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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,729 --> 00:00:18,064 - This wasn't suicide, at least not 2 00:00:18,106 --> 00:00:19,524 in my professional opinion. 3 00:00:19,566 --> 00:00:22,193 The bomber's handwriting on the suicide note 4 00:00:22,235 --> 00:00:24,029 isn't consistent with his old journals. 5 00:00:24,070 --> 00:00:26,197 Even his signature is off. 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,368 Intense stress creates stroke impulses, 7 00:00:30,410 --> 00:00:32,037 jerking movements when writing. 8 00:00:32,078 --> 00:00:33,621 This note is full of them. 9 00:00:33,663 --> 00:00:35,206 - You think he was under duress? 10 00:00:35,248 --> 00:00:36,958 - This man wasn't looking to end his life. 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,126 He was forced into the noose. 12 00:00:38,168 --> 00:00:39,753 - He did kill 13 people. 13 00:00:39,794 --> 00:00:41,379 That's a lot of guilt on his shoulders. 14 00:00:41,421 --> 00:00:43,089 - He bombed that church 20 years ago. 15 00:00:43,131 --> 00:00:46,718 The concept of habituation says most emotions dissipate 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,387 over time, meaning if guilt was the driving 17 00:00:49,429 --> 00:00:51,097 factor in him taking his life, 18 00:00:51,139 --> 00:00:52,223 he would have done it back then. 19 00:00:52,265 --> 00:00:53,933 - Maybe he got when we were coming. 20 00:00:53,975 --> 00:00:55,935 Suicide made more sense than going through a trial 21 00:00:55,977 --> 00:00:57,062 and facing life in a cell. 22 00:00:57,103 --> 00:00:59,105 - Look at this. 23 00:00:59,147 --> 00:01:02,192 One of the chairs has a scuff mark on it, 24 00:01:02,233 --> 00:01:03,693 a small chip at the bottom. 25 00:01:03,735 --> 00:01:05,945 We didn't see it at the scene, but someone kicked 26 00:01:05,987 --> 00:01:07,447 that chair out from under him. 27 00:01:07,489 --> 00:01:08,990 - Looks like murder to me too. 28 00:01:09,032 --> 00:01:10,825 - Which leads to our third man, the same person 29 00:01:10,867 --> 00:01:13,578 who intimidated Wes Banning in the parole hearing. 30 00:01:13,620 --> 00:01:15,080 - Now he's tying up loose ends. 31 00:01:15,121 --> 00:01:16,247 - OK, we press it as a murder. 32 00:01:16,289 --> 00:01:17,290 What next? 33 00:01:17,332 --> 00:01:18,875 - We talk to his mom. 34 00:01:18,917 --> 00:01:20,293 He was living with her when he bombed the church. 35 00:01:20,335 --> 00:01:21,920 If someone wanted to kill her son, 36 00:01:21,961 --> 00:01:23,672 maybe she points us in the right direction. 37 00:01:23,713 --> 00:01:25,256 - Great. I should look at her file. 38 00:01:25,298 --> 00:01:27,592 We can figure out an approach. 39 00:01:27,634 --> 00:01:30,720 - You can't be involved, not anymore. 40 00:01:30,762 --> 00:01:32,305 - What do you mean? 41 00:01:32,347 --> 00:01:34,933 - He's a suspect in a bombing where you were a victim. 42 00:01:34,974 --> 00:01:37,352 Technically you had motive to kill the bomber. 43 00:01:37,394 --> 00:01:40,105 I know that you wouldn't, but it's optics. 44 00:01:40,146 --> 00:01:41,773 - Was this his idea? 45 00:01:41,815 --> 00:01:43,233 - This is the first I'm hearing of it. 46 00:01:43,274 --> 00:01:44,567 - Alec, please. 47 00:01:44,609 --> 00:01:47,278 If this case isn't 100% above board, 48 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:50,865 the entire investigation is compromised. 49 00:01:50,907 --> 00:01:52,784 - Understood. 50 00:01:54,577 --> 00:01:56,663 - We'll let you know what we find. 51 00:01:56,705 --> 00:01:58,832 - Mm-hmm. 52 00:02:00,875 --> 00:02:04,963 - A wrongful death civil trial is underway in D.C. six months 53 00:02:05,005 --> 00:02:07,966 after three out of four members of a tactical unit 54 00:02:08,008 --> 00:02:12,095 known as the VIPER Squad shot and killed Joshua Hill-Jones, 55 00:02:12,137 --> 00:02:15,807 a local building inspector, in a police raid gone wrong. 56 00:02:15,849 --> 00:02:19,227 His husband Mason rejected the city's settlement offer, 57 00:02:19,269 --> 00:02:20,729 and now he's taking the district 58 00:02:20,770 --> 00:02:23,940 and officers that gunned down his partner to court. 59 00:02:23,982 --> 00:02:25,191 - I could have sworn there was a gallon of milk 60 00:02:25,233 --> 00:02:26,651 in here last night. 61 00:02:26,693 --> 00:02:30,363 - I grabbed it in case I needed to rinse my eyes out. 62 00:02:32,907 --> 00:02:35,201 Did someone forget I was protesting last night 63 00:02:35,243 --> 00:02:36,995 outside that courtroom? 64 00:02:37,037 --> 00:02:39,372 It was cloudy with a chance of cops using tear gas. 65 00:02:39,414 --> 00:02:40,373 - Did they? 66 00:02:40,415 --> 00:02:42,751 - No, not yet. 67 00:02:42,792 --> 00:02:44,502 But I got to stay ready. 68 00:02:44,544 --> 00:02:45,837 - I'd stay away from that coverage. 69 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:47,672 It's only going to make you angry. 70 00:02:47,714 --> 00:02:50,342 - Too late. 71 00:02:50,383 --> 00:02:52,218 You know, I don't get how you always be 72 00:02:52,260 --> 00:02:53,845 so academic about this stuff. 73 00:02:53,887 --> 00:02:55,221 - Come on, Kylie. 74 00:02:55,263 --> 00:02:57,015 You don't think I get furious, sad? 75 00:02:57,057 --> 00:02:58,892 This keeps happening to us, to your close friend. 76 00:02:58,933 --> 00:03:01,353 But somebody got to be the cooler head. 77 00:03:01,394 --> 00:03:03,104 How is Mason? 78 00:03:03,146 --> 00:03:04,314 - Police killed his husband. 79 00:03:04,356 --> 00:03:05,482 He's not great. 80 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:10,737 - Mm. 81 00:03:10,779 --> 00:03:12,655 - I'm sorry. 82 00:03:12,697 --> 00:03:15,367 Mason shouldn't be grieving his husband. 83 00:03:15,408 --> 00:03:17,118 When we were at Hampton, Mason was 84 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,162 the life of our marching band. 85 00:03:19,204 --> 00:03:21,498 And he got me through a lot when you were in the hospital, 86 00:03:21,539 --> 00:03:22,874 so I got to be there for him. 87 00:03:22,916 --> 00:03:25,335 But it's not looking good, Alec. 88 00:03:25,377 --> 00:03:27,879 His expert witness bailed on him last minute. 89 00:03:27,921 --> 00:03:29,631 - Expert in name only. 90 00:03:29,673 --> 00:03:32,384 - Look, I know you detest the whole expert witness racket, 91 00:03:32,425 --> 00:03:35,553 but Mason won't win without one. 92 00:03:35,595 --> 00:03:38,348 We both know it can help sway a jury. 93 00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:40,600 Mason says that they got a long list 94 00:03:40,642 --> 00:03:43,395 of potential psychologists. 95 00:03:43,436 --> 00:03:46,231 Could you at least help Mason vet them? 96 00:03:46,272 --> 00:03:48,525 - That's not really a request, is it? 97 00:03:48,566 --> 00:03:52,362 - Mason is taking on the entire District of Columbia. 98 00:03:52,404 --> 00:03:53,947 I know you won't sit that out. 99 00:03:59,661 --> 00:04:03,581 - I appreciate you helping us out like this, Alec. 100 00:04:03,623 --> 00:04:07,544 Losing our expert has been a bit overwhelming. 101 00:04:07,585 --> 00:04:08,962 - I'll do what I can. 102 00:04:09,003 --> 00:04:11,589 But expert testimony in officer-involved 103 00:04:11,631 --> 00:04:15,051 shootings is 90% snake oil-- 104 00:04:15,093 --> 00:04:19,431 paid actors who use science to play on jurors' emotions. 105 00:04:19,472 --> 00:04:22,434 - But we still need one on our side. 106 00:04:22,475 --> 00:04:26,479 There's a list of potential experts. 107 00:04:29,733 --> 00:04:31,651 - I'd scrap these first three. 108 00:04:31,693 --> 00:04:34,279 They testified for both sides, and any good defense 109 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,780 lawyer will pick them apart. 110 00:04:35,822 --> 00:04:38,575 These last five are all convincing, 111 00:04:38,616 --> 00:04:41,327 and they're marginally more ethical than the rest. 112 00:04:41,369 --> 00:04:42,954 It'll be easier to recommend one 113 00:04:42,996 --> 00:04:44,831 if I know who they're up against. 114 00:04:46,416 --> 00:04:48,084 - His name is Dr.-- 115 00:04:48,126 --> 00:04:50,712 - Dustin Atwood. 116 00:04:50,754 --> 00:04:53,673 Never met a police shooting he couldn't justify-- 117 00:04:53,715 --> 00:04:57,594 dual PhDs in experimental psychology and neuroscience, 118 00:04:57,635 --> 00:04:59,679 morals of a jackal. 119 00:04:59,721 --> 00:05:02,682 - Well, our expert said he bailed for personal reasons. 120 00:05:02,724 --> 00:05:04,351 But I don't think it's a coincidence this 121 00:05:04,392 --> 00:05:06,311 happened after I told him Dr. Atwood 122 00:05:06,353 --> 00:05:07,479 was on their witness list. 123 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,022 - He didn't want to take the loss. 124 00:05:09,064 --> 00:05:11,483 If he's on the stand and you lose, it hurts his pay quote. 125 00:05:11,524 --> 00:05:15,570 And Atwood's tactics are nearly unbeatable. 126 00:05:15,612 --> 00:05:16,988 - Why is that? 127 00:05:17,030 --> 00:05:19,324 - Atwood is a master at cherry-picking 128 00:05:19,366 --> 00:05:22,577 psychological principles to support cops. 129 00:05:22,619 --> 00:05:25,455 No one on this list has a chance against him. 130 00:05:26,664 --> 00:05:28,583 - You know anyone who can beat him? 131 00:05:29,667 --> 00:05:34,297 - Only one person, me. 132 00:05:37,342 --> 00:05:39,386 * * 133 00:05:39,427 --> 00:05:41,596 all: Justice for Joshua! Justice for Joshua! 134 00:05:41,638 --> 00:05:44,683 Justice for Joshua! Justice for Joshua! 135 00:05:44,724 --> 00:05:46,476 - The atmosphere is tense outside this D.C. 136 00:05:46,518 --> 00:05:47,811 courtroom today. 137 00:05:47,852 --> 00:05:49,729 Protests, as you can see behind me, 138 00:05:49,771 --> 00:05:53,024 are mounting as Mason Hill-Jones's civil lawsuit 139 00:05:53,066 --> 00:05:54,526 looms over the city. 140 00:05:54,567 --> 00:05:56,861 all: Justice for Joshua! Justice for Joshua! 141 00:05:56,903 --> 00:06:00,115 Justice for Joshua! Justice for Joshua! 142 00:06:00,156 --> 00:06:03,535 Justice for Joshua! Justice for Joshua! 143 00:06:03,576 --> 00:06:04,661 Justice for Joshua! 144 00:06:04,703 --> 00:06:06,496 - This is where we part ways. 145 00:06:06,538 --> 00:06:07,997 Good luck in there today. 146 00:06:08,039 --> 00:06:09,749 - The facts of the case and psychological data 147 00:06:09,791 --> 00:06:11,292 speak for themselves. 148 00:06:11,334 --> 00:06:12,502 You go out there and make some noise. 149 00:06:12,544 --> 00:06:14,713 all: Justice for Joshua! Justice for Joshua! 150 00:06:14,754 --> 00:06:18,174 Justice for Joshua! Justice for Joshua! 151 00:06:18,216 --> 00:06:19,801 Justice for Joshua! 152 00:06:27,434 --> 00:06:28,643 - Mercer. 153 00:06:28,685 --> 00:06:31,021 Hey, it's been a while. 154 00:06:31,062 --> 00:06:32,897 - Dustin, long time. 155 00:06:32,939 --> 00:06:34,566 - Too long. 156 00:06:34,607 --> 00:06:38,278 Well, looks like we are a pretty big deal. 157 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:40,697 - I got to say, I'm surprised to see you here. 158 00:06:40,739 --> 00:06:42,824 You know, I certainly hope they paid you a fortune, 159 00:06:42,866 --> 00:06:46,244 because taking an L on such a high-profile trial would not 160 00:06:46,286 --> 00:06:48,079 be good for your future quote. 161 00:06:48,121 --> 00:06:50,165 - I'm more concerned with the case than my batting average. 162 00:06:50,206 --> 00:06:53,001 But if I get in trouble, I could do what you do-- 163 00:06:53,043 --> 00:06:56,046 twist the science and sound folksy. 164 00:06:56,087 --> 00:06:57,339 - Folksy? - Mm. 165 00:06:57,380 --> 00:06:59,341 - Hmm. 166 00:06:59,382 --> 00:07:00,425 See you inside, Mercer. 167 00:07:00,467 --> 00:07:03,428 "Folksy." 168 00:07:03,470 --> 00:07:05,972 That's a good one. 169 00:07:13,355 --> 00:07:14,564 - Hey. 170 00:07:14,606 --> 00:07:15,690 We need to go. 171 00:07:15,732 --> 00:07:16,816 Hello? - Sorry. 172 00:07:16,858 --> 00:07:18,443 Could you hold a second? Hey. 173 00:07:18,485 --> 00:07:19,652 I just got ahold of the witness list 174 00:07:19,694 --> 00:07:20,737 for the Hill-Jones case. 175 00:07:20,779 --> 00:07:23,448 Joy Reid wants Alec and Atwood. 176 00:07:23,490 --> 00:07:24,991 - That's really exciting. 177 00:07:25,033 --> 00:07:26,576 Only, the professor said he's not 178 00:07:26,618 --> 00:07:27,994 doing interviews about this trial, 179 00:07:28,036 --> 00:07:30,663 and he's not giving Atwood free press. 180 00:07:30,705 --> 00:07:33,166 - But aren't these cases won in the media? 181 00:07:33,208 --> 00:07:34,584 - It's not my call. 182 00:07:34,626 --> 00:07:35,794 Let him down nicely. 183 00:07:35,835 --> 00:07:37,337 We have work to do. 184 00:08:00,694 --> 00:08:03,363 - All rise. 185 00:08:03,405 --> 00:08:06,032 Docket number 125432, 186 00:08:06,074 --> 00:08:09,285 Mason Hill-Jones versus the District of Columbia, 187 00:08:09,327 --> 00:08:11,496 Judge Jane Yuun presiding. 188 00:08:15,291 --> 00:08:16,960 - District Attorney Navarro, 189 00:08:17,001 --> 00:08:20,255 your office requested the no-knock warrant. 190 00:08:20,296 --> 00:08:22,757 Why was that necessary? 191 00:08:22,799 --> 00:08:25,385 - We received a tip that an illegal gun dealer 192 00:08:25,427 --> 00:08:27,762 was working out of a house on the same street 193 00:08:27,804 --> 00:08:29,389 as Mason and Joshua. 194 00:08:29,431 --> 00:08:31,224 I filed for a no-knock warrant. 195 00:08:31,266 --> 00:08:34,227 The VIPER squad was tasked with a high-risk arrest. 196 00:08:34,269 --> 00:08:36,479 - But they ended up at the wrong house. 197 00:08:36,521 --> 00:08:37,772 - Correct. 198 00:08:37,814 --> 00:08:39,941 - Why was that? 199 00:08:41,234 --> 00:08:43,862 - There was a typo on the warrant. 200 00:08:45,363 --> 00:08:49,117 - Judge Haynes, you signed the warrant? 201 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:50,368 - Yes. 202 00:08:50,410 --> 00:08:52,912 After reviewing the warrant from DA Navarro, 203 00:08:52,954 --> 00:08:55,582 I believed a no-knock raid was necessary given 204 00:08:55,623 --> 00:08:56,791 the target's threat level. 205 00:08:56,833 --> 00:08:58,251 - So how did the VIPER squad end up 206 00:08:58,293 --> 00:08:59,753 at the plaintiff's house? 207 00:08:59,794 --> 00:09:01,546 - I wish I could tell you. 208 00:09:01,588 --> 00:09:06,134 It appears to have been a very tragic case of human error. 209 00:09:07,802 --> 00:09:09,512 - Miss Styles, you're the court clerk 210 00:09:09,554 --> 00:09:11,431 who processed the warrant, correct? 211 00:09:11,473 --> 00:09:13,016 - Yes. 212 00:09:13,058 --> 00:09:14,851 - Can you explain how this human error happened? 213 00:09:14,893 --> 00:09:16,978 - Our systems had been down for over a week, 214 00:09:17,020 --> 00:09:21,107 so we were processing warrants manually. 215 00:09:21,149 --> 00:09:23,735 I must have made a mistake when I wrote it up. 216 00:09:23,777 --> 00:09:27,614 - And you were the only one reprimanded for this incident? 217 00:09:27,655 --> 00:09:30,158 - Yes, I was fired. 218 00:09:30,950 --> 00:09:33,370 - See, Miss Styles may have been the only one fired, 219 00:09:33,411 --> 00:09:36,122 but she wasn't the only person to make a mistake-- 220 00:09:36,164 --> 00:09:39,793 more than a mistake, a dereliction of duty. 221 00:09:39,834 --> 00:09:41,461 Now, let's take a look at who exactly 222 00:09:41,503 --> 00:09:45,006 was sent to this wrong address, 223 00:09:45,048 --> 00:09:47,801 basically a kill squad. 224 00:09:47,842 --> 00:09:51,429 - My husband was up late working in his office. 225 00:09:51,471 --> 00:09:52,972 I went to bed around midnight. 226 00:09:53,014 --> 00:09:55,141 It was about 2:20 a.m. when I hear 227 00:09:55,183 --> 00:09:57,227 this loud crash downstairs. 228 00:09:58,353 --> 00:09:59,771 The force was so strong. 229 00:09:59,813 --> 00:10:01,690 I could feel it in our bedroom, like a car had just 230 00:10:01,731 --> 00:10:02,649 run through the front door. 231 00:10:02,691 --> 00:10:05,360 Stay here. 232 00:10:05,402 --> 00:10:06,903 The next thing I heard was gunfire. 233 00:10:09,656 --> 00:10:11,241 I didn't think it would ever stop. 234 00:10:11,282 --> 00:10:13,827 - Your husband was a building inspector. 235 00:10:13,868 --> 00:10:15,620 Is that right? - Yes, he was. 236 00:10:15,662 --> 00:10:18,623 - And you said your husband was working at 2:00 a.m. 237 00:10:18,665 --> 00:10:22,335 Is it typical for a building inspector to be up so late? 238 00:10:22,377 --> 00:10:23,211 - Sometimes. 239 00:10:23,253 --> 00:10:24,671 What kind of question is that? 240 00:10:24,713 --> 00:10:27,841 - Court records state the two of you had been fighting. 241 00:10:27,882 --> 00:10:29,009 Is that correct? 242 00:10:29,050 --> 00:10:30,385 - Objection, Your Honor. 243 00:10:30,427 --> 00:10:31,678 Relevance? 244 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,847 - I'm getting to Joshua's state of mind 245 00:10:33,888 --> 00:10:35,890 when he encountered those officers. 246 00:10:35,932 --> 00:10:38,893 - I'll allow it. 247 00:10:38,935 --> 00:10:40,353 - He'd been working late, and it was causing 248 00:10:40,395 --> 00:10:43,898 some issues between us, but it wasn't a big deal. 249 00:10:43,940 --> 00:10:47,110 - So there was tension in the home? 250 00:10:47,152 --> 00:10:49,029 - No. - You had been fighting. 251 00:10:49,070 --> 00:10:50,447 He'd been staying up all night. 252 00:10:50,488 --> 00:10:52,741 It's possible, due to a lack of sleep, 253 00:10:52,782 --> 00:10:54,743 while in a state of rage, 254 00:10:54,784 --> 00:10:57,370 Joshua Hill-Jones charged those officers 255 00:10:57,412 --> 00:10:58,580 leaving them no choice. 256 00:10:58,621 --> 00:10:59,622 - Objection, Your Honor. 257 00:10:59,664 --> 00:11:01,332 The defense is speculating. 258 00:11:01,374 --> 00:11:02,876 - Plaintiff will answer the question. 259 00:11:02,917 --> 00:11:04,836 - Joshua was afraid, OK? 260 00:11:04,878 --> 00:11:07,547 You may not think that Black men gets scared, but we do. 261 00:11:07,589 --> 00:11:10,050 Those cops came into our house at 2:00 a.m., 262 00:11:10,091 --> 00:11:11,551 and they never announced themselves 263 00:11:11,593 --> 00:11:12,719 like they were supposed to do. 264 00:11:12,761 --> 00:11:14,262 We did nothing wrong. 265 00:11:14,304 --> 00:11:15,889 They were looking to kill somebody, 266 00:11:15,930 --> 00:11:18,433 and they killed my husband! 267 00:11:20,435 --> 00:11:23,396 - Please state your name and title for the court. 268 00:11:23,438 --> 00:11:26,649 - I'm Sergeant Lawrence Powell, team leader 269 00:11:26,691 --> 00:11:30,362 of the Violent Incident Person Evaluation and Response Unit. 270 00:11:30,403 --> 00:11:32,238 - Can you explain to the court the events 271 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,949 that led to your team shooting an unarmed man? 272 00:11:34,991 --> 00:11:36,242 - Objection, Your Honor. 273 00:11:36,284 --> 00:11:37,827 - I'll rephrase. 274 00:11:37,869 --> 00:11:41,081 Please detail what transpired once the VIPER Squad arrived 275 00:11:41,122 --> 00:11:42,749 at the Hill-Jones residence. 276 00:11:42,791 --> 00:11:45,251 - The resident charged at us. 277 00:11:45,293 --> 00:11:46,711 We were told we were walking into the home 278 00:11:46,753 --> 00:11:48,505 of a dangerous arms dealer. 279 00:11:48,546 --> 00:11:50,757 We thought he had a weapon and opened fire 280 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:51,841 to protect ourselves. 281 00:11:59,182 --> 00:12:01,101 - You didn't fire your weapon, correct? 282 00:12:01,142 --> 00:12:03,645 - I didn't need to, because the rest of my squad 283 00:12:03,687 --> 00:12:05,522 had neutralized the threat. 284 00:12:05,563 --> 00:12:07,107 - And by neutralized the threat, 285 00:12:07,148 --> 00:12:08,900 you mean they had killed Joshua? 286 00:12:08,942 --> 00:12:11,152 - We followed protocol and immediately 287 00:12:11,194 --> 00:12:13,780 sought medical attention for Mr. Hill-Jones, 288 00:12:13,822 --> 00:12:17,367 but it was too late. 289 00:12:17,409 --> 00:12:20,537 - There's a widely held psychological misconception-- 290 00:12:20,578 --> 00:12:23,289 a false belief contradicted by scientific evidence-- 291 00:12:23,331 --> 00:12:26,209 that cops constantly get into firefights. 292 00:12:26,251 --> 00:12:32,382 But 73% never fire their gun once in their entire careers. 293 00:12:32,424 --> 00:12:34,426 - Why is this important to note, Dr. Mercer? 294 00:12:34,467 --> 00:12:36,761 - One of the things this data shows is, 295 00:12:36,803 --> 00:12:39,556 there are many ways to de-escalate 296 00:12:39,597 --> 00:12:41,891 a dangerous situation. 297 00:12:41,933 --> 00:12:44,185 - Dr. Mercer can trot out shooting stats 298 00:12:44,227 --> 00:12:46,771 all he wants, but we have to look at this incident 299 00:12:46,813 --> 00:12:48,648 from the perspective of the officers. 300 00:12:48,690 --> 00:12:52,861 They walked into that house expecting an armed criminal 301 00:12:52,902 --> 00:12:54,571 who might kill them. 302 00:12:54,612 --> 00:12:57,407 And yet three out of the four officers entering Joshua 303 00:12:57,449 --> 00:13:00,160 and Mason's house fired their gun at an unarmed man. 304 00:13:00,201 --> 00:13:02,370 Why is the VIPER Squad so much more violent? 305 00:13:02,412 --> 00:13:04,247 They have the highest shoot rate. 306 00:13:04,289 --> 00:13:07,042 In three years, they've shot 12 people, killing 5. 307 00:13:07,083 --> 00:13:09,169 - Research shows that once a person fires 308 00:13:09,210 --> 00:13:11,504 in the line of duty, the psychological barrier 309 00:13:11,546 --> 00:13:14,341 to doing so drops significantly. 310 00:13:14,382 --> 00:13:16,509 It becomes easier for them to shoot again. 311 00:13:16,551 --> 00:13:19,763 And do these no-knock raids push the statistical risk 312 00:13:19,804 --> 00:13:21,222 even higher? 313 00:13:21,264 --> 00:13:24,267 - Yes, given every member of the VIPER squad 314 00:13:24,309 --> 00:13:27,645 had fired multiple times in the past, that raid was 315 00:13:27,687 --> 00:13:29,731 a disaster waiting to happen. 316 00:13:29,773 --> 00:13:32,359 - The VIPER squad is a tactical unit. 317 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,111 Is it possible their shoot rate is higher 318 00:13:35,153 --> 00:13:37,405 because they encounter more dangerous situations? 319 00:13:37,447 --> 00:13:40,200 - The VIPER squad's record is such an outlier 320 00:13:40,241 --> 00:13:42,744 it's hard to justify simply by the situations 321 00:13:42,786 --> 00:13:44,287 they find themselves in. 322 00:13:44,329 --> 00:13:46,873 - Sounds to me like you're cherry-picking the data. 323 00:13:46,915 --> 00:13:48,041 - Objection. 324 00:13:49,667 --> 00:13:52,921 - Can you explain what happens to the brain 325 00:13:52,962 --> 00:13:55,090 in such an intense experience? 326 00:13:55,131 --> 00:13:57,008 - It's a fight-or-flight response. 327 00:13:57,050 --> 00:13:58,259 We've all felt it. 328 00:13:58,301 --> 00:14:00,220 In emergencies, the amygdala sends 329 00:14:00,261 --> 00:14:03,598 a distress signal that floods the body and brain 330 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,225 with survival hormones. 331 00:14:05,266 --> 00:14:08,645 Under those circumstances, any officer 332 00:14:08,687 --> 00:14:09,979 could have taken the shot. 333 00:14:10,021 --> 00:14:12,732 - Is it true there is no specific research studying 334 00:14:12,774 --> 00:14:16,069 an officer's brain chemistry during a shooting incident 335 00:14:16,111 --> 00:14:17,487 to back up your testimony? 336 00:14:17,529 --> 00:14:19,823 - Well, there's simply no plausible way 337 00:14:19,864 --> 00:14:22,951 to gather that information, even in simulation. 338 00:14:22,992 --> 00:14:24,536 - But you have used your position 339 00:14:24,577 --> 00:14:27,038 to block any attempt from researchers to gather 340 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:28,415 that data and run those tests. 341 00:14:28,456 --> 00:14:31,000 Isn't that right, Dr. Atwood? 342 00:14:31,042 --> 00:14:33,628 - Well, the fact is, we haven't really 343 00:14:33,670 --> 00:14:36,798 needed those studies, because there's plenty of research 344 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,717 on humans under stress. 345 00:14:38,758 --> 00:14:40,176 And the last time I checked, 346 00:14:40,218 --> 00:14:44,597 cops are humans who are willing to risk their lives 347 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:49,352 to protect you and me. 348 00:14:49,394 --> 00:14:51,896 - Atwood recovered, but we got a jab in there. 349 00:14:51,938 --> 00:14:52,897 What do you think? 350 00:14:52,939 --> 00:14:54,315 - Hard to tell. 351 00:14:54,357 --> 00:14:56,192 I was tracking the jurors' body language. 352 00:14:56,234 --> 00:14:58,945 They went cold during Mason's testimony, 353 00:14:58,987 --> 00:15:00,488 often avoiding eye contact. 354 00:15:00,530 --> 00:15:03,783 And they didn't even seem fazed by the cops' haste 355 00:15:03,825 --> 00:15:06,786 nor the mistakes made processing the warrant. 356 00:15:06,828 --> 00:15:09,956 - So we're screwed. 357 00:15:09,998 --> 00:15:11,291 - Everything OK? 358 00:15:11,332 --> 00:15:13,877 - No, everything's not OK. 359 00:15:13,918 --> 00:15:15,503 - Alec's testimony didn't help? 360 00:15:15,545 --> 00:15:17,630 - I don't think it was enough to win over the jury. 361 00:15:17,672 --> 00:15:20,508 - This jury won't be swayed by science. 362 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:23,136 Start with juror preconceived bias. 363 00:15:23,178 --> 00:15:24,721 - What's that? 364 00:15:24,763 --> 00:15:27,474 - In a lot of trials, jurors walk in irrationally 365 00:15:27,515 --> 00:15:30,268 predisposed to a particular verdict-- in this case, 366 00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:32,312 one that favors the cops. 367 00:15:32,354 --> 00:15:34,105 - Then how do you persuade a jury whose 368 00:15:34,147 --> 00:15:35,523 minds are already made up? 369 00:15:35,565 --> 00:15:38,568 - We need to find a new approach or Mason loses. 370 00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:48,828 - I haven't even made funeral arrangements yet. 371 00:15:50,330 --> 00:15:53,750 And here you are digging up stuff from the past. 372 00:15:53,792 --> 00:15:56,127 Peter was a good boy. 373 00:15:56,169 --> 00:15:57,921 - He blew up a church, Mrs. Shelby. 374 00:15:57,962 --> 00:16:02,175 If he had good intentions, help us understand. 375 00:16:02,217 --> 00:16:04,427 - I don't know what you're talking about. 376 00:16:04,469 --> 00:16:06,513 - Are you aware that your son belonged 377 00:16:06,554 --> 00:16:08,306 to a terrorist organization? 378 00:16:08,348 --> 00:16:09,766 Terrorist? 379 00:16:09,808 --> 00:16:12,394 You government types only labeled the New Apostles 380 00:16:12,435 --> 00:16:14,020 terrorists after 9/11. 381 00:16:14,062 --> 00:16:17,565 Thanks to you people, I haven't seen him for 20 years. 382 00:16:17,607 --> 00:16:19,109 - Your son ran because he set off 383 00:16:19,150 --> 00:16:20,902 a bomb that killed 13 people. 384 00:16:20,944 --> 00:16:21,903 He's no martyr. 385 00:16:21,945 --> 00:16:23,238 He's a murderer. 386 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:24,739 - Don't talk about him like that. 387 00:16:24,781 --> 00:16:26,741 - He was a sinner who desecrated the House of God. 388 00:16:26,783 --> 00:16:28,451 - It was an accident. 389 00:16:28,493 --> 00:16:30,787 All he wanted to do was return this country to its roots, 390 00:16:30,829 --> 00:16:33,748 to make us moral, God-fearing people again. 391 00:16:33,790 --> 00:16:37,293 - So you did speak to him about the church bombing? 392 00:16:40,338 --> 00:16:47,470 * * 393 00:16:50,932 --> 00:16:52,642 - Let me ask you something. 394 00:16:52,684 --> 00:16:56,646 Do you think the justice system treats all Americans equally? 395 00:16:59,107 --> 00:17:00,650 - There are two systems, 396 00:17:00,692 --> 00:17:03,611 one when you are poor or Black, 397 00:17:03,653 --> 00:17:06,239 another when you are middle class or white. 398 00:17:06,281 --> 00:17:08,116 And there might be a third-- 399 00:17:08,158 --> 00:17:09,200 another for the super-rich. 400 00:17:09,242 --> 00:17:11,745 They get away with everything. 401 00:17:11,786 --> 00:17:13,872 - What would it take to convince you otherwise? 402 00:17:13,913 --> 00:17:16,082 - A word from God Himself. 403 00:17:16,124 --> 00:17:18,418 Otherwise, those are the facts. 404 00:17:18,460 --> 00:17:19,753 - That's the crux of our problem. 405 00:17:19,794 --> 00:17:22,422 Not everyone grows up being profiled 406 00:17:22,464 --> 00:17:24,382 or constantly pulled over. 407 00:17:24,424 --> 00:17:27,469 Those same people want to believe in equal justice. 408 00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:29,971 - People need to open their eyes. 409 00:17:30,013 --> 00:17:32,557 - Harder than you think because of motivated reasoning. 410 00:17:32,599 --> 00:17:34,476 When people have a belief, they usually connect 411 00:17:34,517 --> 00:17:36,311 to ideas that support it. 412 00:17:36,353 --> 00:17:39,105 That's the headspace most of the jurors are in. 413 00:17:39,147 --> 00:17:41,191 - So there's nothing we can do? 414 00:17:41,232 --> 00:17:42,817 I'm out there protesting every day, 415 00:17:42,859 --> 00:17:45,653 and you're saying none of that will make things better? 416 00:17:47,197 --> 00:17:49,532 - Better. 417 00:17:49,574 --> 00:17:52,327 That might be the key. 418 00:17:52,369 --> 00:17:54,412 A person can believe in something, 419 00:17:54,454 --> 00:17:56,206 like I believe in science, but there's 420 00:17:56,247 --> 00:18:00,585 always room for improvement. 421 00:18:00,627 --> 00:18:03,838 What if I tell the jury that they can make things better, 422 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,259 we find one thing that they can improve by siding with Mason, 423 00:18:08,301 --> 00:18:10,720 make the whole case about that? 424 00:18:10,762 --> 00:18:14,265 Broken is too hard a sell, so we sell better. 425 00:18:16,059 --> 00:18:17,310 - I'd buy that. 426 00:18:21,898 --> 00:18:23,191 What are you doing now? 427 00:18:23,233 --> 00:18:24,567 - I'm calling Phoebe and Rizwan. 428 00:18:24,609 --> 00:18:27,112 I got an idea for an experiment. 429 00:18:27,153 --> 00:18:29,948 Yesterday Dr. Atwood's testimony 430 00:18:29,989 --> 00:18:32,742 appeared fair and unbiased. 431 00:18:32,784 --> 00:18:36,204 The problem is, with paid experts 432 00:18:36,246 --> 00:18:39,249 like Dr. Atwood, that's never the case. 433 00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:41,835 Introducing money creates bias. 434 00:18:41,876 --> 00:18:44,963 I wanted to better understand how this bias works, 435 00:18:45,005 --> 00:18:48,717 so I conducted an experiment where I paid experts 436 00:18:48,758 --> 00:18:52,012 to give their opinion on a fictional case, 437 00:18:52,053 --> 00:18:54,431 a slip and fall in a hotel. 438 00:18:54,472 --> 00:18:57,058 All of them had the same facts in the case. 439 00:18:57,100 --> 00:18:58,560 The only difference? 440 00:18:58,601 --> 00:19:02,230 Which side the person was on paying them. 441 00:19:02,272 --> 00:19:06,901 Almost all the experts argued for the side paying them. 442 00:19:06,943 --> 00:19:09,612 If the defense paid, the expert's opinion 443 00:19:09,654 --> 00:19:11,364 sided with the defense. 444 00:19:11,406 --> 00:19:13,992 Same for the plaintiff. 445 00:19:14,034 --> 00:19:15,577 That's bias. 446 00:19:15,618 --> 00:19:18,204 And it makes you question the motivation 447 00:19:18,246 --> 00:19:20,373 behind Dr. Atwood's testimony. 448 00:19:20,415 --> 00:19:21,374 - Objection. 449 00:19:21,416 --> 00:19:23,084 - I'll move on. 450 00:19:23,126 --> 00:19:25,879 In your scientific opinion, how do we remedy this bias? 451 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:31,009 - We have a wonderful system, in theory-- 452 00:19:31,051 --> 00:19:34,763 equal justice for all, but it's not perfect-- 453 00:19:34,804 --> 00:19:36,056 yet. 454 00:19:36,097 --> 00:19:42,395 People tend to say it's only a few bad apples, 455 00:19:42,437 --> 00:19:46,608 but those bad apples spoil the whole bunch. 456 00:19:46,649 --> 00:19:49,694 Juries like this one have the chance 457 00:19:49,736 --> 00:19:53,865 to get rid of the bad apples and protect the bunch. 458 00:19:53,907 --> 00:19:57,452 - Dr. Mercer, you work as a consultant. 459 00:19:57,494 --> 00:19:58,453 Is that right? 460 00:19:58,495 --> 00:19:59,913 - I'm a professor first. 461 00:19:59,954 --> 00:20:02,791 But yes, sometimes I work as a consultant. 462 00:20:02,832 --> 00:20:05,335 - And when you do consult, you're paid 463 00:20:05,377 --> 00:20:07,420 upwards of $100,000 a day? 464 00:20:07,462 --> 00:20:08,755 - Depending on the client. 465 00:20:08,797 --> 00:20:11,341 For this, I'm not making a dime. 466 00:20:18,473 --> 00:20:20,266 "I'm not making a dime." 467 00:20:20,308 --> 00:20:21,643 Boom. 468 00:20:21,685 --> 00:20:23,978 I wish I could have seen it. 469 00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:25,438 - We need five jurors. 470 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,774 We have four with two possibilities. 471 00:20:27,816 --> 00:20:30,985 - That's one juror closer to a win. 472 00:20:37,325 --> 00:20:39,327 Cop's behind me. 473 00:20:39,369 --> 00:20:40,495 He's going to pull me over. 474 00:20:43,373 --> 00:20:44,708 I knew it. 475 00:20:44,749 --> 00:20:46,126 - Pull over to the side of the road. 476 00:20:46,167 --> 00:20:47,127 - Stay calm. 477 00:20:47,168 --> 00:20:49,045 Let me talk. 478 00:20:49,087 --> 00:20:50,422 - I don't need instructions. 479 00:20:50,463 --> 00:20:54,551 I know the damn drill. 480 00:20:54,592 --> 00:21:01,725 * * 481 00:21:08,231 --> 00:21:10,358 * * 482 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,526 - License and registration, ma'am. 483 00:21:11,568 --> 00:21:14,571 * * 484 00:21:22,579 --> 00:21:25,081 * * 485 00:21:25,123 --> 00:21:28,293 - You drifted over the solid white line. 486 00:21:28,334 --> 00:21:29,377 You been drinking tonight? 487 00:21:29,419 --> 00:21:33,089 * * 488 00:21:33,131 --> 00:21:35,592 - Nope, just Diet Coke. 489 00:21:35,633 --> 00:21:36,676 - So you wouldn't mind submitting 490 00:21:36,718 --> 00:21:38,178 to a field sobriety test then? 491 00:21:38,219 --> 00:21:40,055 * * 492 00:21:40,096 --> 00:21:42,974 - Nothing would make my evening more complete. 493 00:21:43,016 --> 00:21:49,731 * * 494 00:21:49,773 --> 00:21:52,359 - I'm going to need you to walk in a straight line, 495 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,902 one foot behind the other, 496 00:21:53,943 --> 00:21:58,406 counting down from 1,001 by 3s. 497 00:21:58,448 --> 00:22:04,245 * * 498 00:22:04,287 --> 00:22:06,539 - 1,001, 499 00:22:06,581 --> 00:22:12,295 998, 995-- 500 00:22:12,337 --> 00:22:15,048 is this really necessary? 501 00:22:15,090 --> 00:22:18,009 * * 502 00:22:18,051 --> 00:22:19,552 - Keep counting. 503 00:22:19,594 --> 00:22:22,013 * * 504 00:22:22,055 --> 00:22:23,973 - No part of this calls for a gun. 505 00:22:24,015 --> 00:22:25,809 She's shaking with adrenaline. 506 00:22:25,850 --> 00:22:27,268 He's going to make her count backwards 507 00:22:27,310 --> 00:22:28,645 until she stumbles forward. 508 00:22:28,687 --> 00:22:30,772 - No one is talking to you. 509 00:22:30,814 --> 00:22:33,608 He's dealing with your sister. 510 00:22:33,650 --> 00:22:35,276 - You know she's my sister? 511 00:22:35,318 --> 00:22:37,153 This wasn't random? 512 00:22:37,195 --> 00:22:39,447 You're targeting us? 513 00:22:39,489 --> 00:22:41,491 - She crossed the lane divider without signaling. 514 00:22:41,533 --> 00:22:43,410 - We both know what this is about. 515 00:22:43,451 --> 00:22:44,828 She's got nothing to do with it. 516 00:22:44,869 --> 00:22:47,997 You can take me in if you want and deal 517 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:52,669 with cleaning up that mess in the press, 518 00:22:52,711 --> 00:22:54,713 or let her go. 519 00:22:54,754 --> 00:22:59,467 * * 520 00:22:59,509 --> 00:23:01,177 - Hey. 521 00:23:01,219 --> 00:23:02,178 She clear? 522 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:05,807 * * 523 00:23:05,849 --> 00:23:08,101 - I'm not sure yet. 524 00:23:08,143 --> 00:23:09,519 - She seems fine. 525 00:23:09,561 --> 00:23:11,187 Let's get out of here. 526 00:23:11,229 --> 00:23:17,277 * * 527 00:23:20,530 --> 00:23:27,620 * * 528 00:23:31,374 --> 00:23:32,375 - Hey. 529 00:23:32,417 --> 00:23:33,877 Catch you at a bad time? 530 00:23:33,918 --> 00:23:37,422 - Even if you did, it wouldn't matter. 531 00:23:37,464 --> 00:23:40,175 Bob Caswood, come in? 532 00:23:40,216 --> 00:23:43,345 To what do I owe this surprise visit? 533 00:23:43,386 --> 00:23:46,681 Something I can help the intelligence division with? 534 00:23:46,723 --> 00:23:47,891 - Oh, there's no agenda. 535 00:23:47,932 --> 00:23:50,143 Just stopped by for a little chat. 536 00:23:50,185 --> 00:23:52,395 - I worked under you for ten years. 537 00:23:52,437 --> 00:23:54,105 You don't just stop by. 538 00:23:54,147 --> 00:23:55,648 You're a busy man. 539 00:23:55,690 --> 00:23:58,068 So why did you take the time out of your day to come here? 540 00:23:58,109 --> 00:23:59,652 - Always the investigator, huh? 541 00:23:59,694 --> 00:24:01,988 - Someone taught me well. 542 00:24:02,030 --> 00:24:03,239 - Fine. 543 00:24:03,281 --> 00:24:05,075 Well, I'll just come right out and say it. 544 00:24:05,116 --> 00:24:07,243 Now, you know that I like to keep my ear 545 00:24:07,285 --> 00:24:09,412 close to the street, and there's been 546 00:24:09,454 --> 00:24:12,248 rumblings about you and Jace. 547 00:24:14,376 --> 00:24:16,294 - That was fast. 548 00:24:16,336 --> 00:24:17,921 - We are intelligence. 549 00:24:17,962 --> 00:24:21,216 - It's not like we're the first agents at the Bureau 550 00:24:21,257 --> 00:24:22,467 to get involved. 551 00:24:22,509 --> 00:24:25,512 We don't have many opportunities off the job. 552 00:24:25,553 --> 00:24:26,930 - I get it. 553 00:24:26,971 --> 00:24:28,431 I just wouldn't be a good friend if I 554 00:24:28,473 --> 00:24:30,517 didn't give you a heads-up. 555 00:24:30,558 --> 00:24:32,602 - Everything is a conflict. 556 00:24:32,644 --> 00:24:34,270 Now it's about me dating Jace. 557 00:24:34,312 --> 00:24:36,773 Someone going to question my involvement 558 00:24:36,815 --> 00:24:38,316 in Alec's case next? 559 00:24:39,734 --> 00:24:41,444 - Maybe. 560 00:24:41,486 --> 00:24:45,031 Hey, it's not my call, but if you want justice to play out, 561 00:24:45,073 --> 00:24:46,700 I would avoid doing anything that 562 00:24:46,741 --> 00:24:49,744 would compromise the investigation, 563 00:24:49,786 --> 00:24:51,371 because like most things in life-- 564 00:24:51,413 --> 00:24:53,498 - It's the optics. 565 00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:55,709 - It's the optics. 566 00:24:57,794 --> 00:24:59,337 - Where you are. 567 00:24:59,379 --> 00:25:01,464 - I don't have the problem. - Classism. Classism. 568 00:25:01,506 --> 00:25:02,674 You are constantly-- 569 00:25:02,716 --> 00:25:04,592 - Someone needs to check her. - Hey. 570 00:25:07,762 --> 00:25:10,974 Mm-mm. Mm. 571 00:25:11,016 --> 00:25:14,310 Mm. - Don't go there with me. 572 00:25:14,352 --> 00:25:15,395 - Excuse you. 573 00:25:15,437 --> 00:25:17,397 I'm watching that. 574 00:25:17,439 --> 00:25:19,024 - You've been watching this trash since I 575 00:25:19,065 --> 00:25:20,191 went to bed last night. 576 00:25:20,233 --> 00:25:21,234 - OK. 577 00:25:21,276 --> 00:25:22,652 Where's the problem? 578 00:25:22,694 --> 00:25:24,070 - Studies show-- 579 00:25:24,112 --> 00:25:26,364 - I'll pass on the Mercer monologue. 580 00:25:26,406 --> 00:25:30,452 - Fine, no monologue. 581 00:25:30,493 --> 00:25:31,828 But we should talk about this. 582 00:25:31,870 --> 00:25:36,666 - No, we shouldn't, because I'll scream. 583 00:25:36,708 --> 00:25:39,627 And I don't want to scream at you, 584 00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:40,962 but you're the only one here. 585 00:25:41,004 --> 00:25:43,465 So I will if you force me to talk about my feelings 586 00:25:43,506 --> 00:25:45,008 right now. 587 00:25:45,050 --> 00:25:48,845 All I want to do is watch "Housewives of Potomac" 588 00:25:48,887 --> 00:25:51,890 and focus on other people's problems. 589 00:25:54,225 --> 00:25:58,104 - You'd rather suppress your feelings 590 00:25:58,146 --> 00:26:00,899 by watching housewives throw lettuce at each other. 591 00:26:03,068 --> 00:26:05,070 You can't help yourself, can you? 592 00:26:07,322 --> 00:26:11,493 - It probably isn't a good idea, but OK. 593 00:26:11,534 --> 00:26:13,286 - Mia, I don't believe that you called us 594 00:26:13,328 --> 00:26:14,704 broke bitches when you walked off. 595 00:26:16,247 --> 00:26:17,457 - Are you serious right now? - Let's do it. 596 00:26:17,499 --> 00:26:20,543 Let's give a toast to forgiveness. 597 00:26:22,879 --> 00:26:23,838 - Hey, Mason. 598 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,049 What's up? 599 00:26:26,091 --> 00:26:29,386 I'll be right there. 600 00:26:29,427 --> 00:26:31,763 - Mason OK? 601 00:26:31,805 --> 00:26:34,766 - The defense made an offer. 602 00:26:34,808 --> 00:26:37,018 They want to settle the case. 603 00:26:41,106 --> 00:26:42,732 - 3 million is a good offer. 604 00:26:42,774 --> 00:26:44,192 - Is it? 605 00:26:44,234 --> 00:26:46,027 It's like they're forcing me to decide how much 606 00:26:46,069 --> 00:26:47,779 my dead husband is worth. 607 00:26:47,821 --> 00:26:48,822 So what? 608 00:26:48,863 --> 00:26:50,365 It's over now? 609 00:26:50,407 --> 00:26:52,117 Nothing about this makes any sense. 610 00:26:52,158 --> 00:26:53,410 Alec got through to the jury, 611 00:26:53,451 --> 00:26:54,786 pushed this settlement to happen. 612 00:26:54,828 --> 00:26:56,413 This is what we wanted. 613 00:26:56,454 --> 00:26:58,832 There's no such thing as good news in this situation, 614 00:26:58,873 --> 00:27:00,959 but we need to take this offer seriously. 615 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,419 - Defense makes an offer. 616 00:27:02,460 --> 00:27:04,003 They know it doesn't look good for them. 617 00:27:04,045 --> 00:27:05,839 - And we could still be short a juror. 618 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,465 My advice, we don't chance it. 619 00:27:07,507 --> 00:27:09,884 How about we look over the deal and counter? 620 00:27:09,926 --> 00:27:12,887 We can print it and review it line by line. 621 00:27:12,929 --> 00:27:15,390 - The printers in Joshua's office. 622 00:27:15,432 --> 00:27:18,476 I haven't touched anything there since. 623 00:27:20,812 --> 00:27:22,355 - We can go in with you. 624 00:27:25,358 --> 00:27:31,322 * * 625 00:27:39,372 --> 00:27:40,457 - That yours? 626 00:27:40,498 --> 00:27:41,833 Kylie said you played in college. 627 00:27:41,875 --> 00:27:43,960 - I haven't picked it up in years. 628 00:27:44,002 --> 00:27:45,837 - You miss it? 629 00:27:45,879 --> 00:27:48,006 - Sometimes. 630 00:27:48,048 --> 00:27:49,966 - There's a lot of paperwork in here. 631 00:27:50,008 --> 00:27:51,426 He worked from home a lot? 632 00:27:51,468 --> 00:27:53,094 - A few weeks before everything happened, 633 00:27:53,136 --> 00:27:54,971 he brought home all these files in crates, 634 00:27:55,013 --> 00:27:57,849 said he was doing important research. 635 00:27:57,891 --> 00:27:59,642 - He say what he was working on? 636 00:27:59,684 --> 00:28:02,020 - Something about zoning violations and the city 637 00:28:02,062 --> 00:28:03,980 not doing anything about them. 638 00:28:04,022 --> 00:28:05,482 Joshua was obsessed. 639 00:28:05,523 --> 00:28:07,650 - So he wasn't always a workaholic. 640 00:28:07,692 --> 00:28:09,027 - No. 641 00:28:09,069 --> 00:28:11,905 He cared about his work, but not like this. 642 00:28:11,946 --> 00:28:13,656 He was so frustrated. 643 00:28:13,698 --> 00:28:19,996 He kept saying something about the system working against him 644 00:28:20,038 --> 00:28:22,248 and that he was going to prove it. 645 00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:25,001 I just thought he was overreacting. 646 00:28:25,043 --> 00:28:28,046 He said it made him feel like he was crazy. 647 00:28:28,088 --> 00:28:29,381 - You think it has something to do with the case? 648 00:28:29,422 --> 00:28:30,507 - I don't know. 649 00:28:30,548 --> 00:28:31,841 But if he had something to prove, 650 00:28:31,883 --> 00:28:32,842 it's possible he made an enemy. 651 00:28:32,884 --> 00:28:37,597 * * 652 00:28:37,639 --> 00:28:40,016 It looks like Joshua was investigating code 653 00:28:40,058 --> 00:28:42,894 violations against one company in particular, 654 00:28:42,936 --> 00:28:44,396 Ralbern Investments. 655 00:28:44,437 --> 00:28:47,482 - Ralbern is a huge multinational. 656 00:28:47,524 --> 00:28:49,859 I've done contract work for them. 657 00:28:49,901 --> 00:28:51,486 - These are building codes. 658 00:28:51,528 --> 00:28:54,030 Next to them are the violations against Ralbern repeated 659 00:28:54,072 --> 00:28:55,532 multiple times. 660 00:28:55,573 --> 00:28:57,075 - What does this have to do with my husband? 661 00:28:57,117 --> 00:28:59,035 - Nearly half of Ralbern's security 662 00:28:59,077 --> 00:29:01,204 staff are moonlighting D.C. Metro Police, 663 00:29:01,246 --> 00:29:02,622 Sergeant Powell included. 664 00:29:02,664 --> 00:29:04,666 Joshua was building a case against them 665 00:29:04,708 --> 00:29:08,294 issuing the same violations against them over and over. 666 00:29:08,336 --> 00:29:09,546 - That must have pissed them off. 667 00:29:09,587 --> 00:29:11,256 - You're saying they targeted Joshua? 668 00:29:11,297 --> 00:29:13,508 - You said that Joshua felt like the system was 669 00:29:13,550 --> 00:29:17,137 against him, and the system killed him. 670 00:29:17,178 --> 00:29:20,265 - You think Sergeant Powell deliberately 671 00:29:20,306 --> 00:29:26,146 took his team to our home to take him off of Ralbern? 672 00:29:26,187 --> 00:29:30,525 - I'm saying I think your husband was murdered. 673 00:29:40,452 --> 00:29:41,578 - Anything from Ralbern yet? 674 00:29:41,619 --> 00:29:42,787 - I've been on hold for over two hours. 675 00:29:42,829 --> 00:29:44,456 I still haven't spoken to anyone in legal. 676 00:29:44,497 --> 00:29:45,957 - You're not going to get through. 677 00:29:45,999 --> 00:29:47,709 They have a 100-person legal team. 678 00:29:47,751 --> 00:29:49,294 This trial will be long over before we 679 00:29:49,335 --> 00:29:51,421 navigate that legal minefield. 680 00:29:51,463 --> 00:29:54,424 - We need a way to approach the VIPER team. 681 00:29:54,466 --> 00:29:58,219 - Maybe there's a way to get one of them to come to us. 682 00:29:58,261 --> 00:30:00,221 Rizwan, call Joy Reid's producers back. 683 00:30:00,263 --> 00:30:02,390 Tell them I'm going to give them what they want, 684 00:30:02,432 --> 00:30:04,184 a sit-down with Atwood. 685 00:30:07,645 --> 00:30:09,814 - Moving on to the Hill-Jones trial, 686 00:30:09,856 --> 00:30:13,526 an unarmed innocent man was shot in his own living room. 687 00:30:13,568 --> 00:30:16,654 It should never have happened, but was it negligence? 688 00:30:16,696 --> 00:30:20,158 We've got not one but two distinguished expert 689 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,203 witnesses here tonight, Dr. Dustin Atwood 690 00:30:23,244 --> 00:30:24,829 and Dr. Alec Mercer. 691 00:30:24,871 --> 00:30:26,331 Dustin, you say no. 692 00:30:26,373 --> 00:30:28,249 - No, it was not negligence. 693 00:30:28,291 --> 00:30:30,001 Now, of course, I wish this tragedy had 694 00:30:30,043 --> 00:30:31,669 not happened, as we all do. 695 00:30:31,711 --> 00:30:34,464 But when you consider the information the officers had, 696 00:30:34,506 --> 00:30:36,800 they had every reason to believe 697 00:30:36,841 --> 00:30:38,301 their lives were in danger. 698 00:30:38,343 --> 00:30:40,011 - Alec, you say yes. 699 00:30:40,053 --> 00:30:43,973 As police officers, their job was to assess and reassess 700 00:30:44,015 --> 00:30:45,684 that danger moment by moment. 701 00:30:45,725 --> 00:30:47,352 - There was no time to reassess. 702 00:30:47,394 --> 00:30:49,354 Any good cop would have taken a shot 703 00:30:49,396 --> 00:30:50,563 under those circumstances. 704 00:30:50,605 --> 00:30:51,398 - Any cop? 705 00:30:51,439 --> 00:30:52,816 Wiggins didn't shoot. 706 00:30:52,857 --> 00:30:55,360 Officer Wiggins didn't even draw his gun. 707 00:30:55,402 --> 00:30:57,278 If any good cop would have taken that shot, 708 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,655 is he not a good cop? 709 00:30:58,697 --> 00:30:59,739 - I didn't say that. 710 00:30:59,781 --> 00:31:01,408 - Was he the negligent one? 711 00:31:01,449 --> 00:31:03,910 - Are you criticizing an officer for not shooting? 712 00:31:03,952 --> 00:31:06,454 - I'm just trying to understand your point of view. 713 00:31:06,496 --> 00:31:09,290 You've said over and over that those cops did the right thing. 714 00:31:09,332 --> 00:31:11,751 Well, that must mean Wiggins did the wrong thing. 715 00:31:11,793 --> 00:31:13,420 No? 716 00:31:13,461 --> 00:31:15,547 - You raise a very interesting question there, Alec. 717 00:31:15,588 --> 00:31:17,882 - Obviously, my friend here is being hyperbolic, Joy. 718 00:31:17,924 --> 00:31:20,844 - Would you say Wiggins isn't VIPER squad material? 719 00:31:20,885 --> 00:31:22,220 Does he need more training? 720 00:31:22,262 --> 00:31:23,596 I don't know. 721 00:31:23,638 --> 00:31:26,057 Maybe Wiggins should find another job. 722 00:31:26,099 --> 00:31:27,308 - I-- I told you. 723 00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:29,728 I don't know anything. 724 00:31:29,769 --> 00:31:33,148 - Withholding information about the bombing-- 725 00:31:33,189 --> 00:31:35,859 that's obstruction on 13 murders, 726 00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,570 arson, and terrorism. 727 00:31:38,611 --> 00:31:41,489 Could get you a lot of jail time. 728 00:31:45,118 --> 00:31:49,205 - He said no one was supposed to die. 729 00:31:49,247 --> 00:31:51,458 He only wanted to get the church. 730 00:31:51,499 --> 00:31:54,044 It was six months after 9/11. 731 00:31:54,085 --> 00:31:56,129 And those Methodists were loaning 732 00:31:56,171 --> 00:31:57,922 their church to a mosque. 733 00:31:57,964 --> 00:31:59,049 - So what happened? 734 00:31:59,090 --> 00:32:00,800 - I only know what he told me. 735 00:32:00,842 --> 00:32:05,388 He said he was supposed to set the bomb timer for 60 minutes, 736 00:32:05,430 --> 00:32:10,101 and he accidentally set it for 60 seconds. 737 00:32:10,143 --> 00:32:11,603 - Wait. 738 00:32:11,644 --> 00:32:16,232 So you're saying that the murder of 13 people 739 00:32:16,274 --> 00:32:17,817 was a mistake? 740 00:32:19,527 --> 00:32:22,906 - Peter was in way over his head. 741 00:32:22,947 --> 00:32:24,616 He didn't build the bomb. 742 00:32:24,657 --> 00:32:28,078 He got it from some guy he met on the internet. 743 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:29,788 - What guy? 744 00:32:29,829 --> 00:32:31,831 Was it Wes Banning? 745 00:32:31,873 --> 00:32:33,333 - Not him. 746 00:32:33,375 --> 00:32:38,046 This guy was a fancy-looking professional, 747 00:32:38,088 --> 00:32:40,256 called himself Mathias. 748 00:32:43,301 --> 00:32:45,762 - So if what the bomber's mom said was true, 749 00:32:45,804 --> 00:32:47,180 Wes made the bomb. 750 00:32:47,222 --> 00:32:48,765 Peter planted the bomb. 751 00:32:48,807 --> 00:32:54,062 But the third guy, Mathias, was behind it all. 752 00:32:54,104 --> 00:32:55,939 - That's who was at Wes's parole hearing. 753 00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:57,774 - Finding him will not be easy. 754 00:32:57,816 --> 00:32:59,818 - Pamela said he's white, fancy, 755 00:32:59,859 --> 00:33:03,029 fedora, wears a flashy gold watch, probably a Rolex-- 756 00:33:03,071 --> 00:33:04,114 not much to go on. 757 00:33:04,155 --> 00:33:05,657 - Maybe not yet. 758 00:33:05,699 --> 00:33:08,410 But the bomber met Matthias in an online chat room. 759 00:33:08,451 --> 00:33:10,078 That site might be gone, but there's 760 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,998 a company that maintains a database of old websites. 761 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,917 We start there. 762 00:33:18,962 --> 00:33:25,885 * * 763 00:33:32,267 --> 00:33:34,185 - Is this about my interview? 764 00:33:34,227 --> 00:33:35,562 - I didn't shoot anyone. 765 00:33:35,603 --> 00:33:37,939 Why the hell did you crucify me on TV? 766 00:33:37,981 --> 00:33:40,316 - Would you have come to confront me otherwise? 767 00:33:40,358 --> 00:33:44,821 * * 768 00:33:44,863 --> 00:33:49,409 I want to know why you didn't fire your gun. 769 00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:52,537 - I made a judgment call in the moment, 770 00:33:52,579 --> 00:33:54,622 no different from anyone else. 771 00:33:54,664 --> 00:33:56,207 - Let me ask you something. 772 00:33:56,249 --> 00:33:57,917 Are you familiar with Ralbern Investments? 773 00:33:57,959 --> 00:33:59,461 - Yeah. 774 00:33:59,502 --> 00:34:01,171 A lot of officers do work for them on the side. 775 00:34:01,212 --> 00:34:02,589 - Like Powell? 776 00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:03,590 - Yeah. 777 00:34:03,631 --> 00:34:05,133 So? 778 00:34:05,175 --> 00:34:08,053 - Could Powell have changed the address to Joshua's house? 779 00:34:08,094 --> 00:34:09,346 - No way. 780 00:34:09,387 --> 00:34:10,680 I was there when we got the warrant. 781 00:34:10,722 --> 00:34:12,557 He pinned it to our planning board. 782 00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:16,728 If someone changed it, it wasn't him, wasn't any of us. 783 00:34:16,770 --> 00:34:19,773 - Who else could have touched that warrant? 784 00:34:19,814 --> 00:34:21,816 * * 785 00:34:21,858 --> 00:34:24,069 - I don't know. 786 00:34:24,110 --> 00:34:25,236 Ask the clerk. 787 00:34:25,278 --> 00:34:27,906 * * 788 00:34:31,117 --> 00:34:33,453 - You said that you might be able to get my job back? 789 00:34:33,495 --> 00:34:35,747 - There may be a way to clear your name. 790 00:34:35,789 --> 00:34:38,375 Looks like the victim was keeping records 791 00:34:38,416 --> 00:34:40,543 on overturned code violations. 792 00:34:40,585 --> 00:34:43,296 Are you familiar with Ralbern Investments? 793 00:34:43,338 --> 00:34:45,632 - The property development conglomerate? 794 00:34:45,674 --> 00:34:49,552 - These are all the violations against Ralbern. 795 00:34:49,594 --> 00:34:51,388 Do you know who would have overturned them? 796 00:34:51,429 --> 00:34:52,806 - Oh, that's easy. 797 00:34:52,847 --> 00:34:54,933 Judge Haynes handles all those kinds of cases. 798 00:34:54,974 --> 00:34:57,560 - The same Judge Haynes who signed the original warrant? 799 00:34:57,602 --> 00:34:59,437 - A quirk of living in D.C.-- 800 00:34:59,479 --> 00:35:01,231 the same judges do criminal and civil. 801 00:35:01,272 --> 00:35:04,609 * * 802 00:35:12,617 --> 00:35:15,912 * * 803 00:35:15,954 --> 00:35:19,916 - All right, so what's this about, Mercer? 804 00:35:19,958 --> 00:35:21,126 - I talked to Mason. 805 00:35:21,167 --> 00:35:22,585 He doesn't want to take the settlement. 806 00:35:22,627 --> 00:35:24,629 It could look like a loss for you. 807 00:35:24,671 --> 00:35:26,214 - Yeah, I guess we'll see. 808 00:35:26,256 --> 00:35:28,174 - But I think I know a way I could convince him, 809 00:35:28,216 --> 00:35:31,553 but turns out, I'm going to need your help. 810 00:35:34,556 --> 00:35:36,850 - So I've got this multifamily development 811 00:35:36,891 --> 00:35:38,518 that I'm renovating in Southeast, 812 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,312 but I keep running into these BS citations 813 00:35:41,354 --> 00:35:43,398 over gas line hazards. 814 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,401 - Everyone whines there isn't enough affordable housing. 815 00:35:46,443 --> 00:35:48,570 But they make building codes so costly, 816 00:35:48,611 --> 00:35:50,071 you can't build a damn thing. 817 00:35:50,113 --> 00:35:52,198 - Because the politics always get in the way. 818 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,368 - This country was built by businesses, not regulations. 819 00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:56,828 - That's for sure. 820 00:35:56,870 --> 00:36:00,040 That's why I say, thank God for capitalism. 821 00:36:03,418 --> 00:36:06,713 You know, I golf with Thomas Wilson over at Ralbern. 822 00:36:06,755 --> 00:36:10,008 And he says you are a free thinker, 823 00:36:10,050 --> 00:36:12,635 that you don't allow corporate bureaucracy 824 00:36:12,677 --> 00:36:15,722 to get in the way of building the American dream. 825 00:36:18,141 --> 00:36:19,684 - I do what I can. 826 00:36:19,726 --> 00:36:21,227 - And he said I should talk to you about possibly 827 00:36:21,269 --> 00:36:22,896 expediting the process. 828 00:36:22,937 --> 00:36:25,565 You know, I'd love to make a hefty campaign contribution, 829 00:36:25,607 --> 00:36:27,525 but those limits and all-- 830 00:36:27,567 --> 00:36:30,987 - You're telling me. 831 00:36:31,029 --> 00:36:32,113 Listen. 832 00:36:32,155 --> 00:36:35,116 Why don't we avoid all that red tape? 833 00:36:35,158 --> 00:36:36,534 Put me on retainer. 834 00:36:38,203 --> 00:36:39,412 - Retainer? 835 00:36:39,454 --> 00:36:40,997 Sounds good. 836 00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:42,165 How much? 837 00:36:42,207 --> 00:36:44,584 - For you, $5,000 a month. 838 00:36:45,627 --> 00:36:47,045 - Fair enough. 839 00:36:47,087 --> 00:36:50,006 Let's say I transfer a good faith deposit. 840 00:36:50,048 --> 00:36:50,965 Offshore account? 841 00:36:52,676 --> 00:36:55,970 - I have it all. 842 00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:04,437 - Judge Thaddeus Haynes, there are some people here 843 00:37:04,479 --> 00:37:07,732 who want to speak to you. 844 00:37:09,192 --> 00:37:10,568 - What the hell is going on? 845 00:37:10,610 --> 00:37:14,155 - You have been taking bribes for years 846 00:37:14,197 --> 00:37:15,615 and getting away with it. 847 00:37:15,657 --> 00:37:17,450 You believed you were invulnerable, 848 00:37:17,492 --> 00:37:19,369 especially after killing a man and almost 849 00:37:19,411 --> 00:37:20,412 getting away with it. 850 00:37:20,453 --> 00:37:21,454 - That's insane. 851 00:37:21,496 --> 00:37:22,956 I didn't kill anyone. 852 00:37:22,997 --> 00:37:25,458 - You had a nice little side hustle taking bribes 853 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:29,713 from companies like Ralbern to help them skirt around onerous 854 00:37:29,754 --> 00:37:31,965 building regulations. 855 00:37:32,007 --> 00:37:35,051 But there was a fly in the ointment-- 856 00:37:35,093 --> 00:37:36,136 Joshua. 857 00:37:36,177 --> 00:37:38,596 He caught on to your side hustle. 858 00:37:38,638 --> 00:37:40,306 You weren't about to go down 859 00:37:40,348 --> 00:37:43,184 because of some over-dedicated building inspector. 860 00:37:43,226 --> 00:37:44,811 But he wouldn't let up. 861 00:37:44,853 --> 00:37:48,481 And then the DA hands you a request 862 00:37:48,523 --> 00:37:49,899 for a no-knock warrant. 863 00:37:49,941 --> 00:37:53,111 And you realize that the location of the suspect 864 00:37:53,153 --> 00:37:56,990 was on the same street as Joshua. 865 00:37:57,032 --> 00:38:00,160 Computers had been down over a week, 866 00:38:00,201 --> 00:38:04,205 so any mistakes could be blamed on human error. 867 00:38:04,247 --> 00:38:07,792 Everything just fell in your lap. 868 00:38:07,834 --> 00:38:09,836 Must have felt like divine providence, 869 00:38:09,878 --> 00:38:11,963 and you seized the moment. 870 00:38:12,005 --> 00:38:14,924 A court clerk gets the warrant, 871 00:38:14,966 --> 00:38:16,634 processes it manually, 872 00:38:16,676 --> 00:38:18,845 and hands it back to you to sign. 873 00:38:18,887 --> 00:38:22,057 That's when you change the address. 874 00:38:22,098 --> 00:38:26,770 You made sure the VIPER squad went to the wrong house, 875 00:38:26,811 --> 00:38:29,731 where Joshua was murdered. 876 00:38:37,614 --> 00:38:39,783 Whew. 877 00:38:39,824 --> 00:38:42,202 I never thought we'd see eye to eye enough 878 00:38:42,243 --> 00:38:44,621 to work together. 879 00:38:44,662 --> 00:38:45,747 Thank you. 880 00:38:45,789 --> 00:38:47,874 - Hey, got to protect my stats. 881 00:38:47,916 --> 00:38:52,712 - Most humans, when reminded, will do the right thing. 882 00:38:52,754 --> 00:38:55,548 Last I checked, you are human, right? 883 00:38:55,590 --> 00:38:58,051 - You're welcome, Mercer. 884 00:39:07,852 --> 00:39:09,020 - Here you go. 885 00:39:09,062 --> 00:39:11,231 - Thank you. 886 00:39:11,272 --> 00:39:12,732 Wingo called. 887 00:39:12,774 --> 00:39:16,778 Hey says they are dismantling the VIPER squad. 888 00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:18,321 - Well, that's more good news. 889 00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:22,450 - Mason. 890 00:39:22,492 --> 00:39:23,910 - Hey, Dr. Mercer. 891 00:39:23,952 --> 00:39:28,456 I just came over to see Kylie and to say-- 892 00:39:28,498 --> 00:39:29,457 thank you. 893 00:39:29,499 --> 00:39:31,000 - No need. 894 00:39:31,042 --> 00:39:34,212 I'm just glad you got some semblance of justice. 895 00:39:34,254 --> 00:39:35,255 - Strange. 896 00:39:35,296 --> 00:39:37,674 I've all these feelings-- 897 00:39:37,716 --> 00:39:42,178 anger, shock, guilt, but never peace. 898 00:39:43,513 --> 00:39:44,806 - It may never go away. 899 00:39:46,558 --> 00:39:49,269 But you can move past it. 900 00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:50,895 - How? 901 00:39:50,937 --> 00:39:52,355 - There's no one answer. 902 00:39:52,397 --> 00:39:55,942 I don't know what's best for you, Mason. 903 00:39:55,984 --> 00:39:57,652 That'll be for you to explore. 904 00:40:00,488 --> 00:40:01,614 - That's it? 905 00:40:01,656 --> 00:40:04,659 No profound Mercer monologue? 906 00:40:04,701 --> 00:40:06,953 - I'm fresh out of monologues, young'un. 907 00:40:06,995 --> 00:40:09,164 Nothing profound to say today. 908 00:40:09,205 --> 00:40:12,709 - Then I'll recycle an old one, 909 00:40:12,751 --> 00:40:15,128 one that I know by heart. 910 00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:17,964 Maybe start with finding something 911 00:40:18,006 --> 00:40:19,966 that reminds you of happiness. 912 00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:25,096 - I could dust off the trumpet. 913 00:40:25,138 --> 00:40:26,139 - Ooh. 914 00:40:27,515 --> 00:40:29,642 - I think I can still fit in my majorette outfit. 915 00:40:31,770 --> 00:40:35,732 - I know I should go home, but I don't want to face it yet. 916 00:40:35,774 --> 00:40:38,360 - Mm, hang here until you're ready. 917 00:40:38,401 --> 00:40:41,321 We can stay up all night like old times. 918 00:40:42,989 --> 00:40:46,951 - You know, I hear that there's a reality show set in Potomac 919 00:40:46,993 --> 00:40:48,912 that'll help you forget all your problems, 920 00:40:48,953 --> 00:40:50,413 even if it's only for an hour. 921 00:40:50,455 --> 00:40:51,581 We should tune in. 922 00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:53,166 - Mm. 923 00:40:53,208 --> 00:40:54,501 Hell yeah. 924 00:40:56,211 --> 00:40:57,962 - So you guys think there's something up 925 00:40:58,004 --> 00:40:59,881 because of her relationship with. 926 00:40:59,923 --> 00:41:00,882 - Absolutely. 927 00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:07,472 Oh, my God. 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