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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,200 Nobody expects these things to happen in their life. It's always going to happen 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,200 to somebody else. 3 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:11,640 I heard a car drive away. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,480 Then I just start hearing choking. 5 00:00:17,900 --> 00:00:22,640 I made sure that all my detectives were wearing their bulletproof vests, just in 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,760 case our shooter came back to the scene. A bizarre turn of events in a story 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,640 that caught the attention of the nation. 8 00:00:28,940 --> 00:00:31,000 We are literally in the middle of a mail hunt. 9 00:00:32,619 --> 00:00:33,960 We know that he's armed. 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,380 Immediately, FBI's calling the White House. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,940 He's in Washington, D .C. 12 00:00:41,900 --> 00:00:45,120 I started thinking, well, was there anything else that we could have done to 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,120 prevent it? 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,960 Here's our son, and I can't help him at all. 15 00:01:16,780 --> 00:01:21,780 Coeur d 'Alene is located in North Idaho. We're in the Panhandle, kind of 16 00:01:21,780 --> 00:01:22,780 to the Canadian border. 17 00:01:24,180 --> 00:01:26,260 It is very mountainous. 18 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,840 A lot of people like to retire here because of the lake. 19 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,320 My name is Stacey. 20 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,340 I have lived in Coeur d 'Alene my whole life. 21 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:42,480 It used to be a very small town, kind of bitter. People keep moving here because 22 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,480 it's so beautiful. 23 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:46,100 There are a lot of trees. 24 00:01:47,470 --> 00:01:51,930 greenery. My brother Kyle and I would ride our bikes through a bunch of little 25 00:01:51,930 --> 00:01:52,930 hills. 26 00:01:53,870 --> 00:02:00,170 It was just a very safe town always, but it is becoming a little 27 00:02:00,170 --> 00:02:03,430 more scary. I mean, what part of the world isn't? 28 00:02:04,990 --> 00:02:08,229 This one was one of our memories from a family trip. 29 00:02:09,270 --> 00:02:12,930 Yeah, Kyle doing a cannonball. He liked doing cannonballs. 30 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:18,200 He enjoyed being just out in the yard and playing. 31 00:02:18,420 --> 00:02:19,420 He had a good time. 32 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:23,380 My dad's name is Terry. 33 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,960 My mom's name is Nancy. 34 00:02:26,420 --> 00:02:27,960 Went on the sand dunes a lot. 35 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:29,840 I got hurt on the sand dunes a lot. 36 00:02:30,060 --> 00:02:34,200 Kyle and I rode motorcycles. I wrecked a lot more than he did, probably because 37 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,520 I was not as good as he was at riding motorcycles. 38 00:02:37,770 --> 00:02:43,370 My dad was a firefighter for 28, 30 years, something like that, so he did 39 00:02:43,370 --> 00:02:44,370 my whole life. 40 00:02:44,870 --> 00:02:48,290 The job, your whole purpose for being there is to help people, whether it's 41 00:02:48,290 --> 00:02:51,310 fires, car wrecks, suicides. 42 00:02:51,550 --> 00:02:56,350 I always thought how lucky I was that none of that happened in my family. 43 00:02:58,890 --> 00:03:04,870 Kyle was our firstborn, and he was born in 1985, and just a happy -go -lucky 44 00:03:04,870 --> 00:03:11,290 kid. And this is my grandmother and grandfather holding Kyle for the first 45 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:14,250 He was super inquisitive. 46 00:03:14,670 --> 00:03:16,790 Things amazed him. He'd study things. 47 00:03:17,230 --> 00:03:19,250 He was the smarter one of the two of us. 48 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:22,790 He always got straight A's. 49 00:03:23,150 --> 00:03:27,170 I remember he got a B on one of his tests, and he was just so distraught. 50 00:03:27,430 --> 00:03:29,690 This is when he graduated high school. 51 00:03:30,190 --> 00:03:32,070 Just a high school kid with potential. 52 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:33,410 And talent. 53 00:03:34,670 --> 00:03:36,390 He had the whole world open to him. 54 00:03:48,170 --> 00:03:49,630 I am Johan Schmidt. 55 00:03:50,470 --> 00:03:53,610 I work for the Coeur d 'Alene Police Department here in Coeur d 'Alene, 56 00:03:54,950 --> 00:03:59,430 It was the afternoon of March 6th, and I received a phone call that there had 57 00:03:59,430 --> 00:04:01,330 been a shooting here at the altar church. 58 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:06,200 and all the detective staff were being dispatched from the police department to 59 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,420 respond immediately to the scene. 60 00:04:09,140 --> 00:04:13,000 It's not every day where someone gets shot in broad daylight in the middle of, 61 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:14,140 you know, Coeur d 'Alene, Idaho. 62 00:04:15,020 --> 00:04:18,160 All I knew was that a person had been shot in the parking lot. 63 00:04:19,579 --> 00:04:23,400 There's a lot going on when you first show up to process that. 64 00:04:24,820 --> 00:04:28,380 We immediately divvy up the task amongst detectives, because right now we have 65 00:04:28,380 --> 00:04:31,080 an active crime scene. We may have a homicide. 66 00:04:31,630 --> 00:04:35,370 I can see a pool of blood right here in front of the vehicle. 67 00:04:36,450 --> 00:04:40,310 I could see multiple cell casings scattered about the parking lot here. 68 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:45,630 The caliber of bullet is a .45 ACP. It's a very large caliber bullet. 69 00:04:45,970 --> 00:04:50,590 The victim, he had been shot multiple times. We still had someone at large. We 70 00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:54,350 didn't know who had done the shooting or where that person was or if the 71 00:04:54,350 --> 00:04:56,190 community in general was still in danger. 72 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:08,080 So a Sunday in my life, since I was born as always, wake up, go to church, 73 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:13,880 and you get to dedicate this day to family and to the Lord. 74 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,360 My name is Jaden Remington, born and raised Christian in the church. I'm the 75 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,660 of Pastor Tim Remington, raised a pastor's kid. 76 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,800 My dad was a very, very good example of what a good... 77 00:05:40,340 --> 00:05:42,940 I was at work that day. 78 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,740 I am a cardiac sonographer. I do ultrasound of the heart. 79 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,580 I work at Kootenai Health. It is the only hospital in Coeur d 'Alene. 80 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:05,620 And... My mom had texted me that Kyle was missing and no one could get a hold 81 00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:07,900 him, which was very out of character for him. 82 00:06:11,260 --> 00:06:15,820 That's when my wife and I decided to drive around to his old places that we 83 00:06:15,820 --> 00:06:18,280 he liked, the high school, the casino. 84 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,780 We drove around there and found no trace of him. 85 00:06:25,380 --> 00:06:27,320 I could tell he had been stressed lately. 86 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,840 But I was thinking, wow, he's doing much better. 87 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,500 This was in the Marines. 88 00:06:52,700 --> 00:06:56,020 This was the day he graduated from boot camp. 89 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,200 Of course, his dress uniform. 90 00:07:01,060 --> 00:07:03,140 I pushed him towards the military. 91 00:07:03,780 --> 00:07:09,400 I was definitely a Navy guy, and Kyle wanted to follow in the military 92 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,400 footsteps. 93 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:16,660 When Kyle told us that he was going to be sent to Iraq, and, of course, being 94 00:07:16,660 --> 00:07:20,060 the ground, everything was pretty hostile over there. 95 00:07:20,420 --> 00:07:24,300 And so, yeah, we were concerned. 96 00:07:25,290 --> 00:07:28,910 We said a lot of prayers and just loved Amna as much as we could. 97 00:07:31,610 --> 00:07:35,790 He was a gunner on one of the helicopters that flew back and forth 98 00:07:35,790 --> 00:07:36,790 of the bases. 99 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:41,790 So he had all the stresses that go on with being over there and having mortars 100 00:07:41,790 --> 00:07:45,730 go off around the base area and stuff too. So, I mean, he experienced all that 101 00:07:45,730 --> 00:07:47,010 over there in Iraq. 102 00:07:48,050 --> 00:07:51,970 It was a little nerve -wracking while he was over there for that full seven 103 00:07:51,970 --> 00:07:54,250 months. It was good to have him back home. 104 00:07:54,670 --> 00:07:56,450 I'm just proud of the service he did. 105 00:07:57,150 --> 00:08:03,590 So I just kept going through my work day, still not super at ease, but 106 00:08:03,590 --> 00:08:09,310 I was trying to keep the hope that he was okay. 107 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:20,470 March 6th was a very average, typical Sunday. 108 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:24,820 The church is always packed. 109 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,600 Both services are always full, so the parking lot was very full. 110 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:39,400 There was a bake sale for the children's ministry that day, and so my dad 111 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,679 said hi to everybody, and I think we bought a few cookies and then went and 112 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:44,680 found a seat. 113 00:08:51,020 --> 00:08:56,740 I was still dating Macy, who is now my wife, and we wanted to take my mom and 114 00:08:56,740 --> 00:08:58,500 dad out to lunch after church. 115 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:03,500 So Macy and I were at the restaurant, and we were waiting for my parents, but 116 00:09:03,500 --> 00:09:08,180 they were 10, 15 minutes late, so I called both my mom and my dad. My mom 117 00:09:08,180 --> 00:09:09,180 pick up. 118 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:11,140 My dad did pick up. 119 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,100 I said, Dad, you're late. 120 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,300 Where are you? What's going on? He said, I'm just getting out of a meeting. I'm 121 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:21,740 sorry. It ran a little longer than I thought it was going to. 122 00:09:22,220 --> 00:09:25,000 And he just had to lock up the church. He was jumping in his car and he'd be 123 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 there in five, ten minutes. 124 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,180 And then I heard him lock up the church. 125 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,900 And it sounded like somebody just started banging on the front door. 126 00:09:44,780 --> 00:09:51,160 When I was still at the hospital, I heard a trauma alert 127 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,820 called overhead. 128 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:58,980 And I just had this sinking feeling that it was involving my brother. 129 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,200 So my coworker and I started praying that he was still alive. 130 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,020 It's just, you're helpless in that situation. 131 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:17,460 I was just praying my son's not dead. 132 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:38,820 On Sunday, March 6th, I have been working 133 00:10:38,820 --> 00:10:40,440 at the hospital. 134 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,880 I heard... 135 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:46,070 A trauma alert. 136 00:10:46,810 --> 00:10:52,330 I don't know why, but I can't explain it. It was just 137 00:10:52,330 --> 00:10:58,650 a gut feeling that something had happened because Kyle was missing and 138 00:10:58,650 --> 00:11:00,750 no one could get a hold of him. 139 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,420 You do see a lot of bad stuff. 140 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:22,440 The things that he had experienced in Iraq were very hard. 141 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,220 Some of the things haunt you. You are going to remember things. 142 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,480 And he did have PTSD. 143 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:33,500 And so, yeah, that's always a concern. 144 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:44,960 Kyle had... 145 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,900 come to me and said that he had driven around to a certain part of the lake and 146 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:56,680 had bought a hibachi -type barbecue and had set it in his car and had 147 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:59,300 tried to basically commit suicide with it. 148 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,600 He said he woke up from the intense heat and ended up getting out. 149 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,860 Throughout my whole career as a firefighter, we helped people, and I was 150 00:12:12,860 --> 00:12:13,789 thankful that... 151 00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:18,890 We didn't have to deal with any of this. And now, you know, here's our son, and 152 00:12:18,890 --> 00:12:22,050 I can't help him at all. So, sorry. 153 00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:33,490 We were thinking he committed suicide at that point. 154 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:37,210 It was just, it was devastating. It ripped our hearts out. 155 00:12:38,550 --> 00:12:42,810 His mom, you know, started calling everybody and telling, Kyle's gone, 156 00:12:42,810 --> 00:12:43,810 gone. 157 00:12:46,750 --> 00:12:51,650 Terry and I both knew that there's something really wrong. 158 00:12:56,490 --> 00:12:59,830 I heard what sounded like somebody banging on the front door. 159 00:13:03,190 --> 00:13:06,870 I said, everything okay? It sounded like someone was trying to get in the church 160 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:07,870 or something. 161 00:13:08,610 --> 00:13:12,890 And didn't really hear anything. I just, I heard a car drive away. 162 00:13:13,870 --> 00:13:15,770 And I like screaming tired. 163 00:13:17,870 --> 00:13:21,510 And then I just start hearing choking. 164 00:13:24,370 --> 00:13:26,850 And I start hearing gargling. 165 00:13:28,030 --> 00:13:30,210 And I hear moans. 166 00:13:33,410 --> 00:13:37,410 And then I hear a man yelling, Pastor Tim, Pastor Tim. 167 00:13:40,780 --> 00:13:43,500 And I heard him say, I'm calling 911. 168 00:13:44,380 --> 00:13:45,380 Hold on. 169 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,660 And I hear, I'm at 901 East Best. I'm at the altar church. 170 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:53,640 Pastor Tim has been shot. 171 00:14:00,580 --> 00:14:05,200 I mean, I honestly, it did not feel real. 172 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:09,220 We jumped in the car, and I drove as fast as I could. 173 00:14:09,710 --> 00:14:10,710 to the church. 174 00:14:18,610 --> 00:14:21,910 There's quite a crowd gathering everywhere. So a lot of people that 175 00:14:21,910 --> 00:14:23,510 back were parishioners from the church. 176 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:27,950 They're being canvassed by other officers to see if they heard or saw 177 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:34,150 The victim in this case was Tim Remington, who was the pastor of this 178 00:14:35,110 --> 00:14:36,690 Pastor Remington is... 179 00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:41,290 well -known in the community, and the fact that he could be shot multiple 180 00:14:41,290 --> 00:14:45,730 at 2 o 'clock in the afternoon on a Sunday is a big deal. 181 00:14:47,710 --> 00:14:49,290 This scene was one of concern. 182 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:53,230 Is there still somebody out there? Are we safe? Is the community safe? 183 00:14:54,930 --> 00:14:56,310 My name is Brandon McCormick. 184 00:14:56,670 --> 00:14:58,890 I'm a lieutenant here with the Coeur d 'Alene Police Department. 185 00:14:59,970 --> 00:15:03,170 If I arrive on scene and Detective Schmitz walked me through the scene, 186 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,700 Nobody that we were able to speak to knew who this person was. 187 00:15:09,140 --> 00:15:10,820 Nobody. It was a mystery. 188 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:15,300 It's not always when we go out to a crime scene that we wear our bulletproof 189 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:18,760 vests. But because we had an outstanding person, I made sure that all my 190 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,740 detectives were wearing their outer carrier, just in case our shooter 191 00:15:23,740 --> 00:15:24,740 come back. 192 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:38,970 I could see the ambulance in the parking lot, and it was just absolutely 193 00:15:38,970 --> 00:15:45,330 heartbreaking because I could see my dad laying in a big puddle of blood. 194 00:15:51,310 --> 00:15:57,830 And I'm looking at him and going, like, just, like, holding back 195 00:15:57,830 --> 00:16:01,670 so much anxiety. My heart felt like it wasn't beating at all. 196 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,900 And I'm just freaking out. 197 00:16:06,500 --> 00:16:11,540 And these two officers are running at me to stop me from getting past this tape. 198 00:16:12,220 --> 00:16:14,280 They would not let me pass them. 199 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:21,180 He said, listen, I would hurry up and get to the emergency room because he's 200 00:16:21,180 --> 00:16:22,440 going to be there very, very soon. 201 00:16:24,220 --> 00:16:26,360 And I screamed. I said, I love you, Dad. 202 00:16:30,890 --> 00:16:33,350 We drove as fast as we could to the emergency room. 203 00:16:39,650 --> 00:16:42,690 My family all started showing up. 204 00:16:43,530 --> 00:16:47,410 When I got to the hospital and we were ushered into the waiting room, 205 00:16:47,490 --> 00:16:54,350 the doctor told us that the first shot hit him in the back. 206 00:16:54,690 --> 00:16:58,790 He then got four shots in his shoulder area. 207 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,300 And one of those came through the top of his shoulder, shallow, and then hit him 208 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:09,200 in the head. She thought this was our last chance to see him before he died. 209 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,940 All of our family was there as they wheeled him down the hallway. 210 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,800 He was covered with blood. 211 00:17:18,060 --> 00:17:23,060 The skin that you could see was pale, ghostly white. 212 00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:30,420 And you can imagine his children, his mother, his wife, just saying, I love 213 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,060 I love you, as he goes down the hall. 214 00:17:34,140 --> 00:17:35,420 And then he was gone. 215 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:44,360 The officers that came to see us when we were in the waiting room told us, in 216 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:49,480 essence, that they really didn't know much. There was very little information 217 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:50,480 go on. 218 00:17:57,980 --> 00:18:01,640 Of course, the first question I would want to ask Pastor Tim, have you been 219 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,640 threatened? 220 00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:07,280 Who's the person who threatened you most recently, and what was that threat? But 221 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,240 we were unable to ask him those questions, so we were asking his 222 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,240 pastor. 223 00:18:11,620 --> 00:18:15,580 My name is John Padula, and I've been pastoring for about four years at the 224 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:16,580 Altar Church. 225 00:18:18,730 --> 00:18:23,290 I immediately went up to the police officers, told them the ministry here is 226 00:18:23,290 --> 00:18:27,030 pretty much focused on people in rehabilitation from drugs, alcohol. 227 00:18:27,390 --> 00:18:31,530 So most of the people that come into the rehab here have a pretty bad past, 228 00:18:31,650 --> 00:18:37,110 whether they're felons or on parole or have violent tendencies, those types of 229 00:18:37,110 --> 00:18:38,110 things. 230 00:18:38,430 --> 00:18:40,290 I was thinking it may have been somebody. 231 00:18:41,340 --> 00:18:44,140 that had not made it through the program. Some of those people get a 232 00:18:44,140 --> 00:18:47,620 when we have to talk to probation or the court system. They end up back in jail 233 00:18:47,620 --> 00:18:49,680 because we have to turn it in if they're not doing well. 234 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,220 Padulo informed us that they had had death threats in the past. They had had 235 00:18:54,220 --> 00:18:57,580 prior members of the church that had threatened Pastor Remington. 236 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:02,480 One time somebody had waited until after church and had put a gun to Pastor 237 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,980 Tim's head and threatened to take his life. 238 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:15,140 And then the realization came that somebody wanted to take Tim out, and the 239 00:19:15,140 --> 00:19:16,400 battle wasn't over yet. 240 00:19:35,180 --> 00:19:39,020 They are the beginning moments of a massive manhunt in Coeur d 'Alene as 241 00:19:39,020 --> 00:19:41,860 are called to a shooting outside the altar church. 242 00:19:42,260 --> 00:19:46,180 Make sure at ATL and surrounding agencies, whatever info we have. 243 00:19:46,940 --> 00:19:51,000 Initially, what we know is this is a person who is armed. We know that he is 244 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,940 very, very dangerous and who needs to be caught as quickly as possible before he 245 00:19:55,940 --> 00:19:57,020 can harm somebody else. 246 00:20:11,850 --> 00:20:14,410 Pastor Tim and myself have had quite a few threats. 247 00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:19,210 They've been pretty serious at times from people that we thought could carry 248 00:20:19,210 --> 00:20:22,750 them out if they really wanted to and that definitely are capable of it. 249 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:27,330 One of my initial thoughts was that it might be one of these people that felt 250 00:20:27,330 --> 00:20:32,290 wronged or disenfranchised by one of Pastor Remington's programs and had some 251 00:20:32,290 --> 00:20:35,270 reason wanted to target Pastor Remington as a result of that. 252 00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:49,250 One of the great things about this church is it has great surveillance 253 00:20:49,670 --> 00:20:52,950 They have several cameras inside, but they have several cameras outside. So 254 00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:56,710 knowing that our crime scene was likely in the northwest corner of the building, 255 00:20:56,850 --> 00:21:02,770 we had people looking at footage to see if we could capture what took place on 256 00:21:02,770 --> 00:21:03,770 film. 257 00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:09,250 Pastor Umtun exits the church. 258 00:21:10,350 --> 00:21:11,830 He's actually on the cell phone. 259 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,300 The footage depicts him standing in front of his car, continuing the 260 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:17,300 conversation. 261 00:21:17,740 --> 00:21:19,700 He kind of has his back turned. 262 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,380 He opens the car door. 263 00:21:22,780 --> 00:21:27,740 A male shooter is walking and shooting at the same time and shot until he had 264 00:21:27,740 --> 00:21:29,260 more bullets left to fire. 265 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,540 You can see Pastor Remington fall to the ground. 266 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:39,140 You then see the shooter exit the frame, and when witnesses were talked to 267 00:21:39,140 --> 00:21:41,300 afterwards, none of them recognized... 268 00:21:41,870 --> 00:21:45,410 who the shooter was as someone who was a regular at the church or anything like 269 00:21:45,410 --> 00:21:46,410 that. 270 00:21:46,510 --> 00:21:49,170 It was a mystery. Our shooter was gone. 271 00:21:50,110 --> 00:21:51,530 Nobody knew who he was. 272 00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:55,810 There are also cameras all along the north side of the building. 273 00:21:57,310 --> 00:22:04,250 It enabled us to piece together how the shooter arrived that day, the vehicle he 274 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:09,810 was driving, where he parked. He actually parked in multiple spots 275 00:22:09,810 --> 00:22:10,810 the course of the morning. 276 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:19,340 After shooting Pastor Remington, he immediately went to a silver Honda 277 00:22:19,340 --> 00:22:22,120 and drove out of the parking lot to the south. 278 00:22:23,620 --> 00:22:28,400 We have detectives that are pouring through this security footage at the 279 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,100 church. Mind you, every second we take fast -forwarding through footage is 280 00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:36,320 another second this guy is either getting further away from us or closer 281 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,280 someone else that he wants to harm. So you feel the pressure. We need to 282 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:41,900 identify who this suspect is. 283 00:22:43,419 --> 00:22:47,760 Ultimately, we got a huge break, and we found one view in a different part of 284 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,500 the parking lot where we could make out a plate. We run it, and the registered 285 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:53,280 owner of that vehicle comes back. 286 00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:04,680 My wife had gone over to Grandma's house. 287 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:10,580 Nancy really needed to be with her mom. She wanted to go there so they could 288 00:23:10,580 --> 00:23:11,640 actually comfort each other. 289 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:16,620 We wanted somebody to be here in case Kyle showed up and somebody at Grandma's 290 00:23:16,620 --> 00:23:19,120 house where Kyle was staying to see if he showed up there. 291 00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:26,920 That morning, my mom called me, and she said that Kyle had laid out 292 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,000 some things on the bed she wanted me to see. 293 00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:32,000 She was really concerned. 294 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,860 He laid out his accomplishments, his diploma, some of his military stuff, 295 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,340 all the good things. 296 00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:42,690 in his life. 297 00:23:56,930 --> 00:24:03,730 We had our front window blinds that were kind of open and I saw strange 298 00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:04,870 people walking in our neighborhood. 299 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,100 We're a tight -knit neighborhood, and we know most of the people in the 300 00:24:09,100 --> 00:24:11,980 neighborhood, and these two guys walking by looked out of place. 301 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 They don't belong here. 302 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:22,020 And then I saw them taking hidden snapshots of the front of the house, and 303 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:23,380 cars in the driveway. 304 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,780 I could tell they went down around the corner, so I jumped in the car. 305 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,560 I was going to get a picture of them just to have them on record, so at least 306 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,270 if... Something went down in the neighborhood. 307 00:24:36,530 --> 00:24:39,550 I could say these two people were taking pictures. 308 00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:46,090 I got in my vehicle and wanted to go see where those guys had gone to. 309 00:24:47,530 --> 00:24:50,830 I had my camera out, getting ready to take a picture of them. 310 00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:58,310 As I turned the corner and I rolled my window down, they were 311 00:24:58,310 --> 00:25:02,750 sitting here in a SUV, so I started taking pictures of the two guys that 312 00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:03,750 standing there. 313 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,720 They were actually talking to somebody else in another vehicle. 314 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:18,240 And that's when the realization hit me that something bigger was going on. 315 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:27,600 So as I got around this corner up here, I heard sirens and saw the lights come 316 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,100 on. So I kind of pulled over, knowing that they were obviously going to be 317 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:34,100 stopping me. 318 00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:42,150 They pulled me out and they frisked me and put me in cuffs. 319 00:25:44,290 --> 00:25:49,310 And I had a concealed weapon, because I always do. And, of course, they took 320 00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:56,150 that and, you know, basically everybody's lives got kind of turned 321 00:25:56,150 --> 00:25:57,150 that day. 322 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:17,050 Police pulled me over, and they fricked me and put me in cuffs. 323 00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:27,650 And that's when they told me all about the incident at the altar church. 324 00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:34,130 They said, well, somebody shot Pastor Remington at the altar church, and that 325 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:35,950 meant nothing to me. 326 00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:39,770 I'd never heard of Pastor Remington or the altar church. 327 00:26:41,820 --> 00:26:47,260 and said, well, your son's car was in that parking lot, and they were pretty 328 00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:48,800 sure it was Kyle that had shot him. 329 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,520 They showed me a picture of Kyle's car that they had taken off the video 330 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,860 security at the church and said, we're looking for this car. 331 00:27:01,460 --> 00:27:04,020 Could have been anyone's two -door Accord. 332 00:27:04,820 --> 00:27:09,160 There's another couple of Honda Accords, two doors here in the neighborhood that 333 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,160 are the same color. 334 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:13,530 There's no way he could have done that. There's no way he could have done it. 335 00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:18,630 I really needed to see a little bit more to really believe that he could have 336 00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:19,630 been involved in this. 337 00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:34,970 In reviewing the security footage they had at the church, there were several 338 00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:38,470 cameras in this lobby area, in addition to cameras outside. 339 00:27:40,270 --> 00:27:44,990 Right in front of those two doors, there was a large table with, like, a cloth 340 00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:47,030 and pies and cakes and whatnot. 341 00:27:47,650 --> 00:27:50,010 Church is out, you know, and everyone's talking. 342 00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:58,710 And what really struck me is there's footage of the shooter standing here in 343 00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:59,710 lobby. 344 00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:05,590 The footage goes on for a long time. 345 00:28:15,370 --> 00:28:19,750 There are several times where I can see Pastor Remington enter the frame. 346 00:28:20,230 --> 00:28:22,710 He's talking to the people over here behind these pies. 347 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:26,990 Like, the shooter very aware of Pastor Remington's presence. 348 00:28:28,570 --> 00:28:32,130 Now, I have seen a lot of things, and that was creepy, the way he just kind of 349 00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:35,310 milled about the frame and observed Pastor Remington. 350 00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:38,990 His hands are obscured the entire time. 351 00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:42,530 You can't see what he's doing with his hands underneath the shirt. 352 00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:44,430 That was... 353 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:46,060 Disconcerting to me. 354 00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:54,060 I feel very fortunate that whatever plan he had in his mind to execute that day 355 00:28:54,060 --> 00:28:58,420 wasn't executed up here in this lobby of the church and instead happened out in 356 00:28:58,420 --> 00:28:59,420 the parking lot. 357 00:28:59,940 --> 00:29:05,240 Because there's so many women and children and innocent standing around, 358 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,840 would have been terrible, terrible for it to go down in here. 359 00:29:21,790 --> 00:29:23,790 They had him on video at the church. 360 00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:26,210 They showed me a few pictures. 361 00:29:31,150 --> 00:29:35,210 Absolute disbelief. I just couldn't, I can't, I could not picture my son doing 362 00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:37,490 that. It was shocking to me. 363 00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:41,750 It was like living in a dream, you know, a bad dream. 364 00:29:43,670 --> 00:29:47,170 That's when the realization hit me that, you know, Kyle might have been 365 00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:48,170 involved. 366 00:29:49,230 --> 00:29:52,850 This is probably the first time that I've seen my dad cry aside from when his 367 00:29:52,850 --> 00:29:53,850 mom died. 368 00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:57,770 I just, I didn't want to believe it. 369 00:29:58,250 --> 00:30:02,950 Kyle never even wanted to, you know, hunt or to kill a living thing. 370 00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:05,290 It hurts. 371 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:11,030 It's very painful for me as a mother. 372 00:30:13,170 --> 00:30:17,810 Birth and giving birth was the pain that I felt. 373 00:30:20,430 --> 00:30:26,890 It was like there was really no time to think about anything other than 374 00:30:26,890 --> 00:30:32,190 man alive, I hope he's okay, and I hope he doesn't hurt someone else. 375 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:52,790 He called us and said, I've got to come down and see you. Can I come down right 376 00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:54,690 now? And so he flew down that night. 377 00:30:55,070 --> 00:30:58,630 And so both my wife and I were like, what's going on here? 378 00:30:59,850 --> 00:31:03,410 Kyle said, I saw basically monsters, aliens. 379 00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:07,110 They were going to bust through the brick to get into us. 380 00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:09,290 And he was fearful for us. 381 00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:13,270 What he saw was so real to him. 382 00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:18,430 Right then we knew, wow, he needs some help. 383 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,760 There's nothing we can do. 384 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,540 I knew I had no skills to deal with this. 385 00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:37,280 So the next morning, after a long, long, restless night, 386 00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:44,200 we took him to VA and hoped that they would have something there and that they 387 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,200 could help him with. 388 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:46,860 That was... 389 00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:50,190 Start of a long, long, long nightmare. 390 00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:08,150 The VA gave him some medication and stuff to help him relax, but he was so 391 00:32:08,150 --> 00:32:10,590 scared of everything, he would not take anything. 392 00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:16,210 But that was the first introduction to us knowing that there was an issue of 393 00:32:16,210 --> 00:32:17,210 kind. 394 00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:21,860 And we had no clue how to help him. No clue. 395 00:32:29,380 --> 00:32:34,280 At this point, I'm calling out our hunt task force because we still have an 396 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,720 outstanding suspect that obviously has the propensity to fire his gun. 397 00:32:39,140 --> 00:32:41,200 So we were on guard. 398 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,440 But I know that his mom was really concerned. 399 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:51,500 about what was going to happen if it came to a confrontation with Kyle. 400 00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:56,680 When you're confronted by the police, I'm sure you guys have heard the term, 401 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,220 know, suicide by cop, and that's always a concern for us too, especially with 402 00:33:01,220 --> 00:33:03,420 the information that we had about Kyle. 403 00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:05,980 There definitely was a ticking clock. 404 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,400 We needed to find Kyle Odom and who else might be in danger. Those are all 405 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,400 burning questions. 406 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,160 We were able to obtain phone records for Kyle Odom. 407 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,340 Start pinging the phone. And the track of the phone goes westbound on I -90 408 00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:23,540 towards Spokane. 409 00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:30,240 And then southbound through the Tri -Cities and then Interstate 84 going 410 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,500 towards Boise. And right around Pendleton, Oregon, signal goes dead. 411 00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:46,340 He ends up making a Facebook post while he's on the run. 412 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,540 Holy crap, he posted on Facebook. Get the IP address of that post. I can't 413 00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:54,540 believe he just posted on Facebook. 414 00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:59,520 He posts a picture of an alien on his Facebook account. 415 00:34:00,380 --> 00:34:06,440 And we're able to immediately get a warrant for Facebook and track that IP 416 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,739 address that he posted from to Washington, D .C. 417 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,239 Simultaneously, we're intercepting a thumb drive that he sends to his 418 00:34:17,260 --> 00:34:21,520 In that thumb drive was Kyle Odom's manifesto. 419 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:31,040 It was the most detailed account of start to finish, day one until he 420 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,400 realized what he needed to do. 421 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,860 When I was reading that, it makes you so sad because he felt like it was his 422 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:44,260 mission to save the world, to help. 423 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,100 Save us from the Martians. 424 00:34:50,420 --> 00:34:54,920 He described how Pastor Remington was an alien, how John Padula was an alien, 425 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,280 and how he had to take this action against them to preserve our 426 00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:08,180 And we're like, um, we need to get SWAT to Padula's house right now. 427 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,180 I had a group text message app where I would send out a text message that would 428 00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:29,400 go out to about 390 people a day that would be either scripture or some type 429 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,400 encouragement. 430 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,560 Old number got assigned automatically to Kyle Odom when he got a new phone. 431 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,240 Kyle Odom places a certain stake in these scripture texts and may start 432 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:44,440 motivating his behavior. 433 00:35:45,900 --> 00:35:49,420 And so that's how we learned the contact began between Mr. 434 00:35:49,660 --> 00:35:51,230 Odom. and the altar church. 435 00:35:52,070 --> 00:35:54,830 I don't know what was next on his agenda. 436 00:35:55,930 --> 00:36:00,690 Breaking news tonight as Secret Service observe a man throwing objects over the 437 00:36:00,690 --> 00:36:02,190 south fence of the White House. 438 00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:05,090 He's going to shoot somebody else. 439 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:26,180 The first wind we get of Kyle Odom, we got a hit. 440 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,460 He went up on his Facebook account. 441 00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:38,560 By posting on Facebook, now he has popped up on the grid again. 442 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:45,900 We get a big break. We successfully identify that IP address is coming from 443 00:36:45,900 --> 00:36:49,440 hotel in Washington, D .C., near the White House. 444 00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:54,580 Immediately, FBI's calling, let's get somebody to the hotel. 445 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,820 As they check the hotel for where the post was made, Mr. Odom is no longer 446 00:37:01,820 --> 00:37:02,820 there. 447 00:37:04,220 --> 00:37:05,760 Someone just saw him walk out. 448 00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:14,560 A bizarre turn of events in a story that caught the attention of the nation. 449 00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:19,840 A pastor gunned down in his church parking lot, igniting a multi -state 450 00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:22,750 came to an end on the other side of the country. 451 00:37:24,430 --> 00:37:28,570 Secret Service just tackled somebody throwing something over the fence at the 452 00:37:28,570 --> 00:37:31,970 White House. And they've taken that person into custody, and lo and behold, 453 00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:32,970 Kyle Odom. 454 00:37:33,830 --> 00:37:37,370 And what he ultimately was throwing over the fence was a backpack containing 455 00:37:37,370 --> 00:37:42,630 another copy of his thumb drive and manifesto and a letter to, at that time, 456 00:37:42,690 --> 00:37:47,090 President Obama, imploring him for his assistance in dealing with the alien 457 00:37:47,090 --> 00:37:48,550 infiltration into our society. 458 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:02,860 We got a call saying, hey, he's arrested and he's safe. At that point, 459 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,160 we were actually relieved that he was caught. Number one, that he couldn't 460 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,720 anyone else. Number two, that he can't harm himself. 461 00:38:11,220 --> 00:38:13,340 It was like watching a story about somebody else. 462 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:19,120 It's not like it's Kyle. It does not look like our son. 463 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,800 Certainly not the son we know. 464 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,140 Of course, after the fact, you go back to being hardworking again because of 465 00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:30,180 effect that it had to all of his family. 466 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,380 Pastor Emerton, his whole family has been devastated. 467 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,600 This stuff I got about five, six weeks ago. 468 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,560 I haven't opened it yet, so this is... 469 00:38:51,250 --> 00:38:54,410 my first time of opening these bags. 470 00:39:00,230 --> 00:39:03,970 What is this? Oh, it says that is the shirt. 471 00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:06,270 That's my Pastor Tim shirt. 472 00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:07,930 Right there. 473 00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:10,930 There's a hole. 474 00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:13,870 There's the one on this side. 475 00:39:14,490 --> 00:39:16,470 There's the pelvic. Look at that. 476 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,320 This is the one that took out your arm. 477 00:39:22,620 --> 00:39:26,000 This is the one that went in and out and hit you in the head. 478 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,800 Everything about me is a miracle. 479 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,780 It's all a miracle. 480 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:45,800 My right side was destroyed. 481 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,700 I didn't know if I was going to be able to walk again. And every day my right 482 00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:53,620 arm feels like it's in a deep fryer. 483 00:39:53,980 --> 00:40:00,780 They didn't think I would ever move 484 00:40:00,780 --> 00:40:03,660 my right arm. They said I would never play the piano again. 485 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,080 I'm not a victim. 486 00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:11,980 And that's what I've been telling everybody from the beginning. 487 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:13,380 I'm not the victim. 488 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,080 I'm the victor. 489 00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:37,220 I mean, as a mother, and you think back to all the years in raising a child 490 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:43,960 and what it takes to get the right amount of love 491 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,980 and correction and guidance, it's really painful when 492 00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:54,860 your child makes such a terrible choice. 493 00:40:58,380 --> 00:41:01,920 I would never characterize myself as a victim, but I lost a son. 494 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,860 And so I feel their pain. 495 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,740 Because I just know what that feels like. 496 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,540 I know my wife and I both relive this daily. 497 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,100 Is there anything else that we could have done? What else? 498 00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:29,140 What did we miss? What did we see, not see? 499 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,260 Terry and Nancy are beautiful people, and I could feel their grief. 500 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:42,640 For somebody to hold a guilt like his parents, guilt drives us to a place of 501 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,840 depression. I didn't want them to lose faith, have no hope. 502 00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:52,920 I want them to have hope for their son. I don't want Kyle to feel guilty. 503 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:10,240 If I died, I didn't want my sons to be scarred with that anger and that 504 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,360 bitterness and that unforgiveness at all. 505 00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:21,520 And what I'm hoping to do today in the prison down here in Boise is to let 506 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,080 Kyle Odom, the man that shot me, know that he's forgiven. 507 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:31,960 I just hope that he receives it and that he gets what he needs out of this along 508 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,960 with myself. 43945

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