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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,439 'My father's family name being Pirrip 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,479 and my Christian name Philip, 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,159 my infant tongue could make of both names 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,199 nothing longer or more explicit than... Pip. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,439 So, I called myself Pip, 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,039 and came to be called Pip.' 7 00:00:39,480 --> 00:00:43,839 There has never been a more perfect marriage of director and material 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,199 than David Lean's 1946 adaptation of Great Expectations. 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,239 Indeed, he was often called a visual novelist. 10 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,599 Published in 1861, Charles Dickens' novel tells the story of Pip, 11 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,679 whose humble expectations are transformed 12 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,799 by his encounter with escaped convict Magwitch 13 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,720 and the bitter, jilted Miss Havisham. 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,839 Would you agree that Great Expectations 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,079 is the perfect marriage of director and source material? 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,559 I think so. And I think it's critical 17 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,079 that it comes at this point in David Lean's career. 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,959 Both Dickens and David Lean 19 00:01:19,960 --> 00:01:23,919 are exploring, I guess, aspects of the British story. 20 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,319 I mean, they... throughout their careers both have looked at class, 21 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:30,159 they've looked at money, and they've looked at 22 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,559 the interior of the human experience. 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,799 So it's what do people think, feel, 24 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,719 and what are the blockages that are both social and internal? 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,759 And Dickens is able to do that as a novelist 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,959 through the interior monologue. 27 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:47,959 What Lean is doing increasingly across the course of his career 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,479 and at this point with Great Expectations 29 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,399 probably for the first time really fusing it, 30 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,479 is he's able to tell the interior monologue of a character 31 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,279 through the way he shoots them, with visuals, with representations, 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,999 with symbols and with leitmotifs, to where he finally hits that point 33 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,759 where he's discovering and uncovering character. 34 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:28,239 Keep still, you little devil, 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,119 or I'll cut your throat. No, sir, no! 36 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,559 Tell us your name. Quick! 37 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,399 Pip. Pip, sir. 38 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,599 Great Expectations directed by David Lean 39 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,839 marks the first time that Lean would adapt source material from Dickens. 40 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,399 And while Dickens novels had been adapted for the screen before, 41 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,639 Lean brings something truly special to this adaptation. 42 00:03:15,640 --> 00:03:19,359 And a lot of it is around the fact that Lean was a visual storyteller. 43 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,039 And he brings such atmosphere and such thoughtfulness 44 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:28,439 to the historical accuracy that it brings Dickens to life, I think, 45 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,799 for an entirely new generation. 46 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,119 David Lean's film version of Dickens' Great Expectations, 47 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,039 that he made in 1946, is a very good example 48 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,439 of two perfect storytellers collaborating. 49 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,159 Lean hadn't read any Dickens 50 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,119 before he was introduced to Great Expectations 51 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,479 by a stage adaptation. 52 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,079 And when he saw that, he realised that there was something about it 53 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,279 that he fully engaged with. 54 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,679 Being a storyteller himself, albeit a visual one, a cinematic one, 55 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:09,519 I think that he felt a kind of... relationship with Dickens. 56 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,959 Let's talk a bit about the original novel, 57 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,559 because even among Dickens' great array of novels 58 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,359 it's considered one of his best. Why is that? 59 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,439 I think one of the things about Great Expectations 60 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,039 is the story is... beautifully timeless. 61 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,199 It's about... well, so many things, 62 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,839 but you could boil it down, as David Lean did, to two big themes. 63 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:37,759 There's the sort of futility of it and the eternity of love. 64 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,199 You make the incorrect decision in love and you can't pull out of it. 65 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,319 That's one doom. The other futility is trying to change your class. 66 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,839 In British society, you're not really allowed to move up a class. 67 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:53,319 That doesn't really happen. You know, 68 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,119 the entire motif of British sitcoms is you cannot move up in a class. 69 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,319 So these two are the strongest themes of the... the novel. 70 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,559 There are lots of other things he explores, things like poverty, 71 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,199 the trap of poverty, betrayal, all sorts of other elements, 72 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,439 but those, I think, are the strongest parts of the story. 73 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,479 Although many people love Dickens' A Tale Of Two Cities, 74 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,759 which preceded Great Expectations, 75 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,999 or they might love A Christmas Carol, 76 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,159 the thing that's really special about Great Expectations 77 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,439 is it combines and influences so many other genres of novel to come. 78 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:32,159 It's a morality tale. It's the story of a man's coming of age 79 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:37,199 from boy to man. It's a story of rags to riches to rags again. 80 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,519 Great Expectations is relatively late in Dickens canon, 81 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,359 but it is clearly one of the most popular books that he ever wrote. 82 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,559 Perhaps only slightly less popular than A Christmas Carol. 83 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,999 I think the reason for its popularity, 84 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,839 and it has been adapted for stage, screen, 85 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,399 and television countless times, 86 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,439 is because it does so many different things in one. 87 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,239 On the one hand, it is a melodrama about a young man 88 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,719 seeking his identity, an orphan who wants to find his true self. 89 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,359 At the same time is a critique of Victorian society 90 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,119 and the aspirations thereof. 91 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,439 There is a thriller element to it 92 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,999 and there is also a comic element too. 93 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,239 It's a book that's designed to be read aloud. 94 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,479 So Dickens would do readings of his work for money. 95 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,439 He was always desperately broke, 96 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,599 it was an important income source for him. But other people 97 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,559 would do this later in pubs and bars because literacy was not universal. 98 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,799 And when you look at the book from that perspective, 99 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,479 it is this... almost comedic role of jokes, 100 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,399 of comments, of sideswipes. 101 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,319 It is almost like a stand-up routine when spoken. 102 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,119 And when put on the page, it has a lightness to it. 103 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,359 When it explores these very dark and very complex themes, 104 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,999 it does so with such a joyous lightness of touch. 105 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,719 Great Expectations, like most of Dickens' work, 106 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,239 was also released and published as a serial piece of work, 107 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,799 which means that it has this episodic quality 108 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,239 throughout its main character Pip's life. 109 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,639 That means that it kind of lends itself to many subplots, 110 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,199 to various ensemble characters 111 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,319 who have complex relationships with our protagonist. 112 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,479 And often that lends itself to melodrama as well. 113 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,319 And the Victorians loved and lapped up melodrama. 114 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,559 They loved the story of a child missing and reunited with a mother. 115 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,599 They loved the story of someone 116 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,519 who discovers their secret benefactor 117 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,639 was an escaped convict that they knew all along. 118 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,799 Dickens had an interest in childhood, 119 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,159 and particularly in orphans. And he showed that previously 120 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,639 with David Copperfield. And with this story, 121 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,479 he does have imperilled children, 122 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,039 and children who form quite meaningful relationships 123 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,399 early in life like Pip and Estella. 124 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,719 And then you watch as those relationships 125 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,319 develop over a number of years, really up until their old age, 126 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,799 but you always know that in spite of the twists and turns 127 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,679 and sort of theatrical things within these stories 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,599 and the surprise twists, that you will see 129 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,119 a narrative resolution to the stories of these characters, 130 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,639 even if it's not necessarily a happy one. 131 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,159 Lean's version is a triumph of casting. 132 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,519 John Mills as the spirited Pip. 133 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,479 Alec Guinness as loyal friend Herbert Pocket. 134 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,839 Finlay Currie as Magwitch. 135 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,479 Martita Hunt as Miss Havisham. 136 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,879 And Valerie Hobson as that uncaring object of Pip's affections, 137 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:37,919 the cruel Estella. 138 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,439 And it is a triumph of imagery. 139 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,999 Watching Great Expectations, it is as if the Dickensian world 140 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,159 is being invented before our eyes. 141 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:50,239 The breathtaking exteriors, the almost fairy-tale sets, 142 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,079 that indelible sense of place and time and mystery. 143 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,719 A supreme example of filmmaking craft, 144 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,520 Great Expectations is a true wonder of British cinema. 145 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,320 Come along, boy! 146 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,800 Take your hat off! 147 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,239 Great Expectations finds two of our leading storytellers 148 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,199 at the height of their powers, David Lean and Charles Dickens. 149 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,639 The author's 13th novel is one of his greatest achievements. 150 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,719 Adapted 28 times for stage and screen, 151 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,359 with all its secrets and devious schemes, 152 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,879 this is both Dickens richest and arguably darkest work. 153 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,439 It is Lean who added the possibly happy ending. 154 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,999 Great Expectations has a very complex plot, 155 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:08,239 and it involves relationships between the main characters 156 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,919 which are hidden until the very end. 157 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,479 It's the story of young orphan, Pip, 158 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,199 who is brought up by kindly blacksmith called Joe Gargery, 159 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,959 who is married to Pip's sister, who is a bit of a harridan. 160 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,639 And it's the search for... his own identity, 161 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:31,759 and Pip's own aspirations to become a gentleman. 162 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,439 These are the sort of secret aspirations he has, 163 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,079 because he is, in fact, you know, 164 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,559 living under fairly common circumstances. 165 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:43,679 And he finds himself being... 166 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,599 a kind of playmate to a young lady 167 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,399 who is the ward of Miss Havisham. 168 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,439 Miss Havisham is this strange woman 169 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,479 who lives in a large old house full of cobwebs, 170 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:01,159 who's been sitting there in her bridal gown for years 171 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,839 since the day she was jilted at the altar. 172 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,079 She has invited Pip to come in 173 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,359 and, basically, just be company, be a sort of companion. 174 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,079 At first he's completely terrified, but in the process of returning, 175 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,359 he falls in love with the young ward, Estella. 176 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,559 Estella treats him really like sort of dirt. 177 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:28,679 She says, "You are a common boy." She always calls to him, "Boy!" 178 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:33,279 And it makes him more aware of his poor background. 179 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,599 And it's that that triggers his quest for great expectations, 180 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,839 for some sort of social elevation and possibly wealth. 181 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,999 And they move around each other a little bit. 182 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,079 He's still as in love with her as ever he was, 183 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,719 but her job now, her mission, 184 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,399 is to entrap the hearts of all the young men of London 185 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,639 And she does so very successfully. She goes with Pip 186 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,999 to a lot of parties where she breaks his heart, 187 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,039 - she breaks everyone's heart. - It's quite interesting, though, isn't it, 188 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:07,239 certainly in the film version, - Estella always warns Pip. - Yes. 189 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,039 She goes, "Don't love me, because I will break your heart."Yes. 190 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,279 "Don't. You know what's gonna happen." 191 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,839 Almost as she's sort of - warning him off. - Yeah. 192 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:21,319 That's almost the very first thing she says to him when she sees him. 193 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,119 He says, "I remember kissing you." And she says, 194 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,919 "Well, do not fall in love with me, 195 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,599 because this is what I'm supposed to do. I'm the assassin. 196 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,479 Do not fall victim to me." But he can't help himself. 197 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,479 He can't help himself. So she chooses a man to destroy and marry. 198 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,279 And, of course, that breaks Pip. 199 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,439 And this all happens around the same time. 200 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,159 The escape... the Magwitch escape and Estella's marriage 201 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,199 all happen at the same point. 202 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,759 Surprisingly, Lean had not been an avid reader of Dickens. 203 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,679 He was taken to see a stage adaptation of Great Expectations 204 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,999 in 1939 starring Alec Guinness. 205 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,519 It was as if he was struck by lightning. 206 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,759 What a film this would make! 207 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,799 He threw himself into the author's entire works, 208 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,399 but it had to be Great Expectations. 209 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,039 So in 1939, David Lean 210 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,879 goes to see a stage adaptation of Great Expectations. 211 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,719 And this particular version had been considerably sculpted 212 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,799 and cut down from the novel and he found it brilliant. 213 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,639 It had been written and cut down by a young actor called Alec Guinness. 214 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,199 And so there was the seed really for the 1946 film. 215 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,959 It would take a little while to come to fruition, 216 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,559 but Lean was persuaded that a Dickens adaptation for the screen 217 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:35,199 could be his next project. 218 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,439 What I find always surprising 219 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,799 is that he wasn't really a Dickens fan beforehand, 220 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,999 and I believe he went to a stage production 221 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,319 that sort of completely changed his - mind. - Yes. 222 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,279 When you say he wasn't really a Dickens fan, 223 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,119 he didn't like reading, he didn't want to encounter anything 224 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,119 that was on the written page. So he was invited to attend this play, 225 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,359 this version of Great Expectations, he went very reluctantly, 226 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,159 but he was absolutely swept up in this... 227 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,079 It was not quite a one-person play, 228 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,239 but it was put together by Alec Guinness, 229 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,279 who played Herbert Pocket in the play and also in the film. 230 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,159 And it had Martita Hunt in it, who would go on to play Miss Havisham. 231 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,559 Yes. And he was just... caught up by this. 232 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:18,439 He thought it was just amazing. And he waited around afterwards 233 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,759 and decided, "Right, I'm going to make this." 234 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,519 He hadn't really reached the stage yet where he could quite say, 235 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,079 "This is what I'm going to do next. Give me the money." 236 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,759 And so it took a while for him... - This is 1939, isn't it? - Yes. 237 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,839 Seven years before he made the film. He just knew that this 238 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,359 was what he wanted to do. This was a project he believed passionately in. 239 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,839 Of course, there have been numerous Dickens adaptations. 240 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,559 Lean thought George Cukor's David Copperfield decent enough. 241 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,359 But Ealing's Nicholas Nickleby suffered too common a problem 242 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,759 when it came to Dickens, trying to cram it all in. 243 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,639 Lean simply listed all the episodes he hungered to shoot 244 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,639 and found a way to connect them, 245 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,839 passing over great swathes of the novel. Less is more. 246 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,599 "You have to savour Dickens," he said, 247 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,159 filling his chosen scenes with the majestic possibilities of cinema. 248 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,399 So Dickens adaptations have existed 249 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,839 since the beginning of cinema, really. 250 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,639 And one of the pioneers of moviemaking itself, 251 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:21,879 DW Griffiths in Hollywood, had done a Dickens adaptation in the 1910s 252 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,359 and claimed that Dickens' style of storytelling, 253 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,079 which jumped between various threads and through time, 254 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,119 inspired the invention of cross-cutting. 255 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,399 His works gave filmmakers 256 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,039 a kind of blueprint for a film, because of the characters, 257 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,399 the nature of 'em, and because he was a natural storyteller. 258 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:46,039 You didn't have to invent a story to actually, you know, 259 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,879 get that onto the screen. 260 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,959 So it was very important for Lean when adapting this novel 261 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:55,439 to a screenplay with his co-screenwriter Ronald Neame, 262 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,119 that they focus on some of the key moments that would be visual. 263 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,559 And Lean knew from the start that, for instance, 264 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,519 Pip meeting with Magwitch or Miss Havisham's fate 265 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,519 were these very big dramatic scenes 266 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,999 that he could get a lot of visual excitement out of, 267 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,759 that he could place the camera in interesting places. 268 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:19,279 By the time Lean had got around to thinking about Great Expectations, 269 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,999 of course, there had been a war. 270 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:27,999 He'd seen the play in 1939, thought about it as a possible film, 271 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,879 and then by the time 1945 arrived, 272 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,839 he and his fellow filmmakers, Ronald Neame, 273 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,119 Anthony Havelock-Allan, who had formed this company, Cineguild, 274 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,320 wanted to do something different. 275 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,399 They wanted to take... to do a new film 276 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:53,919 that was not connected or in any way associated with the war years. 277 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,279 And they thought, "Perhaps we should go back to the Victorian era. 278 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,799 Perhaps we should do something a little bit historic, 279 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,239 but within kind of memory." 280 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:08,519 And... Lean obviously thought straightaway of Great Expectations. 281 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,119 Studio head J Arthur Rank needed little convincing. 282 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:15,319 When producer Ronald Neame pitched it to him, he replied, 283 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,239 "Go away and make it." 284 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,719 Rank rightly saw a chance to crack the American market. 285 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,399 Lean gained a creative freedom he had never experienced. 286 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,759 Here was the chance to define his career 287 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,879 away from his early partnership with Noel Coward. 288 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,839 Let's talk a little bit about David Lean first of all. 289 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,559 It's 1946. How big a director was he at that stage? 290 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,759 Well, at that point, David Lean is a big director, 291 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,879 but not as big as he's going to be. 292 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,119 He stands on the threshold of greatness. 293 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,359 He's... he's had... 294 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,119 Some of the films are legendary. 295 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:55,639 He's made Brief Encounter, Blithe Spirit, 296 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,639 he's made In Which We Serve. He's building up this great reputation. 297 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:05,039 He's beginning to become noticed in America and his skill is evident. 298 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,839 It's this film that shoots him into a stellar level of direction. 299 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,359 This is the film that makes him into, 300 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:17,119 or allows him to reveal his David Leanness, if you like. 301 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:20,959 This is the film that paves the way for Lawrence Of Arabia, 302 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,919 when he's given the chance to work with big locations, outdoor scenes, 303 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,559 and use landscape to tell people's stories as well as just interiors. 304 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,119 So this is a critical moment in his career, but he's already... 305 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,919 you know, people will still go to his films in droves. 306 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,279 So Lean also saw an opportunity with Great Expectations 307 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,319 to move away from the influence of playwright 308 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,799 and very powerful figure Noel Coward, 309 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,799 who had been famous before Lean was ever famous or known, 310 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,679 and who was heavily involved 311 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,919 in the entirety of Lean's career up to that point, 312 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,319 even with Brief Encounter which was based on one of Coward's plays. 313 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:59,559 So he wanted to move away from that collaboration and be given 314 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,759 a little bit more freedom to explore the themes and visual style 315 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,279 that he wanted to pursue. Lean had such a strong sense 316 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,879 of the visual and the aesthetic, and he believed 317 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,239 that no matter what the source material was, 318 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,919 or what kind of literary adaptation he was taking on, 319 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,839 that it shouldn't be stodgy or stage bound, 320 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,519 that in fact it should have its own vernacular. 321 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,359 And he kind of had his own experience as well in this, 322 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:28,599 because he'd been a film editor for so long in his youth, 323 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,479 he'd edited up to 25 films, 324 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,319 including some classics like the 49th Parallel by Michael Powell. 325 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,439 So he had a very firm sense of visual storytelling 326 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,159 and how to sculpt a narrative and shift between scenes effectively. 327 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,759 For my mind, Lean did something extraordinary 328 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,799 in that he solved the problem - of Dickens' maximal fiction. - Yes. 329 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,599 He figured out how to do it, - didn't he? - Yes. 330 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,679 Firstly, he commissioned a script from a Dickens expert 331 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,679 who tried to essentially condense 332 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,039 the whole of Great Expectations into a screenplay, 333 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,279 which Lean said he found embarrassing to read. 334 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,679 You couldn't do it, it was not possible. 335 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,759 So he, as he had previously done on a couple of films, 336 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,999 went off to an inn in Cornwall with his scriptwriter, Ronald Neame, 337 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,599 and they... bashed it around. 338 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,279 And what they did is they went through the story, 339 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,999 they read the book, read the script, thought about it, 340 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,279 and then he almost closed his eyes and thought, 341 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,879 "What is it that I remember 342 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,719 that I think makes great scenes from this book?" 343 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,279 And he wrote the key scenes down, just scribbled down, 344 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,879 "These are the scenes... 345 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,639 I can see how we would shoot these scenes." 346 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,039 What I love is that he almost confesses his trick at the beginning. 347 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,559 The very opening shot, the voiceover from John Mills, 348 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,599 "My name is Pip." And you see the lines on the page. 349 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,999 Then the wind picks up the book and breezes along all the pages. 350 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,959 And that's what Lean is telling us. "You're not going to get it all." 351 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,919 I hadn't thought of that. That's... Yeah, that's very good. 352 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,839 Yes. That's really good. I love that. 353 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,799 He's... Yeah, he's exposing his art straightaway. 354 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:07,439 Pip's central journey encompasses both a pivotal Kent Estuary childhood 355 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,400 and a London coming of age. 356 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,399 As the young yokel Pip, Anthony Wager has a wide-eyed innocence. 357 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,919 This slight figure silhouetted against the vast sky, 358 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,359 that Lean speciality. 359 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,919 John Mills' mature Pip still has growing to do, 360 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,279 from spendthrift dandy to the realisation that his story 361 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,200 has been shaped by the past in both good and bad ways. 362 00:21:34,248 --> 00:21:36,879 After you, miss. 363 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,400 Don't be silly. I'm not going in. 364 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,800 Come in. 365 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,439 Who is it? 366 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,839 - Pip, ma'am. - Pip? 367 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,479 Mr Pumblechook's boy. Come to play. 368 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,479 Come nearer. 369 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,440 Let me look at you. 370 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,519 The first vision of Estella had to be unforgettable. 371 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:24,559 This beautiful young girl brought up to be loved, but not to love. 372 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,879 The extraordinary 17-year-old Jean Simmons 373 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,319 seemed so much older than Wager's bewildered Pip, 374 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,719 who she scorns as, "Boy!" 375 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,359 As her older counterpart, Valerie Hobson recalled an unhappy shoot, 376 00:22:38,360 --> 00:22:40,759 but Lean wanted her unhappiness 377 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,039 and just a flicker of resentment at her fate. 378 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,119 There was just a hint, a crack in the veneer, 379 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,999 revealing the heart beneath. 380 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,879 So Jean Simmons came from J Arthur Rank's sort of school of starlets 381 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,599 and was very well trained and groomed to be a star, 382 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,719 but she also had a whole other career during the war 383 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,279 where she'd been a singer and she'd recited poetry. 384 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,399 So she had quite an interesting background for such a young woman. 385 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,239 And what she brings to the role of sort of ice queen Estella 386 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,679 is this sense of almost wisdom beyond her years, 387 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,559 or an awareness beyond her years, 388 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,079 because she has to live with Miss Havisham, 389 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,959 this adoptive mother figure who's so morbid and... and oppressive. 390 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,399 And so Simmons brings something kind of haunted to the role 391 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,639 in spite of her aloofness. 392 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,079 The entire film really is driven by Estella. 393 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,839 She's just an extraordinary character. 394 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,399 But more than that, in the way that Lean casts it, 395 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,279 both with Jean Simmons as the incredible younger version, 396 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,799 and then Valerie Hobson, he really brings... 397 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,519 and they really bring the whole concept of Estella to life. 398 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,519 I mean, I do slightly pity Valerie Hobson 399 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,159 in that she has to pick up from where Jean Simmons left off, 400 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,839 because Jean Simmons is astonishing as the young Estella 401 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,599 She is... This is an incredible actress 402 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,359 at the beginning of her career, 403 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,839 and this is the role that makes her career. 404 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,919 You know, she's played this... The Rank school of charm, 405 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,879 she's about to enter that world, but this is an absolute scorcher! 406 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,199 And she, in a way, interprets and delivers Estella 407 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,199 in a critical way slightly more convincingly. 408 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,599 I mean, poor old Valerie Hobson 409 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,199 is not given as much material for Estella as Jean Simmons is, 410 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,079 so she's set up perfectly by this young actress 411 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,999 who was 17 years old at the time and is able to pull together 412 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,959 all of these... this taunting arrogance, 413 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,919 then suddenly changing her mind and allowing Pip to kiss her. 414 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,399 This child who's on the verge of becoming 415 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,919 the cold, dead woman she's supposed to be. 416 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,759 The young versions of Pip and Estella, 417 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,839 Pip played by Anthony Wager and Estella played by Jean Simmons, 418 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,839 are absolutely perfect. 419 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,959 They seem to occupy their own... reality. 420 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,439 Wager has all the right qualities of being a sort of a young boy, 421 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:14,119 a young rural boy. You know, he's... got sort of common elements to him, 422 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,599 but he's got a big heart. 423 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,479 He's got a sort of suitability to be terrified. 424 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,839 And yet there's a spirit within him 425 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,679 that makes him do what he's supposed to do. 426 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:29,399 I love his performance. Of course, once you see Jean Simmons, 427 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:35,159 she comes on as the frankly young diva, Estella, 428 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,919 who is a real snob. Not only do you see that she is... beautiful, 429 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,199 she is insulting, 430 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:48,399 she is... really a sort of adjunct to Miss Havisham, 431 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,919 who is using her as a cat's paw. 432 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,079 For Dickens flamboyant characters, 433 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,479 Lean knew you must cast outsized characters to play them. 434 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,559 Bernard Miles as kindly, uneducated blacksmith Joe, for instance, 435 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,439 or a boyish Alec Guinness as the dotty but faithful Herbert Pocket. 436 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,359 Demobbed that very morning, 437 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,759 he was still in uniform when he did the screen test. 438 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,679 Voluminous in every way, 439 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,199 Francis L Sullivan is perfect as Mr Jaggers, 440 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,799 the lawyer who speaks only in baffling legalese. 441 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,079 And what's so crucial, once you understand that, 442 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,719 is that casting is vital when it comes to Dickens. 443 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,439 I think Lean really grasps this, that if you cast correctly, 444 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,039 almost half your work is done, because they embody 445 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,039 the greatness of these characters. 446 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,439 But in the case of the two leads, there's the added issue 447 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:43,079 of you have a young version and an older version. 448 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,319 So with Pip, we have Anthony Wager as the boy, 449 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,119 and we have John Mills, of course, as the young man. 450 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:54,079 Well, the... I mean... it's beautiful casting 451 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,359 and in one way... quite unusual casting. 452 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,759 I mean, Anthony Wager is a working-class boy, son of a plumber, 453 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,119 and therefore inhabits the idea of this kid from a smithy perfectly. 454 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,919 Then as an adult, John Mills 455 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,959 brings a quality to Pip which is interesting, 456 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,879 in that some people say he's too old for the role, 457 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,039 but I think what John Mills brings is... if you like, 458 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:23,519 the pain of being Pip, he brings a certain haunted look to Pip, 459 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,879 which I think is entirely appropriate 460 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,599 for the experiences of Pip's life. Pip has had his parents die, 461 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,079 he's had his sister die, he's had to live with his sister's husband, 462 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,359 who's a blacksmith, and he's had to work in a forge for years. 463 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:42,039 He's had his heart broken and he comes to London suddenly with money. 464 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,999 And this is a person who's been buffeted by fate, 465 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,919 back and forth, back and forth. 466 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,319 And there's something about John Mills which conveys that, 467 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,039 he looks sometimes half lost... at the experience of life. 468 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,799 And he is technically measurably a little older than the character, 469 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,159 but I don't think that matters because that's the lived experience 470 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,999 - of Pip in his face. - And there's always that sense, isn't there, 471 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,319 that he's another one of those characters 472 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,199 that embodies Dickens' own experiences, that he was a child 473 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,679 who was thrown out onto his own devices 474 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,879 and had to figure life out and was buffeted by fortune. 475 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,799 I think Pip is another version - of the author. - Yes. 476 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,239 And sort of arrives at money as Dickens did, 477 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,119 and then loses all the money as Dickens did. He really is 478 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,719 very much the Dickens, you know, he's very much the character 479 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,479 who represents a real version of Dickens in the book. 480 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:37,119 Full justice is done to two of Dickens' most formidable eccentrics. 481 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,519 Finley Currie's Magwitch, the escaped convict hiding in the graveyard, 482 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,639 manages to be both deeply sinister and yet sympathetic. 483 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,239 Lean recalled leaving Martita Hunt to her own devices 484 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,999 as cunning, heartbroken Miss Havisham, 485 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,919 a mystery to both director and the audience. 486 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,759 Both are Dickensian ghosts in a sense, 487 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,759 haunting the expectations of Pip and Estella. 488 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,159 The wonderful opening scene of Great Expectations, 489 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,759 arguably one of the best openings of any film, 490 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,919 sees a young Pip visiting his parents' grave on Christmas Eve. 491 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,479 It's a windy... wintry day. 492 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,919 It is a masterclass in editing, in tension, in shock. 493 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,239 And that unusual cut must have given audiences 494 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,319 such a huge start back in 1946 and is still startling now. 495 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,599 Martita Hunt, of course, when you think of Miss Havisham, 496 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,359 even amongst all the subsequent versions, 497 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,319 the first person that comes to mind is Miss Havisham 498 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,919 in her rotting bridal gown 499 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,119 and that wonderfully sort of slightly drawn out voice, 500 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,079 which is a... sort of like... 501 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,639 kind of slightly madder, more eccentric Edith Evans. 502 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,519 You know, "Come here, boy." 503 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,479 She sends shivers down your spine, quite rightly, 504 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,439 which is what she's supposed to do. 505 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,999 So she's one of the great eccentrics as well. 506 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,879 I think Lean said he knew very little about what she was going to do, 507 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,319 - - he just left her to it. - Yeah. - In a sense, he discovered Miss Havisham 508 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,399 - with everybody else. - Well, because she played Miss Havisham on stage 509 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,199 night after night after night, 510 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,879 she knew that character better than the director did. 511 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,599 Again, she was someone who thought David Lean didn't direct her enough, 512 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,159 but I think that one of the skills David Lean had was saying, 513 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,599 "Well, she's got it. That's great. 514 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,519 We don't need her to do anything other than what she's doing. 515 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,479 I have no notes, so keep going." 516 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,679 Lean had the film in his head from the moment he read the book. 517 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,399 Escaping the poised, contemporary lives of his previous films, 518 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,119 he saw something both highly stylised and savagely real. 519 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,599 Expansive estuary skylines filmed in Rochester 520 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,719 are mixed with German expressionist sets built at Denham Studios. 521 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,599 Wide angles give way to a deep focus 522 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,879 inspired by Casablanca and Citizen Kane. 523 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,279 So one of the most memorable scenes and visuals in Great Expectations 524 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,719 is that of the sort of frozen, deserted wedding banquet 525 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,159 where Miss Havisham has been left by her bridegroom, 526 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,239 the thing which will have the knock on effect on the rest of her life, 527 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,599 the reason that she is the way she is and the reason 528 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,959 that she is vengeful and vindictive towards all men as a result. 529 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,319 It's interesting that Dickens whilst writing the novel 530 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,759 was going through sort of separating from a 23-year marriage, 531 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,359 and Lean had had his own marital strife as well, 532 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,759 so there's something interesting in the depiction of this character 533 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,199 and, I guess, really, ultimately the comeuppance 534 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,239 that she gets in the film. 535 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,279 Now we should mention Alec Guinness, 536 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,159 because he was in the play that had stirred David Lean. 537 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,519 And he becomes a wonderful Herbert Pocket, 538 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,399 the kind of dotty best friend but very loyal friend. 539 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,799 I mean, he'd just been demobbed, hadn't he, on the day he was cast? 540 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,679 Yeah, he'd just been demobbed. And he also really had no intention 541 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,839 of becoming a cinema actor. He'd worked in one film 542 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,559 and found it a very unpleasant experience. 543 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,279 It had been a small part, but he really didn't like it. 544 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,959 He really just wanted to work in theatre. 545 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,079 So he took the role and at the beginning 546 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,239 he really struggled with what cinema... 547 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,239 with what film acting involved. Again, that was another trick 548 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,959 that David Lean played that produced a performance. 549 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,239 So there had to be a close up on Alec Guinness when he was laughing. 550 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,759 And that's a critical part of Herbert Pocket, 551 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,479 is that he's so cheerful and happy. - He's comic relief. - Yeah, he is. 552 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,879 He's enjoys, he laughs, "This is absolutely wonderful to me. 553 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,479 Oh, Pip, this is a wonderful thing. What an adventure we're going on." 554 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,239 He's really genuinely pleased at life. 555 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,239 And Alec Guinness found it very hard 556 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,719 to laugh when the camera was pointing at him, 557 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,279 as you can imagine. You know, "Go on, laugh now." 558 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,279 So what David Lean did was he said, "Switch the camera off. 559 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,999 " And he sat and chatted to Alec Guinness. 560 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,399 And Alec Guinness laughed in close up. 561 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,079 And then Lean said, "Right, got it." And walked off. 562 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,439 And Alec Guinness realised he'd been tricked, 563 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,919 and this was a scene where Herbert Pocket laughs. 564 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,919 And it worked incredibly well. 565 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,879 So he pulled the performance out of Guinness. 566 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,399 He taught him how to become a film actor whilst making the film. 567 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,239 And as we can see from the career that Alec Guinness then developed, 568 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,239 it was a phenomenal education. 569 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,639 He always had a special relationship - with Lean, didn't he? - Yes. 570 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,439 The film is intensely cinematic, a masterpiece of craft. 571 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,759 John Bryan's low-ceiling sets utilised forced perspective 572 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,559 to the point where they could only be shot from one angle, 573 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,799 but what an angle and what detail, 574 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,199 from the framed noose on Jaggers' office wall 575 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,199 to the twitch of candlelight 576 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,239 as Estella leads Pip to meet Miss Havisham. 577 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,359 They used smoke canisters from World War II 578 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,359 to create the fog on the marshes. 579 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,399 This is a vision as opulent 580 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,919 as Cruikshank's illustrations in the books. 581 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,119 So Lean shot on location in Rochester in Kent, 582 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,199 which was actually some of Dickens' real stomping grounds 583 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,919 back in the 19th century. And he... was really clever 584 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,919 in his combination of using pretty extravagant sets for some elements, 585 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,719 some of the historical things, 586 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,159 and then also bringing in real locations like the Kentish Marshes, 587 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,679 which are so eerie and bring so much atmosphere 588 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,079 to the beginning of the film for instance. 589 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,519 Design, camerawork and editing amplify theme and character. 590 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,759 Who can forget the jump cut from Pip colliding with Magwitch 591 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,439 to the close-up of the terrified boy, 592 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,799 the scream beginning four frames before his face appears. 593 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,599 Or the setting of Miss Havisham's desiccated tomb of a wedding day, 594 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,119 frozen in time to the very minute of the betrayal, 595 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,080 in which she sits, enacting her vengeance on all men. 596 00:35:11,126 --> 00:35:14,319 When you first caused me to be brought here, Miss Havisham, 597 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,879 I suppose I really did come here as any other chance boy might have come, 598 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,319 as a kind of servant to gratify a want or a whim and to be paid for it. 599 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,879 Aye, Pip, you did. And that Mr Jaggers was... 600 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,239 Mr Jaggers had nothing to do with it. 601 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:31,079 His being my lawyer and the lawyer of your patron was a coincidence. 602 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,199 He holds the same relation towards numbers of people. 603 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,239 But when I fell into the mistake that I have so long remained in 604 00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,199 at least you led me on. Yes... 605 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,159 I let you go on. 606 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,480 - Was that kind? - Who am I, for heaven's sake, that I should be kind! 607 00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,639 It's a tale of so many themes, class, ambition, money, 608 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,639 friendship and love with all its attendant cruelties. 609 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,799 It is an indictment of parenthood and how we are shaped by our upbringing. 610 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,759 Both Pip and Estella affectively have their lives authored 611 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,919 by the manipulations of the vampiric Miss Havisham 612 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,919 and ghastly, misunderstood Magwitch. 613 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,479 Can they ever escape the chains of their own stories? 614 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,159 And, of course, when Pip is grown up 615 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,799 and Magwitch returns out of the nowhere really, 616 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,119 he's a very different character to - the one we saw before. - Yes. I mean, 617 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,159 one thing critically is that he's diminished, 618 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,519 both figuratively and literally, by David Lean by the way he's shot. 619 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,039 So where before he was shot with a wide lens, quite low down, 620 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,159 he's now shot with a very sort of... 621 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,279 He's made to appear smaller by the use of lenses, by the use of angles, 622 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,999 and Pip is made to appear to match his height. 623 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,879 So suddenly this terrifying figure becomes this much smaller man, 624 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,439 and so he's much less terrifying, he becomes much more pathetic. 625 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,679 But by that, I don't mean pathetic in a scornful way, 626 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,039 I mean, he has pathos and he's a sadder character. 627 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,399 He's... desperate to see the boy whose life he's changed 628 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,079 and to see if he's done - something good. - He's a father 629 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,479 seeking his son, isn't he? - Absolutely. - Yeah. 630 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,559 But by doing so, by... taking that one glimpse, 631 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,079 he destroys both of them. I mean, he destroys himself, 632 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:02,239 and he also then removes the money that Pip has 633 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,599 and completely destroys his expectations. 634 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,279 So this, "I must see what good I've done," 635 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,239 then ends up wrecking everything. 636 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,519 Who do you want? 637 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,159 Mr Pip. 638 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,919 So the famous Dickens' illustrator Cruikshank 639 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:39,599 was known for using these quite moody, really, images in India ink 640 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,999 of the various characters and stories he illustrated for Dickens. 641 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,399 In fact, he didn't illustrate Great Expectations originally, 642 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,279 but he was kind of the illustrator associated to that writer. 643 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:56,479 And so Lean and his sort of crew were interested in aping that look. 644 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,119 And that kind of lends itself to the noir thing as well, 645 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,079 because these are quite shadowy images, 646 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,239 and you get that a lot from the characters of Magwitch, 647 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:09,879 Miss Havisham, these seedy or shady at least sinister figures 648 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,199 that are in Pip's life. 649 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,719 So David Lean was very influenced by 650 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,599 a very moody period of silent German films from the 1920s, 651 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,559 called German Expressionism, films like The Cabinet Of Dr Caligari. 652 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,479 And these films were known for very low-angle lighting, 653 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,479 which cast dramatic, theatrical, 654 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,239 sometimes jagged shadows across the sets. 655 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,639 Elements of the Gothic, a sort of darkness psychologically. 656 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,239 And all of that was a huge influence in the post-war cinematic landscape, 657 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,679 particularly with the rise of film noir. 658 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,719 And so Lean is also responding to these things 659 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:53,439 and to his period of time. And right at the height of film noir, 660 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,119 he too is looking at the German expressionists. 661 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,039 And how remarkable that rather than it being in some little crime film, 662 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,439 as with most of those sort of things that were aping that style, 663 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,519 this was a Victorian period drama of Dickens'. And he takes that style 664 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,439 and transposes it onto this unlikely material. 665 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,159 Released in 1946 amid post-war austerity, 666 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,239 audiences lapped up the chance 667 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,799 to escape into such all-encompassing storytelling. 668 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,839 It earned millions in America, 669 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,159 where it won Oscars for its sets and art direction. 670 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,079 David Lean was nominated for Best Director, 671 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,839 but the performances were cruelly snubbed. 672 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,519 It is now held up as an emblem of all that film can achieve. 673 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,839 Great Expectations was an enormous success when it came out. 674 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,239 It was a success with audiences and the critics, 675 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:47,359 many of whom claimed it to be one of the best British films ever made. 676 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,359 It did very, very well. 677 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,679 It actually, you know... 678 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,199 It brought honour and glory to everyone concerned, 679 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,919 Lean especially, of course, who was then, you know, 680 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,479 suddenly regarded not just as a great British filmmaker, 681 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,679 but as a man of international standing as a director. 682 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,479 Lean's reputation was built on his epics, 683 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,279 but this is the purest expression of his talent. 684 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,999 It still has that epic feel, 685 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,839 but combined with Dickens' intensity and vigour 686 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,519 the director is marvellously contained by the author. 687 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,319 If a fan told him that they thought 688 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,079 Lawrence Of Arabia was his finest film, 689 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,199 he would simply say, "Thank you." 690 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,879 If they said Great Expectations, he would say, "Quite right." 691 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,119 So Dickens wrote two different versions 692 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,919 of the end of Great Expectations 693 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,759 and, apparently, was himself unsure about it. 694 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,759 He originally wrote a version where many years later, 695 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,279 Pip and Estella have a chance encounter, 696 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,719 but it was a little bit too ambiguous for the publishers 697 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,759 and they insisted he write something a little bit more resolute. 698 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,399 And so he has them actually meet again 699 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,799 at the old house of Miss Havisham. 700 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,039 And there's still a coldness between them. 701 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,439 These two are probably not headed in the same direction in life. 702 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,359 It's definitely still quite a downbeat ending, I would say, 703 00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,439 but there is some finality to it. 704 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,719 David Lean's ending is... different again. 705 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:22,039 It sees Pip and Estella reunite and meet up at Miss Havisham's house. 706 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:26,799 But it's a far more sort of, you know... 707 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,679 it seems to be leaning into a certain kind of friendship 708 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,239 that rises up between them, a certain kind of 709 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,519 putting the past behind them finally. 710 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,519 One of the most extraordinary things about Great Expectations 711 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,959 is it has almost set how we imagine the world of Dickens to be. 712 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,359 If we read the books, we think of an imagery that Lean gave us. 713 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,519 Yes, he frames Victorian London, he frames the sort of... 714 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,599 the gothic element of Dickens in a way that defines him really. 715 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,759 You know, in a sense, Dickensian now partly means Leansian, I suppose. 716 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,519 They become linked in the way they depict each other. 717 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,239 David Lean is really the first director 718 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:07,319 to actually make Dickens live on the screen. 719 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,399 Live to the point not just when you're watching it, 720 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,679 but that actually live in the memory years and years and years 721 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,519 after you've seen these films, because he understood 722 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,399 the impact that you could have 723 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,839 if you created the right kind of vision of it. 724 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,039 It's stylised, but not to the point of inhumanity. 725 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,839 He's kept the flesh and blood of the characters. 726 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,519 He's been faithful to Dickens in terms of the narrative 727 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,799 and also the moral complexity of it. 728 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,679 And yet he's sort of managed to edit 'em down 729 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,199 into sort of two-hour movies, you know, these huge books. 730 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,399 And so that's what I think gives them their impact. 731 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,519 It's impossible to think of Dickens 732 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,719 and specifically of Great Expectations as a story 733 00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:02,159 without thinking of... Miss Havisham's wedding banquet, 734 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,119 or without thinking of the character of Magwitch 735 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,879 looking like Finlay Currie. To me the two are completely inextricable. 736 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:14,719 And I often wonder why any filmmaker would try to remake this adaptation 737 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,239 or try to do it, because Lean did it the best, I think. 738 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:21,959 Is this the best ever Dickens' - adaptation? - I would... 739 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,439 I can't think of a better. I genuinely can't think of a better, 740 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,839 because of the harmony between the writer and the director. 741 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,839 You know, we will never know what Dickens thinks of this film, 742 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:38,519 but it feels to me like it's... got the spirit there 743 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,119 in a way which is very, very hard to capture, 744 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,119 because Dickens is a joyous comedic writer. 745 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,679 He's funny and alive and vibrant. 746 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,119 And people get defeated by Dickens and they churn out stuff. 747 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,079 It's Lean who understands him and who brings him to the screen. 748 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,959 It's a moving work of art... that makes him live. 749 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,559 Almost, like, living together. They really are. They are... 750 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,599 This is... Lean and Dickens as Lennon and McCartney. 751 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,359 This is absolute harmony. 752 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,839 For all the wonderful television and film adaptations of Dickens' novels 753 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,519 that have followed, including Lean's version of Oliver Twist, 754 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,599 none can match the startling effect of Great Expectations. 755 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,079 The dreamlike power of the film 756 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,119 has shaped the way we imagine the author's world. 757 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,039 In every sense, this is the definitive adaptation of Dickens. 758 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:03,720 Subtitles by Sky Access Services www.skyaccessibility.sky 68087

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