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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,399 My vision for this country... 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,479 - Roads, rail. - Right across Australia. 3 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,359 - We are in the age of infrastructure. - The dawn of a new era. 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,999 Take this country to the 21st century. 5 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,239 - Bucketloads of bitumen and bricks. - Building a stronger country. 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,359 Record spending... 7 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,279 We're spending more than any government has ever spent. 8 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,319 - $44 billion. - $75 billion. 9 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,199 - $100 billion. - It's big money in anyone's language. 10 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,879 - This is a nation-building... - Nation-building. 11 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,399 - Nation-building. - Nation-building. 12 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,679 - Nation-building. - Nation-building. 13 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,120 Nation-building. 14 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,999 But this year's priority list is also significant 15 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,559 because it comes at a particularly pivotal time 16 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,319 for infrastructure decision-making in Australia. 17 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,839 So, how are these priorities ranked? 18 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,639 As we can see here, we adhere to a clear process 19 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,679 that takes into account a more holistic view... 20 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,480 Morning. Hey. 21 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,839 So, how did it go? 22 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:52,319 - Like they all do. - Oh. 23 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,919 OK. Now, you've got the Australian Business Council at 11:30. 24 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,159 Haven't I just met with them? 25 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,519 No, that was the Australian Business Advisory Forum. 26 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,559 Just a quick get-together. And Terry would love to catch up. 27 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,319 - Who's Terry? - From Places Victoria. 28 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:06,439 She said she met you at the business breakfast this morning. 29 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,079 - She wants five minutes. - It's never five minutes. 30 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,439 Why does she want to see me? 31 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,479 To get your thoughts on infrastructure prioritisation. 32 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,559 - That's what my speech was about. - She couldn't hear you. 33 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,119 Seriously, no more business breakfasts. 34 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,839 - And Terry? - No more Terrys. 35 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,519 - I'll send her a copy of your speech. - OK. 36 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:20,999 - Tony, can I... - Just hold on a second, Scotty. 37 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,239 Just got to jump on a few things. 38 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,999 - Seriously, I need some clear air. - Of course. 39 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,760 - Door? - Shut. Closed. 40 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,359 - Oh... - Got a minute? 41 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,039 Oh, come on. You're too kind. 42 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,719 I didn't realise you guys would even know. 43 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,519 - You tweeted it. - What was the category? 44 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,239 Outstanding Achievement in Environmental Design. 45 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,199 Remember the biotunnels at Bullengarook? 46 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,799 - Did you make a speech? - A few words. 47 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,319 - Five minutes. - Who told you that? 48 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:46,959 - You were live streaming. - Did we get a mention? 49 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:48,319 - Um... - Nope. 50 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,919 It was more just a general sort of acknowledgement. 51 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,679 - I was getting the wind-up. - Can I have a look? 52 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:54,359 - Just watch the... - Congratulations, Ash. 53 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,439 - Who told you? - You Instagrammed. 54 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,239 I did actually mention this at the breakfast this morning, Daniel. 55 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,840 You couldn't hear? 56 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,319 I'll get Katie to send you a copy. 57 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,399 OK, mate. I've got to go. Yep, alright. Cheers. 58 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:07,959 Sorry about that. So... 59 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,239 Just got a call from the minister. Reshuffle. 60 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,119 - Another one? - Good result. 61 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,519 He's also now Minister for Digital Transformation. 62 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,959 - Our guy? - On the rise. 63 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,199 - He still uses a fax machine. - He'll be briefed. 64 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,319 Jim, there's been five ministers for digital transformation 65 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,320 in as many years. 66 00:02:21,321 --> 00:02:23,959 And he's keen to hit the ground running. Looking for ideas. 67 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,159 And guess who he asked to see first. 68 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,960 - Oh, Jim, I'm flat out. - 10 minutes. 69 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,759 - Good man. - Now? 70 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,199 Uh... 71 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,599 And on Thursday, you've got the regional advisory team. 72 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:36,759 Who's advising who? 73 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,879 I'll check. They just want a quick one-on-one in the boardroom. 74 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:39,999 Why the boardroom? 75 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,239 I think there's more than one coming. 76 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,479 - Would you mind handling that? - Sure. 77 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,039 - OK, I think that's about it. - The award. 78 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,879 Oh, the award, yeah. I think most of you will have heard. 79 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,119 We won an award on Friday night, so congratulations, of course... 80 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,399 Thanks, Tony. 81 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,079 ..go to everyone involved in the project. 82 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,639 - I said that on the night. - Not really. 83 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:53,640 OK, are we done? 84 00:02:53,641 --> 00:02:54,999 Oh, Scotty wanted to mention something. 85 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,639 - Just quickly. - A new podcast. 86 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,559 Another one? I've got about 15 recommendations I've yet to get to. 87 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,079 No, I think we should be DOING a podcast. 88 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,199 - Oh, yes! - Yes! That's great. 89 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,479 A chance to get our message out, let the people know what we're doing. 90 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:06,919 What happened to the YouTube channel? 91 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:08,719 Wrong demo. Wasn't getting the views. 92 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:09,839 I reckon a podcast is the way to go. 93 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,239 A lot of other departments are doing them. 94 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,599 - Defence have two. - Two?! 95 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,719 - Yeah. - Good week to start, with the award. 96 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,959 Whoa, whoa. You know what? I think we've all got a lot going on. 97 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,759 Maybe not right now. 98 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,519 Sure. Let's keep it all in house. 99 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,559 Yep. OK. 100 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Good meeting. 101 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,479 Oh! 102 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,519 Nice to see you, Minister. 103 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,839 - Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. - Great. Yeah, no. 104 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,239 - Pretty eventful week. - It has been, it has been. 105 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,159 - Just at the end, I think. - Sure. 106 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,639 Alright, so I'll just action that. 107 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:46,879 - It's not working again. - Wrong end. 108 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,679 I'll do it later. The point is, Tony, it's a brave new world. 109 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,719 What some countries are doing with their digital agenda... 110 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,080 Actually, I've got a clip here from Gizmodo that will absolutely... 111 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,599 - It's not playing. - Try to refresh it. 112 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,039 How do I do that? It doesn't... 113 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,639 - We'll send through the file. - The link. 114 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,079 Both. So, digital transformation. 115 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,159 Oh, yeah, and congratulations, Minister. 116 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,079 - Thank you. I was... - Hey, Gizmodos, what is up? 117 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,599 Today, we're gonna take... 118 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,039 So, here we are ready to hit the ground running. 119 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,239 Great. Can you take note of that, Scotty? 120 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,919 I've had some great meetings with the department. 121 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,479 - Really? - They're keen to get moving on this. 122 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,039 Are they? Yeah, I'm sure. 123 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,479 Actually, that is the secretary right now. 124 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,479 - Who am I? The labrador? - Yep. 125 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,240 OK, so, I just let him know that I've received it. 126 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,679 Shouldn't it make the whoosh, the sound? 127 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,199 The department, Minister? You were saying? 128 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,079 Right, right. What I said to them, I'm gonna say to you... 129 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,119 There it goes. 130 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,120 There it goes! 131 00:04:36,121 --> 00:04:38,359 We're looking for big ideas. Blue sky thinking. 132 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,599 It's the same challenge. 133 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,119 OK, well, we're happy to have a think. 134 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,199 - We'll put together a brief, Scotty. - Yep. 135 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,039 Love to hear what you can bring to the table. 136 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,919 Oh, great. Oh, just before you head off, Minister, 137 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,159 can I have a quiet word with you... 138 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,759 - Yeah, of course. - ..in regards to the... 139 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,559 Can I just warn you over the... Can I just... 140 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,839 Sure. 141 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:57,679 Often in situations like this, 142 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,879 the department's got a big scheme they've been sitting on 143 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:01,639 just waiting for a new minister to come along 144 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,719 so they can reintroduce it as if it's a fresh idea. 145 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,479 They'll have to get up pretty early to pull a stunt like that on me. 146 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,959 What was that? 147 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,520 - The lift. - Ah! 148 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,039 - Yep? - I just got an interesting email. 149 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,759 Subject heading, "Delegacion de investigacion ambiental." 150 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,919 Environmental fact-finding delegation. 151 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,999 - They're actually from Peru. - Oh, OK. 152 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,599 Coming out for a few weeks, most of the time in Queensland, 153 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,359 but they've flagged a visit here. 154 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,079 - Here? - I'll cc you. 155 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,239 - My tunnels! - Our biotunnels, yes. 156 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,639 Oh, my God. We've gone global! 157 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,919 Now, before you start tweeting, are you happy to oversee? 158 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,319 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 159 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,319 There's a few questions they want answered... 160 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:47,599 I'll get right onto it. 161 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,199 Oh, Courtney. I've got an overseas delegation coming next week. 162 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,519 - They want to do a site visit. - Great. I'll book a restaurant. 163 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:54,639 No, no, no. An actual site visit. 164 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,719 - You remember Heather. - My world's full of Heathers. 165 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,799 - From the Infrastructure Council. - Oh, that Heather. 166 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:00,199 She just wants a few minutes. 167 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,720 - Why have you allocated half an hour? - Because it's Heather. 168 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,320 Scotty? 169 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,680 Scotty? 170 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,239 - Everything OK? - Yeah. 171 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,039 The Attorney General Department's podcast is now weekly. 172 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,879 Is it? Weird. You know what? Maybe we give it a go. 173 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,559 - Nah. If you think it's a bad idea... - No, I didn't say it was a bad idea. 174 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,839 - If you don't want to do it... - No, no, I do. 175 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,359 You know what? Let's give it a go. 176 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,279 - Really? - Let's test it. 177 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:28,119 - What, like a pilot? - Yeah, yeah. Like a pilot. 178 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,279 - If you think it's a good idea... - Yeah, let's do it. 179 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:32,239 - It's your call. - My call is yes. 180 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,159 I mean, if you think it's a bad idea, we don't have to do it. 181 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,600 No, let's do it. 182 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,839 And we can use those tools to promote emerging technologies 183 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:47,839 in partnership with the private sector, 184 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,159 so, a national partnership program. 185 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,439 Mmm. It's a bit narrow. 186 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,039 Uh, a national... um... 187 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,199 Yeah? OK. Well, another area we're looking at is start-ups. 188 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,239 So, there's lots of ways to ease the regulatory burden 189 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,639 and really, sort of, streamline outcomes and to... 190 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,759 - Right. - Yep. Is there something wrong? 191 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,919 No. No, no. It's very... it's useful. 192 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,439 - Very comprehensive. - Yep. 193 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,519 I just wonder whether we're missing an opportunity. 194 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,280 - Oh... - Maybe a podcast. 195 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,079 - An opportunity to be bold. - Absolutely. 196 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,759 Now, I had a very interesting meeting with the department. 197 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,239 In fact, I took a snapshot of the whiteboard. 198 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,439 Now, they believe with the right sort of implementation, we can... 199 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,279 - That's not round the right way. - Oh. Just... 200 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,799 - No, no, I want it... I want it... - Well, try turning it back. 201 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,359 It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. 202 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,920 Anyway, they came up with a proposal. 203 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,439 I actually don't know how they managed 204 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,999 to pull it together at such short notice. 205 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,239 Yeah. What is it? 206 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:41,999 It's a Universal Identification Number. 207 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,559 - A UIN. - You heard of them? 208 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,959 - Not by that name. - It's pretty cutting-edge. 209 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,519 Every citizen will be able 210 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,839 to seamlessly access all government services. 211 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,959 - Like an ID card? - No, no, no. It's a UIN. 212 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,319 Right, yeah, but if it's gonna be 213 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,039 some sort of top-down data-grabbing surveillance scheme... 214 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,039 No, no, I think we might be a lap ahead of you on this. 215 00:07:58,040 --> 00:07:59,880 - Might be. - This is to help people f... 216 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,159 - What was I saying earlier? - Press Club launch? 217 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,599 - No, no, no, before that. - Citizen-centric. Yep. 218 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,799 We have to bring the people along with us. 219 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,919 - You're in the driver's seat. - It's an early draft, OK? 220 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,999 Our eyes only. Just love to see if you can pick any holes in it. 221 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,399 Yeah, I'm just not sure whether this is in our wheelhouse. 222 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,679 Are you kidding? This is exactly what the NBA should be doing. 223 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,519 - Right. - It's digital nation building. 224 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:21,879 Digistructure. 225 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,079 Can you write that down? Use my styli. 226 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,519 - It's very exciting. - No, it is. No, well... 227 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,119 - Minister, if I could just... - Yep. 228 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,559 Minister, I'll have a look at the proposal. 229 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:30,560 Excellent. 230 00:08:30,561 --> 00:08:32,919 But can I just ask you to promise me that you don't make any moves 231 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,239 until we've had a chance to assess it? 232 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,519 I'll do better than that. 233 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,159 Diary, note to self. 234 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,719 Call Tony Woodford seven days from now re departmental proposal. 235 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:42,919 Great. 236 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,159 Yeah, that didn't record. 237 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,759 We'll do it in the car. 238 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:47,439 - That's going up, sir. - Right. 239 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,879 - Oh, well, let's try that again. - Note to Tony... 240 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,239 - The microphone's at the end. - Note... 241 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,599 I sure won't be crawling through here. 242 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,199 But I tell you who soon will be, mountain pygmy possums. 243 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,759 One of our cutest critters, the pygmy possum, is sadly endangered, 244 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,159 so when this road was built through their backyard, 245 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,879 engineers came up with the bright idea to build tunnels, 246 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,359 biotunnels, 247 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,039 so these precious possums could cross the road 248 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,599 without tangling with traffic. 249 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,559 I thought we could show the delegation. 250 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,079 Maybe book the theatrette. 251 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:21,999 I think they just want to visit our tunnels. 252 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,479 - Play it on the bus? - Sure. 253 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,079 - Have you finished their questions? - Almost. 254 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,119 I'm thinking of presenting them with a booklet. 255 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,359 We could add a USB of the Totally Wild episode. 256 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Yeah. The questions. 257 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,480 I think a USB. 258 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,519 - He just wants a minute. - That's what he said last time. 259 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,079 No, he said a couple of minutes last time. 260 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,359 Yeah, then he turned up with three assistants and a data projector. 261 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,799 - I'll see if Nat can do it. - OK. 262 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,239 Oh, and what about Andrew from Projects New South Wales? 263 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,919 He just wants five minutes, says he can do a quick lunch Tuesday. 264 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,759 Where can you have lunch in five minutes? 265 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:52,359 - Drive-through? - No. 266 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,279 Nat? 267 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,439 Oh, it's for the podcast! 268 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,079 They're soundproofing the reference room. 269 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,599 - Yep. - Did Scott have a chance to ask you? 270 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:00,600 About? 271 00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:02,999 I think he wants to interview you for the pilot episode. 272 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,319 There's no need to whisper. They're behind a mattress. 273 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,679 He said it would only take 10 minutes. 274 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:07,879 - Sure. - OK. 275 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,319 - Got a minute? - Yep. 276 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,759 Just spoke to the minister. Heard your meeting went well. 277 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,119 - In what sense? - Digistructure! 278 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,799 - That was his word. - Apparently you nodded. 279 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,879 We might be onto something. 280 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,479 - Has the minister read this thing? - How long is it? 281 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,079 - Oh, 180 pages. - Doubt it. 282 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,439 - Does he know it's an ID card? - No, it's a UIN. 283 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,799 Doesn't matter what you call it. It's gonna end up being an ID card. 284 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,039 Wouldn't have thought so. 285 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,039 And between you and me, we're getting a very positive response. 286 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,079 - From? - Other departments. 287 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,559 I thought we said it was our eyes only. 288 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,519 Oh, he's just seeking feedback. And check this list. 289 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,759 ATO, tick. AFP, tick. 290 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,719 Attorney General, ASIO, Border Force, very keen. 291 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,079 Jim, what do all those organisations have in common? 292 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,439 Bold thinkers? 293 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,359 They're all involved in surveillance, enforcement, 294 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,199 revenue collection, prosecution... 295 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,279 Hey, hey, hey, hey! It's just a discussion panel. 296 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,159 Let him take this thing for a run. 297 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,759 Tony, Heather's here. 298 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,079 - Which Heather? - I'll check. 299 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,159 Yep. 300 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,439 Uh-huh. Yep. 301 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,799 - Do you think we should get it bound? - What about the cost? 302 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,679 It's $4.50 to laminate, but leather would be... 303 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:07,959 Of the biotunnels. They wanted a figure. 304 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,439 Yeah, it's kind of hard to lock down. 305 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,079 Let's just look up the works budget. 306 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,999 Yeah, but that's a big effort to find... 307 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,319 Here it is. 308 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,879 Open the spreadsheet, hit Control-7. 309 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,519 - I guess that's... - Scroll to final costings... 310 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,079 Yeah, but what's final? It's tricky... 311 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,399 Alterations and modifications. 312 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,839 Add those two columns and you've got... 313 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,599 Holy shit! 314 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,639 - Sure you don't want some cans? - No, I'm fine. 315 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,039 - What? - I'm fine! 316 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,879 Thanks, Tony. Really appreciate this. 317 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,399 - We good to go? - What? 318 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,919 - Are we good to go? - Yeah. 319 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,239 Actually, we might just move that mic in a little closer there, Brian. 320 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,959 - Yeah, I can do that. - OK? 321 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,559 Tony Woodford, welcome to Talkin' NBA. 322 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,119 Oh, It's good to be here. 323 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,519 In a nutshell, could you describe your role as CEO? 324 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:50,959 Yeah, well, my main responsibility 325 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,279 is to assess the viability of proj... well, infrastructure projects 326 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,359 and sort of arrange in a sort of a priority... 327 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,239 - Sorry, is there a problem? - No, it's fine. 328 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,719 You were just doing that. 329 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,119 Oh, it's just, the snappier, the better. 330 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,999 - I thought I was being snappy. - A little waffly. 331 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,879 - Sure you don't want some cans? - No, I'm fine. 332 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,719 We'll do a pick-up. We can drop the intro in later. 333 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,039 OK, yep. 334 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,359 Rolling! 335 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,399 So, Tony, could you describe, succinctly, your role as CEO? 336 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,679 Yes, my role is to assess the viability 337 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,799 of infrastructure projects for government. 338 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,159 Now, that government might be federal, it might be state, 339 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,359 it can be local councils, and so... and after that... 340 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,319 - I reckon one more time from the top. - OK, yep. 341 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,199 - Watch the waffle, Tony. - Yep. 342 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,639 - That can't be right. - $72 million?! 343 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,519 How do you put a price on protecting our wildlife? 344 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:31,919 I just did. Control-7. 345 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,799 And when you consider everything we've achieved... 346 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,239 Do we actually know whether these tunnels have been a success? 347 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,599 - We won the award. - In terms of preserving possums? 348 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,439 Well, Totally Wild did that story. 349 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,919 - Ash, Totally Wild is a kids' show. - I watch it. 350 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,199 Not sure if you noticed, 351 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,839 but they didn't actually show any possums using the tunnels. 352 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,639 Yeah, but they would be. 353 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Wouldn't they? 354 00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,639 Uh, the entrance is up here, mate. 355 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,960 Beautiful, this whole area... 356 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,199 Um, up there, yep. 357 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,839 And then we head towards that... 358 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,479 Very exciting to be on the world stage. 359 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,559 - Mmm. - Is that possum poo? 360 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,319 Uh, no, wallaby. So, Peru... 361 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,239 - And would wallabies use the tunnel? - Wouldn't have thought so, no. 362 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,839 - We're all very chuffed. - Yeah. 363 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,879 Uh, just out of interest, Graham, how successful have the tunnels been? 364 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,239 - Very successful. - Really? 365 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,839 - Yeah. - And the evidence for that? 366 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,279 - We just won that award. - Sure... 367 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,359 You know that kids' TV show has been out here filming? 368 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,039 - Totally Wild, yeah. - Here the whole day. 369 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,559 When we come back with the delegations, 370 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,919 we'd really like to show them some evidence 371 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,839 that those $72 million tunnels... 372 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,079 $72 million?! 373 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,719 Sorry, guys? We're recording atmos. 374 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,239 Some evidence that the tunnels are being used by actual possums. 375 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,399 Do you have any photos or footage? 376 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,359 Uh... we could set some cameras up, night vision, 377 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,159 get some idea of population numbers, yeah. 378 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,519 Yeah? That'd be great. 379 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,039 - What about that? - Wombat. 380 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,919 - And would they? - Nope. No, no, no. 381 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,799 Guys, just 30 seconds. 382 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,360 - That's all we need. - That's it. 383 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:02,879 What's with all the people? 384 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,279 Oh, a couple couldn't make it. 385 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,359 - What happened to a casual chat? - I put out biscuits. 386 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,959 Well, on behalf of the minister, 387 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,639 I'd like to welcome everyone here this morning 388 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,559 to the first meeting of this steering committee. 389 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,439 - Discussion panel. - Discussion, steering, same thing. 390 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,599 Not really. 391 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,599 And I'd like to formally acknowledge the presence 392 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,879 of Mr Tony Woodford from the NBA. 393 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,599 - Are we... taking minutes? - Tony will be sitting in with us. 394 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,359 So, looking forward to his robust oversight. 395 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,879 Yeah, yep. 396 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,839 OK, well, we might as well make a start. 397 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,559 Everyone got a copy of the proposal? 398 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,959 - Discussion paper. - Yes, sorry, my mistake. 399 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,599 We've all read it, so I don't see any issues. 400 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,919 - So why don't we just fly on through? - Mm-hm. 401 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,679 - Page one. - Yep. 402 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,999 Two. Three. 403 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,519 Four. Five. 404 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,679 Six. 405 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,359 Sorry, Peter, can we just go back a second? 406 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,439 - Uh, six? - Page one. 407 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,999 - Uh, whereabouts? - First sentence. 408 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,639 "A UIN ID card scheme will help Australia counter identity theft." 409 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,999 Beca... I see no evidence. I don't... 410 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,400 It just seems a... claim, an ambit claim. 411 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,839 Alright, are we done? 412 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,279 Y-yep. Yep. 413 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,080 OK. Well, let's get our skates on. 414 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,959 Page two. 415 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,319 Three. Four. 416 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,199 - Five... - Page two. 417 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,679 "The proposed numeric identification system... 418 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,559 - Uh, the UIN. - "..will be voluntary." 419 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,959 Yes. But we don't mean to impose. I mean, you're in the driver's seat. 420 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,759 Yeah, but then it goes on to say... 421 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,079 - Sorry, which page again? - Page two. 422 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,639 "Non-registration may result in ineligibility 423 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,439 "for prescribed government services, health, welfare, etc." 424 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:39,879 - Your point? - Not really voluntary. 425 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,439 Well, they still have a choice. 426 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,639 Well, in the same sense someone being blackmailed has a choice. 427 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,359 - You're still in the driver's seat. - Er, driving where? 428 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,079 Can we just maybe put a pin in this? 429 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,079 We've got a lot to get through before we sign off. 430 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,359 Who said we were gonna sign off? 431 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,319 Oh, just on the exploratory discussion stage... 432 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,319 Yeah, right. OK. Sure. Yep, OK. Well, let's move on. 433 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,719 We are all making great progress, everyone. 434 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,839 So, page three, four, five... 435 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,839 Yeah, still page two, Alison. 436 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,239 Actually, come back to one. Bottom of one. 437 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,280 Alright, I'm calling it. I'm going home. 438 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,639 - Have you heard Treasury's podcast? - No. 439 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,159 Mint Condition. Lame. 440 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,999 - Right. 'Night. - 'Night. 441 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,839 - Hey. - Hi. 442 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,079 What's that? 443 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,479 Got the live feed from the biotunnels. 444 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,999 - Oh, how's it looking so far? - It's only just gone dark. 445 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,519 Might need to give it another half an hour or so. 446 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,040 OK. See you in the morning. 447 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,919 - Morning, Courtney. - Good morning, Tony. 448 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,879 Are you able to organise a courier for me? 449 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,119 Certainly, Tony. A courier? 450 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,120 I look forward to completing that task for you in a timely manner. 451 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,559 - I'm recording atmos for a podcast. - Oh, right. Yeah, no. 452 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,879 Just talk naturally. 453 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,959 Oh, yeah. Well, thanks for organising the courier. 454 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,159 That'll be... most helpful to get the documents to where they need to go. 455 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,359 - Tony? - Mmm? 456 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,999 I just got an iCal alert from the minister. 457 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,079 Yep. 458 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,079 "Looking forward to seven-day update. See attachment." 459 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Yep. 460 00:17:07,081 --> 00:17:08,679 I don't think he knows how to add an attachment. 461 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,119 Right. You might have to chase that up. 462 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:11,879 Oh, and have you got a few minutes for Rhonda? 463 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,079 - Yep. - And Jim? 464 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,239 Is it the same few minutes? 465 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,399 - I think so. - OK. 466 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,559 I'll let them know, and I'll chase up that attachment. 467 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,600 Beauty. 468 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,960 Ash. 469 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,799 - Morning. How'd you go? - Oh... 470 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,119 Oh... I-I might have missed a few hours. 471 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,919 Yeah, but before you fell asleep? 472 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,719 Not as many as we hoped. 473 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,159 But in total? 474 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,079 In total, none. 475 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,719 - Not one possum? - So far. 476 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,599 I'll go back over the stuff I missed. 477 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,039 There'll be plenty. 478 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,759 - OK. - We're fine. 479 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,839 We're fine, we're fine. 480 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,400 We'll be fine. We're fine. Fine. 481 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:55,719 Are you at the office? 482 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,679 No, no, I'm at the cafe. I'm meeting Andrew. 483 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,479 Andrew who? 484 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,839 From Infrastructure New South Wales. 485 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,079 You said he wanted five minutes for a quick coffee. 486 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,639 Oh, that Andrew. 487 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,559 Um, he just texted now. He's running 15 minutes late. 488 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,359 For a five-minute catch up? 489 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,439 The minister also wants a quick chat. 490 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,239 - When? - Today. He sent you an iCal alert. 491 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,079 Did he? 492 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,279 Oh, yeah, it IS for today, in the year 2055. 493 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,639 I'll get back to him. 494 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,039 Yes! Whoo-hoo! 495 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,760 - Got something? - Yep. Just then. 496 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,039 - It's a feral cat. - I swear I saw a possum. 497 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,240 Wait. 498 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,679 - There! - In the cat's mouth! 499 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,480 That still counts. 500 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,959 That's the minister now. 501 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,479 OK. 502 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,879 Alright, there we are. I'm getting you. 503 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,359 I've got... Yep. 504 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:46,239 - Tony. - Yep, I'm here. 505 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,119 - Where... where? - Here. 506 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,479 I can't see him. Uh, wait a minute. 507 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,639 - Ah, there he is. - Ah. OK. 508 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,159 Hey, Tony, I hear you're making great progress with the task force. 509 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,479 Yeah... No, we're working our way through the discussion paper, yes. 510 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,279 Everyone's taking on board your concerns. 511 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,359 However, we have... we've run into a bit of pushback. 512 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:04,999 In what sense? 513 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,719 Well, just all these checks and balances of yours. 514 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,239 Are we tying the hands of our security agencies? 515 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,719 See, this is what happens, Minister. 516 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,239 The minute you push back against an ID scheme, 517 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,479 they start talking about terrorists and stopping the paedophiles and... 518 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,279 - Did they brief you too? - No. No, no briefing, no. 519 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,839 OK, I hear what you're saying, 520 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,479 but let's not lose our bold vision, yeah? 521 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,999 No, I don't want to lose the vision at all, so... 522 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,279 - You're gone. - No, I haven't gone anywhere. 523 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,559 I think he pressed something. 524 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,839 - Did you press something? - No, I didn't. No. 525 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,520 - What... - I think he must have. 526 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,599 What has he done? 527 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,919 Sorry, Rhon, I'm just trying to find the minister's attachment. 528 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,199 Fine. Shall we? 529 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,119 - What about Jim? - Oh, we can start without him. 530 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:46,599 Sorry, Tony, you mentioned it'd be OK to record a meeting? 531 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,559 - What? - Audio overlay for the podcast. 532 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,319 - Oh, are you OK with that? - Background only? 533 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,599 - Yep. - You'll edit it? 534 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,759 - Sure, OK. - Alright, alright. 535 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,599 Oh, I didn't realise that we... 536 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,239 - Oh, quickly, guys. - Just a sec to set up. 537 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,479 OK. Just set up quickly. 538 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,479 - The mic in there. OK. - Yep. 539 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,039 - Just get some levels. - Yeah, one, two, three, four. 540 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,679 - Let's go... - And rolling. 541 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,839 We're rolling. Three... two... one... 542 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,039 Er, what's up? 543 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,279 I've just had the chairman of the implementation task force 544 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,399 on the phone, and apparently you're only up to page five. 545 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,919 Yeah, it's called a discussion panel. 546 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,399 And you've discussed. Now, could we get MOVING?! 547 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,839 - Ooh, she's peaking. - Definitely. 548 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,999 OK, guys, come on... 549 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,639 You're tying the hands of our security agencies. 550 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,719 - I knew this was coming. - We can't let the terrorists win. 551 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,079 - Or the paedophiles? - Oh, or the paedophiles. Exactly. 552 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,639 Time to get back on Team Australia, my friend. 553 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,119 Rhonda, this whole thing is turning into 554 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,839 a top-down, government-controlled data-grabbing exercise. 555 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,279 Ooh! Sounds like we're close. 556 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,199 No, we're not. Jim, this is poor policy. 557 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,479 - Ooh, sorry, Tony, you're popping. - I don't give a shit! 558 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,639 - We'll beep that. - I said this would happen! 559 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,839 Back in the red there. 560 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,199 Got enough?! 561 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,639 - Yep. - Plenty. 562 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,920 Heaps. Thank you. 563 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,359 Have a seat. Thanks. 564 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,560 - G'day. - Hi. How's it going? Hi... 565 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,079 Thank you all for coming in at such short notice. 566 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,639 - I realise everyone is busy. - Oh, we're happy to be here. 567 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,559 And may we extend our congratulations on the award. 568 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,479 Thank you. Now, Ash and I have a few... 569 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,039 Um... Would you mind? 570 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,879 Oh. Um, Ash? 571 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,199 I guess the question we'd like answered today is, 572 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,839 have the Bullengarook biotunnels been a success? 573 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,359 - Oh, absolutely. Very good. - Yes. 574 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:17,279 And when you say that, in what way have they been successful? 575 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,079 Uh, I think it's the message that they send. 576 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,919 What message is that? 577 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,639 That this government is willing to commit significant funds 578 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,079 to the right-sounding idea. 579 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,879 But in terms of species preservation, have we saved many pygmy possums? 580 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,159 Uh, it's not really for me to say. 581 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,079 - You're head of the department. - It's early days. 582 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,799 I mean, projects like this need to be assessed over a broad time line. 583 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,879 We found a survey from before the tunnels were built 584 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,319 that put population at approximately 430 possums. 585 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,959 That sounds about right. I mean, there's seasonal variations... 586 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,399 And after two nights of a survey this week, 587 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,479 we've spotted seven possums, each in the mouth of a feral cat. 588 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,679 One was a fox. 589 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,199 Is it possible that the biotunnels have in fact become biofunnels, 590 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,999 concentrating our possums into a regular food supply 591 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,559 for feral cats who now wait at the entrance? 592 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,799 It certainly is one scenario. 593 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,919 Is there another? 594 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,519 That might explain the increase of cats. 595 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,839 - Mmm, and foxes. - OK. 596 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,799 So I guess the immediate question is what to do now. 597 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,319 Uh, we could look at a longitudinal study... 598 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,079 - I mean now. - We could start it now. 599 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,159 In order to save the remaining pygmy possums. 600 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,840 Oh. Um... 601 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,759 We could, uh... 602 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,359 ..fence off the tunnels. 603 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,399 The $72 million tunnels? 604 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,920 Yes. Well, just until the study is completed. 605 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,959 OK. 606 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,519 All those in favour? 607 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,599 - Yes. - Why not? 608 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,039 Huh? What? 609 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,879 Sorry, Minister. Thanks for making the time. 610 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,119 You look concerned. 611 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:42,159 I am. I'm worried we're rushing the process, getting ahead of ourselves. 612 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,799 - Not on my watch. - OK. 613 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Oh. Shall I show you this? 614 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,359 - You've made a card? - Yeah, yeah, it's just a prototype. 615 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,599 But check out the hologram. 616 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,919 - Yeah, but is that an RFID chip? - What's an RFID chip? 617 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,919 - It's... - Hang on. Don't tell me. 618 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,679 Hey, Siri, what's an RFID chip? 619 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,279 Radiofrequency identification uses electromagnetic fields 620 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,559 to automatically identify and track tags attached to objects. 621 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,879 - It's incredible. - That's incredible. 622 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,359 This is exactly what I'm talking about, 623 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:10,359 that we start off with a limited idea and then mission creep sets in. 624 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,759 Well, what's mission creep? 625 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,599 Mission creep is the gradual or... 626 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,079 It means in this context that the scheme expands 627 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,119 into a top-down, centralised database where the citizens lose... 628 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,239 No, no, Tony... Tony. 629 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,399 Tony, we need to give our security agencies the tools they need. 630 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919 Yeah, but we have to have the highest level of regulatory oversight. 631 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,719 - We need full anonymisation. - Well, what's anonymisation? 632 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,239 Anonymisation is the type of information... 633 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,399 - Oh, can you just turn it off? - Yep. 634 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,679 - Just off. - Yep. It's off. 635 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,279 OK, Tony, I'll tell you what. I'll take all your concerns on board. 636 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Thank you. 637 00:23:36,281 --> 00:23:37,639 You take another look at that draft bill. 638 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,679 - When did it become a bill? - We need to get our skates on. 639 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,719 - No, but this... We're jumping... - Just have a look at it. 640 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,039 - OK, well, I'll have a look, but... - Can I have my card? 641 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,919 Tony? Stefan's here. 642 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,319 Yeah, I saw him in reception. He's got six people with him. 643 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,919 Just wants five minutes. 644 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,759 That's 50 seconds each, not allowing for Stefan. 645 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,439 - I'll put them in the boardroom. - Please. 646 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,199 - Oh, and Jim's here. - Yep, I can see. 647 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,839 Tell you what, this UIN thing of yours is getting some traction. 648 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,559 - Yeah, it's not my thing. - Biometrics. 649 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,399 - Looks like a mug shot. - Yeah. 650 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,119 And check this out. A passing police car can scan you. 651 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,559 Are they gonna add your DNA to it? 652 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,519 Did you get the classified briefing? 653 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,359 No. Did you ask the Minister about my idea? 654 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,439 What idea? 655 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,039 Setting up a fully independent body to regulate the scheme. 656 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,279 Oh, a bit of pushback. 657 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,039 - Yeah? What did he say? - No. 658 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,119 Good news, though, loves the ad! 659 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,399 What ad? 660 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,439 Access to all government services? I'm on board. 661 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,279 Getting payments direct to my account? I'm on board. 662 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,199 Making sure my family's protected from online predators? I'm on board. 663 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,079 Keeping us safe from terrorists? I'm definitely on board. 664 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,279 I'm on board. 665 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,759 Australia, it's time for all of us to get on board. 666 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,719 - Tony. - Yep? 667 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,359 - Did you hear the news? - Is it good? 668 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,879 The podcast dropped last night. 669 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,079 - We're number four. - Oh, well, that's... that's great. 670 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,919 In the building and infrastructure category. 671 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,119 Still not bad for a pilot. 672 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,679 No, it... Sorry, what did you just say? 673 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,079 - Number four. - No, before that. 674 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,839 - Dropped? - No, "pilot". 675 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,159 - Katie? Katie, can I grab you... - You said we could do a pilot. 676 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,319 Oh, no, I said that. Oh, no, no, definitely. We pull the trigger. 677 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,479 Number four. Amazing! 678 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,799 Katie, what's the date for the next discussion panel? 679 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,279 It's now an implementation authority. 680 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,199 Yeah, whatever. I want to organise a special meeting. 681 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,959 All the department heads, minister, chief of staff, Jim, Rhonda. 682 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,719 Anyone who's had anything to do with the, uh... 683 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,159 - UIN. - ..the UIN. 684 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,199 Yeah. 685 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,239 - What are we gonna do? - We can be up front. 686 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,319 Just admit it was a costly mistake. 687 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,239 - Or... - Sounds better. 688 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,039 - ..we wait. - Yes! 689 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,319 - Review. - The longitudinal study! 690 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,759 Gain a better perspective. 691 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,399 I think a better perspective. 692 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,879 And rather than claiming all the credit, we share it. 693 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,559 Oh, yeah. Let's share. Definitely. 694 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,599 That still leaves us with our friends from Peru. 695 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,239 - Oh. Well, we can't do a site visit. - No. 696 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,159 But they've travelled halfway around the world. 697 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,160 They're gonna want to see some form of wildlife. 698 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,959 Who's having the wild rabbit? 699 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,799 Whoa! Wild rabbit! 700 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,959 "Ooh! Conejo salvaje!" Ha! 701 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,479 Tony, your very own UIN. 702 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,159 Oh, very citizen-centric. 703 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,919 So, seriously, you're supportive now? 704 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,439 Yeah, but I'm gonna suggest we start with a trial. 705 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,959 - Done. I'm on board. - OK. 706 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,639 - OK? - Yep, sure. 707 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,199 - Sorry we're late. - Oh, Minister. 708 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,439 - Uh, do you mind if I FaceTime this? - No, not at all. 709 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,559 It's just there's a couple of Cabinet colleagues 710 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,519 who want to hear the good news. 711 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,039 - Uh, other way round, Minister. - Will you...? 712 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,199 Uh, let me begin by saying, 713 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,199 on reflection, I think we should proceed. 714 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,319 - Ah. Finally! - That's great, Tony. 715 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,719 I don't want to be a Luddite. 716 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,639 What's a Luddite? 717 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,199 The Luddites were a secret oath-based organisation... 718 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,319 But I think we should start with a large-scale trial first. 719 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,759 - Like a pilot. - Excellent. I'm on board. 720 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,559 Minister! 721 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,999 And I'm suggesting we use Canberra. 722 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,599 You know, opt in everybody. 723 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,679 Citizens, public servants, staffers, MPs, ministers. 724 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,479 Cabinet ministers. You know, get all their information. 725 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,359 Travel expenses, credit cards, phone records. 726 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,799 Track every meeting, every arrival, departure, dinner, free event. 727 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,359 You know, make it easy on you guys. 728 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,599 You meet with a lobbyist, whoosh!, everything's logged immediately. 729 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,279 On a database. Forever. 730 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,320 I mean, get this card to tell us everything we need to know. 731 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,760 Who's on board? 732 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,120 - I can't hear anything. - Yeah, I've got nothing either. 733 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,759 Welcome to episode two of Talkin' NBA. 734 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,519 I'm joined by Natalie Russell. 735 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,479 So, Nat, the biotunnels. 736 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,960 Actually, can we stop tape? 737 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,079 And so that's at 10:30? 738 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,679 - Mm-hm. - Mm-hm. 739 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399 - Have we heard from Jim? - He's still not speaking to you. 740 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,959 - Rhonda? - Nup. 741 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,879 - Oh, the minister called. - Oh, what did he want? 742 00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:42,490 - I think it was a butt dial. - Yep. OK. 743 00:27:42,587 --> 00:27:47,938 - Synced & Corrected by Dragoniod - www.addic7ed.com 744 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,680 - Was that a miaow? - Something's eating something. 58798

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