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Despite battling numerous civil suits
from victims following his release from
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jail,
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Jeffrey Epstein manages to fade from
public view until a series of events in
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2017 plunges him back into the
spotlight.
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The nominee for Secretary of the
Department of Labor will be Mr. Alex
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Acosta's appointment piques the interest
of an investigative reporter from the
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Miami Herald.
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Julie had been a champion in reporting
on women's
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issues, and she was definitely aware of
Jeffrey Epstein and the sweetheart deal
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that Acosta had signed off on in Florida
back in 2007.
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You've got to put this in perspective
with respect to the time. So you're
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looking at 2007.
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This was a time and age where the Me Too
movement didn't exist.
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You know, Bill Cosby was still America's
dad.
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Harvey Weinstein was still a wonderful
producer in Hollywood.
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Outraged by the NPA and empowered by the
recent Me Too movement, Julie Brown
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embarks on her own investigation of
Epstein's sex trafficking charges.
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She got the entire unredacted Palm Beach
Police Department file on Jeffrey
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Epstein. She also got statements from
the witnesses that no one had ever seen
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before because they'd been under court
seal.
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Yeah, I had been just curious about
where are these girls now and what do
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think about this deal? I mean, and how
did this affect their lives?
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Brown tracked down over 60 victims.
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including many who had interviewed with
Palm Beach police earlier.
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About five minutes into it, he took the
towel off and started pleasing himself,
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which I was very uncomfortable with, and
I thought I was going to die.
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Brown compiles her research into a
comprehensive three -part series for the
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Miami Herald in November 2018.
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It's an explosive investigative series
by the Miami Herald. The title is
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Perversion of Justice.
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While the 2007 Palm Beach investigation
really, for the most part, flew under
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the radar of the national press, Julie's
reporting on Epstein's crimes and then
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that subsequent sweetheart deal, well,
that ignited a powder keg in 2018.
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The attention prompts the FBI to reopen
its investigation, compile evidence and
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witness testimony, and this time, act.
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July 6, 2019, Jeffrey Epstein takes off
around 9 o 'clock in the morning from
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Paris and lands in Cedarboro, New
Jersey, around 4 .30 to 5 o 'clock.
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It's at that point that his life
changes.
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An NYPD -FBI joint task force has a
clandestine operation set
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up at the airport by surprise.
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He was arrested the moment he landed.
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for solicitation of child sex
trafficking and conspiracy to
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commit child sex trafficking.
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United States Attorney Jeffrey Berman
announced the indictment against Jeffrey
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Epstein, the politically connected
financier now facing up to 45 years in
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on child sex trafficking charges.
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Jeffrey Epstein was taken to the federal
prison in New York City.
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the Metropolitan Correctional Center.
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It's cold, there's vermin, there's
understaffing issues, there's equipment
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issues. I'm pretty sure the bathroom in
his airplane was larger than the cell he
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was occupying.
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The whole situation was surreal to him,
to be locked up in a place like this.
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He'd never been exposed to something
like this before.
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News of Epstein's arrest ramps up
scrutiny on the financier's many
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friends.
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After Epstein's arrest in 2019, Bill
Gates said publicly that he had no
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or personal relationship with Epstein.
However, it has been reported that Gates
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was seen at Epstein's Manhattan
townhouse several times in those final
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Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane
several times.
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And Ghislaine Maxwell in 2010 at
Chelsea's wedding.
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And so there's quite a relationship
there.
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But a spokesperson for Bill Clinton said
that the former president has not even
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spoken to Jeffrey Epstein in well over a
decade.
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Now lots of reporters are digging in,
and pretty soon a scandalous 1992 video
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from a party at Mar -a -Lago surfaces.
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Trump alternates between dancing and
pointing out women to Epstein. Trump
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gestures to one and appears to say to
Epstein, look at her back there. She's
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hot.
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In the video, it is crystal clear. You
can see Jeffrey Epstein right up next to
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Donald Trump. And the two of them
together are gawking and groping young
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And frankly, it's appalling.
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Donald Trump gets peppered with
questions about Jeffrey Epstein and he
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distances himself from Epstein.
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I haven't spoken to him in probably 15
years or more. I wasn't a big fan of
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Jeffrey Epstein, that I can tell you.
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This is a far cry from Donald Trump's
statement in 2002 praising Jeffrey
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as a terrific guy.
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The reality was that Jeffrey Epstein and
Donald Trump were close for a number of
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years.
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But the heat wasn't just on Donald
Trump.
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It was also on his newly minted
Secretary of Labor, Alexander Acosta.
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Acosta, the architect of that 2007
sweetheart deal in Florida.
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Acosta hands in his resignation only a
few days after Epstein is arrested.
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It would be selfish for me to stay in
this position and continue talking about
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case that's 12 years old.
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rather than about the amazing economy we
have right now. President Trump saying
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today he still supports Acosta.
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I'm with him.
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He's a tremendous talent.
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He's a Hispanic man.
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He went to Harvard.
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It was a pretty flip way to refer to the
abuse of dozens of girls,
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right? Calling it a case that's 12 years
old.
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And the fact that neither of them
actually expressed any sympathy.
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For these girls, these kids, it just
seemed really unsettling.
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Jeffrey Epstein had asked me to formally
take over the case.
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I said to him that I would do it because
I wanted to help him on the case, and
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he was very upbeat and excited about the
strategies that we had discussed.
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He was looking forward to fighting his
case.
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Epstein was an arrogant man. He felt
that he was not only above the law in
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way, he believed that he was smarter
than most other people.
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He believed he could buy everything and
everyone.
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Will he give up the names of the
powerful men he allegedly serviced with
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underage girls?
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One of the options that's going to be
potentially available to him is
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cooperation.
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One would have to imagine that a lot of
Epstein's powerful friends were swarming
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at this point. They had to wonder, would
Epstein give up their secrets to save
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himself?
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The 66 -year -old multimillionaire hedge
fund manager, Jeffrey Epstein, was
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found unresponsive in his cell Saturday
morning.
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Jeffrey Epstein's death.
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It is all over every television network
that you can imagine.
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One source tells CBS News Epstein hanged
himself.
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I was shocked.
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Suicide didn't seem likely to me. He was
planning to fight the case, clear his
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name. I knew there would be a medical
examination immediately.
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So I suggested that the family send in
an independent medical examiner. I've
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done this before.
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I suggested Michael Bodden. I think he's
one of the best in the world.
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My name is Cyril H. Weck.
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I am a forensic pathologist. I have been
studying the Epstein case since I was
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first contacted by my colleague, Dr.
Michael Bodden.
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Dr. Barton has a wealth of experience,
including cases involving hangings in
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jails.
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He attended the autopsy as the official
representative of the Epstein family.
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Six days later, the state medical
examiner releases the autopsy results.
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The chief medical examiner ruled the
manner of death as suicide.
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I think that people have...
understandable suspicions given the
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Jeffrey Epstein.
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Dr. Michael Bodden goes public with his
own conclusion.
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Well, I was asked by the brother, the
next of kin, to be at the autopsy. And
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the autopsy on day one, there were
findings that were unusual for suicidal
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hanging. Several aspects of Epstein's
death are troubling to the renowned
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pathologist. beginning with what was
found inside Epstein's prison cell.
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If you look at the photographs, the
postmortems of his jail cell, and you
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at how many bedsheets were inside that
cell, he's given tens of bedsheets.
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He's also got a sleep apnea machine with
long electrical cords attached.
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Now remember, this is a man who they
thought had attempted suicide just weeks
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earlier.
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How in the world, if you have someone on
suicide watch, would you allow those
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kinds of physical structures to be
present in the cell? How do you think
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hang themselves?
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So this is bothersome.
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Examining Epstein's neck abrasion during
the autopsy, Bodden notices more
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peculiarities. The mark around the neck
of a person who has been strangled or
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who has hanged himself is what we call a
furrow.
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Usually in hangings, the furrow mark is
found up high in the neck, sort of right
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under the jawline. Because if you think
about it, the noose slides up the neck
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as the weight of the body is pulled
down.
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It is important to see and note the
furrow is significantly lower on
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neck, which is quite rare in cases of a
hanging.
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In order for Jeffrey Epstein to die the
way he died, under the autopsy results,
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he had to put the noose around his neck
himself and had to hold the noose down
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to near his chest.
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Low furrow marks like Epstein's are more
commonly found in strangulation
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homicides.
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More doubt about a suicide emerges when
Bodden looks under the skin.
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There are multiple, three fractures in
the hyoid bone, the thyroid cartilage,
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that are very unusual for suicide and
more indicative of strangulation,
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homicidal strangulation.
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The hyoid bone is a relatively delicate,
small, U -shaped bone, high up in the
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neck, and the thyroid cartilage, the
Adam's apple, that's below, lower down.
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there were three fractures, one of the
hyoid bone, up high on the left side,
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then two more fractures of the thyroid
cartilage, one on each side.
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Have you ever seen anyone that committed
suicide and was hanging themselves with
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those three broken bones? No.
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Hanging does not cause these broken
bones, and homicide does.
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You don't get hyoid bone fractures in
cases.
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of hanging their rear.
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Dr. Bodden eventually said to me that in
over 20 ,000 autopsies, he had never
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seen injuries like this consistent with
a suicide and therefore did not believe
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it was a suicide.
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He believed this was manual
strangulation, homicide.
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Once Bodden went public with his
conclusion that this was murder, it
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Like a tsunami was unleashed. There were
conspiracy theories and memes about it
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exploding all over the Internet.
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And as you can imagine, in our political
climate these days, everyone's theory
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had sort of a tone of accusing one
political party or another.
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The big question is this.
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Who would most benefit from Epstein's
demise?
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A lot of people were probably happy that
he's dead.
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Dead men tell no tales.
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Jeffrey Epstein's death is raising
troubling questions about how such a
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-profile suspect could apparently take
his own life while in custody. But it's
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also raising some conspiracy theories.
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If it was murder, many suspect shadowy
forces in the U .S. government.
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All Jeffrey's troubles second time
around began when Trump appointed Acosta
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the cabinet because the U .S. Attorney
for the Southern District of New York
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started investigating for that non
-prosecution agreement given to Jeffrey
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Epstein.
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There was a peculiar aspect to the
Epstein arrest at Teterboro that was
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reported. He was not arrested by agents
of the FBI with the Child Exploitation
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Unit. It was agents from the government
corruption unit that handcuffed him.
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So that suggested to me that there was a
political angle to this thing. And
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there has been a great deal of talk
about the prominent political friends
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Jeffrey Epstein had and other wealthy
friends.
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So was this arrest really about going
after Jeffrey's crime?
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Or was this arrest more about going
after potential corruption?
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and government officials who helped him
weasel out of those crimes.
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I believe that Epstein was killed.
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And I believe that if he was not, he
would have talked.
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And he would have pointed fingers at
everyone he needed to point fingers,
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including government officials, who
looked the other way.
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Others, however, wonder if some of the
elites Epstein associated with wanted to
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silence him.
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due to information he might have on
them.
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We know that he had numerous visitors to
his homes.
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There are accounts of young girls that
worked within the home that saw the
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cameras, that saw the recording systems,
that he bragged to those girls about
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the recording systems.
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Many people also wonder if Epstein's
private jet called the Lolita Express
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used as part of a blackmail scheme.
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The flight logs that we looked at,
proved that Jeffrey Epstein was flying
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underage girls.
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In 1997, Glenn says to me, the plane is
wired for video and audio.
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She volunteers this information.
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Why does she say this to me?
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One thing that I know for sure is that
if you're filming your friends and they
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don't know about it, you're not their
friend.
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If any of that surveillance got out, it
would be incredibly embarrassing.
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There are many powerful people whose
secrets might have died with Epstein.
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But one notorious friendship steals the
world's attention even before Epstein's
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death.
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According to Virginia Roberts, she was
paid $15 ,000 to service Prince
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Andrew. And she services Prince Andrew
three times in three different cities,
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New York, London, and then the United
States, Virgin Islands.
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Once the press heard about Virginia's
allegations against Prince Andrew, they
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went nuts.
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Everyone wondered, was there more
incriminating evidence about the prince
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to drop?
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The speculations about Jeffrey Epstein's
friendship with Prince Andrew is
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increasingly condemnatory.
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The royal family are held to a higher
level of scrutiny.
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They are expected to be greater in terms
of their behavior.
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They're not just hanging around with
someone who's unsavory.
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What on earth is he doing?
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After Epstein's death, Prince Andrew
takes to the airwaves in an effort to
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his name.
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I didn't have much time with him. I
suppose I saw him...
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Once or twice a year, perhaps maybe
three times a year. But it would be a
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considerable stretch to say that he was
a very, very close friend.
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Prince Andrew decides that the way to
sort all of this out is to give an
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interview to the Newsnight programme, a
BBC programme which is known for its
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forensic questioning of politicians.
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I mean, yes, I would go and stay in his
house, but that was because of his
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girlfriend.
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Andrew says he didn't regret his
friendship with Epstein because through
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he'd been introduced to so many
interesting people. The people that I
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the opportunities that I was given to
learn, either by him
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or because of him, were actually very
useful.
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Prince Andrew is pressed about the
incriminating photograph taken with then
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-year -old Virginia Roberts.
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I can tell you categorically, I don't
remember meeting her at all.
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I do not remember the photograph being
taken.
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And I've said consistently and
frequently
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that we never had any sort of sexual
contact, whatever.
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Prince Andrew has his arms around her
and Ghislaine Maxwell is in the
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background. And that photo really makes
it clear that Virginia Roberts did meet
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Prince Andrew.
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She did meet him.
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I admit fully that my judgment was
probably coloured
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by my tendency to be too honourable, but
that's just the way it
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is.
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Throughout an hour of interview, Prince
Andrew never expressed any sympathy for
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Epstein's victims, for these young,
exploited girls who suffered so much.
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That terrible interview was just
excoriated by the press, especially the
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press.
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People say he's not the brightest, and
certainly if you saw that interview, you
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know he's not the brightest, okay? That
he's arrogant and entitled.
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Prince Andrew has to step back from war
duties, and it's the right thing for the
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royal family to do.
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How on earth could this man, who had
been out socializing with a convicted
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pedophile, then go and represent the
country?
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After Epstein's death at the MCC, it has
been reported that the FBI approached
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the prince. They wanted to interview
him, and he publicly agreed to
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However, to date, the prince has not
interviewed with the FBI.
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Those who believe it was murder also
point to compelling clues found among
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financier's possession.
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After his arrest, the FBI raided his
home in Manhattan on 71st Street.
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They find troves of pictures of underage
girls and nude pictures and possibly
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pictures with prominent people on them.
Potential blackmail information that he
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had probably collected from his
surveillance cameras.
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They cracked open the safe, and the safe
contained cash, I believe
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$70 ,000, diamonds, single diamonds.
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To some, another item found in Epstein's
safe seems to support the theory that
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he was connected to international
intelligence.
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Inside the safe, they also find a
passport with his picture.
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It was issued by Austria.
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with the address of a crown prince of
Saudi Arabia,
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which is incredibly odd.
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It's well known that spies use foreign
passports.
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So the question became, is it possible
that Jeffrey Epstein was co -opted by a
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foreign entity to spy on the rich and
powerful and use a sex ring to get some
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pretty compromising information called,
in the business, Compromat?
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We also know that because of his
connections through Ghislaine Maxwell,
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possibly had high -level security
information on behalf of governments
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throughout the world.
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And there could potentially be people
that didn't want him talking about those
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connections and things that he knew.
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This is someone that a lot of people
didn't want talking.
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Although many believe the secret agent
theory explains both Epstein's wealth
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suspicious death, others find that idea
absurd.
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But I do know that he certainly was
capable of blackmailing people.
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I don't think he was involved in any
intelligence operations.
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Nonsense. Nonsense.
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While there's no definitive proof
Epstein had blackmail information on
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government officials or the superpower
poll, or that he was a spy, one question
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still remains.
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If somebody killed him, how did they
have access to his cell?
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How did they organize?
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This was an organized killing.
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Amidst a sea of theories surrounding
powerful figures who might have ordered
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Epstein's murder, the question is, who
could have done it inside prison walls?
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I think if my theory is right, it would
have to be another inmate.
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Jeffrey told me that he was very
concerned about being incarcerated
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People were constantly commenting about
him.
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Someone who was charged with the kinds
of crimes that Jeffrey Epstein was
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charged with.
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fooling around with 14, 15, 16 -year
-old girls is going to be persona non
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grata, even to the most vile of other
prisoners.
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This is going to be repulsive.
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The question is, how does someone get in
and get out?
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Well, I've learned a great deal about
what inmates, through their ingenuity,
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and not do. People are very, very
inventive in these situations.
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Some close to Epstein quickly point a
finger at a possible suspect.
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Remember that first time that Jeffrey
Epstein was suspected of attempting
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suicide and put on a suicide watch?
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At that time, he had a cellmate, a
muscle -bound suspected murderer named
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Nicholas Tartaglione.
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Tartaglione was a former cop, 240, 250
pounds, muscular,
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burly guy.
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He was charged with four murders and is
looking at a death sentence.
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Epstein reportedly told his lawyers, who
came to visit him almost every single
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day, that he was scared of Tartaglione.
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He said that Tartaglione was on a
mission to, quote, rough him up.
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Jeffrey had some abrasions on his neck
after the first incident, which nobody
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really ever figured out.
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Was it a suicide attempt, or was it his
bunkie attacking him?
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I asked him, I said, what happened,
Jeffrey, that night?
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And he said,
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I don't know, I got up in the middle of
the night to get a drink of water. I
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don't remember anything after that.
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According to Tartaglione's attorney,
when Epstein tried to commit suicide the
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first time, that Tartaglione was the one
who alerted all the guards and tried to
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save him.
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And the strongest proof exonerating
Tartaglione for Epstein's murder lies in
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alibi.
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Tartaglione had been transferred out of
Epstein's cell after that first suicide
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attempt and before his death.
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And so the likelihood that somehow this
big hulking guy could have made his way
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back to Jeffrey Epstein's cell, killed
Epstein and then slinked off into the...
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you know, jail nighttime, it just
doesn't sound reasonable.
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Epstein's inmate suicide watch
counselor, Bill Mercy, is one of the
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to have spoken with Epstein.
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I probably spent five or six four -hour
shifts in the presence of Jeffrey
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Epstein with me watching him.
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He didn't talk about Prince Andrew or
anybody else.
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He didn't really volunteer information.
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For a suicide inmate, he was pretty well
adjusted.
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He wasn't a prima donna or a diva.
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He didn't complain. The only complaint I
ever heard from him was they gave him
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the wrong laxative.
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He didn't strike me as depressed, but he
was really apprehensive about prison
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life. He was scared.
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In the middle of conversations, his eyes
would drift off like, oh, my
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God, I'm in prison. Am I ever going to
get out of here?
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Prison, it's not a fun place.
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You're in your cell 23 hours a day. You
shower three times a week, and there's
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mice, and there's water bugs, and it's
real noisy, and it's cold.
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It's a long way down from a $77 million
mansion on the Upper East Side.
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There's no way somebody got in there and
killed him.
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You know how many people you'd have to
pay off to get in there and kill them?
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It's just, no way.
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That said, some of the people that
Jeffrey Epstein could have ruined with
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secrets. They had plenty of money to pay
anybody off.
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One striking piece of anecdotal evidence
that supports the theory of suicide can
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be found in the records of Epstein's
vast wealth.
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Epstein, 48 hours prior to him killing
himself, if that's what happened,
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and changes his will to be collapsed
into a trust in the Virgin Islands.
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People in the Virgin Islands that are
older...
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Their lawyers advise them, don't file
your estate or your will or your probate
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in the Virgin Islands. File it in the
mainland because it'll take nine, ten
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years before people in your will see any
of the benefits of that.
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So this will make it very difficult for
victims to get any type of restitution
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from his estate.
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Tying up all his money in international
red tape.
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That very well might have been a final F
.U. to his victims if, in fact, he was
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planning to kill himself.
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For all the conspiracy theorists out
there about Jeffrey Epstein's suicide
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versus murder, this is what I say.
You're the same guys who think that the
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landing was fake.
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Don't be ridiculous.
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Get over it. He killed himself.
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You're tripping.
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There's no question about it in my mind.
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Case closed for me.
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As far as how Epstein died, people
either firmly believe he committed
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they strongly believe he was murdered.
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But there could be a third possibility.
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What if Epstein did in fact hang himself
and he had help doing it?
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Investigators and lawyers have more
questions than answers about what
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inside that New York jail at dawn
Saturday.
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I think it was a homicide, but I don't
know who killed him.
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The simplest answer to me always rings
true, and the simplest answer is he
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killed himself because he didn't want a
secret reveal.
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I think he was ready to sing, and
perhaps that's why he was murdered.
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The Attorney General of the United
States decides to weigh in on this case,
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William Barr.
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And he says that this was no murder.
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He says this was just a perfect storm of
screw -ups within the prison system.
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I was appalled, and indeed the whole
department was, and frankly angry,
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to learn of the MCC's failure to
adequately secure this prisoner.
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But come on, Epstein was the most high
-profile prisoner in the entire system
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the time. What if these failures that
Barr talked about weren't failures, but
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rather deliberate acts of incompetence
that allowed Epstein to take his own
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life?
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I do know that they put him on suicide
watch, and then inexplicably they took
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him off. Why?
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Why don't you do that?
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They released him within a week.
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That's absurd.
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Unheard of. Absurd.
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He should have been on suicide watch.
But somebody wanted him off and had to
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choose to make that happen.
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He is now by himself.
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The very next day, we have Epstein found
dead.
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Epstein had extension cords in his cell
block. He had sheets at his disposal.
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And guess what? The two guards who were
assigned to watch him on a 24 -hour
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basis were so tired from being
overworked that they fell asleep.
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There would be astronomical odds that
you would have all of those things occur
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at that particular time in that fashion,
especially in this kind of a federal
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prison. It seems like almost it was an
invitation.
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Like they were saying, please kill
yourself.
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Here's all the stuff you need to do it.
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Jeffrey Epstein was by far the most
famous person in that jail at that time.
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Everybody was interested in what he was
doing every minute of the day.
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Everything he ate, everybody who came to
visit him.
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And I just, I'm very skeptical.
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Maybe someone very powerful knew that
Epstein was on the edge and then decided
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to just.
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Turn up the heat.
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Even more shocking to some, the only
individuals charged with crimes to date
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those at the bottom of the jail's
hierarchy, prison guards Michael Thomas
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Tova Noel.
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I'm Montel Figgins, the defense attorney
for Michael Thomas.
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Michael Thomas and Ms. Noel were on duty
at the time.
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that Jeffrey Epstein was found to have
died.
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After the death of Mr. Epstein, there
was a huge investigation into how he
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and what role the guards may have played
in that.
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Mr. Thomas, as well as his co
-defendant, Ms. Noel, they were indicted
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making false statements in the logs
regarding...
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the checks and the rounds that they were
supposed to do.
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But the system itself is what failed and
allowed this to happen.
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The Bureau of Prisons didn't have enough
people working.
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So the administrative officials were
allowing many individuals to work
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shifts in a row.
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Now, Mr. Thomas faces up to five years
in jail.
459
00:34:56,050 --> 00:35:01,070
This is very rare that a guard would be
charged with a criminal offense in this
460
00:35:01,070 --> 00:35:06,010
situation. It's my position that the
guards in this case are being
461
00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:13,990
I am outraged that the only two people
who may go to jail in the entire Epstein
462
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:20,530
affair are two African -American prison
guards that were at MCC the night
463
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:22,790
that Jeffrey Epstein killed themselves.
464
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:28,450
Maybe they should be suspended. Maybe
they should be fired. But that they
465
00:35:28,450 --> 00:35:29,450
go to jail?
466
00:35:29,570 --> 00:35:30,630
No, no, no.
467
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,560
It's not okay.
468
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,000
The question remains why everyone in
upper -level staff is able to keep their
469
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,840
jobs, keep their pensions, not face any
jail time.
470
00:35:43,700 --> 00:35:47,840
We will get to the bottom of what
happened, and there will be
471
00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:55,700
But even Attorney General Barr has a
bizarre connection to this case.
472
00:35:55,940 --> 00:36:00,100
his father was the headmaster of the
Dalton School, that elite...
473
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,040
School in Manhattan where Jeffrey
Epstein, you know, got a job as a
474
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,560
it just seems like everybody who was
investigating Jeffrey Epstein had some
475
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,940
weird twisted connection to him, which
begs the question, is this case ever
476
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:15,220
going to actually be solved?
477
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,800
Another question is whether the
financiers' alleged co -conspirators
478
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,800
face justice.
479
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,940
Maxwell, she's in hiding somewhere.
480
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:29,160
Nobody knows where she is.
481
00:36:31,050 --> 00:36:32,670
A lot of people would like to know where
she is.
482
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:40,970
In 1997, or maybe it was 98, Ghislaine
told me very proudly that
483
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:42,310
she'd got her helicopter license.
484
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:47,310
And I said to her, why on earth would
you want such a thing?
485
00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:49,950
So dangerous. Why would you do that?
486
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:51,150
Why would you want that?
487
00:36:51,190 --> 00:36:53,430
And she said, for secrecy.
488
00:36:54,770 --> 00:36:56,310
She's a fugitive now.
489
00:36:57,350 --> 00:37:00,230
Jelaine Maxwell is a fugitive.
490
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,740
I would love to see justice in the form
of every co -conspirator needs to be
491
00:37:05,740 --> 00:37:06,558
behind bars.
492
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,380
They belong there. They're criminals.
493
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:19,540
Now that Jeffrey Epstein is dead and the
investigation shrouded in mystery and
494
00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:25,940
doubt, many wonder what will become of
the decade's most controversial saga.
495
00:37:27,980 --> 00:37:30,460
The Epstein case goes from
496
00:37:31,370 --> 00:37:38,230
Palm Beach to New York to the White
House to Buckingham
497
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:44,950
Palace, where you have politicians,
business leaders, opinion
498
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:51,090
makers, very powerful people implicated
in one way or another. It's so
499
00:37:51,090 --> 00:37:53,710
expansive. It is a global case.
500
00:37:54,390 --> 00:38:00,110
It crosses the political barrier and it
is the longest.
501
00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:06,130
running child sex trafficking case in U
.S. legal history to date.
502
00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:12,690
What's important about this story is the
lawyers and the prosecutors and the
503
00:38:12,690 --> 00:38:14,650
attorney who let him off the hook.
504
00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:17,010
You can't have this in a society.
505
00:38:17,410 --> 00:38:23,210
And Acosta and Krischer, they should be
held responsible for what they did.
506
00:38:26,290 --> 00:38:29,330
What this case has, I think, shown...
507
00:38:29,550 --> 00:38:35,170
is that we live in a society with two
systems of justice, one for the rich and
508
00:38:35,170 --> 00:38:36,170
one for the poor.
509
00:38:36,370 --> 00:38:39,430
And Epstein knew this all along. Jeffrey
knew that.
510
00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:45,110
All these people, from federal
prosecutors to politicians to prison
511
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:46,910
say there will be accountability.
512
00:38:47,350 --> 00:38:51,890
Really? I don't see any indictments. No
accountability at all.
513
00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:55,010
To me, it's just been a travesty.
514
00:38:57,710 --> 00:39:00,070
Do you think death was an appropriate
punishment?
515
00:39:00,390 --> 00:39:03,310
Do I feel his death was an appropriate
punishment?
516
00:39:03,570 --> 00:39:08,510
Absolutely not. It gets nobody justice,
and it leaves a lot of unanswered
517
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:09,510
questions.
518
00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:15,430
The scale of what he did is almost too
much for the human mind to take in. We
519
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:19,510
are talking about, at a minimum,
hundreds of victims, potentially
520
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:21,390
believe it was probably thousands of
victims.
521
00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:26,970
Because I believe those who came forward
are just at the tip of the iceberg.
522
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:30,060
Most of them are never going to want to
come forward.
523
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,820
And the victims are getting zero right
now.
524
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,820
No more payments being issued, not any
money.
525
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:48,720
And I think everybody wants to see
justice for the victims here. If I could
526
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,860
a magic wand, all of his estate would go
to his victims.
527
00:39:56,750 --> 00:40:02,450
I'd say it's pretty empowering. It's
also pretty upsetting to see how many
528
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:08,310
he's devastated and to see how long this
went on for and nobody did anything
529
00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:09,310
about it.
530
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:13,710
And why did no one do anything about it?
531
00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:18,310
Well, if you think about it, Epstein and
Maxwell both maintained that there were
532
00:40:18,310 --> 00:40:22,930
recording devices in the mansions and
the properties and the fancy jets.
533
00:40:23,530 --> 00:40:27,750
And there were a lot of really
important, powerful people that
534
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:28,750
through those areas.
535
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:34,210
So wisdom might have it that there's
some pretty compromising video and sound
536
00:40:34,210 --> 00:40:35,890
somewhere out there.
537
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:42,930
I can only hope that someday it leaks
out and the guilty parties get what's
538
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:43,930
coming to them.
539
00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:53,180
I felt I was held to silence for so long
and suffocated by silence.
540
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:57,540
I gave up everything, and I mean
everything, because I gave up my health
541
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Now I'm very, very sick with a brain
tumor, so I'm drawing this project.
542
00:41:02,460 --> 00:41:05,260
This tree is the tree of rotten apples.
543
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,300
These are the evil roots of the apple
tree.
544
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:13,060
Alex Acosta, Ellen Dershowitz, Les
Wexner.
545
00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:16,060
I put Jeffrey Epstein up in this UFO.
546
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:18,630
because he's free and easy flying
around.
547
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:24,710
So Maxwell, you know, her pearls, and
fetching children, it's really creepy.
548
00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:28,250
All I wanted was for people to know the
truth.
549
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:32,810
And I'm not going to be quiet about it.
I'm not going to be quiet.
550
00:41:36,030 --> 00:41:42,370
I'm doing the series, drawing all the
women, all their portraits, honoring
551
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:44,990
because they're victims, but they're
also survivors.
552
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,840
I'm giving them each a drawing so that
they know that they matter.
553
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:57,400
We're binding together in their strength
in numbers, let me tell you something.
554
00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:00,420
They aren't going to get away with it
anymore.
555
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,660
2020 is the year that the predators
become the prey.
556
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:09,720
It would be a wonderful thing, wouldn't
it?
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