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What's the problem, Henry? You sounded
panicked. We received a federal court
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order this morning, certified to the
city council.
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A court order for what?
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Some Green Bay parents, together with
the NAACP, filed an action for
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desegregation last spring. They included
a busing plan for Green Bay kids to go
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to Windsor schools.
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So, what's that got to do with us? Well,
the judge ruled yesterday. He liked the
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plan, except for Windsor. He thought
their schools couldn't handle it, so he
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decided on Rome.
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What? What? Our school district crosses
into Brown County. We're eligible.
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The judge wants it done immediately
because we're beginning a school term.
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What do you think?
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Starting on Monday, 400 black students
are being bused here from Green Bay.
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Well, can we handle this economically?
It isn't just economics.
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The kids to be bused come from a gang
area.
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There's a budding gang problem in Green
Bay, and these kids are the kids in
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question. I think it's not as much about
desegregation as this getting rid of
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the troublemakers.
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They want to ship out the bad element.
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And ship it to Rome.
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Well,
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I've got an Episcopalian conference this
weekend.
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I'm the keynote speaker. I leave for Las
Vegas in two hours.
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Michael. Not a chance.
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Forget it.
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Well, nobody wants it. Maybe we should
just give it to Wambaugh. What? Jill!
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Well, somebody's got to do it. Well, how
about you, Jill?
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Me? No, no. I'm not even a member of the
city council. I'm only here as a member
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of the school committee. How about co
-mayors?
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What? Yeah, two people.
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They work together, and it's only
temporary for one month. Well, who?
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Which two?
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Well... Jill and Jason? It's me.
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Look, you just split the duties. Oh, I'm
a doctor. I can't. You're also trusted
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by the town, both of you. You've done a
great job on the city council, Jason.
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I am not a mayor. I have a job. Bad
luck.
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Nobody wants the job, but this is a
crisis.
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We need you. This is busing.
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Think about the children.
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It's only for a month.
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I'll do it.
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If you will.
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All right. Well, just until this busing
thing is over, though, then I'm out.
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Look at this.
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Oh, my God.
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We've even pulled out.
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Oh, no.
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I feel sick.
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This one.
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Did you pose for the smut rag?
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No. Well, I mean, I posed, but they were
supposed to be private pictures for
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myself, not for a magazine. How did they
get in there? The photographer must
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have sold them.
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Oh, my father's going to see this.
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Max, everyone's going to see it. And it
gets even worse or better depending on
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your point of view.
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Are you sick?
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Should I call an ambulance?
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No.
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What's wrong?
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I filed an appeal with the state Supreme
Court and Brian Latham. The
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unconstitutional confession, you know.
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And did they rule already?
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No, they refused to rule. Instead, they
certified it for immediate appeal to the
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U .S. Supreme Court.
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And?
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The Supreme Court granted us certiorari.
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Just like that, they grant cert.
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What does that mean?
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Hey, did you hear?
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Did I hear?
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Hear what? I haven't heard.
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This case is going to the Supreme Court.
You and I are going to argue before the
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Supreme Court.
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I should be upset. I'm supposed to wish
there'd be no appeal, but... I never
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thought I'd see the day.
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You and I are going to the Supreme Court
of the United States, baby!
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I have no jurisdiction over a federal
court order. Yes, yes, of course, we
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understand that, Your Honor.
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But if you will give us a state court
injunction, that should at least enable
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to get some immediate appellate review.
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We have nothing against desegregation.
So long as they don't try it in Rome.
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no, that isn't it, Your Honor. It isn't
that we don't want a black student
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population in our schools.
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You're just concerned for those black
youngsters.
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You want to be ready to give them the
best education possible.
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All we're saying is let's not rush it.
People are going to react to this.
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It's on account of the suddenness. On
account of the suddenness. And a delay
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will allow us to accomplish the
desegregation in the most peaceful
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Mm -hmm.
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Which would be the best thing for those
black students. Exactly.
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So, you give us the injunction, we take
it to federal court.
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I won't give it to you. Your Honor, all
we're trying to do is... I know exactly
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what you're trying to do. And it doesn't
pass the smell test.
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Your Honor, if we announce to the town
that those buses are rolling in here on
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Monday...
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Things could just blow up.
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Well, if you want to stop those buses,
you'll have to get the federal court to
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do it. I won't.
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Very well.
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We go to federal court.
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I'd think real hard on that.
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The only thing you'll succeed in is
telling those black students that
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not welcome here.
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And that could buy you the very trouble
you're afraid of.
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Look, you know as much as we do, the
federal court order's already in place.
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I want to know if I do forget to be
mayor. It's a temporary position until
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election. Yeah, why you, Jill? You have
no political background.
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I'm supposed to feel safe with you in
charge, no offense.
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Well, first of all, I have excellent
diplomatic skills, and second of all,
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can stick it up your ass.
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Dr. Brown! Just one question, please! Go
on, clear up. Let's just do it.
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Kitty, look, we need to go over these
trial transcripts, okay? We need to get
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your signatures for our Supreme Court
briefs. We're going to want a verified
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amendment. What does that mean?
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If you agree to Steno, did your
testimony right. You just signed the
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Look, we can do this in my office, okay?
The sooner the better. Sorry.
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He gave it to me.
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I subscribe.
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That and National Geographic.
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So I can see all the places I know I'll
never get to visit.
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I just read the interviews.
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Let's clear this hallway.
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We have to stick to reason.
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So we'll argue the overcrowding of the
schools, the suddenness. How about the
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potential violence?
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I mean, the parents worrying. Or the
efficacy of forced busing in general.
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studies show that it just doesn't work.
That's a loser. This judge obviously
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thinks it does work. Who is this judge?
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He's progressive, proactive, and black.
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He wants busing to work, and he wants it
to work in Rome.
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And trust me on this.
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If we go in there hysterical, arguing
gang violence or anything that smacks of
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racial paranoia, we are dead.
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I've appeared before this judge.
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You don't want to make him angry.
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Time.
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All they want is time.
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Well, that's all they wanted in Little
Rock in 1958.
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And that's all Rome wants today.
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Your Honor, nobody loves righteous
indignation more than I. It is a tone
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often employ with juries, but I don't
think that a federal court judge is
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to be fooled by it.
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Don't overestimate me, Counsel.
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We are here today in the spirit of
simple pragmatism. You find
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be anti -pragmatic, counsel?
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I certainly do not.
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But forced integration?
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In a sudden manner?
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To order a plan which gives the school
system no time to prepare? Prepare
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emotionally? Or are we still talking
pragmatic here?
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The latter.
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Your Honor, this court order poses a
logistical apocalypse.
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Classes are already in session.
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An influx of 400 new students next
Monday will have a devastating
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effect. It will present problems of
overcrowding in the classroom.
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There are 7 ,000 students in Rome.
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Surely 400 more will not make it.
Exactly. The schools are already
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Plus which, there could be special ed
needs posed by this plan. And yes, there
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could be some social problems
necessitating more counselors or other
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extreme needs.
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This is a major undertaking.
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To do it in a rash manner invites chaos.
It begs tumult. But the fall session is
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beginning now.
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Now, suppose we wait a couple of months
and then bring the students in.
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Wouldn't that be even more disruptive?
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Changing things in the middle of a
school term?
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No. With time, we can prepare for
change. The adjustments can be made with
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considered planning. Oh, come on now,
counsel.
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What planning?
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The teachers have their syllabuses. They
know what they're going to teach.
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So you have a couple of extra kids in
class.
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You buy a few more books.
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So what's all this adjustment about?
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Your Honor. You see, we've just arrived
at the crucial point of this hearing,
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Mr. Dale.
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It's just about now I've got to gauge
just how credible a petitioner you are.
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For me to find you persuasive, I've got
to believe that you're coming at me
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straight.
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So I'm asking you again.
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We're talking a few extra kids per
class.
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We handle the transportation from our
end. So what's all this adjustment
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Your Honor, this is obviously a very
white community.
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The sudden influx of inner -city black
youth is going to result in some people
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being concerned.
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Even paranoid.
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I see.
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And by recognizing this potential
paranoia and responding to it, how do I
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perpetuate it?
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I'm simply making a plea for common
sense.
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By pushing this integration plan too
fast, you are promoting a volatile
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situation. And by holding off, I'm
legitimizing a public panic grounded in
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racism.
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Suppose there is violence, Your Honor.
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A kid winds up dead.
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What, you're going to sit up there
proud, having clung to your principal?
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Are you going to lecture me on my
principles, Mr. Dell? I'm simply
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that while you are perched high, wrapped
in the safety of that cloak, these
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people will have to live in that town.
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Their children are in those schools, and
you are making those schools less safe.
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By populating it with black students?
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By affecting a climate of racial
tension.
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I see.
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Well, Mr. Dell, you have indeed
persuaded me. I now have a much better
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understanding of the town of Rome. So
I'm going to modify my original order.
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The only argument I give any credence to
is the one of overcrowding. I certainly
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don't want to see congested classrooms.
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So to accommodate for the 400 students
I'm bringing in, I'm ordering that 400
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Rome students be bussed out to Green
Bay. What?
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Oh, well, I share your space concerns,
Mr. Dell.
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I also share your concerns over Rome's
cultural attitudes.
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They need attention.
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Your Honor, you can't be serious.
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Oh, but I can.
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And I leave it to your school board to
decide which of your children will go.
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But 400 of them will go.
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So have a lovely day in your lovely
town.
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Are there any more?
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Excuse me?
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Pictures.
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Are there any others that could surface
that I should know about?
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That's all there is.
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Look, I know this isn't easy for you,
okay?
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Thank you.
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And I don't mean to jump back on my
credibility soapbox again, but... You
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the arresting officer on a case that's
now going to the Supreme Court.
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You gotta have a response to this.
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So, I gotta ask you.
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Why?
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They were just for me.
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So that I'd have them when...
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I don't know when I was old.
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You wanted these pictures for yourself
when you were old?
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Look, I don't have to explain myself to
you.
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No, you don't.
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When I was a girl,
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I always dreamed about being pretty
enough to be in one of those magazines.
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The pictures were just for me.
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Or maybe to show my husband one day.
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I don't know.
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Look, I'm very sorry that this happened.
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Let's review these transcripts, okay?
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Excuse me, Your Honor. I'm eating my
lunch.
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Is it your intent to disrupt my lunch?
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To disrupt it with an ex parte
communication?
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I'll be very brief.
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This is Jill Brock, Mayor Pro Tem of
Rome, Wisconsin.
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How do you do?
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Fine, thank you. Your Honor, we could
not be more supportive of the spirit of
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integration.
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Yes.
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Well, I'd like to suggest a proposal.
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revoke the part about busing the Rome
kids out, and give us a month, just one
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month, to prepare for the Green Bay kids
coming in, and we will make this work.
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We'll make it work beautifully.
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You disturbed my lunch with a proposal?
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Did it look like I was negotiating up
there on that bench as I was sending you
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the message, come here there with a
counter -offer?
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Um, no.
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We're just trying to appeal to common
sense. I hate appeals, and I loathe
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sense. Your Honor, please.
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You come to me with a proposal.
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Now, that disrespects me. It says you
don't take my orders seriously. We're
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trying to show you how big a problem we
have.
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Well, you got that right, Madam Mayor.
We have ourselves a very big problem,
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I'm trying to deal with it.
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And I'm ordering you to deal with it.
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What if we get picked?
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I don't know.
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But worse, what if they come, Zach?
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We'd be the first ones they kill.
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They wouldn't kill us.
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I read where black kids kill each other.
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I know, but we even got red hair.
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They wouldn't kill us.
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Black people are the same as white
people.
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They just have different skin.
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Otherwise, they're just the same.
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Johnny Simpson's black.
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We like him.
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I know.
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But it's different when they're in
groups.
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Look, I'm sure we won't get picked, and
even if we do, it'll be fine.
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Then how come Mom and Dad are scared?
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I don't know.
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There's always private school. If our
kids get picked, then we'll... Well, why
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don't we just designate a different
neighborhood so they don't get picked?
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we can't do that, Jimmy. That's not
fair. A lottery's the only way to be
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We've got to be fair here. Jill, I don't
care how liberal -minded we're supposed
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to be. We're not letting our children be
bused to an inner -city school with
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gangs. Well, listen to you. You sound
like me.
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So what's going to happen?
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Well, we've called a special town
meeting for tomorrow, Saturday.
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We'll tell the people and then we'll sit
back and... I don't know.
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Watch the roof blow off the building.
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This is a good town.
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And it's an enlightened community.
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These people here will handle it.
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In determining which of our children
shall be bused to Green Bay, we've
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to do it by lottery.
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Now, wait, wait.
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This is the only fair way, unless a
particular neighborhood would like to
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volunteer. Jill, why do we have to go
along with this at all? There's a
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mandate, Ed. We have a court order.
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Appeal it!
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We have appeal.
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But that doesn't stay the district
court's ruling.
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If we don't abide...
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The town could be held in contempt.
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And then what?
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Excuse me?
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Well, I'd like to know if a town enjoys
any independence here. It doesn't. All
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right, all right. Hold on, hold on now.
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One possibility is to immediately
establish a private school.
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For a nominal tuition, we can call it a
private school, and it is not subject to
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busing. Henry Novotny has offered the
use of his church. The court will see
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through that and hold you in contempt.
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Hey, listen, can I say something? I'd
like to be heard.
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Thank you.
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My name is Ed Lawson.
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I'm an employee of the United States
Postal Service. I work for the
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and I'm loyal to it.
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But it's got to be the most mismanaged
institution in the world. I mean, they
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can't pass bills on health care. We're
getting off the point here, Mr. Lawson.
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It's not off the point. The government's
trying to come in here and run our
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affairs when they can't even handle
their own. Why should we trust them? Why
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should we assume they know what's best
for us?
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Let's stick to the subject. I'm on the
subject.
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The point is it's been up to the small
town to survive on its own, and we've
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done that.
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We've built up our schools. We've done a
good civic thing. It's a good town to
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raise our kids, where they can grow up
safe.
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Now, how dare these people back in
Washington think that they can just
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here and say, hey, we don't care about
your safety. We've got our own plan.
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We're going to bus in 400 black kids
from gangland, and if that screws things
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for your kids, tough.
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They're saying to us, we've got to send
our kids to Green Bay, where the
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education is who knows what, where they
could get shot.
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Not my 10 -year -old. Not my daughter.
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No, I say let's stand up to these
federal sons of bitches. I say I'd
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secede than let them take our kids.
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Do you
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mind
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if I share this podium?
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Don't make it a black thing. This isn't
a black thing.
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May I say what I choose to say?
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Free country?
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Supposedly.
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I too am a
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parent.
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My son Jason is 16.
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My daughter Sandra is 15.
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Their mother and I brought them here two
years ago.
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For the same reason, I guess.
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We thought this would be a good place to
raise a family.
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It wasn't easy for them.
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It meant saying goodbye to friends they
had known all their lives.
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And they were scared of moving into a
community that
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was this white.
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But I told them, this is a good
community.
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This was a town that would welcome them.
And you know what? It did.
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My kids are happy.
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And I'm happy as a parent because I got
them into a community that I thought
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would help raise them to be good people.
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And I was proud of them.
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So truly proud.
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And to think that maybe because of my
family and their sacrifices, and
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maybe the sacrifices of other black
families in Rome, Wisconsin, that this
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community comes closer to being what
those American freedom slogans are all
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about.
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Well, imagine how proud I am today.
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to fit and listen to this room rumble
with panic over the idea of black
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infiltrating the schools.
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Imagine how honored I am to live in a
community that can fear people because
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the color of their skin. Now you say
it's not a black thing. It is a black
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thing.
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You're talking about opening up private
schools so that the colors can't be bust
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into them.
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I am standing here with so much civic
pride, I am bursting.
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I am bursting.
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So... So now... I got to go home today.
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and tell my kids that the reason Rome,
Wisconsin welcomed them
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was because they showed up in small
numbers.
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Imagine.
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Imagine how truly proud I feel today.
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Hey.
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What
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are
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you doing here?
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Penance. For what?
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I don't know.
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What's the expression? All it takes for
evil to succeed is for good black men to
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do nothing.
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So that's why you're in church?
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Guilt. I do not support busing.
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And a district attorney should stay out
of political debate.
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But I should have been in that room.
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And for no other reason than just to
look a few of those people in the eye.
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What are you doing here?
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Actually, I come here a lot in the
afternoons after the place empties out.
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I'd like to sit and think.
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Yeah.
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Thank you.
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For what?
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For not tearing into me about those
pictures.
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I know they just made your job that much
tougher.
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One of these days I'm going to stop
humiliating myself and everyone around
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Yeah, well...
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You let me know.
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It would be nice if we could wave a wand
and wipe out all racial tension.
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I, too, would be very proud to think
that I live in a community that would
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welcome these inner -city youths if they
felt honored and privileged to come
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here. But that isn't the case, is it?
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So what do we do?
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Write it out?
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Dig in and just try to survive all the
turmoil because we know that after all
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the hatred maybe violence Rome would be
a better place Well
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We could do that But not me
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I'm all for equality But I do not want
to see it achieved at the expense
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of my children None of us wants to send
our kids to Green Bay to go to a school
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in a gang area.
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None of us, let's be honest, wants gang
kids put into our schools here.
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There could be bloodshed. At a minimum,
it will make our schools less safe.
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I'm a pretty liberal person.
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But I gotta say, ashamed as I may be, if
those buses come in...
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I'll be moving my family out.
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Suppose they don't come, Mr. Kramer.
Suppose this little mob demonstration
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those buses out. What's the victory?
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Well, maybe our kids could grow up then.
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Grow up as what?
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Maybe some of them will move out. Where
will they tell people they came from? A
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place where they didn't just put up
fences around the yards, but a place
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they sealed off the whole town? For
what?
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To keep out the unwanted.
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Wow, that's certainly a community worth
protecting, isn't it? You don't have
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kids, Carter. You're not helping them by
passing on prejudice. Isn't that
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simple? You're worried about black
students, innocent people. The Supreme
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might let Brian Latham back on the
street. He's a killer. Nobody's talking
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that. We're all talking about it. That's
just another reason why we can't trust
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the government. I'm at the podium now.
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I'll go play with the courts.
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That's the very ignorance we're dealing
with here.
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You're calling me ignorant, Carter? Yes,
as a matter of fact.
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Superior Court from Hogan County says
it'll only take a minute.
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Send him in.
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My name is Henry Bone. Oh, I know who
you are.
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And you know why I'm here.
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You think you're leaving a legacy?
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Maybe they'll all toast you on Martin
Luther King Day.
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Big deal.
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Forced busing is dangerous.
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If it's done arbitrarily, it's deadly.
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And you think I just arbitrarily picked
Rome?
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A town that let an HIV dentist practice
medicine?
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A town that let a priest with a shoe
fetish keep his parish? Oh, no.
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I know Rome, Wisconsin, very well.
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And I also like to think I know a little
about Judge Henry Bone.
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You're the public conscience of that
little village. I bet they all came
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to you over this busing crisis, wanting
you to enjoin my order.
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You probably told them to go to hell,
right?
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Well, I'm hoping that the people of Rome
will once again heed their Judge Henry
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Bone. This issue's bigger than me.
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And you.
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It's been 40 years since Brown versus
Board of Education.
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Do you know how much has happened since
then?
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Not enough.
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Right. And I figure if we just reach out
into the heartland, then what better
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place to get a kickstart than in Rome?
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Oh, it's a weird town.
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But I like it.
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Part of a town's bliss comes from
getting to think it's free from bigotry.
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Your ruling could shatter that illusion.
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Sometimes the best... projects come from
breakage.
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You want to leave a legacy, Your Honor?
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Just remember, whatever happens, it will
be your legacy.
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So, what's your take on all this?
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I don't know.
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Well, how would you feel if 400 kids
suddenly showed up at your school?
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I'd probably be scared.
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Because they're black?
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No, not because they're black, but
because I'd be afraid they'd hate me
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I was white.
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That's racist to assume they'd be
racist.
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Excuse me.
485
00:31:59,450 --> 00:32:02,410
All right,
486
00:32:07,290 --> 00:32:08,690
everybody, settle down, please.
487
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:12,830
Please be quiet. We'd all like to be
heard here.
488
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:17,370
All right.
489
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:22,910
My co -mayor, Jason Steinberg, and I
have met together with Council Franklin
490
00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:23,910
Dell.
491
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,840
We've considered our options and we've
reached a decision.
492
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,680
We're all law -abiding people, but today
our conscience as law -abiding citizens
493
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,420
is in direct conflict with our role as
parents.
494
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,120
That's the base of our protest. It's the
concern for the safety of our children.
495
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,180
But as Carter Pike says, are we
protecting them by passing on prejudice?
496
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:55,290
Because it is prejudice, let's be
honest.
497
00:32:56,330 --> 00:33:03,290
If the children to be bussed weren't
black and from the inner city, we would
498
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:04,910
be in church right now singing
Jerusalem.
499
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:08,710
We're prejudiced.
500
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:14,370
Whatever it is we think we're
protecting, it certainly isn't our
501
00:33:14,370 --> 00:33:16,110
our idealism.
502
00:33:18,390 --> 00:33:21,850
Unfortunately, parents today can't get
as wrapped up in idealism as they used
503
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:22,850
to.
504
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:29,520
The best thing sometimes is just to give
our kids a fighting chance and hope to
505
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,520
God that they survive.
506
00:33:31,420 --> 00:33:38,140
And because it's about survival most,
our decision is to defy the federal
507
00:33:38,140 --> 00:33:39,140
court order.
508
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,200
All right.
509
00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:43,860
Quiet, please.
510
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,700
Quiet, everybody.
511
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:48,040
Please listen.
512
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:50,300
All right. Wait.
513
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:51,800
Please listen.
514
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,540
a very difficult path see the question
becomes what happens when a town finally
515
00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:01,360
stands up to the federal government and
says no we're not going to take it
516
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,160
anymore please please stop it stop it
please
517
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:12,040
the cheering doesn't help especially
when our common ground is latent bigotry
518
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:18,739
please let's not celebrate that let's
let's concentrate on what we have to do
519
00:34:22,350 --> 00:34:23,630
Now, our plan is simple.
520
00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:28,030
We will not let our children go to Green
Bay.
521
00:34:29,010 --> 00:34:32,670
And we will not welcome into our schools
the children from Green Bay.
522
00:34:34,429 --> 00:34:37,690
I apologize to the students from Green
Bay and to their families.
523
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:42,969
But today, Rome has to think about Rome.
524
00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:46,090
Mr.
525
00:34:46,429 --> 00:34:49,750
Dell will now explain to you the legal
consequences of our actions.
526
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:58,770
The mayor and the school board will
likely be held in contempt of federal
527
00:34:59,770 --> 00:35:04,590
Now, there should be no sanctions taken
against any of you, no direct sanctions,
528
00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:06,850
but federal services could be cut off.
529
00:35:09,490 --> 00:35:15,750
The main thing is, our civil
disobedience will likely affect an
530
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:19,290
appellate review of the district court
order. Now, there is a chance...
531
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:22,890
that we can get the busting decree
overturned at that point.
532
00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:28,170
At the very least, we should be able to
prevent our kids from being bust out.
533
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:35,410
Now, should we lose on the incoming
issue, we will at least buy some time
534
00:35:35,410 --> 00:35:40,210
to accomplish the integration plan in an
orderly manner.
535
00:35:42,590 --> 00:35:43,590
Dr. Brock.
536
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:46,130
All right.
537
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:49,770
And before we put the plan through,
we're going to hold it open to voice
538
00:35:51,070 --> 00:35:55,690
But before we do that, I just want you
all to think about something.
539
00:35:58,110 --> 00:35:59,890
I've lived in this town for 13 years.
540
00:36:00,610 --> 00:36:02,130
I've seen one of my sons shot.
541
00:36:02,650 --> 00:36:03,810
I've had a daughter kidnapped.
542
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:07,230
Rome has been a town of considerable
hardship.
543
00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:18,670
But this day, by far, is the saddest.
544
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:24,850
If we say to those black children from
Green Bay, no, you cannot come to Rome,
545
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:28,430
Wisconsin, because of fear or whatever,
546
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:34,710
it's the saddest day ever.
547
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:42,570
We put a stain on Rome, Wisconsin, for
all time.
548
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,260
Yes, we have to protect our children,
but at what cost
549
00:36:51,260 --> 00:36:58,100
All right, I'm
550
00:36:58,100 --> 00:37:05,060
I'm gonna put this open to voice vote
now If you want us
551
00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:08,600
to defy the busing order please indicate
now with your applause
552
00:37:47,550 --> 00:37:49,650
Well, isn't this a happy time?
553
00:37:51,110 --> 00:37:53,510
I don't work on Mondays. I fish.
554
00:37:54,250 --> 00:37:55,670
What are you fishing for here?
555
00:37:56,270 --> 00:38:01,030
Seems the people here didn't heed Henry
Bone after all. They also didn't heed
556
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:03,050
me. Now, that's a big mistake.
557
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:07,730
Well, eight o 'clock in the morning. You
get started early, don't you?
558
00:38:08,370 --> 00:38:11,270
Well, the kids from Green Bay won't be
arriving till about nine.
559
00:38:12,210 --> 00:38:13,210
What?
560
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:14,830
Those kids are coming.
561
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:18,980
Whether the good people of Rome,
Wisconsin welcome them or not.
562
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:20,600
Are you nuts?
563
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,460
I just told your mayor, now I'm telling
you.
564
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:25,200
I've got nothing to do with it.
565
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:27,380
Then find something to do.
566
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,840
Talk to them.
567
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,380
Make them understand they pissed off the
wrong judge.
568
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,460
Hey, if you think I'm about to do your
bidding, you just picked the wrong
569
00:38:37,240 --> 00:38:38,680
You may scare a lot of people.
570
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,480
I'm not one of them. This is your town,
your county.
571
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:44,920
What happens inside these borders?
572
00:38:45,550 --> 00:38:46,690
It's your legacy.
573
00:38:47,770 --> 00:38:49,610
Do you really know what you're doing?
574
00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:51,750
Yeah, Judge.
575
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:53,630
I do.
576
00:39:01,950 --> 00:39:06,450
What can we do? Short of a military
response, nothing now, but I'll tell you
577
00:39:06,450 --> 00:39:07,348
this.
578
00:39:07,350 --> 00:39:11,190
Letting those kids go into the schools
with the climate in this town right now,
579
00:39:11,290 --> 00:39:12,290
that's dangerous.
580
00:39:13,330 --> 00:39:14,330
What are you suggesting?
581
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:18,330
I'm suggesting you put a cop in every
classroom, in the hallways, too. And you
582
00:39:18,330 --> 00:39:21,170
might consider restraining the parents
from going to the schools. They'll only
583
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:22,170
exacerbate the tension.
584
00:39:22,350 --> 00:39:23,710
I can't believe this is happening.
585
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:27,610
Jimmy, assemble your men. Go down to the
school. Keep those students from
586
00:39:27,610 --> 00:39:28,610
getting off the buses.
587
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:32,490
What? Is there any chance there won't be
violence if we let those kids in?
588
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:36,270
After we've declared them to be
unwelcome, is there any chance they
589
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:37,270
the hostility?
590
00:39:37,590 --> 00:39:39,250
She's right. What choice do we have?
591
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:42,650
Just let things erupt? I mean, what
choice do we have?
592
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:45,630
Go, Jimmy. Police blockade. You've got
20 minutes.
593
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:49,110
Jill, there's a big difference
between... I'm not your wife talking.
594
00:39:49,110 --> 00:39:50,290
mayor. Do it.
595
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,460
Nobody comes out until then.
596
00:40:18,700 --> 00:40:23,120
All right, let's first go home. Get
behind that barrier.
597
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,400
This is unit seven, affirmative.
598
00:40:27,180 --> 00:40:28,260
News media.
599
00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:30,680
This is unbelievable.
600
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,720
I apologize.
601
00:40:36,340 --> 00:40:38,820
My first priority has to be to prevent
violence.
602
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,100
I apologize.
603
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:43,300
Jimmy!
604
00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:45,300
Here we go.
605
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:55,820
the people that help us here.
606
00:41:52,259 --> 00:41:55,920
Sir Brock, Lieutenant Colonel Joseph
Brent with the National Guard.
607
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,620
We're just here to get some kids into
school, sir. Would you instruct your men
608
00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:03,980
to let them through? Well, my orders are
to keep the kids on the bus. My orders
609
00:42:03,980 --> 00:42:05,840
are that these kids will be in that
school, sir.
610
00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:10,930
You want a confrontation, Colonel?
611
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:12,270
Do you, Sheriff?
612
00:42:13,010 --> 00:42:14,870
I have orders not to back down from one.
613
00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:17,810
Now, these kids are going to get into
the school.
614
00:42:24,070 --> 00:42:30,770
All right, deputies, listen
615
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:32,570
up. Sheriff Brock here.
616
00:42:33,590 --> 00:42:35,830
Abandon the last order. That's right.
617
00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:37,490
Repeat. Abandon.
618
00:42:38,430 --> 00:42:39,430
That's...
619
00:42:47,269 --> 00:42:48,269
Thank you, sir.
620
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:51,450
Okay, let's not be late.
621
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:56,190
Open it up.
622
00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:00,010
Come on, son.
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