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My vision for this country...
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- Roads, rail.
- Right across Australia.
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- We are in the age of infrastructure.
- The dawn of a new era.
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Take this country to the 21st century.
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- Bucketloads of bitumen and bricks.
- Building a stronger country.
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Record spending...
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We're spending more than any
government has ever spent.
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- $44 billion.
- $75 billion.
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- $100 billion.
- It's big money in anyone's language.
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- This is a nation-building...
- Nation-building.
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- Nation-building.
- Nation-building.
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- Nation-building.
- Nation-building.
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Nation-building.
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But this year's priority
list is also significant
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because it comes at a
particularly pivotal time
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for infrastructure
decision-making in Australia.
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So, how are these priorities ranked?
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As we can see here, we
adhere to a clear process
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that takes into account
a more holistic view...
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Morning. Hey.
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So, how did it go?
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- Like they all do.
- Oh.
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OK. Now, you've got the Australian
Business Council at 11:30.
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Haven't I just met with them?
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No, that was the Australian
Business Advisory Forum.
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Just a quick get-together. And
Terry would love to catch up.
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- Who's Terry?
- From Places Victoria.
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She said she met you at the
business breakfast this morning.
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- She wants five minutes.
- It's never five minutes.
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Why does she want to see me?
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To get your thoughts on
infrastructure prioritisation.
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- That's what my speech was about.
- She couldn't hear you.
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Seriously, no more business breakfasts.
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- And Terry?
- No more Terrys.
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- I'll send her a copy of your speech.
- OK.
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- Tony, can I...
- Just hold on a second, Scotty.
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Just got to jump on a few things.
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- Seriously, I need some clear air.
- Of course.
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- Door?
- Shut. Closed.
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- Oh...
- Got a minute?
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Oh, come on. You're too kind.
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I didn't realise you
guys would even know.
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- You tweeted it.
- What was the category?
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Outstanding Achievement
in Environmental Design.
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Remember the biotunnels at Bullengarook?
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- Did you make a speech?
- A few words.
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- Five minutes.
- Who told you that?
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- You were live streaming.
- Did we get a mention?
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- Um...
- Nope.
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It was more just a general
sort of acknowledgement.
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- I was getting the wind-up.
- Can I have a look?
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- Just watch the...
- Congratulations, Ash.
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- Who told you?
- You Instagrammed.
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I did actually mention this at
the breakfast this morning, Daniel.
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You couldn't hear?
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I'll get Katie to send you a copy.
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OK, mate. I've got to
go. Yep, alright. Cheers.
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Sorry about that. So...
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Just got a call from
the minister. Reshuffle.
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- Another one?
- Good result.
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He's also now Minister
for Digital Transformation.
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- Our guy?
- On the rise.
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- He still uses a fax machine.
- He'll be briefed.
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Jim, there's been five ministers
for digital transformation
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in as many years.
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And he's keen to hit the ground
running. Looking for ideas.
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And guess who he asked to see first.
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- Oh, Jim, I'm flat out.
- 10 minutes.
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- Good man.
- Now?
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Uh...
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And on Thursday, you've got
the regional advisory team.
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Who's advising who?
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I'll check. They just want a
quick one-on-one in the boardroom.
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Why the boardroom?
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I think there's more than one coming.
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- Would you mind handling that?
- Sure.
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- OK, I think that's about it.
- The award.
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Oh, the award, yeah. I think
most of you will have heard.
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We won an award on Friday night,
so congratulations, of course...
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Thanks, Tony.
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..go to everyone
involved in the project.
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- I said that on the night.
- Not really.
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OK, are we done?
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Oh, Scotty wanted to mention something.
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- Just quickly.
- A new podcast.
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Another one? I've got about 15
recommendations I've yet to get to.
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No, I think we should
be DOING a podcast.
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- Oh, yes!
- Yes! That's great.
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A chance to get our message out,
let the people know what we're doing.
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What happened to the YouTube channel?
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Wrong demo. Wasn't getting the views.
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I reckon a podcast is the way to go.
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A lot of other
departments are doing them.
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- Defence have two.
- Two?!
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- Yeah.
- Good week to start, with the award.
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Whoa, whoa. You know what? I
think we've all got a lot going on.
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Maybe not right now.
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Sure. Let's keep it all in house.
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Yep. OK.
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Good meeting.
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Oh!
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Nice to see you, Minister.
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- Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.
- Great. Yeah, no.
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- Pretty eventful week.
- It has been, it has been.
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- Just at the end, I think.
- Sure.
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Alright, so I'll just action that.
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- It's not working again.
- Wrong end.
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I'll do it later. The point is,
Tony, it's a brave new world.
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What some countries are doing
with their digital agenda...
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Actually, I've got a clip here
from Gizmodo that will absolutely...
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- It's not playing.
- Try to refresh it.
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How do I do that? It doesn't...
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- We'll send through the file.
- The link.
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Both. So, digital transformation.
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Oh, yeah, and congratulations, Minister.
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- Thank you. I was...
- Hey, Gizmodos, what is up?
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Today, we're gonna take...
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So, here we are ready to
hit the ground running.
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Great. Can you take
note of that, Scotty?
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I've had some great
meetings with the department.
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- Really?
- They're keen to get moving on this.
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Are they? Yeah, I'm sure.
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Actually, that is the
secretary right now.
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- Who am I? The labrador?
- Yep.
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OK, so, I just let him
know that I've received it.
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Shouldn't it make the whoosh, the sound?
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The department,
Minister? You were saying?
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Right, right. What I said to
them, I'm gonna say to you...
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There it goes.
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There it goes!
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We're looking for big
ideas. Blue sky thinking.
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It's the same challenge.
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OK, well, we're happy to have a think.
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- We'll put together a brief, Scotty.
- Yep.
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Love to hear what you
can bring to the table.
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Oh, great. Oh, just before
you head off, Minister,
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can I have a quiet word with you...
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- Yeah, of course.
- ..in regards to the...
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Can I just warn you
over the... Can I just...
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Sure.
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Often in situations like this,
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the department's got a big
scheme they've been sitting on
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just waiting for a new
minister to come along
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so they can reintroduce
it as if it's a fresh idea.
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They'll have to get up pretty early
to pull a stunt like that on me.
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What was that?
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- The lift.
- Ah!
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- Yep?
- I just got an interesting email.
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Subject heading, "Delegacion
de investigacion ambiental."
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Environmental fact-finding delegation.
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- They're actually from Peru.
- Oh, OK.
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Coming out for a few weeks,
most of the time in Queensland,
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but they've flagged a visit here.
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- Here?
- I'll cc you.
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- My tunnels!
- Our biotunnels, yes.
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Oh, my God. We've gone global!
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Now, before you start tweeting,
are you happy to oversee?
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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There's a few questions
they want answered...
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I'll get right onto it.
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Oh, Courtney. I've got an overseas
delegation coming next week.
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- They want to do a site visit.
- Great. I'll book a restaurant.
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No, no, no. An actual site visit.
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- You remember Heather.
- My world's full of Heathers.
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- From the Infrastructure Council.
- Oh, that Heather.
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She just wants a few minutes.
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- Why have you allocated half an hour?
- Because it's Heather.
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Scotty?
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Scotty?
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- Everything OK?
- Yeah.
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The Attorney General Department's
podcast is now weekly.
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Is it? Weird. You know
what? Maybe we give it a go.
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- Nah. If you think it's a bad idea...
- No, I didn't say it was a bad idea.
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- If you don't want to do it...
- No, no, I do.
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You know what? Let's give it a go.
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- Really?
- Let's test it.
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- What, like a pilot?
- Yeah, yeah. Like a pilot.
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- If you think it's a good idea...
- Yeah, let's do it.
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- It's your call.
- My call is yes.
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I mean, if you think it's a bad
idea, we don't have to do it.
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No, let's do it.
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And we can use those tools to
promote emerging technologies
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in partnership with the private sector,
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so, a national partnership program.
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Mmm. It's a bit narrow.
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Uh, a national... um...
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Yeah? OK. Well, another area
we're looking at is start-ups.
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So, there's lots of ways to
ease the regulatory burden
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and really, sort of,
streamline outcomes and to...
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- Right.
- Yep. Is there something wrong?
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No. No, no. It's very... it's useful.
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- Very comprehensive.
- Yep.
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I just wonder whether we're
missing an opportunity.
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- Oh...
- Maybe a podcast.
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- An opportunity to be bold.
- Absolutely.
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Now, I had a very interesting
meeting with the department.
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In fact, I took a
snapshot of the whiteboard.
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Now, they believe with the right
sort of implementation, we can...
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- That's not round the right way.
- Oh. Just...
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- No, no, I want it... I want it...
- Well, try turning it back.
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It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.
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Anyway, they came up with a proposal.
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I actually don't know how they managed
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to pull it together
at such short notice.
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Yeah. What is it?
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It's a Universal Identification Number.
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- A UIN.
- You heard of them?
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- Not by that name.
- It's pretty cutting-edge.
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Every citizen will be able
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to seamlessly access
all government services.
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- Like an ID card?
- No, no, no. It's a UIN.
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Right, yeah, but if it's gonna be
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some sort of top-down
data-grabbing surveillance scheme...
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No, no, I think we might be
a lap ahead of you on this.
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- Might be.
- This is to help people f...
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- What was I saying earlier?
- Press Club launch?
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- No, no, no, before that.
- Citizen-centric. Yep.
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We have to bring the
people along with us.
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- You're in the driver's seat.
- It's an early draft, OK?
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Our eyes only. Just love to see
if you can pick any holes in it.
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Yeah, I'm just not sure whether
this is in our wheelhouse.
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Are you kidding? This is exactly
what the NBA should be doing.
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- Right.
- It's digital nation building.
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Digistructure.
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Can you write that down? Use my styli.
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- It's very exciting.
- No, it is. No, well...
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- Minister, if I could just...
- Yep.
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Minister, I'll have a
look at the proposal.
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Excellent.
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But can I just ask you to promise
me that you don't make any moves
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until we've had a chance to assess it?
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I'll do better than that.
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Diary, note to self.
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Call Tony Woodford seven days
from now re departmental proposal.
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Great.
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Yeah, that didn't record.
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We'll do it in the car.
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- That's going up, sir.
- Right.
239
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- Oh, well, let's try that again.
- Note to Tony...
240
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- The microphone's at the end.
- Note...
241
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I sure won't be crawling through here.
242
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But I tell you who soon will
be, mountain pygmy possums.
243
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One of our cutest critters, the
pygmy possum, is sadly endangered,
244
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so when this road was built
through their backyard,
245
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engineers came up with the
bright idea to build tunnels,
246
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biotunnels,
247
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so these precious possums
could cross the road
248
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without tangling with traffic.
249
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I thought we could show the delegation.
250
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Maybe book the theatrette.
251
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I think they just want
to visit our tunnels.
252
00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,479
- Play it on the bus?
- Sure.
253
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- Have you finished their questions?
- Almost.
254
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I'm thinking of presenting
them with a booklet.
255
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We could add a USB of
the Totally Wild episode.
256
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Yeah. The questions.
257
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I think a USB.
258
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- He just wants a minute.
- That's what he said last time.
259
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No, he said a couple
of minutes last time.
260
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Yeah, then he turned up with three
assistants and a data projector.
261
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- I'll see if Nat can do it.
- OK.
262
00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,239
Oh, and what about Andrew
from Projects New South Wales?
263
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He just wants five minutes, says
he can do a quick lunch Tuesday.
264
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Where can you have
lunch in five minutes?
265
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- Drive-through?
- No.
266
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Nat?
267
00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,439
Oh, it's for the podcast!
268
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They're soundproofing
the reference room.
269
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- Yep.
- Did Scott have a chance to ask you?
270
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About?
271
00:10:00,601 --> 00:10:02,999
I think he wants to
interview you for the pilot episode.
272
00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,319
There's no need to
whisper. They're behind a mattress.
273
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He said it would only take 10 minutes.
274
00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:07,879
- Sure.
- OK.
275
00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:09,319
- Got a minute?
- Yep.
276
00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,759
Just spoke to the minister.
Heard your meeting went well.
277
00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,119
- In what sense?
- Digistructure!
278
00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,799
- That was his word.
- Apparently you nodded.
279
00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,879
We might be onto something.
280
00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,479
- Has the minister read this thing?
- How long is it?
281
00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,079
- Oh, 180 pages.
- Doubt it.
282
00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,439
- Does he know it's an ID card?
- No, it's a UIN.
283
00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,799
Doesn't matter what you call it.
It's gonna end up being an ID card.
284
00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,039
Wouldn't have thought so.
285
00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,039
And between you and me, we're
getting a very positive response.
286
00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,079
- From?
- Other departments.
287
00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,559
I thought we said it was our eyes only.
288
00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,519
Oh, he's just seeking
feedback. And check this list.
289
00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,759
ATO, tick. AFP, tick.
290
00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,719
Attorney General, ASIO,
Border Force, very keen.
291
00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,079
Jim, what do all those
organisations have in common?
292
00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,439
Bold thinkers?
293
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They're all involved in
surveillance, enforcement,
294
00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,199
revenue collection, prosecution...
295
00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,279
Hey, hey, hey, hey! It's
just a discussion panel.
296
00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,159
Let him take this thing for a run.
297
00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,759
Tony, Heather's here.
298
00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,079
- Which Heather?
- I'll check.
299
00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,159
Yep.
300
00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,439
Uh-huh. Yep.
301
00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,799
- Do you think we should get it bound?
- What about the cost?
302
00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,679
It's $4.50 to laminate,
but leather would be...
303
00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:07,959
Of the biotunnels. They wanted a figure.
304
00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,439
Yeah, it's kind of hard to lock down.
305
00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,079
Let's just look up the works budget.
306
00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,999
Yeah, but that's a big effort to find...
307
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,319
Here it is.
308
00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,879
Open the spreadsheet, hit Control-7.
309
00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,519
- I guess that's...
- Scroll to final costings...
310
00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,079
Yeah, but what's final? It's tricky...
311
00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,399
Alterations and modifications.
312
00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,839
Add those two columns and you've got...
313
00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,599
Holy shit!
314
00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,639
- Sure you don't want some cans?
- No, I'm fine.
315
00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,039
- What?
- I'm fine!
316
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,879
Thanks, Tony. Really appreciate this.
317
00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,399
- We good to go?
- What?
318
00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:38,919
- Are we good to go?
- Yeah.
319
00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,239
Actually, we might just move that
mic in a little closer there, Brian.
320
00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,959
- Yeah, I can do that.
- OK?
321
00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,559
Tony Woodford, welcome to Talkin' NBA.
322
00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,119
Oh, It's good to be here.
323
00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,519
In a nutshell, could you
describe your role as CEO?
324
00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:50,959
Yeah, well, my main responsibility
325
00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,279
is to assess the viability of
proj... well, infrastructure projects
326
00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,359
and sort of arrange in
a sort of a priority...
327
00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,239
- Sorry, is there a problem?
- No, it's fine.
328
00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,719
You were just doing that.
329
00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,119
Oh, it's just, the snappier, the better.
330
00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,999
- I thought I was being snappy.
- A little waffly.
331
00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,879
- Sure you don't want some cans?
- No, I'm fine.
332
00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,719
We'll do a pick-up. We can
drop the intro in later.
333
00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,039
OK, yep.
334
00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,359
Rolling!
335
00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,399
So, Tony, could you describe,
succinctly, your role as CEO?
336
00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,679
Yes, my role is to assess the viability
337
00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:17,799
of infrastructure
projects for government.
338
00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,159
Now, that government might
be federal, it might be state,
339
00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,359
it can be local councils,
and so... and after that...
340
00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,319
- I reckon one more time from the top.
- OK, yep.
341
00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,199
- Watch the waffle, Tony.
- Yep.
342
00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,639
- That can't be right.
- $72 million?!
343
00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,519
How do you put a price on
protecting our wildlife?
344
00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:31,919
I just did. Control-7.
345
00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:33,799
And when you consider
everything we've achieved...
346
00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,239
Do we actually know whether
these tunnels have been a success?
347
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,599
- We won the award.
- In terms of preserving possums?
348
00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,439
Well, Totally Wild did that story.
349
00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,919
- Ash, Totally Wild is a kids' show.
- I watch it.
350
00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,199
Not sure if you noticed,
351
00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,839
but they didn't actually show
any possums using the tunnels.
352
00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,639
Yeah, but they would be.
353
00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,600
Wouldn't they?
354
00:12:57,880 --> 00:12:59,639
Uh, the entrance is up here, mate.
355
00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,960
Beautiful, this whole area...
356
00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,199
Um, up there, yep.
357
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,839
And then we head towards that...
358
00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,479
Very exciting to be on the world stage.
359
00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,559
- Mmm.
- Is that possum poo?
360
00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:13,319
Uh, no, wallaby. So, Peru...
361
00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,239
- And would wallabies use the tunnel?
- Wouldn't have thought so, no.
362
00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,839
- We're all very chuffed.
- Yeah.
363
00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,879
Uh, just out of interest, Graham,
how successful have the tunnels been?
364
00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,239
- Very successful.
- Really?
365
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,839
- Yeah.
- And the evidence for that?
366
00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,279
- We just won that award.
- Sure...
367
00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,359
You know that kids' TV show
has been out here filming?
368
00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,039
- Totally Wild, yeah.
- Here the whole day.
369
00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,559
When we come back with the delegations,
370
00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,919
we'd really like to
show them some evidence
371
00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,839
that those $72 million tunnels...
372
00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,079
$72 million?!
373
00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,719
Sorry, guys? We're recording atmos.
374
00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,239
Some evidence that the tunnels
are being used by actual possums.
375
00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,399
Do you have any photos or footage?
376
00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,359
Uh... we could set some
cameras up, night vision,
377
00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,159
get some idea of
population numbers, yeah.
378
00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,519
Yeah? That'd be great.
379
00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,039
- What about that?
- Wombat.
380
00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:53,919
- And would they?
- Nope. No, no, no.
381
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,799
Guys, just 30 seconds.
382
00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,360
- That's all we need.
- That's it.
383
00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:02,879
What's with all the people?
384
00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,279
Oh, a couple couldn't make it.
385
00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,359
- What happened to a casual chat?
- I put out biscuits.
386
00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,959
Well, on behalf of the minister,
387
00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,639
I'd like to welcome
everyone here this morning
388
00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,559
to the first meeting of
this steering committee.
389
00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:15,439
- Discussion panel.
- Discussion, steering, same thing.
390
00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:16,599
Not really.
391
00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,599
And I'd like to formally
acknowledge the presence
392
00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,879
of Mr Tony Woodford from the NBA.
393
00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,599
- Are we... taking minutes?
- Tony will be sitting in with us.
394
00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,359
So, looking forward to
his robust oversight.
395
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:27,879
Yeah, yep.
396
00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,839
OK, well, we might as well make a start.
397
00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,559
Everyone got a copy of the proposal?
398
00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,959
- Discussion paper.
- Yes, sorry, my mistake.
399
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,599
We've all read it, so
I don't see any issues.
400
00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,919
- So why don't we just fly on through?
- Mm-hm.
401
00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,679
- Page one.
- Yep.
402
00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,999
Two. Three.
403
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,519
Four. Five.
404
00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,679
Six.
405
00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,359
Sorry, Peter, can we
just go back a second?
406
00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,439
- Uh, six?
- Page one.
407
00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,999
- Uh, whereabouts?
- First sentence.
408
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,639
"A UIN ID card scheme will help
Australia counter identity theft."
409
00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,999
Beca... I see no evidence. I don't...
410
00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,400
It just seems a... claim,
an ambit claim.
411
00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,839
Alright, are we done?
412
00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,279
Y-yep. Yep.
413
00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,080
OK. Well, let's get our skates on.
414
00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,959
Page two.
415
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,319
Three. Four.
416
00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,199
- Five...
- Page two.
417
00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,679
"The proposed numeric
identification system...
418
00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,559
- Uh, the UIN.
- "..will be voluntary."
419
00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,959
Yes. But we don't mean to impose.
I mean, you're in the driver's seat.
420
00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,759
Yeah, but then it goes on to say...
421
00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:33,079
- Sorry, which page again?
- Page two.
422
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,639
"Non-registration may
result in ineligibility
423
00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,439
"for prescribed government
services, health, welfare, etc."
424
00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:39,879
- Your point?
- Not really voluntary.
425
00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,439
Well, they still have a choice.
426
00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,639
Well, in the same sense someone
being blackmailed has a choice.
427
00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,359
- You're still in the driver's seat.
- Er, driving where?
428
00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,079
Can we just maybe put a pin in this?
429
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,079
We've got a lot to get
through before we sign off.
430
00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,359
Who said we were gonna sign off?
431
00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,319
Oh, just on the exploratory
discussion stage...
432
00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,319
Yeah, right. OK. Sure. Yep,
OK. Well, let's move on.
433
00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,719
We are all making great
progress, everyone.
434
00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,839
So, page three, four, five...
435
00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,839
Yeah, still page two, Alison.
436
00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,239
Actually, come back
to one. Bottom of one.
437
00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,280
Alright, I'm calling it. I'm going home.
438
00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,639
- Have you heard Treasury's podcast?
- No.
439
00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,159
Mint Condition. Lame.
440
00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,999
- Right. 'Night.
- 'Night.
441
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,839
- Hey.
- Hi.
442
00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,079
What's that?
443
00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,479
Got the live feed from the biotunnels.
444
00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,999
- Oh, how's it looking so far?
- It's only just gone dark.
445
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,519
Might need to give it
another half an hour or so.
446
00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,040
OK. See you in the morning.
447
00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,919
- Morning, Courtney.
- Good morning, Tony.
448
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,879
Are you able to organise
a courier for me?
449
00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,119
Certainly, Tony. A courier?
450
00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,120
I look forward to completing that
task for you in a timely manner.
451
00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,559
- I'm recording atmos for a podcast.
- Oh, right. Yeah, no.
452
00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,879
Just talk naturally.
453
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,959
Oh, yeah. Well, thanks
for organising the courier.
454
00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,159
That'll be... most helpful to get the
documents to where they need to go.
455
00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,359
- Tony?
- Mmm?
456
00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,999
I just got an iCal
alert from the minister.
457
00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,079
Yep.
458
00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,079
"Looking forward to seven-day
update. See attachment."
459
00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,080
Yep.
460
00:17:07,081 --> 00:17:08,679
I don't think he knows
how to add an attachment.
461
00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,119
Right. You might have to chase that up.
462
00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:11,879
Oh, and have you got a
few minutes for Rhonda?
463
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,079
- Yep.
- And Jim?
464
00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:14,239
Is it the same few minutes?
465
00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,399
- I think so.
- OK.
466
00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,559
I'll let them know, and I'll
chase up that attachment.
467
00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,600
Beauty.
468
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:28,960
Ash.
469
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,799
- Morning. How'd you go?
- Oh...
470
00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,119
Oh... I-I might have missed a few hours.
471
00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:36,919
Yeah, but before you fell asleep?
472
00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,719
Not as many as we hoped.
473
00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,159
But in total?
474
00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,079
In total, none.
475
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,719
- Not one possum?
- So far.
476
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,599
I'll go back over the stuff I missed.
477
00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,039
There'll be plenty.
478
00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,759
- OK.
- We're fine.
479
00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,839
We're fine, we're fine.
480
00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,400
We'll be fine. We're fine. Fine.
481
00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:55,719
Are you at the office?
482
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,679
No, no, I'm at the
cafe. I'm meeting Andrew.
483
00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,479
Andrew who?
484
00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:00,839
From Infrastructure New South Wales.
485
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,079
You said he wanted five
minutes for a quick coffee.
486
00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,639
Oh, that Andrew.
487
00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,559
Um, he just texted now.
He's running 15 minutes late.
488
00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,359
For a five-minute catch up?
489
00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:11,439
The minister also wants a quick chat.
490
00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,239
- When?
- Today. He sent you an iCal alert.
491
00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,079
Did he?
492
00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,279
Oh, yeah, it IS for
today, in the year 2055.
493
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,639
I'll get back to him.
494
00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,039
Yes! Whoo-hoo!
495
00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,760
- Got something?
- Yep. Just then.
496
00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,039
- It's a feral cat.
- I swear I saw a possum.
497
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,240
Wait.
498
00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,679
- There!
- In the cat's mouth!
499
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,480
That still counts.
500
00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:38,959
That's the minister now.
501
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,479
OK.
502
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,879
Alright, there we are. I'm getting you.
503
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,359
I've got... Yep.
504
00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:46,239
- Tony.
- Yep, I'm here.
505
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,119
- Where... where?
- Here.
506
00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,479
I can't see him. Uh, wait a minute.
507
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,639
- Ah, there he is.
- Ah. OK.
508
00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,159
Hey, Tony, I hear you're making
great progress with the task force.
509
00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,479
Yeah... No, we're working our way
through the discussion paper, yes.
510
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,279
Everyone's taking on
board your concerns.
511
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,359
However, we have... we've
run into a bit of pushback.
512
00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:04,999
In what sense?
513
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,719
Well, just all these checks
and balances of yours.
514
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,239
Are we tying the hands
of our security agencies?
515
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,719
See, this is what happens, Minister.
516
00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,239
The minute you push back
against an ID scheme,
517
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,479
they start talking about terrorists
and stopping the paedophiles and...
518
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,279
- Did they brief you too?
- No. No, no briefing, no.
519
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,839
OK, I hear what you're saying,
520
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,479
but let's not lose
our bold vision, yeah?
521
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,999
No, I don't want to lose
the vision at all, so...
522
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,279
- You're gone.
- No, I haven't gone anywhere.
523
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:30,559
I think he pressed something.
524
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,839
- Did you press something?
- No, I didn't. No.
525
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,520
- What...
- I think he must have.
526
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:38,599
What has he done?
527
00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,919
Sorry, Rhon, I'm just trying to
find the minister's attachment.
528
00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,199
Fine. Shall we?
529
00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,119
- What about Jim?
- Oh, we can start without him.
530
00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:46,599
Sorry, Tony, you mentioned
it'd be OK to record a meeting?
531
00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,559
- What?
- Audio overlay for the podcast.
532
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,319
- Oh, are you OK with that?
- Background only?
533
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,599
- Yep.
- You'll edit it?
534
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,759
- Sure, OK.
- Alright, alright.
535
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,599
Oh, I didn't realise that we...
536
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,239
- Oh, quickly, guys.
- Just a sec to set up.
537
00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:59,479
OK. Just set up quickly.
538
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,479
- The mic in there. OK.
- Yep.
539
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,039
- Just get some levels.
- Yeah, one, two, three, four.
540
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,679
- Let's go...
- And rolling.
541
00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,839
We're rolling. Three... two... one...
542
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,039
Er, what's up?
543
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,279
I've just had the chairman of
the implementation task force
544
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,399
on the phone, and apparently
you're only up to page five.
545
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:15,919
Yeah, it's called a discussion panel.
546
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,399
And you've discussed.
Now, could we get MOVING?!
547
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:19,839
- Ooh, she's peaking.
- Definitely.
548
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,999
OK, guys, come on...
549
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,639
You're tying the hands
of our security agencies.
550
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,719
- I knew this was coming.
- We can't let the terrorists win.
551
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,079
- Or the paedophiles?
- Oh, or the paedophiles. Exactly.
552
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,639
Time to get back on Team
Australia, my friend.
553
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,119
Rhonda, this whole thing is turning into
554
00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,839
a top-down, government-controlled
data-grabbing exercise.
555
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,279
Ooh! Sounds like we're close.
556
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,199
No, we're not. Jim, this is poor policy.
557
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,479
- Ooh, sorry, Tony, you're popping.
- I don't give a shit!
558
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,639
- We'll beep that.
- I said this would happen!
559
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:41,839
Back in the red there.
560
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:43,199
Got enough?!
561
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,639
- Yep.
- Plenty.
562
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:45,920
Heaps. Thank you.
563
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,359
Have a seat. Thanks.
564
00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,560
- G'day.
- Hi. How's it going? Hi...
565
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,079
Thank you all for coming
in at such short notice.
566
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,639
- I realise everyone is busy.
- Oh, we're happy to be here.
567
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,559
And may we extend our
congratulations on the award.
568
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,479
Thank you. Now, Ash and I have a few...
569
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,039
Um... Would you mind?
570
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,879
Oh. Um, Ash?
571
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,199
I guess the question we'd
like answered today is,
572
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,839
have the Bullengarook
biotunnels been a success?
573
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,359
- Oh, absolutely. Very good.
- Yes.
574
00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:17,279
And when you say that, in what
way have they been successful?
575
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,079
Uh, I think it's the
message that they send.
576
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,919
What message is that?
577
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,639
That this government is willing
to commit significant funds
578
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,079
to the right-sounding idea.
579
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,879
But in terms of species preservation,
have we saved many pygmy possums?
580
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,159
Uh, it's not really for me to say.
581
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,079
- You're head of the department.
- It's early days.
582
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,799
I mean, projects like this need to
be assessed over a broad time line.
583
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,879
We found a survey from
before the tunnels were built
584
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,319
that put population at
approximately 430 possums.
585
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,959
That sounds about right. I mean,
there's seasonal variations...
586
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,399
And after two nights
of a survey this week,
587
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,479
we've spotted seven possums,
each in the mouth of a feral cat.
588
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,679
One was a fox.
589
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:57,199
Is it possible that the biotunnels
have in fact become biofunnels,
590
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,999
concentrating our possums
into a regular food supply
591
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,559
for feral cats who now
wait at the entrance?
592
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,799
It certainly is one scenario.
593
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,919
Is there another?
594
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,519
That might explain the increase of cats.
595
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,839
- Mmm, and foxes.
- OK.
596
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,799
So I guess the immediate
question is what to do now.
597
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,319
Uh, we could look at
a longitudinal study...
598
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,079
- I mean now.
- We could start it now.
599
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,159
In order to save the
remaining pygmy possums.
600
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:18,840
Oh. Um...
601
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,759
We could, uh...
602
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,359
..fence off the tunnels.
603
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,399
The $72 million tunnels?
604
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,920
Yes. Well, just until
the study is completed.
605
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,959
OK.
606
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,519
All those in favour?
607
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,599
- Yes.
- Why not?
608
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,039
Huh? What?
609
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,879
Sorry, Minister. Thanks
for making the time.
610
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,119
You look concerned.
611
00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:42,159
I am. I'm worried we're rushing the
process, getting ahead of ourselves.
612
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,799
- Not on my watch.
- OK.
613
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,040
Oh. Shall I show you this?
614
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,359
- You've made a card?
- Yeah, yeah, it's just a prototype.
615
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:49,599
But check out the hologram.
616
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,919
- Yeah, but is that an RFID chip?
- What's an RFID chip?
617
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,919
- It's...
- Hang on. Don't tell me.
618
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,679
Hey, Siri, what's an RFID chip?
619
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,279
Radiofrequency identification
uses electromagnetic fields
620
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,559
to automatically identify and
track tags attached to objects.
621
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,879
- It's incredible.
- That's incredible.
622
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,359
This is exactly what I'm talking about,
623
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:10,359
that we start off with a limited
idea and then mission creep sets in.
624
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,759
Well, what's mission creep?
625
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,599
Mission creep is the gradual or...
626
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,079
It means in this context
that the scheme expands
627
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,119
into a top-down, centralised
database where the citizens lose...
628
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,239
No, no, Tony... Tony.
629
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,399
Tony, we need to give our security
agencies the tools they need.
630
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919
Yeah, but we have to have the
highest level of regulatory oversight.
631
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,719
- We need full anonymisation.
- Well, what's anonymisation?
632
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,239
Anonymisation is the
type of information...
633
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,399
- Oh, can you just turn it off?
- Yep.
634
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,679
- Just off.
- Yep. It's off.
635
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,279
OK, Tony, I'll tell you what. I'll
take all your concerns on board.
636
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,280
Thank you.
637
00:23:36,281 --> 00:23:37,639
You take another look
at that draft bill.
638
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,679
- When did it become a bill?
- We need to get our skates on.
639
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,719
- No, but this... We're jumping...
- Just have a look at it.
640
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,039
- OK, well, I'll have a look, but...
- Can I have my card?
641
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:45,919
Tony? Stefan's here.
642
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,319
Yeah, I saw him in reception.
He's got six people with him.
643
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,919
Just wants five minutes.
644
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,759
That's 50 seconds each,
not allowing for Stefan.
645
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,439
- I'll put them in the boardroom.
- Please.
646
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,199
- Oh, and Jim's here.
- Yep, I can see.
647
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,839
Tell you what, this UIN thing of
yours is getting some traction.
648
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,559
- Yeah, it's not my thing.
- Biometrics.
649
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,399
- Looks like a mug shot.
- Yeah.
650
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,119
And check this out. A passing
police car can scan you.
651
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,559
Are they gonna add your DNA to it?
652
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,519
Did you get the classified briefing?
653
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,359
No. Did you ask the
Minister about my idea?
654
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:10,439
What idea?
655
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,039
Setting up a fully independent
body to regulate the scheme.
656
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,279
Oh, a bit of pushback.
657
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,039
- Yeah? What did he say?
- No.
658
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,119
Good news, though, loves the ad!
659
00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:19,399
What ad?
660
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,439
Access to all government
services? I'm on board.
661
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,279
Getting payments direct to
my account? I'm on board.
662
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,199
Making sure my family's protected
from online predators? I'm on board.
663
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,079
Keeping us safe from terrorists?
I'm definitely on board.
664
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,279
I'm on board.
665
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,759
Australia, it's time
for all of us to get on board.
666
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,719
- Tony.
- Yep?
667
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,359
- Did you hear the news?
- Is it good?
668
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,879
The podcast dropped last night.
669
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,079
- We're number four.
- Oh, well, that's... that's great.
670
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,919
In the building and
infrastructure category.
671
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,119
Still not bad for a pilot.
672
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,679
No, it... Sorry, what did you just say?
673
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,079
- Number four.
- No, before that.
674
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,839
- Dropped?
- No, "pilot".
675
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,159
- Katie? Katie, can I grab you...
- You said we could do a pilot.
676
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,319
Oh, no, I said that. Oh, no, no,
definitely. We pull the trigger.
677
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,479
Number four. Amazing!
678
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,799
Katie, what's the date for
the next discussion panel?
679
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,279
It's now an implementation authority.
680
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,199
Yeah, whatever. I want to
organise a special meeting.
681
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,959
All the department heads, minister,
chief of staff, Jim, Rhonda.
682
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,719
Anyone who's had anything
to do with the, uh...
683
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,159
- UIN.
- ..the UIN.
684
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,199
Yeah.
685
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,239
- What are we gonna do?
- We can be up front.
686
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,319
Just admit it was a costly mistake.
687
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,239
- Or...
- Sounds better.
688
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,039
- ..we wait.
- Yes!
689
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,319
- Review.
- The longitudinal study!
690
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,759
Gain a better perspective.
691
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,399
I think a better perspective.
692
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,879
And rather than claiming
all the credit, we share it.
693
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,559
Oh, yeah. Let's share. Definitely.
694
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,599
That still leaves us with
our friends from Peru.
695
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,239
- Oh. Well, we can't do a site visit.
- No.
696
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,159
But they've travelled
halfway around the world.
697
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,160
They're gonna want to
see some form of wildlife.
698
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,959
Who's having the wild rabbit?
699
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,799
Whoa! Wild rabbit!
700
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,959
"Ooh! Conejo salvaje!" Ha!
701
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,479
Tony, your very own UIN.
702
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,159
Oh, very citizen-centric.
703
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,919
So, seriously, you're supportive now?
704
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,439
Yeah, but I'm gonna suggest
we start with a trial.
705
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,959
- Done. I'm on board.
- OK.
706
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,639
- OK?
- Yep, sure.
707
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,199
- Sorry we're late.
- Oh, Minister.
708
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,439
- Uh, do you mind if I FaceTime this?
- No, not at all.
709
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,559
It's just there's a couple
of Cabinet colleagues
710
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,519
who want to hear the good news.
711
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,039
- Uh, other way round, Minister.
- Will you...?
712
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,199
Uh, let me begin by saying,
713
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,199
on reflection, I think
we should proceed.
714
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,319
- Ah. Finally!
- That's great, Tony.
715
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,719
I don't want to be a Luddite.
716
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,639
What's a Luddite?
717
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,199
The Luddites were a
secret oath-based organisation...
718
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,319
But I think we should start
with a large-scale trial first.
719
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,759
- Like a pilot.
- Excellent. I'm on board.
720
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,559
Minister!
721
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,999
And I'm suggesting we use Canberra.
722
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,599
You know, opt in everybody.
723
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,679
Citizens, public servants,
staffers, MPs, ministers.
724
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,479
Cabinet ministers. You know,
get all their information.
725
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,359
Travel expenses, credit
cards, phone records.
726
00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,799
Track every meeting, every arrival,
departure, dinner, free event.
727
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,359
You know, make it easy on you guys.
728
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,599
You meet with a lobbyist, whoosh!,
everything's logged immediately.
729
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,279
On a database. Forever.
730
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,320
I mean, get this card to tell
us everything we need to know.
731
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,760
Who's on board?
732
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,120
- I can't hear anything.
- Yeah, I've got nothing either.
733
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,759
Welcome to episode two of Talkin' NBA.
734
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,519
I'm joined by Natalie Russell.
735
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,479
So, Nat, the biotunnels.
736
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Actually, can we stop tape?
737
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,079
And so that's at 10:30?
738
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,679
- Mm-hm.
- Mm-hm.
739
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,399
- Have we heard from Jim?
- He's still not speaking to you.
740
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,959
- Rhonda?
- Nup.
741
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,879
- Oh, the minister called.
- Oh, what did he want?
742
00:27:39,890 --> 00:27:42,490
- I think it was a butt dial.
- Yep. OK.
743
00:27:42,587 --> 00:27:47,938
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744
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,680
- Was that a miaow?
- Something's eating something.
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