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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,540 Previously on Picket Fences. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:06,040 I've retrieved what appears to be a right middle or ring finger severed at 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:06,919 second joint. 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,440 Maybe we should turn you loose and let the mob outside deal with you. You can't 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,020 do this. We can do whatever we want. 6 00:00:12,540 --> 00:00:13,540 We're the cops. 7 00:00:18,180 --> 00:00:25,160 The discovery of the body would be fruits of a poisonous tree. 8 00:00:25,820 --> 00:00:27,180 I may have no choice. 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,040 but to dismiss the charges. 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,640 When I come back, the three of you are going to tell me the brilliant plan 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,500 you've devised to keep that bastard in jail. You've got to figure it out! 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,260 Mr. Latham, you are going to trial. 13 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,480 If the Supreme Court has a problem with that, they can come and get me. 14 00:00:46,260 --> 00:00:47,360 We've got two choices. 15 00:00:47,660 --> 00:00:52,320 The right to the appellate court, try to overturn Judge Bone, get your statement 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,560 and the evidence suppressed, or try this case right now, which I think we should 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,620 do. Why? 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,180 Because our chances of a conviction are better the sooner we go. 19 00:01:01,900 --> 00:01:04,599 We've got all our evidence except for the weapon, and if we haven't found that 20 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:05,920 by now... What about DNA? 21 00:01:07,020 --> 00:01:08,540 Well, all the blood we found was hers. 22 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,120 Hair and fiber go to her, him, and in the car, her family. 23 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:13,380 It's not airtight. 24 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,120 Exactly. It's circumstantial. 25 00:01:15,420 --> 00:01:18,140 That's why I'd like to try it while it's still fresh in the jury's head. Time 26 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:19,140 can only help the defense. 27 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:20,980 Then why does Wombo want to go now? 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,320 Because I could take advantage of the short investigation. 29 00:01:25,050 --> 00:01:28,290 I can argue that they didn't take the time to look for anybody else. 30 00:01:28,570 --> 00:01:30,250 It'll play into reasonable doubt. 31 00:01:30,670 --> 00:01:33,490 Plus, this trial is a free shot for us. 32 00:01:33,710 --> 00:01:37,610 See, if they lose, they can still get it overturned on constitutional grounds. 33 00:01:38,230 --> 00:01:42,230 If they win, the state can't appeal an acquittal. The man walks. 34 00:01:42,450 --> 00:01:44,650 It's a free bite for him. Wambaugh knows what he's doing. 35 00:01:45,170 --> 00:01:46,170 Do we? 36 00:01:47,150 --> 00:01:50,710 Appellate courts are less likely to overturn a trial than they are a 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,560 If we can get a conviction now, we make his chance on appeal much tougher. 38 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:56,320 I say we go. 39 00:01:56,860 --> 00:01:57,920 I say we go. 40 00:01:58,860 --> 00:01:59,960 Do I have a chance? 41 00:02:00,500 --> 00:02:02,120 Yes. No. 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,200 Our case is circumstantial, but it's very strong. 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:06,480 He can't win. 44 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,800 I cannot lose this guy. 45 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:10,020 We won't. 46 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Okay. 47 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:13,340 Okay. 48 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,340 Okay. You like murder trials, Kimberly? 49 00:02:18,380 --> 00:02:20,220 This is going to be a good one. 50 00:03:24,010 --> 00:03:25,950 Home Sheriff Department is a joke. 51 00:03:26,290 --> 00:03:27,590 It frustrates me. 52 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:32,050 If they knew how to collect evidence, they'd have caught the real killer. Mr. 53 00:03:32,130 --> 00:03:35,550 Wambaugh likes to try these cases in the media where he's free to make up the 54 00:03:35,550 --> 00:03:38,010 facts. He says this because I'm Jewish. 55 00:03:38,670 --> 00:03:42,270 He comes in here today with nothing but public pressure to get a conviction. 56 00:03:42,490 --> 00:03:44,550 Yeah, well, you'll see what we've got. I'm getting goosebumps. 57 00:03:48,190 --> 00:03:52,990 I'd appreciate it if you didn't attack my father in the press. 58 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,100 Kimberly, the media has taken away the presumption of innocence. 59 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:59,680 I have to use the spotlight to get it back. 60 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:04,360 You ready? 61 00:04:07,660 --> 00:04:08,660 I think so. 62 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,020 Remember, they'll probably introduce the pictures early. Look horrified to see 63 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:16,820 them. The jury has to see that they shock you like anybody else. 64 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,360 It's not imperative that you look, but I want you in the room. 65 00:04:21,100 --> 00:04:23,120 I want the jury to be reminded of your tragedy. 66 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Do we have to be here for the whole trial? 67 00:04:26,620 --> 00:04:27,620 I prefer it. 68 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,760 Emotion cuts in our favor. 69 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:33,820 I've got your parents, a sister, your grandmother, and an uncle you've never 70 00:04:33,820 --> 00:04:34,820 met. 71 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:38,980 My family is coming? And for the purpose of this trial, you're close -knit. 72 00:04:39,980 --> 00:04:41,780 The jury cannot see it otherwise. 73 00:04:42,580 --> 00:04:43,820 How'd you get them to show up? 74 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:45,320 You're their only son. 75 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Will they testify? 76 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:49,700 Not a chance. 77 00:04:50,190 --> 00:04:53,470 If he puts up any character witness, then we are free to impeach with our 78 00:04:53,470 --> 00:04:55,010 witnesses. And I've got about 20. 79 00:04:55,290 --> 00:04:58,790 I even have a teenage girl that was threatened by him at knife point two 80 00:04:58,790 --> 00:04:59,790 ago. What? 81 00:05:00,030 --> 00:05:01,210 But I can't use it. 82 00:05:01,670 --> 00:05:05,450 The law says we can't talk about previous bad acts to convince the jury 83 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:06,450 this one. 84 00:05:06,770 --> 00:05:09,770 Wait a second. Now, this guy attacked another girl with a knife. 85 00:05:10,070 --> 00:05:12,210 And we can't tell the jury about it? That's right. 86 00:05:12,530 --> 00:05:16,090 But if they try to argue that he's a good guy, we can roll out our impeaching 87 00:05:16,090 --> 00:05:17,430 witnesses. This girl included. 88 00:05:17,850 --> 00:05:19,230 See, Wanbao knows that. 89 00:05:19,790 --> 00:05:23,330 He won't put this guy's parents up or anybody to even hint about his 90 00:05:23,830 --> 00:05:24,890 Then what's our case? 91 00:05:25,170 --> 00:05:27,570 The state has the burden to make the case. 92 00:05:28,090 --> 00:05:31,010 I just have to shoot holes in it, and I will. 93 00:05:32,730 --> 00:05:34,750 The worst thing is those pictures. 94 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:39,030 They're some of the most graphic images I've ever seen. 95 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:45,090 I apologize for having to show them to you. They'll be difficult to look at, 96 00:05:45,090 --> 00:05:46,530 you must look at them. 97 00:05:47,470 --> 00:05:51,650 The testimonial evidence will show that Susan Ingram's was stabbed 11 times, but 98 00:05:51,650 --> 00:05:55,550 you cannot know the violent savagery unless you look 99 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,940 the prosecution will show beyond all reasonable doubt that the person 100 00:06:36,940 --> 00:06:43,420 responsible for this repulsive carnage is brian latham the man sitting right 101 00:06:43,420 --> 00:06:48,940 over there that concludes my opening statement 102 00:06:48,940 --> 00:06:57,020 i 103 00:06:57,020 --> 00:06:58,060 would ask first 104 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:06,760 When you go home tonight, let us all say a prayer for Susan 105 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,080 Ingram's and her family. 106 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,800 Nobody here can feel their pain. 107 00:07:14,020 --> 00:07:18,680 This judicial proceeding can never make them whole. 108 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:25,740 The prosecution has laid a setting of a horrible tragedy. 109 00:07:27,140 --> 00:07:33,380 Savagery. The defense does not dispute this, but we do take issue with their 110 00:07:33,380 --> 00:07:35,980 conclusion as to who is responsible. 111 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,900 It wasn't Brian Latham. 112 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:49,260 When the prosecution searched for a witness, they drew a blank. 113 00:07:51,220 --> 00:07:52,680 They looked for a motive. 114 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:55,520 Blank. 115 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:57,940 They searched for a weapon? 116 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Nothing. 117 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,400 They combed my client's person and property for bloodstains and forensic 118 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,400 evidence. 119 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:16,860 Any evidence at all that would connect Brian Latham to violence? 120 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:25,280 Nothing. As to their efforts to find the person who really was responsible for 121 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,280 this murder, 122 00:08:32,090 --> 00:08:34,870 Mr. Littleton has shown you the victim. 123 00:08:35,850 --> 00:08:38,710 I've shown you their case. 124 00:08:43,909 --> 00:08:50,010 Time of death, cause of death, absence of other hair or fibers on the body, in 125 00:08:50,010 --> 00:08:51,430 the car, or at the scene. 126 00:08:51,730 --> 00:08:55,390 Chuck and Carter, make sure your voice works, okay? We're not going to get a 127 00:08:55,390 --> 00:08:57,010 conviction if you sound like a damn chipmunk again. 128 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:58,410 Why are you so nervous? 129 00:08:58,710 --> 00:09:00,350 Because Wambaugh opened great, that's why. 130 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:02,520 Then you go up. 131 00:09:02,740 --> 00:09:06,260 You're going to cover all the prints, the tire tracks, the footprints, and 132 00:09:06,260 --> 00:09:07,500 corroborate the store owner's statement. 133 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:11,120 Then I put you up, Kenny. You are critical. Me, me, me. 134 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:12,380 Carter. 135 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,740 His pointing you to where the body was is the linchpin. 136 00:09:18,220 --> 00:09:23,140 His demeanor, his look of contrition, guilt, his sense of wanting redemption 137 00:09:23,140 --> 00:09:26,660 a crime he knew he committed, his feeling of remorse for taking a human 138 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:29,660 These are the things you saw in that cell, and these are the things you must 139 00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:30,820 make that jury see. 140 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:32,280 Moving over it. 141 00:09:32,540 --> 00:09:33,540 Okay. 142 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,580 There's one other thing we gotta talk about. 143 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:45,300 Now, I don't mean to be critical, but this is a reality that we're dealing 144 00:09:46,620 --> 00:09:50,200 The Sheriff's Department is perceived to be terrible and largely that perception 145 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,200 is accurate. 146 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,180 Your investigational habits are shoddy. There is a shocking lack of professional 147 00:09:56,180 --> 00:09:57,420 credibility in the personnel. 148 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,600 Kenny, your intelligence... doesn't translate. 149 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:03,740 Juries tend to think of you as simple. 150 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,320 Officer Stewart, you were thought of as intelligent and thorough, but also 151 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,320 erratic. 152 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,440 And Carter, where do I begin with you? 153 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:14,960 What's your point? 154 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,780 My point is, every case I prosecute is hampered by the credibility of this 155 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:20,780 branch. 156 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,400 Now, there are some pluses. 157 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,500 The people know and trust you. 158 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:28,350 And one of the reasons I didn't try to kick venue is because in another town, 159 00:10:28,490 --> 00:10:31,650 potential jurors might not extend the same personal trust that comes from 160 00:10:31,650 --> 00:10:35,250 knowing you. They'd only focus on the professional incompetence. We're not 161 00:10:35,250 --> 00:10:39,790 incompetent. Look, I don't mean to attack you, but I have to make you aware 162 00:10:39,790 --> 00:10:41,590 this reality so that you're prepared to beat it. 163 00:10:42,550 --> 00:10:44,830 When you get up on that stand, I want to see authority. 164 00:10:45,730 --> 00:10:49,190 Carter, you are a great medical examiner. Make that jury know that. 165 00:10:49,590 --> 00:10:53,570 Kenny, you're clear -headed. Be precise and decisive when you're in that witness 166 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:54,570 chair. 167 00:10:55,180 --> 00:10:58,180 A district attorney can only play his hand, and you people are my hand. 168 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,240 Now, I want that jury to know this son of a bitch is guilty because you know 169 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:04,900 You three know it. 170 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:14,380 So, if you think he did it, 171 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,240 then why are you helping him? 172 00:11:17,580 --> 00:11:21,820 You have to understand, Zach, even guilty defendants are entitled to a 173 00:11:21,820 --> 00:11:23,020 and a fair trial. 174 00:11:23,580 --> 00:11:24,580 Why? 175 00:11:26,030 --> 00:11:27,030 Well, I see. 176 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:32,610 The state has to prove guilt before they can lock somebody up. 177 00:11:33,550 --> 00:11:37,690 The defense attorneys have to make sure that the burden of proof is met in every 178 00:11:37,690 --> 00:11:38,690 case. 179 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:40,950 It's all about protecting our system of justice. 180 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:46,090 So when defense attorneys represent guilty people, they're nevertheless 181 00:11:46,090 --> 00:11:48,510 protecting the system. 182 00:11:50,030 --> 00:11:51,990 And by doing that, the innocent are served. 183 00:11:53,090 --> 00:11:54,090 Do you understand? 184 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,080 No. You will when you're old enough. 185 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,800 He killed somebody, and you're helping him. 186 00:12:04,300 --> 00:12:05,320 How old do I have to get? 187 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:08,260 Wambaugh is using you. 188 00:12:10,380 --> 00:12:15,480 The jury knows the sheriff's daughter is sitting at the defense table. 189 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,200 They probably know you were friends with Susan Ingram. 190 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:22,920 You're being used. 191 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:36,280 Time of death can't be fixed positive since the decomposition process is 192 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,900 affected by the body being in water, the temperature of which was 54 degrees 193 00:12:39,900 --> 00:12:45,040 Fahrenheit. But through forensics, entomology, rigor mortis, and post 194 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,120 changes, I can fix death between 1 and 4 a .m. Now, I should like to explain... 195 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:50,120 Objection! 196 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:51,760 Too boring. 197 00:12:52,180 --> 00:12:56,100 We'll agree that she died between 1 and 4 a .m. So stipulated. 198 00:12:56,700 --> 00:12:59,280 Were you able to determine the cause of death, Dr. Pike? 199 00:12:59,560 --> 00:13:00,560 Yes, I was. 200 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,480 Excuse me. 201 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,140 It was death by stabbing. 202 00:13:06,340 --> 00:13:10,120 The victim received multiple wounds from a seven -inch serrated blade. The fatal 203 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,280 blow being a stab wound to the heart itself. 204 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:16,940 I'd like to show you a picture of the victim... We'll stipulate that the girl 205 00:13:16,940 --> 00:13:18,260 was killed with a big knife. 206 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:21,920 I would like to be able to offer my evidence... You just want to show the 207 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,260 pictures off to shock the jury. 208 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:24,459 I agree. 209 00:13:24,460 --> 00:13:25,640 Move on, Mr. Littleton. 210 00:13:26,980 --> 00:13:29,500 What about the severing of the finger, Dr. Pike? 211 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Oh, yes. 212 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:35,910 This appeared to be a pre -mortem incision. 213 00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:40,470 Judging from the cuts on the dorsal side of the arms and the palms, it appeared 214 00:13:40,470 --> 00:13:44,370 the victim tried to defend herself inside the car. It was during the 215 00:13:44,370 --> 00:13:46,610 that I think the middle left finger was in fact severed. 216 00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:52,010 And is there anything else that these wounds told you, Dr. Pike, aside from 217 00:13:52,010 --> 00:13:53,010 cause of death? 218 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:57,330 Yes, that this was an extremely primal and brutal killing. 219 00:13:58,290 --> 00:13:59,890 This woman was butchered. 220 00:14:01,550 --> 00:14:04,590 It was the most gruesome autopsy ever in my professional experience. 221 00:14:05,890 --> 00:14:07,210 Thank you, Dr. Pike. 222 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:09,250 Nothing further. 223 00:14:11,790 --> 00:14:18,650 Dr. Pike, do any of your medical findings connect this crime to Brian 224 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:19,650 Latham? 225 00:14:19,870 --> 00:14:21,130 My medical findings? 226 00:14:23,570 --> 00:14:24,570 No. 227 00:14:25,130 --> 00:14:26,130 Thank you. 228 00:14:28,959 --> 00:14:31,840 That's the man, all right. He bought the beer and then he got right into her 229 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,700 car. And what time was that, sir? 230 00:14:34,060 --> 00:14:35,060 Just after 11. 231 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,660 And when I closed up at 12 .30, his truck was still parked in my lot. 232 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,500 And are you sure it was this man and the victim Susan Ingrams? 233 00:14:46,660 --> 00:14:47,660 Positive. 234 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,560 You said to the police my client looked normal, even friendly. 235 00:14:52,340 --> 00:14:53,340 Yes, I did. 236 00:14:53,380 --> 00:14:57,450 And after observing my client's behavior... You had no reason to think 237 00:14:57,450 --> 00:14:59,350 Susan Agrams was in danger, did you? 238 00:14:59,990 --> 00:15:01,730 Well, no. 239 00:15:02,070 --> 00:15:03,810 In fact, you never called the police. 240 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:06,230 Nothing seemed wrong. Is that correct? 241 00:15:07,770 --> 00:15:10,750 Yes, I guess that's so. Thank you, sir. 242 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:12,510 Nothing further? 243 00:15:13,730 --> 00:15:14,770 You may step down. 244 00:15:18,690 --> 00:15:20,250 The people call Elaine the fever. 245 00:15:21,130 --> 00:15:22,130 Objection! 246 00:15:22,590 --> 00:15:23,590 Sidebar. 247 00:15:29,140 --> 00:15:30,140 We've been through this. 248 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:31,500 She's excluded. 249 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:34,320 Just open the door on character testimony, Your Honor. What? 250 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,200 He got Mr. Emanuel to testify that the defendant was normal and friendly. He 251 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,220 character on issue. He cross -examined on what Mr. Emanuel saw. 252 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,240 The witness is excluded. It also goes to pattern, Your Honor. This man attacked 253 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,580 this girl at knife point. The witness is excluded. 254 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Damn it, Your Honor. 255 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,100 I don't think you meant to do that. 256 00:15:54,940 --> 00:15:57,160 I'm trying to put on a case here. 257 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:02,500 Fine. Do it, but you can't put witnesses up to establish that the defendant is a 258 00:16:02,500 --> 00:16:06,020 bad person Now get back 259 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:10,700 Does 260 00:16:10,700 --> 00:16:17,640 it bother you we're trying 261 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:24,060 to free a man who committed murder He never told me he's guilty 262 00:16:24,060 --> 00:16:26,460 you never asked him 263 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,060 I know this may be difficult to understand, but it would have been wrong 264 00:16:32,060 --> 00:16:33,060 to ask. 265 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,780 I did what a good defense attorney is supposed to do. 266 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,660 And that's what's hard to understand, that it's proper procedure for lawyers 267 00:16:41,660 --> 00:16:43,040 navigate around the truth. 268 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,660 The system of justice, Kimberly, doesn't always mean that the player should act 269 00:16:47,660 --> 00:16:49,940 justly. Take the Lefevre girl. 270 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,620 When John Littleton called her as a witness, he knew Judge Bone would deny 271 00:16:56,330 --> 00:17:00,630 But by calling her, the jury got to see that there was somebody else who had 272 00:17:00,630 --> 00:17:02,150 something to say for the prosecution. 273 00:17:03,430 --> 00:17:06,910 They get the impression there's more to tell than they're being told. 274 00:17:07,630 --> 00:17:08,630 It's cheating. 275 00:17:09,170 --> 00:17:11,349 Not much, just a little sleight of hand. 276 00:17:11,950 --> 00:17:16,450 We all do it because we know the other guys are going to do it and we don't 277 00:17:16,450 --> 00:17:17,450 them to have the edge. 278 00:17:20,730 --> 00:17:23,329 Judge Bone was right. It's all about winning and losing. 279 00:17:24,619 --> 00:17:28,580 Well, the truth is supposed to be a product of the adversary process. 280 00:17:29,260 --> 00:17:33,580 So yes, that means both sides try to win at all costs. 281 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,860 Even when it means we're trying to free a guilty killer. 282 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,860 I try not to ask myself such tricky questions. 283 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,560 All hair and fibers found in the car belonged either to the victim, the 284 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,260 family members who also drove the car, or the defendant. 285 00:17:55,620 --> 00:17:56,620 The defendant? 286 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:02,680 Yes. Several strands of hair found on the victim or in her car matched the 287 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,460 samples taken from Brian Latham. 288 00:18:04,700 --> 00:18:09,700 We also found slight skin fragments under her fingernails that were an 289 00:18:09,700 --> 00:18:11,100 genetic match with the defendant. 290 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:14,800 You have an established foundation for this witness to give DNA evidence. 291 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:16,700 In the spirit of cooperation. 292 00:18:17,530 --> 00:18:21,450 will stipulate that the hair, skin, and clothing fibers probably came from my 293 00:18:21,450 --> 00:18:25,650 client. Well, this all happened during a brief wrestling match where my client 294 00:18:25,650 --> 00:18:27,230 unsuccessfully tried for sex. 295 00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:28,430 Move to strike. 296 00:18:28,590 --> 00:18:29,590 Sustained. 297 00:18:29,730 --> 00:18:32,430 The jury will disregard defense counsel's last statement. 298 00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:33,870 Move on. 299 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:36,430 What other evidence did you find, deputy? 300 00:18:37,290 --> 00:18:41,930 The only tire tracks leading to the pond were those of the victim's car, meaning 301 00:18:41,930 --> 00:18:47,090 whoever committed the murder probably drove in the victim's car to the swamp, 302 00:18:47,310 --> 00:18:50,730 dumped the body, then drove the car back to where it was discovered the 303 00:18:50,730 --> 00:18:52,190 following morning on Prospect Road. 304 00:18:53,050 --> 00:18:55,530 And did you find any footprints at the pond site? 305 00:18:56,110 --> 00:18:57,110 We did. 306 00:18:57,450 --> 00:19:01,370 And they matched the shoes being worn by the defendant at the time we arrested 307 00:19:01,370 --> 00:19:05,190 him. And were there any other prints to suggest that someone else had been 308 00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:06,860 around? No, there were not. 309 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,680 And were there any hairs or fibers found on the person of the victim that did 310 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,000 not come from either the victim or the defendant? 311 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,200 No, there were not. 312 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Thank you, Deputy. 313 00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:20,140 I have nothing further. 314 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:31,580 When you arrested my client, you checked his person, his truck, and motel room 315 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:33,200 for physical evidence, didn't you? 316 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:34,580 Yes. 317 00:19:35,050 --> 00:19:36,110 Did you find any? 318 00:19:37,010 --> 00:19:38,010 No. 319 00:19:38,190 --> 00:19:41,230 Nothing? Not even a spattering of blood? 320 00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:42,830 Not anything? 321 00:19:43,590 --> 00:19:46,010 No. You never found a murder weapon? 322 00:19:46,790 --> 00:19:47,790 No, we did not. 323 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:50,030 Eyewitnesses? No. 324 00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:52,430 What a thing. 325 00:19:53,630 --> 00:19:57,030 Before Susan Ingrins left the house on a night of questions, do you know what 326 00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:58,030 happened? 327 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,660 She was involved in an argument with her parents. An angry argument, according 328 00:20:02,660 --> 00:20:04,500 to the statement that they made to the police. 329 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:08,260 And you say you found their hair and fibers in her car. 330 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,420 Maybe they found her and killed her. Objection, counsel. 331 00:20:11,740 --> 00:20:13,540 It's just a theory, I know. 332 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:17,280 Did you explore this possibility, Deputy Stewart? 333 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,720 No, we did not. 334 00:20:18,980 --> 00:20:19,980 Why not? 335 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,260 There was no evidence indicating any involvement by the parents. 336 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,840 You didn't even consider that it could be anybody else, did you, Deputy? 337 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:33,980 All the evidence pointed to him. All the evidence you bothered to collect. 338 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:38,660 Under oath, Deputy Stewart, there's been a lot of public pressure for you to 339 00:20:38,660 --> 00:20:40,120 solve this crime, hasn't there? 340 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,380 Public hysteria does not compromise our investigation. 341 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,100 I again remind you that you are under oath. 342 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,260 When you interrogated Brian Latham... 343 00:20:49,790 --> 00:20:54,050 Did you say to him, you won't get a fair trial. 344 00:20:54,530 --> 00:20:56,810 Somebody's going to pay for what happened to this girl. 345 00:20:57,190 --> 00:21:01,450 If you're the only suspect we offer up, then it'll be you, whether you're 346 00:21:01,450 --> 00:21:02,770 innocent or not. 347 00:21:06,490 --> 00:21:07,990 Did you say that, deputy? 348 00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:14,770 That was in the context of an interrogation. He told you he was 349 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,860 And you responded, it doesn't matter. 350 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,600 Somebody has to be blamed. And then you said, we're the cops. 351 00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:23,740 We can do anything we want. 352 00:21:27,980 --> 00:21:32,380 We were doing a good cop, bad cop thing. You said it, didn't you? 353 00:21:33,860 --> 00:21:36,180 Yes. But you don't understand. 354 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Thank you. 355 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,840 But I think I do. 356 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,340 I can't take this. I just cannot take this anymore. 357 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,600 First, you violate the Constitution. 358 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,320 Now, the case should have been kicked on that screw -up. And now this? 359 00:22:07,900 --> 00:22:13,760 I cannot take... You tell the defendant that he will not get a fair trial. It 360 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,460 doesn't matter if he's innocent or not. The jury's going to convict him anyway? 361 00:22:17,260 --> 00:22:18,280 It was a tactic. 362 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,560 A tactic? 363 00:22:19,980 --> 00:22:22,520 It was a tact... Oh, it was a tactic. 364 00:22:23,199 --> 00:22:28,040 We dispense with the Constitution as a tactic. We threaten unfair trials as a 365 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,220 tactic. These are the tactics of the Rome, Wisconsin Sheriff's Department. 366 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:34,180 I have had it. John. No, a killer's going to walk, Sheriff. 367 00:22:34,380 --> 00:22:35,380 Don't defend them. 368 00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:37,100 Take responsibility. 369 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:41,540 Their behavior is a reflection on you, and right now your whole damn 370 00:22:41,540 --> 00:22:42,540 department's a joke. 371 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:43,920 I'm a joke. 372 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,620 We are the team responsible for letting a murderer walk. 373 00:22:49,290 --> 00:22:52,370 Turn on the newscast tomorrow night and just listen to what all the commentators 374 00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:55,390 are saying about all of us. And if that doesn't sink in, try. 375 00:22:55,670 --> 00:22:58,190 Just try making eye contact with Susan Ingram's parents. 376 00:22:58,690 --> 00:23:02,450 Their daughter was chopped into pieces and the man who's responsible is going 377 00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:05,030 go free because of our incompetence. This isn't over yet. 378 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:06,290 There's still Kenny's testimony. 379 00:23:07,010 --> 00:23:08,750 Imagine the confidence I get from that. 380 00:23:09,630 --> 00:23:11,030 Nothing is helped by this. 381 00:23:13,090 --> 00:23:17,650 Deputy Lacos, tomorrow, tomorrow I put the whole prosecution in your hands. 382 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Unexpected surprises are the best. 383 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:36,940 Not to me. 384 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:38,140 Get out. 385 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:39,360 You're a character. 386 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,200 I'm also the judge in the case you're trying. 387 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,720 Don't you know what ex parte is? Of course I do. It's Latin. 388 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:49,020 But when I saw you eating, I thought you might want company. 389 00:23:49,300 --> 00:23:50,680 Social. Wrong again. 390 00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:52,220 Get out. 391 00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:53,680 You know, Henry... 392 00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:57,450 Not to discuss the facts, because I know I cannot do that. 393 00:23:58,170 --> 00:24:00,090 But what a cross I had today. 394 00:24:00,570 --> 00:24:04,810 Would Max understand any lawyer could only hope to have one cross like that in 395 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,090 career? I could actually get this guy off. 396 00:24:07,870 --> 00:24:09,230 You must be very proud. 397 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:15,490 Back when I started practice, I would actually get aroused by success in the 398 00:24:15,490 --> 00:24:16,490 courtroom. 399 00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:20,370 Sexually stimulated. Not a lot, but a little. 400 00:24:22,700 --> 00:24:26,940 I'm so happy you're sharing this. This all happened when I was in my 20s. 401 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,720 I won a lot of cases since then. It's become routine. 402 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:37,080 But today when I crossed Max, and when she admitted to those things that she 403 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,800 said in the interrogation, what a rush. 404 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:42,240 I felt a little tingle. 405 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,100 Not much, just a little. 406 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,440 I had a moment, Henry. 407 00:24:52,780 --> 00:24:57,620 You must admit that the practice of law can be a very gratifying thing. 408 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,420 Boy, do I need a housekeeper. 409 00:25:15,140 --> 00:25:16,140 Boy's gone? 410 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,040 Yeah, they left early. They wanted to walk. 411 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,660 Shouldn't you be going to school? 412 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:25,700 I'm in court. The teachers know. 413 00:25:27,060 --> 00:25:28,120 Shouldn't miss a whole week. 414 00:25:29,420 --> 00:25:30,420 What's the problem, Daddy? 415 00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:34,460 You don't want me sitting at Wambaugh's table. I get it. But don't come at me 416 00:25:34,460 --> 00:25:35,640 sideways with the school thing. 417 00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,020 Don't talk to me with that tone. 418 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,800 My tone is honest. All right. 419 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:43,700 You want me out of that courtroom so the jury might think that I abandoned the 420 00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:45,450 defense. So how about this, Daddy? 421 00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:49,090 How about I go to court, announce Brian Latham is guilty, and then I'll go to 422 00:25:49,090 --> 00:25:52,370 school? I told you to drop that tone. What about the tone I've been getting 423 00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:54,390 you all week? I haven't even been able to look at you in my class to talk to 424 00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:55,490 you. Jimmy, I'm an adult now. 425 00:25:55,690 --> 00:25:58,350 I don't need... You're a little sensitive because you are ashamed of 426 00:25:58,350 --> 00:25:59,009 are doing. 427 00:25:59,010 --> 00:26:02,430 You should be ashamed of trying to take advantage of... I am ashamed. I'm 428 00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:04,390 ashamed of my daughter. Jim! Go to hell! 429 00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:10,090 I knew he believed in God. 430 00:26:10,670 --> 00:26:14,650 And I asked him, as a believer in God, As a believer that every Christian 431 00:26:14,650 --> 00:26:18,310 deserves a proper burial, I asked him to tell me where that body lay. 432 00:26:18,730 --> 00:26:19,730 And his response? 433 00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:21,730 At first, he just looked down. 434 00:26:22,150 --> 00:26:23,930 So I asked him to think about her parents. 435 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:26,010 I asked him to make things right. 436 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:29,470 I asked him again, make things right. 437 00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:31,350 That's when he told me. 438 00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:32,810 Told you where to look. 439 00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:37,110 Exactly. We then proceeded to the destination and retrieved the corpse. 440 00:26:37,890 --> 00:26:41,250 And did Brian Latham admit to killing Susan Ingram? 441 00:26:41,610 --> 00:26:44,290 He didn't say it in words, but he made it clear. 442 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:46,730 He put that girl in the swamp. 443 00:26:48,590 --> 00:26:49,590 Thank you, Deputy. 444 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:50,650 I have nothing further. 445 00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:55,390 Are you a mind reader, Kenny? 446 00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:57,150 No, sir, I'm not. 447 00:26:57,490 --> 00:27:00,850 Yet you say that my client made something clear without words. 448 00:27:01,690 --> 00:27:03,110 What'd you do, play charades? 449 00:27:04,330 --> 00:27:08,050 All I can say, Counsel, is that communication isn't limited to words. 450 00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:09,990 sir... May I finish my response, please? No. 451 00:27:11,749 --> 00:27:18,230 Yes Go ahead He was careful not to say it exactly but I was in that room 452 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:24,130 I do why we looked at each other Catholic the Catholic we knew we had to 453 00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:26,970 the truth and He told me where the body was. 454 00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:29,170 He was admitting to me that he killed her. 455 00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:30,770 Did he say it with words? 456 00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:33,330 No Did he say it? 457 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:40,300 Yes, he did So, we have to assume the body language skills of Kenny Lockers. I 458 00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:43,640 was the only person in the room with him. You can't contradict me because you 459 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,920 weren't there. And I'm telling you and everybody in this room, that man killed 460 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,920 Susan Ingrams. 461 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,460 Objection. Sustained. 462 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,780 That remark is stricken. Any more questions, Mr. Wambaugh? 463 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,040 No, Your Honor. 464 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,600 Nothing further. 465 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,860 The witness may step down. 466 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,680 We just got hurt. 467 00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:12,180 Kenny was good. 468 00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:15,560 So what happens now? I think we gotta testify. 469 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,740 Now, you listen to me very carefully, Mr. Latham. Your life depends on it. 470 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,400 Follow this. 471 00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:25,120 If you don't testify, we will lose. 472 00:28:25,420 --> 00:28:26,420 Now, that's simple. 473 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,080 Here's where it's complicated. 474 00:28:28,500 --> 00:28:32,380 As your lawyer, I have an obligation to say that you must tell the truth. 475 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:38,140 If I know you're going to lie, I have a duty to either not put you up there... 476 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:42,980 or to let you testify in the narrative only, in which case the jury will figure 477 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:43,879 things out. 478 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,720 The best thing would be, of course, for me to believe that you didn't kill Susan 479 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,160 Ingrams. Then I would have no ethical problem putting you on the stand. 480 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,520 You with me? 481 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:53,740 I think so. 482 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,440 So I'm now going to ask you for the first time. 483 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Did you kill Susan Ingrams? 484 00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:03,380 No, I did not. 485 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,560 Excellent. Now here are the problem areas you must explore. Kimberly? 486 00:29:08,879 --> 00:29:12,700 Fragments of your skin found under her fingernail. You said you briefly 487 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:14,320 with her. A little sexual foreplay. 488 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,080 Perhaps it got rough and she scratched you. 489 00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:18,500 I don't know. 490 00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:19,980 It's for you to think about. 491 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Kimberly. Your footprints at the scene, you're knowing where the body was. 492 00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:26,140 That's their whole case. 493 00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:29,560 If you can satisfy these questions, we still have a chance. 494 00:29:30,300 --> 00:29:35,020 Remember, you have an obligation to tell the truth at all times, of course. Of 495 00:29:35,020 --> 00:29:36,020 course. 496 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:37,620 Very important. 497 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:44,620 If Mr. Littleton traps you on cross, if he catches you in any misstatement, it's 498 00:29:44,620 --> 00:29:48,080 probably because this whole thing is so upsetting that you'll get confused. 499 00:29:48,900 --> 00:29:52,040 Imagine being accused of such a horrible crime. 500 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,700 Whose mind wouldn't be affected? 501 00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:54,939 I got you. 502 00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:55,940 Good. 503 00:29:56,340 --> 00:30:00,380 So tell me, what happened after the two of you left the store? 504 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,000 At first, we just drove around drinking the beer. 505 00:30:04,540 --> 00:30:07,700 We actually drove down to the pond for a little bit. I got out and looked 506 00:30:07,700 --> 00:30:09,460 around. You went to the pond? 507 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:12,660 Just for a few minutes. She said it was her favorite place. 508 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,640 Then we went driving around some more and pulled over on a dirt road. 509 00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:19,040 And what happened there? 510 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,460 Well, we finished the beer and we started to kiss a little bit. 511 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,520 Then things kind of heated up. 512 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,880 How? 513 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,460 Well, the kissing got a little more passionate. 514 00:30:30,020 --> 00:30:33,380 And I, uh... You know... 515 00:30:33,660 --> 00:30:35,220 Touched her breasts and buttocks. 516 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,400 And this was all consensual? 517 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,460 Completely. Then I kind of tried to take her pants off and we wrestled a little. 518 00:30:44,940 --> 00:30:46,160 She kind of scratched me. 519 00:30:46,620 --> 00:30:47,660 She scratched you? 520 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:49,340 Yes. 521 00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:52,100 She said she didn't want to go any further, so we stopped. 522 00:30:52,460 --> 00:30:53,460 And then what? 523 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,460 Then she drove me back down to the store. 524 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:56,920 Probably around two. 525 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,400 I got out, got in my truck, and drove home. 526 00:31:01,850 --> 00:31:03,150 That was the last I saw her. 527 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:08,070 Well, Brian, how did you know where the body was? 528 00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:09,630 I didn't know. 529 00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:13,390 Deputy Lacos kept pressing me for places to look. 530 00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:18,190 She had said that the pond was one of her favorite places, and I kind of 531 00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:19,190 directed him to look there. 532 00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:20,830 I didn't know. 533 00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:23,370 I was just trying to help. 534 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:26,550 You were just trying to help? 535 00:31:27,930 --> 00:31:30,890 Tell me something, Mr. Latham. Why didn't you tell the police you'd been to 536 00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:31,890 pond? 537 00:31:32,030 --> 00:31:35,590 As they brought me in, my lawyer instructed me to tell them nothing. But 538 00:31:35,590 --> 00:31:36,590 went on to say a lot. 539 00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:41,210 Well, once they said I was a suspect, I certainly told them all that I thought 540 00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:44,350 was relevant, that I'd been kissing her and that we were together. 541 00:31:44,850 --> 00:31:48,530 I didn't think the pond was really relevant at that point. But at some 542 00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:49,830 you changed your mind about that. 543 00:31:50,250 --> 00:31:55,590 Well, when she didn't turn up, I remembered her telling me that the pond 544 00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:56,590 favorite place. 545 00:31:56,970 --> 00:32:00,730 So I thought maybe she went back there and maybe something happened to her 546 00:32:00,730 --> 00:32:03,270 there, but I didn't do it. Yeah, you keep saying that. 547 00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:08,050 Is there anybody who can verify the time that you got back to your motel that 548 00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:11,330 night? I don't know. It's your job to collect evidence, not mine, sir. 549 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:13,310 Thank you. 550 00:32:13,570 --> 00:32:17,210 And isn't it funny how all the evidence we did collect points right at you? 551 00:32:17,710 --> 00:32:20,870 And isn't it strange that you knew exactly where that body could be found? 552 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:24,790 But you say you didn't do it, so I guess it's our evidence versus your 553 00:32:24,790 --> 00:32:25,790 credibility. 554 00:32:26,190 --> 00:32:27,710 Have you ever been convicted of a crime? 555 00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:31,150 I asked you a question, sir. 556 00:32:33,790 --> 00:32:35,770 Breaking and entering. How many times? 557 00:32:36,250 --> 00:32:37,250 Twice. 558 00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:40,090 You're a convicted felon. 559 00:32:41,150 --> 00:32:44,830 So can we both agree that when this jury goes back to deliberate that it should 560 00:32:44,830 --> 00:32:45,930 turn on your credibility? 561 00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:47,650 Objection. Sustained. 562 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:49,330 One last thing. 563 00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:55,050 You said when it became clear that the girl couldn't be found. 564 00:32:55,820 --> 00:32:57,680 You directed Kenny to the pond. 565 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,680 But when the police first brought you in, they made it clear that Susan Ingram 566 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,680 was missing. 567 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,780 Why didn't you tell them about the pond then? 568 00:33:09,220 --> 00:33:11,600 I, uh... I forgot. 569 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,640 You forgot? 570 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,560 I was being accused of a horrible crime. 571 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,760 I was upset. 572 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,880 Can you imagine being told you're a murder suspect? 573 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,440 I was in shock. 574 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,640 Yeah, I bet you were. 575 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,280 I'm done with this witness. 576 00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:35,360 The witness may step down. 577 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,280 must be something in the water in Rome, Wisconsin, because things just seem to 578 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,520 keep happening there, and they happen fast. 579 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,520 Today, the Brian Latham murder trial is expected to go to the jury, just two 580 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:04,140 weeks after the defendant allegedly killed Susan Engrams. You'll remember, 581 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:09,000 is the same town where the mayor was convicted of murder last year, only to 582 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,000 succeeded by another mayor who was murdered by his own son. 583 00:34:15,799 --> 00:34:18,020 Maybe we should move. Just eat your cereal, Zach. 584 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,460 I'm off to court. Anybody got a problem with that? 585 00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:24,580 No. 586 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,000 Not at all? 587 00:34:26,340 --> 00:34:27,340 Good. 588 00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:31,280 We all want to believe. 589 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,880 He's the guy. 590 00:34:35,219 --> 00:34:36,739 We're desperate to believe it. 591 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,639 Of course, then we can fix things. 592 00:34:39,580 --> 00:34:43,480 You'd find him guilty, get him off the street, go back to feeling safe and 593 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,780 sitting on our front porches. 594 00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:48,210 The facts, they're pretty good. 595 00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:53,810 He was last seen with her. His footprints were at the pond, and he knew 596 00:34:53,810 --> 00:34:54,768 the body was. 597 00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:58,930 Now, you could take the circumstantial evidence, combine it with your fear and 598 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,730 desperation, and fudge a conviction. 599 00:35:01,270 --> 00:35:04,130 The town will probably be grateful to you. 600 00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:11,470 But I bet that there are a few of you who are afraid of condemning an innocent 601 00:35:11,470 --> 00:35:12,470 man. 602 00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:18,390 Maybe some of you take seriously the obligation to find guilt beyond a 603 00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:19,390 reasonable doubt. 604 00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:22,590 Then you've got trouble. 605 00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:29,650 He drove to the pond with her. Then to a roadside where they kissed a little and 606 00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:34,890 wrestled some. That explains all the physical evidence. The hairs, the 607 00:35:35,090 --> 00:35:36,090 the footprints. 608 00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:40,370 His knowledge that she liked the pond. That explains it all. 609 00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:43,190 No weapon. 610 00:35:44,370 --> 00:35:45,430 No witnesses. 611 00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:49,010 No blood of my client or his possessions. 612 00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:50,990 Nothing even microscopic. 613 00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:53,530 How is that possible? 614 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:57,210 There would have to be a small spattering of blood somewhere. 615 00:35:58,450 --> 00:35:59,450 Simple answer. 616 00:36:00,250 --> 00:36:02,110 He didn't do it. 617 00:36:03,350 --> 00:36:05,750 Brian Latham is innocent. 618 00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:10,870 And even if you hate the thought of it, you at least have to admit the 619 00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:11,870 possibility. 620 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,080 It's at least possible somebody came after Brian left and killed Susan 621 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,360 Deputy Stewart testified that they didn't even look for anybody else. They 622 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,380 didn't even investigate it. 623 00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:29,420 They were confident that you would convict whoever they would throw up for 624 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:30,420 sacrifice. 625 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,280 So what do you do? 626 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,340 I could ask you to go back to that room and do right by Brian Latham. 627 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:40,080 I could ask you to do right by the system. 628 00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:44,640 Instead, I'll only ask you to do right by yourselves. 629 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,820 You all know there's reasonable doubt. 630 00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:50,920 You can't not know it. 631 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:57,520 So all I ask is that when you come back out of that jury room, come out with 632 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,100 your integrity intact. 633 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,020 Come out with a verdict of not guilty. 634 00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:07,150 He's right, not guilty. 635 00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:08,470 Come on. 636 00:37:09,930 --> 00:37:10,930 Mr. 637 00:37:12,750 --> 00:37:13,750 Littleton? 638 00:37:15,350 --> 00:37:16,670 You better be good. 639 00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:21,990 Well, for once, I agree with him. 640 00:37:23,350 --> 00:37:25,410 This thing comes down to your integrity. 641 00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:30,970 The last thing I do is ask you to safeguard the system. The system today 642 00:37:30,970 --> 00:37:31,970 perverted. 643 00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:34,730 Attorneys jockey for positioning. 644 00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:37,230 We manipulate the press for jury bias. 645 00:37:37,950 --> 00:37:41,790 We hire publicists to remake criminals into victims. 646 00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:43,490 The truth? 647 00:37:43,710 --> 00:37:46,250 The truth is only relevant if it supports our case. 648 00:37:47,950 --> 00:37:51,970 But this process still has one redeeming exception that continues to make it the 649 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:54,370 best in the world. It's called the jury. 650 00:37:55,970 --> 00:38:00,670 It's made up of people who, for the most part, still cling to the ideal that it 651 00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:02,250 must be about truth. 652 00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:04,710 It may be diminishing. 653 00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:11,290 But many Americans are still raised with a public conscience, an ingrained sense 654 00:38:11,290 --> 00:38:12,290 of morality. 655 00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:17,750 And if we get enough of those people in this box, the system still works. 656 00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:23,070 I don't know what we've got in this box today. 657 00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:29,690 I do know you can go back to that room, dissect all the semantics, play with the 658 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:32,630 pieces of evidence, consider all the magical possibilities. 659 00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:35,370 You could stay back in that room for a week. 660 00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:37,150 Because anything is possible. 661 00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:40,030 Anything can be doubted. 662 00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:42,670 But reasonable doubt? 663 00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:48,970 Drifter with a criminal record. 664 00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:53,330 Last seen with her. Knows exactly where the body was. 665 00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:56,050 His skin is under her fingernails. Come on! 666 00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:58,370 He killed that girl. 667 00:38:58,990 --> 00:39:01,970 He lied up on that chair. Every one of us knows that. 668 00:39:03,370 --> 00:39:06,030 Now, is it possible the things that he said? Of course. 669 00:39:06,370 --> 00:39:11,330 Is it conceivable that he forgot to mention the pond to the police, but then 670 00:39:11,330 --> 00:39:13,530 remembered on the stand with the help from his lawyer? 671 00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:18,970 Anything is conceivable, but that's not what happened. 672 00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:24,330 You look each other in the eye when you go back to that room. You know what 673 00:39:24,330 --> 00:39:25,330 happened. 674 00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:31,210 That man brutally stabbed this girl to her death. 675 00:39:32,590 --> 00:39:34,970 Their daughter, Susan Ingram. 676 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:39,810 She's gone. 677 00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:43,090 She's gone forever. 678 00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:48,650 Do you people have a conscience? 679 00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:52,970 A barometer of good and evil? 680 00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:55,470 Show me. 681 00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:57,510 Show this community. 682 00:39:57,970 --> 00:39:59,750 Show these parents. 683 00:40:00,170 --> 00:40:01,170 Show them. 684 00:40:01,930 --> 00:40:05,150 That the truth, in fact, does count more than the contest. 685 00:40:07,890 --> 00:40:11,430 Like he said, come out of that room with your integrity intact. 686 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,560 When I said I was ashamed of you, I didn't mean it. 687 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:53,380 I know. 688 00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,280 I think the law can be a very noble profession. 689 00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:01,880 Especially if you're part of it. 690 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,840 You're an extraordinary young woman, Kimberly. 691 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,140 I'm just afraid that you'll set your standards by one ball. 692 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:19,840 That would be a shame. 693 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,440 The court will come to order. 694 00:42:04,170 --> 00:42:05,890 Will the defendant please rise? 695 00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:11,310 Madam Poorman, has the jury reached the verdict? 696 00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:13,110 We have, Your Honor. 697 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:14,750 What say you? 698 00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:19,610 In the matter of people versus Brian Latham on the charge of murder in the 699 00:42:19,610 --> 00:42:23,550 degree, we find the defendant guilty as charged. 700 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,240 Members of the jury, thank you for your time. 701 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,140 Your service is concluded. 702 00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,140 This matter is adjourned. 703 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,300 Bailiff, take the defendant into custody. 704 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,259 Will appeal. 705 00:43:04,260 --> 00:43:05,640 I've already written the brief. 706 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,640 Van's waiting out back. Let's get him down. Deputy, one second. 707 00:43:08,860 --> 00:43:10,060 Come on. One second, please. 708 00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:12,180 Alone. 709 00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:13,660 Hold on. 710 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,440 Make it quick. 711 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,680 It's all over. 712 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,440 Done. 713 00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:23,120 I got no motive to say anything to you. Say it fast. 714 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,240 Truth time. 715 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,640 Catholic to Catholic. 716 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:29,640 Me to you. 717 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:33,910 I didn't do it. 718 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:37,690 I'm going to jail forever. 719 00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:41,210 I know it. 720 00:43:41,730 --> 00:43:42,730 I'm convicted. 721 00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:45,010 But I'm innocent. 722 00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:49,410 We gotta go. Come on. 55677

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