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[crowd cheers]
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- You are looking live
at the Lincoln Financial Field
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in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
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- Of course, ECW gained
prominence only a few miles
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from this very stadium.
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- What's really cool is that
they are really celebrating
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the Philadelphia experience.
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As you see right here,
ECW,
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everyone knows that was started
right here
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in Philadelphia.
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- It's Philly.
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You took us in.
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They made us their own.
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They gave us a home.
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They gave us a town
to burn down.
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[fireworks]
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So here we are in 2024.
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It's WrestleMania XL,
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and we're in of all places,
Philadelphia.
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The birthplace of ECW.
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And all the merchandise is
"Wrestle F'N Mania."
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What an interesting
"F'N" concept.
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This revolution did take place
and we did change the industry.
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- Shattered the table.
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- It just took a while for
it all to settle in.
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- Through the table.
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- And this WrestleMania is truly
the validation
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of everything we all worked
so very hard for-
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[crowd chants "ECW"]
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- The story of Extreme
Championship Wrestling is that
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it was so real, real to a degree
that this industry
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has never seen before.
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- EC [bleep] W.
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- ECW was a place to put the
misfits.
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And in the '90s, we needed that.
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- It was us against the entire
wrestling business.
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- Those are hard guys.
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Authentic, hard individuals.
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And that's the bottom line.
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- There were branding irons,
barbed wire,
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someone set on fire.
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- This is ECW,
this is hardcore.
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- Unless you've been
to an ECW show,
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you have not seen it all.
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- We were born to crash and burn
as a company.
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But ECW changed the wrestling
business forever.
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- This is the ECW.
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I love your shoes, babe,
gotta go, okay.
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Hey, I was out here before,
and before-before we started
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production today, and they said,
"Paul E., what is your
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definition of professional
wrestling?
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Is it the technique, the NCAA,
the Olympic-style wrestlers?"
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I said, "No, that's not it."
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I said, "Excitement."
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That's my game, excitement.
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Paul E. Dangerously stands for
excitement.
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- In the mid-80s, Paul Heyman
was known as Paul E. Dangerously
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and was making a
name for himself as an
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incredible wrestling manager.
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- The greatest professional
wrestling manager
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in the world today.
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- Just this brash,
smarter-than-you guy that would
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walk to the ring in a suit that
was too loud with a mullet and
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that giant brick cell phone.
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- With the million-dollar suits,
with a telephone,
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and I got a whole lot of
surprises in store for you.
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- Paul and I had bonded
tremendously in WCW,
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as he was my manager.
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- Steve, you're the man.
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- Paul E. was one of the
people in my life
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who was paramount as far as my
success in this business.
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- Fans like us saw Paul Heyman
as this amazing manager, but he
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also had this kind of rebellious
wrestling brain that was
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constantly trying to take the
product that we saw
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in a different direction.
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- I don't like what wrestling is
all about anymore.
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I don't like the shape that
wrestling is in.
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At the time,
both WWE and WCW
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were really behind
the times.
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Everybody was a wrestling
character stuck in the Hulk
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Hogan era, and that era
was ending.
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- Doink and Dink.
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[laughs]
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Whoa.
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Look out, a kick of the shins.
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- Unbelievable.
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- Dink's having a laugh.
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- Paul had been around
and-and-and had worked in
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different promotions around the
country, so he had a little bit
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of this and a little bit of
that.
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And Paul wasn't afraid to look
outside the box.
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- You can't change the system
from the outside bitching.
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You can only change the system
from the inside, implementing a
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new vision, so I started
building my reputation
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behind the scenes.
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- And it wasn't long before
people started to take notice
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of Paul Heyman's creativity.
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- I started running the creative
in the mid-1990s for a small
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promotion that got a TV
clearance called Eastern
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Championship Wrestling, ECW.
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- And it was just a natural fit
at that particular time.
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It was all Paul.
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He was really running to take
the ball and ran
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with it completely.
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- Tod was the owner.
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Paul Heyman was the creative
mind behind ECW.
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- I was so ready to do something
new and different
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and innovative.
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Almost 20 years after the movie
Network
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and Peter Finch was right.
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I'm mad as hell and I'm not
gonna take it anymore.
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Professional wrestling needed to
be taken to the extreme.
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This ain't no freaking circus.
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This is ECW.
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[crowd cheers]
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- The timing of ECW really
coincided with this cultural
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awakening that we saw
in the early 90s.
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We had the birth of grunge and a
lot more attitude, and people
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just kinda seemed to come
out of their shell
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collectively as a culture.
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- This is extreme.
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- Extreme was one of those words
that was-was being-
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Everything was extreme.
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The X sports had just started
getting, uh, a lot of exposure.
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It was being thrown around a lot
in-in the advertising world,
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and everybody was calling
everything they wanted
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to get noticed extreme.
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- We pull the trigger.
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We go from Eastern to Extreme.
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- Hello, everyone, and welcome
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to Extreme Championship
Wrestling.
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This is Joey Styles in the
eagle's nest,
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high above the ECW arena.
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And you are watching the
wrestling promotion that's
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changing the face of the
sport today.
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This is as extreme as it gets.
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- ECW were the renegades.
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They were the misfits.
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- ECW.
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- They were the group of
wrestlers that
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just did everything
their own way.
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- Well, ECW understood with Paul
Heyman at the helm that you
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could not out WWE WWE, and you
could not out WCW WCW,
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so they did not even try.
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- These two have used everything
in an attempt to destroy one
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another, including, yes,
the kitchen sink.
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- Instead of having pyro and the
glitz and the glamor,
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we had Fight Club.
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It's a guilty pleasure.
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I'm not really supposed to watch
this, but I'm gonna.
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- Professional wrestling was
more aimed at children
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in the early 90s.
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With ECW, that's one thing that
really made it different.
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- Hey, I'm Jenna Jameson and,
you know, I've seen some really,
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really extreme things in my
lifetime, but nothing, nothing,
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nothing compares to ECW.
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- They were for sure aiming at
adults.
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- This is hardcore.
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You wanna be a clown?
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Take 95 back to Connecticut.
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Up and down goes Doink the
Clown.
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- To the extreme, baby,
right here.
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- There was nobody that the 18
to 34 male demographic could
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look at and say, "Oh, yeah, you
know what, that's the new thing
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that's out there.
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Yeah, that's hip.
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That's contemporary.
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That's hot.
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That's today.
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That's even progressive.
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That's tomorrow."
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- ECW was such a small upstart
that there was no national
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television coverage.
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When I finally found it, it was
on MSG Network at one o'clock in
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the morning, and you had to hope
that you didn't fall asleep
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before the show came on.
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- When ECW was coming up,
it was still in the era where
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the internet wasn't as
prevalent.
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And there was tape trading going
on, a lot of it had to be really
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grassroots and word of mouth.
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- This is a movement.
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Like you felt like, "Hey, I'm a
part of something from the
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ground up."
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It was everything that WCW and
WWE wasn't at that time.
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- EC [bleep] W.
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[crowd cheers]
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- They just sat about putting
out a completely alternative
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product than most anyone
had ever seen.
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- It's gonna be a hot time in
ECW.
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[crowd cheers]
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- He's branding Cactus with a
flaming branding iron.
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- There were, uh, branding
irons, barbed wire.
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There were lots of cool ways
to cause physical harm.
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- I think that was a VCR.
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- I'd probably been in ECW a
couple of months at that point,
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and I'm sitting there going,
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"What the hell am I doing for
a living?
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I mean, this is nuts."
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[crowd cheers]
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- But the crowd was just so
engrossed by it.
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- This had become a society
enthralled with violence.
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The whole mindset of ECW was to
be a cult, the cult of extreme.
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The tribe of hardcore.
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We as one would revolutionize
professional wrestling.
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- What in God's name are they
doing?
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They've got Balls Mahoney up.
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Powerbomb through the thumbtacks
and the fire.
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The matchup is over.
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Thank God.
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- WCW was doing their thing,
we were doing ours,
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and then you've
got this rogue outfit,
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ECW, that's on the
periphery there
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kinda doing their own thing.
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- Joey looks flustered and he
sweats a little bit.
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- Let's do it.
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- You're talking about big
blockbuster movies versus a
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low-budget student film.
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- These guys were literally
working out
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of the post production editor's
parent's house.
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- We didn't have production, we
had Paul and two cameramen.
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Paul didn't have an office.
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Backstage was a table in the
middle of the locker room.
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I handled advertising for ECW.
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I booked the buildings for ECW.
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I handled everything that went
on in that company that didn't
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deal with the actual show.
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- I used to say
that ECW survived
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on balls, [bleep]
and bravado.
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We didn't have the lighting,
we didn't have the pyro.
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Our bragging rights came from
the fact that no one could do
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what we were doing.
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- Oh, no.
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Oh, my God.
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- If I'm gonna go somewhere and
try to make it, this might be
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the place I can start and try to
make a name for myself here and
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then possibly pursue somewhere
else down the line.
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- Paul Heyman likes to take
chances on diamonds in the rough
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and doesn't look at your outside
as a limitation.
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- Dude, you have no idea how
many times I've been arrested in
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a barroom brawl from the ages
of, let's say, like,
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18 to, like, 22.
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Paul E. goes, "Just go be you."
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- The Sandman is not a good
wrestler.
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He will sit here and tell you he
is not a good wrestler.
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I don't know who trained him.
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I don't know if anyone
trained him.
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Sandman is a legit barroom
brawler.
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- Not someone you would think
would be a typical role model,
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but there at ECW, the fans loved
him because
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he represented one of them.
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- ECW politically incorrect and
damn proud of it.
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- You want wholesome family
entertainment?
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You're watching the wrong
promotion.
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- The Sandman, pre-Stone Cold,
was smashing beers
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on his forehead.
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- I said, "What, are you crazy?
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You can't send a guy drinking
and smoking into the ring."
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Well, apparently you can.
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- The Sandman was me.
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I want to play a game of pool.
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When I lose, I want to hit you
over the head with a cane, take
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the money, get in my car,
and roll.
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- We all loved ECW so much
because we all got to be us.
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- You're Steve Austin.
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- You know, that's where you're
wrong, Mean Joey.
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Because Steve Austin doesn't
have what it takes to get it
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done in the ECW, brother.
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I was out of a job, and the
phone rings, it's Paul E.
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Paul calls me, and he goes,
"Kid," he goes, "I want you to
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come over and start working for
me, cutting promos."
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And I said, "Man, what do you
want me to talk about?"
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And he goes, "Just talk about
how you feel."
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You people get up every morning,
you throw a ham and cheese
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sandwich in a metal lunch box,
you punch a time clock, you let
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some [bleep] yell at you for
nine hours, then you punch out
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and go back home to some hag.
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I'll never do that, man.
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That was the genesis of what
Stone Cold would-
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would come from.
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- ECW was a beautiful place to
grow because you were given
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such freedom.
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Without those moments, I don't
think we see "Stone Cold" Steve
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Austin explode on the scene.
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- And that's the bottom line.
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That God dang ECW arena which
was a complete [bleep],
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and I'm happy to be there, but
to classify it other than what
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it was, a [bleep], would be
inaccurate.
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This place is a bigger
[bleep]
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than Middletown, New York, was.
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- It was a bingo hall, but it
was also the Vikings clubhouse.
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The Vikings were a string band.
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I walked in there the first
time, and I said,
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"Oh, my God. What?
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Look at this place.
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It's- You can't do a show
here."
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- It was a ring, guardrails
and fans.
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- You got it, baby.
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- Nothing fancy, no big
titantron.
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Nothing.
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It was just, "This is what you
need to focus on, what happens
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in the ring."
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- I love the grunginess of it.
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I love that it wasn't pristine,
that it wasn't polished, that
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anything could happen, anything
was possible.
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- Because it was rooted in
Philly, people from New York
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were coming down,
people from D.C.
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They kind of were in a nice spot
where it was a go-to place.
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- They wanna see the referee
chokeslammed.
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Only in Philadelphia.
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- You wanted that badge of honor
to say that you had seen these
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stars live, and you wanted to
say that you could see them at
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the ECW arena, the bingo hall.
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- Oh, my God.
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- ECW Superstars were known for
doing the most insane things
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you'd ever seen in a Sports
Entertainment program,
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but ultimately, the same risks
that they took that made them
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stand out in the first place
would be what held them back.
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- The early 90's,
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I think things
needed to change.
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And right here in Philadelphia
was the perfect place.
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- Where it all started, baby.
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I love being right here,
right in this spot.
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Wow, the memories.
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[crowd cheers]
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You can almost hear the crowd.
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[crowd chants "ECW"]
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- I knew they were doing a lot
of different things,
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and they were really cutting
edge with-with the things
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that they were doing
and their fan base.
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If there was ever a definition
of fanatical, their fans,
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they were- they were
all of that.
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They were part of the show.
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[crowd chants "ECW"]
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- The fans would sometimes
hold a chair up.
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I remember fans holding a chair,
and 2 Cold Scorpio
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smashing my head
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[chuckles]
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into the chair while the fan
was holding it.
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- Yeah, baby.
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[laughs]
341
00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:41,060
- The audience is as much part
of the show as the show itself.
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We're the cool ones.
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We're extreme.
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- This is ECW at its best.
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The stands emptying.
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- Public Enemy, they were
dancing and they were
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celebrating and they were
inviting the crowd to join them
348
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in this celebration.
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These aren't WWE rings.
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These are rings that some guy
set up right before the show.
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- Oh, my God.
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They broke the ring.
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00:18:15,027 --> 00:18:21,167
- ECW just had this aura of fan
inclusion, where fans were just
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as much a part of the show as
the superstars were.
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- He's got Spike up.
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00:18:28,874 --> 00:18:30,042
Oh, my God.
357
00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:32,845
- Oh, God bless the throw.
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We're at the arena, people are
right on top of you, and he
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chucked me, and I landed in the
third or fourth row, and they
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00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:41,554
caught me, and they surfed me
around.
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00:18:42,121 --> 00:18:45,191
- We've got body surfing at the
ECW arena.
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- When you see the audience care
about somebody, when you're
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watching at home you're going to
care more about them too.
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ECW was the best at that.
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00:18:52,632 --> 00:18:54,834
Like, the crowd was a star of
its own.
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- Terry Funk versus Cactus Jack
for the first time in history.
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This one ought to be a classic.
368
00:19:01,807 --> 00:19:05,811
- Terry and I had a match, and
it was fairly short, ended with,
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uh, a disqualification when the
Public Enemy came running in,
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00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:12,659
and I said to the audience, give
me a chair.
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00:19:13,986 --> 00:19:16,355
First there was one and
there was two.
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00:19:16,822 --> 00:19:17,990
- Oh, my God.
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- I'm not exaggerating when I
say it was raining chairs.
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00:19:22,396 --> 00:19:27,432
- I turned around and catch one
over there, and all of a sudden,
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00:19:27,433 --> 00:19:30,336
wham, one of them hit me right
right in the back
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00:19:30,636 --> 00:19:32,638
and knocked me out.
377
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,856
Oh, just some crazy stuff in
ECW.
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00:19:51,157 --> 00:19:54,326
That was a- it was a good time.
379
00:19:55,428 --> 00:19:58,664
- It's one of the most iconic
moments in ECW history,
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and it's one of the most
dangerous things I've ever seen.
381
00:20:02,034 --> 00:20:05,304
We encouraged audience
participation, and we may have
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00:20:05,404 --> 00:20:07,006
encouraged it a little too much.
383
00:20:09,875 --> 00:20:12,278
- Everybody in ECW played hurt.
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00:20:12,344 --> 00:20:16,916
There was no such thing
as time off.
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00:20:16,982 --> 00:20:22,888
We were warriors to a degree
that most wrestlers could never
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say they were.
387
00:20:26,659 --> 00:20:30,429
- They were custom-made for
Extreme Championship Wrestling.
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00:20:30,430 --> 00:20:33,064
It's hard to imagine them
wrestling anywhere else.
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00:20:33,065 --> 00:20:35,033
- We had a passion to be ECW
Superstars.
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00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:36,768
We were gonna change
the whole world.
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So what do we care
if we broke a finger?
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00:20:38,671 --> 00:20:40,205
What do we care if our
necks hurt?
393
00:20:40,206 --> 00:20:41,272
If our backs hurt?
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00:20:41,273 --> 00:20:42,474
It didn't matter because
you know what?
395
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We were making a difference.
396
00:20:43,944 --> 00:20:45,343
- No way.
397
00:20:45,344 --> 00:20:47,394
That balcony is way too
high up in the air.
398
00:20:49,115 --> 00:20:50,316
Oh, my God.
399
00:20:51,984 --> 00:20:55,621
- Everybody that wasn't a part
of ECW hated ECW.
400
00:20:55,721 --> 00:20:58,357
They all had something to say
about ECW.
401
00:20:59,692 --> 00:21:02,595
- ECW, extremely crappy
wrestling for those of you
402
00:21:02,661 --> 00:21:03,711
who don't know.
403
00:21:04,864 --> 00:21:08,834
The guys who were fans of that
ECW hybrid, [bleep] garbage
404
00:21:08,901 --> 00:21:11,370
wrestling, they cheered
everybody.
405
00:21:11,437 --> 00:21:13,787
They just wanted the car wreck
and the carnage.
406
00:21:13,788 --> 00:21:17,041
- I think there was a bit of
arrogance, I think, on people's
407
00:21:17,042 --> 00:21:20,746
view of-of ECW, but in that
arrogance, there's probably a
408
00:21:20,747 --> 00:21:23,114
certain amount of jealousy
because they are getting to do
409
00:21:23,115 --> 00:21:24,984
things that we didn't get to do.
410
00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:29,321
- Now, we're setting an
impossible physical standard
411
00:21:29,388 --> 00:21:32,358
that the human body can't
keep up to.
412
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,193
All that stuff that they were
doing was ridiculous and was
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gonna lead to the downfall of
the business, and basically,
414
00:21:37,396 --> 00:21:39,026
we hated the whole bunch
of them.
415
00:21:40,232 --> 00:21:43,269
- It's very popular to paint
this picture.
416
00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:47,239
That's fine, and I accept that
criticism, but I-I could feel
417
00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:50,909
the culture shift that was going
on, and I wanted to bring
418
00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:52,011
that to television.
419
00:21:54,046 --> 00:21:59,384
- At a point, it kind of became
clear that that extreme attitude
420
00:21:59,385 --> 00:22:03,489
that brought them so much praise
would also be what brought them
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00:22:03,556 --> 00:22:06,826
criticism, and that created some
issues for the company.
422
00:22:06,827 --> 00:22:10,228
- We ran into some really rough
spells in ECW.
423
00:22:10,229 --> 00:22:11,830
Of course, we did.
424
00:22:11,897 --> 00:22:15,968
In 1995, we were desperate to
get on pay-per-view
425
00:22:16,035 --> 00:22:17,085
and couldn't get in.
426
00:22:18,304 --> 00:22:21,840
There was a huge backlash
against the UFC, and we got
427
00:22:21,907 --> 00:22:24,043
lumped in with extreme fighting.
428
00:22:24,044 --> 00:22:27,045
There was no way to convince
anybody to let us on
429
00:22:27,046 --> 00:22:28,096
pay-per-view.
430
00:22:29,381 --> 00:22:33,819
If the goal was to be big, if
the goal was to compete with WWE
431
00:22:33,919 --> 00:22:38,023
and WCW, going to pay-per-view
was the holy grail.
432
00:22:38,824 --> 00:22:41,727
It was time for me to do
something big, so I took over
433
00:22:41,794 --> 00:22:43,054
ownership of the company.
434
00:22:52,338 --> 00:22:54,773
[crowd cheers]
435
00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:01,013
[crowd chants "ECW"]
436
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,250
- The demand for this
product was so great,
437
00:23:05,184 --> 00:23:08,586
but if you don't take advantage
of that opportunity,
438
00:23:08,587 --> 00:23:10,521
then you're not gonna get
the end result,
439
00:23:10,522 --> 00:23:12,190
which is all that
money coming in
440
00:23:12,191 --> 00:23:13,941
and the expansion
of your product.
441
00:23:14,593 --> 00:23:18,663
- There's this amazing show on
at one o'clock in the morning.
442
00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:22,668
Unfortunately, sponsors and
corporations that maybe would've
443
00:23:22,768 --> 00:23:25,571
worked with them thought that
they were too risky.
444
00:23:27,706 --> 00:23:34,613
- Every single day was
a battle for survival,
445
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,752
and every single day that we
survived was a miracle,
446
00:23:41,186 --> 00:23:43,355
and it just zapped out
Tod's budget.
447
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:45,950
Tod couldn't afford to keep up,
448
00:23:49,028 --> 00:23:51,230
so I took over ownership of the
company.
449
00:23:52,831 --> 00:23:55,001
- Welcome to Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania.
450
00:23:55,834 --> 00:24:01,307
- In 1996, ECW and WWE started
doing a cross-branded story.
451
00:24:01,407 --> 00:24:05,244
The idea of ECW wrestlers now
appearing on WWE Television.
452
00:24:05,245 --> 00:24:07,712
- If we have an opportunity
we're going to-
453
00:24:07,713 --> 00:24:08,646
- Oh.
454
00:24:08,647 --> 00:24:10,316
- Oh, my.
455
00:24:10,382 --> 00:24:11,750
Hey, wait just a moment.
456
00:24:11,751 --> 00:24:15,520
A local wrestling group here in
Philadelphia, and obviously
457
00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:17,789
trying to make a name for
themselves at the expense of the
458
00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:18,958
World Wrestling -.
459
00:24:20,192 --> 00:24:22,928
- I think the WWE
recognized that
460
00:24:22,995 --> 00:24:25,698
"Boy, we're getting ECW chants
at our shows.
461
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:26,999
"What is this company?
462
00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:28,367
Let's see.
463
00:24:28,434 --> 00:24:29,484
Let's find out.
464
00:24:29,568 --> 00:24:30,803
Let's bring them in."
465
00:24:30,804 --> 00:24:33,805
- The local Philadelphia
wrestling outfit, uh,
466
00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:35,473
they're here.
467
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:37,942
- I've had about- just about
all I wanna see of this
468
00:24:37,943 --> 00:24:38,910
crap right here.
469
00:24:38,911 --> 00:24:39,677
Do you understand that?
470
00:24:39,678 --> 00:24:40,846
- Oh, yeah.
471
00:24:40,847 --> 00:24:43,314
- Do you think for one minute
that anybody knows anything
472
00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:45,284
about these idiots, ECW?
473
00:24:45,285 --> 00:24:46,951
- Well, there was no greater
supporter of ECW
474
00:24:46,952 --> 00:24:48,954
than Vince McMahon.
475
00:24:48,955 --> 00:24:52,190
Vince thought we were good for
the industry, if for nothing
476
00:24:52,191 --> 00:24:56,996
else, but because we were a shop
that could create new talent.
477
00:24:57,211 --> 00:24:59,831
- I'll tell you what I'll do.
478
00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:02,433
If you so good, if you're so
tough, I'll make a personal
479
00:25:02,434 --> 00:25:03,635
invitation to you.
480
00:25:03,702 --> 00:25:06,171
Come right here on Raw
next week.
481
00:25:06,238 --> 00:25:08,948
Come on down here, and let's
show-show us what you got.
482
00:25:08,981 --> 00:25:13,277
- We're outside the Manhattan
Center live,
483
00:25:13,278 --> 00:25:14,779
we're coming to you,
ladies and gentlemen, yes,
484
00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:16,248
it's Monday Night Raw.
485
00:25:20,052 --> 00:25:21,153
What is this?
486
00:25:22,988 --> 00:25:24,038
Wait a minute.
487
00:25:25,457 --> 00:25:27,259
Oh.
488
00:25:28,761 --> 00:25:32,498
- Your challenge has been
accepted.
489
00:25:33,098 --> 00:25:38,570
ECW is in the house.
490
00:25:39,304 --> 00:25:44,076
- ECW invasion, it helped WWE
and it helped ECW.
491
00:25:44,143 --> 00:25:50,649
It was the first time ECW had
mainstream exposure and WWE
492
00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:53,352
desperately needed an edge.
493
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:58,757
- Has this show sucked
without ECW or what, huh?
494
00:25:58,824 --> 00:26:00,993
[crowd cheers]
495
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:05,263
- Hopefully things aren't going
to get out of hand here.
496
00:26:05,264 --> 00:26:06,899
- Well, hopefully, they are.
497
00:26:07,332 --> 00:26:10,202
That's what ECW is all about.
498
00:26:11,837 --> 00:26:13,639
[crowd chants "ECW"]
499
00:26:13,705 --> 00:26:15,073
- It's freaking huge for us.
500
00:26:15,074 --> 00:26:16,175
You know what I mean?
501
00:26:16,176 --> 00:26:18,709
You're getting recognized by a
whole different world.
502
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:21,513
- The Sandman is in the
Manhattan Center.
503
00:26:22,181 --> 00:26:25,217
- To cross-promote there and
have those guys come in, it was
504
00:26:25,317 --> 00:26:26,685
kind of a shake up.
505
00:26:26,752 --> 00:26:28,786
- Go ahead, come on.
506
00:26:28,787 --> 00:26:30,956
- The walls come crumbling down
with ECW.
507
00:26:34,026 --> 00:26:39,198
- Because of your cards and your
letters and your phone calls,
508
00:26:39,264 --> 00:26:47,473
that show on April 13th will be
carried live on pay-per-view.
509
00:26:51,477 --> 00:26:57,950
The very first pay-per-view from
ECW, Barely Legal.
510
00:26:58,750 --> 00:27:03,122
- ECW finally reached their
goal, and Paul Heyman gave the
511
00:27:03,188 --> 00:27:04,556
credit to the fans.
512
00:27:06,258 --> 00:27:10,762
- I wanted an audience that was
going to be proud to be ECW
513
00:27:10,829 --> 00:27:13,865
fans, and [bleep], I had that.
514
00:27:13,866 --> 00:27:17,736
Tonight we have a chance to say,
"Yeah, you're right.
515
00:27:17,803 --> 00:27:19,470
We're too extreme.
516
00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:21,672
We're too full of our own
[bleep],"
517
00:27:21,673 --> 00:27:24,475
or we have a chance to
say, "Hey, [bleep] you.
518
00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:25,910
You're wrong.
519
00:27:25,911 --> 00:27:27,912
[bleep] you, we're right,
520
00:27:27,913 --> 00:27:31,550
because you have all made
it to the dance.
521
00:27:31,683 --> 00:27:34,920
'cause, believe me, this is the
dance.
522
00:27:37,556 --> 00:27:38,790
Start the show.
523
00:27:40,626 --> 00:27:43,862
- That was the dance.
524
00:27:43,962 --> 00:27:46,965
It was us against the world.
525
00:27:47,032 --> 00:27:50,669
It was ECW versus the entire
wrestling business.
526
00:27:50,769 --> 00:27:54,006
We were ready to go into battle
because we were a part of
527
00:27:54,072 --> 00:27:56,909
something special and we knew
it.
528
00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,510
[crowd chants "ECW"]
529
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,622
[crowd cheers]
530
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:15,460
- Being an advocate for ECW,
once we got on pay-per-view, we
531
00:28:15,461 --> 00:28:17,461
thought everything was going to
change and
532
00:28:17,462 --> 00:28:19,431
so we were really excited.
533
00:28:20,065 --> 00:28:22,601
I was like, "Mmm, let's go."
534
00:28:25,504 --> 00:28:26,905
- Air Van Dam.
535
00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:31,677
- It felt like a real milestone
that had been that thing that
536
00:28:31,743 --> 00:28:33,183
they'd been chasing forever.
537
00:28:33,779 --> 00:28:35,589
It was a really big
accomplishment.
538
00:28:36,682 --> 00:28:40,319
- This extreme not for
everybody,
539
00:28:40,385 --> 00:28:42,621
little engine that could had
540
00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:44,423
accomplished the impossible.
541
00:28:46,625 --> 00:28:48,393
- Inside cradle, small package.
542
00:28:48,460 --> 00:28:49,627
[bell rings]
543
00:28:49,628 --> 00:28:51,196
- It's over.
544
00:28:51,263 --> 00:28:52,698
We've got a new champion.
545
00:28:52,798 --> 00:28:54,466
We've got a new champion.
546
00:28:57,169 --> 00:29:01,173
The emotion in this area is
overwhelming.
547
00:29:05,377 --> 00:29:06,427
- I'm happy.
548
00:29:08,434 --> 00:29:13,584
- There were two pay-per-view
carriers at the time, and we
549
00:29:13,585 --> 00:29:18,123
were only carried on one, and
despite that, we did 100,000
550
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:20,425
buys for Barely Legal.
551
00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:24,329
And I have no doubt that a big
part of that was the exposure we
552
00:29:24,396 --> 00:29:27,099
got on WWE television.
553
00:29:32,364 --> 00:29:36,273
- Things are moving along for
ECW and then
554
00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:38,944
they catch a huge break.
555
00:29:39,044 --> 00:29:42,648
They got themselves a national
weekly TV show.
556
00:29:43,949 --> 00:29:49,421
- ECW wished for national TV and
national TV killed ECW.
557
00:29:53,959 --> 00:29:57,396
- Hello again, everyone, and
welcome to WWE Raw
558
00:29:57,462 --> 00:29:58,512
and we are live.
559
00:30:01,633 --> 00:30:04,936
- In the late 90s, pro wrestling
as an industry,
560
00:30:05,003 --> 00:30:08,106
got super, super hot again.
561
00:30:08,206 --> 00:30:10,575
WWE was doing
unprecedented numbers.
562
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:17,649
It went from family-friendly
cartoons come to life to edgy,
563
00:30:17,716 --> 00:30:19,384
shocking stuff.
564
00:30:20,419 --> 00:30:23,188
A lot of that was due to the
influence that
565
00:30:23,255 --> 00:30:24,756
they took from ECW.
566
00:30:25,624 --> 00:30:28,527
- All hell is breaking loose in
Madison Square Garden.
567
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,266
- Good God.
568
00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:41,672
- And in 1999, ECW catches an
incredible break by signing
569
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:46,111
their first major national cable
television deal
570
00:30:46,211 --> 00:30:47,679
with a network called TNN.
571
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,881
- Hello, everyone, I'm Joey
Styles and we are getting set to
572
00:30:50,882 --> 00:30:54,585
broadcast some of the most
extreme wrestling matches
573
00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:55,754
you have ever seen.
574
00:30:56,388 --> 00:30:58,223
Moonsault over the bleacher.
575
00:30:59,524 --> 00:31:00,625
Here it comes.
576
00:31:01,259 --> 00:31:02,661
Awesome Bomb.
577
00:31:03,829 --> 00:31:05,964
- TNN was a channel
that wasn't popular.
578
00:31:05,965 --> 00:31:09,667
I thought, well, automatically
we're going to be the number one
579
00:31:09,668 --> 00:31:12,636
rated to show on there, and I
believed that this was going to
580
00:31:12,637 --> 00:31:13,687
be our big break.
581
00:31:14,106 --> 00:31:16,641
- Rob Van Dam here on the
outside.
582
00:31:16,708 --> 00:31:18,643
Oh, my God.
583
00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:23,482
- I was a WWE guy, but I think
I liked ECW better.
584
00:31:23,483 --> 00:31:25,316
So I was like, "Oh, man, these
guys are doing something
585
00:31:25,317 --> 00:31:26,718
way different."
586
00:31:26,785 --> 00:31:28,820
- Rhyno, this is not where he
wants to be.
587
00:31:29,421 --> 00:31:30,555
Oh, my God.
588
00:31:31,456 --> 00:31:34,326
- What in the hell could
possibly happen next on TNN?
589
00:31:36,294 --> 00:31:42,334
- ECW wished for national TV and
they got national TV and
590
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,236
national TV killed ECW.
591
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:49,474
- We signed a deal with TNN,
which was very
592
00:31:49,541 --> 00:31:51,009
favorable to them.
593
00:31:52,244 --> 00:31:53,624
We didn't get paid any money.
594
00:31:53,678 --> 00:31:56,088
To my knowledge, we were just
getting exposure.
595
00:31:57,115 --> 00:31:58,375
- The ECW never made money.
596
00:31:59,151 --> 00:32:00,352
We paid to be everywhere.
597
00:32:00,353 --> 00:32:02,386
We were paying to be on all
those channels.
598
00:32:02,387 --> 00:32:04,137
Those channels weren't
paying us.
599
00:32:05,023 --> 00:32:07,392
- TNN fought us every step of
the way.
600
00:32:07,459 --> 00:32:11,329
They did not like the way we did
television, they wanted it to be
601
00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:13,432
more polished like WWE.
602
00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:16,034
- It was a startup company
603
00:32:16,101 --> 00:32:19,471
whose entire presentation
was counterculture.
604
00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:23,041
That was a necessary,
necessary component.
605
00:32:23,042 --> 00:32:24,875
So, you're not going to get
mainstream advertisers.
606
00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:27,212
You're not going to get
big name sponsorship.
607
00:32:27,213 --> 00:32:28,579
It was just another battle
608
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:31,050
we were gonna have to pull
a bunch of miracles for.
609
00:32:31,051 --> 00:32:33,184
- You're sort of
conflicted about it.
610
00:32:33,185 --> 00:32:35,986
You're happy that you're finally
getting some sort of national
611
00:32:35,987 --> 00:32:38,590
exposure, um
but at what cost?
612
00:32:38,591 --> 00:32:43,360
- I don't know if Paul could
have ever compromised himself
613
00:32:43,361 --> 00:32:45,029
or the product enough.
614
00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:46,263
Paul was too much of a rebel.
615
00:32:46,264 --> 00:32:47,314
We all were.
616
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:50,234
- This was just another battle.
617
00:32:50,235 --> 00:32:53,405
Because we were in such dire
straits with the network,
618
00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:56,675
the pay-per-view companies
are holding back
619
00:32:56,741 --> 00:32:59,151
our money they're just letting
the money drift.
620
00:33:00,679 --> 00:33:04,482
Our deal with TNN was falling
apart horrifically.
621
00:33:05,484 --> 00:33:08,420
- Paul Heyman isn't a guy known
for holding his tongue.
622
00:33:08,753 --> 00:33:13,758
Paul being unhappy with how the
network was treating ECW decided
623
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:17,596
to air out TNN on TNN.
624
00:33:18,196 --> 00:33:20,398
- We hate this stinking network.
625
00:33:20,465 --> 00:33:22,868
We hate their guts for
abandoning us,
626
00:33:22,869 --> 00:33:25,035
we hate their guts for not
supporting us,
627
00:33:25,036 --> 00:33:27,372
we hate their
guts for not advertising us.
628
00:33:27,439 --> 00:33:29,107
- They never got behind us ever.
629
00:33:29,207 --> 00:33:33,845
The only commercial that they
ever showed for ECW ran during
630
00:33:33,912 --> 00:33:35,814
the hour that we were on.
631
00:33:35,881 --> 00:33:39,784
Meanwhile, TNN was planning on
working out a different deal
632
00:33:39,885 --> 00:33:41,953
with WWE to bring them in.
633
00:33:41,954 --> 00:33:44,388
- You see, in just a few weeks,
the network is going to give
634
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:50,195
$100 million to Vince McMahon
like he needs it to replace us.
635
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,064
[WWE Raw's music plays]
636
00:33:53,164 --> 00:34:00,639
- This is our inaugural
broadcast for WWE Raw on TNN.
637
00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:07,546
- Monday Night Raw starts to air
on TNN, and a week later,
638
00:34:07,646 --> 00:34:09,347
ECW is canceled.
639
00:34:11,583 --> 00:34:15,353
- It's common knowledge
how dire our situation is
640
00:34:15,354 --> 00:34:16,787
so I have a meeting with Vince,
641
00:34:16,788 --> 00:34:18,924
and he can relate to all of
these problems
642
00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:21,220
'cause he's been through it
himself before.
643
00:34:21,221 --> 00:34:23,227
He said "What can I do to help
you?"
644
00:34:23,228 --> 00:34:25,462
I said "Well, you can give me
$500,000 right now so I can put
645
00:34:25,463 --> 00:34:27,873
on my show in LA and get to my
next pay-per-view."
646
00:34:27,874 --> 00:34:31,235
And without blinking, five
minutes later we were wired
647
00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:33,238
$500,000 dollars as a loan
648
00:34:33,305 --> 00:34:36,674
to shop around our TV
show to more networks,
649
00:34:36,675 --> 00:34:39,343
and keep on putting on
pay-per-view's and hopefully
650
00:34:39,344 --> 00:34:41,994
get our money out of the
pay-per-view distributors.
651
00:34:43,148 --> 00:34:44,416
That bought us some time.
652
00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:52,990
- There were so many financial
problems in ECW
653
00:34:52,991 --> 00:34:55,660
that it just became
unsustainable for him.
654
00:34:56,594 --> 00:35:04,035
- When the ECW wrestlers were
leaving for greener pastures,
655
00:35:04,102 --> 00:35:06,771
I'd probably try to talk every
one of them out of it.
656
00:35:06,838 --> 00:35:07,888
It hurt.
657
00:35:07,889 --> 00:35:09,907
- Wait a minute.
658
00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:10,674
- What's this?
659
00:35:10,675 --> 00:35:11,408
[bell rings]
660
00:35:11,409 --> 00:35:13,345
- King, oh man.
661
00:35:13,745 --> 00:35:15,713
King, The Dudley Boys.
662
00:35:15,714 --> 00:35:16,764
The Dudley Boys.
663
00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:20,218
Former ECW Tag Team Champions.
664
00:35:20,318 --> 00:35:26,157
- I worked so close with Paul,
Tazz worked so close with Paul.
665
00:35:27,659 --> 00:35:30,227
- Man, what an impact for Tazz.
666
00:35:30,228 --> 00:35:32,831
His first night in the WWE.
667
00:35:34,099 --> 00:35:38,870
- The rest of the guys knew,
if these guys are leaving,
668
00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:40,305
something must be wrong.
669
00:35:44,509 --> 00:35:46,511
[crowd chants "ECW"]
670
00:35:46,512 --> 00:35:47,645
- Hello, everyone,
671
00:35:47,646 --> 00:35:51,616
and welcome to
Guilty as Charged.
672
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,190
- I wrestled that last
pay-per-view
673
00:35:57,222 --> 00:35:59,524
and-and under special
conditions,
674
00:35:59,591 --> 00:36:03,361
you know, I told Paul that I
needed get paid in cash up
675
00:36:03,428 --> 00:36:06,798
front, couldn't take a chance
of not getting paid.
676
00:36:08,299 --> 00:36:11,169
- He was owed a lot of money,
like we all were,
677
00:36:11,236 --> 00:36:13,371
but Rob Van Dam
stayed till the end.
678
00:36:13,372 --> 00:36:16,340
- Of course, when I was there
and I was like,
679
00:36:16,341 --> 00:36:17,842
"This is a check."
680
00:36:17,909 --> 00:36:21,146
He was like, "You mean cash,
cash?"
681
00:36:21,246 --> 00:36:22,296
[chuckles]
682
00:36:22,313 --> 00:36:24,816
But that's just Paul,
but everything worked out.
683
00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:27,652
- The Van Terminator.
684
00:36:30,388 --> 00:36:33,892
- Everything was just like so
good then and it was just the
685
00:36:33,958 --> 00:36:35,794
last time that it would be.
686
00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:44,969
- In every aspect, we were born,
bred, raised to crash and burn
687
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:46,137
as a company.
688
00:36:46,604 --> 00:36:47,872
We were a shooting star.
689
00:36:48,087 --> 00:36:54,111
- The pay-per-view distributors
offered to give us some money
690
00:36:54,112 --> 00:36:55,646
if we put on the
next pay-per-view,
691
00:36:55,647 --> 00:36:57,114
but they wouldn't
give us the money
692
00:36:57,115 --> 00:36:58,715
until we put on the
next pay-per-view,
693
00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:00,517
but we couldn't put on
the next pay-per-view
694
00:37:00,518 --> 00:37:01,920
unless we got their money.
695
00:37:04,122 --> 00:37:05,523
We were finished.
696
00:37:05,590 --> 00:37:07,492
We were filing for bankruptcy.
697
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:08,860
It was over.
698
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,597
Had we landed on television,
you'd be interviewing me today
699
00:37:12,664 --> 00:37:17,001
as the genius that took ECW all
the way and I'd be sitting here
700
00:37:17,068 --> 00:37:18,938
with a billion-dollar stock
option.
701
00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:23,775
And the fact that we couldn't
find television makes me the
702
00:37:23,842 --> 00:37:26,644
schmuck that couldn't carry ECW
any further.
703
00:37:33,518 --> 00:37:39,124
WWE finally acquired all the
assets of ECW after a long
704
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,558
bankruptcy proceeding.
705
00:37:41,593 --> 00:37:44,562
- There were a lot of athletes
I liked in ECW, and they had
706
00:37:44,629 --> 00:37:45,679
a huge fan base.
707
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,799
And that's why I wasn't
surprised when Vince McMahon
708
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,635
bought the company in 2001.
709
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:56,441
- My God, somebody tell me what
this means.
710
00:37:56,508 --> 00:38:00,211
I thought ECW was dead and
buried.
711
00:38:01,112 --> 00:38:04,949
- Even though it hurt to lose
ECW, the fact that it went to
712
00:38:05,049 --> 00:38:09,420
WWE also gave you a feeling of
I'm not saying goodbye to all of
713
00:38:09,521 --> 00:38:12,824
this, it's just going to be
different than it was before.
714
00:38:12,825 --> 00:38:17,027
- It was really great to see the
transition that some people were
715
00:38:17,028 --> 00:38:21,900
able to make from ECW and then
see such a wider audience have
716
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,668
appreciation for them.
717
00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:25,518
- Oh, we got new tag team
champions.
718
00:38:26,971 --> 00:38:29,507
Rob Van Dam is the
Intercontinental Champion.
719
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:38,515
[crowd chants "Thank you"]
720
00:38:38,516 --> 00:38:41,085
- ECW was special because they
were extreme.
721
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,990
It's what led the audience to
the product, but it was also one
722
00:38:46,057 --> 00:38:49,060
of the things that led to ECW's
downfall.
723
00:38:49,494 --> 00:38:53,431
A lot of companies and sponsors
didn't want to work with ECW
724
00:38:53,498 --> 00:38:56,067
because of the nature of the
programming.
725
00:38:57,402 --> 00:39:01,471
- I always compare ECW
to Napster.
726
00:39:01,472 --> 00:39:04,442
Napster went bankrupt
and out of business,
727
00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:08,446
but Napster changed the way
we listened to music forever.
728
00:39:09,914 --> 00:39:12,650
ECW went bankrupt
and out of business,
729
00:39:13,484 --> 00:39:16,754
but ECW changed the wrestling
business forever.
730
00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:21,659
[crowd cheering]
731
00:39:21,759 --> 00:39:23,329
- Bubba Ray Dudley
says it best.
732
00:39:23,995 --> 00:39:25,829
"ECW wasn't meant to last.
733
00:39:25,830 --> 00:39:27,464
We were meant to go out
in a blaze of glory.
734
00:39:27,465 --> 00:39:28,498
We were Napster.
735
00:39:28,499 --> 00:39:30,033
We were here to change
the business.
736
00:39:30,034 --> 00:39:32,270
We were here to disrupt
the industry."
737
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:34,472
And it's exactly what we did.
738
00:39:35,673 --> 00:39:38,309
For those of you,
who will say,
739
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:42,747
that ECW lives no more,
740
00:39:42,847 --> 00:39:47,719
I respectfully disagree
with your assessment,
741
00:39:47,785 --> 00:39:50,021
and for those of you who
don't realize it,
742
00:39:50,121 --> 00:39:53,758
ECW is alive today
in the matches
743
00:39:53,759 --> 00:39:55,392
that are performed
in front of you,
744
00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:57,028
that in the concepts
745
00:39:57,029 --> 00:39:59,229
that have been adopted
by the entire industry,
746
00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:03,001
and the passion of the fan base
that still comes today
747
00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:05,803
to WWE and any other
wrestling promotion
748
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:07,605
on the face of this planet.
749
00:40:09,707 --> 00:40:14,812
If you think that the spirit of
ECW died
750
00:40:14,879 --> 00:40:17,815
in a bankruptcy court in 2001,
751
00:40:17,882 --> 00:40:20,918
you can suck my [bleep].
752
00:40:20,985 --> 00:40:30,962
[crowd cheers]
753
00:40:36,367 --> 00:40:37,635
- What a bathroom here.
754
00:40:37,702 --> 00:40:38,803
How apropos.
755
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:41,773
The ECW wall.
756
00:40:42,607 --> 00:40:47,812
You got D-Von Dudley, testify,
Hall of Fame right there.
757
00:40:47,879 --> 00:40:49,814
You got Tod Gordon.
758
00:40:49,881 --> 00:40:52,350
I just saw an RVD somewhere.
759
00:40:52,483 --> 00:40:54,151
Oh, wait, where
the freak is my-
760
00:40:54,152 --> 00:40:56,087
I must have signed
this somewhere.
761
00:40:58,189 --> 00:41:01,125
- We still talk about it because
ECW was a phenomenon.
762
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:05,390
Just like we talk about the
Chicago Bulls dynasty
763
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:09,200
to this day in basketball, we
will always talk about ECW.
764
00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:12,470
[crowd chants "ECW"]
765
00:41:12,471 --> 00:41:16,306
- Unless you've been to an ECW
show and seen them at their
766
00:41:16,307 --> 00:41:19,877
peak, then you have not seen
or done it all.
767
00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:23,880
- You wear those ECW shirts like
a badge of honor because you
768
00:41:23,881 --> 00:41:26,851
were at the bingo hall, or you
at least want people
769
00:41:26,918 --> 00:41:28,519
to think that you were.
770
00:41:30,021 --> 00:41:32,071
- To this day when I see
original ECW fans
771
00:41:33,424 --> 00:41:36,827
with ECW tattoos and everything
else, I am just shocked
772
00:41:36,828 --> 00:41:37,878
and I am just moved.
773
00:41:39,397 --> 00:41:44,869
- I wish people could understand
how deep the relationship ran
774
00:41:44,969 --> 00:41:46,938
between the wrestlers
and those fans.
775
00:41:46,939 --> 00:41:50,407
This company was like a family,
and that's what made
776
00:41:50,408 --> 00:41:51,458
it so special.
777
00:41:53,244 --> 00:41:56,414
- The fact that we can
incorporate stuff that happened
778
00:41:56,481 --> 00:42:00,118
in ECW in WWE now, that just
shows a little bit of the legacy
779
00:42:00,184 --> 00:42:01,486
that ECW still has.
780
00:42:02,186 --> 00:42:05,123
- Paul with the Frog Splash.
781
00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:11,629
- When anyone shows up, whether
it be Paul Heyman, Rob Van Dam,
782
00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:15,233
you hear that chant, "ECW, ECW."
783
00:42:15,234 --> 00:42:17,067
You're gonna hear the chant
every single time.
784
00:42:17,068 --> 00:42:20,805
[crowd chants "ECW"]
785
00:42:21,606 --> 00:42:27,311
- I lived it in my sleep, and
it was all encompassing.
786
00:42:27,412 --> 00:42:28,880
It was exhilarating.
787
00:42:28,946 --> 00:42:32,483
It was extreme.
788
00:42:34,352 --> 00:42:41,359
[crowd chants "ECW"]
789
00:42:41,409 --> 00:42:45,959
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