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Nobody expects these things to happen in
their life. It's always going to happen
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to somebody else.
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I heard a car drive away.
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Then I just start hearing choking.
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I made sure that all my detectives were
wearing their bulletproof vests, just in
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case our shooter came back to the scene.
A bizarre turn of events in a story
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that caught the attention of the nation.
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We are literally in the middle of a mail
hunt.
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We know that he's armed.
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Immediately, FBI's calling the White
House.
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He's in Washington, D .C.
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I started thinking, well, was there
anything else that we could have done to
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prevent it?
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Here's our son, and I can't help him at
all.
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Coeur d 'Alene is located in North
Idaho. We're in the Panhandle, kind of
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to the Canadian border.
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It is very mountainous.
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A lot of people like to retire here
because of the lake.
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My name is Stacey.
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I have lived in Coeur d 'Alene my whole
life.
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It used to be a very small town, kind of
bitter. People keep moving here because
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it's so beautiful.
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There are a lot of trees.
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greenery. My brother Kyle and I would
ride our bikes through a bunch of little
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hills.
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It was just a very safe town always, but
it is becoming a little
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more scary. I mean, what part of the
world isn't?
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This one was one of our memories from a
family trip.
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Yeah, Kyle doing a cannonball. He liked
doing cannonballs.
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He enjoyed being just out in the yard
and playing.
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He had a good time.
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My dad's name is Terry.
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My mom's name is Nancy.
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Went on the sand dunes a lot.
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I got hurt on the sand dunes a lot.
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Kyle and I rode motorcycles. I wrecked a
lot more than he did, probably because
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I was not as good as he was at riding
motorcycles.
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My dad was a firefighter for 28, 30
years, something like that, so he did
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my whole life.
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The job, your whole purpose for being
there is to help people, whether it's
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fires, car wrecks, suicides.
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I always thought how lucky I was that
none of that happened in my family.
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Kyle was our firstborn, and he was born
in 1985, and just a happy -go -lucky
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kid. And this is my grandmother and
grandfather holding Kyle for the first
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He was super inquisitive.
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Things amazed him. He'd study things.
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He was the smarter one of the two of us.
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He always got straight A's.
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I remember he got a B on one of his
tests, and he was just so distraught.
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This is when he graduated high school.
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Just a high school kid with potential.
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And talent.
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He had the whole world open to him.
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I am Johan Schmidt.
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I work for the Coeur d 'Alene Police
Department here in Coeur d 'Alene,
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It was the afternoon of March 6th, and I
received a phone call that there had
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been a shooting here at the altar
church.
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and all the detective staff were being
dispatched from the police department to
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respond immediately to the scene.
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It's not every day where someone gets
shot in broad daylight in the middle of,
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you know, Coeur d 'Alene, Idaho.
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All I knew was that a person had been
shot in the parking lot.
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There's a lot going on when you first
show up to process that.
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We immediately divvy up the task amongst
detectives, because right now we have
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an active crime scene. We may have a
homicide.
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I can see a pool of blood right here in
front of the vehicle.
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I could see multiple cell casings
scattered about the parking lot here.
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The caliber of bullet is a .45 ACP. It's
a very large caliber bullet.
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The victim, he had been shot multiple
times. We still had someone at large. We
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didn't know who had done the shooting or
where that person was or if the
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community in general was still in
danger.
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So a Sunday in my life, since I was born
as always, wake up, go to church,
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and you get to dedicate this day to
family and to the Lord.
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My name is Jaden Remington, born and
raised Christian in the church. I'm the
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of Pastor Tim Remington, raised a
pastor's kid.
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My dad was a very, very good example of
what a good...
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I was at work that day.
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I am a cardiac sonographer. I do
ultrasound of the heart.
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I work at Kootenai Health. It is the
only hospital in Coeur d 'Alene.
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And... My mom had texted me that Kyle
was missing and no one could get a hold
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him, which was very out of character for
him.
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That's when my wife and I decided to
drive around to his old places that we
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he liked, the high school, the casino.
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We drove around there and found no trace
of him.
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I could tell he had been stressed
lately.
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But I was thinking, wow, he's doing much
better.
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This was in the Marines.
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This was the day he graduated from boot
camp.
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Of course, his dress uniform.
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I pushed him towards the military.
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I was definitely a Navy guy, and Kyle
wanted to follow in the military
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footsteps.
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When Kyle told us that he was going to
be sent to Iraq, and, of course, being
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the ground, everything was pretty
hostile over there.
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And so, yeah, we were concerned.
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We said a lot of prayers and just loved
Amna as much as we could.
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He was a gunner on one of the
helicopters that flew back and forth
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of the bases.
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So he had all the stresses that go on
with being over there and having mortars
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go off around the base area and stuff
too. So, I mean, he experienced all that
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over there in Iraq.
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It was a little nerve -wracking while he
was over there for that full seven
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months. It was good to have him back
home.
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I'm just proud of the service he did.
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So I just kept going through my work
day, still not super at ease, but
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I was trying to keep the hope that he
was okay.
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March 6th was a very average, typical
Sunday.
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The church is always packed.
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Both services are always full, so the
parking lot was very full.
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There was a bake sale for the children's
ministry that day, and so my dad
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said hi to everybody, and I think we
bought a few cookies and then went and
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found a seat.
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I was still dating Macy, who is now my
wife, and we wanted to take my mom and
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dad out to lunch after church.
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So Macy and I were at the restaurant,
and we were waiting for my parents, but
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they were 10, 15 minutes late, so I
called both my mom and my dad. My mom
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pick up.
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My dad did pick up.
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I said, Dad, you're late.
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Where are you? What's going on? He said,
I'm just getting out of a meeting. I'm
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sorry. It ran a little longer than I
thought it was going to.
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And he just had to lock up the church.
He was jumping in his car and he'd be
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there in five, ten minutes.
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And then I heard him lock up the church.
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And it sounded like somebody just
started banging on the front door.
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When I was still at the hospital, I
heard a trauma alert
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called overhead.
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And I just had this sinking feeling that
it was involving my brother.
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So my coworker and I started praying
that he was still alive.
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It's just, you're helpless in that
situation.
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I was just praying my son's not dead.
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On Sunday, March 6th, I have been
working
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at the hospital.
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I heard...
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A trauma alert.
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I don't know why, but I can't explain
it. It was just
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a gut feeling that something had
happened because Kyle was missing and
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no one could get a hold of him.
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You do see a lot of bad stuff.
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The things that he had experienced in
Iraq were very hard.
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Some of the things haunt you. You are
going to remember things.
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And he did have PTSD.
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And so, yeah, that's always a concern.
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Kyle had...
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come to me and said that he had driven
around to a certain part of the lake and
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had bought a hibachi -type barbecue and
had set it in his car and had
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tried to basically commit suicide with
it.
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He said he woke up from the intense heat
and ended up getting out.
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Throughout my whole career as a
firefighter, we helped people, and I was
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thankful that...
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We didn't have to deal with any of this.
And now, you know, here's our son, and
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I can't help him at all. So, sorry.
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We were thinking he committed suicide at
that point.
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It was just, it was devastating. It
ripped our hearts out.
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His mom, you know, started calling
everybody and telling, Kyle's gone,
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gone.
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Terry and I both knew that there's
something really wrong.
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I heard what sounded like somebody
banging on the front door.
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I said, everything okay? It sounded like
someone was trying to get in the church
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or something.
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And didn't really hear anything. I just,
I heard a car drive away.
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And I like screaming tired.
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And then I just start hearing choking.
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And I start hearing gargling.
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And I hear moans.
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And then I hear a man yelling, Pastor
Tim, Pastor Tim.
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And I heard him say, I'm calling 911.
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Hold on.
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And I hear, I'm at 901 East Best. I'm at
the altar church.
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Pastor Tim has been shot.
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I mean, I honestly, it did not feel
real.
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We jumped in the car, and I drove as
fast as I could.
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to the church.
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There's quite a crowd gathering
everywhere. So a lot of people that
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back were parishioners from the church.
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They're being canvassed by other
officers to see if they heard or saw
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The victim in this case was Tim
Remington, who was the pastor of this
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Pastor Remington is...
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well -known in the community, and the
fact that he could be shot multiple
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at 2 o 'clock in the afternoon on a
Sunday is a big deal.
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This scene was one of concern.
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Is there still somebody out there? Are
we safe? Is the community safe?
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My name is Brandon McCormick.
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I'm a lieutenant here with the Coeur d
'Alene Police Department.
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If I arrive on scene and Detective
Schmitz walked me through the scene,
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Nobody that we were able to speak to
knew who this person was.
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Nobody. It was a mystery.
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It's not always when we go out to a
crime scene that we wear our bulletproof
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vests. But because we had an outstanding
person, I made sure that all my
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detectives were wearing their outer
carrier, just in case our shooter
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come back.
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I could see the ambulance in the parking
lot, and it was just absolutely
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heartbreaking because I could see my dad
laying in a big puddle of blood.
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And I'm looking at him and going, like,
just, like, holding back
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so much anxiety. My heart felt like it
wasn't beating at all.
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And I'm just freaking out.
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And these two officers are running at me
to stop me from getting past this tape.
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They would not let me pass them.
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He said, listen, I would hurry up and
get to the emergency room because he's
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going to be there very, very soon.
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And I screamed. I said, I love you, Dad.
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We drove as fast as we could to the
emergency room.
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My family all started showing up.
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When I got to the hospital and we were
ushered into the waiting room,
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the doctor told us that the first shot
hit him in the back.
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He then got four shots in his shoulder
area.
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And one of those came through the top of
his shoulder, shallow, and then hit him
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in the head. She thought this was our
last chance to see him before he died.
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All of our family was there as they
wheeled him down the hallway.
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He was covered with blood.
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The skin that you could see was pale,
ghostly white.
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And you can imagine his children, his
mother, his wife, just saying, I love
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I love you, as he goes down the hall.
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And then he was gone.
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The officers that came to see us when we
were in the waiting room told us, in
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essence, that they really didn't know
much. There was very little information
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go on.
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Of course, the first question I would
want to ask Pastor Tim, have you been
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threatened?
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Who's the person who threatened you most
recently, and what was that threat? But
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we were unable to ask him those
questions, so we were asking his
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pastor.
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My name is John Padula, and I've been
pastoring for about four years at the
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Altar Church.
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I immediately went up to the police
officers, told them the ministry here is
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pretty much focused on people in
rehabilitation from drugs, alcohol.
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So most of the people that come into the
rehab here have a pretty bad past,
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whether they're felons or on parole or
have violent tendencies, those types of
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things.
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I was thinking it may have been
somebody.
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that had not made it through the
program. Some of those people get a
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when we have to talk to probation or the
court system. They end up back in jail
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because we have to turn it in if they're
not doing well.
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Padulo informed us that they had had
death threats in the past. They had had
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prior members of the church that had
threatened Pastor Remington.
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One time somebody had waited until after
church and had put a gun to Pastor
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Tim's head and threatened to take his
life.
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And then the realization came that
somebody wanted to take Tim out, and the
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battle wasn't over yet.
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They are the beginning moments of a
massive manhunt in Coeur d 'Alene as
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are called to a shooting outside the
altar church.
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Make sure at ATL and surrounding
agencies, whatever info we have.
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Initially, what we know is this is a
person who is armed. We know that he is
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very, very dangerous and who needs to be
caught as quickly as possible before he
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can harm somebody else.
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Pastor Tim and myself have had quite a
few threats.
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They've been pretty serious at times
from people that we thought could carry
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them out if they really wanted to and
that definitely are capable of it.
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One of my initial thoughts was that it
might be one of these people that felt
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wronged or disenfranchised by one of
Pastor Remington's programs and had some
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reason wanted to target Pastor Remington
as a result of that.
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One of the great things about this
church is it has great surveillance
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They have several cameras inside, but
they have several cameras outside. So
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knowing that our crime scene was likely
in the northwest corner of the building,
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we had people looking at footage to see
if we could capture what took place on
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film.
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Pastor Umtun exits the church.
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He's actually on the cell phone.
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The footage depicts him standing in
front of his car, continuing the
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conversation.
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He kind of has his back turned.
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He opens the car door.
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A male shooter is walking and shooting
at the same time and shot until he had
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more bullets left to fire.
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You can see Pastor Remington fall to the
ground.
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You then see the shooter exit the frame,
and when witnesses were talked to
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afterwards, none of them recognized...
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who the shooter was as someone who was a
regular at the church or anything like
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that.
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It was a mystery. Our shooter was gone.
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Nobody knew who he was.
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There are also cameras all along the
north side of the building.
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It enabled us to piece together how the
shooter arrived that day, the vehicle he
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was driving, where he parked. He
actually parked in multiple spots
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the course of the morning.
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After shooting Pastor Remington, he
immediately went to a silver Honda
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and drove out of the parking lot to the
south.
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We have detectives that are pouring
through this security footage at the
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church. Mind you, every second we take
fast -forwarding through footage is
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another second this guy is either
getting further away from us or closer
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someone else that he wants to harm. So
you feel the pressure. We need to
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identify who this suspect is.
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Ultimately, we got a huge break, and we
found one view in a different part of
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the parking lot where we could make out
a plate. We run it, and the registered
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owner of that vehicle comes back.
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My wife had gone over to Grandma's
house.
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Nancy really needed to be with her mom.
She wanted to go there so they could
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actually comfort each other.
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We wanted somebody to be here in case
Kyle showed up and somebody at Grandma's
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house where Kyle was staying to see if
he showed up there.
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That morning, my mom called me, and she
said that Kyle had laid out
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some things on the bed she wanted me to
see.
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She was really concerned.
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He laid out his accomplishments, his
diploma, some of his military stuff,
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all the good things.
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in his life.
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We had our front window blinds that were
kind of open and I saw strange
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people walking in our neighborhood.
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We're a tight -knit neighborhood, and we
know most of the people in the
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neighborhood, and these two guys walking
by looked out of place.
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They don't belong here.
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And then I saw them taking hidden
snapshots of the front of the house, and
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cars in the driveway.
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I could tell they went down around the
corner, so I jumped in the car.
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I was going to get a picture of them
just to have them on record, so at least
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if... Something went down in the
neighborhood.
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I could say these two people were taking
pictures.
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I got in my vehicle and wanted to go see
where those guys had gone to.
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I had my camera out, getting ready to
take a picture of them.
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As I turned the corner and I rolled my
window down, they were
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sitting here in a SUV, so I started
taking pictures of the two guys that
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standing there.
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They were actually talking to somebody
else in another vehicle.
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And that's when the realization hit me
that something bigger was going on.
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So as I got around this corner up here,
I heard sirens and saw the lights come
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on. So I kind of pulled over, knowing
that they were obviously going to be
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stopping me.
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They pulled me out and they frisked me
and put me in cuffs.
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And I had a concealed weapon, because I
always do. And, of course, they took
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that and, you know, basically
everybody's lives got kind of turned
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that day.
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Police pulled me over, and they fricked
me and put me in cuffs.
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And that's when they told me all about
the incident at the altar church.
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They said, well, somebody shot Pastor
Remington at the altar church, and that
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meant nothing to me.
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I'd never heard of Pastor Remington or
the altar church.
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and said, well, your son's car was in
that parking lot, and they were pretty
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sure it was Kyle that had shot him.
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They showed me a picture of Kyle's car
that they had taken off the video
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security at the church and said, we're
looking for this car.
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Could have been anyone's two -door
Accord.
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There's another couple of Honda Accords,
two doors here in the neighborhood that
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are the same color.
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There's no way he could have done that.
There's no way he could have done it.
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I really needed to see a little bit more
to really believe that he could have
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been involved in this.
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In reviewing the security footage they
had at the church, there were several
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cameras in this lobby area, in addition
to cameras outside.
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Right in front of those two doors, there
was a large table with, like, a cloth
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and pies and cakes and whatnot.
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Church is out, you know, and everyone's
talking.
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And what really struck me is there's
footage of the shooter standing here in
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lobby.
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The footage goes on for a long time.
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There are several times where I can see
Pastor Remington enter the frame.
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He's talking to the people over here
behind these pies.
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Like, the shooter very aware of Pastor
Remington's presence.
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Now, I have seen a lot of things, and
that was creepy, the way he just kind of
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milled about the frame and observed
Pastor Remington.
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His hands are obscured the entire time.
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You can't see what he's doing with his
hands underneath the shirt.
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That was...
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Disconcerting to me.
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I feel very fortunate that whatever plan
he had in his mind to execute that day
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wasn't executed up here in this lobby of
the church and instead happened out in
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the parking lot.
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Because there's so many women and
children and innocent standing around,
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would have been terrible, terrible for
it to go down in here.
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They had him on video at the church.
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They showed me a few pictures.
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Absolute disbelief. I just couldn't, I
can't, I could not picture my son doing
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that. It was shocking to me.
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It was like living in a dream, you know,
a bad dream.
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That's when the realization hit me that,
you know, Kyle might have been
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involved.
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This is probably the first time that
I've seen my dad cry aside from when his
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mom died.
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I just, I didn't want to believe it.
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Kyle never even wanted to, you know,
hunt or to kill a living thing.
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It hurts.
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It's very painful for me as a mother.
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Birth and giving birth was the pain that
I felt.
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It was like there was really no time to
think about anything other than
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man alive, I hope he's okay, and I hope
he doesn't hurt someone else.
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He called us and said, I've got to come
down and see you. Can I come down right
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now? And so he flew down that night.
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And so both my wife and I were like,
what's going on here?
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Kyle said, I saw basically monsters,
aliens.
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They were going to bust through the
brick to get into us.
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And he was fearful for us.
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What he saw was so real to him.
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Right then we knew, wow, he needs some
help.
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There's nothing we can do.
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I knew I had no skills to deal with
this.
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So the next morning, after a long, long,
restless night,
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we took him to VA and hoped that they
would have something there and that they
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could help him with.
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That was...
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Start of a long, long, long nightmare.
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The VA gave him some medication and
stuff to help him relax, but he was so
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scared of everything, he would not take
anything.
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But that was the first introduction to
us knowing that there was an issue of
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kind.
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And we had no clue how to help him. No
clue.
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At this point, I'm calling out our hunt
task force because we still have an
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outstanding suspect that obviously has
the propensity to fire his gun.
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So we were on guard.
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But I know that his mom was really
concerned.
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about what was going to happen if it
came to a confrontation with Kyle.
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When you're confronted by the police,
I'm sure you guys have heard the term,
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know, suicide by cop, and that's always
a concern for us too, especially with
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the information that we had about Kyle.
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There definitely was a ticking clock.
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We needed to find Kyle Odom and who else
might be in danger. Those are all
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burning questions.
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We were able to obtain phone records for
Kyle Odom.
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Start pinging the phone. And the track
of the phone goes westbound on I -90
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towards Spokane.
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And then southbound through the Tri
-Cities and then Interstate 84 going
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towards Boise. And right around
Pendleton, Oregon, signal goes dead.
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He ends up making a Facebook post while
he's on the run.
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Holy crap, he posted on Facebook. Get
the IP address of that post. I can't
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believe he just posted on Facebook.
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He posts a picture of an alien on his
Facebook account.
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And we're able to immediately get a
warrant for Facebook and track that IP
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address that he posted from to
Washington, D .C.
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Simultaneously, we're intercepting a
thumb drive that he sends to his
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In that thumb drive was Kyle Odom's
manifesto.
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It was the most detailed account of
start to finish, day one until he
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realized what he needed to do.
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When I was reading that, it makes you so
sad because he felt like it was his
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mission to save the world, to help.
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Save us from the Martians.
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He described how Pastor Remington was an
alien, how John Padula was an alien,
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and how he had to take this action
against them to preserve our
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And we're like, um, we need to get SWAT
to Padula's house right now.
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I had a group text message app where I
would send out a text message that would
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go out to about 390 people a day that
would be either scripture or some type
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encouragement.
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Old number got assigned automatically to
Kyle Odom when he got a new phone.
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Kyle Odom places a certain stake in
these scripture texts and may start
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motivating his behavior.
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And so that's how we learned the contact
began between Mr.
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Odom. and the altar church.
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I don't know what was next on his
agenda.
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Breaking news tonight as Secret Service
observe a man throwing objects over the
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south fence of the White House.
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He's going to shoot somebody else.
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00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:26,180
The first wind we get of Kyle Odom, we
got a hit.
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He went up on his Facebook account.
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By posting on Facebook, now he has
popped up on the grid again.
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We get a big break. We successfully
identify that IP address is coming from
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hotel in Washington, D .C., near the
White House.
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Immediately, FBI's calling, let's get
somebody to the hotel.
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As they check the hotel for where the
post was made, Mr. Odom is no longer
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there.
447
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Someone just saw him walk out.
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A bizarre turn of events in a story that
caught the attention of the nation.
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A pastor gunned down in his church
parking lot, igniting a multi -state
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came to an end on the other side of the
country.
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Secret Service just tackled somebody
throwing something over the fence at the
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White House. And they've taken that
person into custody, and lo and behold,
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Kyle Odom.
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And what he ultimately was throwing over
the fence was a backpack containing
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another copy of his thumb drive and
manifesto and a letter to, at that time,
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President Obama, imploring him for his
assistance in dealing with the alien
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infiltration into our society.
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We got a call saying, hey, he's arrested
and he's safe. At that point,
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we were actually relieved that he was
caught. Number one, that he couldn't
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anyone else. Number two, that he can't
harm himself.
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It was like watching a story about
somebody else.
462
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It's not like it's Kyle. It does not
look like our son.
463
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Certainly not the son we know.
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Of course, after the fact, you go back
to being hardworking again because of
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effect that it had to all of his family.
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Pastor Emerton, his whole family has
been devastated.
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This stuff I got about five, six weeks
ago.
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I haven't opened it yet, so this is...
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my first time of opening these bags.
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What is this? Oh, it says that is the
shirt.
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That's my Pastor Tim shirt.
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00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:07,930
Right there.
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There's a hole.
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There's the one on this side.
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There's the pelvic. Look at that.
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This is the one that took out your arm.
477
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This is the one that went in and out and
hit you in the head.
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Everything about me is a miracle.
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00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,780
It's all a miracle.
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My right side was destroyed.
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00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,700
I didn't know if I was going to be able
to walk again. And every day my right
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arm feels like it's in a deep fryer.
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00:39:53,980 --> 00:40:00,780
They didn't think I would ever move
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my right arm. They said I would never
play the piano again.
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I'm not a victim.
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And that's what I've been telling
everybody from the beginning.
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I'm not the victim.
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I'm the victor.
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I mean, as a mother, and you think back
to all the years in raising a child
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and what it takes to get the right
amount of love
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and correction and guidance, it's really
painful when
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your child makes such a terrible choice.
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I would never characterize myself as a
victim, but I lost a son.
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And so I feel their pain.
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Because I just know what that feels
like.
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I know my wife and I both relive this
daily.
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00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,100
Is there anything else that we could
have done? What else?
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What did we miss? What did we see, not
see?
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00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,260
Terry and Nancy are beautiful people,
and I could feel their grief.
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For somebody to hold a guilt like his
parents, guilt drives us to a place of
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depression. I didn't want them to lose
faith, have no hope.
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I want them to have hope for their son.
I don't want Kyle to feel guilty.
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If I died, I didn't want my sons to be
scarred with that anger and that
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bitterness and that unforgiveness at
all.
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00:42:14,780 --> 00:42:21,520
And what I'm hoping to do today in the
prison down here in Boise is to let
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Kyle Odom, the man that shot me, know
that he's forgiven.
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I just hope that he receives it and that
he gets what he needs out of this along
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with myself.
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