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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,874 --> 00:00:06,702 Power 93. 2 00:00:06,876 --> 00:00:08,704 Okay. 3 00:00:08,878 --> 00:00:11,141 Tampa Bay's only all oldies station. 4 00:00:11,315 --> 00:00:13,665 Florida's favorite 5 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:15,754 country music station. 6 00:00:15,928 --> 00:00:17,626 Tampa Bay's home of rock and roll-- 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,280 It's been a ton 8 00:00:19,454 --> 00:00:21,804 of commercials and way too much talk on-- 9 00:00:21,978 --> 00:00:25,764 This is BRN, the Bubba Radio Network. 10 00:00:29,377 --> 00:00:32,554 - Power Pig. Hello. - Yeah, I'd like to talk to the complaint department. 11 00:00:32,728 --> 00:00:33,816 - Okay. Can you hold on, sir? - Yeah. 12 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:34,904 I'll transfer ya. 13 00:00:37,994 --> 00:00:41,171 It's No Panties Thursday. 14 00:00:41,345 --> 00:00:43,565 7:05, with No Panties Thursday. 15 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:47,395 I'm Bubba the Love Sponge, 16 00:00:47,569 --> 00:00:51,051 and my homie Guido on The Power Pig 93.3 FM. 17 00:00:51,225 --> 00:00:55,533 One morning on my drive to work, Brent Hatley calls me 18 00:00:55,707 --> 00:00:58,623 and says, flat out, 19 00:00:58,797 --> 00:01:01,278 "Has Hogan ever fucked your wife?" 20 00:01:02,540 --> 00:01:06,327 There's a still of Hulk Hogan and Heather, and I look close. 21 00:01:06,501 --> 00:01:08,285 Even though it's grainy, I look close and I'm like, 22 00:01:08,459 --> 00:01:10,287 "Oh, that's Bubba's bedroom." 23 00:01:10,461 --> 00:01:13,421 I was like, "Holy shit. 24 00:01:13,595 --> 00:01:16,424 There's a videotape of this and The Dirty has it?" 25 00:01:16,598 --> 00:01:19,601 I said, "Listen, run upstairs and look at my desk 26 00:01:19,775 --> 00:01:23,648 and see if there are, uh, uh, any DVDs 27 00:01:23,822 --> 00:01:26,260 in my locked desk drawer to the left." 28 00:01:26,434 --> 00:01:27,957 "Open it." 29 00:01:28,610 --> 00:01:31,395 I was like, "Bubba, there's no DVDs in here at all." 30 00:01:32,831 --> 00:01:35,747 I knew I was fucked. I absolutely knew 31 00:01:35,921 --> 00:01:40,143 my life was about to change drastically for the worse. 32 00:01:43,842 --> 00:01:47,411 Hulk Hogan filed two lawsuits today against Heather Clem 33 00:01:47,585 --> 00:01:49,935 and her ex-husband Bubba the Love Sponge. 34 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:52,242 Are you any nearer to knowing who betrayed you? 35 00:01:52,416 --> 00:01:55,419 - At this point, no. You know, we had TMZ. - Yeah. 36 00:01:55,593 --> 00:01:57,682 You know, they're pointing to a very good friend of mine, 37 00:01:57,856 --> 00:02:00,337 Bubba the Love Sponge, and to this day, I would have 38 00:02:00,511 --> 00:02:02,034 to see the tape to believe that. 39 00:02:02,209 --> 00:02:04,211 And I haven't seen the tape. 40 00:02:04,385 --> 00:02:06,213 The videotape starred 41 00:02:06,387 --> 00:02:08,563 Hogan and Heather Clem. 42 00:02:08,737 --> 00:02:12,306 Um, she was the ex-wife of shock jock Bubba the Love Sponge. 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,917 Posting a secretly-taped sex video 44 00:02:15,091 --> 00:02:17,267 showing Hogan with his best friend's wife. 45 00:02:17,441 --> 00:02:20,618 A sex video of Hulk and Heather doing their thing. 46 00:02:20,792 --> 00:02:22,533 She was married to Bubba at the time. 47 00:02:22,707 --> 00:02:25,493 I was doing, uh, my daily show preparation. 48 00:02:25,667 --> 00:02:28,322 I have to go through all the news, and boom, here it is 49 00:02:28,496 --> 00:02:30,411 on a website called The Dirty. 50 00:02:30,585 --> 00:02:32,413 First thought that goes through my head is, 51 00:02:32,978 --> 00:02:35,459 "Oh, Heather's doing this to fuck him over." 52 00:02:35,633 --> 00:02:39,202 What is it like when Hogan walks out after he's had sex with your wife? 53 00:02:39,376 --> 00:02:41,204 And, and, like, all of a sudden he goes, "Okay, man, I'll see you later." 54 00:02:41,378 --> 00:02:44,251 I mean, don't you-- Aren't you sort of angry, even at yourself? 55 00:02:44,425 --> 00:02:47,297 The real problem in itself is who the hell leaked this? 56 00:02:47,471 --> 00:02:49,125 - Right. Now, you said-- Listen. - That's the problem. 57 00:02:49,299 --> 00:02:51,649 I guess he feels you leaked it. 58 00:02:51,823 --> 00:02:55,653 "Bubba taped it. Bubba fucking tried to sell it. 59 00:02:55,827 --> 00:02:57,525 Bubba tried to extort Hogan." 60 00:02:57,699 --> 00:03:00,005 Bu-- You know, the only thing I really did wrong 61 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:02,094 is I let my best friend fuck my wife 62 00:03:02,269 --> 00:03:04,096 and my surveillance tape got it. 63 00:03:04,271 --> 00:03:07,230 I can't think of anything that would make me look more dumb 64 00:03:07,404 --> 00:03:08,666 than leaking this tape. 65 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,060 Here's Bubba, his best friend, 66 00:03:11,234 --> 00:03:13,062 now looks like he sold the tape. 67 00:03:13,236 --> 00:03:15,238 It looks like, you know, he's a cuckold, 68 00:03:15,412 --> 00:03:18,110 that he's letting his wife sleep with anybody and everybody. 69 00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:19,982 And, and now this friendship, 70 00:03:20,156 --> 00:03:22,854 this, this beautiful brotherhood was being shattered. 71 00:03:23,028 --> 00:03:25,248 That day, he called me. He said, "It's over. 72 00:03:25,422 --> 00:03:27,250 And I don't want to be here anymore." 73 00:03:27,424 --> 00:03:30,427 Hogan knows Bubba didn't take that tape. 74 00:03:30,601 --> 00:03:32,995 Didn't sell that tape, didn't give that tape away. 75 00:03:33,169 --> 00:03:36,041 - It was stolen from them. - Bubba was saying, "It's cool." 76 00:03:36,216 --> 00:03:37,956 Honestly, Heather was relentless. 77 00:03:38,130 --> 00:03:40,437 - "I wanna see your thing. I wanna f you." - Right. 78 00:03:40,611 --> 00:03:44,006 - On and on and on. - Um, I didn't go up there and check on it daily. I didn't. 79 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:47,139 And, and again... joke's on me. 80 00:03:47,314 --> 00:03:48,967 I should have destroyed it immediately. 81 00:03:49,141 --> 00:03:50,752 This was a radio war 82 00:03:50,926 --> 00:03:53,233 that Hogan was used as the pawn. 83 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:56,366 It is a mystery that has stretched from here to Hollywood. 84 00:03:56,540 --> 00:03:58,150 Who stole and leaked the videotape 85 00:03:58,325 --> 00:04:01,153 that's now at the center of a $100 million lawsuit? 86 00:04:01,328 --> 00:04:03,591 It's... it's a dirty game. 87 00:04:05,636 --> 00:04:07,551 I'm telling you, you guys are... 88 00:04:07,725 --> 00:04:09,727 You're just scratching the surface. 89 00:05:28,806 --> 00:05:30,808 I was born in Warsaw, Indiana, 90 00:05:30,982 --> 00:05:33,028 and that's where I was raised as well. 91 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:36,205 Well, my sister is my world. Still is to this day. 92 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:39,164 My mother as well. You know, my mother has been my rock. 93 00:05:40,165 --> 00:05:42,385 Bubba was an awesome kid. 94 00:05:42,559 --> 00:05:45,127 He really was. I don't know what happened. 95 00:05:45,301 --> 00:05:49,044 He put the cat in a ten-pound bag of potatoes in the dryer. 96 00:05:49,218 --> 00:05:51,176 He ate all of your birth control pills. 97 00:05:51,351 --> 00:05:52,830 - He did. - One time. 98 00:05:53,004 --> 00:05:54,397 - And pee on you in the bathtub. - Oh, yeah. 99 00:05:54,571 --> 00:05:56,921 Pee on me in the bathtub. That was a classic. 100 00:05:57,487 --> 00:06:00,795 In fourth grade, I actually wrote "fuck" on the bathroom wall 101 00:06:00,969 --> 00:06:04,581 in Magic Marker, and they just got these brand-new bathrooms, 102 00:06:04,755 --> 00:06:06,670 and it ended up being a really big whodunit. 103 00:06:06,844 --> 00:06:09,020 They closed the whole school down. And to this day, 104 00:06:09,194 --> 00:06:11,153 I don't think they still know who did it. That was kind of like 105 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:14,374 my very first mischievous thing that I can think that I did. 106 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:17,855 His room was right next to mine, and he would always be 107 00:06:18,029 --> 00:06:20,510 in his room by himself, performing, 108 00:06:20,684 --> 00:06:22,556 and he'd have the radio on. 109 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:25,080 And he was listening to talk radio. 110 00:06:25,602 --> 00:06:28,083 And he's in there, doing his own commentary. 111 00:06:28,257 --> 00:06:29,998 And I would be listening. 112 00:06:30,172 --> 00:06:31,739 He would imitate Howard Cosell. 113 00:06:31,913 --> 00:06:34,306 Hello again, everyone. It's good to have you... 114 00:06:34,481 --> 00:06:36,918 He was always the star, though. "He'd score the touch-- 115 00:06:37,092 --> 00:06:39,311 - Oh, he's going down the field. There he goes." - Yes. 116 00:06:39,486 --> 00:06:41,662 - And it would always be him. - "Clem for them. Hail Mary." 117 00:06:41,836 --> 00:06:46,057 - Yeah. - But, you know, he always had his own, own shtick, 118 00:06:46,231 --> 00:06:47,407 and it was innate. 119 00:06:53,761 --> 00:06:57,329 And I was a, uh, uh, a bouncer at a club, 120 00:06:57,504 --> 00:06:59,462 and the club was called Jubilation. 121 00:06:59,984 --> 00:07:03,727 And they brought this local radio guy in named Kerry Gray. 122 00:07:03,901 --> 00:07:07,383 Well, I'm like, "Listen, buddy. Uh, I know who you are. 123 00:07:07,557 --> 00:07:11,213 And how hard is it to be on the radio anyway? I can do that." 124 00:07:11,779 --> 00:07:14,042 So, Kerry Gray said, "Well, you know what? 125 00:07:14,216 --> 00:07:17,175 Tomorrow is April Fool's Day." 126 00:07:17,349 --> 00:07:19,308 And he said, "We're gonna bring in common people 127 00:07:19,482 --> 00:07:23,225 off the, off the streets to be local radio personality. 128 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:25,575 Why don't you come in on my show?" 129 00:07:25,749 --> 00:07:28,448 So, I went in there and I'm watching how all this is operating. 130 00:07:28,622 --> 00:07:30,841 And his phone lines are going crazy. 131 00:07:31,015 --> 00:07:34,976 Here's this fucking nerd that has got all these chicks calling him up. 132 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:36,717 And so I started hanging out with Kerry 133 00:07:36,891 --> 00:07:39,546 and I eventually got to do overnights, 134 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,287 like 2:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. 135 00:07:42,462 --> 00:07:43,898 I remember calling my mom up and saying, 136 00:07:44,072 --> 00:07:46,727 "Mom, I can't make Christmas this year." 137 00:07:46,901 --> 00:07:48,946 She's like, "What do you mean you can't fucking make Chr--" 138 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,340 I go, "'Cause I'm on the radio. I'm a--" 139 00:07:51,514 --> 00:07:53,995 My mom said, "Are you a fuckin' idiot?" 140 00:07:54,169 --> 00:07:57,477 He made the announcement. Sat everyone down and he said, 141 00:07:57,651 --> 00:08:00,871 "I wanna be the next Howard Stern." 142 00:08:01,045 --> 00:08:02,960 As I started to hang out with Kerry, we would go 143 00:08:03,134 --> 00:08:05,136 to all these fraternity parties and these sorority parties, 144 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:07,530 and a couple girls were talking to me. 145 00:08:08,792 --> 00:08:11,142 And so the next day on the air, and Kerry was like, 146 00:08:11,316 --> 00:08:13,710 you know, "103 PFR." Uh, "'Scary' Kerry Gray. 147 00:08:13,884 --> 00:08:15,407 I saw Bubba with some chicks, 148 00:08:15,582 --> 00:08:17,714 and he was soaking up love like a sponge. 149 00:08:17,888 --> 00:08:19,716 I'm gonna start calling him Bubba the Love Sponge. 150 00:08:19,890 --> 00:08:21,849 Bubba the Love Sponge is coming up next." 151 00:08:22,023 --> 00:08:23,981 And I remember he turned the microphone off. 152 00:08:24,155 --> 00:08:27,289 I said, "Don't you ever fucking call me that name again." 153 00:08:27,463 --> 00:08:29,987 "Oh." He was just like, "It's just funny, Bubba the Love Sponge. 154 00:08:30,161 --> 00:08:33,251 You're just soaking up love." I said, "Shut the fuck up. Don't ever call me that again." 155 00:08:33,425 --> 00:08:36,603 "Bubba the Love Sponge. Bubba the Love Sponge. Bubba the Love Sponge." 156 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:38,518 Thank you. 157 00:08:43,218 --> 00:08:46,569 You know, my early, my early year or two in radio 158 00:08:46,743 --> 00:08:49,050 wasn't really that spectacular. 159 00:08:49,224 --> 00:08:50,878 I was just jockeying records 160 00:08:51,052 --> 00:08:52,793 and, and doing intros for the most part. 161 00:08:52,967 --> 00:08:55,839 Not until I got an opportunity to go to Grand Rapids. 162 00:08:56,013 --> 00:08:59,713 Uh, and a guy sat me down. His name is Greg Cassidy. 163 00:08:59,887 --> 00:09:03,717 And he said-- I can remember we were at the McDonald's in downtown Grand Rapids, 164 00:09:03,891 --> 00:09:08,286 and he said, "Listen, I listened to you on the air, and you're real stiff. 165 00:09:08,460 --> 00:09:10,898 And that's not really you. Why don't you act 166 00:09:11,072 --> 00:09:13,857 like the way you act when we're out, going-- 167 00:09:14,031 --> 00:09:16,251 you know, hanging out with the boys, and you're cutting jokes, 168 00:09:16,425 --> 00:09:19,036 and you're making fun of people, and you're cutting on your boys. 169 00:09:19,210 --> 00:09:20,603 Why don't you act that way?" 170 00:09:20,777 --> 00:09:22,953 And I'm like, "Are you sure you want that? 171 00:09:23,127 --> 00:09:25,477 I mean, are you really sure that that's what you want? 172 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:28,219 'Cause I'd love to do that instead of this bullshit." 173 00:09:28,393 --> 00:09:29,873 And he's like, "Just let it rip." 174 00:09:30,047 --> 00:09:31,658 So, that night, man, I'm like, you know-- 175 00:09:31,832 --> 00:09:33,790 That's when I started kind of lettin' it rip. 176 00:09:36,314 --> 00:09:38,969 He calls himself Bubba the Love Sponge, 177 00:09:39,143 --> 00:09:43,278 and he pushes all the legal limits nightly on Power 93. 178 00:09:43,452 --> 00:09:47,021 He's simply disgusting. Why? Because the things he says. 179 00:09:47,195 --> 00:09:48,936 I want her to hand you-- her panties to you 180 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:50,981 and I want you to sniff 'em live on the radio. 181 00:09:51,155 --> 00:09:54,550 Bubba was one of those guys that pushes the edges. 182 00:09:55,029 --> 00:09:58,423 Everything that I have learned in school about how to do a radio broadcast, 183 00:09:58,598 --> 00:10:01,252 he's breaking every fucking rule. 184 00:10:01,905 --> 00:10:03,733 Bubba was an incredible talent. 185 00:10:03,907 --> 00:10:05,866 Uh, you know, listening to him on the air, you could tell 186 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,001 that he had a real strong command of the art form of being on air. 187 00:10:11,175 --> 00:10:13,787 And, uh, he had the ability to, 188 00:10:13,961 --> 00:10:17,921 you know, really work the guests and, and know how to steer 'em 189 00:10:18,095 --> 00:10:20,794 in the direction that he wanted them to go in to get, 190 00:10:20,968 --> 00:10:22,578 you know, the most entertaining 191 00:10:22,752 --> 00:10:25,363 or the most engaging conversation out of them. 192 00:10:25,537 --> 00:10:29,716 Everybody in town would listen with bated breath in the morning 193 00:10:29,890 --> 00:10:32,370 for what he would say or what he pontificated about. 194 00:10:32,544 --> 00:10:34,242 Wish you guys a happy No Panties Thursday. 195 00:10:34,416 --> 00:10:36,592 Five women just called us about 15 minutes ago, 196 00:10:36,766 --> 00:10:38,899 said, uh, "Bubba the Love Sponge, we don't have our panties on. 197 00:10:39,073 --> 00:10:40,291 We're sitting here, getting buff muff." 198 00:10:40,465 --> 00:10:43,077 At his heart, he's a toxic personality. 199 00:10:43,251 --> 00:10:44,687 It, it would encourage people to be bullies. 200 00:10:44,861 --> 00:10:46,428 It would encourage people to be sexist 201 00:10:46,602 --> 00:10:48,648 and to have these sort of simplistic views. 202 00:10:48,822 --> 00:10:51,128 His voice is annoying, his whole demeanor is annoying. 203 00:10:51,302 --> 00:10:54,262 - Just negative vibes. - But you listen to Bubba the Love Sponge, 204 00:10:54,436 --> 00:10:57,874 the old man on the radio that's got the b**** to really say it like it is. 205 00:10:58,048 --> 00:11:00,660 I'm talking No Panties Thursday. I'm talking lesbians. 206 00:11:00,834 --> 00:11:03,140 I'm talking limos, 1900 numbers. 207 00:11:03,314 --> 00:11:05,577 I'm talking lesbians like... 208 00:11:05,752 --> 00:11:08,232 A guy named Marc Chase calls me. And there's a radio station 209 00:11:08,406 --> 00:11:10,408 in Tampa, Florida called The Power Pig. 210 00:11:10,582 --> 00:11:13,934 "Hey, dude, it's Marc Chase from Tampa, Florida. Power Pig." 211 00:11:14,108 --> 00:11:18,155 I go, "Yeah." He goes, "Man, we need a fucking crazy guy like you at night." 212 00:11:18,329 --> 00:11:20,418 I quickly established myself 213 00:11:20,592 --> 00:11:23,291 as the, as the star of the radio station. 214 00:11:23,465 --> 00:11:26,468 Like, for instance, Brent Hatley will tell you that I love stories 215 00:11:26,642 --> 00:11:29,384 about teachers that are hooking up with their kids. 216 00:11:29,558 --> 00:11:33,214 Not the guys hooking up with the, the female students, but the vice versas. 217 00:11:33,388 --> 00:11:37,305 I think that's pretty hot. I like sports, I like strippers. 218 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:41,135 Something that I can have a very polarizing opinion about 219 00:11:41,309 --> 00:11:43,050 and really get people churned up. 220 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:44,704 Bubba admits to being fired 221 00:11:44,878 --> 00:11:48,011 from four radio stations for outrageous behavior. 222 00:11:48,185 --> 00:11:50,971 But keep in mind, he's number one at night. 223 00:11:51,145 --> 00:11:53,321 The bottom line is, is that I have a 15-one share 224 00:11:53,495 --> 00:11:55,715 of the market and, uh, you know, it-- 225 00:11:55,889 --> 00:11:58,326 I don't think the advertisers are buying what I say, and my views. 226 00:11:58,500 --> 00:12:01,111 They're buying the people that are listening to my show. 227 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:05,507 In Tampa in the early '90s, if you would ask a soccer mom 228 00:12:05,681 --> 00:12:09,119 what they thought about Bubba, they'd probably equate him to the Devil. 229 00:12:09,293 --> 00:12:11,818 Maybe Hugh Hefner, but maybe ten times worse. 230 00:12:11,992 --> 00:12:14,690 Why do kids love him and parents hate him? 231 00:12:14,864 --> 00:12:17,998 Stop by your kid's room between 7:00 and 11:00 p.m. 232 00:12:18,172 --> 00:12:20,130 You may find out. 233 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:22,916 This is BRN, the Bubba Radio Network. 234 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:24,308 What? 235 00:12:24,482 --> 00:12:25,657 7:06, the new sound of The Pig, 236 00:12:25,832 --> 00:12:27,442 BTLS, Bubba the Love Sponge. 237 00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:29,966 Go ahead, uh, ma'am. 238 00:12:30,140 --> 00:12:32,099 Um, I really like your station, but I think that, 239 00:12:32,273 --> 00:12:35,189 um, the foul language, you need to cut out on that 240 00:12:35,363 --> 00:12:38,845 until, like, ten o'clock, because I have two young kids, 241 00:12:39,019 --> 00:12:41,673 and I like to listen to the station, and all you say is 242 00:12:41,848 --> 00:12:44,067 s***, a******, bitch. 243 00:12:44,241 --> 00:12:46,766 We don't say those words. Only you're sayin' 'em. 244 00:12:47,288 --> 00:12:49,159 We're, we're gonna see if we can have them donate the panties, 245 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:50,770 and we can put them on our microphones so we can talk 246 00:12:50,944 --> 00:12:52,467 through them all night long. 247 00:12:52,641 --> 00:12:54,730 Little, little soiled panties on the microphone. 248 00:12:54,904 --> 00:12:56,123 God, I love that. 249 00:12:56,297 --> 00:12:58,952 Whether you love him or hate him, 250 00:12:59,126 --> 00:13:02,825 Bubba was one of the best broadcasters of all time. 251 00:13:02,999 --> 00:13:05,872 But since joining The Power Pig in the fall of '92, 252 00:13:06,046 --> 00:13:07,699 he's picked up more than that. 253 00:13:07,874 --> 00:13:09,832 His ratings have been phenomenal, 254 00:13:10,006 --> 00:13:13,357 making him the most listened to radio personality in the Bay Area 255 00:13:13,531 --> 00:13:15,533 and the most controversial. 256 00:13:15,707 --> 00:13:17,100 You-- You're wearing, you're wearing panties now, 257 00:13:17,274 --> 00:13:18,885 - but you'll take them off for me? - Yes. 258 00:13:19,059 --> 00:13:19,973 In observance of No Panties Thursday? 259 00:13:20,147 --> 00:13:21,931 - Yes. - Cool. Let's go. 260 00:13:22,105 --> 00:13:24,891 ♪ Break it down Break it down, break it down ♪ 261 00:13:25,892 --> 00:13:27,284 The first panties of the evening usually go on the head. 262 00:13:27,458 --> 00:13:28,851 Now, we'll go to the head first. 263 00:13:30,897 --> 00:13:33,334 Next ones go up on the... Excellent. 264 00:13:33,987 --> 00:13:36,685 Damn, dawg, them are some nice panties too. I ain't lying. 265 00:13:36,859 --> 00:13:40,515 His style, between the gangsta rap and the top 40 dance tunes, 266 00:13:40,689 --> 00:13:44,301 Bubba dishes out a steady diet of raunch and outrageous humor, 267 00:13:44,475 --> 00:13:46,695 usually at his callers' expense. 268 00:13:47,304 --> 00:13:52,309 He, you know, was very edgy, and he had a very good way 269 00:13:52,483 --> 00:13:57,445 about being edgy and compelling at the same time. 270 00:13:57,619 --> 00:14:00,883 - Power Pig. Hello? - He's on trial with furious parents 271 00:14:01,057 --> 00:14:04,626 like Lydia Duncan, who no longer allows her young teenage daughter 272 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,934 - to listen to Bubba's show. - He has no teenage kids, 273 00:14:08,108 --> 00:14:12,286 and I hope to God I'm around to see him when he's got a 14-year-old little girl 274 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:14,810 that wants to do some of the nasty stuff that he has tried 275 00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:16,986 to talk these kids into on the radio. 276 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,075 He's on trial with women's groups 277 00:14:19,249 --> 00:14:21,077 who say he's foul-mouthed and sexist. 278 00:14:21,251 --> 00:14:23,384 Uh, he's got a very destructive behavior. 279 00:14:23,558 --> 00:14:26,387 It's, um, it, it, it's violence against women. 280 00:14:26,561 --> 00:14:29,390 And he, uh, tears at us, at our dignity. 281 00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:31,609 And he's on trial with the American... 282 00:14:31,783 --> 00:14:36,092 He is the... probably one of the most talented 283 00:14:36,266 --> 00:14:39,008 radio guys in the history of radio. 284 00:14:39,182 --> 00:14:41,445 He knows content. He knows entertainment. 285 00:14:41,619 --> 00:14:43,883 He knows how to piss you the frick off. 286 00:14:44,057 --> 00:14:45,623 He knows how to make you feel good. 287 00:14:45,797 --> 00:14:47,277 He keeps you on your toes. 288 00:14:47,451 --> 00:14:49,889 You'll never get bored. Never get bored. 289 00:14:56,852 --> 00:14:58,071 So, I met Mike Calta 290 00:14:58,245 --> 00:15:00,551 in, like, 1993, '94. 291 00:15:00,725 --> 00:15:03,641 I was doing nights in The Power Pig, and he was this, uh, 292 00:15:03,815 --> 00:15:06,993 promotional guy that hung banners at, you know, various remotes and things. 293 00:15:07,167 --> 00:15:09,996 And, uh, big kid, bit hea-- big head. 294 00:15:10,170 --> 00:15:13,129 So, I, I brought in him to, you know, 295 00:15:13,303 --> 00:15:15,001 just kind of be my schlep boy. 296 00:15:15,175 --> 00:15:16,567 And I called him "Cowhead." He-- 297 00:15:16,741 --> 00:15:18,569 'Cause his fucking head's ginormous. 298 00:15:18,743 --> 00:15:21,268 That kind of transition into when Clear Channel, 299 00:15:21,442 --> 00:15:23,270 Clear-- iHeart, Clear Channel, Jacor, 300 00:15:23,444 --> 00:15:26,795 when they bought 98Rock and transferred me 301 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:29,754 from night times to morning drive, 302 00:15:29,929 --> 00:15:32,757 I brought "Cowhead" Mike Calta with me 303 00:15:32,932 --> 00:15:37,153 to be a, a producer/co-host. Quickly thereafter-- 304 00:15:37,327 --> 00:15:39,416 That happened in December of '96. 305 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:42,463 And, and, uh-- oh, this is while we're-- 306 00:15:42,637 --> 00:15:45,248 I'm doing, doing mornings now at 98Rock. 307 00:15:45,422 --> 00:15:48,164 He's an executive producer. He's, in my opinion, 308 00:15:48,338 --> 00:15:50,427 not doing the things that I want him to do 309 00:15:50,601 --> 00:15:52,603 to prepare me for the show. 310 00:15:52,777 --> 00:15:56,259 And at this time, uh, about 1999, 311 00:15:56,433 --> 00:16:00,350 I'd met Brent, uh, who was, uh, doing promotions 312 00:16:00,524 --> 00:16:03,527 for the classic rock station in our same building. 313 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:06,878 I didn't have the discipline to go to college, 314 00:16:07,053 --> 00:16:08,968 and I ended up going to the Marine Corps in 1989. 315 00:16:09,142 --> 00:16:11,753 I served in the first Gulf War, which was Desert Shield, 316 00:16:11,927 --> 00:16:13,929 and Desert Storm. Came back to the United States. 317 00:16:14,103 --> 00:16:15,887 I was stationed in Southern California. 318 00:16:16,062 --> 00:16:20,327 I started going to school at night for pre-law. 319 00:16:20,849 --> 00:16:23,983 Howard Stern comes on the radio in July 1991. 320 00:16:24,461 --> 00:16:26,202 The career, uh, planner comes to me and says, 321 00:16:26,376 --> 00:16:27,987 "Hey, are you ready to re-enlist in the Marine Corps?" 322 00:16:28,161 --> 00:16:29,989 I was like, "No, I'm going to go do radio, 323 00:16:30,163 --> 00:16:31,729 and I'm gonna go get paid 324 00:16:31,903 --> 00:16:33,688 to look at hot chicks and talk about sex." 325 00:16:33,862 --> 00:16:37,692 I come back home to Florida in 1993, and everybody tells me, 326 00:16:37,866 --> 00:16:40,347 "You gotta listen to this guy, Bubba the Love Sponge." 327 00:16:40,521 --> 00:16:42,218 I was like, "Man, that fucking name sounds weird." 328 00:16:42,392 --> 00:16:45,439 $400 for 100 extra shots. 329 00:16:45,613 --> 00:16:47,615 $400. 330 00:16:47,789 --> 00:16:49,834 Fuck! 331 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:52,272 They were like, "No, he's nuts." I'm like, "I'm a Howard Stern fan." 332 00:16:52,446 --> 00:16:54,317 Like, "How is he better than Howard Stern?" 333 00:16:54,491 --> 00:16:56,711 - I turn him on. - It is really rude. 334 00:16:56,885 --> 00:16:58,800 And it's beating up on people too. 335 00:16:58,974 --> 00:17:00,367 If you don't like what I do, don't listen. 336 00:17:00,541 --> 00:17:01,803 But I like the music. 337 00:17:01,977 --> 00:17:03,892 Well, go buy some CDs. 338 00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:05,633 During the two weeks we worked with him, 339 00:17:05,807 --> 00:17:07,983 he put in a host of personal appearances, 340 00:17:08,157 --> 00:17:10,986 whacked off his mane of hair, and nearly killed himself 341 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,249 after heaving his 300-pound body 342 00:17:13,423 --> 00:17:15,773 out of an airplane in a skydiving stunt. 343 00:17:15,947 --> 00:17:18,428 ♪ I'm true to the game It's the bottom line ♪ 344 00:17:18,602 --> 00:17:21,518 ♪ It's Bubba, bitch And I'm out to get mine ♪ 345 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:23,346 And that's what Bubba does. He gets ratings. 346 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,044 And, and it's not-- I mean, we're, 347 00:17:25,218 --> 00:17:26,915 we're not here to be a babysitter for-- 348 00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:29,048 I mean, parents have that responsibility. 349 00:17:29,222 --> 00:17:32,573 But I can't stop listening 'cause this guy is shot out of a cannon. 350 00:17:32,747 --> 00:17:34,575 Out of control. 351 00:17:35,141 --> 00:17:37,491 Well, he was, he was working for this guy named Ron Diaz. 352 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:39,623 Ron Diaz is this huge legend in town, 353 00:17:39,797 --> 00:17:43,149 and they decided to him on in mornings, uh, on 103.5, 354 00:17:43,323 --> 00:17:45,673 and they asked Brent to be his executive producer. 355 00:17:45,847 --> 00:17:48,763 But Ron played a lot of music and stuff, and it, it wasn't really 356 00:17:48,937 --> 00:17:52,114 a lot to do as an EP then. But I had my eye on this kid. 357 00:17:52,288 --> 00:17:55,335 So, the vibe I got with Brent was we just clicked better. 358 00:17:55,509 --> 00:17:59,034 It felt as if he might fit in better on the show. 359 00:17:59,556 --> 00:18:01,558 Uh, so I went to Management 360 00:18:01,732 --> 00:18:03,038 and asked if I could make a change. 361 00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:05,301 So, in April 2000, I made that change. 362 00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:09,958 Uh, fi-- fired, uh, Mi-- Calta and hired Brent. 363 00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:12,743 So, I became the assistant promotions director at 98Rock 364 00:18:12,917 --> 00:18:15,485 and started working my way up in the radio business. 365 00:18:20,011 --> 00:18:22,231 Matt Loyd, uh, joined Bubba 366 00:18:22,405 --> 00:18:24,277 as an intern when he was 19 years old. 367 00:18:24,451 --> 00:18:26,279 My relationship with Spice Boy started out 368 00:18:26,453 --> 00:18:29,282 as he, you know, was a drop-- a high school dropout. 369 00:18:29,456 --> 00:18:32,894 And I kind of saved him, or the show kind of saved him from being-- 370 00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:35,462 I don't know, maybe giving him some purpose in life or... 371 00:18:35,636 --> 00:18:38,117 I loved the kid. I never had a problem with him. 372 00:18:38,291 --> 00:18:39,596 Never did I have a problem with him. 373 00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:40,815 They called him Spice Boy 374 00:18:40,989 --> 00:18:42,469 'cause the Spice Girls were, 375 00:18:42,643 --> 00:18:44,558 were, uh, popular back then. 376 00:18:44,732 --> 00:18:47,561 And, um, he was a really young-looking guy 377 00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:50,303 that a lot of the young girls that liked the show liked him. 378 00:18:50,477 --> 00:18:54,133 So, he was called Spice Boy, and he kind of filled that role 379 00:18:54,307 --> 00:18:56,222 of a good-looking idiot on the show. 380 00:18:56,396 --> 00:18:58,702 And he's a guy that would come in 381 00:18:58,876 --> 00:19:00,835 and basically do anything. 382 00:19:01,009 --> 00:19:03,403 Like, that's kinda how he made his name on the air. 383 00:19:03,577 --> 00:19:06,449 He'd come-- Anything Bubba needed him to do on air, he would do it. 384 00:19:06,623 --> 00:19:10,192 You know, he would do stunts, and he got his penis pierced. 385 00:19:10,366 --> 00:19:13,326 I mean, like, anything he wanted to do. Bubba wanted him to do, he would do it. 386 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,763 And he was like my little brother or my son. 387 00:19:15,937 --> 00:19:20,811 I have very many instances of on the air where Spice Boy admits 388 00:19:20,985 --> 00:19:24,250 that I was of-- a more of a father-like figure to him than his real father. 389 00:19:24,424 --> 00:19:27,253 He worked really hard on the show. He really did, and he put in a lot of hours. 390 00:19:27,427 --> 00:19:31,779 So, um, when-- Even when Cow-- He worked there when Cowhead 391 00:19:31,953 --> 00:19:35,609 was the executive producer. And, and Calta was the executive producer, 392 00:19:35,783 --> 00:19:39,047 but Spice would do the, the majority of the work. 393 00:19:39,221 --> 00:19:42,224 I absolutely loved that guy. 394 00:19:49,666 --> 00:19:54,280 In April 2000, I joined Bubba's show full time as a full-time show member. 395 00:19:54,454 --> 00:19:59,459 Bubba is amazing when it comes to finding talent, 396 00:19:59,633 --> 00:20:03,332 and if they, they don't have the chops, he is able to teach them 397 00:20:03,506 --> 00:20:07,162 and, and get them to that point where they can be professionals. 398 00:20:07,336 --> 00:20:09,077 Everybody at the radio station becomes a character 399 00:20:09,251 --> 00:20:11,427 on theBubba Show. The salespeople. 400 00:20:11,601 --> 00:20:14,256 I make stars out of people right off the street. 401 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:18,347 Brent, Manson, you know, 25, Spice Boy. 402 00:20:18,521 --> 00:20:21,611 I absolutely love it here. I mean, this has gotta be the best show to work for. 403 00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:25,006 - We always have the sex... - The limits were never established with us. 404 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:30,533 You know, in fact, you know, Bubba really was doing crazy stunts like Jackass. 405 00:20:30,707 --> 00:20:32,361 Well, in front ofJackass. 406 00:20:32,535 --> 00:20:34,929 Jackass, you know, started in 2000, 407 00:20:35,103 --> 00:20:38,672 and Bubba was doing those crazy antics in the '90s. 408 00:20:38,846 --> 00:20:40,891 And the same thing with Girls Gone Wild. 409 00:20:41,065 --> 00:20:44,895 Girls Gone Wild didn't really become popular until the late '90s. 410 00:20:45,069 --> 00:20:47,071 Bubba was doing No Panties Thursdays 411 00:20:47,246 --> 00:20:49,552 and, you know, 12 Boobs of Christmas, 412 00:20:49,726 --> 00:20:53,469 and all these crazy, you know, Girls Gone Wildtype antics. 413 00:20:53,643 --> 00:20:57,386 So, you know, Bubba was Girls Gone Wild before Girls Gone Wild 414 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,084 and he was Jackass before Jackass. 415 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,652 The ratings would come out and I'd be like, 416 00:21:02,826 --> 00:21:05,568 "Am I number one?" They're like, "Listen, until you hear from us, 417 00:21:05,742 --> 00:21:08,354 you're, you're number one, so don't fucking worry about it. 418 00:21:08,528 --> 00:21:09,703 In fact, turn it up." 419 00:21:14,708 --> 00:21:16,449 All right, here it is. 420 00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:19,452 Let go. Let go, now. Let go, now. 421 00:21:19,626 --> 00:21:20,496 Now. Let go. 422 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:27,198 Oh! 423 00:21:32,073 --> 00:21:34,031 After, after you do time in jail, you're-- 424 00:21:34,205 --> 00:21:36,512 - Fuck out of my-- - ...asshole. 425 00:21:41,125 --> 00:21:42,736 Oh, it's on! It's on! 426 00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:44,564 Oh! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! 427 00:21:48,742 --> 00:21:51,788 ♪ I ain't got much But that's the way it goes I'm a failure ♪ 428 00:21:51,962 --> 00:21:55,488 ♪ Yeah, maybe So I just live my life now You call it a trend ♪ 429 00:21:55,662 --> 00:21:57,490 ♪ But I'ma stay this way Till the very end ♪ 430 00:21:57,664 --> 00:21:59,883 ♪ White trash That'd be the life for me ♪ 431 00:22:00,057 --> 00:22:02,059 ♪ White trash That's all I'll ever be ♪ 432 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,366 ♪ White trash That'd be the life for me ♪ 433 00:22:04,540 --> 00:22:07,021 ♪ White trash That's all I'll ever be ♪ 434 00:22:07,195 --> 00:22:09,284 - ♪ White trash ♪ - ♪ It's the white trasher House party crasher ♪ 435 00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:11,286 ♪ Y'all don't wanna Mess with me ♪ 436 00:22:11,460 --> 00:22:13,723 ♪ I'm pulling up to the party On a gray ten speed ♪ 437 00:22:13,897 --> 00:22:16,900 - ♪ Saying, "What up, dawg? It's Big B"... ♪ - ♪ Oh-ooh ♪ 438 00:22:17,074 --> 00:22:18,859 We were number one by far. 439 00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:21,470 We made it sound like partying in Tampa 440 00:22:21,644 --> 00:22:23,733 was the fucking coolest thing you could ever do. 441 00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:26,040 Like, Bubba owned a nightclub in Ybor City, 442 00:22:26,214 --> 00:22:28,216 and we'd be hanging out there on Saturday nights. 443 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:30,784 The community loved us. The ratings reflected it. 444 00:22:30,958 --> 00:22:32,307 ♪ White trash ♪ 445 00:22:36,267 --> 00:22:37,791 He's out! He's out! 446 00:22:37,965 --> 00:22:40,924 He just banged his head on the ground. 447 00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:44,014 And because of all that fun, 448 00:22:44,188 --> 00:22:46,582 when it came time to help somebody in the community, 449 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:48,367 when we said, "Hey, like, this is a serious thing 450 00:22:48,541 --> 00:22:50,325 that we need to take seriously in our community," 451 00:22:50,499 --> 00:22:51,631 the fans got behind us. 452 00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,850 I had never, like, seen anybody 453 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:56,810 do that type of, uh, fundraising 454 00:22:56,984 --> 00:22:59,378 that he did for the fallen officers. 455 00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:01,989 I've had donations from as far as the Netherlands, 456 00:23:02,163 --> 00:23:03,730 um, Anchorage, Alaska, 457 00:23:03,904 --> 00:23:06,646 all six of my Florida-based terrestrial stations, 458 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:10,171 and then, uh, my nationally syndicated show on SiriusXM. 459 00:23:10,345 --> 00:23:12,739 Hundreds and hundreds of people have come forward 460 00:23:12,913 --> 00:23:15,045 to help during this tragic event. 461 00:23:15,219 --> 00:23:20,529 Sara Kocab and Kelly Curtis received $26,500 each. 462 00:23:20,703 --> 00:23:23,097 Their smiles spoke volumes. 463 00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:26,883 Their hugs full of emotion and appreciation. 464 00:23:27,057 --> 00:23:31,888 Bubba wanted to always personally hand that check to the widow. 465 00:23:32,062 --> 00:23:34,195 The Bubba Army is really intense. 466 00:23:34,369 --> 00:23:36,066 It gets to be a bit much. 467 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,199 Whenever you went somewhere, they would support you. 468 00:23:38,373 --> 00:23:40,810 Incredibly loyal. 469 00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:43,422 He's been such a force in this area, 470 00:23:43,596 --> 00:23:45,162 not only in radio, but across the board 471 00:23:45,336 --> 00:23:47,991 as far as charity work and things he's done here. 472 00:23:48,165 --> 00:23:50,298 Bubba is such a nice, gregarious type of guy. 473 00:23:50,472 --> 00:23:52,474 Like, he would have fans to his house. 474 00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:56,826 You know, I always wa-- was trying to think of that little guy 475 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,221 from Indiana, the common guy, and I give him a voice 476 00:24:00,395 --> 00:24:03,529 or stick up for him because nobody sticks up for them. 477 00:24:03,703 --> 00:24:05,835 I've always been labeled the People's Hammer. 478 00:24:06,009 --> 00:24:08,664 I got this idea from a sheriff, and he would go 479 00:24:08,838 --> 00:24:14,191 and put these signs in these bad guys' lawns during Halloween 480 00:24:14,365 --> 00:24:16,455 so that the kids wouldn't go trick or treat there. 481 00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:18,326 - You want to do something? - What gives you the fucking right? Huh? 482 00:24:18,500 --> 00:24:20,197 You know why? Because you touch kids, buddy. 483 00:24:20,371 --> 00:24:22,939 I probably do stuff like that 484 00:24:23,113 --> 00:24:24,985 that the average guy doesn't do, 485 00:24:25,159 --> 00:24:27,291 but the average guy wishes he could do. 486 00:24:28,205 --> 00:24:32,209 Bubba is very sensitive and respects the law. 487 00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:33,820 Respects truth. 488 00:24:34,429 --> 00:24:36,039 Uh, when he's on to something, 489 00:24:36,213 --> 00:24:39,347 he's not going to, to, to give you a song and dance. 490 00:24:39,521 --> 00:24:41,001 He's not gonna give you a bullshit story. 491 00:24:41,175 --> 00:24:42,916 Sometimes you don't wanna hear the truth. 492 00:24:43,090 --> 00:24:44,874 The truth hurts sometimes. 493 00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:48,269 But doing that type of fight for information 494 00:24:48,443 --> 00:24:50,053 and for the people and for public knowledge, 495 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:52,316 and to tell the truth, what more do you want? 496 00:24:56,016 --> 00:25:00,368 He would often make the thing that he asked the Army 497 00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,283 to get engaged in or look at, 498 00:25:02,457 --> 00:25:04,807 number one or number two on Google search. 499 00:25:04,981 --> 00:25:08,245 It really was amazing at the time, 500 00:25:08,419 --> 00:25:09,682 the power and the reach 501 00:25:09,856 --> 00:25:11,597 that Bubba had with the Bubba Army. 502 00:25:12,467 --> 00:25:14,948 Bubba was constantly getting in trouble. 503 00:25:15,122 --> 00:25:17,907 The biggest antagonist in Bubba's life 504 00:25:18,081 --> 00:25:20,083 is, uh, Bubba himself. 505 00:25:20,257 --> 00:25:22,912 He sometimes didn't think law applied to him. 506 00:25:23,086 --> 00:25:26,133 Bubba admits to being fired from four radio stations 507 00:25:26,307 --> 00:25:28,396 for outrageous behavior. 508 00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:30,877 People are very love him or hate him, 509 00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:33,270 and it's very an intense emotion. 510 00:25:33,444 --> 00:25:35,011 Oh, Okay. 511 00:25:35,185 --> 00:25:37,100 Give me that tape. Give me that tape! 512 00:25:37,274 --> 00:25:40,277 At his heart, he's a toxic personality. 513 00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:43,977 And a lot of that stuff would come out in the radio bits that he would do, 514 00:25:44,151 --> 00:25:47,415 and it would encourage and validate 515 00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:50,418 that kind of behavior for his fans and his listeners. 516 00:25:50,592 --> 00:25:53,247 He gets involved in things that he shouldn't get involved in. 517 00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:55,292 He was never afraid to pick fights 518 00:25:55,466 --> 00:25:58,774 with local politicians, with local people in power. 519 00:25:58,948 --> 00:26:01,429 Mark Ober, the state attorney at the time, 520 00:26:01,603 --> 00:26:05,041 had a real hard-on for, for Bubba. 521 00:26:05,215 --> 00:26:06,565 He, he just hated him. 522 00:26:06,739 --> 00:26:08,436 Bubba had provoked him by challenging him 523 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:10,177 on, on various cases 524 00:26:10,351 --> 00:26:12,919 that he was prosecuting or not prosecuting, 525 00:26:13,093 --> 00:26:14,485 and made fun of him. 526 00:26:15,051 --> 00:26:16,575 He went after Bubba hard. 527 00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:22,058 I am really the only guy in Tampa over the years 528 00:26:22,232 --> 00:26:23,756 that would hold any, uh, politician 529 00:26:23,930 --> 00:26:25,279 or anybody accountable. 530 00:26:27,542 --> 00:26:29,718 He had no fear challenging power, 531 00:26:29,892 --> 00:26:31,328 and he challenged Mark Ober. 532 00:26:31,502 --> 00:26:34,157 And Mark Ober made it his personal mission 533 00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:36,769 to destroy Bubba and anyone in his circle. 534 00:26:36,943 --> 00:26:40,250 Most of the damage that he did on the decisions that he made, 535 00:26:40,424 --> 00:26:42,252 it affected him the most. 536 00:26:42,905 --> 00:26:44,864 If you go back to the history of time... 537 00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:48,258 And I don't care if we're going back to Pontius Pilate, 538 00:26:48,432 --> 00:26:51,044 I don't care if we go back to Elizabeth in England. 539 00:26:51,218 --> 00:26:56,353 Any time you're in a position that's not in power... 540 00:26:57,441 --> 00:27:01,271 ...you run the risk-- when you start shooting at the king, 541 00:27:01,445 --> 00:27:02,533 you better kill him. 542 00:27:12,413 --> 00:27:14,807 So, he thought it would be funny, and I, I agree, 543 00:27:14,981 --> 00:27:17,418 to have people scrape up roadkill. 544 00:27:17,592 --> 00:27:20,203 And bring them in, and we were gonna, you know, barbecue them up 545 00:27:20,377 --> 00:27:22,031 - and make people eat 'em. - And, and put it on the grill, 546 00:27:22,205 --> 00:27:24,294 and we'll give you Marilyn Manson tickets. 547 00:27:24,468 --> 00:27:27,297 It was a segment known as The Roadkill Barbecue. 548 00:27:27,471 --> 00:27:30,126 A listener brought the pig to the radio station parking lot. 549 00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:34,087 It was held down, castrated, and then its throat was slit. 550 00:27:34,261 --> 00:27:36,263 Animal rights activists are outraged. 551 00:27:36,437 --> 00:27:39,353 The "what the fuck" moments with Bubba were often. 552 00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:42,008 He's just digging up more things to argue about. 553 00:27:42,182 --> 00:27:43,879 I mean, if he's gonna cause this much trouble, 554 00:27:44,053 --> 00:27:45,446 maybe he shouldn't even be on the air. 555 00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:47,056 I cannot believe that there are people out there 556 00:27:47,230 --> 00:27:49,450 who would actually allow discussing 557 00:27:49,624 --> 00:27:51,757 things like this being aired on the radio. 558 00:27:51,931 --> 00:27:54,368 You know, there are just days you're like... 559 00:27:55,935 --> 00:28:00,026 "Why? Why? Why would you do this? 560 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,115 Are you fucking stupid?" 561 00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:04,552 On my sound effects button bar, 562 00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:07,381 it's the sound effects of pigs being fed. 563 00:28:07,555 --> 00:28:10,123 And they're mad as hell. They're going, like... 564 00:28:10,297 --> 00:28:12,647 We were piping that in as the hunter was gonna be 565 00:28:12,821 --> 00:28:14,649 like, "Okay, we're gonna kill Andy." 566 00:28:14,823 --> 00:28:17,652 The hog bleeds out. So, police officers show up. 567 00:28:17,826 --> 00:28:20,220 The sergeant talks to me and says, "Hey, what's going on here?" 568 00:28:20,394 --> 00:28:22,222 I, I tell him. He's like, "Okay." 569 00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:24,398 He reads the statute, I read it with him. 570 00:28:24,572 --> 00:28:26,574 He's like, "You're right. There's no violation of law here at all." 571 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:29,403 "No problem, Officer. Got it. In fact, how would you guys 572 00:28:29,577 --> 00:28:32,667 like to stay and have, uh, pork sandwiches with us for lunch?" 573 00:28:32,841 --> 00:28:35,496 "That sounds amazing." I get a call at home. 574 00:28:35,670 --> 00:28:37,759 "Listen, you got to turn yourself in by ten o'clock tonight 575 00:28:37,933 --> 00:28:40,414 at the Hillsborough County Jail." I'm like, "For what?" 576 00:28:40,893 --> 00:28:42,721 "Felony animal cruelty." 577 00:28:42,895 --> 00:28:44,200 We do the perp walk into the building. 578 00:28:44,374 --> 00:28:46,115 We go, go there at seven o'clock. 579 00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:47,769 It looks like the OJ trial. 580 00:28:47,943 --> 00:28:49,205 I'm like, "Oh, God, look at all this." 581 00:28:49,379 --> 00:28:50,946 Media got there at 6:15. 582 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,426 The reason we had to be there by ten 583 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,036 was so the eleven o'clock news 584 00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:55,908 would have the pictures of us going to jail. 585 00:28:56,082 --> 00:28:58,258 And that's what Mr. Ober intended. 586 00:28:58,432 --> 00:29:00,042 When it went across Mark Ober's office, 587 00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:01,957 he decided to prosecute me. 588 00:29:02,131 --> 00:29:04,133 I was, in my mind, thinking, 589 00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:07,484 "My son's not gonna go to prison over a pig." 590 00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:11,053 The State of Florida came to Clear Channel and said, 591 00:29:11,227 --> 00:29:13,795 "If you fire Bubba, this all goes away." 592 00:29:13,969 --> 00:29:15,449 I sat in that room 593 00:29:15,623 --> 00:29:17,451 and Mark Ober said, 594 00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:19,192 "Fire Bubba, 595 00:29:19,366 --> 00:29:21,150 or I'm coming after you guys criminally." 596 00:29:21,324 --> 00:29:23,718 He and I sat alone together, 597 00:29:23,892 --> 00:29:26,503 um, holding hands, and he said, 598 00:29:27,113 --> 00:29:30,420 "If I lose, they're taking me to jail today." 599 00:29:30,594 --> 00:29:33,510 I was sitting next to Bubba, and he had a toothbrush in his pocket, 600 00:29:33,684 --> 00:29:35,904 and he was prepared to go to prison. 601 00:29:36,078 --> 00:29:38,646 The hunter came in and testified and said that that pig 602 00:29:38,820 --> 00:29:42,345 was slaughtered exactly the way you slaughter a pig. 603 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:45,392 So, the jury, while they're served ham sandwiches, 604 00:29:45,566 --> 00:29:47,568 uh, over their deliberations, and they come back 605 00:29:47,742 --> 00:29:49,265 and they find us not guilty. 606 00:29:49,439 --> 00:29:51,267 Uh, all four of us, they find us not guilty. 607 00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:54,227 There have been so many injustices towards him, 608 00:29:54,401 --> 00:29:57,447 um, that you could make a movie out of. 609 00:29:57,621 --> 00:29:59,623 Uh, you know, the news media, they interview Mr. Ober. 610 00:29:59,798 --> 00:30:01,712 He says, "Oh, I'm not afraid of Bubba." 611 00:30:01,887 --> 00:30:04,150 I saw what power was trying to do to this man. 612 00:30:04,324 --> 00:30:07,980 Bubba pointing out faults and issues 613 00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:10,939 that he thought were real issues 614 00:30:11,113 --> 00:30:14,203 with facts that people would listen to 615 00:30:14,377 --> 00:30:17,816 was terrible for people like Mark Ober. It was a spotlight. 616 00:30:18,381 --> 00:30:20,644 So, when Bubba was doing that, 617 00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:22,385 that's what made Bubba great. 618 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,867 You know, Bubba's ability to be the hammer for the man, 619 00:30:26,041 --> 00:30:29,653 to be the guy that was gonna hold people accountable. 620 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:33,570 Bubba and I, to each other and on the radio, was like, 621 00:30:33,744 --> 00:30:35,790 "I don't care if it takes us to our last dying breath. 622 00:30:35,964 --> 00:30:38,358 We're gonna get this guy ousted, out of office. 623 00:30:38,532 --> 00:30:40,142 We are going to get him voted out." 624 00:30:47,628 --> 00:30:52,633 The FCC would impose their largest ever indecency fine against a broadcaster. 625 00:30:52,807 --> 00:30:57,812 And we got fined $755,000 for seven different things. 626 00:30:57,986 --> 00:31:00,423 Bubba the Love Sponge cost his employer, 627 00:31:00,597 --> 00:31:05,211 Clear Channel Communications, $755,000. 628 00:31:05,385 --> 00:31:08,344 That is the highest FCC fine ever, 629 00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:11,695 following a radio sketch featuring a couple of cartoon characters, 630 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:14,220 a crack house and some prostitutes. 631 00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:16,526 Clear Channel promptly fired Bubba. 632 00:31:16,700 --> 00:31:18,398 It was a big meltdown. 633 00:31:18,572 --> 00:31:22,532 Now, our agent, Tom Bean, because we got fined first, 634 00:31:22,706 --> 00:31:24,099 was telling us, "Just listen. 635 00:31:24,273 --> 00:31:26,319 Everything's gonna calm down. Just relax." 636 00:31:26,493 --> 00:31:28,147 There really wasn't any due process. 637 00:31:28,321 --> 00:31:30,323 There really wasn't any-- anything 638 00:31:30,497 --> 00:31:34,370 other than, uh, Clear Channel laid down. 639 00:31:34,544 --> 00:31:37,504 Uh, said, "We did it, and we'll get rid of the problem." 640 00:31:37,678 --> 00:31:39,854 But then the Super Bowl happened very shortly. 641 00:31:40,028 --> 00:31:41,987 I wanna say it was the week after we got fined. 642 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,077 The Super Bowl happened, where Janet Jack-- Jackson 643 00:31:45,251 --> 00:31:47,253 and Justin Timberlake do this whole performance, 644 00:31:47,427 --> 00:31:50,082 and, uh, Justin Timberlake rips off her costume 645 00:31:50,256 --> 00:31:53,041 and you see her exposed breast 646 00:31:53,215 --> 00:31:55,261 for 150 million people on the Super Bowl. 647 00:31:55,435 --> 00:31:57,306 And that was it, you know. You know, that was the point 648 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,266 where, you know, our agent, Tom Bean, was like, you know, 649 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,876 "You're kind of screwed now," 650 00:32:02,050 --> 00:32:04,487 because the whole country was upset. 651 00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:09,928 Nipplegate really cranked the FCC up even more, 652 00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:13,496 and there was a big push politically at the time 653 00:32:13,670 --> 00:32:17,022 for the FCC to crack down on broadcasters, 654 00:32:17,196 --> 00:32:19,807 on indecency in the public airwaves. 655 00:32:19,981 --> 00:32:22,723 This really shined a much bigger spotlight 656 00:32:22,897 --> 00:32:26,596 onto Bubba's $750,000 fine. 657 00:32:26,770 --> 00:32:29,773 I'm a 30-- 38-- soon-to-be 38-year-old man 658 00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:33,255 that is an entertainer. I, I do a adult-skewing, 659 00:32:33,429 --> 00:32:36,084 men-based show for 20 hours a week, 660 00:32:36,258 --> 00:32:39,000 and I don't have the, the luxury of having the visual effect. 661 00:32:39,174 --> 00:32:41,785 So, I have an audio effect, and some of it is smoke and mirrors 662 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,223 and some of it is sound effects. And, and sometimes 663 00:32:44,397 --> 00:32:47,748 there's a lot of hyperbole and parody, but it's not illegal. 664 00:32:47,922 --> 00:32:50,011 - Yeah. - Nah, it shouldn't be illegal in this country. 665 00:32:50,185 --> 00:32:52,144 Now, if it was rated X, it's illegal. 666 00:32:52,318 --> 00:32:54,059 My show is nothing more than rated R. 667 00:32:54,233 --> 00:32:55,712 You can go to any rated R theater. 668 00:32:55,886 --> 00:32:57,714 You can go to any rate-- You can watch anything on-- 669 00:32:57,888 --> 00:33:00,630 My show is Jackass with a little bit of South Park. 670 00:33:00,804 --> 00:33:02,545 That's what my show is. 671 00:33:02,719 --> 00:33:06,549 In fact, the FCC was talking about applying pressure 672 00:33:06,723 --> 00:33:10,814 to broadcasters to meet the FCC guidelines, 673 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:14,079 which, by the way, are ridiculous. 674 00:33:14,253 --> 00:33:17,517 They're completely uninterpretable. 675 00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:22,435 It's government guidelines that talk about community standards 676 00:33:22,609 --> 00:33:25,351 that are open-ended and ambiguous 677 00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:27,048 to try to understand. 678 00:33:27,222 --> 00:33:29,224 If you can understand 679 00:33:29,398 --> 00:33:32,401 what the FCC guidelines are, let me know. 680 00:33:32,575 --> 00:33:35,361 'Cause I don't know anyone that really understands 681 00:33:35,535 --> 00:33:37,580 what the FCC guidelines mean, 682 00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:39,017 including the FCC. 683 00:33:39,191 --> 00:33:40,322 It was surreal 684 00:33:40,496 --> 00:33:42,585 just watching the whole country 685 00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,023 melt down over jokes on the radio. 686 00:33:45,719 --> 00:33:49,940 I hope that subcommittee will, um, understand 687 00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:53,553 that the Bubbas of the world and the Howard Sterns of the world 688 00:33:53,727 --> 00:33:56,904 are the exception rather than the rule, 689 00:33:57,078 --> 00:34:00,777 and that, uh, they will no longer have a platform on our stations. 690 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:04,042 As an industry leader, I help... 691 00:34:04,216 --> 00:34:07,175 I hope to help lead the way in cleaning up our airwaves. 692 00:34:07,349 --> 00:34:10,135 It was a, it was a big snowball avalanche 693 00:34:10,309 --> 00:34:12,789 that just came down out of s-- out of nowhere. 694 00:34:12,963 --> 00:34:16,402 And we went from, you know, being the number one 695 00:34:16,576 --> 00:34:21,059 most listened to show in Tampa, syndicated all throughout America, 696 00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:23,539 to... fired. 697 00:34:23,713 --> 00:34:25,454 Now we have a term for it. "Canceled." 698 00:34:25,628 --> 00:34:28,675 Well, we were the originals getting canceled. 699 00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:31,982 That was the original cancel culture, was, uh, canceling shock jocks 700 00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:33,984 saying bad words on the radio. 701 00:34:39,251 --> 00:34:41,253 It was bad for two years. I mean, we were out of work. 702 00:34:41,427 --> 00:34:43,211 We were blacklisted for two years. 703 00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:45,344 I was scared. I had a kid. 704 00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:47,215 I-- you know, I just, I just had Tyler. 705 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:48,390 He was two. 706 00:34:48,999 --> 00:34:51,263 I had-- was living a lifestyle. 707 00:34:51,437 --> 00:34:53,743 I live in a big house and, you know, living the lifestyle 708 00:34:53,917 --> 00:34:55,310 of making a lot of money. 709 00:34:55,789 --> 00:34:57,486 Because we got fined and fired, 710 00:34:57,660 --> 00:35:00,707 that made Howard Stern pay close attention to us. 711 00:35:00,881 --> 00:35:03,013 Howard said, "I'd like to meet you guys." 712 00:35:03,188 --> 00:35:05,015 He goes, "We have a list of shows that we want to work with 713 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:08,584 on this channel, and you're the only name on that list." 714 00:35:08,758 --> 00:35:10,064 "Holy shit!" 715 00:35:10,238 --> 00:35:11,500 He called me at work 716 00:35:11,674 --> 00:35:13,894 and he said, "Are you sitting down?" 717 00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:16,940 He said, "I'm going to New York tomorrow 718 00:35:17,115 --> 00:35:18,551 to talk to Howard." 719 00:35:18,725 --> 00:35:20,727 And I said, "Wait. TheHoward?" 720 00:35:28,996 --> 00:35:30,867 Bubba joined Howard Stern on satellite radio 721 00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:32,652 and built a national following. 722 00:35:32,826 --> 00:35:35,437 And it was just the Wild West. 723 00:35:35,611 --> 00:35:38,266 Howard, uh, was the guy that decided 724 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,268 that he wanted Bubba on the channels. 725 00:35:40,442 --> 00:35:42,052 Tom, does your daughter really have kidney stones? 726 00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:43,619 Yes. She has kidney stones! 727 00:35:43,793 --> 00:35:45,969 Living by the rules of the FCC 728 00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:49,190 and then having those restrictions lifted, 729 00:35:49,364 --> 00:35:51,540 it was like breathing fresh air. 730 00:35:52,019 --> 00:35:54,152 You were able to do things that you never 731 00:35:54,326 --> 00:35:56,458 were able to do before. 732 00:35:56,632 --> 00:35:59,635 You know, we did some very controversial stunts. 733 00:36:01,246 --> 00:36:02,769 Hardcore stunts. 734 00:36:02,943 --> 00:36:04,597 Get them out of my fucking dick! 735 00:36:04,771 --> 00:36:06,468 Shit hits the fan. 736 00:36:06,642 --> 00:36:08,296 Did you get shit, did you get the shit on you? 737 00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:09,863 Pubic hair burrito. 738 00:36:15,695 --> 00:36:19,829 We would put, you know, 5000 fire ants on a man's testicles. 739 00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:21,962 As soon as we get an air seal tight, put them up in there good. 740 00:36:22,136 --> 00:36:24,704 Slide them in there. 741 00:36:24,878 --> 00:36:27,750 So, it even sounded that much crazier audibly, 742 00:36:27,924 --> 00:36:30,710 you know, when you would hear a guy go... 743 00:36:30,884 --> 00:36:33,713 Motherfucker! 744 00:36:36,455 --> 00:36:37,978 We kind of even took Howard's stunts 745 00:36:38,152 --> 00:36:40,676 to the next fuckery level. And Howard would be like, 746 00:36:40,850 --> 00:36:43,375 "Bubba, man, you guys are shot out of a cannon. 747 00:36:43,549 --> 00:36:45,594 I don't, I don't know that I could even do that here." 748 00:36:45,768 --> 00:36:47,944 - Do you want women to listen? - I was number one 749 00:36:48,118 --> 00:36:50,817 with persons 12 plus. That encompasses women as well. 750 00:36:50,991 --> 00:36:52,645 Believe it or not, a lot of women listen to my show. 751 00:36:52,819 --> 00:36:54,951 Not every woman is a-- you know, is June Cleaver. 752 00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:57,693 There's a lot of women out there that act like you and I off camera, Kathy. 753 00:36:57,867 --> 00:37:00,261 We were talking about nip-tuck, you know. Come on. 754 00:37:09,401 --> 00:37:11,446 Um, Livestock was an annual, 755 00:37:11,620 --> 00:37:14,536 uh, outdoor rock festival that we had at 98Rock. 756 00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:16,408 Uh, and it was a huge, 757 00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:20,412 like, 300-acre-- acre field in Zephyrhills, Florida. 758 00:37:20,586 --> 00:37:23,197 I was scheduled to be at Livestock, and I had 759 00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:26,113 this woman who had requested to do an interview. 760 00:37:26,287 --> 00:37:28,681 She did a local television show. 761 00:37:28,855 --> 00:37:30,509 Her name was Heather Cole. 762 00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:32,728 And, uh, I saw a picture of her. 763 00:37:32,902 --> 00:37:35,209 I was like, "Wow, this bitch is hot." 764 00:37:35,731 --> 00:37:37,690 So, I forgot all about it. 765 00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:39,822 And I come rolling up at 4:00, 766 00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:43,173 and she's loading up her equipment, mad as hell. 767 00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:46,046 She'd been out in this field for three hours, waiting for me. 768 00:37:46,220 --> 00:37:48,483 You know, I saw her and I'm like, "Holy shit. 769 00:37:48,657 --> 00:37:51,181 You should have been here at 1:00, on time, you dipshit." 770 00:37:51,356 --> 00:37:54,228 So, we do the interview and then we get done. 771 00:37:54,402 --> 00:37:55,925 And three doors down, 772 00:37:56,099 --> 00:37:58,058 they're getting ready to go on stage. 773 00:37:58,232 --> 00:38:01,279 And so I asked her, I said, "Hey, why don't you be my guest? 774 00:38:01,453 --> 00:38:03,237 And we watch the concert together." 775 00:38:03,411 --> 00:38:04,369 And we did. 776 00:38:04,543 --> 00:38:06,371 We kind of started, you know, 777 00:38:06,545 --> 00:38:08,329 hanging out and hooking up, 778 00:38:08,503 --> 00:38:10,853 and, and I fell in love with her. 779 00:38:11,767 --> 00:38:15,293 Baba proposed to me under duress, maybe. 780 00:38:15,467 --> 00:38:18,383 I'd gotten this ring for her. I had it for a while. 781 00:38:18,557 --> 00:38:21,037 I-- he had had the ring for many, many months 782 00:38:21,211 --> 00:38:24,476 and showed it to me and to his sister and to his mom. 783 00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:27,566 And pretty much anytime someone came to the house, he would show the ring to them. 784 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:29,263 Because it was a pretty kick-ass ring. 785 00:38:29,437 --> 00:38:31,439 And I said, "Well, listen. You need to ask me 786 00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:33,354 if you're gonna, you know, take this out 787 00:38:33,528 --> 00:38:35,225 and show it eve-- to everybody." 788 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,359 One day I got up, and I was in my underwear. 789 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,274 She was getting ready, getting her makeup on. 790 00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:43,146 I just walked up and said, "Hey, will you marry me?" 791 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:44,844 And I said yes. 792 00:38:46,715 --> 00:38:48,587 TheBubba the Love Sponge Show. 793 00:38:48,761 --> 00:38:52,068 Are you ready to shock your mornings back to life? 794 00:38:53,287 --> 00:38:55,245 Hey, yo, Bubba Army. What's up? 795 00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:58,205 The original OG member from the Army right here. 796 00:38:58,379 --> 00:39:00,599 Hulk Hogan, the greatest of all times 797 00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:03,950 want to welcome you to the greatest show of all times. 798 00:39:04,124 --> 00:39:06,474 You know, I started to meet celebrities in The Power Pig days. 799 00:39:06,648 --> 00:39:08,824 We're here at East Bay. Just got here. And my best friend 800 00:39:08,998 --> 00:39:10,957 in the whole wide world, Hollywood, Hulk Hogan. Check some... 801 00:39:11,131 --> 00:39:14,134 Hulk Hogan and Bubba's friendship 802 00:39:14,308 --> 00:39:15,570 was front and center. 803 00:39:15,744 --> 00:39:16,963 They were best friends. 804 00:39:17,137 --> 00:39:19,487 You know, they were super close. 805 00:39:19,661 --> 00:39:22,838 You know, they confided in each other, you know, 806 00:39:23,012 --> 00:39:25,363 things that only best friends do. 807 00:39:25,885 --> 00:39:27,756 They were as close as friends could be. 808 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:30,672 - Come here, bro. - There's a maniac. Come on, give me some. 809 00:39:30,846 --> 00:39:33,153 - Let's get some axle grease on that mohawk, brother. - All right. 810 00:39:33,327 --> 00:39:35,677 He was really nice to all of us. Like, he was a good guy. 811 00:39:35,851 --> 00:39:38,158 Like, told me stories about Andre the Giant. 812 00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:40,595 Affectionately, we called him Hootie. Like, we had a nickname for him. 813 00:39:40,769 --> 00:39:43,119 Like, we hung out with him all the time. 814 00:39:43,293 --> 00:39:45,687 Check some air pressure. - Dizzy knows more about cars 815 00:39:45,861 --> 00:39:47,559 than most of the drivers. 816 00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:49,343 I would get off the air at ten o'clock. 817 00:39:49,517 --> 00:39:51,998 I'd be at his house by 10:30. We'd work out. 818 00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:54,217 We'd ride motorcycles, we'd ride jet skis. 819 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:55,436 I mean, we were inseparable. 820 00:39:55,610 --> 00:39:57,917 Well, I, I think, at one juncture, 821 00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,572 you, you know, I joked with him, uh, you know, that, you know, 822 00:40:00,746 --> 00:40:02,400 were they gay for each other? 823 00:40:02,574 --> 00:40:04,576 It was, uh, kind of funny. 824 00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:08,275 Uh, Hogan, uh, is, is the godfather of my son, Tyler. 825 00:40:08,449 --> 00:40:11,757 Terry and I had a-- always a 24/7 tether into each other. 826 00:40:11,931 --> 00:40:14,716 His phone call never went unanswered, and neither did mine. 827 00:40:14,890 --> 00:40:18,851 We were so relaxed around him because of Bubba's friendship 828 00:40:19,025 --> 00:40:20,722 that you would lose sight 829 00:40:20,896 --> 00:40:23,159 that this guy is one of the most famous people in the world. 830 00:40:24,422 --> 00:40:27,425 Hogan's a very smart guy, and he knows how to work. 831 00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,557 And he's like, "Hold on. Here's a radio guy 832 00:40:29,731 --> 00:40:31,646 that seems pretty cool, that's over." 833 00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:34,736 Meaning, "very popular in my town that, uh, 834 00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:37,217 that we can make one hell of a dynamic duo." 835 00:40:37,391 --> 00:40:39,393 And we did, man. We ran this town. 836 00:40:47,227 --> 00:40:50,012 My wedding, I actually had people come up to me and said, 837 00:40:50,186 --> 00:40:52,754 "Man, that wedding was just so fucking cool." 838 00:40:52,928 --> 00:40:54,582 And there's celebrities that were there. 839 00:40:54,756 --> 00:40:55,975 Just the overall vibe. 840 00:40:56,149 --> 00:40:57,542 Our kids were involved. 841 00:40:57,716 --> 00:40:59,369 You know, I had Howard Stern, 842 00:40:59,544 --> 00:41:02,677 Hulk Hogan, Robin, and Fred, 843 00:41:02,851 --> 00:41:04,984 and Kerry, and Artie. 844 00:41:05,158 --> 00:41:07,508 For Heather and Bubba! 845 00:41:12,644 --> 00:41:15,821 Honest to God, deep down, I'm so happy for you guys. 846 00:41:15,995 --> 00:41:19,477 And, uh... this is one of the coolest experiences of my life, 847 00:41:19,651 --> 00:41:21,827 and, uh, and I'm, I'm happy to be a part of it with you guys. 848 00:41:22,001 --> 00:41:25,787 - So, congratulations. - To the bride and groom, thank you for having us. 849 00:41:25,961 --> 00:41:29,399 And I want to wanna say that the bride is way too hot for the groom. 850 00:41:29,574 --> 00:41:33,316 And it was clear that the minister wanted to bang the bride, 851 00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:35,623 but we'll overlook that. That was a little creepy. 852 00:41:35,797 --> 00:41:37,277 It was a fantastic wedding. 853 00:41:37,451 --> 00:41:41,281 And, uh, Hulk Hogan should take off his durag. 854 00:41:41,455 --> 00:41:42,935 It's a little inappropriate. 855 00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:46,504 And so it was just such a very special moment. 856 00:41:47,156 --> 00:41:50,638 And this is my best friend in the world... 857 00:41:50,812 --> 00:41:52,684 ...no matter what Brian Knobbs says. 858 00:41:53,423 --> 00:41:55,382 Uh, when I first met Bubba, I hated his guts 859 00:41:55,556 --> 00:41:57,297 because he was on The Power Pig. 860 00:41:57,471 --> 00:41:59,168 He was saying all these dirty words 861 00:41:59,342 --> 00:42:01,301 and all these derogatory things in the Tampa Bay area 862 00:42:01,475 --> 00:42:04,391 that all of us rednecks from South Tampa had never heard before. 863 00:42:04,565 --> 00:42:07,133 But then I met the guy, and I realized that, you know, 864 00:42:07,307 --> 00:42:10,310 he was a great person, and nothing like the radio personality. 865 00:42:10,484 --> 00:42:13,443 We became very good friends, and he's one of the only people in this world 866 00:42:13,618 --> 00:42:15,228 that I trust with my children. 867 00:42:15,402 --> 00:42:16,751 To the greatest couple in the world, 868 00:42:16,925 --> 00:42:18,884 Bubba and Heather, we give you our love. 869 00:42:19,058 --> 00:42:21,321 We love you to death. If there's anything you ever need, 870 00:42:21,495 --> 00:42:22,757 you know who to call, brother. 871 00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:26,108 Toast to Bubba and Heather. 872 00:42:33,725 --> 00:42:35,204 Hogan. Hogan, Hogan. No, no. 873 00:42:35,378 --> 00:42:37,555 You know that's a problem around here. 874 00:42:37,729 --> 00:42:39,731 People won't tell you what you really need to hear. 875 00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:42,560 "Oh, Hulk Hogan, whatever you want. Whatever you--" Bischoff. Everybody. 876 00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:44,953 I'm gonna tell you right now. You were the best man at my wedding. 877 00:42:45,127 --> 00:42:46,868 You're the godfather of my son. 878 00:42:47,042 --> 00:42:48,435 I've been in the surgery rooms for you. 879 00:42:48,609 --> 00:42:50,176 I've watched them put knees in you. 880 00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:51,873 You can't even get out of your chair half the time... 881 00:42:52,047 --> 00:42:53,571 I always had a really-- 882 00:42:53,745 --> 00:42:55,529 a great experience with Terry. 883 00:42:55,703 --> 00:42:58,750 He was like a big brother. Uh, a brother. 884 00:42:58,924 --> 00:43:01,491 I mean, Bubba was now getting a national audience 885 00:43:01,666 --> 00:43:03,276 and was, was with Howard, 886 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:06,801 and it definitely was more of a, a one-way friendship 887 00:43:06,975 --> 00:43:09,935 in the sense that there were often times it wasThe Hogan Show, 888 00:43:10,109 --> 00:43:11,545 not theBubba the Love Sponge Show. 889 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,549 Hogan cal-- starts calling the show every day, 890 00:43:15,723 --> 00:43:17,551 sometimes two or three times a day, to the point 891 00:43:17,725 --> 00:43:19,597 where it's, like, starting to get to be bad radio. 892 00:43:19,771 --> 00:43:20,641 Mm-hmm. 893 00:43:32,435 --> 00:43:35,482 Okay. Yo, this is Hulk Hogan, the greatest of all times, 894 00:43:35,656 --> 00:43:37,702 in my little, teeny-teeny-weeny-- 895 00:43:37,876 --> 00:43:41,140 Brooke Teeny is doing the baddest mixtape around 896 00:43:41,314 --> 00:43:44,360 from the 305 to the 954. 897 00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:47,146 I'm gonna come down and bitch-slap Spice and Brett when I come in. 898 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,714 Bubba gave him carte blanche. 899 00:43:49,888 --> 00:43:52,325 I mean, he could do whatever he wanted on that show. 900 00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:54,762 - He could call in whenever he wanted. - His daughter-- 901 00:43:54,936 --> 00:43:57,417 He was trying to get Brooke's music career off the ground. 902 00:43:57,591 --> 00:43:59,811 When they called, called that number and all the boats came in 903 00:43:59,985 --> 00:44:02,552 and the people from VH1 freaked out because, uh, her video 904 00:44:02,727 --> 00:44:04,903 went to number four, which is crazy. I mean, it's like 905 00:44:05,077 --> 00:44:06,731 the Bubba Army, they're so powerful. 906 00:44:06,905 --> 00:44:08,123 It's crazy. 907 00:44:08,297 --> 00:44:10,169 Bubba, you know, got on the air, 908 00:44:10,343 --> 00:44:12,519 talked about it, drove people to drive 909 00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:15,261 to watch that video, and it went to number four. 910 00:44:15,435 --> 00:44:19,526 I think it was a mutual relationship, you know, 911 00:44:19,700 --> 00:44:22,572 and, and beneficial to both of them for the most part 912 00:44:22,747 --> 00:44:25,053 until it wasn't beneficial for Hogan. 913 00:44:25,227 --> 00:44:28,187 You know, Hogan, you know, like anybody else-- you know, 914 00:44:28,361 --> 00:44:31,843 the most important person to him was, was Hogan. 915 00:44:32,017 --> 00:44:33,932 And that's not necessarily a bad thing. 916 00:44:34,106 --> 00:44:37,065 Maybe Bubba sometimes could have learned a little bit of that 917 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,547 and made, you know, himself the most important person than other people. 918 00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:42,767 Sometimes it would've been better for him. 919 00:44:42,941 --> 00:44:46,248 But, you know, Terry, uh, was true to himself. 920 00:44:46,422 --> 00:44:49,556 Hi. Come on in. Welcome to our house. 921 00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:54,866 Heather Clem, she was so into Bubba and was 922 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,435 so on board with his lifestyle, which was not normal. 923 00:44:59,609 --> 00:45:01,786 We were all on board, and we were-- 924 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,918 You know, if, if Bubba loves her, we love her. 925 00:45:09,663 --> 00:45:11,491 Okay, you're gonna follow me to the laundry room 926 00:45:11,665 --> 00:45:13,406 because I'm Cinderella at this house, 927 00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:16,104 and I do all, like, the cleaning, and the laundry, 928 00:45:16,278 --> 00:45:17,627 and the cooking, and all that stuff. 929 00:45:17,802 --> 00:45:19,629 That's usually what I do on Saturdays. 930 00:45:19,804 --> 00:45:22,023 So, come on. You can watch me fold some laundry. 931 00:45:22,197 --> 00:45:24,852 I had no beef at all with Heather 932 00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:26,724 until what happened happened. 933 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:30,945 So, Bubba had a video security system in his house, 934 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:34,775 inside and out, obviously for security purposes, number one. 935 00:45:34,949 --> 00:45:38,126 Because being somebody that's highly polarizing like that, 936 00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,086 you've got to really have your security systems tightened up. 937 00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:43,001 Somebody said that they were touched inappropriately 938 00:45:43,175 --> 00:45:46,526 or anything like that happened, he would have a videotape of it. 939 00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:48,876 Um, and Bubba was very proud of that. 940 00:45:49,050 --> 00:45:51,400 Anybody that came to his house, whether it was Hulk Hogan, or Tony Stewart, 941 00:45:51,574 --> 00:45:54,403 or whoever came to his house, he'd walk them around the house 942 00:45:54,577 --> 00:45:56,666 and go, "There's cameras here, there's cameras here. 943 00:45:56,841 --> 00:45:58,538 I got a control room here. Check this out. Look at this control room. 944 00:45:58,712 --> 00:45:59,974 You can see outside. Blah, blah, blah." 945 00:46:00,148 --> 00:46:01,454 Like, he would show you. 946 00:46:01,628 --> 00:46:02,977 I had seen articles 947 00:46:03,151 --> 00:46:05,197 over the years where, you know, 948 00:46:05,371 --> 00:46:08,896 popular person A has consensual sex 949 00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:11,333 or, what, hangs out with somebody. 950 00:46:11,507 --> 00:46:14,293 And next thing you know, because there was no documentation 951 00:46:14,467 --> 00:46:17,296 or no surveillance, or it was their word versus their word, 952 00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:20,778 and, uh, I wasn't going to be caught in a trick bag 953 00:46:20,952 --> 00:46:24,303 where I didn't have some type of surveillance or proof, 954 00:46:24,477 --> 00:46:28,481 that I didn't do something, you know, very wrong. 955 00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:30,265 Like, because I was a bachelor, 956 00:46:30,439 --> 00:46:32,877 you know, living a rock star-type life, 957 00:46:33,051 --> 00:46:36,010 uh, I installed a surveillance system. 958 00:46:36,184 --> 00:46:38,099 Early on in representing Bubba 959 00:46:38,273 --> 00:46:40,536 and getting into his inner circle, 960 00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:44,149 I realized that it was wrought with dangers. 961 00:46:44,323 --> 00:46:46,978 Uh, there were death threats against Bubba. 962 00:46:47,152 --> 00:46:49,763 I never felt like I needed cameras in my life. 963 00:46:49,937 --> 00:46:52,026 I never felt like I needed a gate around my house. 964 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,854 I, I just never felt that. 965 00:46:54,028 --> 00:46:56,857 Until I started working with and for Bubba. 966 00:47:00,643 --> 00:47:04,691 Iconic pro wrestler Hulk Hogan and his now ex-wife Linda 967 00:47:04,865 --> 00:47:09,696 appeared to be totally in love on their VH1 reality showHogan Knows Best. 968 00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:12,481 But they ultimately split in 2007, 969 00:47:12,655 --> 00:47:15,180 which resulted in a bitter divorce battle. 970 00:47:20,663 --> 00:47:22,404 You agree with me that Linda's entitled 971 00:47:22,578 --> 00:47:25,277 to 50% of the marital assets, don't you? 972 00:47:25,451 --> 00:47:29,150 I'm not a lawyer, and I'm not gonna make any... 973 00:47:29,324 --> 00:47:31,196 Well, then, how can you say she's a money-grabbing bitch 974 00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:32,545 if you don't know the law? 975 00:47:33,285 --> 00:47:35,765 Well, I have seen what she's asking for. 976 00:47:35,940 --> 00:47:37,811 I've, I've seen what her expenses are. 977 00:47:37,985 --> 00:47:41,162 And somebody who spends $7000 a month on clothes, 978 00:47:41,336 --> 00:47:44,774 and somebody who, uh, spends the kind of money that she spends, 979 00:47:44,949 --> 00:47:47,429 which is reported in the newspaper, that I was privy to 980 00:47:47,603 --> 00:47:50,650 and everybody else, um, that was just mind-boggling, 981 00:47:50,824 --> 00:47:54,001 for the things that she thinks that, uh, she should have to live on. 982 00:47:54,175 --> 00:47:56,612 I'm, I'm over this crap, bro. - Man, I cannot believe 983 00:47:56,786 --> 00:47:58,701 - how she could-- - I am not, I am not the bad guy in this situation. 984 00:47:58,876 --> 00:48:00,268 I am over it. 985 00:48:00,442 --> 00:48:03,228 Hogan's going through a divorce, and he was broke. 986 00:48:03,402 --> 00:48:06,361 His body was broken. His heart was broken. 987 00:48:06,535 --> 00:48:07,754 I'm trying to work to pay the bills 988 00:48:07,928 --> 00:48:09,451 for all these 19 million lawyers 989 00:48:09,625 --> 00:48:11,976 and all this crap that's going on, and, you know, 990 00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:14,848 it's almost like they're trying to derail me, so I can't work. I'm over it. 991 00:48:15,022 --> 00:48:16,937 When Terry was going through his divorce, 992 00:48:17,111 --> 00:48:20,375 it was just probably the darkest time for him. 993 00:48:20,854 --> 00:48:26,207 Um, I know that he had talked to Laila Al-- Ali once with a gun in his hand. 994 00:48:26,381 --> 00:48:29,254 Uh, a gun that I, oddly enough, bought him as-- for a birthday present. 995 00:48:29,428 --> 00:48:33,693 But he was just in a really, really dark, dark, dark space. 996 00:48:33,867 --> 00:48:35,608 Um, he was drinking a lot. 997 00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:38,263 Uh, Linda had him just all flipped out. 998 00:48:38,437 --> 00:48:39,917 They were going through a nasty divorce. 999 00:48:40,091 --> 00:48:42,397 He needed a job. He needed money. 1000 00:48:42,571 --> 00:48:46,140 He was living in an apartment, and his finances were a wreck. 1001 00:48:46,314 --> 00:48:47,576 He was being sued. 1002 00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:49,622 And Bubba brought him into his house 1003 00:48:49,796 --> 00:48:51,015 and cared for him, 1004 00:48:51,189 --> 00:48:53,321 and, and so did Heather, for that matter. 1005 00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:55,106 So, so Bubba really took care of him. 1006 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,195 Like, Bubba was one of his last only friends. 1007 00:48:57,369 --> 00:48:59,414 A lot of people in the wrestling business 1008 00:48:59,588 --> 00:49:01,112 didn't like Terry at this point. 1009 00:49:01,286 --> 00:49:03,114 Bubba had an apartment at his house 1010 00:49:03,288 --> 00:49:05,377 that was upstairs. Had a kitchen, had a nice bedroom, 1011 00:49:05,551 --> 00:49:07,988 had a fucking movie theater in it. 1012 00:49:08,162 --> 00:49:11,687 And he let Hogan stay there and live there for as long as he wanted to. 1013 00:49:11,861 --> 00:49:15,822 He got Hogan a, a car deal with Stingray Chevrolet, so he had a car to drive. 1014 00:49:15,996 --> 00:49:17,650 - When I went through the divorce... - Yes. 1015 00:49:17,824 --> 00:49:20,218 ...I actually stayed on the far end of their house 1016 00:49:20,392 --> 00:49:22,916 in their spare bedroom 'cause I had nowhere to stay for a few months. 1017 00:49:23,090 --> 00:49:24,613 - Wow. - I was mentally out of my mind, 1018 00:49:24,787 --> 00:49:26,528 rattled over all the craziness. 1019 00:49:26,702 --> 00:49:29,967 Hogan's in a dark place, and Bubba and Heather, 1020 00:49:30,141 --> 00:49:32,752 together, come up with the idea 1021 00:49:32,926 --> 00:49:34,580 for, um, Heather to have sex with him 1022 00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:36,712 to, like, cheer him up and make him feel better. 1023 00:49:36,886 --> 00:49:39,715 They discussed it, agreed upon it ahead of time, 1024 00:49:39,889 --> 00:49:42,631 and then approached Hulk Hogan with it. 1025 00:49:57,298 --> 00:50:01,476 The videotape starred Hogan and Heather Clem. 1026 00:50:01,650 --> 00:50:05,132 Um, she was the ex-wife of shock jock Bubba the Love... 1027 00:50:05,306 --> 00:50:07,743 ...posting a secretly-taped sex video 1028 00:50:07,917 --> 00:50:10,181 showing Hogan with his best friend's wife. 1029 00:50:10,355 --> 00:50:12,531 Hogan was videotaped having sex with the wife 1030 00:50:12,705 --> 00:50:15,055 of shock jock Bubba the Love Sponge Clem. 1031 00:50:15,229 --> 00:50:18,580 A sex video of Hulk and Heather doing their thing. 1032 00:50:18,754 --> 00:50:21,888 - She was married to Bubba... - So I call him and say... 1033 00:50:23,237 --> 00:50:26,719 ..."Okay. Uh, hey, Bubba, did your wife fuck Hogan?" 1034 00:50:26,893 --> 00:50:30,375 He's like, "Uh... yeah." 1035 00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:35,858 "You did what? You let your wife have sex with Hogan?" 1036 00:50:36,381 --> 00:50:39,819 In the tape, it's taken completely off of surveillance cameras 1037 00:50:39,993 --> 00:50:44,302 that were set up in the home of radio host Bubba the Love Sponge Clem. 1038 00:50:44,476 --> 00:50:47,827 Um, and Gawker published just one minute and 40 seconds of this tape. 1039 00:50:48,001 --> 00:50:50,960 But we have now found there-- there's some additional information, 1040 00:50:51,135 --> 00:50:55,487 because Hulk was saying that Bubba has anything to do with this, 1041 00:50:55,661 --> 00:50:57,837 uh, that friendship is over. 1042 00:50:58,011 --> 00:51:00,535 In a press conference Monday, Hogan's attorneys say 1043 00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:02,929 the Clems knowingly took the video 1044 00:51:03,103 --> 00:51:05,845 and leaked it in an attempt to make money. 1045 00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:08,413 And then I was like, "Well, how the hell 1046 00:51:08,587 --> 00:51:10,328 did somebody get ahold of that tape?" 1047 00:51:10,502 --> 00:51:12,591 Because I knew, um, I knew 1048 00:51:12,765 --> 00:51:15,420 Bubba would never have had a hand in that. I knew it. 1049 00:51:15,594 --> 00:51:17,117 And I just kept racking my brain. 1050 00:51:17,291 --> 00:51:19,902 Who the fuck took this tape? 1051 00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:23,254 Was it Brent? Was it Spice? Was it Manson? 1052 00:51:23,428 --> 00:51:27,475 Was it 25? Was it Russ? Was it Hamill? 1053 00:51:27,649 --> 00:51:31,218 And I trusted-- I genuinely trusted every person that worked for me. 1054 00:51:31,392 --> 00:51:34,308 I genuinely-- you know, they had keys to the building. 1055 00:51:34,482 --> 00:51:35,962 They can come and do work on the weekend. 1056 00:51:36,136 --> 00:51:38,312 I could not figure out, 1057 00:51:38,486 --> 00:51:41,054 for the life of me, as to how this was disseminated. 1058 00:51:41,228 --> 00:51:44,101 The real problem in itself is who the hell leaked this? 1059 00:51:44,275 --> 00:51:45,928 - Right. Now, you say-- Listen-- - That's the problem. 1060 00:51:46,103 --> 00:51:48,627 I guess he feels you leaked it. 1061 00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:51,238 Well, I would, I would hope that he would help me, 1062 00:51:51,412 --> 00:51:54,328 or I could help him, or we could go on our own and find who did. Becau-- 1063 00:51:54,502 --> 00:51:56,113 - Do you know who did? - No, I don't. 1064 00:51:56,287 --> 00:51:58,941 Because I wish I could. I wish I could find that. 1065 00:51:59,116 --> 00:52:01,596 - Well, who has access to those tapes? - I don't know. 1066 00:52:01,770 --> 00:52:04,556 Initial reports, and, and even Hogan 1067 00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:07,124 initially thought that I leaked the tape. 1068 00:52:07,298 --> 00:52:10,866 There's just no advantage for me to le-- leak that tape. 1069 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,739 Why would I want to expose my best friend and my wife 1070 00:52:13,913 --> 00:52:15,784 through whatever our little kink was? 1071 00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:18,309 - Why would I want to do that? - He planned all of this. 1072 00:52:18,483 --> 00:52:20,920 "I'ma film it and then I'ma put it 1073 00:52:21,094 --> 00:52:23,009 so everybody in the world can see." 1074 00:52:23,183 --> 00:52:24,793 So, he tried to make it seem like, 1075 00:52:24,967 --> 00:52:27,056 in my opinion, 1076 00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:29,842 that somebody stole the video from him. 1077 00:52:30,016 --> 00:52:35,195 And that's how it anonymously got to this Gawker Media source. 1078 00:52:35,369 --> 00:52:38,155 Bubba then sent the clip off to someone else, 1079 00:52:38,329 --> 00:52:40,766 who then published it for the world to see. 1080 00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:45,162 - Didn't Bubba sell that tape to Gawker? - Must have done. 1081 00:52:45,336 --> 00:52:47,468 We started trying to figure out how it happened 1082 00:52:47,642 --> 00:52:49,731 and, and how it had been taken. 1083 00:52:50,776 --> 00:52:54,519 Then they go through a divorce. This nasty divorce. 1084 00:52:54,693 --> 00:52:58,610 Bubba, unlike Hulk Hogan, had an ironclad prenup. 1085 00:52:58,784 --> 00:53:01,308 And those DVDs, he feared, 1086 00:53:01,482 --> 00:53:05,312 would have given her that leverage to get more money. 1087 00:53:05,486 --> 00:53:08,010 My reasoning for keeping said surveillance 1088 00:53:08,185 --> 00:53:11,013 was because I didn't know if Heather had it or not, 1089 00:53:11,188 --> 00:53:13,668 but I was afraid that if she had a copy of it, 1090 00:53:14,234 --> 00:53:16,454 then she could manipulate it in some way, shape or form, 1091 00:53:16,628 --> 00:53:18,107 and I get blamed for it. 1092 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,242 In his estimation, bringing 'em to work... 1093 00:53:22,416 --> 00:53:25,854 and locking 'em up in his office, where she never was, 1094 00:53:26,028 --> 00:53:27,900 is the safe place for them to be 1095 00:53:28,074 --> 00:53:29,597 'cause she doesn't have access to them, 1096 00:53:29,771 --> 00:53:32,774 and she can't use them as leverage for money. 1097 00:53:32,948 --> 00:53:36,125 But I didn't destroy it. I put it in my office. 1098 00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:38,867 I'm assuming everything's-- up there is okay. 1099 00:53:39,477 --> 00:53:41,696 Nobody really has a key to even get up there. 1100 00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:44,482 My attorney said, "You need to destroy this thing." 1101 00:53:45,091 --> 00:53:47,441 And, God, had I just listened. 1102 00:53:47,615 --> 00:53:51,053 Had I just fucking listened. 1103 00:53:58,539 --> 00:54:03,196 I'm walking down the hallways of Cox Media Group, 1104 00:54:03,370 --> 00:54:06,112 and I hear some people, like, laughing, 1105 00:54:06,286 --> 00:54:08,245 and I hear people doing their... you know, 1106 00:54:08,419 --> 00:54:11,378 their typical Bubba impersonation. 1107 00:54:11,552 --> 00:54:14,381 And I was walking down the hallway, heard some laughing. 1108 00:54:14,555 --> 00:54:17,471 I looked in, and it was Mike Calta 1109 00:54:17,645 --> 00:54:21,736 and Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd in his office. 1110 00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:24,739 I thought maybe this was something new that they had found, 1111 00:54:24,913 --> 00:54:26,872 but the video was not being played 1112 00:54:27,046 --> 00:54:29,440 on a website or from a news story. 1113 00:54:29,614 --> 00:54:34,096 It, it was definitely being played off a media player-type thing. 1114 00:54:34,271 --> 00:54:37,796 What I'm saying is, I know what I saw, and if I-- 1115 00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:39,711 if that story would have already been out there, 1116 00:54:39,885 --> 00:54:42,191 I would have heard about it, is what I'm trying to say. 1117 00:54:42,366 --> 00:54:44,193 The most famous wrestler in the world 1118 00:54:44,368 --> 00:54:47,371 now taking on Gawker inside a Florida courtroom, 1119 00:54:47,545 --> 00:54:51,026 suing the website for posting a 2007 video of him 1120 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,812 having sex with Heather Clem, the then-wife 1121 00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:56,293 of his former best friend Bubba Clem. 1122 00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:58,686 Hogan, seeking $100 million 1123 00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:00,949 for the alleged invasion of privacy. 1124 00:55:01,123 --> 00:55:03,256 Now, I'm still working for Cox at this time, 1125 00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:05,954 so I didn't really know who did what 1126 00:55:06,128 --> 00:55:10,307 until about five or six months prior to the Gawker trial, 1127 00:55:10,481 --> 00:55:12,178 as to how all this shook out. 1128 00:55:12,352 --> 00:55:14,572 When Hogan was suing Gawker, 1129 00:55:14,746 --> 00:55:16,356 and I'm in depositions, 1130 00:55:16,530 --> 00:55:18,576 they kept asking me during-- 1131 00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:21,492 the Gawker people, "Do you know Mike Calta? 1132 00:55:22,057 --> 00:55:25,278 Do you know Tony Burton?" I'm like, "Well, yeah." 1133 00:55:25,931 --> 00:55:27,889 Uh, "Would they have access to this?" 1134 00:55:28,063 --> 00:55:30,065 And based on the questions they were asking me, 1135 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,024 I was able to piece it together. 1136 00:55:32,198 --> 00:55:35,636 So, after the depositions with Gawker, I got in my car, 1137 00:55:35,810 --> 00:55:38,770 and as fast as my fat little fingers could dial my phone, 1138 00:55:38,944 --> 00:55:41,686 I called my agent, Tom Bean, up and I was like, 1139 00:55:41,860 --> 00:55:47,082 "Tom, I know what the fuck happened now." 1140 00:56:00,879 --> 00:56:04,578 Part of it was that the Tampa Bay radio scene had distilled 1141 00:56:04,752 --> 00:56:07,712 this sort of shock jock mentality in a way 1142 00:56:07,886 --> 00:56:11,019 that a lot of other radio scenes hadn't done. 1143 00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:16,329 It's one of the fiercest radio markets in the country. 1144 00:56:16,895 --> 00:56:19,811 Very, extremely competitive. 1145 00:56:19,985 --> 00:56:23,380 And there might have been other markets where there were one or two jocks 1146 00:56:23,554 --> 00:56:25,860 that were considered, quote, unquote, "shock jocks." 1147 00:56:26,034 --> 00:56:29,690 But we had a, a radio market where there was something like 1148 00:56:29,864 --> 00:56:34,216 five or six people who, who were doing that kind of stuff. 1149 00:56:34,391 --> 00:56:37,481 And so they would talk about each other because they knew 1150 00:56:37,655 --> 00:56:41,702 that the, um, competition and the friction 1151 00:56:41,876 --> 00:56:46,403 would gin up, you know, fans of both jocks. 1152 00:56:46,577 --> 00:56:49,754 That, that shows you how, that shows you how stupid you are, my friend, 1153 00:56:49,928 --> 00:56:52,017 because I talked to 25 about it. 1154 00:56:52,191 --> 00:56:53,975 ...don't have to talk about you to remain relevant. 1155 00:56:54,149 --> 00:56:56,935 What happened to all of your failed markets? 1156 00:56:57,109 --> 00:56:59,894 You are unsuccessful in every one of them. 1157 00:57:00,068 --> 00:57:02,506 This company rolled out the red carpet for you 1158 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,247 and you shoved it right up your ass. 1159 00:57:05,422 --> 00:57:06,901 You ruined everything. You-- 1160 00:57:07,075 --> 00:57:09,295 I find this to be a sad day 'cause this is not 1161 00:57:09,469 --> 00:57:11,645 about the First Amendment. This is not about free speech. 1162 00:57:11,819 --> 00:57:15,432 And so some of it was obviously genuine. 1163 00:57:15,606 --> 00:57:18,347 Some of these people obviously hated each other. 1164 00:57:18,522 --> 00:57:20,959 Uh, but some of it was also good for business. 1165 00:57:21,133 --> 00:57:23,396 And so, and so you take the fact that, 1166 00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:25,267 you know, the shock jock genre is kind of distilled 1167 00:57:25,442 --> 00:57:27,182 in the Tampa Bay area. 1168 00:57:27,356 --> 00:57:29,010 It's good for business, for them to fight each other. 1169 00:57:29,184 --> 00:57:31,926 These people are toxic, so they hate each other anyway. 1170 00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:35,190 And you have, you know, all the makings for a situation 1171 00:57:35,364 --> 00:57:38,803 where you could have a lot of awful stuff go down. 1172 00:57:38,977 --> 00:57:42,371 The radio market in Tampa Bay, for decades, hands down, 1173 00:57:42,546 --> 00:57:45,636 I don't even think there's a debate about it, is and has been 1174 00:57:45,810 --> 00:57:49,683 the most competitive terrestrial radio market there is. 1175 00:57:49,857 --> 00:57:54,253 The level that it's gotten to in Tampa Bay is almost unbelievable. 1176 00:57:54,427 --> 00:57:56,777 Pull out the heavy artillery and do everything you can 1177 00:57:56,951 --> 00:57:59,040 to get the person off the air, and probabl-- 1178 00:57:59,214 --> 00:58:01,042 Best scenario, throw 'em in jail. 1179 00:58:01,739 --> 00:58:04,568 "Cutthroat" is, is almost being nice about it. 1180 00:58:09,268 --> 00:58:13,011 Since Bubba really came on the scene in 1992, 1181 00:58:13,185 --> 00:58:18,886 he really had dominated the Tampa Bay Area, you know, broadcasting. 1182 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:22,586 He was number one by leaps and bounds, 1183 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,198 above anybody else in the entire market, 1184 00:58:26,372 --> 00:58:30,245 up until he got terminated by Clear Channel in 2004. 1185 00:58:30,985 --> 00:58:35,294 Then, when he started with SiriusXM in 2006 1186 00:58:36,208 --> 00:58:39,385 and didn't come back to the Tampa Bay airwaves, 1187 00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,910 I think all of the Tampa Bay terrestrial broadcasters 1188 00:58:43,084 --> 00:58:44,738 breathed a big sigh of relief, 1189 00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:47,349 knowing that they weren't gonna have to compete 1190 00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:50,048 with Bubba the Love Sponge anymore in Tampa Bay, 1191 00:58:50,222 --> 00:58:53,617 because clearly they could not be successful 1192 00:58:53,791 --> 00:58:56,707 competing against him because he dominated. 1193 00:58:58,578 --> 00:59:01,581 We do, you know, SiriusXM exclusively 1194 00:59:01,755 --> 00:59:06,412 for 2006 and 2007 out of our own studios. 1195 00:59:06,586 --> 00:59:08,109 We're doing great. We're on Howard 101. 1196 00:59:08,283 --> 00:59:10,459 Howard does mornings, we do afternoons. 1197 00:59:10,634 --> 00:59:15,856 In late 2007, Cox calls Tom Bean up, 1198 00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:18,119 and they're interested in us doing mornings 1199 00:59:18,293 --> 00:59:21,470 on one radio station here in Tampa, 102.5, The Bone. 1200 00:59:21,645 --> 00:59:24,038 I knew I was gonna have to do-- end up doing two shows, 1201 00:59:24,212 --> 00:59:26,867 which was gonna be exhausting, but the money was just unbelievable. 1202 00:59:29,043 --> 00:59:30,392 Okay, we're back now with Bubba the Love Sponge, 1203 00:59:30,567 --> 00:59:34,135 who returns to radio 102.5, The Bone, uh, FM, 1204 00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:36,485 - here in Tampa and also in, uh, Jacksonville. - Yeah. 1205 00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:38,618 Okay, well, uh, it will be interesting to watch. 1206 00:59:38,792 --> 00:59:41,012 Uh, Bubba's back. You can either run for your lives 1207 00:59:41,186 --> 00:59:43,580 - or cover your ears or, or listen in. - Or both. 1208 00:59:43,754 --> 00:59:45,538 - All right. Very good to have you on Flashpoint. - Don't forget our bet. 1209 00:59:45,712 --> 00:59:47,888 All right. You bet-- Well, it's on videotape. 1210 00:59:48,062 --> 00:59:49,760 - No denying it. Thank you. - Thank you, buddy. 1211 00:59:49,934 --> 00:59:53,894 So, we agreed to do mornings on 102.5, The Bone. 1212 00:59:55,722 --> 00:59:57,898 And, and don't forget, we replaced Calta. 1213 00:59:58,072 --> 01:00:01,510 When, you know, Bubba was being, uh, looked at 1214 01:00:01,685 --> 01:00:04,078 as a replacement, it was interesting for it to be 1215 01:00:04,252 --> 01:00:07,299 the replacement of Mike Calta's show. 1216 01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:10,258 We signed a deal with Cox to return back to terrestrial radio 1217 01:00:10,432 --> 01:00:13,653 via The Bone, uh, and in the first, 1218 01:00:13,827 --> 01:00:16,090 I don't know, 30 to 40, 45 days, 1219 01:00:16,264 --> 01:00:18,876 we were already number one in almost everyday part. 1220 01:00:19,354 --> 01:00:21,879 And that's when things really then started to get exciting. 1221 01:00:22,053 --> 01:00:24,011 No. No. 1222 01:00:24,185 --> 01:00:25,709 - That would kill somebody. - That'd be awesome, you know? 1223 01:00:25,883 --> 01:00:27,275 So, you're not trying to kill them. You're trying 1224 01:00:27,449 --> 01:00:28,842 to let them think that they're gonna be killed. 1225 01:00:29,016 --> 01:00:30,191 And if they just give us the information. 1226 01:00:30,365 --> 01:00:31,715 Yeah, you want to find out where... 1227 01:00:31,889 --> 01:00:32,846 You know, we were dominating 1228 01:00:33,020 --> 01:00:34,674 our, our, our, our hometown. 1229 01:00:34,848 --> 01:00:36,502 And then, at that point, we're talking syndication. 1230 01:00:36,676 --> 01:00:39,157 You know, other, other cities as well. 1231 01:00:40,027 --> 01:00:44,075 Having been off the air for four years, 1232 01:00:44,249 --> 01:00:47,382 had no promotion, had switched 1233 01:00:47,556 --> 01:00:51,735 to the broadcast medium of satellite radio, 1234 01:00:52,387 --> 01:00:55,826 I don't think anybody really expected Bubba to do particularly well. 1235 01:00:57,001 --> 01:01:00,308 The ratings for terrestrial radio, radio 1236 01:01:00,482 --> 01:01:03,007 come every week and they're put into books. 1237 01:01:03,181 --> 01:01:06,967 Each book, you know, is, uh, approximately a month, 1238 01:01:07,141 --> 01:01:09,709 and there are three books to a quarter. 1239 01:01:09,883 --> 01:01:12,712 In Bubba's first full book back, 1240 01:01:13,278 --> 01:01:19,153 he took 102.5, The Bone, from essentially last place 1241 01:01:19,327 --> 01:01:23,462 in the marketplace to number one over the MJ Show, 1242 01:01:23,636 --> 01:01:26,770 which had been his long nemesis before. 1243 01:01:26,944 --> 01:01:29,773 It made my competitors and people within my company hate me. 1244 01:01:29,947 --> 01:01:33,254 I mean, that's where the animosity of Calta came from. 1245 01:01:33,428 --> 01:01:35,256 You know, we, we would be number one 1246 01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:38,477 and afternoon drive would be, you know, tenth. 1247 01:01:38,651 --> 01:01:42,350 Bubba! Bubba! Bubba! Bubba... 1248 01:01:42,524 --> 01:01:44,918 They asked me when I was doing my deal, 1249 01:01:45,092 --> 01:01:46,703 "Do you want us to get rid of Calta? 1250 01:01:46,877 --> 01:01:48,269 'Cause I know you guys had a long kind of--" 1251 01:01:48,443 --> 01:01:51,577 And I was like-- Probably one of my biggest regrets 1252 01:01:51,751 --> 01:01:54,058 is me-- 'Cause Tom Bean asked me. 1253 01:01:54,232 --> 01:01:57,714 Tom Bean actually tried to get me to change my mind. 1254 01:01:57,888 --> 01:01:59,585 He was like, "Are you sure you want to do that?" 1255 01:01:59,759 --> 01:02:01,195 And I'm like, "Yeah, whatever. What the, what the fuck? 1256 01:02:01,369 --> 01:02:04,459 I mean, who cares? I'm done with his bullshit." 1257 01:02:06,026 --> 01:02:07,506 Boy, I was wrong on that one. 1258 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,162 You know, Bubba was good at rubbing it in your face 1259 01:02:11,336 --> 01:02:13,338 that he was kicking your ass. 1260 01:02:13,512 --> 01:02:15,644 Trying to remain relevant? Are you kidding me? 1261 01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:17,864 Have you looked at the ratings? Have you looked at the ratings today? 1262 01:02:18,038 --> 01:02:20,258 Remain relevant? 1263 01:02:20,432 --> 01:02:23,000 Remain relevant? Re-- remain relevant? 1264 01:02:23,174 --> 01:02:24,566 You're only good as your last book. 1265 01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:27,831 You're down, you're down 61%. 1266 01:02:28,005 --> 01:02:31,530 So, he was good at pouring salt into open wounds. 1267 01:02:32,139 --> 01:02:35,534 And then when he came back in 2008, it was just like, 1268 01:02:35,708 --> 01:02:38,755 "What do we have to do to kill this motherfucker?" 1269 01:02:46,763 --> 01:02:50,854 Every contract negotiation we had with Sirius 1270 01:02:51,028 --> 01:02:54,466 was always a big pain in the ass. 1271 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,860 Always just down to the last minute. 1272 01:02:57,034 --> 01:03:00,211 Every time we negotiated with him, it was never easy. 1273 01:03:00,385 --> 01:03:03,649 And finally, the final one was just downright disrespectful. 1274 01:03:03,823 --> 01:03:09,046 Our final contract offer was, uh, an 80% haircut. 1275 01:03:09,220 --> 01:03:12,266 From a million bucks to 200,000. 1276 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,530 Bubba's popularity on SiriusXM... 1277 01:03:17,358 --> 01:03:18,620 ...at its peak... 1278 01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:23,930 ...clearly was a threat to Howard Stern. 1279 01:03:24,104 --> 01:03:27,934 You know, why would anybody want to have... 1280 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,069 ...somebody that could garner 1281 01:03:32,243 --> 01:03:36,551 almost as good, uh, uh, ratings as you can 1282 01:03:36,725 --> 01:03:39,293 - for pennies on the dollar? - And here we are, killing it. 1283 01:03:39,467 --> 01:03:41,426 We have the most, most call volume, 1284 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,820 we're, we're-- we work in five days a week. 1285 01:03:43,994 --> 01:03:45,604 We're doing mornings on Friday 1286 01:03:45,778 --> 01:03:48,433 on Howard's channel 'cause he wouldn't do mornings. 1287 01:03:48,607 --> 01:03:51,392 And rather than to say, "Hey, you guys make a million now, 1288 01:03:51,566 --> 01:03:54,265 we're gonna give you, you know, a little bit more" or-- 1289 01:03:54,439 --> 01:03:56,136 "Because we appreciate you." 1290 01:03:56,310 --> 01:04:00,575 Howard and Don Buchwald are out to protect Howard Stern 1291 01:04:00,749 --> 01:04:04,666 and Howard Stern's earning ability, and Howard's rights, 1292 01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:08,322 just like my job was to do that for Bubba. 1293 01:04:08,496 --> 01:04:11,717 So, that's just doing what they're supposed to do. 1294 01:04:11,891 --> 01:04:15,112 But at the end of the day, clearly, you know, 1295 01:04:15,286 --> 01:04:18,593 when you're second best and there's somebody 1296 01:04:18,767 --> 01:04:22,119 that has a reason to want to not have competition... 1297 01:04:24,034 --> 01:04:25,905 ...you don't want to have competition. 1298 01:04:27,298 --> 01:04:30,301 I think that offer had a lot to do with us doing better 1299 01:04:30,475 --> 01:04:33,173 than a lot of people had anticipated we would do. 1300 01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:44,402 When they had to take the pay cut whenever they were renegotiating with Sirius, 1301 01:04:44,576 --> 01:04:51,104 man, oh, man, Spice made the biggest deal about taking a pay cut at that time. 1302 01:04:51,757 --> 01:04:55,369 And you could see it. Like, Spice was the one guy 1303 01:04:55,543 --> 01:04:58,329 that just went hard into the paint. 1304 01:04:58,503 --> 01:05:01,593 He was very, very materialistic. 1305 01:05:01,767 --> 01:05:03,856 If somebody else had something, there-- 1306 01:05:04,030 --> 01:05:07,120 you could always tell there was jealousy there. 1307 01:05:07,294 --> 01:05:09,775 He is money-obsessed, 1308 01:05:09,949 --> 01:05:11,864 um, and he doesn't really understand 1309 01:05:12,038 --> 01:05:13,735 the business end of it. He really doesn't. 1310 01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:17,609 After this, even Spice Boy's style on the air 1311 01:05:17,783 --> 01:05:22,614 became much more angry, and bitter, and personal. 1312 01:05:26,618 --> 01:05:30,056 I think, early on it was 1313 01:05:30,752 --> 01:05:34,887 a mentorship-type relationship. 1314 01:05:35,061 --> 01:05:39,109 I think there was a time period, as Matt got older 1315 01:05:39,283 --> 01:05:42,851 and more experienced as a broadcaster, 1316 01:05:43,026 --> 01:05:46,725 where Matt started to smell himself a little bit 1317 01:05:46,899 --> 01:05:50,729 and started to think that he was just as capable as Bubba. 1318 01:05:50,903 --> 01:05:53,036 And he became very jealous of Bubba, 1319 01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:55,908 and he thought that Bubba was fat and stupid 1320 01:05:56,082 --> 01:05:58,171 and "How could he be successful?" 1321 01:05:58,345 --> 01:06:01,435 You know, "I'm smarter, I'm good-looking. 1322 01:06:01,609 --> 01:06:03,046 I'm a better host." 1323 01:06:03,524 --> 01:06:05,004 Bubba was writing a book. 1324 01:06:05,178 --> 01:06:06,658 I don't even know if it even came out. 1325 01:06:06,832 --> 01:06:08,355 And they made, uh, everybody on the show 1326 01:06:08,529 --> 01:06:11,358 write a foreword, uh, to Bubba's book, 1327 01:06:11,532 --> 01:06:15,754 and, and, and, Spice Boy was just brutal. 1328 01:06:15,928 --> 01:06:19,366 Man, he said some of the worst stuff. 1329 01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:22,717 Like, I, I-- when I, when I heard, uh, Spice talking about it, 1330 01:06:22,891 --> 01:06:24,545 I was like, "Oh, this is not gonna be good. 1331 01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:27,853 Bubba is going to blow his top." 1332 01:06:49,353 --> 01:06:53,357 I think Matt started to think that he could be 1333 01:06:53,531 --> 01:06:58,362 just as successful, or even perhaps a better broadcaster than Bubba. 1334 01:06:58,536 --> 01:07:03,149 And their relationship changed when we lost the contract 1335 01:07:03,323 --> 01:07:05,630 or we didn't renew with SiriusXM. 1336 01:07:05,804 --> 01:07:09,373 Matt Loyd blamed Bubba, and it were those types of things 1337 01:07:09,547 --> 01:07:13,507 that started to cause some financial, uh, losses 1338 01:07:13,681 --> 01:07:16,423 for the support cast forBubba Show too, 1339 01:07:16,597 --> 01:07:19,209 because the show wasn't, you know, bringing in 1340 01:07:19,383 --> 01:07:21,733 the same revenue that it was before, 1341 01:07:21,907 --> 01:07:24,605 that there started to be some resentment. 1342 01:07:35,399 --> 01:07:39,142 I find out that he's leaving March of '12. 1343 01:07:39,316 --> 01:07:41,492 It's a very emotional time. He was like my, 1344 01:07:41,666 --> 01:07:44,495 he was like my little, like my little brother or my son. 1345 01:07:44,669 --> 01:07:48,281 I remember that was the first time I actually saw Bubba cry. 1346 01:07:48,455 --> 01:07:51,545 He was really, really upset 1347 01:07:52,068 --> 01:07:55,027 that he was losing Spice Boy at that time 1348 01:07:55,201 --> 01:07:57,551 because he was gonna be leaving Bubba's show 1349 01:07:57,725 --> 01:08:01,642 to go do nights at the new FM talk station. 1350 01:08:01,816 --> 01:08:03,731 But Bubba gave him his full blessing. 1351 01:08:03,905 --> 01:08:05,820 He was like, "Man, you're gonna be good at this. 1352 01:08:05,994 --> 01:08:07,953 You're gonna, you're gonna, you're gonna grow, 1353 01:08:08,127 --> 01:08:10,956 you're gonna do your own thing. And I wish you all the luck. 1354 01:08:11,130 --> 01:08:12,784 You're always welcome back." 1355 01:08:12,958 --> 01:08:16,701 You know, when... deals changed 1356 01:08:16,875 --> 01:08:19,747 and the remuneration went down, 1357 01:08:19,921 --> 01:08:21,967 and people had to take less money, 1358 01:08:22,141 --> 01:08:25,275 you know, Bubba's decisions didn't just affect Bubba. 1359 01:08:25,449 --> 01:08:29,844 They affected everybody that was in Bubba's world, Matt included. 1360 01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:45,033 At the time, Calta was doing 3:00 to 7:00, 1361 01:08:45,208 --> 01:08:49,299 and then coming on right after that would be, uh, Matt Loyd Show. 1362 01:08:49,473 --> 01:08:53,520 So, they would see each other every day, being able to talk. 1363 01:08:53,694 --> 01:08:57,829 And I think the plan was not having Bubba in the building, 1364 01:08:58,003 --> 01:09:00,266 having Matt Loyd over there as well too. 1365 01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:03,182 The whole thing is, "Let's work together. 1366 01:09:03,356 --> 01:09:06,272 Let's get Bubba off the morning show 1367 01:09:06,446 --> 01:09:08,144 here at 102.5, The Bone. 1368 01:09:08,318 --> 01:09:11,103 I'm gonna take mornings. You're obviously gonna 1369 01:09:11,277 --> 01:09:13,845 move up to 3:00 to 7:00 afternoon drive." 1370 01:09:14,019 --> 01:09:17,675 I think them being able to see each other every single day, 1371 01:09:17,849 --> 01:09:20,243 they were able to work together. 1372 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,071 Not being in the building, 1373 01:09:23,246 --> 01:09:25,683 I never really knew would be that big of a deal. 1374 01:09:25,857 --> 01:09:28,512 I mean, I thought that we would be out of mind, out of sight. 1375 01:09:28,686 --> 01:09:31,515 The only thing that really mattered was the type of show we put on 1376 01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:33,299 and the ratings that we garnered. 1377 01:09:33,473 --> 01:09:36,737 I never knew that that enabled people who didn't like us 1378 01:09:36,911 --> 01:09:38,957 or were jealous of us to just start a-- 1379 01:09:39,131 --> 01:09:41,394 like, a little mini whisper campaign and... 1380 01:09:41,568 --> 01:09:44,484 Bubba had made the decision to replace Mike Calta 1381 01:09:44,658 --> 01:09:48,401 with Brent Hatley sometime around 2000. 1382 01:09:48,575 --> 01:09:52,318 That created a bunch of animosity 1383 01:09:52,492 --> 01:09:55,626 between, you know, Mike Calta and Bubba then. 1384 01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,019 And anytime Mike Calta would run 1385 01:09:58,194 --> 01:10:01,109 into a problem or an issue, he would blame Bubba for it. 1386 01:10:01,284 --> 01:10:04,069 You're a big, fat, cross-eyed cuckold is what you are. 1387 01:10:04,678 --> 01:10:06,941 Anything else, Mike? Anything else? 1388 01:10:07,725 --> 01:10:09,074 It's nothing really relevant. 1389 01:10:09,248 --> 01:10:10,989 "Man, Bubba's really hard to deal with," 1390 01:10:11,163 --> 01:10:13,209 and "He'll never come to the studio." 1391 01:10:13,383 --> 01:10:16,342 And "We ask him and, you know, he just-- he, he has 1392 01:10:16,516 --> 01:10:20,128 so many other affiliates, and he does an afternoon drive show." 1393 01:10:20,303 --> 01:10:23,306 And "He thinks he's all that," or "He's, he's got a big head." 1394 01:10:23,480 --> 01:10:25,873 And, and that's not, that's not-- 1395 01:10:26,047 --> 01:10:27,701 wasn't our mindset at all. 1396 01:10:27,875 --> 01:10:30,095 We were, you know, kind of rewarding ourselves 1397 01:10:30,269 --> 01:10:32,445 and having our own facility because we weren't just 1398 01:10:32,619 --> 01:10:34,404 a Bone, Cox product. 1399 01:10:34,578 --> 01:10:36,493 We were more global than that. 1400 01:10:36,667 --> 01:10:39,235 Mike Calta had an ax to grind with Bubba. 1401 01:10:39,409 --> 01:10:42,238 Why would he stop having an ax to grind? 1402 01:10:42,412 --> 01:10:45,066 In this instance, Bubba was replacing him, 1403 01:10:45,241 --> 01:10:47,155 moving him from the coveted morning spot 1404 01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:49,114 back to afternoon drive. 1405 01:10:49,288 --> 01:10:52,073 It gets very cutthroat, trying to get to mornings. 1406 01:10:53,031 --> 01:10:56,077 That's every good radio person's goal, is to get to mornings. 1407 01:10:56,252 --> 01:11:00,125 And some people, um, are willing to do anything to get there. 1408 01:11:00,299 --> 01:11:02,214 In Tampa, you have people suing each other, 1409 01:11:02,388 --> 01:11:04,172 trying to get each other arrested. 1410 01:11:04,347 --> 01:11:07,306 There's all kinds of things going on to grab this morning slot 1411 01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:10,918 on these major companies, these major signals in Tampa. 1412 01:11:11,092 --> 01:11:13,269 It's, it's like nothing else in radio. 1413 01:11:13,443 --> 01:11:16,402 It was Bubba getting over on Mike Calta again, 1414 01:11:16,576 --> 01:11:19,362 and Bubba letting him stay and continue to work 1415 01:11:19,536 --> 01:11:21,015 at the same radio station 1416 01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:23,844 in the same, uh, broadcast facility. 1417 01:11:24,018 --> 01:11:27,892 That Bubba Show was being originated, to me, didn't make any sense. 1418 01:11:28,066 --> 01:11:30,460 It was letting the fox into the henhouse. 1419 01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:32,026 Why would you do that? 1420 01:11:32,679 --> 01:11:35,900 Um, had I known of the cancer that that created, 1421 01:11:36,074 --> 01:11:38,729 by not being in the building, I would have really made it 1422 01:11:38,903 --> 01:11:41,906 a bigger effort to be in that building more often 1423 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,734 and talk to the people more. 1424 01:11:43,908 --> 01:11:47,346 This sex tape was their play 1425 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,696 to get Bubba off the air for good. 1426 01:11:49,870 --> 01:11:52,917 They were trying everything 1427 01:11:53,091 --> 01:11:54,614 to get him off the air and throw him in jail 1428 01:11:54,788 --> 01:11:57,182 because they can't beat him on the air. 1429 01:11:57,356 --> 01:11:59,489 They-- I mean, they can't. 1430 01:11:59,663 --> 01:12:01,447 So they have to cheat. 1431 01:12:21,206 --> 01:12:23,600 Many of us, myself included, remember watching 1432 01:12:23,774 --> 01:12:27,212 Hulk Hogan's exploits in the ring as a pro wrestler. 1433 01:12:27,386 --> 01:12:31,042 But today, we saw him fighting in an entirely different arena. 1434 01:12:31,216 --> 01:12:33,261 In court, on the stand, 1435 01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:36,482 taking on the website Gawker over a sex tape. 1436 01:12:42,532 --> 01:12:45,491 Hogan had announced that he was going to sue 1437 01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:48,625 Bubba, Heather and Gawker for $100 million. 1438 01:12:48,799 --> 01:12:51,367 WWE Superstar Hulk Hogan, 1439 01:12:51,541 --> 01:12:53,412 whose real name is Terry Bollea, 1440 01:12:53,586 --> 01:12:56,241 took the stand today for the first day of testimony 1441 01:12:56,415 --> 01:12:58,330 in his lawsuit against Gawker. 1442 01:12:58,504 --> 01:12:59,853 The first knowledge... 1443 01:13:01,202 --> 01:13:02,987 ...that I heard that there was a tape out there 1444 01:13:03,161 --> 01:13:05,859 was some still images came up... 1445 01:13:07,165 --> 01:13:10,777 ...and TMZ called me and said, 1446 01:13:10,951 --> 01:13:14,215 "Hey, there's a rumor that there might be a, a tape out there." 1447 01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:16,304 Guess who's beloved in this community. 1448 01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:17,654 Terry Bollea. 1449 01:13:17,828 --> 01:13:19,786 And he was not a terrible victim, 1450 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,571 he was a real victim. 1451 01:13:21,745 --> 01:13:23,921 First up, the defense, putting former editor-in-chief 1452 01:13:24,095 --> 01:13:25,662 A.J. Daulerio on the stand 1453 01:13:25,836 --> 01:13:27,707 and Hogan's lawyers hammering him 1454 01:13:27,881 --> 01:13:29,535 on his reasons for posting that tape. 1455 01:13:34,061 --> 01:13:37,282 It's not out-loud laughter, no, but it is a smirk. Yeah. 1456 01:13:41,373 --> 01:13:44,681 - It's very serious. - At points, Daulerio even seeming 1457 01:13:44,855 --> 01:13:47,510 to contradict part of Gawker's defense 1458 01:13:47,684 --> 01:13:49,207 that the tape was newsworthy 1459 01:13:49,381 --> 01:13:50,817 and their decision to publish it, 1460 01:13:50,991 --> 01:13:52,602 covered by the First Amendment. 1461 01:13:52,776 --> 01:13:56,388 And just because two adults had consensual, 1462 01:13:56,562 --> 01:13:58,912 uh, interactions or relationships 1463 01:13:59,086 --> 01:14:02,612 and somehow it was perverted into this, it would be different today. 1464 01:14:02,786 --> 01:14:04,918 Nick Denton, the founder of Gawker Media, 1465 01:14:05,092 --> 01:14:08,487 stands by his company's decision to post that video. 1466 01:14:08,661 --> 01:14:10,184 This has got nothing to do with privacy. 1467 01:14:10,358 --> 01:14:12,491 Uh, this is all about publicity. 1468 01:14:12,665 --> 01:14:16,060 Uh, the sex tape had been talked about. Uh, he didn't like our story. 1469 01:14:16,234 --> 01:14:19,324 And another thing that Dan Abrams just said, I agree with, 1470 01:14:19,498 --> 01:14:23,154 and I've said from the get-go, they have to believe Hulk Hogan, 1471 01:14:23,328 --> 01:14:25,417 because if they decide they don't like Hulk 1472 01:14:25,591 --> 01:14:29,465 or they don't believe him, his entire case is right down 1473 01:14:29,639 --> 01:14:31,641 - the toilet. Everything. - Gawker want-- Gawker wanted-- 1474 01:14:31,815 --> 01:14:34,905 Bubba the Love Sponge's ex-wife, she's on the stand. 1475 01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:37,298 She says she is the real victim in this case. 1476 01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:38,561 Her name is Heather Cole. 1477 01:14:38,735 --> 01:14:39,910 She claims she had no idea 1478 01:14:40,084 --> 01:14:41,564 she was being recorded. 1479 01:14:41,738 --> 01:14:43,566 Guess it must have been the husband. 1480 01:14:43,740 --> 01:14:45,916 She was having sex with her husband's best friend 1481 01:14:46,090 --> 01:14:47,352 and had no idea she was being recorded. 1482 01:14:47,526 --> 01:14:49,267 Heather was Clem's wife. 1483 01:14:49,441 --> 01:14:51,312 Bubba Clem asked you, and do you recall 1484 01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:53,489 - what your answer was? - I said I would. 1485 01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:08,678 Come on. 1486 01:15:10,462 --> 01:15:11,550 I mean... 1487 01:15:14,901 --> 01:15:16,294 Please. 1488 01:15:17,077 --> 01:15:19,776 If this jury believes that Hulk Hogan is lying 1489 01:15:19,950 --> 01:15:21,604 about how this happened, 1490 01:15:21,778 --> 01:15:23,519 I think that could impact damages. 1491 01:15:23,693 --> 01:15:25,477 'Cause I've said again and again, if this juror ha-- 1492 01:15:25,651 --> 01:15:27,218 If these jurors hate Gawker, 1493 01:15:27,392 --> 01:15:28,741 that could be really dangerous for Gawker. 1494 01:15:28,915 --> 01:15:30,700 If these jurors don't like Hulk Hogan, 1495 01:15:30,874 --> 01:15:32,745 - that's not helpful for him either. - How about this-- 1496 01:15:33,485 --> 01:15:35,705 If I agree to do something that's lawful 1497 01:15:35,879 --> 01:15:37,663 and I put it on a piece of paper or a tape 1498 01:15:37,837 --> 01:15:40,623 and someone steals it, that's theft. 1499 01:15:40,797 --> 01:15:44,452 If that theft affects my life, that's damages. 1500 01:15:45,018 --> 01:15:46,367 That's punishable. 1501 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:49,327 That's actionable. I am at a loss. 1502 01:15:49,501 --> 01:15:52,373 Why we're here all these years later with a videotape, 1503 01:15:52,548 --> 01:15:56,247 and there was never a single person who was punished? 1504 01:15:56,421 --> 01:15:58,466 That's what's wrong with our justice system. 1505 01:16:11,175 --> 01:16:14,047 This is exactly the vindication that he and the lawyers wanted. 1506 01:16:14,221 --> 01:16:18,356 He's also been awarded $115 million by that jury. 1507 01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:21,359 It took them six hours of deliberation to reach this verdict. 1508 01:16:21,533 --> 01:16:24,057 And it was a very happy Hogan and his lawyer 1509 01:16:24,231 --> 01:16:26,712 that were outside the courtroom after the verdict was reached. 1510 01:16:26,886 --> 01:16:29,236 Mr. Bollea's exceptionally happy. 1511 01:16:29,410 --> 01:16:31,064 This is not only his victory today, 1512 01:16:31,238 --> 01:16:33,937 but also anyone else who's been victimized 1513 01:16:34,111 --> 01:16:37,114 by tabloid journalism. We're coming back Monday 1514 01:16:37,288 --> 01:16:39,638 for the rest of it, and we thank you all for your interest. 1515 01:16:39,812 --> 01:16:41,945 - There's absolutely no doubt that the decision we made... - Yeah. 1516 01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:45,513 - ...was absolutely correct. - If we were all in the same circumstances, 1517 01:16:45,688 --> 01:16:47,777 - how would we feel about it? - Did any of you think 1518 01:16:47,951 --> 01:16:50,344 - that he might have been behind that tape? - There's still no right 1519 01:16:50,518 --> 01:16:52,346 - to put that out there if he doesn't want it put out. - Right. 1520 01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,653 He's very charming on the stand, 1521 01:16:54,827 --> 01:16:57,700 um, but he's been shown to have lied on the stand 1522 01:16:57,874 --> 01:17:00,267 as much as-- uh, he's a charming liar. 1523 01:17:00,441 --> 01:17:02,095 We were a bunch of honest jerks. 1524 01:17:02,618 --> 01:17:05,011 You know, I may have fucked up a, a lot of pieces 1525 01:17:05,185 --> 01:17:06,839 in this puzzle, 1526 01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:08,711 but there's one thing that I didn't do. 1527 01:17:08,885 --> 01:17:11,975 I did not leak that tape. 1528 01:17:12,584 --> 01:17:16,457 I would have preferred that that tape stayed in my desk 1529 01:17:16,632 --> 01:17:18,329 and never been viewed by anybody. 1530 01:17:18,503 --> 01:17:20,766 And only three people in the world know about it. 1531 01:17:20,940 --> 01:17:23,856 Heather, Hogan and me. 1532 01:17:31,255 --> 01:17:33,518 It destroyed Bubba as much as it... 1533 01:17:33,692 --> 01:17:35,346 Well, uh, did it really destroy Hogan 1534 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,653 or did it make Hogan bigger and richer? 1535 01:17:37,827 --> 01:17:40,220 Bubba had so many levels of betrayal on this, 1536 01:17:40,394 --> 01:17:41,961 and, and Hogan knows it. 1537 01:17:42,135 --> 01:17:44,311 And so, you know, if Hogan's watching this, 1538 01:17:44,485 --> 01:17:47,010 I say to Hogan, "It's time to forgive." 1539 01:17:47,184 --> 01:17:50,143 Not only did he originally think that I leaked it, 1540 01:17:50,796 --> 01:17:53,059 but everybody thinks that I leaked it. 1541 01:17:53,233 --> 01:17:55,801 To this day. Ask anybody. 1542 01:17:56,367 --> 01:17:57,934 When Hogan approached me 1543 01:17:58,108 --> 01:18:01,285 about the screenshot that was on The Dirty... 1544 01:18:03,156 --> 01:18:04,027 ...um... 1545 01:18:05,637 --> 01:18:07,639 ...you know... I lied to him. 1546 01:18:08,118 --> 01:18:10,990 I lied to him because I was reckless. 1547 01:18:11,164 --> 01:18:15,081 I relied-- I lied to him because I was embarrassed. 1548 01:18:15,691 --> 01:18:17,475 If I could go back, 1549 01:18:17,649 --> 01:18:21,566 I would have never captivated that moment. 1550 01:18:21,740 --> 01:18:25,004 I would have never transferred it to a DVD. 1551 01:18:25,483 --> 01:18:28,878 I would have just let Terry and Heather enjoy themselves. 1552 01:18:29,052 --> 01:18:30,488 And that's all. 1553 01:18:35,798 --> 01:18:39,540 You know, receiving material that's been stolen from somebody 1554 01:18:39,715 --> 01:18:43,153 is, uh, is a big, uh, problem. 1555 01:18:43,327 --> 01:18:46,547 And, you know, if you're a journalist 1556 01:18:46,722 --> 01:18:50,726 and that material is the Pentagon Papers 1557 01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:52,640 or that material is something that has 1558 01:18:52,815 --> 01:18:55,034 tremendous journalism value 1559 01:18:55,208 --> 01:18:57,428 to the general public, 1560 01:18:57,602 --> 01:19:01,649 um, then you might think about publishing something 1561 01:19:01,824 --> 01:19:03,869 that has been, uh, you know, 1562 01:19:04,043 --> 01:19:07,960 taken, uh, without consent or without permission. 1563 01:19:08,134 --> 01:19:09,657 But something like this, 1564 01:19:09,832 --> 01:19:11,921 something personal that was stolen from someone, 1565 01:19:12,095 --> 01:19:15,098 um, you know, that-- that's the, that's the other thing 1566 01:19:15,272 --> 01:19:16,882 I think that would have kept me from publishing it, 1567 01:19:17,056 --> 01:19:19,624 was, was knowing that the material came to me 1568 01:19:19,798 --> 01:19:21,757 because it was stolen from someone. 1569 01:19:21,931 --> 01:19:25,108 Do you believe your battle with Gawker 1570 01:19:25,282 --> 01:19:26,849 has gotten lost behind the talk 1571 01:19:27,023 --> 01:19:30,026 of how much money the jury decided to award you? 1572 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:31,549 I don't think so. 1573 01:19:31,723 --> 01:19:34,857 I think the public feels the same way I did. 1574 01:19:35,031 --> 01:19:37,990 And so I think that makes, makes a huge statement. 1575 01:19:38,164 --> 01:19:40,123 "Is that a big enough number?" 1576 01:19:40,297 --> 01:19:45,171 Um, maybe not, but it should be a deterrent for anybody else 1577 01:19:45,345 --> 01:19:47,608 who ever tries to do anything like this not to do it, 1578 01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,785 that you will be held accountable. 1579 01:19:49,959 --> 01:19:52,744 It made me a little bit sick. I don't know how he can sleep at night 1580 01:19:52,918 --> 01:19:54,964 knowing that he's got the money for doing what he did. 1581 01:20:04,103 --> 01:20:08,194 Um, I would've been honest with Terry. 1582 01:20:08,934 --> 01:20:13,286 Not been a pussy, not been a s-- little scared bitch like I was. 1583 01:20:13,460 --> 01:20:16,942 And maybe the outcome would've been a little bit different. 1584 01:20:17,116 --> 01:20:19,727 Maybe I could've actually have participated 1585 01:20:19,902 --> 01:20:23,079 in getting the bad guys that did this 1586 01:20:23,253 --> 01:20:25,733 and still been the piece of shit that recorded it. 1587 01:20:25,908 --> 01:20:30,390 But maybe... be more on Terry's offensive side. 1588 01:20:30,913 --> 01:20:34,046 And, uh, if, if I had the opportunity 1589 01:20:34,220 --> 01:20:36,135 to tell him I was sorry, I would. 1590 01:20:54,850 --> 01:21:00,638 Keith Davidson... was a Hollywood attorney 1591 01:21:00,812 --> 01:21:06,035 that brokered... hush money gag-type agreements 1592 01:21:06,209 --> 01:21:10,648 between the people that were involved in these things 1593 01:21:10,822 --> 01:21:15,435 and the people that purported to be the owners of the material. 1594 01:21:15,609 --> 01:21:20,353 I get involved when a situation or a, uh, relationship has gone bad. 1595 01:21:20,527 --> 01:21:22,355 If you look historically, you know, 1596 01:21:22,529 --> 01:21:24,923 in any time in the US or any country, 1597 01:21:25,097 --> 01:21:27,926 there are folks who have been able to get in 1598 01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:30,973 as a part of what they do 1599 01:21:31,147 --> 01:21:33,627 in their profession is, is to be fixers. 1600 01:21:33,801 --> 01:21:36,065 That is when people get in a bind. 1601 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:38,415 They hire people to, to clean it up. 1602 01:21:38,589 --> 01:21:41,331 If you go back to the, you know, 1603 01:21:41,505 --> 01:21:43,811 the old-school sex tapes, 1604 01:21:44,290 --> 01:21:46,075 um, when they first started coming out 1605 01:21:46,249 --> 01:21:48,468 and they were, quote, unquote, "stolen" and things like that... 1606 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:54,518 Keith Davidson, he was behind a lot of this kind of nefarious stuff 1607 01:21:54,692 --> 01:21:56,912 that was going on on the fringes. 1608 01:21:57,086 --> 01:21:59,392 Their job is to go and try to make it better. 1609 01:21:59,566 --> 01:22:01,307 Now, there's a couple ways you can do that. 1610 01:22:01,481 --> 01:22:03,483 Number one is you lean on relationships. 1611 01:22:04,180 --> 01:22:08,401 Secondly, you, you have the people that you know 1612 01:22:08,575 --> 01:22:12,231 that you can call on to negotiate and broker deals. 1613 01:22:13,102 --> 01:22:14,886 When you look at people like this, 1614 01:22:15,060 --> 01:22:18,368 it's part of the fabric of our society. 1615 01:22:19,064 --> 01:22:21,545 And he had a long history of doing good work. 1616 01:22:22,241 --> 01:22:25,418 "Good work" means getting people's situations taken care of. 1617 01:22:26,637 --> 01:22:30,119 And in our case, his involvement was to solve a problem. 1618 01:22:30,902 --> 01:22:32,599 And that problem got solved. 1619 01:23:36,837 --> 01:23:37,751 Yeah. 1620 01:23:38,535 --> 01:23:41,364 Once it ends up on Gawker, then Keith Davidson, 1621 01:23:41,538 --> 01:23:44,454 on the behalf of Matt Loyd, calls David Houston, 1622 01:23:44,628 --> 01:23:47,239 who's Hulk Hogan's personal attorney, 1623 01:23:47,413 --> 01:23:50,199 to tell him that they have these DVDs 1624 01:23:50,373 --> 01:23:54,159 and they want $300,000 from Hulk Hogan for it. 1625 01:23:54,333 --> 01:23:57,728 So, then Hulk Hogan and his attorney contact the FBI. 1626 01:23:58,294 --> 01:24:01,079 The FBI records the next conversation 1627 01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:04,648 that Keith Davidson has with David Houston. 1628 01:24:05,301 --> 01:24:08,391 And then the FBI is there in Clearwater 1629 01:24:08,565 --> 01:24:12,786 when Keith Davidson shows up with a proxy sent by Matt Loyd 1630 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:17,052 to extort, extort Hulk Hogan, which completely goes awry. 1631 01:25:15,545 --> 01:25:16,546 Yeah. 1632 01:25:25,555 --> 01:25:30,473 So, on December 14th, 2012, I'm at the Penthouse Club 1633 01:25:30,647 --> 01:25:33,171 doing an appearance for the radio station with Brent. 1634 01:25:33,911 --> 01:25:37,784 That's when the FBI is doing their sting operation at the Sandpearl, 1635 01:25:37,958 --> 01:25:41,571 and Lori Burbrige and Keith Davidson are nose down, 1636 01:25:41,745 --> 01:25:43,355 being arrested, 1637 01:25:43,529 --> 01:25:46,837 and Matt Loyd has the audacity and the balls 1638 01:25:47,011 --> 01:25:49,013 to come into my personal appearance 1639 01:25:49,187 --> 01:25:51,450 and "Oh, Bubba, congratulations on being divorced. 1640 01:25:51,624 --> 01:25:53,757 Oh, Brent. Oh, hey, miss you guys. Miss you guys." 1641 01:25:53,931 --> 01:25:56,499 His wife is pregnant. His wife is pregnant. Tasha is pregnant. 1642 01:25:56,673 --> 01:25:58,414 Stayed about five or ten minutes. 1643 01:25:58,588 --> 01:26:01,286 While this sting is happening at the Sandpearl restaurant, 1644 01:26:01,460 --> 01:26:03,201 he then drives across the street 1645 01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:05,290 to the International Mall, International Plaza. 1646 01:26:05,464 --> 01:26:07,031 Real fucking fancy mall. 1647 01:26:07,205 --> 01:26:09,164 And that's where he ends up-- 1648 01:26:09,338 --> 01:26:11,296 the FBI ends up arresting him. 1649 01:26:11,470 --> 01:26:13,907 So, literally five to ten minutes 1650 01:26:14,081 --> 01:26:16,823 before he got arrested at the International Plaza mall, 1651 01:26:16,997 --> 01:26:20,958 he had came, came and said hi to me and Brent at the Penthouse Club. 1652 01:26:21,132 --> 01:26:24,353 That's how much of a maniacal motherfucker he is. 1653 01:26:25,571 --> 01:26:29,532 So, Matt Loyd steals the tape and he comes up with the dumbest plan ever. 1654 01:26:29,706 --> 01:26:32,883 So, they first go to TMZ, get 7500 bucks. 1655 01:26:33,057 --> 01:26:36,191 TMZ publishes nothing. They just talk about it on the air, 1656 01:26:36,365 --> 01:26:38,323 and they get Hulk Hogan on the air and talk about it. 1657 01:26:38,932 --> 01:26:43,154 So, then Loyd goes to Mike Calta at The Bone, 1658 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,202 who then contacts his agent, a guy named Tony Burton, 1659 01:26:47,376 --> 01:26:50,727 who works for Don Buchwald and Associates in New York City. 1660 01:26:50,901 --> 01:26:53,556 Tony Burton contacts Gawker, 1661 01:26:53,730 --> 01:26:56,341 an editor at Gawker named A.J. Daulerio. 1662 01:26:56,515 --> 01:27:01,346 Then Tony Burton sends an email to Calta of the address to send it to. 1663 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,610 And then the tape winds up with A.J. Daulerio... 1664 01:27:04,784 --> 01:27:08,614 on his desk, at the address that Tony Burton, 1665 01:27:08,788 --> 01:27:10,921 Calta's agent, emailed to Calta 1666 01:27:11,095 --> 01:27:13,445 and told Calta, "There's where to send the tape." 1667 01:27:14,011 --> 01:27:16,187 So, now it gets published on Gawker. 1668 01:27:16,883 --> 01:27:18,320 Not really worth anything. 1669 01:27:18,842 --> 01:27:20,670 I mean, other than causing Bubba problems, 1670 01:27:20,844 --> 01:27:22,324 which is what they wanted to do. 1671 01:27:22,498 --> 01:27:25,501 I think he was planning to leave 1672 01:27:25,675 --> 01:27:29,722 and planning to become a broadcaster in the market 1673 01:27:29,896 --> 01:27:31,637 and compete against Bubba. 1674 01:27:32,116 --> 01:27:34,553 And I think, before he left, 1675 01:27:34,727 --> 01:27:38,165 he started looking for material 1676 01:27:38,340 --> 01:27:39,950 that he had access to 1677 01:27:40,124 --> 01:27:42,344 that he thought he could use, 1678 01:27:42,518 --> 01:27:46,086 that could potentially put Bubba into a bad light. 1679 01:27:46,609 --> 01:27:49,002 The problem with their plan was... 1680 01:27:50,047 --> 01:27:54,138 ...Matt Loyd has no ability to really observe... anybody else 1681 01:27:54,312 --> 01:27:55,748 and understand who they are. 1682 01:27:55,922 --> 01:27:57,881 'Cause if you understand who Hulk Hogan is 1683 01:27:58,055 --> 01:27:59,926 and you've been around him for five minutes... 1684 01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:01,754 you know that that's not-- 1685 01:28:01,928 --> 01:28:05,323 that South Tampa motherfucker is not somebody 1686 01:28:05,497 --> 01:28:07,499 that you want to try to extort, 1687 01:28:07,673 --> 01:28:10,633 because you will never extort a dime out of fuckin' Hulk Hogan. 1688 01:28:23,820 --> 01:28:26,388 Now Hogan is looking to recover the balance of the damages 1689 01:28:26,562 --> 01:28:29,956 from the people he believes leaked and sold that video. 1690 01:28:30,130 --> 01:28:32,829 According to court records, it was a conspiracy 1691 01:28:33,003 --> 01:28:35,701 involving shock jock Mike Calta, Loyd, 1692 01:28:35,875 --> 01:28:38,269 Cox Radio and a few associates. 1693 01:28:38,791 --> 01:28:41,011 You know, after the Gawker case 1694 01:28:41,185 --> 01:28:45,276 and Hogan brought the case against Cox and Mike Calta... 1695 01:28:46,321 --> 01:28:49,236 ...that case never went to trial. 1696 01:28:50,237 --> 01:28:52,762 They filed that second amended complaint. 1697 01:28:52,936 --> 01:28:57,549 It had all of that data that showed the emails, 1698 01:28:57,723 --> 01:28:59,638 the telephone conversations, 1699 01:28:59,812 --> 01:29:02,902 dates, times, who, when, how, where. 1700 01:29:03,555 --> 01:29:07,559 Again, it became... uncontrovertible. 1701 01:29:07,733 --> 01:29:10,736 There was no question that they had it, 1702 01:29:10,910 --> 01:29:12,303 they distributed it, 1703 01:29:12,477 --> 01:29:14,653 and that many people knew about it. 1704 01:29:14,827 --> 01:29:16,960 Hogan says he was a victim of radio wars 1705 01:29:17,134 --> 01:29:19,092 between Bubba and those rivals 1706 01:29:19,266 --> 01:29:21,878 who wanted to eliminate Clem as competition. 1707 01:29:22,052 --> 01:29:24,707 And that there was a conspiracy. There was a plan. 1708 01:29:24,881 --> 01:29:28,145 And that plan was enacted to be able to remove Bubba, 1709 01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:30,365 to put Mike Calta in the morning spot 1710 01:29:30,539 --> 01:29:32,715 and Matt Loyd in the afternoon drive. 1711 01:29:32,889 --> 01:29:35,065 It's simple. That's, that's what it was. 1712 01:30:48,094 --> 01:30:50,793 All of that was put in place 1713 01:30:51,446 --> 01:30:55,188 so that they could get what they wanted, 1714 01:30:55,362 --> 01:30:57,843 and they leveraged, again, what other people wanted, 1715 01:30:58,017 --> 01:31:00,455 which was to have Bubba silenced. 1716 01:31:05,198 --> 01:31:07,766 Gloria has been on this from the beginning. Read the entire investigation. 1717 01:31:07,940 --> 01:31:10,073 - So, Gloria, what did you learn? - I learned a lot. 1718 01:31:10,247 --> 01:31:13,206 But keep in mind, on Friday, we first reported that the State Attorney's office 1719 01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:15,121 here in Hillsborough County decided 1720 01:31:15,295 --> 01:31:17,341 not to file any charges in this case, 1721 01:31:17,515 --> 01:31:19,909 and some are really questioning, "Why?" 1722 01:31:20,083 --> 01:31:22,302 In 2012, Davidson tried to broker a deal 1723 01:31:22,477 --> 01:31:24,740 between Hulk Hogan and Davidson's client, 1724 01:31:24,914 --> 01:31:26,959 who was trying to make money off a sex tape 1725 01:31:27,133 --> 01:31:30,354 showing Hogan having sex with his friend's wife. 1726 01:31:30,528 --> 01:31:32,704 Davidson wrote the confidential settlement agreement, 1727 01:31:32,878 --> 01:31:35,098 saying the sex video would be handed over 1728 01:31:35,272 --> 01:31:38,231 if Hogan paid his client $300,000. 1729 01:31:38,405 --> 01:31:40,538 Hogan's attorney called the FBI. 1730 01:31:40,712 --> 01:31:42,584 So, David Houston says 1731 01:31:43,193 --> 01:31:45,500 that the payment 1732 01:31:45,674 --> 01:31:48,764 to prevent the tapes from being released 1733 01:31:49,329 --> 01:31:51,288 is because it's damaging stuff, 1734 01:31:51,462 --> 01:31:53,116 and that by executing these agreements, 1735 01:31:53,290 --> 01:31:54,770 meaning the payment, 1736 01:31:54,944 --> 01:31:56,772 to prevent the tape from being released... 1737 01:31:57,816 --> 01:32:00,079 ...would allow Hulk Hogan to be-- get control 1738 01:32:00,253 --> 01:32:01,820 of those tapes and the videos. 1739 01:32:01,994 --> 01:32:06,042 It's, it's, it's clear throughout this conversation 1740 01:32:06,216 --> 01:32:08,523 that the point is to control the damage. 1741 01:32:08,697 --> 01:32:10,525 The extortion is designed 1742 01:32:10,699 --> 01:32:13,745 to make him pay to control the damage. 1743 01:32:13,919 --> 01:32:18,010 This is not a legitimate business transaction by any means. 1744 01:32:18,184 --> 01:32:20,230 Th-- this involves property that was stolen 1745 01:32:20,404 --> 01:32:22,406 from, from Bubba Clem, 1746 01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:25,931 property that, that is humiliating to 1747 01:32:26,105 --> 01:32:28,325 and embarrassing to the people depicted in the tape. 1748 01:32:28,499 --> 01:32:30,153 Hulk Hogan and Heather Clem. 1749 01:32:30,327 --> 01:32:32,155 It's not what this is. This is extortion. 1750 01:32:32,329 --> 01:32:33,939 Who released the video to Gawker? 1751 01:32:34,113 --> 01:32:36,725 And at any point, did you ask that it be taken down? 1752 01:32:36,899 --> 01:32:39,989 You know, the release of the video is kind of a long, complicated story. 1753 01:32:40,163 --> 01:32:44,036 We know it went from a DJ in Tampa to a fellow 1754 01:32:44,210 --> 01:32:46,212 - by the name of Tony Burton here in New York... - Yeah. 1755 01:32:46,386 --> 01:32:50,216 ...who then arranged to get it to A.J. Daulerio... at Gawker. 1756 01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:53,872 So, nothing good from this has happened in Bubba's life. 1757 01:32:54,046 --> 01:32:57,006 Since the day of the settlement, his life has continued 1758 01:32:57,180 --> 01:32:59,878 to go into a downward spiral, unfortunately. 1759 01:33:00,052 --> 01:33:03,708 Telling the truth in this situation didn't set you free like they say. 1760 01:33:03,882 --> 01:33:06,929 Tampa police revealed details of their investigation, 1761 01:33:07,103 --> 01:33:09,192 - and they are explosive. - Yeah. 1762 01:33:09,366 --> 01:33:11,368 Detectives say Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd 1763 01:33:11,542 --> 01:33:14,066 is behind it all. The former employee 1764 01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:16,765 of radio star Bubba the Love Sponge, they write, 1765 01:33:16,939 --> 01:33:20,943 quote, "stole several sex tape DVDs from Bubba's office." 1766 01:33:21,117 --> 01:33:25,034 Then they say, "Sold the clip to TMZ to," quote, "build interest." 1767 01:33:25,208 --> 01:33:28,646 And despite the feds having videotapes of it, 1768 01:33:28,820 --> 01:33:32,694 where Hulk Hogan was in a room next to it and money was being offered for the tape, 1769 01:33:32,868 --> 01:33:34,478 they don't do anything about it. 1770 01:33:34,652 --> 01:33:37,089 It seems to me that they've identified the person 1771 01:33:37,263 --> 01:33:39,396 who actually stole the tape. 1772 01:33:39,875 --> 01:33:41,920 Uh, they have, uh, clear evidence 1773 01:33:42,094 --> 01:33:43,705 of an extortion attempt. 1774 01:33:43,879 --> 01:33:47,186 When you have a case that's presented to prosecution 1775 01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,059 that's kind of, uh, gift-wrapped like this one, 1776 01:33:50,233 --> 01:33:53,279 you would think that they would, uh, aggressively pursue it. 1777 01:33:53,453 --> 01:33:56,369 So, I'm, I'm at a loss to explain this one. 1778 01:33:56,543 --> 01:33:59,068 It's offensive. It makes me so angry 1779 01:33:59,242 --> 01:34:02,332 to the core to this day that nothing was done 1780 01:34:02,506 --> 01:34:06,336 when you have a case on a silver platter served to the prosecutor. 1781 01:34:06,510 --> 01:34:09,818 In a lawsuit, Hulk Hogan alleges that Calta conspired 1782 01:34:09,992 --> 01:34:11,820 with other Cox employees 1783 01:34:11,994 --> 01:34:13,996 to leak a secretly-recorded sex video 1784 01:34:14,170 --> 01:34:15,737 with Bubba Clem's wife, 1785 01:34:15,911 --> 01:34:18,174 a video that ruined the wrestler's career. 1786 01:34:18,348 --> 01:34:22,265 You can still be charged under the conspiracy statute, 1787 01:34:22,787 --> 01:34:25,268 um, if you're part of this partnership 1788 01:34:25,442 --> 01:34:27,357 or you're part of this agreement, 1789 01:34:27,531 --> 01:34:30,186 you're part of, like, the group that is kind of working together. 1790 01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,798 Hillsborough State Attorney Mark Ober refuses to prosecute. 1791 01:34:33,972 --> 01:34:36,758 Ober says he isn't sure he can get a conviction. 1792 01:34:40,109 --> 01:34:43,547 But what is strange here is that there were arrests made. 1793 01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:48,334 And so, in my experience, uh, when the FBI makes arrests, 1794 01:34:48,508 --> 01:34:52,643 it's done in conjunction with conversations with the assigned prosecutor. 1795 01:34:53,470 --> 01:34:56,952 And so if the arrests are made, 1796 01:34:57,126 --> 01:34:59,128 but the case never proceeds to court, 1797 01:34:59,302 --> 01:35:00,999 something happened in the interim. 1798 01:35:02,435 --> 01:35:06,352 Whenever there were, uh, big events of other things, 1799 01:35:06,526 --> 01:35:09,399 the telephone calls and emails between Calta, 1800 01:35:09,573 --> 01:35:12,837 Cox executives and Tony Burton went up dramatically, 1801 01:35:13,011 --> 01:35:16,711 and they would be at pursuant to the information that's out there 1802 01:35:16,885 --> 01:35:18,538 all crazy times. 1803 01:35:18,713 --> 01:35:20,410 Late at night, early in the morning. 1804 01:35:20,584 --> 01:35:23,848 Clearly, people were aware of what the plan was. 1805 01:35:24,022 --> 01:35:28,505 I mean, Calta and Cox... they are the boogeyman. 1806 01:35:28,679 --> 01:35:30,333 They are the bad guys. 1807 01:35:30,507 --> 01:35:32,727 They're-- and they got away with it scot-free. 1808 01:35:32,901 --> 01:35:36,295 Other than the big paycheck they had to write Hogan to go away. 1809 01:35:36,469 --> 01:35:38,515 There was communications with all of those people. 1810 01:35:38,689 --> 01:35:40,343 Mike Calta, Cox, 1811 01:35:40,517 --> 01:35:43,694 various management of Cox, uh, Tony Burton. 1812 01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:49,047 And were communicating about how to manage that information 1813 01:35:49,221 --> 01:35:52,007 and what the plan was to do with it 1814 01:35:52,181 --> 01:35:55,271 to get the outcome that they looked to have. 1815 01:35:55,445 --> 01:35:58,491 Mike Calta's ultimate goal was to get me thrown off mornings 1816 01:35:58,665 --> 01:36:02,713 on 102.5, The Bone, because he wanted that job. 1817 01:36:02,887 --> 01:36:05,237 That's the prestigious job to have, 1818 01:36:05,411 --> 01:36:07,109 uh, and he wanted to do mornings. 1819 01:36:07,283 --> 01:36:10,982 He could never-- he doesn't have the talent or the ability 1820 01:36:11,156 --> 01:36:13,898 to get that job on his own, so he had to take it from me. 1821 01:36:14,072 --> 01:36:15,378 I'm more flabbergasted 1822 01:36:15,552 --> 01:36:18,555 that Mike Calta is still employed by Cox. 1823 01:36:18,729 --> 01:36:21,906 I mean, I don't understand how any of these people 1824 01:36:22,385 --> 01:36:28,783 keep their jobs when they're clearly brokering stolen... product. 1825 01:36:28,957 --> 01:36:33,526 Yes, TPD, um, did reach out to me, and they were great. 1826 01:36:33,700 --> 01:36:36,355 The detective on this case, Detective Schlemmer, 1827 01:36:36,834 --> 01:36:39,489 was just unbelievable. 1828 01:36:39,663 --> 01:36:41,360 There were several attorneys that went on to say 1829 01:36:41,534 --> 01:36:44,537 that this was one of the most thorough, wrapped-up cases 1830 01:36:44,711 --> 01:36:47,366 they'd ever seen. It was gift-wrapped. 1831 01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:51,109 Every T was crossed, every I was was dot-- was dotted. 1832 01:36:51,283 --> 01:36:55,635 And Detective Schlemmer just really put a lot of time and effort into this. 1833 01:36:55,810 --> 01:36:59,074 And he really, really felt strongly about this. 1834 01:36:59,857 --> 01:37:02,033 I was at the racetrack, getting the track ready, 1835 01:37:02,207 --> 01:37:04,166 and my, and my phone rings, and, and he just said, 1836 01:37:04,340 --> 01:37:06,777 "Hey, I, I got, I got horrible news. 1837 01:37:06,951 --> 01:37:08,823 Um, these cases mean 1838 01:37:08,997 --> 01:37:11,913 as much to me as a detective as they do to the victims. 1839 01:37:12,087 --> 01:37:15,612 And when I have something that I feel so strongly about, 1840 01:37:15,786 --> 01:37:19,529 uh, get no process, or get chucked out to the weeds, or not taken..." 1841 01:37:19,703 --> 01:37:22,097 He goes, "You know, I take it seriously too. 1842 01:37:22,271 --> 01:37:25,013 And I've been told by the state attorney that they're gonna, 1843 01:37:25,187 --> 01:37:28,538 uh, file no charges on Spice Boy/Matt Loyd. 1844 01:37:28,712 --> 01:37:31,802 Um, and, uh, there's really nothing you can do about it." 1845 01:37:34,457 --> 01:37:38,330 Mark Ober, the p-- the highest lawman of this area, 1846 01:37:38,504 --> 01:37:40,680 the, the state attorney 1847 01:37:40,855 --> 01:37:43,640 who decides who gets prosecuted, who doesn't, 1848 01:37:43,814 --> 01:37:46,556 uh, he's the one that has determined that I, 1849 01:37:46,730 --> 01:37:49,733 at that particular time and period, didn't have any rights. 1850 01:37:50,212 --> 01:37:52,040 I don't, I don't, I don't roll around Tampa 1851 01:37:52,214 --> 01:37:54,303 with the same rights that the average person does. 1852 01:37:54,477 --> 01:37:57,697 So, yes, my rights in this town are completely smashed. 1853 01:37:58,263 --> 01:38:00,831 Um, I have no rights in this town. 1854 01:38:14,192 --> 01:38:17,195 Well, the odds of winning when you're on trial 1855 01:38:17,369 --> 01:38:20,024 against the local municipality or the US government, 1856 01:38:20,198 --> 01:38:22,766 you know, uh, they don't go to trial unless they're gonna win. 1857 01:38:22,940 --> 01:38:24,550 They have huge percentages. 1858 01:38:24,724 --> 01:38:28,337 I'm 4-0 with jury trials 1859 01:38:28,511 --> 01:38:30,426 because when I get in front of a jury, 1860 01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,342 the group of people, my peers within my community, 1861 01:38:33,516 --> 01:38:35,257 they know how bad I'm getting fucked with. 1862 01:38:35,431 --> 01:38:37,259 They know this is a shakedown. 1863 01:38:37,433 --> 01:38:40,479 When all the evidence comes out, they realize, "You know what? 1864 01:38:40,653 --> 01:38:44,440 This is just, this is just the government fucking with Bubba the Love sponge." 1865 01:38:44,614 --> 01:38:48,661 Essentially, what happened is that Brian Albritton 1866 01:38:48,835 --> 01:38:52,404 was the former US Attorney for the Tampa office. 1867 01:38:53,144 --> 01:38:55,190 And when he left the government, 1868 01:38:55,364 --> 01:38:57,322 uh, he then represented 1869 01:38:57,496 --> 01:39:00,978 Keith Davidson in a pending federal investigation 1870 01:39:01,152 --> 01:39:04,416 involving the Tampa US Attorney's Office... 1871 01:39:05,852 --> 01:39:08,725 ...which was then leading-- being led by, by Robert O'Neil, 1872 01:39:08,899 --> 01:39:10,770 who, when Brian Albritton 1873 01:39:10,945 --> 01:39:13,599 was the US Attorney, was his top deputy. 1874 01:39:13,773 --> 01:39:16,776 Okay, so what I'm describing there is what's called the revolving door, 1875 01:39:16,951 --> 01:39:18,996 where, where people leave the government, 1876 01:39:19,170 --> 01:39:20,302 go into private practice, 1877 01:39:20,476 --> 01:39:22,173 but then on the other side, 1878 01:39:22,347 --> 01:39:24,610 engage with their former government agency. 1879 01:39:24,784 --> 01:39:27,526 And when you have someone that's been in your seat, 1880 01:39:27,700 --> 01:39:31,226 been a former prosecutor that understands the other side too, 1881 01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:33,054 and is now gonna point out to you 1882 01:39:33,228 --> 01:39:35,491 the flaws in your case that you know exist, 1883 01:39:35,665 --> 01:39:39,190 but when they say it to you, it amplifies and echoes in your head and you go, 1884 01:39:39,364 --> 01:39:42,411 "I don't wanna be publicly embarrassed." 1885 01:39:42,585 --> 01:39:44,717 It's an easy thing also 1886 01:39:44,891 --> 01:39:48,983 when you find that victim in your mind unsavory. 1887 01:39:50,636 --> 01:39:54,989 Yeah, it's, uh-- any sane-minded person 1888 01:39:55,163 --> 01:39:57,817 will look and see and say, "Something, 1889 01:39:58,470 --> 01:40:00,342 something ain't right in the mix." 1890 01:40:00,516 --> 01:40:04,259 One of the best things that you can do as a defendant 1891 01:40:04,737 --> 01:40:08,132 is to connect with someone who has the eyes, ears, 1892 01:40:08,306 --> 01:40:12,006 hearts and... minds of the prosecuting authority. 1893 01:40:12,484 --> 01:40:15,531 So, when you had a situation with Keith Davidson... 1894 01:40:16,532 --> 01:40:19,100 ...who's not a dumb guy... 1895 01:40:19,622 --> 01:40:20,797 Very savvy. 1896 01:40:21,276 --> 01:40:22,929 Got really good counsel. 1897 01:40:23,495 --> 01:40:26,542 So, if you're going to look to try to avoid 1898 01:40:26,716 --> 01:40:30,459 a criminal prosecution in a federal case... 1899 01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:33,201 ...who's the best lawyer? 1900 01:40:33,375 --> 01:40:37,683 Who's the best fit to broker an explanation 1901 01:40:37,857 --> 01:40:41,818 of what happened to not get indicted? 1902 01:40:42,732 --> 01:40:44,690 Oh, I-- I know. 1903 01:40:44,864 --> 01:40:46,214 The former US Attorney. 1904 01:40:49,478 --> 01:40:51,958 He laid out a wonderfully written-- 1905 01:40:52,133 --> 01:40:57,790 I mean, it was... 50 pages of the background 1906 01:40:57,964 --> 01:41:03,405 of all the dirt and bad problems that Bubba's had. 1907 01:41:04,101 --> 01:41:06,451 It made him sound someone that couldn't be trusted. 1908 01:41:06,625 --> 01:41:08,366 The way that he was able to craft, 1909 01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:11,978 as good lawyers do, that story, 1910 01:41:12,936 --> 01:41:17,680 to a fellow coworker who's now the US Attorney... 1911 01:41:17,854 --> 01:41:21,379 "Hey, I've been in your shoes. You want to take a pass on this. 1912 01:41:21,553 --> 01:41:25,427 This is why. And you can trust me 'cause you and I, 1913 01:41:25,601 --> 01:41:28,299 US Attorney, former US Attorney, the current US Attorney, 1914 01:41:28,473 --> 01:41:30,084 go back three decades. 1915 01:41:30,736 --> 01:41:32,477 You don't want any of this." 1916 01:41:32,651 --> 01:41:34,871 Now, the state attorney's office did release a statement to us 1917 01:41:35,045 --> 01:41:38,440 a short time ago, saying, quote, "We reviewed the case in great detail. 1918 01:41:38,614 --> 01:41:42,183 The TPD report is only part of the overall investigation. 1919 01:41:42,357 --> 01:41:44,663 We came to the conclusion that we had 1920 01:41:44,837 --> 01:41:48,841 no reasonable expectation of success in prosecution." 1921 01:41:49,015 --> 01:41:52,280 Now, Bubba also reached out to us earlier today, saying, 1922 01:41:52,454 --> 01:41:55,021 quote, "I think my rights have been violated, 1923 01:41:55,196 --> 01:41:56,501 but who's gonna listen to me? 1924 01:41:56,675 --> 01:41:59,939 Nobody can fight the good old boy network." 1925 01:42:05,031 --> 01:42:08,948 And the good old boy network is just the good old boys. 1926 01:42:09,123 --> 01:42:13,562 The, the state attorney, and the sheriff, and the mayor, and the-- 1927 01:42:13,736 --> 01:42:17,348 they all meet, you know, on Friday nights, uh, down at the Dominoes Club. 1928 01:42:17,522 --> 01:42:22,353 And, uh, you know, this, this in-- influential, uh, entrepreneur, 1929 01:42:22,527 --> 01:42:26,357 and this business owner. And everybody's got an insider 1930 01:42:26,531 --> 01:42:29,839 to people that make, you know, very important decisions. 1931 01:42:30,013 --> 01:42:32,624 Some of those decisions involve, you know, whether or not 1932 01:42:32,798 --> 01:42:34,757 to press charges on somebody. 1933 01:42:34,931 --> 01:42:36,498 That's the good old boy network. 1934 01:42:36,672 --> 01:42:40,154 And... it's a tough network to crack. 1935 01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:42,591 And Bubba's real problem-- 1936 01:42:42,765 --> 01:42:45,115 when we get down to the brass tacks of it all, 1937 01:42:45,289 --> 01:42:49,119 Bubba's real problem was he's on the public airwaves 1938 01:42:49,293 --> 01:42:53,776 in Tampa, holding local public officials accountable. 1939 01:42:53,950 --> 01:42:56,605 And lots of different times. 1940 01:42:56,779 --> 01:42:58,476 From the state attorney and Mark Ober. 1941 01:42:58,650 --> 01:43:01,305 Bubba was a big critic of Tampa's city council. 1942 01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:03,786 He was a big critic of the mayor's office. 1943 01:43:04,265 --> 01:43:07,181 This is a tale as old as time itself. 1944 01:43:08,399 --> 01:43:11,620 And if you're on the inside, 1945 01:43:11,794 --> 01:43:13,752 that means, with relationships, 1946 01:43:13,926 --> 01:43:17,016 you get that very important thing called information. 1947 01:43:17,191 --> 01:43:21,412 You can trade stocks with it. You can buy land with it. 1948 01:43:21,586 --> 01:43:23,458 You can make investments with it. 1949 01:43:24,110 --> 01:43:27,026 You can make decisions to join or not join a company. 1950 01:43:27,592 --> 01:43:29,899 All that comes from that information, 1951 01:43:30,073 --> 01:43:33,076 and that information is shared by the people that have it. 1952 01:43:33,250 --> 01:43:37,733 Bubba's career as a disc jockey has always put him 1953 01:43:37,907 --> 01:43:40,692 on the outside of the good old boy network. 1954 01:43:40,866 --> 01:43:45,393 Why? Because he's a little bit like a scorched earth guy. 1955 01:43:45,567 --> 01:43:48,396 Anything in his path gets burnt to the ground. 1956 01:43:48,570 --> 01:43:51,790 Now, the good news is, when he's right 1957 01:43:51,964 --> 01:43:55,838 and brings the bright light of his radio show 1958 01:43:56,012 --> 01:43:58,101 to focus on an injustice, 1959 01:43:58,971 --> 01:44:00,103 it works. 1960 01:44:00,886 --> 01:44:04,760 But along the way, he's got a wagon full of enemies. 1961 01:44:05,456 --> 01:44:07,589 They're waiting for him to trip up, 1962 01:44:08,285 --> 01:44:12,202 step out, make a mistake so they can pounce. 1963 01:44:12,376 --> 01:44:14,900 You know, really, my problem started 1964 01:44:15,074 --> 01:44:17,468 when I questioned Mark Ober 1965 01:44:17,642 --> 01:44:21,907 in his lack of prosecution, uh, over, over a couple of kids 1966 01:44:22,081 --> 01:44:23,909 that could have been charged as adults, 1967 01:44:24,083 --> 01:44:26,477 but he chose to charge as juveniles. 1968 01:44:26,651 --> 01:44:30,438 So, God forbid that you're allowed to question anybody. 1969 01:44:30,612 --> 01:44:33,484 And if you question anybody or anybody powerful enough 1970 01:44:33,658 --> 01:44:36,618 around this good old boy network town, 1971 01:44:36,792 --> 01:44:39,229 then you just get put in the bad guy list 1972 01:44:39,403 --> 01:44:41,753 and they fuck with you nonstop. 1973 01:44:41,927 --> 01:44:43,842 And that's where all of this has started. 1974 01:44:44,016 --> 01:44:45,801 I mean, that's where the lack of prosecution 1975 01:44:45,975 --> 01:44:48,325 for Calta and Spice Boy started. 1976 01:44:48,499 --> 01:44:51,285 I mean, this whole sex tape. It-- it's a no-brainer. 1977 01:44:52,764 --> 01:44:54,810 In this case, you had a US Attorney 1978 01:44:55,289 --> 01:44:57,029 on one criminal charge. 1979 01:44:57,508 --> 01:45:01,817 You had a state attorney with a long history of dislike. 1980 01:45:20,923 --> 01:45:23,578 Come on, Mark. Mark. 1981 01:45:23,752 --> 01:45:27,582 'Cause he'd literally been taking body punches by Bubba 1982 01:45:27,756 --> 01:45:32,021 from, from 6:00... till 10:00 for, for a decade. 1983 01:45:32,935 --> 01:45:35,329 And the problem was, for him, he knew 1984 01:45:35,503 --> 01:45:38,288 and Bubba knew that Bubba was right. 1985 01:45:38,462 --> 01:45:41,596 Go after the people that didn't tape it. 1986 01:45:41,770 --> 01:45:44,860 It's my house. I-- My surveillance system taped it. 1987 01:45:45,034 --> 01:45:46,427 I'm certainly not proud of that. 1988 01:45:46,601 --> 01:45:48,167 I certainly have some onus in this. 1989 01:45:48,342 --> 01:45:50,300 I certainly got some skin in this game. 1990 01:45:50,474 --> 01:45:53,956 But how about the people that stole it and then shopped it 1991 01:45:54,130 --> 01:45:56,611 for two years for millions of dollars in Hollywood, 1992 01:45:56,785 --> 01:45:59,831 and then ultimately actually took Hulk Hogan 1993 01:46:00,005 --> 01:46:03,922 to a hotel room and tried to shake him down for $300,000? 1994 01:46:04,096 --> 01:46:06,490 How about those people? Isn't-- It's... 1995 01:46:06,664 --> 01:46:08,449 No, those people don't get arrested. 1996 01:46:08,623 --> 01:46:10,929 Those people don't-- those people get rewarded. 1997 01:46:11,103 --> 01:46:13,454 Those people get rewarded. 1998 01:46:14,193 --> 01:46:16,935 And if you are going to live that life, 1999 01:46:17,109 --> 01:46:18,415 if you're gonna be the guy 2000 01:46:18,589 --> 01:46:20,504 who's gonna be a gotcha journalist, 2001 01:46:21,157 --> 01:46:22,680 you better not make a mistake. 2002 01:46:23,464 --> 01:46:27,163 'Cause when you make a mistake... 2003 01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:32,255 all the people that you've shown to be frauds, 2004 01:46:32,429 --> 01:46:34,866 all the people that you've shown to be incorrect, 2005 01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,130 all the people, where you've unearthed corruption... 2006 01:46:39,393 --> 01:46:42,004 As they say, you better be better than Caesar's wife. 2007 01:46:43,701 --> 01:46:47,444 When Bubba had a misstep... 2008 01:46:47,618 --> 01:46:49,054 it was times 100. 2009 01:46:49,533 --> 01:46:51,230 When Bubba was wronged... 2010 01:46:52,536 --> 01:46:54,016 ...no one sent the cavalry. 2011 01:47:04,766 --> 01:47:07,116 "Ye who has the gold makes the rules." 2012 01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:10,511 You know, they don't make these things up because they're not true. 2013 01:47:10,989 --> 01:47:16,647 It's just not surprising at all to see how people exercise 2014 01:47:16,821 --> 01:47:20,085 their ability, with power and influence, 2015 01:47:20,259 --> 01:47:24,438 to exercise control over somebody that they view 2016 01:47:24,612 --> 01:47:28,485 is using their power and control against them. 2017 01:47:29,486 --> 01:47:31,009 It's human nature. 2018 01:47:31,183 --> 01:47:33,229 As prosecutors too, 2019 01:47:33,403 --> 01:47:35,840 you're always trying to look at an angle. 2020 01:47:36,014 --> 01:47:38,234 How can you get some leverage? 2021 01:47:38,713 --> 01:47:43,457 2017, they're looking to get Donald Trump for anything. 2022 01:47:44,022 --> 01:47:46,590 So, what they did was they, they go to Keith Davidson. 2023 01:47:46,764 --> 01:47:48,679 These payments come up in the press, 2024 01:47:48,853 --> 01:47:51,813 with Storm-- Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal, 2025 01:47:52,422 --> 01:47:55,294 and they see the name Keith Davidson. They look and they say, 2026 01:47:55,469 --> 01:47:58,515 "We've got a nol-pros on this guy from an extortion case." 2027 01:47:58,689 --> 01:48:01,431 And the statute of limitations is ten years. How does it even run? 2028 01:48:01,997 --> 01:48:04,521 We can go back and leverage this and say, 2029 01:48:04,695 --> 01:48:06,480 "Hey, here's your two choices. 2030 01:48:06,654 --> 01:48:09,308 You can give us Michael Cohen, or you can go to Leavenworth." 2031 01:48:09,787 --> 01:48:11,572 For extorting Hulk Hogan. 2032 01:48:12,311 --> 01:48:16,011 When Keith Davidson was arrested in Tampa, 2033 01:48:16,968 --> 01:48:19,754 when they didn't charge him, when a period of-- 2034 01:48:19,928 --> 01:48:22,452 uh, the statute of limitations was open. 2035 01:48:23,671 --> 01:48:27,762 Does it make sense that someone comes back to him 2036 01:48:28,284 --> 01:48:29,938 to say, "You know what?" 2037 01:48:30,504 --> 01:48:33,550 And then he gets involved with you know who 2038 01:48:34,116 --> 01:48:36,074 to get where they needed to go 2039 01:48:36,248 --> 01:48:38,860 by using pressure that's used 2040 01:48:39,034 --> 01:48:42,603 every day in any town in USA on criminal defendants 2041 01:48:42,777 --> 01:48:44,518 so the prosecuting authority 2042 01:48:44,692 --> 01:48:48,347 can get a conviction through cooperation. 2043 01:48:49,261 --> 01:48:51,829 Asha, you heard the president. He is angry. 2044 01:48:52,003 --> 01:48:54,876 CNN is reporting the raids on Michael Cohen's hotel room, his office. 2045 01:48:55,050 --> 01:48:58,053 The Wall Street Journal is reporting a raid at one of his homes as well. 2046 01:48:58,227 --> 01:49:02,405 Because they're trying to get their head around how did defendant Cohen-- 2047 01:49:02,579 --> 01:49:05,234 how did he get to where he was? 2048 01:49:05,408 --> 01:49:07,976 How did they get his cooperation? 2049 01:49:08,150 --> 01:49:10,369 What "leverage" did they have? 2050 01:49:11,283 --> 01:49:14,678 This would've been executed pursuant to a search warrant, 2051 01:49:14,852 --> 01:49:19,378 which means that the FBI obtained permission from a judge 2052 01:49:19,553 --> 01:49:21,555 to enter these facilities. 2053 01:49:21,729 --> 01:49:23,992 They would have had to show probable cause 2054 01:49:24,166 --> 01:49:28,605 that in these locations and in specified places, documents, devices, 2055 01:49:28,779 --> 01:49:31,347 they were going to find evidence of a crime. 2056 01:49:31,521 --> 01:49:34,872 It's interesting, you start pulling on that, on that string, on that thread, 2057 01:49:35,046 --> 01:49:38,441 and it takes you from the DC area 2058 01:49:39,094 --> 01:49:42,532 to the Tampa Bay area, and there's a big question mark. 2059 01:49:43,141 --> 01:49:47,624 We have learned the FBI seized voice recordings made by Michael Cohen 2060 01:49:47,798 --> 01:49:50,975 of his conversations, at least some of his conversation, 2061 01:49:51,149 --> 01:49:52,934 with attorney Keith Davidson. 2062 01:49:53,108 --> 01:49:55,632 Remember that four of the five cases 2063 01:49:55,806 --> 01:49:59,593 that you just learned about, well, they involve, of course, 2064 01:49:59,767 --> 01:50:02,247 - or at least are connected to, Donald Trump. - Yeah. 2065 01:50:02,421 --> 01:50:05,207 How did Keith Davidson become a corroborating witness? 2066 01:50:05,381 --> 01:50:08,906 Why is his name redacted on other court filings? 2067 01:50:09,428 --> 01:50:11,082 Why is he walking free? 2068 01:50:11,605 --> 01:50:13,737 Why did other people get charged? 2069 01:50:13,911 --> 01:50:15,521 How did that lead to the former president? 2070 01:50:27,664 --> 01:50:30,449 You can always tell when Michael Cohen is lying. You know how? 2071 01:50:30,972 --> 01:50:32,495 His lips are moving. 2072 01:50:59,304 --> 01:51:03,918 A lot of people in Trump world could not get their head around the fact 2073 01:51:04,092 --> 01:51:07,617 that Michael Cohen, who was a devout Trump supporter, 2074 01:51:07,791 --> 01:51:11,882 someone that Trump leaned on, someone that was really a right-hand man, 2075 01:51:12,056 --> 01:51:14,711 someone that was able-- to have his back... 2076 01:51:15,712 --> 01:51:17,148 ...for a long time. 2077 01:51:19,281 --> 01:51:21,805 Everybody-- you know, you go online, you go to these chat rooms 2078 01:51:21,979 --> 01:51:24,460 and you go, "Who got to Cohen? 2079 01:51:25,417 --> 01:51:27,724 How did they get to Cohen?" You know, who is "they"? 2080 01:51:27,898 --> 01:51:31,249 We don't know who "they" is other than there is sort of 2081 01:51:31,423 --> 01:51:34,731 out in the ether that, how do you take a loyalist... 2082 01:51:35,819 --> 01:51:37,168 how do you flip 'em? 2083 01:51:37,952 --> 01:51:40,432 Uh, I think the FBI was probably looking at Michael Cohen 2084 01:51:40,606 --> 01:51:43,000 to find any potential crime 2085 01:51:43,174 --> 01:51:46,003 that they could then use to leverage against him 2086 01:51:46,177 --> 01:51:49,137 to get him to make false testimony against Donald Trump. 2087 01:51:49,311 --> 01:51:51,617 Their ultimate goal was never Michael Cohen. 2088 01:51:51,792 --> 01:51:55,970 They just correctly identified him as the, as the weak reed, 2089 01:51:56,144 --> 01:51:57,754 somebody who could be flipped. 2090 01:51:57,928 --> 01:51:59,408 And of course they were right. 2091 01:51:59,887 --> 01:52:02,933 And then you go back to Keith Davidson and you go, 2092 01:52:03,107 --> 01:52:05,936 "Well, what was Keith Davidson's relationship to Cohen 2093 01:52:06,110 --> 01:52:07,764 and how long did they know each other?" 2094 01:52:07,938 --> 01:52:11,550 And then you go back to our little case 2095 01:52:12,247 --> 01:52:15,380 in Tampa, Florida, and you go, "I remember 2096 01:52:15,554 --> 01:52:20,516 when Keith Davidson was arrested. What was he arrested for?" 2097 01:52:20,690 --> 01:52:25,173 "Oh, that was connection to a videotape between Hulk Hogan, 2098 01:52:25,347 --> 01:52:28,785 the most famous wrestler in the history of the world." 2099 01:52:32,093 --> 01:52:33,747 The non-prosecution of Keith Davidson 2100 01:52:33,921 --> 01:52:37,054 and his other co-conspirators... 2101 01:52:37,228 --> 01:52:40,841 ...is a great, huge of-- stroke of luck for the federal government 2102 01:52:41,015 --> 01:52:44,018 because they have this in their back pocket to use as leverage 2103 01:52:44,192 --> 01:52:47,238 against Keith Davidson to flip on Michael Cohen 2104 01:52:47,761 --> 01:52:49,501 l-- later down the line. 2105 01:52:50,154 --> 01:52:52,983 The way that they operate is to just hold that in their back pocket, 2106 01:52:53,157 --> 01:52:56,073 because, maybe, one, they'll need it-- they'll need to use it against you, 2107 01:52:56,247 --> 01:52:59,424 or as a, as a lever, but maybe they won't. 2108 01:52:59,598 --> 01:53:00,991 And this time, they needed it. 2109 01:53:01,165 --> 01:53:03,167 And I, and I think, on some level, 2110 01:53:03,341 --> 01:53:04,865 that the US Attorney's Office figured 2111 01:53:05,039 --> 01:53:06,518 that this guy who's been involved 2112 01:53:06,692 --> 01:53:09,434 in the edges of legal activity... 2113 01:53:09,608 --> 01:53:11,915 "I think that holding this prosecution in our back pocket 2114 01:53:12,089 --> 01:53:15,571 might end up bearing fruit," which it did, in spades. 2115 01:53:15,745 --> 01:53:18,226 Keith Davidson, former attorney for two women 2116 01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,664 who were paid to keep quiet about their alleged affairs with Donald Trump, 2117 01:53:21,838 --> 01:53:24,667 is cooperating with federal authorities 2118 01:53:24,841 --> 01:53:27,235 who are investigating Trump attorney Michael Cohen. 2119 01:53:27,409 --> 01:53:29,280 Davidson has been asked by prosecutors 2120 01:53:29,454 --> 01:53:30,673 in the Southern District of New York 2121 01:53:30,847 --> 01:53:33,458 to provide electronic information. 2122 01:53:33,632 --> 01:53:36,157 According to his spokesman, quote, "He has done so 2123 01:53:36,331 --> 01:53:39,421 and will continue to co-operate to the fullest extent possible 2124 01:53:39,595 --> 01:53:40,814 under the law." 2125 01:53:41,858 --> 01:53:43,904 When lawyers have lawyers, it's bad. 2126 01:53:44,078 --> 01:53:47,908 When lawyers have lawyers who have spokesmen... 2127 01:53:49,083 --> 01:53:50,693 ...go ahead and set yourself on fire. 2128 01:53:50,867 --> 01:53:53,087 Uh, I think it's very apparent from the indictment 2129 01:53:53,261 --> 01:53:55,002 that Cohen flipped on Trump, 2130 01:53:55,176 --> 01:53:57,091 because the government had the goods on him 2131 01:53:57,265 --> 01:53:58,875 in terms of multiple crimes, 2132 01:53:59,049 --> 01:54:01,138 including crimes connected to, 2133 01:54:01,312 --> 01:54:03,749 uh, the financing of his taxicab business 2134 01:54:03,924 --> 01:54:06,274 and other tax-related crimes. 2135 01:54:06,448 --> 01:54:08,580 And they leveraged them against Cohen to get him 2136 01:54:08,754 --> 01:54:11,888 to flip on Trump and try to save his own hide. 2137 01:54:12,410 --> 01:54:15,196 How did Keith Davidson become a corroborating witness? 2138 01:54:15,370 --> 01:54:18,677 Why is his name redacted on other court filings? 2139 01:54:34,650 --> 01:54:36,217 Why is he walking free? 2140 01:54:36,826 --> 01:54:38,915 Why did other people get charged? 2141 01:54:39,089 --> 01:54:41,091 How did that lead to the former president? 2142 01:54:44,878 --> 01:54:47,750 You know, it's dog-eat-dog. 2143 01:54:47,924 --> 01:54:50,884 You know, it's survival of the fittest. 2144 01:54:51,058 --> 01:54:55,236 You know, we see it in, you know, politics today. 2145 01:54:55,410 --> 01:54:59,457 You know, people are utilizing their control and influence 2146 01:54:59,631 --> 01:55:02,721 to affect people that aren't in line 2147 01:55:02,896 --> 01:55:05,942 with what they want to control or influence. 2148 01:55:06,551 --> 01:55:08,336 A lot of people are surprised when I tell them 2149 01:55:08,510 --> 01:55:10,816 as I lecture around the country, 2150 01:55:10,991 --> 01:55:15,038 and I say that cops can lie to you. 2151 01:55:15,212 --> 01:55:18,389 Some people in public believe, if you think it's an undercover cop 2152 01:55:18,563 --> 01:55:21,001 and you're in some sort of drug deal, that if you say, 2153 01:55:21,175 --> 01:55:23,786 "Are you an undercover cop?", the cop has to tell you that they are. 2154 01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,571 "Oh, you got me." Well, that's not true. 2155 01:55:27,833 --> 01:55:29,879 And there have been books 2156 01:55:30,053 --> 01:55:33,665 and, and, and thousands of court decisions 2157 01:55:33,839 --> 01:55:37,060 that have allowed law enforcement officers 2158 01:55:37,234 --> 01:55:41,282 to be dishonest with potential criminal defendants 2159 01:55:41,456 --> 01:55:43,197 to get them to confess. 2160 01:55:43,806 --> 01:55:45,199 There's a limit to that. 2161 01:55:46,504 --> 01:55:49,812 But we, as Americans, go, "Well, we kind of like it 2162 01:55:49,986 --> 01:55:51,292 when our streets are safe." 2163 01:55:51,466 --> 01:55:54,121 And we'll give them more tools 2164 01:55:54,295 --> 01:55:55,905 to make sure that we're safe. 2165 01:55:57,428 --> 01:56:01,345 All that's well and good until someone knocks on your door 2166 01:56:02,259 --> 01:56:06,176 or comes to your house in Palm Beach with flashbangs at 3:00 in the morning 2167 01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:09,484 with 25 FBI on the back of their back 2168 01:56:09,658 --> 01:56:12,356 to arrest a 70-year-old, Roger Stone. 2169 01:56:16,012 --> 01:56:18,972 Many times, the person who is the subject 2170 01:56:19,146 --> 01:56:21,975 of a criminal investigation... You say, "How is this-- 2171 01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:24,716 There's no way this person would ever flip. 2172 01:56:24,890 --> 01:56:26,457 They'd never testify against anybody else. 2173 01:56:26,631 --> 01:56:28,677 They'd, they'd never confess." 2174 01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:32,724 But if you look at it, it's usually all-- 2175 01:56:32,898 --> 01:56:34,248 It goes, it goes back to one thing, 2176 01:56:34,422 --> 01:56:35,771 and that is pressure. 2177 01:56:36,511 --> 01:56:37,686 What kind of pressure? 2178 01:56:38,556 --> 01:56:40,297 Relentless questioning. 2179 01:56:41,646 --> 01:56:43,561 Pushing a picture of a victim in front of someone 2180 01:56:43,735 --> 01:56:47,174 who's accused of kidnaping to get them to break down. 2181 01:56:48,349 --> 01:56:50,090 Telling them that their best friend 2182 01:56:50,264 --> 01:56:52,831 is in the next room, singing like a canary, 2183 01:56:53,006 --> 01:56:55,965 implicating them, even when it's not happening. 2184 01:56:57,271 --> 01:57:01,144 No one can explain what it's like to be, or how they're gonna react 2185 01:57:01,318 --> 01:57:05,670 until they're in that seat, with that bright light. 2186 01:57:06,454 --> 01:57:09,152 Until they realize the full weight of the US government 2187 01:57:09,326 --> 01:57:11,589 or the state government, or wherever you are, 2188 01:57:11,763 --> 01:57:15,071 upon that criminal defendant, using whatever pressure 2189 01:57:15,245 --> 01:57:17,508 that they can get their hands on... 2190 01:57:18,814 --> 01:57:20,424 ...whether it's true or not true. 2191 01:57:22,165 --> 01:57:26,387 The whole idea is to get a criminal conviction, 2192 01:57:26,865 --> 01:57:29,781 and we've seen a whole lot of convictions connected to this case. 2193 01:57:29,955 --> 01:57:34,656 And more importantly, we've seen pressure applied 2194 01:57:34,830 --> 01:57:39,008 to convict and pressure not to file. 2195 01:57:39,965 --> 01:57:42,664 And if you look closely at that, it comes back 2196 01:57:42,838 --> 01:57:46,711 to who's on the inside and who's on the outside. 2197 01:57:47,277 --> 01:57:49,279 But they had to get Donald Trump. 2198 01:57:49,453 --> 01:57:52,108 So, the next step was Michael Cohen. 2199 01:57:52,282 --> 01:57:55,372 S-- Pressure Cohen to flip on Trump and see what you could find. 2200 01:57:55,546 --> 01:57:58,854 It was a fishing expedition, but it was a fishing expedition 2201 01:57:59,028 --> 01:58:02,162 that was only made possible by Keith Davidson. 2202 01:58:02,336 --> 01:58:05,643 He tipped them as to the potential value of Cohen, 2203 01:58:05,817 --> 01:58:08,559 uh, and then he basically traded them Cohen 2204 01:58:08,733 --> 01:58:10,170 to get off the hook himself. 2205 01:58:10,344 --> 01:58:12,085 Now, suddenly he's no longer on indictment. 2206 01:58:12,259 --> 01:58:14,696 Now, suddenly he's a witness in that case. 2207 01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:16,437 How convenient. 2208 01:58:25,968 --> 01:58:28,144 He was his own man. He was like an island. 2209 01:58:28,318 --> 01:58:30,973 But nobody liked him in the system. 2210 01:58:31,147 --> 01:58:32,714 There's some people, uh, the things they've done-- 2211 01:58:32,888 --> 01:58:35,717 Uh, people have done some outrageous things in this, 2212 01:58:35,891 --> 01:58:39,764 in this market, in, in radio, but nothing ever came of that. 2213 01:58:39,938 --> 01:58:42,550 But the fact of the matter is the tape 2214 01:58:43,333 --> 01:58:47,424 being marketed and sold, and the FBI is involved, 2215 01:58:47,598 --> 01:58:50,166 and this and that, and conversations recorded, 2216 01:58:50,340 --> 01:58:52,951 and nothing happened. 2217 01:58:53,561 --> 01:58:55,780 It's like, I, I... I don't get it. 2218 01:58:55,954 --> 01:58:58,392 You don't have a more solid case than that to prosecute, 2219 01:58:58,566 --> 01:59:00,829 but, you know, it just never happened because I believe 2220 01:59:01,003 --> 01:59:04,093 it was his personality and who he was. 2221 01:59:04,267 --> 01:59:06,617 This week, Hogan's attorney asked a judge 2222 01:59:06,791 --> 01:59:09,316 for more than three years' worth of Calta's phone records 2223 01:59:09,490 --> 01:59:11,796 to prove he was behind the leak. 2224 01:59:11,970 --> 01:59:15,757 It coincided with these two-- uh, with Cox and Mr. Calta 2225 01:59:15,931 --> 01:59:18,499 being involved in a radio war with Bubba Clem. 2226 01:59:18,673 --> 01:59:20,153 According to the lawsuit, 2227 01:59:20,327 --> 01:59:22,633 Calta conspired with Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd 2228 01:59:22,807 --> 01:59:24,374 to leak the sex video 2229 01:59:24,548 --> 01:59:27,160 as revenge to rival shock jock Bubba Clem, 2230 01:59:27,334 --> 01:59:29,727 who was Hogan's best friend at the time. 2231 01:59:29,901 --> 01:59:32,208 I, I think that what happened with Bubba 2232 01:59:32,382 --> 01:59:37,431 and with the employees of Bubba doing the things that they did... 2233 01:59:37,605 --> 01:59:40,738 Um, you know, you hire and you bring people in around you 2234 01:59:40,912 --> 01:59:43,176 that you feel you can trust. 2235 01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:47,310 And that was one of the things that in the Howard world, 2236 01:59:47,484 --> 01:59:50,444 we all trusted each other, and we believed in each other 2237 01:59:50,618 --> 01:59:52,359 and had each other's back. 2238 01:59:52,533 --> 01:59:55,753 And for someone to do that to Bubba, that was close to him, 2239 01:59:55,927 --> 01:59:59,279 that was taking a paycheck from Bubba on a weekly basis, 2240 01:59:59,453 --> 02:00:01,324 that's just underhanded. 2241 02:00:01,498 --> 02:00:02,934 It's just disgusting. 2242 02:00:03,500 --> 02:00:05,720 Whether you agree with it or disagree with it, 2243 02:00:06,547 --> 02:00:10,464 what Bubba and his wife do 2244 02:00:10,638 --> 02:00:12,857 inside the confines of their own home, 2245 02:00:13,031 --> 02:00:14,903 to each their own, you know. 2246 02:00:15,077 --> 02:00:18,689 But for him to be persecuted 2247 02:00:18,863 --> 02:00:23,694 by the public at large for the attempted sale 2248 02:00:23,868 --> 02:00:25,957 and distribution of this tape... 2249 02:00:27,307 --> 02:00:29,134 ...is unbelievable to me. 2250 02:00:29,309 --> 02:00:31,398 When the amount of evidence that's out there... 2251 02:00:31,572 --> 02:00:34,009 And again, you don't have to take my word for it. 2252 02:00:34,183 --> 02:00:36,054 You don't have to take Bubba's word for it. 2253 02:00:36,707 --> 02:00:40,320 It's a matter of fact. It's not disputed. 2254 02:00:40,494 --> 02:00:43,018 This is not whether the Earth is flat or not. 2255 02:00:43,192 --> 02:00:45,716 The tape was stolen. Period. 2256 02:00:46,587 --> 02:00:49,154 We knew who the thief was. That was uncontroverted. 2257 02:00:49,329 --> 02:00:51,244 On tape. Videotape. 2258 02:00:51,418 --> 02:00:53,115 But now the question became 2259 02:00:53,289 --> 02:00:56,553 going back to that gnawing term "discretion." 2260 02:00:57,119 --> 02:01:01,776 Now, it was that string, that thread that got pulled, 2261 02:01:01,950 --> 02:01:04,692 that basically changed the course 2262 02:01:05,432 --> 02:01:09,087 in Terry's life... and Bubba's life. 2263 02:01:09,697 --> 02:01:12,047 Made a lot of people a lot of money, including their lawyers. 2264 02:01:12,830 --> 02:01:16,399 And went sensational, as far as trials go. 2265 02:01:16,878 --> 02:01:20,751 And Mark Ober used that discretion to make the decision 2266 02:01:20,925 --> 02:01:23,450 that no one really could object to 2267 02:01:23,928 --> 02:01:25,843 other than vote them out of office. 2268 02:01:26,017 --> 02:01:27,367 Which did happen, by the way. 2269 02:01:28,585 --> 02:01:30,152 But in Bubba's case, 2270 02:01:30,979 --> 02:01:34,722 Mark Ober's memory was strong, and he never forgot. 2271 02:01:40,249 --> 02:01:43,513 For a long time, I thought it was Heather, 2272 02:01:44,166 --> 02:01:46,473 um, because she would've been the one that had access to it. 2273 02:01:46,647 --> 02:01:49,040 It was, you know, Occam's razor. It was the most easy, 2274 02:01:49,214 --> 02:01:51,173 obvious answer, is the right answer. 2275 02:01:51,695 --> 02:01:53,784 But it wasn't. It was, it was Spice that stole it. 2276 02:01:53,958 --> 02:01:55,699 And, and I remember Bubba called me to his office 2277 02:01:55,873 --> 02:01:57,484 and he was like, "Yeah, I think... 2278 02:01:57,658 --> 02:01:59,877 I think I've tru-- trusted the wrong person here." 2279 02:02:00,487 --> 02:02:02,967 And it was-- and he-- Bubba told me 2280 02:02:03,141 --> 02:02:05,492 that he had found out that it was Spice that took the tape. 2281 02:02:05,666 --> 02:02:08,059 And I was like, "Wow." 2282 02:02:08,233 --> 02:02:10,235 I mean, I was stunned. 2283 02:02:10,410 --> 02:02:13,717 I knew Spice had hatred and vitriol in him, 2284 02:02:13,891 --> 02:02:16,546 but I didn't... I also know that, 2285 02:02:16,720 --> 02:02:20,942 that Matt "Spice Boy" Loyd values his freedom 2286 02:02:21,116 --> 02:02:22,726 and being out of jail, 2287 02:02:22,900 --> 02:02:24,641 and I didn't think that he would risk 2288 02:02:24,815 --> 02:02:26,817 going to jail just to get revenge on Bubba. 2289 02:02:26,991 --> 02:02:28,384 But I was even wrong on that one. 2290 02:02:28,558 --> 02:02:30,038 Like, the, the depths that he would go to, 2291 02:02:30,212 --> 02:02:31,561 I just didn't-- I didn't realize. 2292 02:02:31,735 --> 02:02:34,782 Spice Boy always had this saying, 2293 02:02:34,956 --> 02:02:38,916 "The best revenge is revenge." 2294 02:02:39,743 --> 02:02:41,702 That's the type of person he was, 2295 02:02:41,876 --> 02:02:44,966 and he never let it go. 2296 02:02:45,140 --> 02:02:48,230 Like, if he-- you, you did him wrong, 2297 02:02:48,404 --> 02:02:51,625 if he got a chance six or seven years later, guess what? 2298 02:02:51,799 --> 02:02:57,718 Bubba is the victim. Uh... not a pure victim, but a victim. 2299 02:02:58,371 --> 02:03:02,244 And now the US Attorney and the state attorney 2300 02:03:02,418 --> 02:03:05,769 are getting talked, you know, talked in their ear, 2301 02:03:05,943 --> 02:03:08,859 and they realize that it was easier for them 2302 02:03:09,033 --> 02:03:10,687 to listen to their former buddy, 2303 02:03:10,861 --> 02:03:12,559 their former coworker, 2304 02:03:12,733 --> 02:03:15,039 on a case that wasn't gonna change the world, 2305 02:03:15,910 --> 02:03:18,869 on a case that they didn't want to have the public scrutiny on, 2306 02:03:19,043 --> 02:03:21,002 and it just didn't matter to them. 2307 02:03:21,176 --> 02:03:23,874 It was an easy decision to just press that button, 2308 02:03:24,048 --> 02:03:25,963 or in this case, sign that signature. 2309 02:03:26,137 --> 02:03:29,097 No true bill, no information. Case closed. 2310 02:03:32,448 --> 02:03:34,624 Look, I don't think there's any question whatsoever 2311 02:03:34,798 --> 02:03:38,759 that Bubba Clem was targeted, um, because he's controversial. 2312 02:03:38,933 --> 02:03:41,718 And he's controversial because he tells you what he really thinks. 2313 02:03:41,892 --> 02:03:43,503 And that's not always politically correct. 2314 02:03:43,677 --> 02:03:46,462 So, he's a very polarizing figure. 2315 02:03:46,636 --> 02:03:50,423 He's not beloved by the, by the extreme left 2316 02:03:50,597 --> 02:03:52,076 or those who are politically correct. 2317 02:03:52,250 --> 02:03:53,556 So, yeah, there's no question 2318 02:03:53,730 --> 02:03:55,297 in my mind that he's been targeted. 2319 02:03:55,471 --> 02:03:57,081 And like me, he was treated differently, 2320 02:03:57,255 --> 02:03:59,780 like Donald Trump, like General Flynn. 2321 02:03:59,954 --> 02:04:03,261 But what has happened, though, is the people in power, 2322 02:04:04,045 --> 02:04:05,655 both in the radio industry, 2323 02:04:06,656 --> 02:04:09,833 both in the criminal justice world, 2324 02:04:10,660 --> 02:04:15,186 have fought to keep him down because he, 2325 02:04:15,970 --> 02:04:18,146 to them, is a thorn in the side. 2326 02:04:18,625 --> 02:04:20,191 He threatens their order. 2327 02:04:20,365 --> 02:04:23,934 He threatens their "view of how things should be." 2328 02:04:25,283 --> 02:04:30,506 Former President Trump clearly ruffled a lot of feathers. 2329 02:04:30,985 --> 02:04:34,118 For a federal judge to give you a warrant 2330 02:04:34,292 --> 02:04:36,599 for somebody's attorney's office? 2331 02:04:36,773 --> 02:04:38,079 Not, not against you, 2332 02:04:38,253 --> 02:04:40,081 but somebody's attorney's office? 2333 02:04:40,255 --> 02:04:44,564 To go look at what would be privileged material, obviously. 2334 02:04:44,738 --> 02:04:46,522 For a federal judge to grant you that warrant, 2335 02:04:46,696 --> 02:04:51,745 you would have a-- have to have a first-person co-conspirator 2336 02:04:51,919 --> 02:04:55,052 as a cooperating witness. And that's what they had. 2337 02:04:55,226 --> 02:04:57,228 And that's why he was so willing to give that up. 2338 02:04:57,402 --> 02:04:59,927 Keith Davidson's not a dumb man. He's not gonna give the, 2339 02:05:00,101 --> 02:05:02,451 the feds nothing without leverage and without getting a deal. 2340 02:05:02,625 --> 02:05:06,150 And he got both. They leveraged him into giving them Cohen. 2341 02:05:06,324 --> 02:05:09,153 And he got a deal for doing it, which is a complete walk. 2342 02:05:09,327 --> 02:05:11,808 And he kept his bar-- his law license. 2343 02:05:13,723 --> 02:05:17,031 But when you're not part of that inner circle 2344 02:05:17,205 --> 02:05:20,425 that came up like that, you make enemies. 2345 02:05:21,383 --> 02:05:23,254 Many have said, 2346 02:05:23,428 --> 02:05:27,215 "Look at where we are right now in 2024, 2347 02:05:27,781 --> 02:05:31,393 with the number of criminal prosecutions 2348 02:05:31,567 --> 02:05:33,569 against a former president." 2349 02:05:34,309 --> 02:05:35,440 How does that end? 2350 02:05:39,183 --> 02:05:43,927 We've got a verdict, Ari Melber. - Count 33 and 34. 2351 02:05:44,101 --> 02:05:46,539 Guilty. Uh, that is Donald J. Trump, defendant, 2352 02:05:46,713 --> 02:05:48,497 in New York v. Donald Trump... 2353 02:05:48,671 --> 02:05:52,545 Found guilty on all 34 felony counts. 2354 02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:55,156 Uh, that is the verdict here in this case. 2355 02:05:59,116 --> 02:06:03,338 Bubba had run-ins. And, you know, this is still America. 2356 02:06:03,512 --> 02:06:05,296 You still have freedom of speech, 2357 02:06:05,470 --> 02:06:07,647 as far as opinions and things of that nature. 2358 02:06:07,821 --> 02:06:09,474 And he's had run-ins with state attorneys... 2359 02:06:09,649 --> 02:06:12,652 ...with other local politicians and things of that nature. 2360 02:06:12,826 --> 02:06:15,524 And he's not one to hold back... 2361 02:06:16,743 --> 02:06:20,921 ...when exposing something that he thinks is wrong 2362 02:06:21,095 --> 02:06:22,879 and has facts to back it up. 2363 02:06:23,401 --> 02:06:25,665 He just lets loose. He's unfiltered. 2364 02:06:25,839 --> 02:06:27,667 That's what he is. He's totally unfiltered. 2365 02:06:27,841 --> 02:06:32,454 And that goes against the tide in politics locally here. 2366 02:06:32,628 --> 02:06:34,543 They just-- You know, when you get caught with the truth, 2367 02:06:34,717 --> 02:06:36,458 the truth is the truth. You can't hide from it. 2368 02:06:37,415 --> 02:06:38,852 What I've learned is... 2369 02:06:39,983 --> 02:06:41,811 ...uh, you can't fight City Hall. 2370 02:06:41,985 --> 02:06:43,987 And don't go against the government, 2371 02:06:44,161 --> 02:06:46,729 and don't go against huge corporations because they will crush you. 2372 02:06:47,338 --> 02:06:50,167 It's possible that what happened is 2373 02:06:50,341 --> 02:06:53,649 some or all of the defendants decided to cooperate with the government, 2374 02:06:53,823 --> 02:06:57,131 to assist them with the prosecution of other people, 2375 02:06:57,305 --> 02:07:01,091 to provide information that's useful to the government investigators 2376 02:07:02,179 --> 02:07:04,486 as a way to earn leniency. 2377 02:07:05,313 --> 02:07:08,446 Now, leniency as a result of cooperation 2378 02:07:08,621 --> 02:07:10,535 can reduce in a reduced sentence. 2379 02:07:11,101 --> 02:07:12,668 And in some cases, it can, 2380 02:07:13,321 --> 02:07:15,932 it can mean that you never are charged in the first place. 2381 02:07:16,106 --> 02:07:18,326 You can do things that are criminal-- criminally wrong. 2382 02:07:18,500 --> 02:07:21,198 You can do things that are ethically wrong. 2383 02:07:21,372 --> 02:07:22,635 You can do things that are morally wrong. 2384 02:07:22,809 --> 02:07:24,201 I believe that what happened here, 2385 02:07:24,375 --> 02:07:26,682 it, it was wrong on all three counts. 2386 02:07:26,856 --> 02:07:28,597 I've always been brought up to believe 2387 02:07:28,771 --> 02:07:31,208 that a friend is a friend. 2388 02:07:31,731 --> 02:07:33,820 Loyalty is loyalty. 2389 02:07:34,472 --> 02:07:37,127 And, uh, through thick and thin, not in good times. 2390 02:07:37,301 --> 02:07:38,999 And then you take off in bad. 2391 02:07:39,173 --> 02:07:41,001 And I've been friends with him for over 20 years 2392 02:07:41,175 --> 02:07:42,567 and would never change that. 2393 02:07:42,742 --> 02:07:45,832 Now, other people that are competing with him 2394 02:07:46,006 --> 02:07:49,009 may not like that, but... I don't give a damn. 2395 02:07:52,577 --> 02:07:54,492 I think, when it's all said and done 2396 02:07:54,667 --> 02:07:58,409 and you look back at his career 20 or 30 years from now, 2397 02:07:58,583 --> 02:08:01,499 you'd go, "Man, that guy was right. 2398 02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:03,458 Hard to believe." 2399 02:08:04,502 --> 02:08:06,330 I wish I would have listened more intently. 2400 02:08:06,853 --> 02:08:09,246 People will say that about Bubba the Love Sponge. 2401 02:08:24,697 --> 02:08:27,134 In the 45 years that I've been in American politics, 2402 02:08:27,308 --> 02:08:30,703 I've never seen anything quite like the politicization 2403 02:08:30,877 --> 02:08:34,445 and weaponization of the entire criminal justice system 2404 02:08:34,619 --> 02:08:38,493 and using it to target your political enemies. 2405 02:08:38,667 --> 02:08:40,974 So, it's a two-tiered justice system, 2406 02:08:41,148 --> 02:08:43,280 uh, and people are treated differently 2407 02:08:43,454 --> 02:08:45,065 because of their politics. 2408 02:08:45,239 --> 02:08:47,589 Unfortunately, today it's part of the political process. 2409 02:08:47,763 --> 02:08:49,504 It shouldn't be, but it is. 2410 02:08:49,983 --> 02:08:52,812 Anybody that goes against this power structure, 2411 02:08:52,986 --> 02:08:56,641 and especially somebody like Bubba the Love Sponge, 2412 02:08:56,816 --> 02:09:00,776 who is pointing out specific cases with specific people, 2413 02:09:00,950 --> 02:09:03,997 of course they're gonna get-- they'd do anything they can to get him off the air. 2414 02:09:04,171 --> 02:09:05,912 They'd need to get him off the air. 2415 02:09:06,086 --> 02:09:07,652 You're talking about serious business now. 2416 02:09:07,827 --> 02:09:10,177 You're talking about people that have a lot at stake. 2417 02:09:10,351 --> 02:09:13,093 And if you think for one minute that it has to do 2418 02:09:13,267 --> 02:09:16,792 with goofiness, and shock jocks, and sex tapes, 2419 02:09:16,966 --> 02:09:19,839 well, that's what they need the public to think it's about, 2420 02:09:20,448 --> 02:09:23,233 because the public can sink their teeth into that. 2421 02:09:23,407 --> 02:09:26,019 But when you start getting down into the specifics of corruption, 2422 02:09:26,193 --> 02:09:27,847 which Bubba did all the time-- 2423 02:09:28,021 --> 02:09:30,588 It wasn't a one-off. He did it all the time. 2424 02:09:31,938 --> 02:09:33,766 They're gonna get you off the air and they're gonna do anything 2425 02:09:33,940 --> 02:09:35,768 to get you off the air and shut you up. 2426 02:09:35,942 --> 02:09:37,334 And that's what's happened to Bubba, 2427 02:09:37,508 --> 02:09:39,119 and that's what's happened to others, 2428 02:09:39,728 --> 02:09:42,296 uh, since then, because that has become their formula. 2429 02:09:42,470 --> 02:09:44,385 Their formula is to shut you up. 2430 02:09:47,867 --> 02:09:51,914 There's been a transformation, uh, with news, uh as far as ethics, 2431 02:09:52,088 --> 02:09:55,135 but I think it goes even further into the morals of the people 2432 02:09:55,309 --> 02:09:58,921 involved with spreading the shit that's going on. 2433 02:09:59,095 --> 02:10:00,880 It's not the same. 2434 02:10:01,054 --> 02:10:03,796 Uh, the ethics have been tossed out of the window. 2435 02:10:03,970 --> 02:10:06,668 Uh, the facts have been tossed out of the window. 2436 02:10:06,842 --> 02:10:10,890 Anybody can pop up on, on some podcast or this or that 2437 02:10:11,064 --> 02:10:13,283 and say something, and then all of a sudden 2438 02:10:13,457 --> 02:10:15,503 the media is running with it like it's factual, 2439 02:10:15,677 --> 02:10:17,505 like it's true. 2440 02:10:17,679 --> 02:10:19,594 We live in a society now where-- It's just first. 2441 02:10:19,768 --> 02:10:21,509 Who cares? Get it out there. 2442 02:10:21,683 --> 02:10:23,467 We don't care who it hurts. We don't care who we destroy. 2443 02:10:23,641 --> 02:10:25,730 We don't care if it's true. Just say it. Sell it. 2444 02:10:25,905 --> 02:10:28,211 What happens when more than 100 intellectuals 2445 02:10:28,385 --> 02:10:32,737 make a bid to defend free speech in the face of cancel culture? 2446 02:10:32,912 --> 02:10:35,175 They get canceled, of course, proving the existence 2447 02:10:35,349 --> 02:10:38,700 of exactly the sentiments about which they were complaining. 2448 02:10:38,874 --> 02:10:40,702 But that's not what Rogan was taking. 2449 02:10:40,876 --> 02:10:42,835 But CNN didn't care, and lied about it 2450 02:10:43,009 --> 02:10:44,924 and said Rogan was taking horse pills. 2451 02:10:45,098 --> 02:10:46,447 - Just a lie. - I don't think anyone is thick. 2452 02:10:46,621 --> 02:10:48,275 But don't you think that a lie like that 2453 02:10:48,449 --> 02:10:49,929 is dangerous on a news network? 2454 02:10:50,103 --> 02:10:51,800 When you know that they know they're lying? 2455 02:10:51,974 --> 02:10:53,846 The other thing you notice when you take a little time off 2456 02:10:54,020 --> 02:10:56,718 is how unbelievably stupid 2457 02:10:56,892 --> 02:10:59,547 most of the debates you see on television are. 2458 02:10:59,721 --> 02:11:02,463 Notably, Tucker Carlson did not mention Fox News, 2459 02:11:02,637 --> 02:11:04,857 nor the reason for his departure. 2460 02:11:05,031 --> 02:11:09,731 Everything in this day and age is politically motivated. 2461 02:11:10,210 --> 02:11:13,691 Whatever side you're on. What the hell's going on here? 2462 02:11:14,214 --> 02:11:18,044 You should all be known for factual information, 2463 02:11:18,218 --> 02:11:21,003 the best that you can get, and bring it to the public 2464 02:11:21,177 --> 02:11:24,789 to digest and let them make their decision. 2465 02:11:25,268 --> 02:11:27,227 CEO Mark Zuckerberg is pointing fingers 2466 02:11:27,401 --> 02:11:29,620 at the Biden administration over Covid-19. 2467 02:11:29,794 --> 02:11:32,058 The head of Facebook and Instagram's parent company, Meta, 2468 02:11:32,232 --> 02:11:34,364 says in 2021, he was pressured 2469 02:11:34,538 --> 02:11:37,367 to censor social media content about the pandemic. 2470 02:11:37,541 --> 02:11:40,414 If I could wave a wand, how about an honest media, 2471 02:11:40,588 --> 02:11:43,634 one that wasn't full of jackals with an agenda? 2472 02:11:43,808 --> 02:11:48,161 Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, MSNBC. 2473 02:11:48,335 --> 02:11:50,685 The, the-- My friend Sean Hannity is right. 2474 02:11:50,859 --> 02:11:53,601 Journalism today is dead. Dead. 2475 02:11:56,909 --> 02:11:59,346 Uh, and when you have one-party government, 2476 02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,958 uh, or you have a media that is completely dominated, 2477 02:12:03,132 --> 02:12:08,746 owned and controlled with people, with one narrative, one point of view, 2478 02:12:08,921 --> 02:12:12,968 putting aside whether that's the truth or not, you have a very dangerous situation. 2479 02:12:13,142 --> 02:12:18,278 Censorship is the single most dangerous problem in the country. 2480 02:12:18,452 --> 02:12:20,889 The establishment hates us 2481 02:12:21,716 --> 02:12:25,763 because we're not afraid to call people out 2482 02:12:25,938 --> 02:12:29,071 that are doing bad things, 2483 02:12:29,245 --> 02:12:33,510 or that are part of the good old boy network. 2484 02:12:33,684 --> 02:12:36,035 I came in here like a wrecking ball. 2485 02:12:36,209 --> 02:12:39,386 I, I, I describe myself as the People's Hammer. 2486 02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:41,779 Say it like it is. Our mouths-- 2487 02:12:41,954 --> 02:12:44,304 I guess it'd be our mouths get us in trouble. 2488 02:12:45,131 --> 02:12:47,655 I, I guess there was a point in time in journalism 2489 02:12:47,829 --> 02:12:51,833 when it was really a source to be trusted. 2490 02:12:52,007 --> 02:12:54,488 Honorable people were doing an honorable job 2491 02:12:54,662 --> 02:12:56,577 to get the information and facts to people. 2492 02:12:57,099 --> 02:12:59,884 Uh, if they did make a mistake, 2493 02:13:00,059 --> 02:13:02,365 very rarely, but if they did, 2494 02:13:03,279 --> 02:13:05,455 they'd retract and say, "Oh, we made a mistake, 2495 02:13:05,629 --> 02:13:07,849 but this is..." Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. 2496 02:13:08,023 --> 02:13:09,851 You see less and less of that now. 2497 02:13:10,025 --> 02:13:12,419 What's changed today is that... 2498 02:13:14,160 --> 02:13:17,467 ...everybody's their own media distribution company. 2499 02:13:17,641 --> 02:13:22,342 There's so much information that's out there, 2500 02:13:22,516 --> 02:13:27,564 and all of that information is being delivered 2501 02:13:27,738 --> 02:13:32,047 in a way to monetize the person 2502 02:13:32,221 --> 02:13:34,702 that's the origination of the distribution. 2503 02:13:34,876 --> 02:13:38,314 Unless you can verify-- and I always had a rule of thumb when I was reporting 2504 02:13:38,488 --> 02:13:40,360 on something very sensitive, 2505 02:13:41,100 --> 02:13:45,843 uh, to have two, if not three, sources to confirm 2506 02:13:46,018 --> 02:13:48,585 that this is what's happening and these are the people involved. 2507 02:13:48,759 --> 02:13:51,327 If I didn't have that, I never took it to air. 2508 02:13:51,501 --> 02:13:55,853 In order to separate themselves 2509 02:13:56,028 --> 02:14:00,597 from the other million distribution channels out there, 2510 02:14:00,771 --> 02:14:03,470 people have gotten more and more aggressive 2511 02:14:03,644 --> 02:14:05,733 with what they say, 2512 02:14:05,907 --> 02:14:08,692 how they say it, how they spin it... 2513 02:14:09,780 --> 02:14:12,435 ...in order to get attention. 2514 02:14:12,609 --> 02:14:18,006 Because in order to get paid, you have to get attention. 2515 02:14:18,528 --> 02:14:20,226 And in order to get attention, 2516 02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:23,272 you've had to get more and more edgy. 2517 02:14:23,446 --> 02:14:25,274 Look... we're Americans. 2518 02:14:25,448 --> 02:14:27,711 Everybody's got a different opinion. 2519 02:14:27,885 --> 02:14:29,800 You belong to a certain party. 2520 02:14:29,974 --> 02:14:32,368 You have views, and morals, and ethics 2521 02:14:32,542 --> 02:14:34,370 about certain things. Bah, bah, bah. 2522 02:14:34,544 --> 02:14:38,983 But discussion, intelligent discussion, 2523 02:14:39,636 --> 02:14:43,553 respectful discussion is where you start from. 2524 02:14:44,032 --> 02:14:47,731 One network is known for this, another one is known for this, 2525 02:14:47,905 --> 02:14:51,387 another one is known for this. What the hell is going on here? 2526 02:14:52,040 --> 02:14:55,826 You should all be known for factual information, 2527 02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:58,829 the best that you can get, and bring it to the public 2528 02:14:59,003 --> 02:15:02,442 to digest and let them make their decision. 2529 02:15:02,616 --> 02:15:05,314 But that's not happening. 2530 02:15:11,668 --> 02:15:15,759 Why they weren't charged, I think, also ends up 2531 02:15:15,933 --> 02:15:19,328 having a lot to do with the Cox case being settled. 2532 02:15:20,416 --> 02:15:24,855 You know, that settlement stopped that trial 2533 02:15:25,029 --> 02:15:27,684 and additional discovery and other things 2534 02:15:27,858 --> 02:15:32,036 from becoming public record that nipped it in the bud. 2535 02:15:32,515 --> 02:15:36,476 You know, I was disappointed that, that Hogan and Cox settled 2536 02:15:36,650 --> 02:15:41,089 because that was truly going to tell all the fuckery involved 2537 02:15:41,263 --> 02:15:42,656 in this particular sex tape. 2538 02:15:42,830 --> 02:15:44,919 Based on the fact that Gawker, 2539 02:15:45,093 --> 02:15:49,402 you know, lost an award for 115 million, 2540 02:15:49,576 --> 02:15:54,320 you know, it's undisclosed. Nobody knows what the Cox settlement was for, 2541 02:15:54,494 --> 02:15:56,713 but I'm sure it had to be significant. 2542 02:15:56,887 --> 02:16:01,327 But that settlement being done also ended up protecting, 2543 02:16:01,501 --> 02:16:03,590 you know, Mike Calta and the other people involved 2544 02:16:03,764 --> 02:16:08,334 because that case got squashed, it got put to bed. 2545 02:16:08,508 --> 02:16:10,292 The media forgot about it. You know, 2546 02:16:10,466 --> 02:16:12,990 nobody's gonna talk about what might have happened, 2547 02:16:13,165 --> 02:16:16,777 how would this have gone if it had gone to trial. 2548 02:16:16,951 --> 02:16:20,563 Nobody does that. It settles. It's over. 2549 02:16:21,085 --> 02:16:24,654 It gets pushed to the bottom of the pile. It's no longer news. 2550 02:16:25,264 --> 02:16:30,356 But that got settled one day before Mike Calta's deposition. 2551 02:16:30,530 --> 02:16:32,227 What does that tell you? 2552 02:16:39,408 --> 02:16:40,975 Originally, they were hopeful 2553 02:16:41,149 --> 02:16:44,239 that it would get Bubba terminated immediately. 2554 02:16:45,719 --> 02:16:49,201 I think they were disappointed in that. 2555 02:16:50,245 --> 02:16:51,942 That took a little bit of time. 2556 02:16:52,682 --> 02:16:54,641 It did eventually happen, 2557 02:16:54,815 --> 02:16:56,469 but it didn't happen immediately. 2558 02:16:56,643 --> 02:16:59,211 I don't think they considered all of the facts 2559 02:16:59,385 --> 02:17:02,910 relative to what the laws were 2560 02:17:03,084 --> 02:17:05,129 and how they would affect the people involved, 2561 02:17:05,304 --> 02:17:06,566 including Bubba. 2562 02:17:06,740 --> 02:17:08,437 I don't think they... 2563 02:17:09,873 --> 02:17:11,571 ...really took into account 2564 02:17:12,224 --> 02:17:14,878 the success that Bubba had as a broadcaster, 2565 02:17:15,052 --> 02:17:18,534 and how he continued to maintain his listenership 2566 02:17:18,708 --> 02:17:22,538 and his number one ratings throughout this entire process. 2567 02:17:22,712 --> 02:17:26,760 What Tony Burton miscalculated was the loft factor, 2568 02:17:27,630 --> 02:17:29,023 lack of fuckin' talent. 2569 02:17:29,197 --> 02:17:31,504 Mike Calta can't, can't ever be me. 2570 02:17:31,678 --> 02:17:35,899 Everything that Mike Calta would want to do in radio I've done. 2571 02:17:36,073 --> 02:17:38,162 And he thought, by taking my show, 2572 02:17:38,337 --> 02:17:40,426 my one local Tampa show, 2573 02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:44,734 that would let him achieve those, those heights of what I've done. 2574 02:17:44,908 --> 02:17:47,346 Today, again, in looking in hindsight, 2575 02:17:47,520 --> 02:17:49,304 that they continued to work 2576 02:17:49,478 --> 02:17:51,306 to try to remove 'em as soon as possible, 2577 02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:55,005 but the plan was, if they weren't able to remove him then, 2578 02:17:55,179 --> 02:17:57,356 that they clearly weren't gonna renew the contract 2579 02:17:57,530 --> 02:18:00,272 and were gonna remove him at the end of the renewal. 2580 02:18:00,446 --> 02:18:03,013 Which is what's ended up happening. 2581 02:18:08,323 --> 02:18:12,066 Whether you like him, hate him, love him, bah, bah, bah, 2582 02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:14,242 the one thing that I can sit here and tell you, 2583 02:18:14,416 --> 02:18:17,027 after the 30 years that I've known him, 2584 02:18:17,201 --> 02:18:19,421 he does not bite his fuckin' tongue. 2585 02:18:19,595 --> 02:18:24,948 He speaks truth that is hurtful to some people, 2586 02:18:25,688 --> 02:18:27,690 but it's still truth. 2587 02:18:27,864 --> 02:18:30,171 Bubba has not lost his voice at all in the industry. 2588 02:18:30,345 --> 02:18:34,654 I think that he is reinventing himself with, uh, new platforms 2589 02:18:34,828 --> 02:18:38,440 like with Twitch, or Facebook Live, or Twitter, 2590 02:18:38,614 --> 02:18:40,877 or, you know, these social media channels. 2591 02:18:41,051 --> 02:18:44,533 Uh, there's more opportunity out there than there's ever been before, 2592 02:18:44,707 --> 02:18:47,188 and it's harnessing that opportunity, 2593 02:18:47,362 --> 02:18:52,454 Bubba's learning, and, uh, without having to, uh, succumb to 2594 02:18:52,628 --> 02:18:57,241 to or to compromise, uh, his abilities with, uh, management, 2595 02:18:57,416 --> 02:19:00,027 like he did in the past with terrestrial radio. 2596 02:19:00,201 --> 02:19:03,378 So, I think you'll see Bubba in the next year or two, 2597 02:19:03,552 --> 02:19:06,033 you know, start to really come into his own. 2598 02:19:06,207 --> 02:19:09,297 Bubba's career, over time, has changed dramatically, 2599 02:19:09,471 --> 02:19:13,736 but so has the landscape of broadcast and media. 2600 02:19:13,910 --> 02:19:16,043 You know, today we're in a digital age. 2601 02:19:16,217 --> 02:19:19,263 So, when Bubba first started, and when I first started 2602 02:19:19,438 --> 02:19:21,788 repping him in the 1990s, 2603 02:19:21,962 --> 02:19:24,094 you know, there really wasn't smartphones, 2604 02:19:24,268 --> 02:19:27,663 and, you know, the internet wasn't used for social media 2605 02:19:27,837 --> 02:19:30,884 and, you know, terrestrial radio, at the time, 2606 02:19:31,058 --> 02:19:35,323 was a huge medium for how people got information. 2607 02:19:35,497 --> 02:19:40,720 And so now I may not be on that sexy FM station in Tampa, Florida, 2608 02:19:40,894 --> 02:19:44,201 but, you know, I have 250 million views digitally. 2609 02:19:44,376 --> 02:19:46,116 I don't know if I would have made 2610 02:19:46,290 --> 02:19:49,990 that leap of faith in 2017 when I met with Tom Bean 2611 02:19:50,164 --> 02:19:52,340 and he's like, "Hey, there's this thing called Twitch, 2612 02:19:52,514 --> 02:19:54,995 and we need to put your show on it." I'm like, 2613 02:19:55,169 --> 02:19:57,214 "What the fuck are you talking about, Tom Bean?" 2614 02:19:57,389 --> 02:20:00,653 He's like, "Just trust me. I got cameras coming on in the studio." 2615 02:20:00,827 --> 02:20:04,178 Any business is based on how much, you know, 2616 02:20:04,352 --> 02:20:08,312 revenue it creates and what it puts, you know, to the bottom-line profit. 2617 02:20:08,487 --> 02:20:12,665 And radio stations are well behind the heyday 2618 02:20:12,839 --> 02:20:15,145 of their revenue heights 2619 02:20:15,319 --> 02:20:18,322 and, you know, profit. 2620 02:20:18,497 --> 02:20:20,890 So, it's changed a great deal, 2621 02:20:21,064 --> 02:20:24,198 which has also changed the way that 2622 02:20:24,372 --> 02:20:27,593 radio DJs broadcast. 2623 02:20:27,767 --> 02:20:30,334 What they're looking for from radio DJs, 2624 02:20:30,509 --> 02:20:33,294 what they're willing to pay radio DJs, 2625 02:20:33,468 --> 02:20:36,079 what being a radio DJ is. 2626 02:20:36,253 --> 02:20:39,431 That's where all these terrestrial radio guys 2627 02:20:39,605 --> 02:20:42,129 need to be going, but they're not. 2628 02:20:42,303 --> 02:20:44,827 They think that terrestrial radio is gonna be there forever. 2629 02:20:45,001 --> 02:20:46,350 And quite frankly, it's not. 2630 02:20:46,525 --> 02:20:48,788 It's continuing to dwindle not only in size, 2631 02:20:48,962 --> 02:20:50,616 but what they're paying people too. 2632 02:21:01,670 --> 02:21:04,020 Everybody in the general public seems to think 2633 02:21:04,194 --> 02:21:08,068 that Bubba's the person that released this tape, 2634 02:21:08,242 --> 02:21:10,853 and that he released this tape for his own benefit. 2635 02:21:11,419 --> 02:21:12,681 You know, when people talk about, 2636 02:21:12,855 --> 02:21:14,901 "Well, he did it to benefit, you know... 2637 02:21:15,075 --> 02:21:18,121 For, you know, his personal benefit." 2638 02:21:18,861 --> 02:21:22,691 At the peak of his career, Bubba was making 2639 02:21:22,865 --> 02:21:25,346 $7 million a year. 2640 02:21:25,999 --> 02:21:30,307 How is he gonna ever make enough money from the sale 2641 02:21:30,482 --> 02:21:33,223 of an excerpt of one video 2642 02:21:33,397 --> 02:21:35,487 of Hulk Hogan fucking his wife 2643 02:21:35,661 --> 02:21:37,358 that's gonna replace that? 2644 02:21:41,405 --> 02:21:44,626 When you have such a big name like Bubba the Love Sponge, 2645 02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,020 you know, you, you've been all over the place. 2646 02:21:47,194 --> 02:21:49,631 You're on Howard's, uh, channel. 2647 02:21:49,805 --> 02:21:55,419 You need to find a, a circle of friends that you can trust. 2648 02:21:55,594 --> 02:21:57,160 You want a bunch of trusting people 2649 02:21:57,334 --> 02:22:00,512 because there's a lot of sensitive information 2650 02:22:00,686 --> 02:22:02,644 that goes on behind the scenes. 2651 02:22:02,818 --> 02:22:05,125 And, and, and I think 2652 02:22:05,299 --> 02:22:08,781 somebody that he really, really trusts, 2653 02:22:08,955 --> 02:22:12,698 like Matt Loyd, to be able to do what he did, 2654 02:22:12,872 --> 02:22:16,223 I think Bubba started second guessing himself. 2655 02:22:16,397 --> 02:22:19,487 "Maybe, maybe I'm not a good, uh, a good person 2656 02:22:19,661 --> 02:22:21,924 to be able to find talent or people I can trust. 2657 02:22:22,098 --> 02:22:23,752 I thought I had that." 2658 02:22:23,926 --> 02:22:25,406 And, and I think that's 2659 02:22:25,580 --> 02:22:27,190 one of the qualities that he looks for. 2660 02:22:27,364 --> 02:22:32,805 But he also looks for... raw clay, 2661 02:22:32,979 --> 02:22:36,939 people that have potential. Because Bubba is 2662 02:22:37,113 --> 02:22:40,464 not only a fan of radio, he's an artist of radio. 2663 02:22:40,639 --> 02:22:42,989 Like, a lot of people just do radio. 2664 02:22:43,163 --> 02:22:46,209 He is an artist. Like, just down to the-- 2665 02:22:46,383 --> 02:22:48,777 Every single little detail. 2666 02:22:48,951 --> 02:22:52,128 Uh, running a tight board and stuff like that. 2667 02:22:52,912 --> 02:22:55,001 Oh, I, I miss my old lifestyle a lot. 2668 02:22:55,175 --> 02:22:58,700 I mean, I was living in a 6500-square-foot mansion. 2669 02:22:58,874 --> 02:23:01,007 I... you know-- Fuck. 2670 02:23:01,181 --> 02:23:03,618 I may was making a lot of money. I had an airplane. 2671 02:23:03,792 --> 02:23:06,926 I mean, you know, all the cool shit that rich people have. 2672 02:23:07,100 --> 02:23:09,668 You know, I probably wasn't being responsible, 2673 02:23:09,842 --> 02:23:11,495 and saving, and investing, 2674 02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:13,759 and buying properties and shit like that, 2675 02:23:13,933 --> 02:23:15,630 but, boy, I was having fun, you know. 2676 02:23:15,804 --> 02:23:17,414 And I'm having fun now. I just-- 2677 02:23:17,589 --> 02:23:19,765 I have fun with an F-150. 2678 02:23:19,939 --> 02:23:23,725 Today, you know, my role with Bubba is, is probably, 2679 02:23:23,899 --> 02:23:25,988 you, you know, more of a mentoring role. 2680 02:23:26,162 --> 02:23:28,251 You know, continuing to help him, 2681 02:23:28,425 --> 02:23:30,253 you know, look at things differently, 2682 02:23:30,427 --> 02:23:33,300 understand how things work, 2683 02:23:33,779 --> 02:23:35,084 how to... 2684 02:23:36,346 --> 02:23:38,566 ...communicate with people, 2685 02:23:38,740 --> 02:23:41,351 how to do the right things. 2686 02:23:41,525 --> 02:23:45,268 To think about, you know, how his actions affect other people. 2687 02:23:45,442 --> 02:23:47,662 You know, it's only taken me 30 years, 2688 02:23:47,836 --> 02:23:49,403 but he's actually paying attention 2689 02:23:49,577 --> 02:23:52,145 to some of those things now, which is refreshing. 2690 02:23:52,624 --> 02:23:55,496 That sex tape has been a pain in my ass, 2691 02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:57,411 but it's caused me to grind. 2692 02:23:57,585 --> 02:23:59,369 It's caused me to appreciate 2693 02:23:59,892 --> 02:24:02,198 the, the smaller things in life. 2694 02:24:02,372 --> 02:24:04,897 Um, I don't make as much money as I used to, 2695 02:24:05,071 --> 02:24:07,639 but I'm happier than I ever, ever have been. 2696 02:24:07,813 --> 02:24:11,686 Um, and it's caused me to have to reinvent myself digitally. 2697 02:24:13,427 --> 02:24:16,212 When someone comes in and has... 2698 02:24:17,561 --> 02:24:19,389 ...the attention of the people, 2699 02:24:20,434 --> 02:24:22,479 the hearts of the people... 2700 02:24:23,742 --> 02:24:25,744 ...the, the admiration 2701 02:24:25,918 --> 02:24:28,050 for things that you've been able to expose, you go to Bubba. 2702 02:24:28,224 --> 02:24:31,271 He, he has a long history of being the voice of the people, 2703 02:24:31,445 --> 02:24:33,273 exposing wrongs. 2704 02:24:34,840 --> 02:24:36,450 But he broke a lot of eggs. 2705 02:24:37,016 --> 02:24:39,279 He keeps you on your toes. It's not the same. 2706 02:24:39,453 --> 02:24:41,498 Every show is different. 2707 02:24:42,064 --> 02:24:43,413 And I think that's the beauty, 2708 02:24:43,587 --> 02:24:45,589 that's his strength in broadcasting. 2709 02:24:45,764 --> 02:24:48,070 You'll never get bored. Never get bored. 2710 02:24:48,244 --> 02:24:51,117 And I'm excited to see him be ahead of the curve. 2711 02:24:51,291 --> 02:24:53,597 When terrestrial radio is dying, you know, 2712 02:24:53,772 --> 02:24:57,123 he has opened up new doors for even new-- 2713 02:24:57,297 --> 02:24:59,560 Even other radio professionals, 2714 02:24:59,734 --> 02:25:01,780 you know, are following him once again. 2715 02:25:01,954 --> 02:25:05,609 You know, he has this innate ability to reinvent himself. 2716 02:25:05,784 --> 02:25:07,307 He struck a nerve. 2717 02:25:07,829 --> 02:25:10,397 And, and, and if you talk to people 2718 02:25:10,571 --> 02:25:12,181 in and around the community, 2719 02:25:12,355 --> 02:25:15,619 he was a pariah on one end, 2720 02:25:16,185 --> 02:25:19,319 but to the other side, he was a hero. 2721 02:25:20,015 --> 02:25:23,627 You know, I feel like the justice system really let me down. 2722 02:25:24,193 --> 02:25:27,719 You asked me earlier if I had learned anything from this. 2723 02:25:27,893 --> 02:25:30,809 I sure did. Because if you piss off the wrong people 2724 02:25:30,983 --> 02:25:32,332 or the people of power, 2725 02:25:32,506 --> 02:25:34,421 your personal rights don't mean shit. 2726 02:25:34,987 --> 02:25:36,640 And if you don't think it can happen to you, 2727 02:25:36,815 --> 02:25:38,294 fuck around and find out. 2728 02:25:38,468 --> 02:25:40,514 You're just a stupid-ass jobber. 2729 02:25:40,688 --> 02:25:43,125 Trust me, it can happen to anybody. 2730 02:25:43,299 --> 02:25:45,040 It doesn't matter who you are. 2731 02:25:45,214 --> 02:25:47,695 From Donald Trump to Bubba Clem. 2732 02:25:47,869 --> 02:25:50,829 He is finally-- you know, he's gone back to the basics. 2733 02:25:51,003 --> 02:25:53,048 He understands the importance of family. 2734 02:25:53,222 --> 02:25:56,269 He has a wonderful support system. 2735 02:25:56,443 --> 02:25:59,446 Um, he, he, has some wonderful friends. 2736 02:25:59,620 --> 02:26:02,797 And, you know, the people, in the end, it's not who wants-- 2737 02:26:02,971 --> 02:26:05,539 Everyone wants to ride with you when you have a private jet, 2738 02:26:05,713 --> 02:26:08,368 but who wants to ride with you when you're taking the bus? 2739 02:26:08,542 --> 02:26:11,937 He finally has that group of people, and he's soaring. 2740 02:26:12,111 --> 02:26:14,417 I mean, he's, he's doing phenomenal. 2741 02:26:14,591 --> 02:26:16,419 And it's, it's, it's not a surprise. 2742 02:26:16,593 --> 02:26:19,205 With, with his talent and tenacity, 2743 02:26:19,379 --> 02:26:21,947 I'm really excited for this next chapter. 2744 02:26:22,121 --> 02:26:24,036 I now know what the consequences 2745 02:26:24,210 --> 02:26:26,995 of taking people of power out. 2746 02:26:27,169 --> 02:26:29,650 And you know what? I'm gonna keep right on doing it, 2747 02:26:29,824 --> 02:26:31,608 because that's who the fuck I am. 2748 02:26:32,305 --> 02:26:34,350 And, you know, the bottom line is, 2749 02:26:35,264 --> 02:26:39,007 it's all because I have the best, most loyal fans 2750 02:26:39,181 --> 02:26:41,575 of any radio personality ever. 2751 02:26:41,749 --> 02:26:43,925 They're affectionately called the Bubba Army. 2752 02:26:44,099 --> 02:26:46,536 The Bubba Army strong, the Bubba Army proud, 2753 02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:48,669 the Bubba Army, they're not going anywhere. 2754 02:26:51,019 --> 02:26:53,239 It's okay. You can't kill me. 2755 02:26:53,413 --> 02:26:55,545 You tried to fucking kill me, but you didn't. 2756 02:26:56,503 --> 02:26:58,461 I'm like the cockroach of radio. 2757 02:26:58,635 --> 02:27:00,028 I ain't going nowhere. 2758 02:28:01,785 --> 02:28:04,484 ♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪ 2759 02:28:04,658 --> 02:28:06,486 ♪ Soul swingin' ♪ 2760 02:28:07,487 --> 02:28:10,229 ♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪ 2761 02:28:10,403 --> 02:28:12,579 ♪ Soul swingin' ♪ 2762 02:28:13,232 --> 02:28:15,974 ♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪ 2763 02:28:16,148 --> 02:28:17,976 ♪ Soul swingin' ♪ 2764 02:28:18,977 --> 02:28:21,718 ♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪ 2765 02:28:21,893 --> 02:28:24,069 ♪ Soul swingin' ♪ 2766 02:28:30,684 --> 02:28:32,686 Terry, we're on the air. - What? 2767 02:28:32,860 --> 02:28:34,731 I-- I'm just saying we're on the air right now. 2768 02:28:34,906 --> 02:28:36,472 Yeah, we're not in a huddle making the plans. 2769 02:28:36,646 --> 02:28:38,170 - Yeah. - Oh. Okay. Well, fuck-- 2770 02:28:38,344 --> 02:28:40,346 When did Brent become the fucking quarterback? 2771 02:28:40,520 --> 02:28:42,783 When did Brent become the fucking quarterback? 2772 02:28:42,957 --> 02:28:45,133 Well, I'm the offensive coordinator. I'm trying to tell you. 2773 02:28:45,307 --> 02:28:46,700 You guys have made him bad for the cause. 2774 02:28:47,440 --> 02:28:49,050 All you have to do is play my clips and then-- 2775 02:28:49,224 --> 02:28:51,183 And if, if, if anything that I said, that's real, 2776 02:28:51,357 --> 02:28:53,054 it's, it's completely invalidated 2777 02:28:53,228 --> 02:28:54,708 because theFear Factor guy just said it. 2778 02:28:54,882 --> 02:28:56,144 I'm bad, I'm bad for the cause. 2779 02:29:01,933 --> 02:29:03,369 You let Sluggo feel your boobs 2780 02:29:03,543 --> 02:29:05,240 and see how the, the, the new gummy-- 2781 02:29:05,414 --> 02:29:07,155 Not that he's felt a lot of boobs. I don't know. 2782 02:29:07,329 --> 02:29:08,983 Yes. But, I mean, you know, the-- 2783 02:29:09,157 --> 02:29:11,203 on how the, the, the gummy texture is a problem. 2784 02:29:11,377 --> 02:29:13,770 Are you medically trained? Can I, can I 2785 02:29:13,945 --> 02:29:16,817 - put this out there as, like, a breast exam? - Of course. 2786 02:29:16,991 --> 02:29:19,037 But you're right. 2787 02:29:19,211 --> 02:29:21,778 There's hate in this country. It's at an all-time level, 2788 02:29:21,953 --> 02:29:23,867 with the exception of the Civil War. 2789 02:29:24,042 --> 02:29:25,521 Well, you know, and, Bill, I've been a victim 2790 02:29:25,695 --> 02:29:27,741 of people wanting to destroy my career. 2791 02:29:27,915 --> 02:29:30,222 You have-- There-- There's a thing in the news today. 2792 02:29:30,396 --> 02:29:32,746 But she, you know, she's, like, got this 2793 02:29:32,920 --> 02:29:34,617 big thing, that she'd love to do Playboy 2794 02:29:34,791 --> 02:29:36,968 just because, you know, whatever. Because it's like 2795 02:29:37,142 --> 02:29:38,926 - a, you know, almost a-- - But it's kind of fun, you know. 2796 02:29:39,100 --> 02:29:40,580 It's an icon-type deal. And I'm like-- I'm-- 2797 02:29:40,754 --> 02:29:42,103 I have a problem with my wife doing Playboy. 2798 02:29:42,277 --> 02:29:44,105 - Why? - You're supposed 2799 02:29:44,279 --> 02:29:45,977 - to be on my team, asshole. - No, I'm just asking. 2800 02:29:46,151 --> 02:29:47,413 I, I understand your pain on that one. 2801 02:29:47,587 --> 02:29:48,762 Yeah. 2802 02:29:48,936 --> 02:29:49,893 Bubba is a real man. 2803 02:29:50,068 --> 02:29:51,069 He told everyone here off. 2804 02:29:51,591 --> 02:29:53,549 And, uh... 2805 02:29:55,682 --> 02:29:57,292 - That's right. Took the punishment. - And you know what? 2806 02:29:57,466 --> 02:29:59,686 Benji, I'm, I'm accepting my punishment, am I not? 2807 02:29:59,860 --> 02:30:01,688 I'm trying to pick up the pieces. You know, I mean, today, I-- 2808 02:30:01,862 --> 02:30:04,343 You're on, you're on thin ice. Howard hates you, Benji. 2809 02:30:04,517 --> 02:30:06,475 Oh, like, Jay-Z and those guys, 2810 02:30:06,649 --> 02:30:08,173 those are new money. You're, like, mid-level, 2811 02:30:08,347 --> 02:30:10,218 but, like, uh, you know, midlife crisis money. 2812 02:30:10,392 --> 02:30:12,438 And then Jerry would be old-school money. 2813 02:30:12,612 --> 02:30:14,831 Yeah, Jerry-- I mean, Jerry busted his ass to get 2814 02:30:15,006 --> 02:30:17,660 what he got, man. He was, he was always getting... 2815 02:30:19,097 --> 02:30:21,664 ♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪ 2816 02:30:21,838 --> 02:30:24,450 - ♪ Soul swingin'♪ - ♪ Whoo! ♪ 2817 02:30:24,624 --> 02:30:26,495 ♪ Soul swingin', yeah ♪ 237959

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