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MAN: Before we get into
the deep stuff, let's just talk,
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let's give some basics.
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Remember, when you're answering
these questions,
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I'm not in the shot
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and they're never gonna hear
my voice.
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Oh, boy. OK.
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WOMAN: The first word that I would
use to describe Jeffrey Epstein
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other than a predator
is 'mysterious'.
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How did he become so wealthy?
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How did he ingratiate himself
into the exact right social circles?
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How did he get away
without being caught for so long?
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(GIRLS LAUGH)
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WOMAN: I never
could have anticipated
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how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.
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MAN: There's something
deeply fucked up with you.
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At least something.
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We know there are things
deeply fucked up
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you will get through in this film,
right?
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MAN: Where I come from
you don't kill my brother
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and walk away from that.
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What are the Epstein files?
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WOMAN: The Epstein files are all the
information that the government has
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regarding Jeffrey Epstein
and his co-conspirators.
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MAN: Photographic evidence,
interviews of victims.
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MAN 2: Emails written to him,
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text messages.
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MAN 3: Court documents, FBI reports.
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And it is much more expansive
than you had ever even imagined.
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MAN 4: People want to see names.
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They want to know
who the sex traffickers are.
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They want to know who
the paedophiles are
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and they want vengeance.
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WOMAN: Do you know the names
of powerful people
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who have not yet been named publicly?
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Yes.
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Congressman Khanna!
Hello, I'm Grace Tobin...
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Nice to see you.
..from Australia.
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Why do you think
it's a fight that has united
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a very divided
political spectrum here?
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You can't rape underage girls.
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You can't cover that up.
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MAN: Trump opened up Pandora's box.
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He thought that he could crack it
open slightly and shut it.
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But the curse
is not going back into the box.
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WOMAN: I don't understand
why the President fought it so hard.
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Releasing the Epstein files
is about revealing
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all of that dirty, nasty,
horrible things that happened.
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Why would he cover this up?
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MAN: I think he's protecting
rich and powerful men
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who participated in sex trafficking.
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REPORTER: 3 million pages,
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180,000 images.
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The latest dump
from the Epstein files
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after weeks of political pressure.
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That moment
created global shock waves.
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REPORTER: A day of extreme jeopardy
for Sir Keir Starmer.
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REPORTER 2: Norway's Crown Princess
is facing intense scrutiny.
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REPORTER 3: Extraordinary news
out of the UK.
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The former Prince Andrew
has been arrested.
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WOMAN: The Epstein files
are part of the Epstein story.
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You have to understand how
the Epstein files fit in
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to what Epstein was doing,
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and the failures of the
US government in doing their job.
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WOMAN: The Epstein story
has one man at its centre,
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one spider in the centre of the web.
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But that web could not
have been constructed
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without complicity.
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Do you think
you're the devil himself?
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No. But I do have a good mirror.
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NEWSREADER: We are going to turn now
to the debate in Washington
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over the release
of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
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Today, a group of survivors
of the Epstein controversy
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will be here on Capitol Hill.
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Urgent new calls for transparency
from Epstein survivors,
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24 of whom are now
re-upping their demand
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that Congress release
all of the Epstein files.
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WOMAN: It's an honour to stand here
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for something America
is finally united on -
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the immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.
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There's approximately 1,200 women
that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein
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and they say other men.
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They've wanted justice
and they fought very hard for it.
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WOMAN: We are more than victims.
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We are mothers, daughters,
sisters, friends.
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And we will not be erased.
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MAN: Some of these women
have been at this 20 years.
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Some of them had, I believe,
almost given up.
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But the fact that they were invited
to the capital of the United States
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to speak truth to power,
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and that every media outlet,
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you know, showed up,
they're renewed in their efforts.
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This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.
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This is me when I met
Jeffrey Epstein.
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A lot of us, it was the first time
that we had spoken publicly.
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My name is Dani Bensky.
This was me at 17 years old.
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So we were just kind of standing
in solidarity with each other
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and saying to the world,
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like, "There's more of us
than you thought."
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My name is Marina Lacerda.
I was minor victim one.
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My name is Gena-Lisa Jones
and I was only 14 years old.
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My name is Chauntae Davis.
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My name is Laura Bloom McGee.
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My name is Haley Robson.
My name is Anoushka De Georgiou.
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My name is Courtney Wild.
My name is Lisa Phillips.
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My name is Ashley Rubright
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and I am a survivor of Jeffrey
Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
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When you're a survivor of abuse
from a serial predator,
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you just have this bond
with the other survivors.
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We understand each other
like nobody else can.
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WOMAN: It's been a tremendous
mountain to move to get here.
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It took an incredible outcry
from the public,
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huge political will,
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and it took the blood, sweat
and tears of the survivors.
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And that's many, many tears
from the survivors to get here.
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So we're just heading in
to meet with Ashley Rubright,
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who is a survivor
of Jeffrey Epstein.
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And she's only just started
speaking out publicly
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about what happened to her.
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We're this house here.
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Hi, Ashley. How are you?
Good. How are you?
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It's nice to meet you.
So nice to meet you. Come in.
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Thank you so much for having us.
Of course.
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Oh, it's still very Christmassy
in here, isn't it?
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Yes.
(LAUGHS)
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When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?
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So it was about 2002 to 2003
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and I would have been...about 15.
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I was going to
Summit Christian School.
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I was a cheerleader.
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I was in dance,
like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.
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Um, I was working
at a barbecue restaurant
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and one of my coworkers,
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he asked me one day
in the restaurant
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if I would like to give a man
a massage for $200.
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I thought about it for a second
and said, "Sure."
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I just remember pulling
into his house in Palm Beach.
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And we were led into the kitchen.
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And then Sarah Kellen came in,
his assistant.
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Said it was time.
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Then Sarah, she's the one
that led me upstairs.
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I didn't look around.
I was just looking down.
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So all I remember was the pink
carpet on the spiral staircase.
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And she opened the door and said,
"Alright, I'll be back in an hour."
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I was shocked when I walked
into the bathroom.
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But then I calmed myself down,
thinking,
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"Of course, he's naked because
that's how people get massages
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"and I should just
not be so shocked."
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He just kind of laid on the table.
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And then he told me
how to massage him.
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Then he flipped over.
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And...
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That's... Things got...
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..really way more inappropriate
there.
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And he asked me to...
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..to take off my bra and...
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..to pull up my skirt
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and...
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He was touching himself
the whole time.
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I was just trying not to look.
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And he would grab me,
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grab my behind and...
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I was just trying to
not be there, you know,
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at that time.
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And...
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..he finished and hopped up.
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And...
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..then Sarah came in
and led me back downstairs.
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I felt shocked.
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And then I remember...
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..trying to rationalise it.
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It had to have just been
like a fluke, a one time...
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..thing that he just
couldn't control.
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I did go back one more time.
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The second time, it escalated.
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I just remembered Jeffrey
bringing over a basket
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and asking me to pick one and
asking me if I knew how to use it.
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And...
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..he had me sit
on the bathroom floor
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and he sat on the edge
of the massage table.
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And I remember what happened.
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A basket of sex toys?
Yes.
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Thank you for saying that.
Yeah. That's OK.
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So this was 2000.
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And these are all just,
like, happy messages.
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I read some of my yearbooks
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and it was such a drastic change.
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Right after Jeffrey,
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the messages, even my face.
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Everything had started
to just look darker.
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This one says, "We had fun
when you're not so mad."
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or, "You're sweet
when you're not mad." Yeah.
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I was angry, and I...
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..I didn't care who got
the brunt of it, at all.
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Yeah.
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I stopped cheerleading,
I stopped dance.
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And I kind of went from, like...
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..trying to do good
to just not caring.
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Did you tell anyone
what happened to you?
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Just my friend Sean
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but nobody else.
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I didn't think there was a story
to tell, really, you know?
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MAN: Mr Epstein, is it true you
were born January 20th, 1953?
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Yes.
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Where?
New York.
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Where in New York.
Brooklyn.
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Hey, Adam.
Hi, Grace.
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How are you?
Pleasure to meet you.
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Nice to meet you too. Thanks
so much for doing this with us.
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My pleasure, my pleasure.
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Adam, can you tell me
a bit about yourself?
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Well, I've been a legal journalist
for close to two decades now,
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and the Southern District
of New York was my long-time beat.
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So you see a lot of cases
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of national and international
significance going into that court.
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And one of them just happened
to be Epstein's.
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We are in Coney Island.
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Coney Island, Brooklyn.
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We're right near
where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.
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And this is actually
the Sea Gate community
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in the distance right there,
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Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home.
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Jeffrey Epstein had
a modest upbringing
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in an immigrant community
in Brooklyn.
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His father worked at
the New York City Parks Department.
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His mother worked at a school.
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And he had a younger brother,
Mark.
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He had a lifelong fascination
with math
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and by all accounts,
was pretty good at it.
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This is The Dalton Prep School.
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It is where he got his first job.
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Even though he was
a college dropout,
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his first job was at
a very prestigious school
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where he was a math teacher.
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One of the parents of a student
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introduced him to
the CEO of Bear Stearns,
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a man named Ace Greenberg,
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where he got his first job
on Wall Street.
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(GENERAL STOCK MARKET CHATTER)
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We are on Wall Street,
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where Jeffrey Epstein
made his fortune.
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He was, by all accounts,
very charming.
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Jeffrey Epstein tried to,
throughout his life,
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make connections with people
with money and power.
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He was able to get people
to trust him very quickly.
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He won the trust of billionaires
like Leslie Wexner,
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who gave him power of attorney.
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He won the trust of Leon Black,
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who paid him
hundreds of millions of dollars,
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far above the market rate.
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And from there, uh,
there is a lot of mystery,
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but we're getting a picture
more and more
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of him finagling people,
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uh, wheeling and dealing,
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and ultimately became
fabulously wealthy.
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This is Jeffrey Epstein's
Upper East Side townhouse mansion
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and the famous, uh,
lantern over the door.
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He had a massage room in there.
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He had the dining room,
where he entertained.
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I mean, the photos
really do tell the story.
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Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine
Maxwell in the early 1990s.
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As the daughter of a media tycoon,
with a British accent,
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she brought something that
Jeffrey Epstein didn't have -
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access to the elite.
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Have you got drinks?
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They socialised with politicians
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with big names in academia,
finance, you name it.
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Whether it was the man known
at the time as Prince Andrew.
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Or whether it was
former president Bill Clinton.
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He had his private island
in the US Virgin Islands,
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a ranch outside of Santa Fe,
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property in Palm Beach
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and in Paris.
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He was flaunting his jet-setting
lifestyle and his massive wealth.
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JEFFREY EPSTEIN: Look at me
like you love me.
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I can't wait.
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OK, so now I'm walking towards
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the lily pond.
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I'm here on the beach by myself.
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This is my swimming pool - my beach.
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No-one's allowed to dock here.
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The luncheon place.
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The nursery.
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At the point there is the library.
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PHILLIPS: It's an honour
to stand here again
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for something
America is finally united on.
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The immediate release
of the entire Epstein files.
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So these are just
my modelling pictures.
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Mm-hm.
Like, when I started out.
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This is when I was 17.
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I would send these to modelling
agencies to get started.
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I was a fashion model in New York,
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had worked my way up
since I was 15 or 16 years old.
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So this was from the actual week
I met Jeffrey.
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Ah.
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The year 2000 and I had booked,
like, a really big job.
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Our agent at the time, Jeff,
sent us to Tortola
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on the Caribbean Sea.
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Tortola was a small island.
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There was really not that much
to do there.
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So the other model was like, "You
know, we have a free day tomorrow."
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She suggested we go see her friend,
you know, Jeffrey Epstein,
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that owned an island nearby.
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Yeah, we were both,
like maybe 22 years old.
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Spent the day just, like, playing
in the pool, in the ocean.
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And there I met
two other young blonde girls.
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Went to dinner that evening,
and I met Jeffrey Epstein.
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He was laser focused on me
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and asking so many questions
about my childhood
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and my dreams and aspirations.
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I had told him in that time
that we had shared on the island
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that I wanted to be a Ford model,
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and I kind of built up this trust
with this man.
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Getting ready to go to sleep,
there just was a knock at the door,
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and one of the other young girls
poked her head in and was like,
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"Jeffrey's ready
for his massage now."
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And I'm just like, "OK, well, you go
ahead, I'm going to bed."
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And she was just like, "No, he said
for you to give the massage."
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Long story short,
like, I just had to go.
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And so I experienced, you know,
sexual abuse that evening, um,
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from Jeffrey and the other girl
that was there.
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I think when you're younger,
you always blame yourself.
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Like, "What did I do?
Was I flirting with this guy?"
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Like, I went home and I wanted
nothing to do with him after that.
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And a few months had passed
and he called me.
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A lot of my modelling castings
would be here in Soho.
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Right up here, when I was walking,
right up here
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was where I got the call
from Jeffrey.
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He was very brief and to the point
that he had remembered,
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you know, my goals and ambitions
that I told him on the island -
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that I wanted to be a Ford model,
big dream of mine,
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and that he knew the owner
of the Ford Modelling Agency
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and for me to go over there
and meet with her.
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And I was just thinking,
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whatever happened to me
on the island wasn't good,
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but maybe he was trying
to make up for it,
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you know, by saying,
"I remember your goal,
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"well, I can help you out."
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During that time,
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were you ever abused
by Epstein again
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or any men in his orbit?
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So, yeah, I was abused by him again.
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And through his connections
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where he would sent me on auditions
and things.
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But back then, I wasn't aware
that I was trafficked.
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Can you explain a bit more about
how the trafficking operation worked?
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Well, auditions are castings
by Epstein.
347
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So it's like,
"Oh, let me just send you.
348
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"My friend is casting
a really big film right now."
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And you're sent somewhere
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where all of a sudden
you're propositioned for sex
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and the people around you
are enforcing it.
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Just thought it was the business.
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Just thought I was going
to a casting and audition, working,
354
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and that's kind of how some of
the older men were, just creepy.
355
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And I never connected it
to a more nefarious ring
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that involved modelling agencies
and Epstein.
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There were hundreds of girls from
these Eastern European countries
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sent to Paris, sent to New York.
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You know, they were doing quite
abusive things to these models.
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It was like a well-oiled machine.
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Fast forward a few years later,
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I had a girlfriend who was
also involved in this Epstein world.
363
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She had came to me one evening
and said that
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Jeffrey had made her go into a room,
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made to go have sex with somebody
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and so she at that time was scared.
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I became scared, and we kind of...
368
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..both kind of moved out of New York
at that time
369
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and I never saw him again after that
'cause I was scared.
370
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KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein's trail
of sexual abuse happened globally.
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However, Palm Beach was the centre,
in many ways, of the sexual abuse
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and where his crimes
were originally investigated.
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Hey there. We're just
driving around Palm Beach.
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Is there any way to get through
or no?
375
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No, not...
Is this closed?
376
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Yeah.
OK. Alright. Just wanted to check.
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Why is it closed?
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Because Trump's in town.
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So I'm Holly Baltz.
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I'm a retired investigations editor
from the Palm Beach Post.
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Just newly retired.
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We, as in the Post, covered Epstein
from the very beginning.
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I never could have anticipated
how big this case got to be.
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Palm Beach Police first started
investigating Jeffrey Epstein
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when the stepmother
of a ninth grader
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at Royal Palm Beach High School
reported
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that a wealthy man had molested
her daughter in March of 2005.
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This is the east/west route
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that goes past
Royal Palm Beach High School.
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You know, it wasn't just
the one girl.
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Police found that a number
of victims were recruited here.
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They started
interviewing more girls,
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and every time they did,
it was like peeling back an onion.
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Not only were the girls
getting sexually abused themselves,
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but he also offered to pay them
if they'd bring their friends.
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Um, and these were girls
who didn't have a lot of money.
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KLASFELD: During Jeffrey Epstein's
first criminal investigation,
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many of the survivors
started finding lawyers
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who were willing to bring their
stories forward and file lawsuits.
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MAN: I first got involved in the
Epstein matter back in about 2006.
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I was working at a litigation firm
here in Palm Beach County
402
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,840
and a young girl walked
into our office with her parents
403
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,720
and told a crazy story about
a rich man on Palm Beach Island
404
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,680
that had paid her about $200
405
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,680
to go to the home
and give him a massage
406
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,680
that turned into a sexually explicit
and inappropriate massage.
407
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,040
Initially,
I didn't quite believe her,
408
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,720
to be perfectly honest,
it sounded pretty incredible.
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00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,600
But once I interviewed
the police detective
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that was conducting
the investigation,
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I realised that this was real.
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Michael Reiter was the
chief of police back at the time.
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00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,440
And Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator.
414
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,840
Correct?
415
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,600
OK. You were like the houseman?
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What can you tell me about that?
417
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So he can massage in the morning,
massage in the afternoon.
418
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And besides that...
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OK.
420
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And actually...
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BALTZ: As police officers
gathered the evidence,
422
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Epstein put together
a huge team of...
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It was like a dream team.
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All really well-known attorneys
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and attorneys who,
uh, were very aggressive.
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00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,280
KUVIN: It is widely reported that
Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team
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had some of the victims
followed by blacked-out SUVs,
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uh, you know, showed...
showing up at their houses.
429
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But they were also investigating
the lead investigator, Joe.
430
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And I asked to meet him.
431
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So he picked a Starbucks
in downtown West Palm Beach.
432
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And when I sat down and
I started talking to him,
433
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his head was on a swivel
and he kept looking around.
434
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And I said, "What are you...
what are you doing?"
435
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And I'll never forget,
he looks at me and he says,
436
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"You have no idea
what they're doing to me."
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00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,480
They had been digging
through his personal trash,
438
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,560
and he said to me,
439
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,400
"I've never seen this kind
of an operation before."
440
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,320
But Palm Beach Police, they were
very dogged in pursuing Epstein.
441
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240
We're police officers
of Palm Beach County, Florida.
442
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,440
They kept amassing victims.
443
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,480
The premises occupied or under
the control of Jeffrey Epstein.
444
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White male. Date of birth 1/20/53.
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KLASFELD: When the first criminal
investigation of Jeffrey Epstein
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was going on,
447
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it had originally seemed like
something that could sustain
448
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,640
an indictment with dozens of counts,
449
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,880
that Palm Beach Police
were building a very strong case.
450
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But when the entire case
was packaged up
451
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and given to the state attorney...
452
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..the state attorney here
in Palm Beach at the time
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00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,280
decided not to file charges.
454
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,840
Chief of Police Michael Reiter was
so upset at the lack of prosecution
455
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,360
on the state level
456
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that he elevated this
to the federal level.
457
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,520
BALTZ: The FBI was keen to prosecute
in the beginning, for sure.
458
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,920
And they found very much similar
things as Palm Beach Police,
459
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,280
but new victims.
460
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,920
And what came of that was
a draft indictment, 60 counts.
461
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,280
However, this giant case
that Palm Beach Police
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00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,960
spent so much time investigating
463
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,000
pleaded down to
a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal
464
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after intense lobbying
by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
465
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,200
The charges
that they ended up bringing
466
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were solicitation
for prostitution of a minor.
467
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,160
It's basically calling these victims
prostitutes.
468
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,000
The deal was approved
by then US attorney Alex Acosta
469
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,800
and then kept secret
from the victims.
470
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,440
And I think that
the sweetheart plea deal
471
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was, in many ways,
the original sin of this.
472
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,240
KUVIN: It was one of the most
awful deals I've ever seen.
473
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,840
There isn't a plea deal before or
since that I've ever seen like this.
474
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,520
It gave complete immunity
to not just Epstein,
475
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,400
but it included and not limited to
476
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,880
potential co-conspirators
Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross,
477
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,600
Lesley Groff, and Nadia Marcinkova.
478
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,800
TOBIN: And so these are some of the
women who helped recruit other girls?
479
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,840
Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme,
480
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,080
these were the people
that were really at the third level,
481
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,680
right below Ghislaine Maxwell.
482
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080
REPORTER: Jeffrey Epstein went to
jail just before 10:00 this morning.
483
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:46,960
He pleaded guilty in open court.
484
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,040
He agreed to serve
a total of 18 months
485
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,640
in a Palm Beach detention facility.
486
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,040
People who commit sex crimes
against minors
487
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,840
go to prison for a very long time.
488
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Not Jeffrey Epstein.
489
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,040
He was sentenced to
18 months in jail.
490
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,480
He could get work release
for 12 hours a day, six days a week.
491
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,920
FREEMAN: He wound up
being in a cushy jail
492
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920
where he was the only person
in that wing.
493
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,840
He could go out, go to his office,
take a walk on the beach,
494
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,040
do whatever he wanted
during the day.
495
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,920
That's no kind of punishment.
496
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,880
KUVIN: We had been litigating
against Epstein
497
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240
on behalf of one of my clients.
498
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,280
He was being allowed out
during days.
499
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,840
So we noticed Epstein
for deposition.
500
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,640
Could you please give us your name?
Jeffrey Epstein.
501
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,600
So I wanted him to realise
I didn't care who he was,
502
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,920
what his power was,
what his status was,
503
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,440
I was gonna ask him the most
embarrassing possible thing I could.
504
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Is it true, sir, that, um...
505
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,040
..you have what's been described
as an egg-shaped penis?
506
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,480
He hears me ask the question,
watch him look at his lawyers,
507
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,400
like, "Can you believe
he's asking me this?"
508
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,520
MAN: And I'm going to give you
the first warning, Mr Kuvin.
509
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,800
I had been the first lawyer
to ask him any questions
510
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,040
in the cases that had been filed.
511
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:20,320
One witness described your penis
as oval-shaped,
512
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720
thin and small towards
the head portion.
513
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120
See, he's angry.
He's ready to walk out the door.
514
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,440
And then he sees that the attorneys
are gonna talk.
515
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,000
That serves no other purpose
other than embarrass Mr Epstein.
516
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,440
It's just totally unethical.
It's improper.
517
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,960
The purpose of that question is
518
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,960
how could a 14-year-old know
what his private part looked like?
519
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,160
That question was directly relevant
to the claims in the case.
520
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840
The deposition is terminated
at this point.
521
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,080
OK. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it.
Thank you.
522
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,080
Shortest deposition I've ever taken.
(LAUGHS)
523
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,640
Ever.
Ever.
524
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,840
Wow. So he probably is feeling
pretty confident at this point
525
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000
that he's gotten away with this.
Pretty much. Yeah.
526
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,520
I mean, he had done his deal,
527
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680
and now he was just
getting through the civil cases,
528
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,800
thinking that it was
all over and all done.
529
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,120
NEWSREADER: A few steps, a smile and
a wave to the deputy at the door.
530
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,920
We watched Jeffrey Epstein
walk out of jail.
531
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,040
Epstein served 13 months
of an 18-month sentence.
532
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,000
MAN: He's very happy that
his jail sentence is over
533
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,720
and he can begin
a new chapter in his life.
534
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,920
KLASFELD: When Jeffrey Epstein
got out of jail,
535
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,720
the fact that he was prosecuted,
536
00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,560
the fact that he was
a registered sex offender
537
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,480
didn't seem to stand in the way
538
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,600
of his re-entry
into high society, wealth and power.
539
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,200
The power and influence he had
convinced a lot of people
540
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,480
to look the other way.
541
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,560
Prince Andrew looked the other way.
542
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,120
We also saw Bill Gates meeting
with Epstein, despite his past.
543
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,440
WOMAN: He was some sort of
soothsayer, apparently,
544
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,840
to a lot of these men
that were asking him for advice.
545
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,400
I think that a lot of people
probably knew
546
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,400
that everything
was not on the up and up,
547
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120
but for whatever reason, they wanted
to be a part of his inner circle.
548
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:36,080
I had a reporter who was covering
Epstein every step of the way.
549
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:41,160
It was difficult
to get people to pay attention.
550
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,160
They felt like he had served
his time and there you go.
551
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,000
Epstein's conviction
wasn't even a speed bump.
552
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,120
I've been researching and writing
about child trafficking
553
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,160
since 2002, 2003,
554
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,960
and I had this intuition
that Jeffrey Epstein
555
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,080
was very similar to the network
that I'd investigated,
556
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:09,120
and I just felt that
something was seriously wrong.
557
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,440
So in 2012, I went down to Florida
558
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,840
and I had the good fortune
of getting the black book.
559
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,880
The black book is just a list
of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.
560
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,920
It has billionaires,
561
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,920
some people in showbiz,
562
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,680
captains of industry.
563
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Um, and multiple girls
were in the black book.
564
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,000
I started talking
to some of the girls,
565
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,360
and they told me that they'd been
flown here or flown there
566
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,120
and then one told me that
she'd been flown to an island.
567
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,040
So in 2012,
568
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,160
I believed Jeffrey Epstein
was running a network.
569
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:00,760
And I also had the flight logs.
570
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,400
So were these the flight logs
just for his private plane, then?
571
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,520
Yes.
572
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,280
Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz,
573
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.
574
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,800
I mean, there were a number
of very powerful people
575
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,840
that were flying with
Jeffrey Epstein.
576
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,840
And there were a number of girls
on the flight logs,
577
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,120
and I assumed that
some of them were minors.
578
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,720
I worked on getting that story
published for three years,
579
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:38,360
and finally Gawker stepped up
and published my work.
580
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,000
The mainstream media
just didn't want to embrace it.
581
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,400
KLASFELD: After that point, we
would get glimpses of information.
582
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,600
Virginia Giuffre, one of the
Epstein survivors from Palm Beach,
583
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,760
had moved to Australia
after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.
584
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:07,000
She claimed that she was trafficked
to then-Prince Andrew
585
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,680
when she was a minor.
586
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,560
She was 17 at the time.
587
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,760
Can you tell me about
the photo that she provided
588
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,680
to a newspaper in 2011?
589
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,960
Virginia Giuffre had produced
a now infamous photograph
590
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,160
of her, then-Prince Andrew
591
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,200
and Ghislaine Maxwell.
592
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Andrew claimed that it was a fake
593
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,320
and denied criminal wrongdoing.
594
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,600
BRYANT: Thing about Virginia is
595
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,280
she'd been with Epstein
for a couple of years
596
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,600
and he had taken her everyplace.
597
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,240
So she was pretty knowledgeable
about his network
598
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:47,720
and she was launching civil suits,
599
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:52,360
and she named Jeffrey Epstein and
Ghislaine Maxwell as perpetrators
600
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,960
who trafficked her
601
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,800
to his rich and powerful cronies.
602
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,640
But she wasn't being taken seriously
by the media.
603
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,160
Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively
bullied media organisations
604
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,640
that tried to look under that rock.
605
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,800
Things remained kind of dormant
for a number of years,
606
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,760
until another story came out
of the Miami Herald
607
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,760
and a reporter that went back
and looked at some of the deals
608
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,720
that were struck
with Jeffrey Epstein.
609
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:32,360
Julie Brown, her reporting
really opened up the case.
610
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,000
One second.
611
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,680
Oh, you're calling Julie?
612
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,480
Good morning.
613
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,120
Good morning. How are you?
I'm wonderful.
614
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,840
I have a very pleasant Australian
reporter here in my office
615
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,640
uh, that would like to chat with you
616
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,480
if you could give her time.
617
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,600
Hang on.
OK.
618
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,200
Hi, Julie.
619
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,920
I've been contacted by a lot
of people...
620
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,600
Yeah, I can imagine.
..hard to keep it straight but...
621
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,880
Yeah.
622
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,680
Yeah, give me a call.
But this week is not a good week.
623
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,480
So we can talk about it later.
OK. Yeah, sure.
624
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,040
Hey, Julie. I'm so glad
we could make this happen.
625
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,800
Yes.
(BOTH CHUCKLE)
626
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,040
Persistence pays off, right?
Yep. It's OK.
627
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,880
Especially since you were willing
to come all the way to Philadelphia.
628
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,000
I thought, "Oh, my God.
This girl's never gonna give up.
629
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,800
"I might as well
just get it over with."
630
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:40,240
Tell me how you came to investigate
Jeffrey Epstein.
631
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:44,320
Well, I started investigating it
right before the election in 2016.
632
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Most journalists in America knew,
you know,
633
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,120
something about
the Jeffrey Epstein case,
634
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,760
especially Epstein's
sweetheart deal.
635
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,600
Very lenient plea deal.
636
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,760
And there was a lot of stories
about,
637
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080
"How did he get this deal?
This doesn't make any sense."
638
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,640
But nothing that I could find
really showed me
639
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,800
how he got away with this crime.
640
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,600
And so I just started
requesting the records,
641
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,440
not knowing
where it was going to lead me.
642
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,080
Somehow, I got a list
of almost a hundred victims.
643
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:23,440
In the end, I had like four victims
that were willing to go and talk.
644
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,440
And in the middle
when I was doing that,
645
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,880
Trump nominated Alexander Acosta
to be Labor secretary.
646
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,560
I want to thank President Trump
for the privilege of serving.
647
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,640
Acosta was the US Attorney in Miami
648
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,560
that signed off
on Epstein's sweetheart deal.
649
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,120
I, Alexander Acosta,
do solemnly swear...
650
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,840
So then I pitched a story
that we would go to the victims
651
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,720
and ask them, you know,
what they think about the man
652
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,080
that let their predator
off the hook,
653
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:55,800
who is now, by the way, in charge
654
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,360
of one of the largest
government agencies in the country
655
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,880
with oversight
of human trafficking.
656
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,440
It was a high pressure story
657
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,880
because it involved
a lot of important people.
658
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,320
It was going to be put online
very early in the morning,
659
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,960
so we sort of braced ourselves,
I guess you could say.
660
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,200
And at the time that morning,
there was a funny story
661
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,760
that was at the top
of our leaderboard.
662
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,680
My story was at the very bottom.
663
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,040
And so I packed everything up.
I thought, "That's it for the day.
664
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,080
"You know, I'm going to take
the day off."
665
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,920
And I was getting all ready
and another reporter said to me,
666
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,320
"Julie, look at this story."
667
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,880
And it was going boom, boom, boom.
668
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,600
We are going to begin
with a much closer look
669
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,240
at the disturbing case
of Jeffrey Epstein.
670
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,720
Joining me this morning is
Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.
671
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,320
Investigative reporter
behind the Miami Herald expose...
672
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,400
Julie Brown, let me ask you,
set the scene for us.
673
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,240
KUVIN: This story uncovered
this underbelly of society,
674
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,840
of the rich and powerful
675
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,520
and what they were doing to people
who were less powerful.
676
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,880
KLASFELD: The Miami Herald series
677
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,760
drops in November 2018.
678
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,560
It had such an impact
that by July of the following year,
679
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,720
Jeffrey Epstein is arrested
and charged with sex trafficking.
680
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,240
REPORTER: Billionaire
Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested
681
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:26,320
for alleged sex trafficking
of young girls,
682
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,480
and agents have been coming in
and out of his Manhattan mansion
683
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,480
all morning.
684
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,440
MAN: Epstein is charged
in a two-count indictment.
685
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,480
First - conspiracy
to commit sex trafficking
686
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,360
and second, sex trafficking
of underage girls,
687
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,080
beginning in at least 2002
and continuing until 2005
688
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,160
at his mansion in New York
and in Palm Beach, Florida.
689
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,280
I'm not going into any dealings
with main justice,
690
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,920
I will say that we were assisted
691
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,400
from some excellent
investigative journalism.
692
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,480
BROWN: I just got a call
from the news desk saying,
693
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,360
"We just got something over the wire
694
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,560
"that said that Epstein's
been arrested."
695
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,760
I was like, oh, you know,
it was incredible.
696
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,720
I was just... I couldn't believe it.
697
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.
698
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,320
Thanks so much for taking
the time to talk to me today.
699
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,360
Sure.
700
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,080
When your brother was arrested,
701
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,200
can you tell me what that was like,
that moment?
702
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:25,480
Jeffrey gets arrested, you know,
we spoke the night before.
703
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,040
He called me from Paris.
704
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,640
Just a normal, you know,
"What's new? How you doing?" call.
705
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,880
And then he flies home the next day
and he gets arrested.
706
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:39,480
BROWN: I wanted to be at his first
court appearance the next day.
707
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,920
He looked like such a small man.
708
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,240
You know, small, frail,
you know, human being.
709
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:52,160
Um, just looked lost, quite frankly.
710
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,920
I don't think he ever thought
he was going to be rearrested.
711
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,040
REPORTER: Now, yesterday,
we were there in court.
712
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,360
His attorneys are arguing
that Epstein struck a deal
713
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,760
with federal prosecutors
in Florida over similar crimes,
714
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,200
granting him immunity
after he pleaded guilty
715
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,240
to a lesser charge.
716
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,520
The US attorney who struck that deal
is Alexander Acosta.
717
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,480
BROWN: At that point, the media
started in Washington asking Trump,
718
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,120
"What's going to happen
with Alexander Acosta?"
719
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,200
Good afternoon.
720
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:24,800
And I remember that Acosta
did have a press conference.
721
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,160
We believe that
we proceeded appropriately.
722
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,800
There was value to getting a guilty
plea and having him registered.
723
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Thank you very much. Thank you.
724
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,560
BROWN: And I just remember
listening to him,
725
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,680
thinking, "These are all excuses.
726
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,360
"They don't work anymore."
727
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,400
And apparently it didn't work
728
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,840
because he then,
um, you know, resigned.
729
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,160
And so I called the President
this morning.
730
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,240
I told him that I thought
the right thing was to step aside.
731
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:02,400
(REPORTERS CLAMOUR)
732
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,040
FREEMAN: Finally, it seemed like
the government
733
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,080
was actually taking this seriously
734
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,240
by charging Epstein
with serious crimes,
735
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,720
sex trafficking.
736
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:14,680
And after that, other victims
started to realise, "I'm not alone."
737
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,560
RUBRIGHT: When he was arrested,
a lot of us were happy
738
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,920
that there was a second chance
for possibly some actual justice,
739
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,160
because what happened in 2008
wasn't justice
740
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,160
or him being held accountable.
741
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,000
And at that point,
742
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,080
I reached out to the FBI
and I was like, uh...
743
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,200
.."Here's another one
of us," you know?
744
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,920
Um, "And I-I want to be
a part of bringing him down."
745
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,240
KLASFELD: Jeffrey Epstein
was staying at
746
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,400
the rather notorious prison
747
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,240
where people await trial
on serious offences
748
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,280
in the Southern District
of New York.
749
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:16,080
MAN: The Metropolitan Correctional
Centre in Manhattan
750
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,600
is an environment completely foreign
to Jeffrey Epstein.
751
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,280
The conditions were filthy.
752
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,360
Rodents, cockroaches
all over the place.
753
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,760
I agreed to represent him
754
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,640
and I met with him.
755
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,120
But just before that,
there was this incident
756
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,720
in which there was a suggestion
757
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,040
that he tried to commit suicide.
758
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,920
REPORTER: The multi-millionaire
and convicted sex offender
759
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,160
is now on suicide watch after he
was found injured in his jail cell.
760
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,680
SCHOEN: I met with Jeffrey Epstein
on August 1st
761
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,600
for about five or six hours.
762
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,720
He denied that he had
tried to commit suicide.
763
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,320
The story that he told
about what had happened
764
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,960
was that the cellmate he had
765
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,800
forced him
to put a rope around his neck,
766
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,960
something, and pulled it, um,
767
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,800
just to see the reaction
Epstein would have.
768
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,080
But he told the
correctional officers
769
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,640
that he couldn't remember
what had happened
770
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,200
because he was afraid
if he got that guy in trouble,
771
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,760
that he would have trouble himself.
772
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,880
TOBIN: How was Jeffrey Epstein's
mood that day when you look back?
773
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,320
Good. I mean, he, again,
he didn't like being in the jail.
774
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,440
Um, but he was adamant
about wanting to fight the case,
775
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:27,960
and he was energised by our meeting.
776
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,160
I think he thought
he had a strong legal argument,
777
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,640
for example, on the agreement
that he had made
778
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,520
that he felt would have
barred his prosecution.
779
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:38,800
But nine days later,
780
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,840
the last thing I would have imagined
at the time happened.
781
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,880
NEWSREADER: NBC News has learned
782
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,560
that disgraced financier
Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
783
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,680
NEWSREADER 2: Sources
telling ABC News
784
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,560
that accused sex trafficker
Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide.
785
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,160
MAN: It appeared that
he had hung himself
786
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,240
We're trying to figure out
if he was still on suicide watch.
787
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,920
KLASFELD: It was astonishing.
788
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,640
This is someone who is being
prosecuted for historic crimes.
789
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,400
The world's attention is on this.
790
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,760
How is this man
allowed to turn up dead?
791
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,200
MARK EPSTEIN: And then the next
thing I know, I hear on the news
792
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,480
that Jeffrey was found dead
from an apparent suicide.
793
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,000
And at first, I had...
I had no reason to doubt it,
794
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,840
because, you know, he was in jail
795
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,640
and was facing a long time
in jail, potentially.
796
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,400
And I knew he wouldn't want to
live that way in jail.
797
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,040
So, I had no reason to doubt it
798
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:43,920
and I accepted that
he committed suicide.
799
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,120
Anyway, the next day,
I had to come back to New York
800
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,600
to identify his body.
801
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,320
As a family member, I had the right
802
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,640
to have my own pathologist
at the autopsy.
803
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,880
You know, just to see
everything was done right.
804
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,360
I spoke to his brother, I insisted
that the person I consider to be
805
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,280
the top forensic pathologist
in the world
806
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,920
participate in
an independent autopsy.
807
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:06,920
So, his name is Michael Baden.
808
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:13,280
I was medical examiner for the
New York State Police for 25 years
809
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,960
and did more than 20,000 autopsies.
810
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,920
In this instance,
I was asked to attend the autopsy
811
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,760
that was going to be done
the next day.
812
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,280
The history was that he was
found having committed suicide
813
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,920
by hanging in his jail cell.
814
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,560
When looking at the body, there was
815
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,480
a little odd situation there
because the ligature furrow
816
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,680
around the neck was horizontal.
817
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,120
In a suicidal hanging,
818
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,960
the ligature mark is usually
819
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,840
up the high part of the neck
and goes upwards.
820
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,960
And then the moment of surprise,
821
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,320
there were three fractures -
822
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,480
two of the thyroid cartilage,
823
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,760
which is the Adam's apple,
824
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,840
and one of the hyoid bone.
825
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,600
In 50 years of doing this,
I've never seen that.
826
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,400
That's much more common,
827
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:18,240
a crushing injury,
in a homicidal strangulation.
828
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,000
So, I think, at that point,
829
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,800
there was concern as to whether
it was suicide as thought or not.
830
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,120
SCHOEN: So, the medical examiner of
New York City, who conducted it,
831
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,640
she said that it was inconclusive -
832
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,040
she couldn't say it was suicide.
833
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,880
BADEN: But then her boss,
three or four days later,
834
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,280
changed it to suicide.
835
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,200
MARK EPSTEIN: And then, OK, now all
kinds of questions start coming up
836
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,560
and wheels start turning.
837
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,840
(HORN BLARES)
838
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,960
Barbara Sampson,
the chief medical examiner -
839
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,000
and she was not at the autopsy -
840
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,960
and so she comes up with the
conclusion of suicide based on what?
841
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,720
NEWSREADER: Tonight, Jeffrey
Epstein's attorneys questioning
842
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,840
whether his death was a suicide,
saying they will even
843
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,080
pursue, quote:
844
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,320
And it turned out somehow,
magically,
845
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,480
the cameras malfunctioned
that day
846
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,200
or was in a place where
the camera didn't reach.
847
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,200
So, this is now a correctional
officer taking an inmate down.
848
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,960
This is supposed to be
Jeffrey Epstein now.
849
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,160
You're talking about August 9th,
at almost 8:00 in the evening.
850
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,800
August 10th is when he was dead.
851
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,360
Do you think it's suspicious
852
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,320
that there's only this
one camera angle available?
853
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,400
That that's the only image?
854
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,480
If that's accurate, yes, I do,
I think it's suspicious.
855
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,040
And, um, you might say coincidental
that the cameras are malfunctioning,
856
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,720
you know, around that time,
but pretty unbelievable.
857
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,560
There were so many anomalies
that night.
858
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,640
His cellmate had been taken out,
859
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,960
the guards were sleeping,
860
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,560
the cameras were down.
861
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,480
All of these mysterious things
fuelled a lot of conspiracy theories.
862
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,640
There's just no way
you can hang yourself
863
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,360
off of a bunk bed at that height.
864
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,760
I think we have found
Jeffrey Epstein's killer.
865
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,000
And it's the most secure federal
lockup in the United States,
866
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,080
and he got murdered in it.
867
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,600
Who has the power to do that?
868
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,520
I've been studying
conspiracy theories for 15 years.
869
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,560
When I polled Americans asking them
what they thought about his death,
870
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,640
half the country
thought it was a conspiracy,
871
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,120
that he was killed by people
872
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,320
who were trying to cover up
their involvement with him.
873
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,400
And you don't normally get,
874
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,960
uh, conspiracy theories
getting half the country to buy in.
875
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,800
Yeah, I don't believe
any conspiracy theory,
876
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,880
but the fact that
he wanted to fight this case,
877
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,440
uh, until the day before he died,
878
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,960
um, says to me that
it's unlikely he committed suicide.
879
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,080
MARK EPSTEIN: I believe
he was murdered.
880
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,840
And if they do a real investigation
and they talk to the right people,
881
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,360
they could figure out
what actually took place.
882
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,400
Do you believe that
Epstein committed suicide?
883
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,120
No. No, I just don't believe it.
884
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,120
Um...no.
885
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,400
He had only been there
for a month.
886
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,400
I just think it was too soon
for him to throw in the towel.
887
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,320
PHILLIPS: From the Jeffrey Epstein
that I knew,
888
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,320
no, I don't think he killed himself,
I just don't.
889
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,200
And I believe he always thought
he was going to get out of it.
890
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,080
MAN: He knew that he wasn't going to
get the slap on the wrist this time.
891
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,600
Uh, very damaging documents
in the case came out,
892
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,640
two days before,
he changed his will.
893
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,160
A lot of people think
he might have been killed,
894
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,760
others think he killed himself.
895
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,600
LEVINE: I really think
he decided to take his life.
896
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,960
That was the last bit of control
that he had.
897
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,320
BALTZ: When I heard about that,
898
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,600
I just...I was heartbroken
for these girls.
899
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,480
NEWSREADER: A federal judge
has officially dismissed
900
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,720
the criminal case
against Jeffrey Epstein.
901
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,720
BALTZ: They have never
gotten justice,
902
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,720
and, you know,
they didn't deserve this.
903
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:32,240
PHILLIPS: I was going through my own
feelings in 2019 when he died.
904
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,520
Uh, he was kind of a mentor to me,
905
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,240
but he was also my abuser.
906
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,560
Um, so, it was
a very confusing time for me,
907
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,760
and I wanted to know answers
about my life.
908
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,440
So I reached out at that time
to other survivors
909
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,680
and called Virginia.
910
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,480
I had my first conversation with her.
911
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,640
There's just something
that she had in her
912
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,120
that I looked up to
913
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:59,600
and I really thought was very brave.
914
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,600
BALTZ: We are here
in Loxahatchee Groves,
915
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,600
which is a rural part
of Palm Beach County,
916
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,720
in which Virginia Roberts Giuffre
grew up.
917
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,240
Not terribly affluent.
918
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,560
GIUFFRE: I was recruited
at a very young age
919
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:26,400
from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped
in a world that I didn't understand,
920
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,680
and I've been fighting
that very world to this day.
921
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,200
And I won't stop fighting.
I will never be silenced.
922
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:38,440
BALTZ: And here we have Mar-a-Lago,
President Trump's, uh, private club.
923
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,800
Virginia Giuffre was
a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago,
924
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,960
and Ghislaine Maxwell
used to go there for massages.
925
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,240
Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she
wanted to learn to be a masseuse
926
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,640
and to come to Epstein's house,
927
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,920
and that was where
she suffered the first abuse.
928
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,080
LAWYER: Do you know
Virginia Roberts?
929
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,000
So, she's... Say again, who?
930
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,240
Virginia Roberts.
931
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:09,680
Can you spell it?
932
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,520
Common spelling.
Can you spell it for me, please?
933
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,920
R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
934
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,560
And, just for the record, I can only
spell it the way that it was spelled
935
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,080
in your flight logs
from your airplane.
936
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,000
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
was instrumental
937
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,680
in this story coming forward.
938
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,640
She is the reason,
to a very large extent,
939
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200
that Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell
940
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,800
were even prosecuted,
941
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,320
because of the trail,
of the public record
942
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,760
that she left in her civil lawsuits.
943
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:51,560
BROWN: Virginia Giuffre was not only
key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein,
944
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,240
you know, she named names
of other people,
945
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,800
such as Prince Andrew.
946
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,640
NEWSREADER: Abuse allegations
that have been plaguing the Prince
947
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,480
for years now laid bare
on prime-time TV.
948
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,280
Virginia Roberts Giuffre
alleges Prince Andrew
949
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,400
first sexually abused her
at Ms Maxwell's London home.
950
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,240
GIUFFRE: Ghislaine woke me
up in the morning and said,
951
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:14,720
"You're gonna meet a prince today."
952
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,720
I didn't know at that point
953
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,280
that I was going to be
trafficked to that prince.
954
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,600
And Ghislaine said,
"He's coming back to the house,
955
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,360
"and I want you to do for him
what you do for Epstein."
956
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,160
EMILY MAITLIS: One of Epstein's
accusers, Virginia Roberts...
957
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,640
Yeah.
..has made allegations against you.
958
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,000
It's been six years now...
Yeah.
959
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,880
..since that famous, infamous
interview with Prince Andrew.
960
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,240
Did you ever think that you would
still be talking about it now?
961
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,080
In a way, I wish the whole
conversation had started earlier.
962
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,400
You know, we knew when we did it
that it had to be a document,
963
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,920
a public record,
in case it was ever useful.
964
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,760
He was in the room when I arrived.
965
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,680
He looked ready for it.
966
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,360
He looked like a man
who had waited a long time
967
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,200
to kind of get it off
his chest, frankly.
968
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:22,320
There is no good time
to talk about Mr Epstein.
969
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,160
My sense is that he thought
he was his own best weapon
970
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,720
in terms of killing the story dead.
971
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,240
She says she met you in 2001,
972
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,000
and she went on to have sex with you
973
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,160
in a house in Belgravia
belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.
974
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,720
Didn't happen.
975
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,000
Do you remember her?
976
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,320
No.
977
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,160
He tried to tell me
that it was a fake photo.
978
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,520
We can't be certain as to whether
or not that's my hand on-on-on her,
979
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,720
uh, whatever it is,
left...left side.
980
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,240
He'd worked out his, um, alibi.
981
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:06,440
I'd taken Beatrice to
a PizzaExpress in Woking.
982
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,040
His team had thought
it had gone pretty well.
983
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,560
NEWSREADER: Britain's Prince Andrew
is facing backlash
984
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,160
after a widely criticised
television interview.
985
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:18,240
NEWSREADER 2: One UK paper calling
the Prince entitled and obtuse.
986
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,560
NEWSREADER 3: Four days
after Newsnight broadcast
987
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,080
its interview with Prince Andrew,
he's made this announcement.
988
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,040
"I have asked Her Majesty
if I may step back from
989
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,280
"public duties
for the foreseeable future,
990
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,520
"and she has given her permission."
991
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:35,400
BRYANT: The interview
that he gave the BBC,
992
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,680
that was beyond disingenuous.
993
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,640
He started his slow decline
994
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,560
to ultimately being
stripped of his princehood.
995
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,960
And I think that that was
the beginning of the end.
996
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,920
It's...it's an eye for an eye,
a scar for a scar.
997
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,280
No matter how much
I go through therapy,
998
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,680
I'm embedded with scars
that will never leave me, ever.
999
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,480
KLASFELD: Virginia Giuffre
was also instrumental to
1000
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,040
the downfall of the other person in
that photograph - Ghislaine Maxwell.
1001
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:21,320
In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was
sentenced to 20 years in prison
1002
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,240
for sex trafficking
and other crimes.
1003
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,920
But there was
a growing public outrage
1004
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,760
that she was the only person to face
consequences in the Epstein scandal.
1005
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,120
People were asking,
"What about the men?"
1006
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:40,880
No-one had brought charges,
1007
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,560
and this was across Republican
and Democratic administrations.
1008
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,360
TOBIN: When and how did
concerns about Epstein's crimes
1009
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,400
start spilling over into
the territory of the public
1010
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,440
really wanting to see the files?
1011
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,480
Donald Trump really was the one
who prompted that.
1012
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,280
Then he got to be embroiled
in it himself.
1013
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:13,520
REPORTER: Donald Trump's name
1014
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,240
is all over these files.
1015
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,520
REPORTER 2: Flight logs show
Trump travelled on Epstein's
1016
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,160
private jet many more times
than prosecutors were aware.
1017
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,400
LAWYER: Have you ever had a personal
relationship with Donald Trump?
1018
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,080
What do you mean by
"personal relationship", sir?
1019
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,280
Have you socialised with him?
Yes, sir.
1020
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,040
Yes?
Yes, sir.
1021
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,920
Have you ever socialised
with Donald Trump
1022
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,040
in the presence of females
under the age of 18?
1023
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,120
Though I'd like to answer
that question, at least today,
1024
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:52,480
I'm going to have to assert my
1025
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,440
Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth
Amendment rights, sir.
1026
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,200
KLASFELD: It's indisputable
that Trump had
1027
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,400
a long-term friendship with Epstein.
1028
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,040
He told the world about it.
1029
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,560
Do you still think Jeffrey Epstein
is a terrific guy?
1030
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,040
Well, I knew him, like
everybody in Palm Beach knew him.
1031
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,600
I mean, people
in Palm Beach knew him.
1032
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,440
He was a fixture in Palm Beach.
1033
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,480
KLASFELD: There was
the infamous interview
1034
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,040
where he called Epstein a great guy,
1035
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,680
likes women "on the younger side".
1036
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:27,240
Jeffrey Epstein's
50th birthday book in 2003
1037
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,440
has a drawing of
a nude female figure
1038
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:32,840
with Trump's name on it.
1039
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,800
He denies that it's his signature,
1040
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,160
we have multiple handwriting experts
1041
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,120
saying that it is.
1042
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,960
I don't do drawings.
1043
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,600
I'm not a drawing person.
1044
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,720
KLASFELD: The fact
that he had such a long,
1045
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,960
personal friendship with Epstein
1046
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,040
raises questions about
1047
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,960
what he knew about
Epstein's behaviour.
1048
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,120
I had a falling out with him
a long time ago.
1049
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:59,640
I don't think I've spoken to him
for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.
1050
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,280
TOBIN: When do you think it was
that the Epstein files
1051
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,560
actually started becoming
a big problem for President Trump?
1052
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,960
I think it became a problem soon
after he assumed office again.
1053
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,240
We are going to drain the swamp,
1054
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,320
and we're going to do it
once and for all.
1055
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,800
Prior to his re-election,
he had been asked point-blank,
1056
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,080
would you support
releasing the files?
1057
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,520
Would you declassify
the Epstein files?
1058
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,520
Yeah. Yeah, I would.
1059
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,400
USCINSKI: And many of the people
around him, they said yes.
1060
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,480
Seriously, we need to release
the Epstein list.
1061
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,040
That is an important thing.
1062
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,840
How is it that my father
can be convicted of 34 crimes,
1063
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:42,440
but no-one on Epstein's list
has even been brought to light.
1064
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,400
So, this was a campaign promise
1065
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,760
that they had made
to their supporters.
1066
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,680
Ghislaine. Look into her father,
Robert Maxwell.
1067
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,360
All the answers are right there.
Yeah. Because he was a spy.
1068
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,840
Trump built a coalition of followers
1069
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,720
who are very conspiratorial
in their world views
1070
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,360
and were already
Epstein conspiracy theorists.
1071
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,600
You don't know that she's 16,
and she takes you in a room
1072
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,120
and that room is filled
with cameras, that's...
1073
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,960
Blackmail.
Yeah.
1074
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:14,720
So, there were fantasies about
massive sex-trafficking rings,
1075
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,080
views about blackmail rings,
1076
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:18,800
and that Epstein was controlling
1077
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,920
all sorts of rich
and powerful people.
1078
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,200
I believe very strongly
he was a spy, yes.
1079
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,800
And who do you think
he was working for?
1080
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,880
The Israelis.
1081
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,720
USCINSKI: Trump cosied up to QAnon,
and it created a lore around him
1082
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,320
that he was bringing down
these evil, powerful people,
1083
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,280
'cause the establishment
was entirely corrupt
1084
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,480
and he was the outsider
who was going to come in
1085
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:40,960
and drain the swamp.
1086
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,120
So, early in Trump's second term,
1087
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,040
he appoints Pam Bondi
as Attorney-General,
1088
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,880
and she runs with the Epstein
story almost immediately.
1089
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,360
This is something Donald Trump
has talked about.
1090
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,840
The DOJ may be releasing the list
of Jeffrey Epstein's clients?
1091
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,800
KLASFELD: In February of 2025,
1092
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,520
Bondi goes out and says
1093
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:16,000
that she has the Epstein files
and the client list on her desk.
1094
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,280
It's sitting on my desk right now,
to review.
1095
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,680
That's been a directive
by President Trump.
1096
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:25,200
Then there's a 180-degree reversal.
1097
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,880
There's the release of the July memo
1098
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,200
from the FBI
and the Department of Justice.
1099
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,080
And the July memo says
an extraordinary thing.
1100
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,160
It says that there are more than
1101
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,440
a thousand survivors of
Jeffrey Epstein's abuse,
1102
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,120
and then says there's
nothing to investigate,
1103
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,520
there's nothing to release,
1104
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,800
turn the other way.
1105
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,160
There was, quote, "No client list
1106
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,720
"or evidence that he blackmailed
prominent figures,"
1107
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,320
according to a memo
detailing the findings.
1108
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,920
The review also concluded
that Epstein died by suicide
1109
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,200
while in custody at
a Manhattan correctional facility.
1110
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,440
That memo just sent shock waves
throughout the American ether,
1111
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,880
especially with the MAGA base
who was so invested.
1112
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,240
All those videos are saying,
"Yeah, she's seen the videos,
1113
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,240
"it's all coming out."
1114
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,880
And then now it doesn't exist.
I mean, what? What?!
1115
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,440
Joe, wanna check the tweet
that Elon just put out?
1116
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,280
"Time to drop the really big bomb.
1117
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,640
"Donald Trump is
in the Epstein files.
1118
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,800
"That's the real reason
they have not been made public."
1119
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,280
The Jeffrey Epstein case
has caused backlash
1120
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:27,600
within President Trump's base,
1121
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,680
fuelling conspiracy theories
that more details exist
1122
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,520
but are being hidden
from the public.
1123
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,680
MAN: I'm not gonna
play with these anymore.
1124
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,400
MAGA hats are off.
1125
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,320
Burn, baby, burn.
1126
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,360
And this is a great representation
of what's left of MAGA.
1127
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,440
I think the President always felt
like he could control his MAGA base,
1128
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,960
but it's the influencers
1129
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,560
who have also really
kept this story alive
1130
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,760
and have been very critical of him.
1131
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:02,880
We voted for Trump
because we wanted justice,
1132
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,880
and justice involves
actually holding accountable
1133
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,560
the people who committed
that wrongdoing.
1134
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,600
It just continued and continued,
1135
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,800
and the President himself
kept calling it a hoax.
1136
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,080
Well, I haven't been
overly interested in it.
1137
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,080
You know, it's something...
1138
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,200
It's a hoax that's been built up
way beyond proportion.
1139
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,960
I know it's a hoax.
It's started by Democrats.
1140
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,160
When you call something a hoax,
1141
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,640
and yet people know that there's
a tremendous amount of evidence
1142
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:37,960
out there that it's not a hoax,
1143
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,800
it makes them only want to
know more about it.
1144
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,560
NEWSREADER: The President
writing on social media:
1145
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,120
TRUMP: Some stupid Republicans
1146
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,480
and foolish Republicans
fall into the net.
1147
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:58,160
I call it the Epstein hoax.
1148
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,760
Hello? Hi.
Come on in. Hi.
1149
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,080
Marjorie.
Yes, hello.
1150
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,360
Hi, I'm Grace Tobin.
Nice to meet you.
1151
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:11,000
Nice to meet you, too. Grab a seat
under this big ball light.
1152
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,800
Yeah, that's quite a light.
I know, isn't it?
1153
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:13,960
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
1154
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:19,240
Do you think that these supporters
are losing heart and losing trust
1155
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,720
in President Trump now
because of the Epstein files?
1156
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,520
Many of them, yes.
1157
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,080
It was a line in the sand for them.
1158
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,960
They couldn't understand it the
same way I couldn't understand it.
1159
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,760
Why would he cover this up?
1160
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,920
And that was, um...
1161
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,320
That was something that none of us
ever expected from President Trump.
1162
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,880
I'm Rick Frazier, and I presently
live in St Marys, Ohio.
1163
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,440
Mmm. It's good.
1164
01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:54,160
TOBIN: Mm. Strong?
Good coffee.
1165
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:00,560
I'm a front-row Joe, and I'd show
up five, six days ahead of time
1166
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,440
to one of his rallies.
1167
01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:04,200
TRUMP: It's very quick,
but it's brutal.
1168
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,040
I still worked hard to help Trump,
you know, get elected.
1169
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,000
(CROWD CHEERS)
1170
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000
But, to be honest with you,
it pisses me off that -
1171
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,480
if I can use that language -
1172
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:16,960
that on one hand,
1173
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,240
we were promised by the President
that this is gonna happen.
1174
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:22,800
Then, on the other hand,
1175
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,920
he turns around
and it didn't happen.
1176
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:29,960
I can't see why he...
who he's protecting.
1177
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,720
I honestly, in my mind,
don't think he's involved.
1178
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,120
You can be in pictures with anyone,
1179
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,200
but until we got transparency,
how do we know?
1180
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,920
NEWSREADER: There is new pressure
on the Trump Administration
1181
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,120
from Republicans looking into
the Jeffrey Epstein case.
1182
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,640
DAVID PAKMAN: Donald Trump
is aimed at one of his own,
1183
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,520
Republican congressman Thomas Massie.
1184
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,680
TRUMP: This moron Thomas Massie,
1185
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,800
there's something wrong with him.
1186
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,320
When did you first start
becoming concerned
1187
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,080
about what's now known
as the Epstein files?
1188
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,400
So, it started
a couple years ago for me,
1189
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,800
and it really came to the forefront
1190
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,960
when President Trump
and people in his Cabinet
1191
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,760
promised that they were going to
release these files.
1192
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,880
But none of them
followed through on their promise,
1193
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,960
which became suspicious to me.
1194
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,480
My Democrat colleague
Ro Khanna, from California,
1195
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:35,840
cares about the victims,
1196
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,000
and so I reached out to him
and said,
1197
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:43,200
"Ro, um, if I do
a discharge petition,
1198
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:48,960
"do you think you could get
every single Democrat to sign it?"
1199
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,560
And he did deliver on that promise.
1200
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,680
NEWSREADER: Democrat Ro Khanna
and Republican Thomas Massie
1201
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,720
are leading a bipartisan push
in the House
1202
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,400
for the release of
the Epstein files.
1203
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,080
People feel that
the rich and the powerful
1204
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,400
have been not held accountable,
1205
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,480
that they have
a different set of rules,
1206
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,880
and that there may be
government officials involved.
1207
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,440
NEWSREADER: Thomas Massie
just filed a discharge petition
1208
01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,320
to force this vote
on releasing the files.
1209
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,040
That's something that
Speaker Mike Johnson
1210
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,040
has really been trying to avoid.
1211
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,280
REPORTER: The White House
has warned Republicans
1212
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:22,960
not to side with Massie.
1213
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,720
Even a White House official
telling reporters last night
1214
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:28,320
that this would be viewed
as an act of hostility.
1215
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,600
Well, I have a 98% voting record
with the President,
1216
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,560
was one of his most loyal defenders.
1217
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:44,240
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
please come up. Come.
1218
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,560
CROWD: (CHANTS) MTG! MTG!
1219
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,040
Thank you, Mr President.
1220
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:52,240
Alright, Georgia, we know
what we're going to do in 2024.
1221
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:56,440
He was angry at me
for siding with Thomas Massie
1222
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:58,480
and signing on
the discharge petition.
1223
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:01,040
To me, it was a matter of
right and wrong
1224
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,840
and standing up for these women.
1225
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,840
The greatest president
in United States history,
1226
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,320
Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia?
1227
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,600
(CROWD ROARS)
1228
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,920
CARLSON: Marjorie Taylor Greene,
1229
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,040
she's the female version
of Donald Trump.
1230
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,040
She was full-blood MAGA.
1231
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,960
So, for her to be one of the people
to stand up against him
1232
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:25,040
is very significant
in American politics.
1233
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,040
He was losing control of
the situation.
1234
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,040
TOBIN: When you sign
that discharge petition,
1235
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,640
afterwards you took a phone call
with President Trump.
1236
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,360
He said that it was going to
hurt people that he knew.
1237
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:41,840
What people?
1238
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,960
I don't know. I still don't know
that to this day.
1239
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,320
But the way he treated me
and the names that he called me,
1240
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,440
sent death threats upon me
and then my children.
1241
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,240
(CROWD CHATTERS AND CHEERS)
1242
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:00,400
TAYLOR GREENE: This is my
fifth year in Congress
1243
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,640
and this is the largest
press conference
1244
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,160
that I've seen since I've been here.
1245
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,600
KLASFELD: As people like
Marjorie Taylor Greene
1246
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,480
started getting involved,
the snowball started rolling.
1247
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:13,880
TAYLOR GREENE:
This is not about politics,
1248
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,520
this is a boiling point
in American history.
1249
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,080
KLASFELD: We see some
very effective advocacy
1250
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,560
on behalf of the victims themselves.
1251
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,240
Why did he get away with it in 2008?
1252
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,160
Why was Jeffrey Epstein
so protected?
1253
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,440
Why was Maxwell the only one
held accountable
1254
01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:32,120
when so many others played a role?
1255
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:33,760
Let the public know the truth.
1256
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,360
WOMAN: I speak today not only
in service of my own recovery,
1257
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:42,320
but to honour the lives,
the courage and sacrifices
1258
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,920
of Virginia Giuffre
1259
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,720
and others who could not continue.
1260
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,560
NEWSREADER: Victims of the convicted
sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
1261
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,800
have paid tribute
to Virginia Giuffre
1262
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,280
at a rally in Washington, DC.
1263
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,000
She took her own life
in April this year.
1264
01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:03,880
BALTZ: It made me very sad
when she passed.
1265
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,880
This sort of damage, you can
stuff it down for years and years,
1266
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:11,560
but the effects
will always catch up.
1267
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,600
Virginia said it best, and I quote,
1268
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,680
"They say time can heal,
but this won't.
1269
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,760
"Not until the justice system
makes an example out of these people
1270
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:22,600
"with so-called privileges.
1271
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,880
"I just call it money."
1272
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,040
People believe her now.
1273
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,400
I mean, she won...
1274
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,040
..in a sad way.
1275
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,760
KHANNA: So we gather here
on the steps of the Capitol
1276
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,080
to confront these corrupt forces.
1277
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:49,800
We know we have 212 Democrats
and we have four Republicans,
1278
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:51,640
courageous Republicans.
1279
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:55,400
The only supporters that I got
from my discharge petition
1280
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,400
on the Republican side of
the aisle were all women.
1281
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,000
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
1282
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:01,880
Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.
1283
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:07,280
They were woken up at 5am in the
morning with the President saying,
1284
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,200
"F this, F that.
1285
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,720
"Get your effing name
off of this thing."
1286
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,040
But, to their credit, all three
of those women stayed strong.
1287
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,040
KLASFELD: There was a time
when few believed
1288
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:24,560
that they would actually be able
to get the passage of these files.
1289
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:28,880
And it was only after
it became very clear
1290
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,400
that Trump was going
to lose on this vote,
1291
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,360
then finally
he claimed to support it.
1292
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,960
We've done a great job,
and I hate to see that,
1293
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,360
uh, deflect from
the great job we've done.
1294
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,760
So I'm all for it.
1295
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,600
What eventually happened
was a nearly unanimous vote.
1296
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:55,160
The yeas are 427, the nays are one.
1297
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:56,960
The bill is passed,
1298
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:01,000
and without objection, the motion
to reconsider is laid on the table.
1299
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,400
(CHEERING, APPLAUSE)
1300
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:09,840
Mr Speaker, today is an
extraordinary day in this chamber.
1301
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,280
This is about the powerless
1302
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:18,920
taking power away
from the very powerful.
1303
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,640
When Trump backflipped on it,
1304
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,720
the survivors won.
1305
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,960
The Senate has passed the bill
under unanimous consent!
1306
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,600
(ALL CHEER)
1307
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,440
REPORTER: The bill forces
the Justice Department
1308
01:17:34,440 --> 01:17:37,800
to release Epstein file
documents within 30 days.
1309
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,320
(ALL CHEER)
1310
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,280
Once the Epstein Files
Transparency Act became law,
1311
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,640
there was a deadline -
December 19th -
1312
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,640
for the release of everything.
1313
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,360
REPORTER: Deputy Attorney-General
Todd Blanche says, however,
1314
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,440
several hundred thousand pages
of records will be made public,
1315
01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:14,800
with more to come
in the coming weeks.
1316
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:15,920
Hundreds of thousands...
1317
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,560
FRAZIER: I could sit at home
1318
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,600
and just stay on the couch
and not be involved,
1319
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,200
but being here is historic.
1320
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,240
We got a few hours till we find out.
1321
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,880
REPORTER: But we're talking about
a tonnage of information
1322
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:31,840
that may take some time
just to process.
1323
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,520
The Justice Department has now begun
1324
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,280
the release of the Epstein files.
1325
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:45,080
The first release was a blip
on the radar, not even that.
1326
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,480
There was a picture of Bill Clinton.
1327
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:50,000
There was very little
about Donald Trump.
1328
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,240
It was widely regarded
to have few major revelations.
1329
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,280
NEWSREADER: At least 550 pages
were fully redacted.
1330
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:01,320
NEWSREADER 2: We have
just a fraction right now
1331
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,000
of what is believed to exist.
1332
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:04,120
PHILLIPS: It failed, in our book.
1333
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,480
We haven't received
full transparency,
1334
01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:07,440
and it's an incomplete
release of the files.
1335
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,040
FRAZIER: That must be his...
his prison cell.
1336
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,360
I'm pretty disappointed
since we were told transparency,
1337
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,440
and we're not really seeing it.
1338
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:21,920
And if that's the best
they're gonna do,
1339
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,960
I don't think we're ever
gonna get to the truth.
1340
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,240
This was a slap in the face
of survivors.
1341
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,640
They're flouting the spirit
and the letter of the law.
1342
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:37,320
KLASFELD: People kept trying to push
for the release of the files,
1343
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,760
and six weeks later,
all of a sudden,
1344
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,560
3.5 million documents
hit the public.
1345
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,920
NEWSREADER: 3 million
pages of documents,
1346
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,560
180,000 images and 2,000 videos.
1347
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:53,720
The latest release
of files related to
1348
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,160
the paedophile
Jeffrey Epstein is shocking
1349
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:58,560
in its size and its content.
1350
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,560
NEWSREADER 2: Of the 180,000
images released,
1351
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,720
these pictures of the King's brother
1352
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,840
seem to be what everyone
is talking about.
1353
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,960
NEWSREADER 3: Police are assessing
claims Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
1354
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,400
shared confidential reports
with Jeffrey Epstein.
1355
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:18,320
KLASFELD: All of a sudden, there are
global investigations in Europe.
1356
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,440
NEWSREADER: Active investigations
are now under way
1357
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,480
in at least 10 countries.
1358
01:20:23,480 --> 01:20:26,480
Poland has launched a probe
into the Epstein files
1359
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:30,120
in a search of any potential victims
from that country.
1360
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,280
NEWSREADER: In Europe, the former
prime minister of Norway
1361
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,800
has been charged
with gross corruption.
1362
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,040
NEWSREADER 2: Poland's prime minister
also says his country
1363
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,840
would investigate
possible links between
1364
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,280
the convicted sex offender
1365
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,360
and Russian intelligence services.
1366
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,200
KLASFELD: The people who maintained
a friendship with Epstein,
1367
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,200
communications that
they thought were private
1368
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,200
are now filling the pages
of newspapers internationally.
1369
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,640
JESSE WEBER: My gosh,
was this embarrassing?
1370
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,240
Can we start with Peter Attia?
1371
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,880
CHRIS KENNY: Good Lord,
another very prominent person
1372
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,200
caught up in all this
is Bill Gates, of course.
1373
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,040
Claims that he picked up
1374
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,240
a sexually transmitted disease
from a Russian woman.
1375
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,400
He's denied that publicly.
1376
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,840
WEBER: We have this footage
where Steve Bannon
1377
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:27,320
is interviewing Epstein to try
to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
1378
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,320
At the same time,
people are making sense
1379
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:31,120
of the 3.5 million files,
1380
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,800
there's Congress, who is
continuing to investigate this
1381
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:37,960
and continuing to call witnesses,
1382
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,920
including the Attorney-General.
1383
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,760
NEWSREADER: Alright,
getting back to our breaking news,
1384
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,920
Attorney-General Pam Bondi
is set to testify
1385
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,800
before the House Judiciary
Committee at any moment now.
1386
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:54,160
NEWSREADER 2: Survivors say
their identities were exposed
1387
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,000
because of inadequate redaction.
1388
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,920
PHILLIPS: Well, right now,
we're heading over to the Capitol.
1389
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:04,360
I have a meeting with
Congressman Lou Correa.
1390
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,680
After that, we'll be heading over
to Pam Bondi's hearing.
1391
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,320
We have Congress
working on our side,
1392
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,000
and, you know, they want answers
just as much as we do.
1393
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,960
Hi. Nice to meet you.
Hi.
1394
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,120
Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you.
Pleasure meeting you.
1395
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,400
Come on in.
We have a camera guy following us.
1396
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,800
Oh, my, I should have put my tie on.
1397
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,240
I wanna take a moment to acknowledge
1398
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,240
the Epstein survivors
who are here today.
1399
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,720
I am deeply sorry
for what any victim,
1400
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:51,440
any victim has been through.
1401
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:57,440
Attorney-General Bondi, will you
turn to them now and apologise
1402
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:02,280
for what your Department of Justice
has put them through
1403
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,520
with the absolutely
unacceptable release of
1404
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,440
the Epstein files
and their information.
1405
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:21,240
PHILLIPS: I was pretty shocked that
she just didn't even turn her head,
1406
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,440
just not even just a little bit
just to acknowledge.
1407
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:26,240
It doesn't even have to be
an apology,
1408
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,360
but to acknowledge that we were there
1409
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:30,920
and that we represent
1,200 survivors.
1410
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,680
To my right is an email
1411
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,480
that was sent by
the victims' lawyers to the DOJ.
1412
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:41,080
It was a list of names
not to release.
1413
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,680
They released this email!
1414
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:48,120
Literally the worst thing you could
do to the survivors, you did.
1415
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,120
And we know you touched
the document
1416
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:51,880
because you redacted
the lawyer's name,
1417
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,160
but you left
the survivor's name there.
1418
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,360
MAN: So, I really have
just one question for you.
1419
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:00,560
How many of Epstein's
co-conspirators have you indicted?
1420
01:24:00,560 --> 01:24:04,680
How many perpetrators
are you even investigating?
1421
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,160
First, you showed a...
1422
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:09,240
I find it...
How many have you indicted?
1423
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,640
Excuse me,
I'm gonna answer the question.
1424
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:12,640
Answer my question.
1425
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:13,960
No, I'm gonna answer the question
1426
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,640
the way I want to answer
the question.
1427
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,880
No, you can answer the question...
Your theatrics are ridiculous.
1428
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,160
..the way I asked it.
1429
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,880
PHILLIPS: I really got to see,
like, in the flesh, in person,
1430
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,320
like, wow...
1431
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,680
..they really are turning a blind eye
to this for whatever reason.
1432
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,920
And it only makes you think that
there's got to be a real reason why,
1433
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,080
right?
1434
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,840
WOMAN: Madam Attorney-General, will
you meet with survivors after this?
1435
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,120
MAN: You're a disgrace to
the legal profession and to women.
1436
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,400
What a shame you are!
Shameful person!
1437
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,920
TOBIN: Are you looking at
the reaction
1438
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,600
in Europe and the UK
and other parts of the world
1439
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:00,360
and scratching your head
with what's going on here?
1440
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,520
Yes. And I see
a different attitude overseas.
1441
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,440
The untouchables are touchable now.
1442
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,560
Breaking news about
Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
1443
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,240
The BBC understands that he
has been arrested on suspicion
1444
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,400
of misconduct in public office.
1445
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,720
NEWSREADER: It comes weeks
after the Justice Department
1446
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:21,840
released emails
Andrew allegedly sent to
1447
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:25,360
the late sex offender
Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010.
1448
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:29,680
I think for several years
1449
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:32,720
we'd always imagined
that it could come to this place
1450
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,920
and he was arrested,
1451
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,840
and I still found myself
absolutely speechless
1452
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,680
for the first couple of hours.
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01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,600
NEWSREADER: Andrew was serving
as a UK trade envoy at the time,
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01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,320
and appears to have forwarded Epstein
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01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,880
British government documents
on trade policy.
1456
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,280
But this wasn't the story
that we were following at all,
1457
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:49,800
this was something
completely different.
1458
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,320
REPORTER: Now Peter Mandelson,
who was the UK ambassador to the US,
1459
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,120
has also now been arrested.
1460
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,760
And, you know, it's fascinating
to see how far this chain will go.
1461
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,320
We are probably
only at the very beginning.
1462
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,400
Over two dozen people
have resigned -
1463
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,560
CEOs, members of
government worldwide -
1464
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,600
but I haven't seen
any arrests or investigations
1465
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:15,280
here in the United States
from this Department of Justice.
1466
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:20,320
As an American journalist looking
at everything happening in Europe,
1467
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,360
this is how
sophisticated democracies react
1468
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:25,760
to alarming information -
1469
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,000
they investigate.
1470
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,680
I have nothing to hide.
I've been exonerated.
1471
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,280
I have nothing to do with
Jeffrey Epstein.
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01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,240
KLASFELD: What we're seeing
in the United States is
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01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:37,840
Trump's Justice Department
trying to say
1474
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,040
that there is nothing to see here.
1475
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,160
WEBER: Is there evidence
that Jeffrey Epstein
1476
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,400
was trafficking girls
to other powerful men?
1477
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,720
According to the Associated Press's
review of the files,
1478
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,160
the FBI says no.
1479
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,360
In regards to the sex trafficking
and the abuse,
1480
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,760
do you personally know of evidence
1481
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,480
that exists within
the Department of Justice,
1482
01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:05,160
within the FBI,
that has not come out yet?
1483
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,680
I do. I do.
1484
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:14,560
BALTZ: You know,
when you have different girls
1485
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,560
telling the same stories,
corroborating each other...
1486
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,320
..that's powerful, really powerful.
1487
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:23,680
So, and again,
1488
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:28,840
I think we have to believe victims
and survivors of this sort of thing.
1489
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,760
I know of people
that girls were traded out to
1490
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,720
that have not come out.
1491
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:42,560
I tend to believe that
1492
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,080
this story
is going to outlive me
1493
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:48,400
because it's filled with
so many mysteries,
1494
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:49,840
things people don't know.
1495
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,720
We don't know the depth
of the cover-up yet,
1496
01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:01,680
but I think this will eventually
rank up there with, uh, Watergate.
1497
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,920
CARLSON: Hopefully
the American public's
1498
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,200
going to continue
to care about this story
1499
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,960
and continue to demand
that we get all of the answers.
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01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,920
We're done
laying down and being quiet.
1501
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,680
Now we're screaming in public.
1502
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,600
BANNON: It's a serious question.
Oh, sorry.
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01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,840
Do you think
you're the devil himself?
1504
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:25,640
I don't know.
Why would you say that?
1505
01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:28,160
Because you have all the attributes.
You're incredibly smart.
1506
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:29,920
You remember, the devil...
Is the devil smart?
1507
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,600
The devil's brilliant.
1508
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,640
SPENCER: Jeffrey Epstein
was the true epitome of evil.
1509
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:40,800
Very polished, wealthy,
well-spoken, very intelligent man.
1510
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,040
And he used all of that for evil.
1511
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,040
MAITLIS: We do not
do this story justice
1512
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,240
if we think
it starts and ends with Epstein.
1513
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,480
Of course it doesn't.
1514
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:55,520
There is so much further to go.
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Captions by Red Bee Media
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