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How did she get onto General Watson in
the first place?
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She said she was driving past the church
and she just happened to see General
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Watson's name on the message board out
front.
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That sounds convenient.
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You think she had a source?
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I'll have to peen her phone records.
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The general apparently used slides
during his talks. We should get a hold
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those, too.
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I feel a little hypocritical.
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I'm being investigated for prejudice,
and here I am going PC on the General.
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Your case is totally different than
General Watson's. Both of us could have
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careers destroyed.
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Sturgis, there's no way you're guilty.
You're far too obsessively rational to
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prejudiced against anyone.
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Thanks, I think.
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Besides, I'm sure Lieutenant Roberts
will determine there's nothing to it.
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What is investigating?
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I thought you knew.
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Our nation is under attack.
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from men who believe, as the Koran says,
that they must fight the unbeliever
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wherever they find them.
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Members of the court, this quote is
often used to prove that Islam is a
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religion.
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It's taken totally out of context. It
actually refers to a war 1 ,500 years
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between a small Muslim community and the
local tribesmen who were torturing and
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killing them. I will grant the general
may have misinterpreted the Koran.
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However, that has little to do with the
issue at this court of inquiry.
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The general in uniform and in public has
been feeding false stereotypes about
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Islam. Let's watch the rest of it,
Colonel.
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We are engaged in a worldwide struggle.
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And our enemy thinks that we are soft.
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But they are about to find out that we
are a mighty Christian army and we will
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win this holy war.
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The terrorists don't represent Islam any
more than the Ku Klux Klan represents
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Christianity. The general refers to a
mighty Christian army, a holy war.
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Our president has been very explicit
that this is not a religious war. Our
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president also used the word crusade,
which has a definite religious subtext.
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Religion is a part of life. Our leaders
need to feel they can speak without
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censoring their every word. This kind of
loose talk endangers our national
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security. There is no evidence that a
few inappropriate words will have any
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impact whatsoever.
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It's bad enough that some radical
Islamists are talking holy war. We don't
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our own generals following suit.
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Now, the Arab street is watching this. A
few more tapes like this, and Osama
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won't need to make his videos anymore.
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Gentlemen, I gave this sermon five days
after 9 -11.
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We were pulling bodies from the rubble.
Our nation was under attack. I wasn't
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paying attention to the niceties of
speech.
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Did you clear your comments with public
affairs in advance?
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Public affairs had a lot on its plate at
the time.
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Were you aware the media would be at
this church service?
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No, I flew in from Tampa the night
before.
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But when you arrived at the chapel and
saw the TV news crews, why didn't you
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moderate your comments?
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I believe the general has answered their
question, sir. 9 -11 was not a time for
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moderation. Emotions were running high.
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Yes, it was a crisis situation.
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Exactly when we need our military
leaders at their best.
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Sir,
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we need that press release this
afternoon.
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Apple letters to the editor saying that
General Watson deserves a Medal of
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Honor. The other half say he should be
hung upside down by his coat.
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Well, we are a divided country, sir.
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Fortunately, we Americans have one thing
in common.
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Bad traffic?
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Baseball. Actually, sir, I'm not much of
a fan.
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I've fired people for less coats.
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Sir, I told Secnav we'd fax it to him by
1500.
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Very well.
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You take shorthand, right?
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Yes, sir. I took a course last summer.
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I must say I found it much more
enlightening than my Psychology 101
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Okay.
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The formal inquiry into General Earl
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Watson's conduct is expected to be
completed by the end of this week.
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In the meantime, may I suggest that we
set aside all our religious differences
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and instead concentrate our efforts on
bringing a...
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Major League Baseball came back to the
fine city of Washington, D .C.
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I don't think that will fly, sir.
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Why don't I work on a first draft and
then bring it in to you, sir?
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Thanks, Coates.
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You're welcome, sir.
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Tell me something, Arm. Were you
offended by the General's comments about
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A lot of things offend me, Mac. It's
what gets me going in the morning.
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Seriously. Look, do I agree with all of
General Watson's views? No.
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However... The general has spent his
life protecting our freedoms. Now we're
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trying to take away his right to freedom
of religion and freedom of speech.
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Colonel? Now, doesn't that offend you?
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What is it?
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Jill Waddington's cell phone records.
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Prior to visiting Alexandria Baptist
Church, she spoke on the phone twice
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Marine corporal.
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Sorry.
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This is for you, Lieutenant.
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I understand you're the point man on the
Lieutenant Yee investigation.
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It's not something I requested, sir.
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I put together all my papers for you on
the matter.
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You bruised them at your leisure.
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Thank you, sir.
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Don't you worry about it, Lieutenant.
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I'm sure you'll do a fine job.
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Ma 'am, is there any way to keep my
identity a secret?
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What are you concerned about, Corporal
Homo?
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No one likes a whistleblower, ma 'am.
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That's why I asked Miss Waddington not
to tell anyone about me. And how did you
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meet Miss Waddington?
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I met her at Parris Island.
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She was doing a story on boot camp.
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So a couple weeks ago, when I heard that
General Watson was getting a high
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-profile assignment from CENTCOM, I
decided to call her. And why was that,
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Corporal?
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Ma 'am, did you know that speech they're
showing on TV from after 9 -11?
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Well, I was there.
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And it upset you?
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Yes, ma 'am. I'm a Muslim.
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What were you doing at a church service,
Corporal? It was not a church service,
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ma 'am.
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It was an interfaith service, ma 'am.
That's how it was advertised in the
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command plan of the day. As a time for
all Marines to come together, no matter
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what their religion, and pray together.
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And that's why you went there?
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Ma 'am, when 9 -11 happened, a lot of
off -colored comments got thrown around.
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Rag had this, and Towel had that.
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I thought this service would be a chance
to worship with my fellow Marines and
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feel solidarity.
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Is that the way it worked out, Corporal
Humlode?
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No, ma 'am. When General Watson started
trash -talking Islam, it seemed like my
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country was turning against me.
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That must have been distressing.
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Ma 'am, I'm getting out of the Marine
Corps next month.
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Now, I don't blame my decision on
General Watson, but his speech sure
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make me want to re -enlist.
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Corporal, were you the only non
-Christian at the service?
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There were at least two other Muslims
and two Jews that I knew of, ma 'am, and
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they were all very upset also.
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Does counsel for the party have any
questions?
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Yes, I do.
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Corporal Hammoud, did you ever hear
General Watson say anything questionable
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other than that one time?
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No, sir, but I didn't have much contact
with him. So then would you agree that
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there are many Muslims serving in the
Marine Corps who are happy?
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I do know several Muslims who are
relatively content, yes, sir.
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So then there is no anti -Muslim
sentiment that pervades the Marine
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I'd say when it comes to anti -Muslim
prejudice, the Marine Corps is about the
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same as the rest of society, sir.
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But our leaders shouldn't be out there
fanning the flames, sir.
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When 9 -11 happened, we were all in a
state of shock.
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To some extent, that excuses General
Watson's actions.
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However... The General disobeyed
military regulations by delivering a
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potentially inflammatory speech in front
of the press, in uniform, without
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getting it cleared beforehand.
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Furthermore, there is some evidence that
he has continued a pattern of
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questionable remarks since then.
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General Watson, your rhetoric has
damaged our nation's relations with our
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allies. Your outspoken views disrupted
good order and discipline within the
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Marine Corps.
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This court of inquiry recommends that
you be charged with dereliction of duty
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and conduct unbecoming an officer, and
that these charges be disposed of at
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general court -martial.
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All the major American networks in Al
Jazeera will be covering the court
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-martial. By the time this is over, sir,
General Watson's controversial
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statements about Islam will be seen by
hundreds of millions of people. Why
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we just accept the fact that some of our
leaders have strong opinions and that's
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what makes them great leaders? Great
leaders don't actively promote the clash
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civilizations. Mac, that was the media's
doing.
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General Watson merely stated his belief
that God is not neutral in the struggle
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between freedom and terrorism. No, I
think God would prefer it if people
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throw his name around quite so much.
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Good morning, everybody.
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Mr. Secretary.
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As you were.
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I just dropped by to thank the Admiral
for keeping the investigation of General
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Watson so quiet.
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Sir, there is no way... Just kidding.
Just kidding, A .J. At this point, we'll
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just let the chips fall where they may.
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Let's show our allies and our enemies
American military jurisprudence at its
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finest. Yes, sir.
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Colonel McKenzie, who are you planning
to have testify?
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Actually, Mr.
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Secretary, I was thinking of calling
you.
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General Watson is charged with speeding
up the flow of intel to all field units
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that are tracking top -ranked
terrorists.
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Sir, have the General's comments about
Islam affected his ability to fulfill
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mission? Now that they've been
publicized, they could have a negative
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yes. In what way?
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Objection calls for speculation.
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It's well within the witness's field of
expertise.
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Overruled.
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The general allegedly said that we're
engaged in a war against Islam. That
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make some Iraqis less likely to
cooperate with our military.
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Mr. Secretary, could this endanger the
safety of our troops in the field?
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Objection, Your Honor. Again, overruled.
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In general, when we don't have
cooperation, the safety of our troops
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issue. Sir, have general statements
given ammunition to Islamic extremists
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their efforts to gain new recruits? They
could have, yes.
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And now the general statements affected
Muslims in the United States military.
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I can't imagine they're too happy about
it.
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They didn't sign up to be in a Christian
army. They signed up to be American
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servicemen and women.
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Thank you, Mr. Secretary.
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You're welcome.
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Aside from Marine Corporal Hamoud, have
any other Muslim servicemen ever
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complained about General Watson?
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According to headquarters Marine Corps,
there have been no other complaints.
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Have the general's words had any clear
and direct impact on the war on
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terrorism? There's been no direct impact
that I could quantify.
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Have the general statements inflamed any
moderate Muslims and caused them to
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pick up the bloody sword of jihad?
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Not to my knowledge, Commander.
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How has the general performed in his
mission to capture Saddam Hussein and
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Baathist loyalists, sir?
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Admirably. He was instrumental in the
capture of over 45 of the targets in the
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famous deck of cards.
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Do you feel, Mr. Secretary, removing
General Watson from his assignment would
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negatively impact the war on terrorism?
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You could definitely make that argument.
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You have calls from the Anti -Defamation
League, the Council for Islamic
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Relations, the American Association of
Churches.
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Coach, in the 1930s, do you know who the
most famous Jew was?
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Albert Einstein, sir. More famous than
Einstein.
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Sigmund Freud.
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More famous than Freud.
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I give up, sir.
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Hank Greenberg.
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Hank Greenberg, sir? A .K .A.
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Hammerin' Hank.
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Hall of Fame first baseman, left
fielder, led the Detroit Tigers to four
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Series.
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Figures this would be about baseball,
sir. Hank Greenberg did more to combat
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anti -Semitism in the 30s than any other
man.
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When you're rooting for a Jewish guy to
hit one over the fence, it makes it
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harder to hate Jews.
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Don't you know what this world needs?
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Stockings that don't run, sir. A Muslim
who can hit 60 home runs.
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But we have had famous Muslim athletes,
sir.
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Muhammad Ali, Kareem Abdul -Jabbar.
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Oh, I know, I know, but it's not
baseball.
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Petty officer, may I ask you for a
minute? Is something wrong, ma 'am? In
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office.
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Petty officer, we have a question.
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Is Meredith's marriage to the Admiral on
or off?
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Sir, I don't think I'm at liberty. We
need to know for sure, Jennifer,
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one of us is going to embarrass
ourselves by asking.
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Incurring the Admiral's wrath, which we
don't want. I hear that.
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Sir. We have to know if the wedding is
on so that we can all make plans.
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Sir, the Admiral has never told me
anything directly.
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You know something.
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Yes, sir, I do.
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And those are two words the Admiral
won't be saying.
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Americans, for some reason, can't seem
to tell the difference between real
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and the terrorist perversion of Islam.
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When I saw the General's sermon on
television, I was disturbed.
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Why is that, General Jabra? I've always
admired General Watson.
469
00:27:14,890 --> 00:27:16,990
I've fought beside him, I've trusted him
with my life.
470
00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:20,590
Now I learn that he despises my
religion.
471
00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:26,710
My feeling was, in a sense, he despises
me. Did your fellow Iraqi military and
472
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:28,750
police officers have similar reactions?
473
00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:32,560
Some of them heard the general. It
didn't really bother them. They said it
474
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,560
just words.
475
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,580
How did the other Iraqi officers react?
476
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,680
Many Iraqis, including military
officers, are saying, you see what these
477
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,680
Americans think of us?
478
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,000
No wonder the reconstruction is going so
slowly that they don't really give a
479
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,200
damn. Thank you.
480
00:27:48,380 --> 00:27:49,380
You're a witness.
481
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,620
General, are the Iraqi people grateful
that Saddam Hussein and his cohorts are
482
00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:56,740
gone? No question.
483
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,360
Are they aware of General Watson's role
in that, sir? They know that the general
484
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:03,920
has been effective in bringing torturers
and murderers to justice.
485
00:28:04,340 --> 00:28:08,320
Well, do you feel the Iraqi people, in
the light of everything General Watson
486
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,840
has done, could forgive his comments?
487
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:12,020
I can only speak for myself, Commander.
488
00:28:12,420 --> 00:28:13,420
Oh, please do, sir.
489
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:18,600
When I saw the general's comments on
television, the ones that have been
490
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,700
verified, he made them right after 9
-11.
491
00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:27,120
For that reason, I am willing, as you
would say, Cut him some slack.
492
00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:31,800
Also... Also what?
493
00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:35,180
I do not wish to offend.
494
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:41,460
However, I sometimes personally feel as
though Christianity is a very odd
495
00:28:41,460 --> 00:28:42,460
religion.
496
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,640
You have a father, a son, a Holy Ghost.
What is this?
497
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,400
One God, three Gods, what?
498
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,380
So, if I find your religion a little
bizarre...
499
00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:58,130
I can't get too angry with you for
finding mine equally strange.
500
00:29:00,610 --> 00:29:03,010
Today's witnesses were a mixed bag for
the prosecution.
501
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:07,210
In fact, some foreign observers question
whether the prosecution is actually
502
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:10,610
trying to win this case, since it could
prove embarrassing for the government.
503
00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:13,670
Thank you, Jill. Well, that we agree on.
504
00:29:13,970 --> 00:29:15,870
Listen, I need your witness list for
tomorrow.
505
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:17,130
Still working on it.
506
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:21,680
Mac, you know... Skip it, huh? I'm not
interested in the deal. Neither am I. In
507
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,440
fact, I think you should have the
charges dropped.
508
00:29:23,740 --> 00:29:24,599
Dream on.
509
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,380
All you have are statements the general
made right after 9 -11.
510
00:29:27,660 --> 00:29:30,860
And the ones he made at the Alexandria
Baptist Church less than one month ago.
511
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,680
There's no objective record of his
statements, Mac. You call witnesses to
512
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,060
testify that he attacked Islam and the
church. I'll call witnesses who remember
513
00:29:38,060 --> 00:29:39,060
the exact opposite.
514
00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:44,320
I believe Commander Turner is racially
biased against Koreans.
515
00:29:44,940 --> 00:29:47,580
And you believe that this bias
restricted your ability to gather intel?
516
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:48,719
It did, Lieutenant.
517
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,720
In what way?
518
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,980
A North Korean submarine crew was
rescued by one of our attack subs.
519
00:29:53,460 --> 00:29:57,560
Commander Turner allowed a sailor to
antagonize a North Korean skipper, who
520
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,560
became mentally agitated.
521
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160
Then Commander Turner supported him
being tied up.
522
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,440
That shut him down completely, rendering
him useless as an intelligent source.
523
00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:10,240
I'm sorry, Lieutenant. I don't
understand how racial bias comes into
524
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,680
Commander Turner made statements
which...
525
00:30:13,399 --> 00:30:15,160
suggested he had little respect for
Koreans.
526
00:30:15,620 --> 00:30:19,280
I believe this attitude motivated his
treatment of the North Korean skipper.
527
00:30:20,900 --> 00:30:25,160
It says here in your file that when you
were a child, a black man robbed and
528
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,060
shot your father in this convenience
store.
529
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,260
Yes. Did that affect your opinion of
Commander Turner?
530
00:30:31,540 --> 00:30:33,520
Commander Turner didn't shoot my father,
Lieutenant.
531
00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:37,220
No, but I spoke with your father
yesterday about the man who did shoot
532
00:30:37,220 --> 00:30:38,920
he referred to the assailant as a
nigger.
533
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,100
Have you ever used that word,
Lieutenant?
534
00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:45,600
No. How do you feel about your father
using that word? I do not approve,
535
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Lieutenant. But you understand why he
speaks that way?
536
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,160
Yes. Did what happened make you angry,
Lieutenant?
537
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:56,440
At times.
538
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:57,600
As angry as your father?
539
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:03,460
Lieutenant, you have had six months to
think about your accusations.
540
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,980
Can you honestly tell me that you
haven't at least once during that time
541
00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:09,200
questioned your motives?
542
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,420
Sturgis, we need to establish a
continuing pattern of anti -Islamic
543
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:21,820
That would be good.
544
00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:23,840
Maybe we should call witnesses from the
church in Alexandria.
545
00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,700
We need some kind of physical evidence
to back them up.
546
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,380
Anybody can claim someone else made
prejudiced remarks.
547
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,380
Not much weight that should really
carry.
548
00:31:32,540 --> 00:31:34,500
I understand Lieutenant Yee is topside.
549
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:36,060
I'm sure it's going to be all right.
550
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Racial issues are so subjective.
551
00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:40,440
How do you know for sure I'm not anti
-Korean?
552
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,840
How do I know?
553
00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:45,220
Well, for one thing, you don't have a
continuing pattern of anti -Korean
554
00:31:45,220 --> 00:31:46,220
remarks.
555
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:49,110
What is on your computer?
556
00:31:50,570 --> 00:31:53,290
These are the slides the General
couldn't show in Alexandria because the
557
00:31:53,290 --> 00:31:54,310
projector broke down.
558
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:56,430
I'm not sure where this is.
559
00:31:56,810 --> 00:32:00,070
Maybe Baghdad? Maybe he showed these at
one of the other churches he spoke at
560
00:32:00,070 --> 00:32:01,730
recently. Anything we can use?
561
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:03,930
Depends on the commentary he gave when
he ran the slides.
562
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:11,070
These are the same slides General Watson
showed at my church in Baltimore five
563
00:32:11,070 --> 00:32:14,070
months ago. For the record, Reverend
Haynes, what does this slide show?
564
00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:16,090
Our Lord Jesus Christ.
565
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:18,650
And this next slide shows?
566
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:20,350
The devil.
567
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:22,070
And how about this one?
568
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:26,710
It's a map of the world with the Muslim
countries in red.
569
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:29,290
Why did General Watson put this slide
right after the devil?
570
00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:30,910
Objection calls for an opinion.
571
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:32,310
I'll allow it for now.
572
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:33,490
Overruled.
573
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:38,830
He was making a point that in these
Muslim countries, the devil is fighting
574
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:39,830
power.
575
00:32:40,270 --> 00:32:43,250
And when he made this point, was the
general wearing a Marine Corps uniform?
576
00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:44,950
Yes, he was.
577
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,380
Did the general explain the significance
of this light?
578
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,900
It is a photograph that the general took
of Baghdad on fire.
579
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Why did he say he included this one?
580
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:03,940
When I invited the general to speak at
my church, I wasn't aware
581
00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:05,260
what his views were.
582
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,240
What did he say?
583
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,320
That if you look closely enough in the
smoke, you can see the devil.
584
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,420
Exactly where would that be, Reverend
Haynes?
585
00:33:21,580 --> 00:33:23,000
I really don't know, Commander.
586
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,160
Do you have a moment, sir? Come on in,
Lieutenant.
587
00:33:38,780 --> 00:33:39,900
Heard you had a good day in court.
588
00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:41,340
Sometimes you get lucky.
589
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,680
I have some information, sir.
590
00:33:44,420 --> 00:33:48,120
Just been informed that Lieutenant Yee
has decided to drop all charges against
591
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,120
you.
592
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:54,250
What did you say to him, Lieutenant?
593
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:55,830
Oh, nothing special.
594
00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:59,370
Actually, I got him to think a little
bit more about what he was saying, sir.
595
00:34:00,130 --> 00:34:01,650
Also, I threatened to punch his lights
out.
596
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:04,970
I appreciate that, Lieutenant.
597
00:34:05,450 --> 00:34:07,350
Sir, there was no way I was going to let
you down this time.
598
00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:14,070
I believe that God is with us every day.
599
00:34:15,350 --> 00:34:16,510
He gives us signs.
600
00:34:16,909 --> 00:34:21,409
And the reason we pray is so that we can
see these signs and understand God's
601
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:22,328
will for us.
602
00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:25,590
And one of these signs appeared to you
in the smoke over Baghdad.
603
00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:32,389
Commander, I believe that in the middle
of that fierce battle, when my life
604
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:38,710
and the lives of thousands of others
were in danger, God allowed me to see
605
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:39,870
face of the devil.
606
00:34:45,610 --> 00:34:49,230
But you think I'm a nut, don't you? No,
no, I don't, sir.
607
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:54,690
I have no doubt that in war some people
have very intense spiritual experiences.
608
00:34:57,050 --> 00:35:01,270
Unfortunately, we live in a profoundly
anti -religious culture.
609
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:04,910
Have you been watching the news,
Commander?
610
00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:06,710
No, sir. I have.
611
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:10,830
It's a mistake, General. They're going
out of their way to make my religious
612
00:35:10,830 --> 00:35:12,290
belief look foolish.
613
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,540
Sir, tomorrow in your testimony, you're
going to need to play down some of your
614
00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:17,660
more controversial views.
615
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,820
I refuse to lie about what I believe in.
General, like it or not, we need to
616
00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:24,580
counteract the bad press you've been
getting.
617
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:34,400
Commander, I hate to take personal
credit for deeds I've done in the name
618
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,780
Jesus, but perhaps there is one
potential witness that might be of some
619
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:48,300
My husband, Eman, was in a unit
commanded by General Jabra and General
620
00:35:48,540 --> 00:35:50,820
What happened to your husband, Mrs.
Sattar?
621
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:53,840
He was killed in a fedayeghin ambush.
622
00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:56,340
How did you meet General Watson, ma 'am?
623
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:59,820
He came to our house to show his
respect.
624
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,380
Then he found out I have breast cancer
and the Iraqi hospital could not help
625
00:36:04,700 --> 00:36:05,960
What did the general do?
626
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,220
He said that the United States owed my
family because my husband fought so
627
00:36:11,220 --> 00:36:14,060
bravely. So he brought me to this
country.
628
00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:19,020
I live in an apartment owned by his
church. The church pays for my
629
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,160
Why did he do that, Mrs. Sattar?
630
00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:26,080
Because he is a good man.
631
00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:30,160
Has General Watson ever tried to convert
you to Christianity?
632
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:35,620
General Watson and his fellow church
members drive me to a mosque every
633
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:36,620
night for services.
634
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:40,480
Thank you, Mrs. Sattar, and I hope you
recover fully, ma 'am.
635
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Thank you.
636
00:36:45,060 --> 00:36:47,420
The government has no questions for this
witness, Your Honor.
637
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,240
I can't change what I believe, and what
I believe is that we are engaged in far
638
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,740
more than a physical battle. We are
fighting for the good of mankind.
639
00:36:56,300 --> 00:37:00,020
Have your beliefs ever interfered in the
performance of your duties, sir? On the
640
00:37:00,020 --> 00:37:03,400
contrary, Commander, my beliefs have
given me the courage to go out on the
641
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,640
line and risk my life.
642
00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:08,080
Have you ever mistreated personnel under
your command who didn't share your
643
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:08,968
beliefs, sir?
644
00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:12,450
I tried to treat people of every
religion as if they were my brother and
645
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:15,910
Is that why you brought Mr. Tatar to
this country for medical treatment, sir?
646
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:17,470
Yes.
647
00:37:17,830 --> 00:37:21,430
Have you had problems with Muslims under
your command in the past, sir?
648
00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:26,370
I've commanded Muslims and Jews and even
Buddhists. The only problem I had was
649
00:37:26,370 --> 00:37:28,550
when the Buddhists kept beating
everybody in poker.
650
00:37:30,610 --> 00:37:35,290
Why did you talk about your religious
beliefs in public, sir? I talked about
651
00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:36,430
religion in churches.
652
00:37:37,070 --> 00:37:41,170
It's enough we can't pray in our schools
now. I hope we haven't gotten to the
653
00:37:41,170 --> 00:37:45,190
point where a Christian man can't
express Christian views while speaking
654
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:46,290
a Christian church.
655
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:47,910
Thank you, General.
656
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:55,570
General Watson, when you speak in
churches, are you acting as a private
657
00:37:55,570 --> 00:37:57,950
or as a spokesman for the United States
military?
658
00:37:58,410 --> 00:37:59,410
As a private citizen.
659
00:37:59,610 --> 00:38:02,970
Well then, why wear your military
uniform, sir? Doesn't that give people a
660
00:38:02,970 --> 00:38:03,970
impression?
661
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:07,300
Colonel, I always make it clear that I'm
giving personal witness.
662
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,940
Wouldn't it have been much more clear if
you had chosen to wear civilian dress?
663
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:14,440
The congregations understood that my
opinions were my own.
664
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,640
Sir, did you ever clear your speeches
with the chain of command or public
665
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,520
affairs as required by regulation?
666
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:25,380
These were church sermons, not public
speeches. Well, they became very public,
667
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,400
didn't they, General?
668
00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:31,260
That wasn't my choice, Colonel. You
spoke in front of a ZNN camera crew at
669
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:32,260
interfaith service.
670
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,380
The service took place in a Marine
chapel.
671
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,940
I assumed it was a regular church
service. As far as speaking in front of
672
00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:44,080
crew, that was a mistake, especially
since some of my statements were
673
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,500
mischaracterized by the media.
674
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,160
Well, let's talk about your statements,
sir.
675
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Did you say, as Reverend Haynes
testified, that in all these Muslim
676
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,220
the devil is fighting for power?
677
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,200
I believe the devil is fighting for
power all over the world.
678
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,560
Well, then why single out the Muslim
countries?
679
00:39:01,180 --> 00:39:05,720
I wasn't criticizing Islam per se, but
we'd be foolish not to recognize that
680
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:07,280
terrorists we're fighting are Muslims.
681
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:11,360
So what exactly are you saying about
Muslims, sir? Objection. The general's
682
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,320
personal beliefs are not on trial here.
No, but his public statements expressing
683
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,620
them are overruled.
684
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,080
Please answer, sir.
685
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,440
I believe the vast majority of Muslims
are good people.
686
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:27,270
But I also believe that Islam,
throughout history... has frequently
687
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:31,450
some of its practitioners to declare
jihad, and that is what is happening
688
00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:33,230
What does jihad mean, sir?
689
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:34,750
Holy war.
690
00:39:37,930 --> 00:39:42,390
General, are you aware that jihad
actually means to struggle or strive for
691
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:46,370
something, such as the welfare of one's
fellow human beings, and is often used
692
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:47,610
in a totally peaceful context?
693
00:39:48,830 --> 00:39:52,610
That's not how I've heard it used,
Colonel. Sir, are you aware that Islam,
694
00:39:52,610 --> 00:39:56,370
Christianity and Judaism, only considers
warfare justified if it's in self
695
00:39:56,370 --> 00:40:00,510
-defense or to liberate people who are
suffering from persecution and tyranny?
696
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:06,670
I'm not aware of that, no. Are you aware
that Islam, again, like Christianity
697
00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:11,030
and Judaism, has rules about war that
prohibit killing children, women, the
698
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:12,890
elderly, and other non -combatants?
699
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:14,930
That's not the way the enemy's acting,
Colonel.
700
00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:19,410
Sir, are you aware that Islam
specifically prohibits suicide,
701
00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:20,410
bombing?
702
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:24,190
And why are they doing it? Because they
are not following Islam any more than
703
00:40:24,190 --> 00:40:25,750
Timothy McVeigh was following
Christianity.
704
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:28,810
Objection. Counsel is testifying now,
Your Honor.
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Withdrawn. General, don't you think that
you should know a little more about
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Islam before you start discussing it in
public? Your Honor, while the General
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may not be an expert in comparative
religions, that has little to do with
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court -martial. Your Honor, General
Watson has spread false, hateful
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against another religion, and in so
doing, has hurt our image abroad,
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contributing to the erosion of support
within the Arab world, and possibly
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increased risk for members of the U .S.
military. Your Honor, save it for
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closing arguments.
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Do you have any more questions for this
witness?
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Just one, Your Honor.
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General Watson, based on your
experiences as a military officer, do
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that your statements on Islam aided the
war on terrorism or damaged it?
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Colonel, I have devoted my life to the
service of this country, and I believe I
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still have much to give.
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You want to take me to task for being
intolerant of Islam. Well, I asked you
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be tolerant of my beliefs.
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All I ever did was speak honestly from
my heart.
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For that, I do not think I should be
relieved of my duties in the Marine
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Defendant and counsel will rise.
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Will the senior member please announce
the findings?
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Major General Earl Watson, United States
Marine Corps.
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On the charges and specifications of
dereliction of duty and conduct
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an officer, this court -martial finds
you not guilty.
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General Watson, while this court has
found you not guilty, I intend to
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to the convening authority that you be
formally counseled and ordered not to
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assert your beliefs in public forums.
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Despite your impassioned statement,
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the right of free speech in the military
must be balanced with the primary
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mission of defending our country.
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There is no place for inflammatory
remarks about religion in today's Marine
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Corps.
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This court is hereby adjourned.
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No hard feelings, Colonel. We're all
serving our country in different ways.
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This was the scene today near Fallujah,
where at least 18 Marines had been
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killed in a suicide bombing.
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00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,840
A previously unknown group called the
Fire of Allah claimed responsibility for
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what they called a glorious victory in
this holy war.
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Their message was delivered in an audio
tape, which was left anonymously at the
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Al Jazeera headquarters in Cairo.
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If you'll excuse me. This is the
deadliest single attack on American
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since the war in Iraq began over one
year ago.
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Well, this is why we need men like
General Watson.
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Or not.
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