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It's time for another edition of
the Snake Pit, presented to you
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exclusively by Podcast Heat
and AdFreeShows.com
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- Inside my Hall of Fame ring,
it says,
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"Work ethic equals dreams."
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You can do it.
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Anything can happen.
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You gotta be positive,
shake that-- off,
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and just keep moving forward.
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[crowd cheers]
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- He does the Diamond cutter
and the place explodes.
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- My whole life,
I believed in myself.
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- Everybody told him,
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"You're too old. You're too old.
You're too old."
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- Even at 35-year-old with
years, some hard years.
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- I actually told him,
"Don't quit your day job."
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- I don't wanna be
messing my hair.
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- The goal that everybody told
we would never achieve,
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nobody but him
believed could happen.
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- Underdog that he might be.
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He has became a major player.
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- He was right, and all the
naysayers were wrong.
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[bell rings]
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- We got a new World Champion,
guys,
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- And it's DDP.
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- Then, everything
I worked for was gone.
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- It was stressful.
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It was hard to make ends meet.
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- It doesn't matter what the
adversity is,
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if you fall,
get back up again.
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- He is so, and always
has been so driven.
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- [grunts]
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- He just has such
a strong work ethic.
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Growing up the way he did,
he always had to work harder.
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- 17.
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- I think his legacy is more
outside of the ring,
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than it is inside the ring.
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- Bottom line is,
it starts here, bro.
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I'm -- frustrated, man.
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I'm -- pissed off.
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- Dallas saved my life.
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- Ahh.
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[laughs]
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- Dallas just likes
helping people.
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[applause]
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- If he needed me today, I
would stop everything I'm doing,
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and I'll go wherever he at he
need me.
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- It's all about pride.
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- You get whatever you want,
as long as you help
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enough people get
what they want.
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That's truest statement I've
ever heard,
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and I live by it.
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♪
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- The old neighborhood.
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[laughs]
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I was born
Page Joseph Falkinburg.
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April 5th, 1956 in Point
Pleasant, New Jersey,
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down on the Jersey Shore.
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By the time I was
three-years-old,
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my mom was married,
divorced, and had three kids.
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My mom moved up to North Jersey
to make more money,
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so she could help
support the family.
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I went to live with my dad.
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My dad was,
he was a hard worker.
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He was a good guy,
but he made bad decisions,
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and he liked to drink.
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He couldn't even spell
the word "father" back then,
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let alone be one.
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So he brought me to my
grandmother's house.
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That's where I grew up.
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- My grandmother brought us up.
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My mom was our dad,
basically,
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because she took care
of us financially.
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And my mom would come down,
and she would make sure that
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everything was in order.
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- Once or twice a month,
she would come down,
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didn't see her a lot, and my
grandmother was there,
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but there wasn't a lot of
parenting skills there.
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I pretty much raised myself.
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And when I was in school,
when you can't read,
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the last thing you're gonna tell
somebody is, "You can't read."
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I mean, I-I grew up with ADD and
dyslexia, at a time when no one
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knew what the hell
ADD or dyslexia was.
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They just thought
we were stupid.
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And when you had everybody
laughing at you,
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I'd get myself kicked outta
the class before it got there.
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I didn't look at it
as adversity,
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I just looked at it as life.
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Then, when I was in seventh
grade, I got hit by a car.
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It hit my right knee, my face
bounced off the hood,
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and I flew 42 feet-
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[chuckles]
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-from point of impact.
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So this was a serious
knee injury.
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That was a life-changing
experience, to say the least,
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because I was like, loved
football, loved hockey,
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and they weren't gonna
let me play that anymore.
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They weren't gonna
let me play sports.
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That was the first part
of someone telling me
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I can't do something.
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No one was gonna take
athletics away from me.
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And I really believe that, that
helped me develop
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a lot of the positivity, if you
will, when it looks the darkest,
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I believe it really helped me
start very young, telling them,
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"No, you're not gonna tell me
what I can, or can't do."
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- Back then, and through
his whole lifetime,
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everything always turns around
for him, because not a quitter
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never was, never will be.
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[crowd cheers]
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- And the roar of the crowd
now is for The Dream.
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It is for Mr. Dusty Rhodes.
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- When Page was younger,
he loved wrestling.
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He watched it on TV.
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He fell in love with it.
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- Dusty Rhodes,
Bruno Sammartino,
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and those bigger-than-life
characters made me think,
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"I could do that."
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And one night after college,
me and my buddy had gone
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to a wrestling match at Asbury
Park Convention Center,
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and we were like, "We're gonna
talk to somebody there.
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We're gonna find out how
to get into wrestling."
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And I see
Greg "The Hammer" Valentine.
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- Thus far, this match,
pretty much all Greg Valentine.
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- I was out in the back of the
Asbury Park Convention Center,
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and this skinny guy yells up
at me, and says,
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"Hey, Greg Valentine."
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- Hey, Hammer, how do you get
into professional wrestling?
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- Yeah, I said,
"Go -- yourself."
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- He walked back inside.
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He was being a heel,
but he was fascinating to me.
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- Next time, I won't accept gift
any on here.
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- I thought,
"Man, professional wrestling."
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This became my dream.
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So I go up to Jersey City
twice a week to start
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learning how to wrestle.
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I would get so excited,
but at one point I went over
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to the top rope and came down,
and tweaked the hell
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outta my right knee, the same
knee got hit by the car.
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[chuckles]
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The doctor's like,
"You're done."
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So, at 23 in 1979,
I don't have a job,
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and that's how I came in
to the nightclub world.
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Started as a bouncer,
and bartender.
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- Everybody knew Page, you know,
he-he was large and in charge
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when he walked in the door,
and he just knew
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how to bring people together.
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- And then, eventually, I get a
call from my buddy, Tony Cafaro,
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and he says,
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"Hey, I got this idea about
a club in Fort Myers, Florida.
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I really want you to come down.
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You can run it.
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Norma Jean's Dance Club."
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And that place was crazy.
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- You've gotta remember,
in the 1980s,
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Florida was synonymous
with a good time.
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[Miami Vice theme song]
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- Miami Vice was the biggest
show on television.
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When you thought about Florida
and the nightlife scene,
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you thought about the biggest
party in the country.
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- I'm not seen as a pill head or
a drug addict, but I partied.
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One night, I did some cocaine,
and that like scared me,
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and I thought, l
"Mm, that -- wil own me."
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And I stopped.
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Still, it was the booze,
the broads, and the party.
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I was a guy who looked like
a rockstar, who ran a nightclub.
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And I was wearing
my zebra skin boots and jeans
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with holes in it.
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Rock and roll T-shirt.
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And I said,
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"Can you imagine if I ever have
a reason to dress like this?"
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[chuckles]
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And by this time,
I'm not really even thinking
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about wrestling,
but occasionally,
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I watch and
then WrestleMania happened.
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[crowd cheers]
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The first guy to come
through the curtain.
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I'm like, "Who is this guy?"
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- Jake "The Snake" Roberts.
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- I am totally sucked in.
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- Let's see what--
Oh, my goodness,
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look at that.
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- I was so bummed out
that I did not continue
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following my dream.
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So one night I get in my club,
go back to my office,
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I'm gonna get my keys,
and I go to grab 'em.
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And there's two monitors there.
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And I look at the monitor,
I'm like, "No way."
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Of course, it's
Jake "The Snake" Roberts.
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I say,
"Man, you Jake 'The Snake'?"
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"Who wants to know?"
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"The guy that runs this place."
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Said, "What are we drinking?"
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And me and Jake, we had
a hell of time that night.
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And he would later, you know,
best friends with DiBiase and
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The Bushwhackers,
and-and he told the boys like,
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"Hey, you got some guy there,
cool dude,
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you won't pay for anything."
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[laughs]
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- And we went into this bar,
and this wild character
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was in there running the place.
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And he goes, "Man, I love
the wrestling business.
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Someday I wanna be in it."
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I'm thinking,
"You're my age.
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I'm on my way out,
and you're not even in it yet."
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- At 30-years-old, being around
those guys, it really started
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getting my mind thinking,
"Man, you really blew it.
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You-you could have been
a part of this."
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- Norma Jean's is
the place to go.
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It's the hottest club from
Sarasota to Cuba.
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- One night out with my
girlfriends, I decided to go
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to this hot nightclub that
everybody was going to,
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and this huge hulk of a man
walked in,
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and asked if he could
buy me a drink.
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- Kimberly and I started dating,
and the guy who was not
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a faithful dude to anyone,
became very faithful.
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One year to the day,
I asked her to marry me.
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- He did live a very rockstar
lifestyle in the nightclub
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business, but I thought,
"He's a hustler.
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He's gonna make things happen.
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I know he's going to be
successful whatever he's doing."
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- So, here's Page,
newly married.
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And even though he's successful
in the nightlife industry,
222
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he can't get out of his head
this dream of being
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a professional wrestler.
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- So, one night at my club
at closing time,
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I've been drinking,
and we're all doing shots.
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And while we were in my office,
I thought, "I'm 31 and a half.
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Too old to be a wrestler,
but maybe-maybe
228
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I could be a manager.
229
00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:42,468
I could be Diamond Dallas Page,
230
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and I could have
the Diamond Exchange."
231
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And I'm just writing that down,
doodling it.
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That's what makes
me think of it.
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And at the end of the night,
you know, we're getting ready
234
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to leave, and I said,
"You know, it's possible."
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- Good God, now to the end of
February, Norma Jean's Café
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00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:04,357
there's a special--
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I did all of
our radio commercials.
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I get a call from the local
cable network that wanna
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do a story on the guy
behind the voice.
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00:12:13,666 --> 00:12:15,468
I want it, but it isn't just
the commercials, the voice,
241
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the writing of the ideas.
242
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If we can't get it across
from our people--
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They say to me,
244
00:12:20,106 --> 00:12:22,609
"So where does the voice
come from?"
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00:12:22,675 --> 00:12:25,912
And I grabbed those sunglasses
and I put them on, and I said,
246
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"I was born to be a professional
wrestling manager."
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That's right.
248
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Diamond Dallas Page
is where the voice comes from.
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It speaks--
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You never know who's watching.
251
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I get a call from the AWA.
252
00:12:36,456 --> 00:12:38,992
There's a void
for a young manager.
253
00:12:39,826 --> 00:12:45,598
- The AWA sees this character,
and mistakenly think,
254
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he's in the world of
professional wrestling.
255
00:12:48,968 --> 00:12:52,272
- They said, "Dallas, we're
gonna give you a tryout."
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I couldn't believe it.
257
00:12:54,474 --> 00:12:57,844
- That's when I thought about
the risk, because I thought,
258
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if he's really gonna do this,
259
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this is a crazy industry
to be going into.
260
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- You got it, dude.
261
00:13:04,183 --> 00:13:06,185
MTV is looking to stand
a wrestling world on its ear.
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We're looking for the--
263
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- Next thing you know, I am
Diamond Dallas Page.
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00:13:11,691 --> 00:13:12,759
[chuckles]
265
00:13:12,825 --> 00:13:16,562
I'm being walked to the ring
by the Diamond Doll.
266
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- Give me that microphone,
L-L-L-Larry.
267
00:13:19,465 --> 00:13:23,269
- Then, I get a call
from Mike Graham.
268
00:13:23,336 --> 00:13:26,005
He goes, "I'm sitting here
with Dusty Rhodes.
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00:13:26,072 --> 00:13:29,909
He's left WWE and he's coming
to WCW to work.
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00:13:29,909 --> 00:13:31,344
I wanna put you on the
phone with him.
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I want you to blow him away like
it's the biggest mark ever."
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- Dusty took an interest in
Dallas because he saw something.
273
00:13:39,952 --> 00:13:43,022
- "Mike, Mike, Mike,
I've-I've got strep throat."
274
00:13:43,089 --> 00:13:44,524
"You're on."
275
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I had nothing prepared,
but I knew Dusty's stuff.
276
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"Good God. Dusty Rhodes,
the tower of power,
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00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,065
the man of the hour."
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00:13:52,131 --> 00:13:56,669
Did like this 40 second rant.
279
00:13:56,669 --> 00:14:02,709
And then you hear that voice,
"Was that a recording kid?"
280
00:14:02,775 --> 00:14:04,911
I said, "No, Dusty.
That was me."
281
00:14:04,911 --> 00:14:07,513
He goes, "All right, we're gonna
talk about some business."
282
00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:09,315
[crowd cheers]
283
00:14:09,382 --> 00:14:13,086
- Big Daddy D and Chairman
of the Board of the Diamond
284
00:14:13,152 --> 00:14:17,123
Exchange, Diamond Dallas Page.
285
00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:21,461
- His dream finally started to
come true well into adulthood.
286
00:14:21,561 --> 00:14:22,695
- I got all my ducks in a row.
287
00:14:22,795 --> 00:14:23,796
I'm gonna--
288
00:14:23,863 --> 00:14:25,298
- When he made his
way to WCW, fortunately,
289
00:14:25,398 --> 00:14:27,867
they stuck him with Scott Hall.
290
00:14:27,934 --> 00:14:30,670
- I felt like I was pretty sound
and had a pretty good physique,
291
00:14:30,670 --> 00:14:35,374
and stuff like that, but I
didn't have a marketable look.
292
00:14:35,441 --> 00:14:37,076
- I pick up the phone and I
call, and I go,
293
00:14:37,143 --> 00:14:39,946
"Bro, you gotta get rid
of that mustache."
294
00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:41,748
I took him to my hairdresser.
295
00:14:41,848 --> 00:14:43,950
He showed up.
296
00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:45,818
He looked like
a damn movie star.
297
00:14:45,918 --> 00:14:51,124
- 293 pounds,
the D-D-D-Diamond Stud.
298
00:14:51,190 --> 00:14:52,959
- And from there
big things happened.
299
00:14:53,025 --> 00:14:54,227
Turned out to be great for me.
300
00:14:54,227 --> 00:14:55,828
Life changing.
301
00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:57,430
So, thank you, Dallas.
302
00:14:57,497 --> 00:15:00,099
- He's Diamond Dallas Page.
303
00:15:00,199 --> 00:15:01,267
- And you're not.
304
00:15:01,367 --> 00:15:03,002
See ya.
305
00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:04,570
- I'm living the dream
right now.
306
00:15:04,637 --> 00:15:05,838
I'm thinking I'm on fire.
307
00:15:05,905 --> 00:15:07,440
- I don't want to be
messing up my hair.
308
00:15:07,507 --> 00:15:09,142
Good God.
309
00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:11,611
- There's this kind of a
fulfillment of a dream for him,
310
00:15:11,677 --> 00:15:13,412
so I was supportive.
311
00:15:13,479 --> 00:15:17,383
But, again, I knew that it was--
It's a rough racket.
312
00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:20,987
- Welcome back to
Worldwide Wrestling.
313
00:15:20,987 --> 00:15:23,823
Magnum TA, here with
two real characters.
314
00:15:23,823 --> 00:15:27,226
- Magnum TA was a former
wrestler that was now
315
00:15:27,226 --> 00:15:29,562
in a management role in WCW.
316
00:15:29,629 --> 00:15:32,965
- Magnum pulls me into
the office of TV.
317
00:15:33,032 --> 00:15:36,035
He said, "Listen, we can't let
you manage anymore."
318
00:15:38,738 --> 00:15:39,906
I said, "Did I do something?
319
00:15:40,006 --> 00:15:40,840
He said, "No."
320
00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:42,675
He goes- he goes,
"It's not your fault.
321
00:15:42,742 --> 00:15:47,280
It's the hair, the clothes, the
bling, the wrap, the dolls.
322
00:15:47,346 --> 00:15:49,882
When you're out there,
you're taking too much attention
323
00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:51,017
away from the wrestlers.
324
00:15:51,117 --> 00:15:53,152
And they're the ones
who draw the money."
325
00:15:53,219 --> 00:15:55,822
I'm like, "Magnum, are you
telling me I'm too over the top
326
00:15:55,888 --> 00:15:58,624
for professional wrestling?"
327
00:15:58,691 --> 00:16:01,561
So, now, everything
I worked for was gone.
328
00:16:05,431 --> 00:16:09,735
- I think everything that
happened to me along the way,
329
00:16:09,802 --> 00:16:12,371
from not being able,
to read to bouncing around
330
00:16:12,438 --> 00:16:18,277
from one family to another, to
raising myself most of the time,
331
00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:23,583
it taught me that, it doesn't
matter what the adversity is,
332
00:16:23,683 --> 00:16:27,987
you just have to keep
moving forward.
333
00:16:28,387 --> 00:16:32,191
If you fall, get back up again.
334
00:16:33,392 --> 00:16:38,598
So, at 35 and a half, I said,
335
00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:41,434
"I'm gonna become
a professional wrestler."
336
00:16:42,268 --> 00:16:44,971
No one starts at that age.
337
00:16:46,072 --> 00:16:47,240
I moved to Atlanta.
338
00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:50,877
Next day, I started
at the Power plant.
339
00:16:53,446 --> 00:16:56,716
[background conversation]
340
00:16:56,782 --> 00:16:58,384
- He worked out
at the same gym I did.
341
00:16:58,451 --> 00:17:02,622
I actually told him,
"Man, don't quit your day job."
342
00:17:02,722 --> 00:17:05,625
[background conversation]
343
00:17:05,691 --> 00:17:06,559
- He's in his 30s.
344
00:17:06,626 --> 00:17:07,760
Who starts wrestling
in their 30s?
345
00:17:07,827 --> 00:17:09,362
It's a young man's game.
346
00:17:09,629 --> 00:17:11,664
- The challenges that lie
before him were,
347
00:17:11,731 --> 00:17:13,833
I thought, unnavigable.
348
00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:17,036
I thought, "There's no way
this guy can do it."
349
00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:18,838
- I thought to myself,
350
00:17:18,938 --> 00:17:23,876
"Man, I got a long way to go and
it's gonna be a long, hard road.
351
00:17:23,943 --> 00:17:27,113
And I'm not making any money."
352
00:17:27,113 --> 00:17:28,481
- It was stressful.
353
00:17:28,548 --> 00:17:33,886
We, um-- yeah, it was hard
to make ends meet.
354
00:17:33,953 --> 00:17:36,822
- Five months in, and Kimberly,
she was like,
355
00:17:36,923 --> 00:17:38,991
"You need to go back
into the bar business.
356
00:17:39,058 --> 00:17:42,995
Like things are getting
really tight."
357
00:17:43,062 --> 00:17:46,165
And that's where that inner
voice, like,
358
00:17:46,232 --> 00:17:50,236
"Yes, I am gonna be one of the
top guys in this business."
359
00:17:50,303 --> 00:17:53,472
That was the story
I was telling myself.
360
00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:58,711
And then one day at the
Power Plant, I hear, "Page?"
361
00:17:58,711 --> 00:18:03,049
and I turn around and it's
Jake "The Snake" Roberts.
362
00:18:05,785 --> 00:18:08,821
He's with WWE.
363
00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:13,726
And he's moving
into the territory.
364
00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:18,631
By this time,
Jake was battling demons.
365
00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:23,569
- All I cared about was
getting my next high.
366
00:18:23,636 --> 00:18:28,374
You know, that's what
drug addicts do.
367
00:18:28,841 --> 00:18:31,911
- But Jake, I thought I could
help him just, you know,
368
00:18:31,911 --> 00:18:36,882
just to be on a healthier-
healthier journey in his life.
369
00:18:36,949 --> 00:18:38,184
That's what I said.
370
00:18:38,184 --> 00:18:39,585
"Listen, I'm gonna talk to
Kimberly and see if she'll let
371
00:18:39,652 --> 00:18:42,388
you, uh, take the bedroom
we have downstairs
372
00:18:42,388 --> 00:18:44,523
until you find a place."
373
00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:46,525
So, he stayed with us.
374
00:18:46,592 --> 00:18:48,828
"I don't wanna be
the booze police.
375
00:18:48,894 --> 00:18:50,630
You know, I just wanna be
your friend."
376
00:18:51,864 --> 00:18:56,435
- As DDP is trying to figure out
how he can get back into
377
00:18:56,435 --> 00:19:00,673
the industry, that same industry
is kind of pushing out
378
00:19:00,673 --> 00:19:02,241
Jake "The Snake" Roberts.
379
00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:05,711
And-and those
two paths come together.
380
00:19:05,778 --> 00:19:10,116
But the ultimate irony is that
Jake "The Snake" Roberts
381
00:19:10,116 --> 00:19:15,187
is one of the guys that DDP
had idolized for years
382
00:19:15,187 --> 00:19:17,390
leading up to this.
383
00:19:18,791 --> 00:19:23,195
And now he's-he's crashing
in DDP's basement.
384
00:19:23,596 --> 00:19:27,566
- He was bad, but wasn't
anywhere near as bad
385
00:19:27,633 --> 00:19:31,604
as he would get decades later.
386
00:19:33,672 --> 00:19:37,743
- When Jake came to stay,
Jake and Dallas,
387
00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:40,713
they'd spent a lot of time
staying up late,
388
00:19:40,713 --> 00:19:43,549
watching Jake's wrestling
videos, rehearsing things.
389
00:19:43,649 --> 00:19:46,619
[crowd cheers]
390
00:19:46,719 --> 00:19:47,186
- DDT.
391
00:19:47,253 --> 00:19:47,753
- No.
392
00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:48,788
- Look at that.
393
00:19:48,788 --> 00:19:50,856
- I'm going to teach
you psychology
394
00:19:50,956 --> 00:19:53,659
I'm gonna teach you timing.
395
00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:56,662
Either you're gonna do it right,
or you're not.
396
00:19:57,063 --> 00:19:59,465
- Even with Jake "The Snake"
falling on hard times, the
397
00:19:59,465 --> 00:20:05,404
mastery that Jake "The Snake"
Roberts had for this industry,
398
00:20:05,471 --> 00:20:08,574
was able to be passed into DDP.
399
00:20:08,641 --> 00:20:11,477
- He said, "You'll learn more
sitting on the couch with me,
400
00:20:11,544 --> 00:20:14,113
than you ever will
in the ring with me."
401
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,917
- There was nobody
on his side other than me.
402
00:20:17,983 --> 00:20:19,718
Everybody told him,
"You're too old, you're too old,
403
00:20:19,785 --> 00:20:21,487
you're too old, you're too old."
404
00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:24,223
But they didn't see what I saw.
405
00:20:24,290 --> 00:20:25,758
I seen how hard he worked.
406
00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:27,860
Nobody worked harder than him.
407
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,862
I mean, nobody.
408
00:20:30,162 --> 00:20:32,264
- Come on.
409
00:20:32,264 --> 00:20:33,833
There you go.
410
00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:35,234
- It's the Power Plant.
411
00:20:35,301 --> 00:20:36,769
I'm getting a little bit
farther, a little bit farther,
412
00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:39,672
a little bit farther.
413
00:20:39,672 --> 00:20:44,110
- That's when DDP gets
the call from WCW.
414
00:20:44,176 --> 00:20:49,715
He now has a second chance as
a 35-year-old rookie wrestler.
415
00:20:52,017 --> 00:20:54,887
[DDP's music plays]
416
00:20:54,954 --> 00:20:57,623
- Ladies and gentlemen,
making his way to the ring area,
417
00:20:57,623 --> 00:21:01,594
Diamond Dallas Page.
418
00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:07,800
- At that point, Eric Bischoff
is the Executive Producer.
419
00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:09,635
Well, first of all, Bischoff,
I could see where you would
420
00:21:09,635 --> 00:21:13,439
be totally lost without me,
but I told you for months.
421
00:21:13,506 --> 00:21:16,175
- With Page, you know, I had
been watching this character
422
00:21:16,242 --> 00:21:19,311
struggle to kind of find
his footing.
423
00:21:19,311 --> 00:21:22,815
- He had sunglasses on,
he had girls, he had a mink coat
424
00:21:22,882 --> 00:21:23,849
a cigar in his mouth.
425
00:21:23,916 --> 00:21:27,553
I'm going,
"I don't know what this guy is."
426
00:21:27,620 --> 00:21:30,589
- The audience wasn't
getting with him at all.
427
00:21:30,656 --> 00:21:32,191
- Wooo.
428
00:21:34,293 --> 00:21:37,163
- Look at where DDP
was at that time.
429
00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:38,898
He had already gotten
a crack as a manager.
430
00:21:38,998 --> 00:21:42,334
If it doesn't work this time,
431
00:21:42,401 --> 00:21:46,071
there's simply nothing
left for him.
432
00:21:47,273 --> 00:21:49,008
- And one day I just-- I-I said,
433
00:21:49,074 --> 00:21:51,477
"Page, you gotta lose
the gimmicks, man.
434
00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:54,914
You gotta be you.
Just be you."
435
00:21:54,914 --> 00:21:56,949
- This is a different kind of
Diamond Dallas Page
436
00:21:57,049 --> 00:21:59,952
that we've been seeing coming
out week-after-week.
437
00:22:00,019 --> 00:22:04,390
- That's where fans started
to see there's a human in there.
438
00:22:04,456 --> 00:22:06,625
- It's all about pride.
439
00:22:06,692 --> 00:22:08,727
When Page Joseph Falkinburg
stopped trying to be
440
00:22:08,794 --> 00:22:11,864
Diamond Dallas Page,
and Diamond Dallas Page
441
00:22:11,864 --> 00:22:13,766
started taking on the
characteristics
442
00:22:13,832 --> 00:22:15,467
of Page Joseph Falkinburg--
443
00:22:15,568 --> 00:22:17,036
nobody but nobody
444
00:22:17,102 --> 00:22:21,273
in World Championship Wrestling
has worked harder than I have.
445
00:22:21,273 --> 00:22:23,042
That's when my career
started to take off.
446
00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:26,111
- Diamond Dallas Page is much
better than we've seen him.
447
00:22:26,111 --> 00:22:28,714
- And it's a Diamond Cutter
outta nowhere.
448
00:22:28,781 --> 00:22:29,682
- The Diamond Cutter.
449
00:22:29,748 --> 00:22:30,883
- See ya.
450
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:32,785
- I was getting this over, man.
451
00:22:32,785 --> 00:22:33,686
- Oh, he got the Cutter.
452
00:22:33,752 --> 00:22:34,587
- He just kept getting
better and better
453
00:22:34,587 --> 00:22:36,121
and better and better.
454
00:22:36,188 --> 00:22:38,357
- This guy is electrifying.
455
00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:40,426
- Grand slam dunk.
456
00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:43,195
Somebody stop me.
457
00:22:46,098 --> 00:22:49,368
At this point, I really want
to be a top guy.
458
00:22:49,435 --> 00:22:52,872
And one night,
I see Dusty and I said,
459
00:22:52,938 --> 00:22:56,008
"Uh, you know, Dream,
I know I'm never gonna be you.
460
00:22:56,075 --> 00:22:58,410
I know I'm never gonna be the
World Champion."
461
00:22:58,477 --> 00:23:00,913
He's like, "What the hell are
you doing it for?
462
00:23:00,913 --> 00:23:04,783
Dallas, if you are as hard as
you work, as far as you come,
463
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:06,418
if you don't believe you could
be the World Champion,
464
00:23:06,518 --> 00:23:09,355
you need to get the hell out
of our business right now."
465
00:23:09,421 --> 00:23:11,590
- During that period in the
'90s, my dad was like a mentor
466
00:23:11,657 --> 00:23:13,959
to a lot of different
up-and-coming wrestlers,
467
00:23:14,026 --> 00:23:17,129
but I think Dallas was
probably his number one.
468
00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:20,599
- So I can tell you
exactly what I did.
469
00:23:20,666 --> 00:23:24,603
There's a phone, a ledger pad,
and I wrote on it,
470
00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:29,174
"I will be the World Champion
in five years or less."
471
00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:35,714
[crowd chants "Hogan"]
472
00:23:35,781 --> 00:23:38,751
And then Hulk comes into
the company and one night,
473
00:23:38,817 --> 00:23:41,186
Hulk grabs me,
and he pulls me over.
474
00:23:41,253 --> 00:23:42,788
He says, "How are you doing it?
475
00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:45,824
How are you getting
so much better?"
476
00:23:46,492 --> 00:23:49,928
- Once he got, you know,
his feet wet, he figured it out.
477
00:23:49,995 --> 00:23:52,498
And he pushed so hard.
478
00:23:52,598 --> 00:23:55,034
The people dig him now.
479
00:23:55,634 --> 00:23:57,670
Didn't understand this guy.
480
00:23:57,670 --> 00:23:59,605
Now, I get it.
481
00:23:59,672 --> 00:24:02,841
There's main event potential
there with this guy.
482
00:24:02,908 --> 00:24:04,109
[crowd cheers]
483
00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:05,711
- And he said, "Whatever you're
doing, you need to keep doing
484
00:24:05,711 --> 00:24:10,749
it, 'cause somewhere down
the line, you have the ability
485
00:24:10,749 --> 00:24:13,085
to draw huge money with me."
486
00:24:13,152 --> 00:24:15,020
And he walked away.
487
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:17,323
I was like, "Holy --."
488
00:24:17,389 --> 00:24:21,160
So now it's Jake "The Snake"
Roberts, Dusty Rhodes,
489
00:24:21,226 --> 00:24:25,130
and Hulk Hogan are telling me
I have the ability to,
490
00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:25,230
and Hulk Hogan are telling me
I have the ability to,
491
00:24:26,231 --> 00:24:27,766
at some point, be a top
performer in our business.
492
00:24:29,601 --> 00:24:31,236
That's powerful.
493
00:24:38,544 --> 00:24:42,614
- I collected so much of my
memorabilia over the years.
494
00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:44,350
It's like show and tell.
495
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:47,086
This is when
I'm managing Scott Hall.
496
00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:50,389
Kevin Nash, and Scott,
both of those guys were
497
00:24:50,389 --> 00:24:53,826
so instrumental in my life.
498
00:24:53,826 --> 00:24:56,595
Me helping them,
and them helping me.
499
00:24:58,030 --> 00:25:01,600
- Years before, Scott Hall and
Kevin Nash got their start
500
00:25:01,667 --> 00:25:05,070
in WCW alongside DDP.
501
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:10,876
And once joining Hulk Hogan,
they created the NWO,
502
00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:14,880
one of the biggest acts that pro
wrestling has ever seen.
503
00:25:17,049 --> 00:25:21,587
- By that time, you're watching
Page's career ascend, right?
504
00:25:21,587 --> 00:25:23,355
He's getting
more and more popular.
505
00:25:23,422 --> 00:25:26,358
- He got the Diamond Cutter
and the place explodes.
506
00:25:26,425 --> 00:25:30,195
- But the moment that put him
over the top was when
507
00:25:30,262 --> 00:25:34,967
Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, it was
their idea to bring him in,
508
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,268
be a part of the NWO.
509
00:25:36,368 --> 00:25:43,375
- You, my friend,
can be NWO for life.
510
00:25:43,876 --> 00:25:48,313
- The bookers really didn't see
me as that top guy,
511
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:51,350
but Kevin and Scott,
they're the ones who
512
00:25:51,450 --> 00:25:53,986
fought for-for it for me.
513
00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:55,721
[crowd cheers]
514
00:25:55,788 --> 00:25:57,423
- The welcome wagon,
if you will.
515
00:25:57,523 --> 00:25:59,024
[chuckles]
516
00:25:59,091 --> 00:26:03,395
- Going out to officially
welcome DDP aboard.
517
00:26:03,462 --> 00:26:06,565
- I put the shirt on,
Scottie high-fived me
518
00:26:06,632 --> 00:26:08,367
and as he pulls away.
519
00:26:08,434 --> 00:26:09,468
Bang.
520
00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:10,235
[crowd cheers]
521
00:26:10,235 --> 00:26:11,036
- Hey.
522
00:26:11,036 --> 00:26:11,737
- Whoa.
523
00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:12,638
- No.
524
00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:14,173
- No, no, I can't believe
what I'm seeing.
525
00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:16,909
- He got to Scott and I turned
around, and I go through
526
00:26:17,009 --> 00:26:19,111
the table that was on the floor.
527
00:26:19,178 --> 00:26:20,913
- This man is out of his mind.
528
00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:24,116
[crowd cheers]
529
00:26:24,116 --> 00:26:29,354
- He walks with the crowd,
and a star is born.
530
00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:32,124
[crowd cheers]
531
00:26:32,191 --> 00:26:34,426
- And the audience was telling
me loud and clear,
532
00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:36,829
this guy's a main eventer.
533
00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:39,598
- It felt really good 'cause it
was kind of our idea,
534
00:26:40,065 --> 00:26:41,400
and he's my buddy.
535
00:26:41,467 --> 00:26:43,235
And it felt like,
wow, full circle.
536
00:26:43,302 --> 00:26:44,069
Like wow, man.
537
00:26:44,169 --> 00:26:44,970
Remember when you helped me?
538
00:26:45,037 --> 00:26:46,638
I never forgot that.
539
00:26:46,705 --> 00:26:48,440
And it worked.
540
00:26:48,507 --> 00:26:51,310
- That made Diamond Dallas Page.
541
00:26:52,144 --> 00:26:55,681
That was like,
"Okay, you're in."
542
00:26:56,281 --> 00:26:59,751
- At that time,
I knew he made it.
543
00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:01,353
I knew he made it.
544
00:27:04,122 --> 00:27:07,025
- And then his peers, guys in
the locker room, were all of a
545
00:27:07,092 --> 00:27:09,027
sudden now coming to him and
going, yeah, Randy Savage.
546
00:27:09,027 --> 00:27:13,298
"Hey, brother, got an idea.
547
00:27:13,398 --> 00:27:16,735
Me and Page,
think it could be good."
548
00:27:16,802 --> 00:27:18,170
"Okay, Randy."
549
00:27:18,237 --> 00:27:20,205
- Underdog that he might be.
550
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:24,643
He has became
a major player at WCW.
551
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:26,879
[crowd cheers]
552
00:27:26,945 --> 00:27:30,315
- And then one day, I was at
an autograph signing in Houston.
553
00:27:30,382 --> 00:27:32,417
So I went to see the Rockets
play that night,
554
00:27:32,518 --> 00:27:35,587
and they were playing the Jazz.
555
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:41,927
Karl Malone, the third leading
scorer of all time.
556
00:27:42,594 --> 00:27:44,263
He throws the Diamond Cutter
557
00:27:44,363 --> 00:27:45,664
[chuckles]
558
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:48,500
sign out to me, and then he
sent us VIP passes,
559
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,036
we went backstage.
560
00:27:51,036 --> 00:27:54,273
- As a little kid, there was no
other kid in the neighborhood
561
00:27:54,273 --> 00:27:57,309
that loved wrestling
more than me.
562
00:27:57,409 --> 00:27:59,845
So I was nervous as hell.
563
00:27:59,912 --> 00:28:01,680
Hell, yeah, you get awestruck.
564
00:28:01,747 --> 00:28:03,549
Are you- are you kidding me?
565
00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:04,683
- And Page called me and said,
566
00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,385
"Hey, you know what do
you think about Karl Malone?
567
00:28:06,451 --> 00:28:08,120
We've already been working
with Dennis Rodman.
568
00:28:08,186 --> 00:28:09,521
What do you think
about Karl Malone?"
569
00:28:09,588 --> 00:28:10,355
I was, "What-what are you?
570
00:28:10,422 --> 00:28:11,190
Crazy?
571
00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:12,024
Of course.
572
00:28:12,090 --> 00:28:13,025
But how's that gonna happen?"
573
00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:14,159
He goes,
"He's sitting right next to me.
574
00:28:14,226 --> 00:28:14,993
You wanna talk to him?"
575
00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:16,261
[chuckles]
576
00:28:16,361 --> 00:28:18,897
- Eric Bischoff, he just shot
a number out there.
577
00:28:18,997 --> 00:28:20,032
Hell, I took it.
578
00:28:20,098 --> 00:28:21,466
I-I didn't negotiate.
579
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,403
I just-- I wanna do it.
580
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:26,572
Hey, I started laughing
when he left, like,
581
00:28:26,638 --> 00:28:28,307
" --, I would've done
this for free."
582
00:28:30,475 --> 00:28:36,114
Dallas, the very first training
we had, we connected.
583
00:28:36,882 --> 00:28:40,586
I'm an old cowboy from the
south, and you know, as they
584
00:28:40,652 --> 00:28:45,324
say, when-when-when-
that's a good egg, so to speak.
585
00:28:46,024 --> 00:28:49,428
We would go to restaurants and
it could be a homeless person.
586
00:28:49,428 --> 00:28:51,430
He'd give him a hug.
587
00:28:51,496 --> 00:28:53,465
You'd see him put
something in their hand.
588
00:28:53,465 --> 00:28:57,135
Just the-the heart.
589
00:28:57,202 --> 00:29:00,806
If he needed me today,
I would stop everything
590
00:29:00,872 --> 00:29:04,276
I'm doing in my power,
and I'd go wherever he at.
591
00:29:04,343 --> 00:29:06,645
If he need me.
592
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:10,148
- It's summer of 1998.
593
00:29:10,248 --> 00:29:14,086
DDP and Malone against
Hogan and Rodman.
594
00:29:14,152 --> 00:29:17,923
And you gotta understand this,
this is just after the NBA
595
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:22,427
Finals, where you have Malone
and Rodman going at each other.
596
00:29:22,494 --> 00:29:25,264
So this had the potential
to be huge.
597
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,398
- I'm going to call him out.
598
00:29:26,465 --> 00:29:27,866
going to win in the court,
brother.
599
00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:28,900
- Yeah.
600
00:29:28,967 --> 00:29:32,504
- We shoot the angle,
not on the wrestling show,
601
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:35,207
on the world stage,
The Tonight Show.
602
00:29:35,274 --> 00:29:36,508
[crowd cheers]
603
00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:37,376
- Hello.
604
00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:39,344
Hang on.
605
00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:44,249
- That next day,
paparazzi insanity.
606
00:29:44,316 --> 00:29:45,517
- Left.
607
00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:48,120
- I'll bet you, there was 70
cameras from all over the world.
608
00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:49,955
- And over here, guys.
609
00:29:50,922 --> 00:29:52,424
[crowd cheers]
610
00:29:52,491 --> 00:29:58,063
- The whole magnitude
of what we was doing,
611
00:29:58,163 --> 00:29:59,665
that's all people wanted to see.
612
00:29:59,665 --> 00:30:02,834
- Four of the most recognizable
faces in the sports world
613
00:30:02,901 --> 00:30:06,872
are center stage for one of the
most anticipated battles ever.
614
00:30:07,673 --> 00:30:09,975
- Dallas would say thanks to me-
615
00:30:10,042 --> 00:30:14,112
- Here's a desperation tag,
and here comes Page.
616
00:30:14,713 --> 00:30:17,115
- -"You're bringing light
to our profession."
617
00:30:17,115 --> 00:30:18,283
[crowd cheers]
618
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:20,118
- It's the fourth quarter, and
the Mailman's got the ball.
619
00:30:20,185 --> 00:30:21,787
[crowd cheers]
620
00:30:21,853 --> 00:30:22,888
- And I'm saying,
621
00:30:22,954 --> 00:30:26,925
"No. What y'all did for me
is what's amazing."
622
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:30,462
[crowd cheers]
623
00:30:30,562 --> 00:30:35,967
The funnest -- ever,
624
00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:41,673
DDP, he brought me
along for the ride.
625
00:30:41,673 --> 00:30:45,444
He brought this little snotty
nose kid from North Louisiana
626
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:47,245
on the ride of a lifetime.
627
00:30:47,312 --> 00:30:50,315
[crowd cheers]
628
00:30:50,315 --> 00:30:53,919
- Now, he was teaming
on giant pay-per-view events
629
00:30:53,985 --> 00:30:56,955
with celebrities like Jay Leno,
630
00:30:57,656 --> 00:30:59,791
becoming a household name.
631
00:31:01,226 --> 00:31:03,228
- To think where I was even two
years earlier,
632
00:31:03,228 --> 00:31:07,699
to where I was at this point,
633
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:08,300
humbling-
634
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:09,134
[laughs]
635
00:31:09,201 --> 00:31:11,169
-mind-blowing.
636
00:31:11,236 --> 00:31:13,305
I knew it was
gonna change my life,
637
00:31:13,405 --> 00:31:17,275
but I didn't think it was
gonna change up like that.
638
00:31:17,275 --> 00:31:19,277
It was like being one of the
Beatles for a while there.
639
00:31:19,344 --> 00:31:20,946
It was really crazy.
640
00:31:22,347 --> 00:31:25,050
- It was an amazingly
exciting time,
641
00:31:25,117 --> 00:31:27,786
but it was also a
really stressful time too.
642
00:31:29,755 --> 00:31:33,658
- He got really exhausted
burning the candle at both ends.
643
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:38,430
- Between The Tonight Show,
Kilborn, uh, Hollywood Squares,
644
00:31:38,497 --> 00:31:41,900
filming movies when you're
riding that tsunami,
645
00:31:41,967 --> 00:31:44,202
you gotta ride the tsunami.
646
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:50,575
I was so burned out,
and my body was pretty beat up
647
00:31:50,642 --> 00:31:53,245
'cause I was running so hard.
648
00:31:53,879 --> 00:31:57,682
The abuse had just blew
my back out,
649
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:02,420
and that's when I ruptured
my L4 and L5 vertebrae.
650
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:04,122
Went to three different doctors,
651
00:32:05,424 --> 00:32:06,725
they said my career was over.
652
00:32:12,297 --> 00:32:13,465
- DDP.
653
00:32:13,532 --> 00:32:16,168
- When I blew my back out,
went to three different doctors
654
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:18,170
they all said I was done.
655
00:32:18,236 --> 00:32:20,372
Woo.
656
00:32:20,438 --> 00:32:24,276
But again, this was a thing that
happened as a kid that really
657
00:32:24,276 --> 00:32:25,210
stuck with me-
658
00:32:25,277 --> 00:32:25,911
[chuckles]
659
00:32:26,011 --> 00:32:27,212
-man.
660
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:31,416
Like-like I'm gonna figure out
whatever it takes to be able to
661
00:32:31,483 --> 00:32:35,387
continue to live whatever dream,
I'm working towards.
662
00:32:35,454 --> 00:32:38,890
But more than anything,
you can't give up.
663
00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:40,826
How do I fix this?
664
00:32:40,892 --> 00:32:43,395
Around that time Kimberly says,
665
00:32:43,462 --> 00:32:45,730
"Why don't you try yoga
to heal your body?"
666
00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:46,464
[chuckles]
667
00:32:46,531 --> 00:32:49,267
I was like, " -- that."
668
00:32:50,902 --> 00:32:54,673
- I had started doing yoga,
and I would often invite Dallas
669
00:32:54,673 --> 00:32:56,474
to work out with me.
670
00:32:56,541 --> 00:32:58,210
He wouldn't even come
downstairs to try it.
671
00:32:58,276 --> 00:33:00,879
He was like, "Nah, that's for-
that's for chicks."
672
00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:04,115
- But she kind of
bullied me into it.
673
00:33:04,182 --> 00:33:04,916
- Whoa.
674
00:33:04,916 --> 00:33:05,750
[chuckles]
675
00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,919
- And he did one class with me.
676
00:33:07,986 --> 00:33:13,792
From that one first workout,
he became a yogi.
677
00:33:13,859 --> 00:33:16,428
- I started to feel a
significant difference,
678
00:33:16,428 --> 00:33:18,563
and that's how I got back
in the ring.
679
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:20,031
[crowd cheers]
680
00:33:20,098 --> 00:33:22,234
- Well, Diamond Dallas Page is
one of those wrestlers that you
681
00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:25,937
just can't keep down,
no matter what the condition,
682
00:33:26,004 --> 00:33:29,040
DDP is ready to go.
683
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:33,178
- Diamond Dallas Page
a-a-ascended to levels that
684
00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:37,616
I think even he would
think unbelievable.
685
00:33:37,682 --> 00:33:41,753
But even with all this success,
Diamond Dallas Page
686
00:33:41,820 --> 00:33:44,923
had never been World Champion.
687
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:46,191
[crowd cheers]
688
00:33:46,258 --> 00:33:49,528
- Ladies and gentlemen,
this is Spring Stampede's
689
00:33:49,594 --> 00:33:53,798
main event of the evening,
a four corners match for
690
00:33:53,865 --> 00:33:57,536
the WCW World
Heavyweight Championship.
691
00:33:57,602 --> 00:33:59,838
- One of these four men
will emerge as the
692
00:33:59,905 --> 00:34:01,006
World Champion tonight.
693
00:34:01,072 --> 00:34:02,474
[crowd cheers]
694
00:34:02,474 --> 00:34:07,312
- I told Dusty four years, four
months, and 14 days earlier,
695
00:34:07,312 --> 00:34:10,148
that I know I'm never gonna
be you or Rick or Hulk.
696
00:34:10,248 --> 00:34:13,251
Yet that night, I step in the
ring in a four-way dance
697
00:34:13,318 --> 00:34:16,788
with Rick, with Hulk.
698
00:34:16,855 --> 00:34:18,490
- You given it up or not?
699
00:34:18,556 --> 00:34:19,391
- Oh, God.
700
00:34:19,457 --> 00:34:20,592
Help.
701
00:34:20,659 --> 00:34:22,327
- That goal that he strived
for, the goal that everybody
702
00:34:22,394 --> 00:34:23,762
told him he would never achieve,
703
00:34:23,828 --> 00:34:25,864
nobody but him
believed could happen.
704
00:34:25,964 --> 00:34:29,734
- There it is,
Diamond Cutter by Page.
705
00:34:29,801 --> 00:34:32,237
1, 2, 3.
706
00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:32,804
[crowd cheers]
707
00:34:32,871 --> 00:34:33,772
- Oh.
708
00:34:33,838 --> 00:34:34,873
We got a new World Champion,
guys.
709
00:34:34,873 --> 00:34:35,473
[bell ringing]
710
00:34:35,540 --> 00:34:36,441
- It's history.
711
00:34:36,508 --> 00:34:39,177
Diamond Dallas Page is the
712
00:34:39,244 --> 00:34:41,680
Heavyweight Champion
of the world.
713
00:34:43,715 --> 00:34:47,352
- That was Dusty saying to me,
714
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,259
[sigh]
715
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:58,229
"The guy who believed in himself
716
00:34:58,229 --> 00:35:03,568
more than anybody," 'cause he
knew that I believed in myself.
717
00:35:03,635 --> 00:35:07,505
But it doesn't happen
when you want it to,
718
00:35:07,606 --> 00:35:15,113
you've gotta put the work in,
and you gotta be relentless.
719
00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:19,718
- A man who knows what it means
to be a champion, to work hard.
720
00:35:19,784 --> 00:35:24,356
The people love Diamond Dallas
Page, and they should.
721
00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:30,362
- In the '90s,
WCW became the biggest wrestling
722
00:35:30,428 --> 00:35:32,630
promotion in the country.
723
00:35:32,697 --> 00:35:36,668
[crowd cheers]
724
00:35:36,768 --> 00:35:39,671
- So if you wanna talk
about the significance of one
725
00:35:39,771 --> 00:35:45,377
individual, truth is,
Page was right there,
726
00:35:45,443 --> 00:35:47,912
smack in the middle of it all.
727
00:35:48,947 --> 00:35:52,350
- He was a guy that stepped up,
and became an attraction for us.
728
00:35:52,350 --> 00:35:53,418
[crowd cheers]
729
00:35:53,518 --> 00:35:56,021
- You will feel the--
730
00:35:56,121 --> 00:35:59,491
[crowd yells "Pain"]
731
00:35:59,557 --> 00:36:02,260
- And the good part was, he was
right, and all the naysayers
732
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,363
were wrong, which was just
so cool at the end of the day.
733
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:08,833
[crowd cheers]
734
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:11,970
- But it's where I said,
"Okay. I'm done."
735
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:19,911
You know, I was good with it
because I had something else,
736
00:36:20,011 --> 00:36:22,313
and it's going dwarf
my wrestling career.
737
00:36:28,787 --> 00:36:33,425
- We had moved to Los Angeles
from Atlanta, because I wanted
738
00:36:33,525 --> 00:36:36,828
to pursue some other interests,
I wanted to work on some acting
739
00:36:36,895 --> 00:36:38,596
and-and get in that pond.
740
00:36:39,497 --> 00:36:43,768
While we were in LA,
we just started growing apart.
741
00:36:45,437 --> 00:36:47,706
So it was kind of
a warning indicator
742
00:36:47,806 --> 00:36:50,842
that we needed to break up.
743
00:36:53,078 --> 00:36:56,514
But the love stayed.
744
00:36:56,514 --> 00:36:59,918
He's still, in many ways,
my best friend.
745
00:36:59,984 --> 00:37:05,190
And at the time, he knew what
his next path was going to be.
746
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:09,194
It was going to be to invent
this new system of yoga-
747
00:37:09,260 --> 00:37:13,264
Put your fist and
make some noise.
748
00:37:13,364 --> 00:37:16,434
- and introduce it to a whole
new population, who normally
749
00:37:16,434 --> 00:37:19,738
wouldn't do yoga,
and change people's lives.
750
00:37:20,305 --> 00:37:22,874
- Life is not about how many
times you get knocked down,
751
00:37:22,874 --> 00:37:27,245
it's how many times you get back
up again, and that's what
752
00:37:27,312 --> 00:37:31,449
DDP Yoga is all about, and just,
you know helping people.
753
00:37:36,754 --> 00:37:42,026
In 2011, now, I tried to help
Jake many times,
754
00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:44,629
but he wasn't ready to hear,
especially,
755
00:37:44,696 --> 00:37:47,232
when you're dealing
with addiction.
756
00:37:47,298 --> 00:37:48,633
- Comfy or not
757
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,802
- I was doing cocaine
every day,
758
00:37:50,869 --> 00:37:52,837
and not just
a little bit either.
759
00:37:55,206 --> 00:37:59,444
- I couldn't believe
how bad he was.
760
00:38:01,346 --> 00:38:05,283
I said, "I don't think I will
ever be able to have a real
761
00:38:05,350 --> 00:38:09,487
conversation
with my brother again."
762
00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:11,556
- I was near death.
763
00:38:13,158 --> 00:38:15,226
I wanted to die.
764
00:38:15,226 --> 00:38:20,331
I actually wanted it, and he
threw out a life rope to me,
765
00:38:20,398 --> 00:38:23,368
man, and offered to move me in
with him, and you know,
766
00:38:23,434 --> 00:38:25,436
have me working out every day.
767
00:38:25,503 --> 00:38:26,838
- I'm right here.
I'm right here.
768
00:38:26,838 --> 00:38:27,806
I'm right here.
769
00:38:27,872 --> 00:38:28,973
- [grunting]
770
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,443
- When people ask me,
"Why would you do that?"
771
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:36,347
We don't live in this house
without him, that's why.
772
00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:39,250
- I'm just -- frustrated, man.
773
00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:40,685
-- pissed off.
774
00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:42,787
- It was a long ride.
775
00:38:42,854 --> 00:38:43,788
- I know, I know.
776
00:38:43,855 --> 00:38:46,157
It-it-it's is a vicious --
cycle, man.
777
00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:49,160
I -- up, then I want to get
better then,
778
00:38:49,227 --> 00:38:51,629
it's 2 o'clock clock,
it's time to start again.
779
00:38:51,696 --> 00:38:52,530
- Okay.
780
00:38:52,597 --> 00:38:54,465
So what do you really want?
781
00:38:54,566 --> 00:38:55,366
- I wanna be free.
782
00:38:55,433 --> 00:38:56,067
- Okay.
783
00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:58,336
Well, it takes work.
784
00:38:58,403 --> 00:39:01,439
- Deep breath, exhale forward.
785
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,642
- Three years it took
to get me sober.
786
00:39:04,709 --> 00:39:07,812
8, 7, 6, 5.
787
00:39:07,879 --> 00:39:11,216
Then, I finally found out
what happiness is,
788
00:39:11,282 --> 00:39:12,450
true happiness.
789
00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:13,885
- Ahh.
790
00:39:13,952 --> 00:39:15,787
[laughs]
791
00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:21,659
- Make no mistake, DDP saved
Jake Roberts, saved his life,
792
00:39:21,759 --> 00:39:24,629
and then he went ahead and
helped Scott Hall as well
793
00:39:24,629 --> 00:39:29,000
with his addictions,
that also helped save his life.
794
00:39:29,067 --> 00:39:29,968
- Awesome.
795
00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:30,835
That's farther back
than you've been, dude.
796
00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:32,537
That's way back.
797
00:39:32,604 --> 00:39:35,640
- All the things he's doing with
wrestlers, who others have said,
798
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:37,976
"No, I'm done.
I'm done with them."
799
00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:39,677
Dallas is never done.
800
00:39:39,677 --> 00:39:41,713
- That's one here, three.
801
00:39:41,713 --> 00:39:42,714
- That's just his passion.
802
00:39:42,780 --> 00:39:45,450
That's his--
That's what makes him tick.
803
00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:48,753
He loves helping people,
and he wants his friends
804
00:39:48,820 --> 00:39:50,788
to experience that.
805
00:39:51,656 --> 00:39:53,892
And that's really
who he's always been.
806
00:39:53,958 --> 00:39:55,026
- Yes.
807
00:39:55,026 --> 00:40:00,198
- Jake and Scott both get sober
in the same house,
808
00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:07,205
and then they both in the same
year, go in the Hall of Fame.
809
00:40:09,007 --> 00:40:09,874
It really--
810
00:40:09,874 --> 00:40:10,975
[chuckles]
811
00:40:11,042 --> 00:40:15,880
It made me so happy
that I felt like I was going in.
812
00:40:24,155 --> 00:40:25,556
- DDP has one
of the biggest hearts
813
00:40:25,623 --> 00:40:27,358
of anybody I've ever known.
814
00:40:27,425 --> 00:40:29,928
He will give you
the shirt off his back.
815
00:40:30,461 --> 00:40:34,165
I see him doing such amazing
things for other people,
816
00:40:34,232 --> 00:40:36,668
and I think what we're seeing is
just a manifestation of a really
817
00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:43,107
really good heart, and a good
soul that keeps on giving.
818
00:40:45,043 --> 00:40:51,049
- Dallas' early life experience
would suggest a man,
819
00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:57,622
who's selfish and bitter,
and he's the opposite.
820
00:40:59,123 --> 00:41:02,794
- Diamond Dallas Page's legacy
is that he is a guy who refused
821
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:06,030
to sit on his couch and say,
"Could have, would have,
822
00:41:06,097 --> 00:41:09,100
should have,"
and went out there and did it.
823
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,470
He is an inspiration
to every overachiever
824
00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:14,038
that has come along since then.
825
00:41:15,473 --> 00:41:18,676
Now, he's just trying
to do the same thing.
826
00:41:18,676 --> 00:41:21,045
He's a guy
that's transformed lives.
827
00:41:21,112 --> 00:41:24,048
I'll go as far as to say,
he's saved lives.
828
00:41:24,115 --> 00:41:25,750
He's the real deal.
829
00:41:25,883 --> 00:41:29,787
[applause]
830
00:41:29,787 --> 00:41:32,023
- A lot of these people are
transformations,
831
00:41:32,123 --> 00:41:36,027
or on their way to transforming
not just changing their life,
832
00:41:36,027 --> 00:41:37,362
but owning their lives.
833
00:41:37,428 --> 00:41:38,262
- You got it?
834
00:41:38,363 --> 00:41:38,963
- I got it.
835
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:39,530
- You got it?
836
00:41:39,597 --> 00:41:40,164
- I got it.
837
00:41:40,231 --> 00:41:40,932
- Give it to me, bro.
838
00:41:40,998 --> 00:41:41,466
Come on.
839
00:41:41,532 --> 00:41:42,100
Just five.
840
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:43,167
Just five.
841
00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:45,970
- He helps people
that are broke.
842
00:41:46,037 --> 00:41:47,805
He helps people
that are addicted.
843
00:41:49,741 --> 00:41:51,376
He's out here beating
the bushes, man,
844
00:41:51,442 --> 00:41:53,411
trying to help people.
845
00:41:55,713 --> 00:41:59,717
- You know, I'm just doing what
comes natural to me today.
846
00:42:01,586 --> 00:42:05,556
That's why when people say,
"How do you stay so positive?"
847
00:42:05,623 --> 00:42:09,460
Because I'm happy, I'm remarried
to my beautiful wife, Page,
848
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,530
who's supportive in everything
that I do today,
849
00:42:12,597 --> 00:42:15,400
and I help a lot of people.
850
00:42:16,901 --> 00:42:21,038
You can get whatever you want,
as long as you help enough
851
00:42:21,105 --> 00:42:24,175
people get what they want.
852
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:30,648
That's a truest statement I've
ever heard, and I live by it.
853
00:42:30,698 --> 00:42:35,248
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