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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,520 The basement was designed as a torture chamber. 2 00:00:09,740 --> 00:00:13,640 Written on the wall is, in the basement, nobody can hear the screen. 3 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:18,100 We got hate mail. 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,980 Someone threw a brick through our front window. 5 00:00:22,540 --> 00:00:26,420 Your friend is dead, and people blame you for it. 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,180 They did torture him. 7 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:32,720 They did humiliate him. 8 00:00:34,990 --> 00:00:40,550 I just wanted to hold him in my arms, you know, because I knew it was the last 9 00:00:40,550 --> 00:00:41,770 time I was going to see him. 10 00:01:16,110 --> 00:01:18,830 These are all handprints of kids, you know, in Pleasant Hill. 11 00:01:20,850 --> 00:01:23,610 They've just sold the plaque so we could have all of our kids out here, 12 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:24,770 hopefully forever. 13 00:01:25,950 --> 00:01:29,210 Just that we could come by the park and, like, remember. 14 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:34,390 Matt was 11 when we brought him here and got his handprint. 15 00:01:36,410 --> 00:01:41,590 It's amazing that his handprint at 11 is the same size as mine right now. 16 00:01:43,650 --> 00:01:45,150 This handprint's still here. 17 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:46,880 He's not. 18 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,360 It lasted longer than he did. 19 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:05,640 My name's Greg Keeney. I'm a commander with the Chico Police Department. 20 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:11,160 When I arrived at the crime scene, I looked at it for a time. 21 00:02:11,380 --> 00:02:12,440 It didn't really mean anything. 22 00:02:14,410 --> 00:02:18,010 Like there wasn't like a gun or a bullet hole. I can look at all of this and 23 00:02:18,010 --> 00:02:21,050 there's no one thing that says, oh, crime, definite crime. 24 00:02:21,690 --> 00:02:23,430 That's the crazy part about this whole thing. 25 00:02:25,390 --> 00:02:30,730 And as I was coming down those stairs, it was just bitter cold coming up. I 26 00:02:30,730 --> 00:02:32,210 mean, it just kind of hits you right in the face. 27 00:02:32,790 --> 00:02:37,890 And then down in here, there was a bar set up and there were fans. 28 00:02:38,750 --> 00:02:40,170 I mean, there's fans all around. 29 00:02:41,890 --> 00:02:43,130 Yeah, it was just... 30 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,860 Just filthy and dirty and smelled. 31 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,900 There was water all over the floor. 32 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,800 There had been a sewer pipe that had broke, and so there was raw sewage on 33 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:53,800 floor. 34 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:55,580 It smelled horrible. 35 00:03:00,860 --> 00:03:02,980 There was just graffiti written all over it. 36 00:03:05,340 --> 00:03:07,020 All sorts of things. 37 00:03:08,420 --> 00:03:12,280 The overriding one was, in the basement, no one can hear you scream. 38 00:03:23,790 --> 00:03:25,010 My name is Debbie Smith. 39 00:03:26,450 --> 00:03:29,290 I knew from the time I was 11 that I wanted to have children. 40 00:03:29,890 --> 00:03:32,070 I always loved children. I loved babysitting. 41 00:03:33,090 --> 00:03:36,610 But I knew that one day I wanted to have children because I really wanted to be 42 00:03:36,610 --> 00:03:37,610 a mom. 43 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:48,790 It took me a long time to have Matt, and I ended up having to be artificially 44 00:03:48,790 --> 00:03:49,790 inseminated. 45 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:55,780 Just having him, it was just that much more precious because it had taken so 46 00:03:55,780 --> 00:03:58,760 long and worked so hard, which is how he got his name. 47 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,760 Matthew means a gift from God, and I cherished that. 48 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:16,800 Matt loved Travis from the minute he saw him. 49 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,240 He was so proud. 50 00:04:19,140 --> 00:04:23,380 Matt was his protector, he was his teacher, he was his big brother. 51 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,680 Matt was basically quiet, kind of shy. 52 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:34,120 You couldn't help but like him because he treated everybody equally. 53 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,040 He never judged anybody. 54 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:41,820 If he knew that maybe you had too much to drink, he would take your keys. He 55 00:04:41,820 --> 00:04:43,160 would make sure that you got home safely. 56 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,360 I am Christy Pollitt. 57 00:04:48,060 --> 00:04:52,120 Me and Matt knew each other since we were really little. Our parents were 58 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:57,380 friends, so we were always at each other's house, just playing into the 59 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,100 Oftentimes we'd spend the night at each other's house, too. So we were really 60 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:03,100 close when we were kids. 61 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,580 I loved going to school in Chico. 62 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:22,760 Matt was a year or two behind me, so I kind of brought Matt into the life that 63 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:23,760 had while I was there. 64 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:28,920 We moved him into this really awesome old house. 65 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,560 And he was super excited because he hadn't really ever been out on his own. 66 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,440 I was dating Mike Quintana. 67 00:05:39,980 --> 00:05:43,980 And I introduced him to Matt because I thought maybe Matt would like some 68 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:47,940 friends that were male and not just my female roommates. 69 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,880 Matt and I, we hit it off pretty quickly. 70 00:05:53,500 --> 00:05:57,940 I think our personalities were different. I think I was a little bit 71 00:05:57,940 --> 00:05:59,580 outgoing, a lot more outgoing. 72 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:03,300 Matt was a little bit more reserved. 73 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:04,720 He was very thoughtful. 74 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:08,580 Never had a harsh or mean word about anybody. 75 00:06:09,450 --> 00:06:11,610 That's why we became such great friends. 76 00:06:12,730 --> 00:06:17,310 Anytime I would ask, hey, you want to go do this or you want to go here, he was 77 00:06:17,310 --> 00:06:18,310 always up for it. 78 00:06:20,250 --> 00:06:21,250 Chica Police. 79 00:06:21,450 --> 00:06:24,250 Hello, we have an emergency. 80 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:34,510 February 2nd, 2005, I was actually driving to work and I got a call from 81 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:38,050 detective sergeant who asked me to come to fraternity. 82 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:39,570 on 4th Street. 83 00:06:41,030 --> 00:06:44,430 They discovered a student unconscious in the basement of the house. 84 00:06:45,870 --> 00:06:52,650 I thought, okay, did this kid overdose on drugs or alcohol or something 85 00:06:52,650 --> 00:06:53,650 like that? 86 00:06:57,270 --> 00:07:02,130 I had actually gotten a call really early in the morning from Mike, probably 87 00:07:02,130 --> 00:07:03,510 like 4 or 5 in the morning. 88 00:07:03,790 --> 00:07:07,490 He just told me that something had happened with Matt and he didn't really 89 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:15,080 what was going on it was at 6 10 in the morning because i'll never forget the 90 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:21,640 time i got this text from my husband and it said to call him you know it was 91 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,880 urgent he had gotten a call from bill vall which was christie's dad his best 92 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:31,620 friend he said that there was something wrong with matt he was in a hospital 93 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:34,240 so i called the hospital in chico 94 00:07:37,109 --> 00:07:42,410 And so when the doctor came on, he said, when he found your son, 95 00:07:43,230 --> 00:07:44,650 he was at full arrest. 96 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:52,330 And he said, I just need you to get to the hospital as soon as possible, but 97 00:07:52,330 --> 00:07:53,330 don't drive yourself. 98 00:07:54,250 --> 00:07:57,030 And I was like, is he going to make it? 99 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:11,660 I walked down into the basement of the residence. 100 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:15,140 It was like a refrigerator down there. 101 00:08:17,180 --> 00:08:20,280 The basement had several vents that were open to the outside. 102 00:08:21,260 --> 00:08:24,800 The fans were kind of set up in those areas to pull the cold air in from the 103 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,800 outside. 104 00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:32,179 Certainly somebody had made some attempts to make it very cold down 105 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,960 There was a small amount of blood pooled in front of the bench. 106 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:45,340 Based on other incidents that we've had at fraternity houses with overdose -type 107 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:49,600 situations, we thought, oh, hey, this is what happened here. 108 00:08:51,180 --> 00:08:55,200 But we processed it as a crime scene, as if somebody had been murdered down 109 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,460 there, because otherwise you don't get a second chance. 110 00:09:11,690 --> 00:09:16,890 We just go racing out to Chico, and I'm making phone calls. 111 00:09:18,070 --> 00:09:19,530 Mike's not answering his phone. 112 00:09:21,810 --> 00:09:27,890 I called the fraternity house, and there's nobody at the house answering 113 00:09:27,890 --> 00:09:28,890 phone. 114 00:09:30,350 --> 00:09:31,470 Nobody's answering any phones. 115 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:39,850 And then I get this phone call from the hospital's social worker. 116 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,700 When I'm thinking, you know what, a social worker is calling me, that means 117 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:46,700 bad. 118 00:09:48,580 --> 00:09:54,700 And she said, she said, Debbie, we don't like to do this over the phone. 119 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,480 Chico Police. 120 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:08,420 Hello, we have an emergency. We have a guy that went into seizures earlier and 121 00:10:08,420 --> 00:10:09,460 we're afraid he's not... 122 00:10:17,419 --> 00:10:18,880 I was woken up. 123 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,920 They told me that something had gone wrong in the basement. 124 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:26,200 I was the junior active general. 125 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,480 I was the one that was in charge at the time. 126 00:10:32,940 --> 00:10:37,420 And so I went down towards the entrance to the basement. I could see all the way 127 00:10:37,420 --> 00:10:38,420 down the flight of stairs. 128 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,680 that there were paramedics performing some kind of triage to Matt. 129 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,020 And that was when I was told that he had gone into a seizure and foam was coming 130 00:10:50,020 --> 00:10:52,260 out of his mouth or something like that. 131 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,640 The paramedic kept saying, what happened, what happened? Were you guys 132 00:10:58,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Was he drinking? 133 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,780 Is there drugs involved? What drugs? 134 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,240 I said, he drank water. He only drank water. 135 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,180 They didn't believe us. 136 00:11:11,140 --> 00:11:13,900 And then they rushed him off to the ambulance. 137 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,200 By this time, everybody in there is scared. 138 00:11:19,500 --> 00:11:22,820 We were all conversing amongst ourselves to figure out what happened. 139 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,840 I think someone thought that he had had a seizure, that he had maybe epilepsy or 140 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:30,840 something. 141 00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:32,980 I was really out of it. 142 00:11:33,820 --> 00:11:36,800 I hadn't slept in four days, and I just watched. 143 00:11:37,580 --> 00:11:38,640 My best friend collapsed. 144 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,220 I didn't have a good feeling. 145 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,280 We brought him down to a common area to find out exactly what happened. 146 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,720 We knew that Matt was a pledge to their fraternity. 147 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,240 So the story that we were getting from the group was that the pledges were 148 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:12,500 calisthenics and that Matt had had some sort of seizure that 149 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:16,240 led him to the situation he was in now. 150 00:12:24,180 --> 00:12:27,780 So as we're driving, Stephanie, the social worker, keeps calling. 151 00:12:28,990 --> 00:12:31,850 She said, you just need to get here as soon as possible. 152 00:12:32,890 --> 00:12:36,630 Finally, I said, Stephanie, I can't take it anymore, and I think there's 153 00:12:36,630 --> 00:12:38,750 something that you're not telling me I need to know. 154 00:12:41,170 --> 00:12:44,670 And I hear her saying, I'm sorry Matt didn't make it. 155 00:12:47,090 --> 00:12:52,110 The phone slips from me, and all I can see is I turn everything I went in slow 156 00:12:52,110 --> 00:12:53,110 motion. 157 00:13:17,439 --> 00:13:18,320 I just 158 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:27,260 know 159 00:13:27,260 --> 00:13:31,690 that like we pulled into some little truck stop or something and And we got 160 00:13:31,770 --> 00:13:34,030 and we just jumped into each other's arms. 161 00:13:38,070 --> 00:13:44,570 In that instant, I was like, our lives are changed forever because our family 162 00:13:44,570 --> 00:13:45,570 four is now three. 163 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,300 We were asking for the fraternity brothers' assistance in the 164 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:15,600 to let them know the severity of the investigation, we let them know that 165 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,600 had died. 166 00:14:21,820 --> 00:14:28,080 When we were told by the police that Matt had died, it just kind of hit the 167 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,080 room. 168 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:36,260 It's almost as if everything happened on a two -minute delay, you know? 169 00:14:37,950 --> 00:14:42,550 Everyone's faces were the exact same upon finding out that he passed away 170 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:44,610 about two minutes later when it really sunk in. 171 00:14:47,370 --> 00:14:52,310 One of the fraternity members, Dave Mastretti, started screaming and yelling 172 00:14:52,310 --> 00:14:53,610 pounding his fists against the walls. 173 00:14:56,530 --> 00:14:57,670 He wanted to leave. 174 00:14:58,050 --> 00:15:00,070 He was stopped by officers. 175 00:15:03,730 --> 00:15:06,770 I don't think anybody had to tell me Matt had passed away. 176 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,460 I think I knew when he got carried out of that house. 177 00:15:22,740 --> 00:15:26,120 Then we finally got to the hospital. 178 00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:29,120 I said, I want to see Matt. 179 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,480 When we got into the room where he was, we walk in. 180 00:15:37,150 --> 00:15:41,050 And it's kind of dark, and there's all these beds, and it's quiet in there. 181 00:15:45,570 --> 00:15:49,850 And at the very end, there's a light, and there's a person down there, and you 182 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:51,230 could tell that there's a body down there. 183 00:15:54,790 --> 00:15:57,690 And I said, is that Matt? 184 00:15:58,490 --> 00:15:59,870 And she said, yes. 185 00:16:00,650 --> 00:16:03,330 And my knees buckled. 186 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:14,460 I just wanted to hold him in my arms, you know, because I knew it was the last 187 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:15,680 time I was going to see him. 188 00:16:18,180 --> 00:16:21,960 And she was like, you can't touch him. I was like, I touched his arm. 189 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,200 Because I had to. I just had to. 190 00:16:34,060 --> 00:16:39,580 But I just wanted to scoop him up and just... Hold him like you hold your 191 00:16:39,580 --> 00:16:40,580 babies. 192 00:16:48,620 --> 00:16:55,560 You had a healthy young man that was doing an hour's 193 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,160 worth of calisthenics and had a seizure and died. 194 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:03,800 And what the fraternity members were telling us about how Matt died didn't 195 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:04,800 up. 196 00:17:05,579 --> 00:17:07,980 The level of suspicion of all of us there was pretty high. 197 00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:24,319 So we divided up all of the fraternity members and conducted interviews back at 198 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:25,420 the police department with them. 199 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:34,760 I don't have our full rights yet. 200 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,560 The stuff we did last night was pretty much what we do every year, especially 201 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,780 before I went through it. 202 00:17:41,980 --> 00:17:44,520 It's like a peasy night. It's a lot of work. 203 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,480 It's water. 204 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,340 It's humiliation. It's mental. 205 00:17:48,820 --> 00:17:52,560 It didn't work out at all, you know. We did less than 50 push -ups, and that was 206 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:57,160 it. Everything was okay with Matt and Mike when they went to bed. It was 207 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,160 fun. 208 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,140 They were definitely trying to hide something. 209 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,220 There was something going on there that they didn't want us to know. 210 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:16,080 I remember looking at my hands and them still being covered in Matt's blood. 211 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:23,440 And that's when I broke down. 212 00:18:25,580 --> 00:18:27,300 His blood is still here. 213 00:18:28,830 --> 00:18:31,470 That's when I lost it. 214 00:18:39,870 --> 00:18:46,870 The police asked to go individually with them to the police station 215 00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:47,950 to answer a few questions. 216 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,640 I remember being in the police station in the interrogation room. 217 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:11,740 That was the moment that it just got extremely real. 218 00:19:59,250 --> 00:20:02,330 Throughout Hell Week, you just undergo a bunch of rituals. 219 00:20:03,980 --> 00:20:06,140 The last night is the worst night ever. 220 00:20:06,780 --> 00:20:08,380 It's called movie night. 221 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,800 The pledges are instructed to stand on top of a bench. 222 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:20,980 There are fans put in place around you, and you're handed a five -gallon jug and 223 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:24,760 told to drink and pass and drink and pass and drink and pass. 224 00:20:25,620 --> 00:20:31,280 The active members were watching a movie or playing poker while they're going 225 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,280 through this. 226 00:20:35,050 --> 00:20:37,830 During that time, you're asked questions. 227 00:20:40,110 --> 00:20:44,210 And when you get answers incorrect, the fans would turn on. 228 00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:47,410 You'd be soaking wet, and so you'd be cold. 229 00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:57,870 The detectives were pulling 230 00:20:57,870 --> 00:21:02,740 little bits of information out of all of them and kind of... fit the puzzle 231 00:21:02,740 --> 00:21:05,320 together, as it were, kind of put the night together. 232 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,980 When we interviewed the EMT crew that came out there, one of the interesting 233 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:19,020 things that they actually said was they thought that Matt, he looked like a 234 00:21:19,020 --> 00:21:20,020 drowning victim. 235 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:25,440 So we all thought that there was something more going on than just some 236 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,080 calisthenics and a seizure. 237 00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:45,110 Gabe really downplayed his involvement. 238 00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:48,370 He said that basically there had to have been something else wrong with him 239 00:21:48,370 --> 00:21:50,350 because it was no big deal and it was easy. 240 00:21:50,990 --> 00:21:52,750 And so that was a huge red flag. 241 00:21:56,790 --> 00:21:58,810 In the beginning, in those first hours, 242 00:21:59,660 --> 00:22:04,060 We didn't know anything other than he died in a basement. 243 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,500 He just looked bruised, and he just looked like he'd been through hell, you 244 00:22:10,500 --> 00:22:13,040 know? How is this an accident? 245 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,700 You know, I was just trying to do whatever I could for Greg and Debbie. 246 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,740 So we put together the candlelight vigil that we held at the fraternity house. 247 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:40,360 There must have been hundreds of people, if not a thousand people, that all came 248 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,540 to pay their respects to Matt. 249 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,500 People gave talks about who he was as a person. 250 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,100 It was about coming to heal at that point. 251 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,540 All the guys were really nice. 252 00:22:57,930 --> 00:23:01,210 We didn't talk about anything that happened in that basement. It wasn't 253 00:23:01,210 --> 00:23:02,790 that that night. It was just about Matt. 254 00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:04,990 That's all we wanted to hear. 255 00:23:06,170 --> 00:23:12,750 I naturally assumed, since they were considered fraternity brothers, that 256 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:14,910 were his friends, that they would take care of him. 257 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:18,750 So, of course, nothing nefarious happened in that basement, right? 258 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,620 The autopsy occurred, I believe, two days after his death. 259 00:23:29,260 --> 00:23:30,480 It was rough. 260 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,380 So what we learned, the pathologist, Dr. 261 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:41,680 Resk, did a very thorough analysis and found that the cause of his death was 262 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,740 water intoxication coupled with hypothermia. 263 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,900 I think initially everybody expected it to be some sort of drug or alcohol 264 00:23:58,900 --> 00:24:04,880 -related issue with it, and when it wasn't and the actual facts of the case 265 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,140 out, I think everybody's pretty shocked. 266 00:24:09,420 --> 00:24:15,160 They said, we think that he was killed during a hazing. I was like, killed? It 267 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,160 wasn't an accident? 268 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,420 So in this investigation, there was a lot of information flowing in. 269 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,780 We learned that this water hazing had been going on for many, many years, 270 00:24:34,860 --> 00:24:41,320 rituals and initiation processes, even one that involved a coffin that they had 271 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,560 made that they would put their pledges in and then lower them into a pool of 272 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,760 water, almost to simulate like drowning. 273 00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:53,460 It was only a matter of time before somebody was going to die. 274 00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:06,520 After everything happened, the fraternity fell apart. 275 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,200 People were at each other's throats. 276 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,960 Everybody knew, like, Kytow killed a pledge. 277 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:21,540 They also ruined the Greek system because all the Greek system was 278 00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:25,020 a year after what happened with Matthew. 279 00:25:27,340 --> 00:25:29,580 It started to sink in. 280 00:25:30,170 --> 00:25:34,090 how the rest of the world looked at us and these events. 281 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:39,670 Letters being sent that people were hoping that we would get anthrax and 282 00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:47,210 Someone threw a brick through our front window telling us that they hoped that 283 00:25:47,210 --> 00:25:48,490 this place would be burned down. 284 00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:54,770 It became an us -against -the -world type of thing. You can almost start to 285 00:25:54,770 --> 00:25:57,830 delude yourself that even things that you know were wrong all of a sudden 286 00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:58,830 weren't wrong. 287 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:05,380 I think the gravity of what had occurred sunk in, and so we were getting less 288 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:09,620 and less cooperation from the fraternity members as the investigation continued. 289 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,380 And then everyone started pointing fingers. 290 00:26:15,180 --> 00:26:22,180 Mike was a witness for the police at this point, and he became like one 291 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:23,180 of the enemies. 292 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,080 And so with that, we brought the district attorney in. 293 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:34,780 It would have been very difficult to know exactly what happened without Mike 294 00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:35,780 there. 295 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:41,540 He provided the base upon which much of the investigation was done. 296 00:27:11,130 --> 00:27:16,350 He shattered that wall of silence because he felt that he didn't want to 297 00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:21,390 part of a organization that killed his friend. 298 00:27:24,780 --> 00:27:31,520 Having your friend pass away from something that you survived, I can't 299 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,900 to feel, you know, I would have rather it been the other way around. 300 00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:43,460 Especially because it was me who wanted to go party and be a rat boy and run 301 00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:44,460 around. 302 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,620 He wasn't as gung -ho about it as I was. 303 00:27:51,630 --> 00:27:54,190 The beginning was all about bonding. 304 00:27:55,050 --> 00:28:00,210 So by the time Hell Week came around, we had put in a lot of time and energy, 305 00:28:00,290 --> 00:28:03,510 five months, and we weren't going to quit on each other. 306 00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:14,650 That Hell Week, the junior actives, which would be myself and the seven 307 00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:18,270 people that I had pledged with, were going to be the ones in charge. 308 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:26,080 So movie night, we showed up, and they told us that we're going to balance on 309 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,440 the bench on one leg. 310 00:28:29,620 --> 00:28:33,620 And then they hand us one of those big five -gallon jugs. 311 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:42,780 And we're to drink this water and pour it on ourselves while we're questioned. 312 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,900 So they had maybe about four house fans pointed towards us. 313 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:52,500 I've never been so cold in my life. 314 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:54,480 Our bodies are ready to give out. 315 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,120 We went through about five of those jugs. We peed ourselves. We threw up. 316 00:29:03,580 --> 00:29:06,000 You know what happens when you drink a lot of water? 317 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,060 Your thinking goes first. 318 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,160 You can't think. You can't concentrate. 319 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,120 It's called water intoxication because you feel drunk. 320 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,800 And then your eyesight gets blurry. Everything is hazy. 321 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,380 That night, everything felt fine and normal. 322 00:29:30,740 --> 00:29:36,840 Matt and Mike seemed a little tired. They seemed exhausted. They seemed 323 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,440 And that was to be expected. 324 00:29:41,500 --> 00:29:45,000 Every fraternity member had gone through the same thing. 325 00:29:49,100 --> 00:29:51,360 Around 1 .30 in the morning. 326 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,300 Jerry said, you know, okay, we've had enough. 327 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,200 We've been at it for five, six hours. 328 00:29:58,220 --> 00:30:03,180 I had class at 8 in the morning, and I remember thinking, I need to get at 329 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:04,180 a few hours of sleep. 330 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:14,100 I remember telling everybody to just kind of finish up the night and that I 331 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:15,300 would check on them afterwards. 332 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:20,400 Carlos and JP and Gabe were still down there. 333 00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:28,570 Gabe had come back from the bars at that time. I know that he had been drinking. 334 00:30:30,090 --> 00:30:33,290 And that's when Gabe took over. 335 00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:42,050 Gabe got us up on the bench again, got us drinking water again, got us throwing 336 00:30:42,050 --> 00:30:44,670 up again, pulling us down, working out. 337 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:51,850 It had to be about another hour and a half, if not two hours. 338 00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:03,010 Gabe came across as a bully. He was relishing in administering pain and 339 00:31:03,010 --> 00:31:04,210 discomfort to these two. 340 00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:08,570 He just wouldn't stop. He would not let up. 341 00:31:13,070 --> 00:31:19,170 Me and Matthew were doing push -ups, and Matthew, on his way down, 342 00:31:19,450 --> 00:31:20,650 collapsed. 343 00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:29,580 And he rolled on his back, and he... I could tell he was having a seizure, and 344 00:31:29,580 --> 00:31:35,300 he was convulsing, and he had bitten down on his tongue really hard. His 345 00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:40,400 was stuck in between his teeth, and his eyes were rolling back in his head. 346 00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:49,260 I put my finger in his mouth to try to release his tongue, and he bit down 347 00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:50,840 on me so hard I started to bleed. 348 00:31:53,260 --> 00:31:55,760 I said, Matt is having a seizure. Call the ambulance. 349 00:31:56,620 --> 00:32:01,860 And that's when a few of the brothers adamantly convinced me that they were 350 00:32:01,860 --> 00:32:06,540 of the fire department and EMTs and this is what they're studying. And it's 351 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:09,140 fine. He's fine. It's no big deal. It's over. 352 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,360 He's fine. 353 00:32:13,860 --> 00:32:19,160 What that does to the human body, drinking lots of water, is it washes out 354 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,460 electrolytes in your blood. 355 00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:24,300 And if you don't have it, your body just shuts down. 356 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,280 They pulled me and him out of the water onto the couch. 357 00:32:31,740 --> 00:32:35,400 And Matt's head was in my lap. And I heard him snoring. 358 00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:39,360 And I said, guys, he's snoring. 359 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,440 He's asleep, you know. 360 00:32:46,100 --> 00:32:47,500 And then he stopped breathing. 361 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,040 I said, guys, he stopped breathing. He stopped breathing. 362 00:32:51,940 --> 00:32:53,000 Call the ambulance. 363 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,560 And still there was pushback. 364 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,480 And then he started to foam out of his mouth. 365 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,200 I finally, finally one of them called 911. 366 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:13,320 Chica Police. 367 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:19,460 Hello, we have an emergency. We have a guy that went into seizures earlier and 368 00:33:19,460 --> 00:33:22,640 we're afraid he's not... What's the address? 369 00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:38,030 The biggest question that I had was, why didn't anyone call 911 earlier? 370 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:44,430 That these people should have known, should have called an ambulance. 371 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:51,750 They deprived him of that opportunity for early medical intervention 372 00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:57,670 was an important part in what we were looking at this homicide. 373 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:07,160 We went to the precinct and the detective told us we think that he 374 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,360 was killed during a hazing. 375 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,420 I was like, so they killed our son? 376 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,600 They said, with the way the laws are written, we probably won't be able to 377 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:24,600 anybody accountable. 378 00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:28,820 You can't use the word kill. 379 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,380 and nobody accountable in the same sentence. 380 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,960 There's no really explaining it, you know. 381 00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:56,940 You just want to find answers. 382 00:34:59,980 --> 00:35:06,860 And going back to the scene of the crime, where the answers are, I just had 383 00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:09,580 pull where I had to be where Matt was. 384 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:18,820 I thought after 14 years I could walk into this basement and, I mean, not have 385 00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:19,820 breakdown. 386 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,060 It was really harder than I thought it was going to be. 387 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,720 From a legal standpoint, a case like this was a very difficult case to make. 388 00:35:39,420 --> 00:35:42,960 I thought that there was a pretty good chance that we were not going to be able 389 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,560 to hold anybody criminally responsible. 390 00:35:46,740 --> 00:35:48,880 And so we kept pushing. 391 00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,020 We knew, based upon our conversations with the University Police Department, 392 00:36:00,380 --> 00:36:03,440 members of fraternities and sororities had to go through 393 00:36:04,330 --> 00:36:06,590 that were put on by the university. 394 00:36:07,590 --> 00:36:11,410 I specifically asked the gentleman that gave the training if drinking water 395 00:36:11,410 --> 00:36:13,010 could be deadly. 396 00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:19,470 The trainer said it would be as clear as pointing a gun at somebody that if you 397 00:36:19,470 --> 00:36:21,750 make somebody drink mass quantities of water, you can kill them. 398 00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:29,390 We were able to secure the sign -in sheet from that training. 399 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,740 So that was the moment that we knew that we had something. 400 00:36:46,380 --> 00:36:53,340 And so it was our smoking gun that we were looking at. It all was 401 00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:57,760 able to be put together into that jigsaw puzzle of evidence. 402 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,340 Sergeant Keeney called and he said, Debbie, we've got warrants out. 403 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,340 They're going out this morning. 404 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,680 He started going through the details of what had happened to Matt. 405 00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:33,500 We just thought it was going to have a breakdown. 406 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:40,360 It was a shock to be presented with an arrest warrant. 407 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,100 I was told that I was being charged with involuntary manslaughter. 408 00:37:45,740 --> 00:37:51,780 I was in uncharted territory emotionally on how I feel being a murderer. 409 00:37:55,980 --> 00:38:00,740 That was important to say, okay, we're getting felony convictions here. 410 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,040 This necessitated very severe consequences. 411 00:38:11,470 --> 00:38:14,230 Nothing I can say here today will bring back Matthew Carrington. 412 00:38:14,450 --> 00:38:18,330 I will do whatever I can to inform others of the stupidity and 413 00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:21,690 hazing. I will live with the consequences of hazing for the rest of 414 00:38:22,450 --> 00:38:24,010 My actions killed a good person. 415 00:38:40,030 --> 00:38:43,870 After... What happened with Matthew, my drinking got a lot worse. 416 00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:49,510 I blamed myself for what I didn't do to protect my friend. 417 00:38:50,190 --> 00:38:55,710 I wish I was somebody different who would have been able to do things 418 00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:56,710 differently. 419 00:38:59,750 --> 00:39:04,790 Got up, ran out of the house, ran past them, went and got on the phone and 420 00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:07,790 called the ambulance. If somebody would have called an hour earlier, Matt would 421 00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:08,790 be alive. 422 00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:27,350 After I got out of jail, I continued to drink and do drugs and screw up my 423 00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:30,650 life, partly because it had no value anymore. 424 00:39:32,110 --> 00:39:36,530 And I'd love to sit there and tell myself that it might have been different 425 00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:40,010 was down in the basement, but I don't even know if it would have been 426 00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:42,270 if I was down there. I don't know if I would have made the right decision. 427 00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:53,810 I don't even know how I atone. 428 00:39:54,690 --> 00:40:01,490 Matt, by all accounts, was a great net bonus for 429 00:40:01,490 --> 00:40:02,490 this world. 430 00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:07,830 I don't know what he could have accomplished or the people whose lives 431 00:40:07,830 --> 00:40:10,950 have touched and probably touched in a much better way than I did. 432 00:40:11,730 --> 00:40:17,970 I felt that Matt was a way better person than I was. 433 00:40:20,250 --> 00:40:26,370 If one of us were supposed to die that night, whoever's in charge got that one 434 00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:27,370 wrong. 435 00:40:34,210 --> 00:40:35,210 It's a struggle. 436 00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:39,230 Some days are worse, especially when you get to his birthday. You go through the 437 00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,230 holidays. 438 00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:44,650 How do you say goodbye? 439 00:40:47,339 --> 00:40:51,900 It's important for people to remember, you know, it was a horrible tragedy that 440 00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:53,300 didn't need to happen. 441 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,720 And in order for us to make change and for them to understand, they need to 442 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,460 remember, you know, what happened in this house. 443 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,320 I knew at some point I was going to have to let it go and forgive them in order 444 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,320 to move forward. 445 00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:20,190 I can't live with hate in my heart. 38016

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