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- Good morning, Dr. LĂĽders.
- Yes, good morning.
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{\an8}We would like to do a short interview
do with you.
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{\an8}- But one minute, no longer.
- One minute, yes.
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{\an8}Then I'm leaving
this beautiful landscape.
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- Yes.
- No no.
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- We would like to…
- I don't want to get under the car.
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No.
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We would like to warmly welcome you to
Congratulations on your 80th birthday.
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Thanks.
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- And to the award of the honorary doctorate.
- Thanks.
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And would you like
ask some questions.
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What do you think today about
the realization of your great concern,
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women's equality?
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It is partly fulfilled,
on the other hand, not.
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And if people don’t keep fighting,
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they become what they have,
lose again.
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May I please
address something?
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And?
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You are the mediator
announced in the Bundestag.
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What would you do today
about the mediating role of women
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in active politics?
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I think that without the mediation
the woman doesn't care at all,
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because men have a strong
have a tendency to quarrel,
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and the women an equally
have a strong tendency to reconcile.
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- Thank you, Dr. LĂĽders.
- Please.
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Power is seen as unfeminine.
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I've never understood that.
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I can still remember
to my first major event
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with Susanne von Paczensky,
with Eva RĂĽhmkorf in Berlin.
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Big posters, I was so proud.
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It said "Women and Power?"
And behind it a question mark.
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And I was the only one on the podium,
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who said,
that I don't understand the question mark.
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That I want power, that power
something is not bad per se,
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but only the way
how to exercise power can be bad,
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and of course then has to be criticized.
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But if I am powerless,
then I am powerless.
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And precisely because I am a woman,
I don't want to be powerless,
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but I want power,
that means having influence,
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about the things that I think are right,
to be able to enforce.
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My German teacher always
clearly expressed:
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"Ursula, politics is unfeminine,"
she always told me.
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And the more she said it,
"Ursula, politics is unfeminine,"
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the more I annoyed her, of course.
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But it made me
to become increasingly involved in politics.
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When I graduated from high school,
they came to me and said:
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"So, we wish you
all the best for the future
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and that you will become a Hamm-BrĂĽcher,
but in our sense."
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Hamm-BrĂĽcher was so
the controversial politician in Bavaria,
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has advanced education policy,
but she was very, very argumentative,
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and of course not
in the spirit of the monastery school.
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So I was allowed to become Hamm-BrĂĽcher,
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but please with your values.
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Since 1950
entered the Bavarian state parliament,
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Hildegard Hamm-BrĂĽcher fights
for better school policy.
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Courage to be independent,
Civil courage and expertise
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made it one of the most famous
German cultural politicians.
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And what is her
most urgent political goal at the moment?
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{\an8}The external and internal school conditions
for our children to improve
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as urgently needed
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and as unfortunately happened in the past
Again and again, far too little happened.
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My mother has me
already driven to learn,
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because she hadn't had a high school diploma
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and said: "Girl, learn something!
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What you have learned
no one can take that away from you anymore."
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My father was also
something very conservative, he said:
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"Girl, don't study so much,
you won't get a man."
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A woman has two questions in life:
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What should I wear?
And what should I cook?
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Yes, that was the image of women.
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The man is the breadwinner,
the woman is a housewife/mother
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and makes it possible for him
if he has a corresponding position,
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also invite guests,
to lead a social life.
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And with their own education
it also supports the children.
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{\an8}I remember a classmate,
that was in high school,
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{\an8}she suddenly said,
she wants to study mathematics.
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And even we all fell off our chairs,
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because we couldn’t imagine
that a girl studies mathematics.
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When a woman, a young girl
then danced out of line,
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then it was made clear to her,
that she violated the role model.
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The sentence: "She's getting married anyway",
accompanied me the whole time,
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until finally
at the beginning of my studies.
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And when I arrived in Berlin
started studying law,
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There were less than 10% of us women.
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Or in lectures, if then
the famous Professor Raape in Hamburg
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Auditorium day
addressed as "gentlemen".
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Although we all, the few
Girls who were in the lecture
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sat in the front row.
He stuck with "gentlemen."
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I still have the right to speak here!
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From your trust
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I am first
in the German Reich.
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The reunification
a free fatherland,
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This is where the wish comes from.
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We want to dare more democracy.
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We want to
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don't experiment.
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…no experiments,
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because they are the German people again
would fall into the abyss.
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I was at the Adenauer Foundation yesterday,
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the pictures were hanging there.
Only blackcoats.
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So the former
leading commissions, ministers,
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all blackcoats,
not a single woman among them.
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I once said:
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"A democracy
can't be just half."
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To the wholeness of a people
include women and men.
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{\an8}I am of the opinion that the woman on
gives all areas their own share,
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{\an8}and therefore also in politics.
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{\an8}I would like to say, also as Federal Minister
there would be opportunities for a woman.
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This would certainly affect the cabinet meetings
revive, Mr. Minister.
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Oh, please not just as a decorative item.
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But I would like to believe that there are some
capable woman in our country,
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the professional and factual
to the difficult conversation between the men
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about order, about the future
could give their part.
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Yes, I meant that very seriously.
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I believe women can
contribute to cabinet meetings,
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which the men don't immediately realize.
Not, Minister?
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I definitely think that women
could help us, including in the cabinet.
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That was my first experience,
A real experience. In the Bundestag
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our women's group
called by Mrs Brauksiepe,
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and then in each committee
had to be a woman,
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and in the federal government,
Adenauer didn't get any.
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And then four went to Adenauer,
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Fr. Brauksiepe
with a chic hat…
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Then they came back and said:
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"So we did it."
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And then we were excited
for Dr. Schwarzhaupt.
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It was fantastic.
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So it really wasn’t just
later Minister of Health,
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but as a very young woman
she was in the Stresemann party,
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in the German People's Party,
leading in administration.
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Then very active in the confessing church,
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and then after the war
also under construction immediately.
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Dr. Schwarzhaupt
did it really well
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and introduced many new things.
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For example labeling
of food and such,
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which did not exist before.
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I swear it, so help me God.
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Your appointment, Dr. Schwarzhaupt,
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the first female minister
the Federal Republic
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causes us a little embarrassment,
Regarding the salutation:
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Madam Minister or Madam Minister?
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{\an8}I mean Madam Minister,
because I am a woman
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{\an8}and since the German language has two forms,
one female and one male,
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for such words.
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It may be a little ungallant, but it is
it is not worth considering asking yourself,
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whether a woman in politics has a completely
wants to take a certain position,
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should or must only because
because she is a woman?
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So ungallant seems to me
Your question doesn't even exist.
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It is a question that has been
appears wherever you work.
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But personally I have
the encouraging experience,
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that women can also be trusted,
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because we are often expected to do a lot.
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And what you have to contribute is
something other than what the man brings.
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When I work like a man,
speak like a man,
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could one have my own husband
yes, have been sent here for 20 years,
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and that is simply not the case.
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Vive la différence, if you will.
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Everyone brings the par he has,
to do the whole thing right.
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It is
no one there to decide.
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Gentlemen, in the hour of need
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must be determined
Decisions are made.
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And there has always been in history
courageous women of humanity,
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who intervened to save the day.
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I am the longest-serving member of the
Company, everything obeys my command.
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Oh my God.
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Initially, the women
Lone fighters, all for themselves.
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And then, in the 70s,
the other women were discovered,
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who were in the same situation.
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And you no longer have to fight each other
competes for the only women's place,
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but they have joined forces,
for more women's places,
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in quotation marks.
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I began,
to be interested in politics.
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I took
take part in political events.
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Until then, I had
didn't trust anything at all,
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I also lived in a marriage,
who didn't have much faith in me.
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And I started to get involved in political
to go to events and noticed:
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"People are listening to you,
when you make an argument."
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I suddenly felt two meters
bigger, very confirmed,
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and suddenly got courage
to your own self start now.
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How do you manage to have family
and work under one roof?
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This is a question that generally
unfortunately only female politicians are asked.
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I have… You have to
of course make compromises.
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{\an8}You have to live your life
organize differently.
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{\an8}But it can be done this way,
how businesswomen manage
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{\an8}as women
of farmers.
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The father of my children was very bad
cope with this new role model.
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Suddenly I was no longer the one
who only idolized her husband
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and otherwise kept his mouth shut.
I had my own opinion.
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He was very bad at dealing with it
and we broke up.
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In '68 I took my exams in Berlin,
I then returned to TĂĽbingen,
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was then
for a while district chairman there
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and then, from 1970,
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the social democratic women
in Baden-WĂĽrttemberg,
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a bit scary
our then state leaders,
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because they support our cheerful terrorism,
actually, we didn't really like it that much.
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Because of course we said:
"So, in the next local elections,
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we want to increase the proportion of women
to the Municipal Parliament
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at least double,
if not more."
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We looked at
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which regulations within the party
you have to know,
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how is a budget drawn up,
how do I present myself,
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what are the typical characteristics,
how men behave in committees,
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how do they negate women,
what do you do about it and things like that.
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And we had a lot of fun,
and it was successful too.
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My name is Herta Däubler-Gmelin,
am 29 years old,
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Member of Parliament since 19 November
and by the way, Swabian.
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It blows through the whole history
a move towards emancipation
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From humans to infusoria
Everywhere the woman wants to be on the throne
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From the Amazons to the Berlin Range
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A cry like thunder roars
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"What men can do,
we have long been able
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And maybe a whole lot more"
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Get the men out of the Reichstag
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And get the men out of the state parliament
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And get the men out of the mansion
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We're turning it into a women's shelter
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Get men out of existence
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And get the men out of here
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And get the men out of there
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They should have left long ago
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Yes, get the men out of the building
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And get into those things with the woman!
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Morning, Sister Ina.
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- May I?
- But of course.
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I advise you to
to do with the head nurse.
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She'll stick one on you.
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Well, he might not like it.
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But you do,
You can see that.
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You're confusing that.
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I'm just being lenient,
because you are sick.
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Not that sick, huh?
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Impudence!
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- So what's going on?
- Nothing more.
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Some hold
Nurses for fair game.
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You take things like that with humor.
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So, it was before the summer break.
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A major educational policy debate
was in the Bundestag.
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I practically had
to give the last speech.
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And then I go back
to my place where I am.
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Halfway
StĂĽcklen stands in front of me and says:
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"Mrs. Schuchardt…" Takes his
Thumb, goes over my back
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and suddenly makes the CSU like this…
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Did I say, "What was that?"
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"Yes, we bet:
Is she wearing a bra or not?
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I say, "So?" "Yeah, he doesn't wear one."
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Someone has to
the press.
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Oh God, now the summer break was over,
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and I think, how terrible, so I
went to the presidium and said:
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"Mr. StĂĽcklen, excuse me.
I didn't give this to the press."
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Then the man actually says to me:
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"Oh, don't worry,
has strengthened my liberal image."
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You also had to learn
to ward off dredging,
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that the Lord is not mortally offended and
then your sworn enemy is in the faction.
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I want to say this quite openly:
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We have nothing against old men,
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We don't have anything against old women either.
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{\an8}We have nothing against young women either.
I would like to say that too.
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{\an8}Only… only…
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{\an8}So dear Mrs. Nickels,
Ms. Hickel, Ms. Vollmer, Ms. Schoppe,
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I want to say,
We all grow old together.
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They look partly
It sounds quite acceptable, that's true, but...
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But I want to tell you this,
as far as old men are concerned,
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the ravages of time, the ravages of time
is also bothering you quite a bit,
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I want to tell you that.
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You had to master that skillfully,
this… this game,
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defend, but not…
not to insult as a man in any way.
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This was the case in all groups,
also with us.
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Unfortunately, I have to say,
Journalists also dug.
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When something is taboo
here on the political stage,
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then it is
the intimate lives of Bonn politicians.
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A Sunday paper and the Greens
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have now with this discretion
Broke up.
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Green MP Klaus Hecker
from Kronberg in Hesse
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has come under fire.
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He is supposed to inform parliamentary group staff of the
Greens who groped breasts,
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if I ever
can be expressed so casually.
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Ms. Schoppe, what is wrong with the
Accusations against Mr. Hecker?
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It was actually the case that Mr. Hecker
grabbed three women's breasts.
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Wouldn’t it be better
to resolve such conflicts humanely,
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as the political club
to swing?
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A slap in the face would be there
for example, also appropriate.
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But then it would have been an isolated case,
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the conflict between Klaus Hecker
and a woman, and that's not how it is.
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It is a social reality,
and we want to uncover them.
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What do you think
of breast grabbing and butt pinching?
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That is currently under discussion.
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They don't do that to me anymore.
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At work, you should avoid
In my free time I am in favor of it.
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If it were something extraordinary,
I would do it anyway.
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Haven’t you ever
thought about doing something like that?
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Why? I've actually done that before.
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And what happened?
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The woman said that was nice.
But that wasn’t in the Bundestag either.
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I have VIP service at the airport
made for all the politicians,
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that were "in" at the time: Strauss, Stücklen…
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Although I have to say,
at my job there at the airport
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I have the politicians
not only positive experiences.
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So, if you
thinks about the MeToo debate
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and to some of those I looked after there,
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in the morning when they are completely drunk
went on the plane,
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then… there is a lot that could be said.
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Touches and other things
I have already experienced
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also with Richard StĂĽcklen.
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I was at an event with him,
still in my early stages.
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Then he said:
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"She's not married,
She's not that ugly after all."
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Uh… I thought that…
I would prefer that…
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If I hadn't been in front of people,
I would have slapped him in the face.
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Celebrity help for the lawyer
Friedrich Bohl,
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Member since 1970
of the Hessian State Parliament.
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He is now moving to Bonn.
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Richard StĂĽcklen explains to Ms. Bohl,
what she got herself into.
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{\an8}If my wife doesn't
would have shown so much understanding,
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I would never have been in politics
can do that,
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what I have done in 31 years now.
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I'm happy to believe that.
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If the woman is not right,
doesn't help at all.
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Even today, people trivialize
This MeToo debate. Um…
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If women had spoken sooner… sooner,
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one would also have in the areas,
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I believe,
developed a different sensitivity.
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{\an8}I would like to say something briefly
to say about last night.
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{\an8}Dear ladies and gentlemen,
Dear friends,
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{\an8}last night is here
been insulted in an unqualified manner.
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You have… You still have to
work on yourselves, gentlemen,
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so that the dignity of this house
doesn't quite get to the point.
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The discussion about paragraph 218
has started again.
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This paragraph,
which, under certain conditions
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the woman's abortion
a pregnancy is possible,
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has the suffering that the abortion
cannot reduce the impact that this entails.
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That was a very sober speech,
if you listen to it again.
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She doesn't have
raised his voice magnificently,
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but she spoke rather quietly.
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And probably because they
also armed internally,
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because she knew what was coming.
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We move in a society,
standardizes living conditions:
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on uniform fashions,
Uniform housing, uniform opinion,
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also on a uniform morality.
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What led to
that people lie down in the evening
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and before falling asleep
perform a unit exercise.
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The man usually
carries out negligent penetration.
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Negligent, because most men
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take no action
for contraception.
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I admired her,
I say this quite openly,
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because I heard the same words
in the Bundestag would probably not have voted,
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but I thought it was absolutely right.
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This speech was a great celebration
for all women,
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who is interested in women
and women's movement.
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So never, never has anyone
spoken in the Bundestag.
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We demand punishment
in cases of marital rape.
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We urge you to
to finally acknowledge
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that women
have a right to self-determination
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about her body and her life.
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We urge all of you to
to stop sexism here in Parliament.
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The mood at the time of the speech
at Mrs. Schoppe's, was simply disgusting.
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I mean, something like "witch",
well, that's not very nice,
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but not below the belt.
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But things happened,
clearly sexualized,
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which was shouted at her, something like:
"Nobody wants to sleep with you anyway."
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So really very ugly.
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I would have
not expected from MPs.
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I realize I said the right thing,
You are... you are hit.
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That was,
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yes, it was embarrassing sometimes
for the men.
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One really felt sorry for the men,
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who had to roar like that
in certain passages,
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because they are so in their innermost being
were attacked
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and were no longer accepted
as natural rulers in the world.
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It was already like this,
that the colleagues did not understand
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how they actually treat us.
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For them we were just a few garnishes,
so little flowers,
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but not necessarily
serious politicians,
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who have just as much to say as they do.
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A real turning point would be
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if up here for example
a chancellor would stand
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and would point out to people
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that there are forms of lovemaking,
who are lustful
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and the possibility of a
Completely rule out pregnancy.
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But of course you can
just talk about it,
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of which at least
understands a little bit.
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Seriously, I would agree with the Chancellor
never want to talk about it.
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Anyone who, through their politics…
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Anyone who destroys the environment through their policies
and initiated misanthropic actions,
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has missed the chance
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in the conversation about sensuality
to be included.
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The word
colleague Kleinert, Hanover.
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Mr. President!
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Ladies and gentlemen.
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{\an8}We're not half as uptight,
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{\an8}as I did after the lecture,
that we just heard… here…
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…have to accept
that we suspect it.
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A lot of people live
in this country,
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very healthy, balanced, also cheerful,
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cheerful in a very healthy way,
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and still don't do it
the subject of plenary debates,
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how they live.
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That was, if I remember correctly,
Her first speech in the Bundestag.
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And then you get a rush
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from, yes, not friendlier,
relaxed cheerfulness,
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but, as I felt,
but one sees,
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yes, actually being laughed at.
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So I had cheerfulness and relaxation
in Parliament anyway not expected,
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I have to say.
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And when that happened with the laughter
and also with the aggressions,
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I thought, just now,
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there is still a lot to be done
Basic work needs to be done.
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And we have
performed than women.
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{\an8}The foreign policy orientation
of our country is at stake.
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{\an8}The Soviet Union must not succeed
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{\an8}with the help of their
enormous armament efforts,
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which are not caused by any recognizable
Need for defense and security
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are to be justified,
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to intimidate us Western Europeans,
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our political
restrict freedom of action
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and us from
the United States.
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Mr President, ladies and gentlemen,
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I would like to ask you first
not to laugh.
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The chain I have around my neck
is not a carnival item.
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She is more highly respected in Hiroshima
than the Federal Cross of Merit here.
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I ask you to support the chain here
to show due respect.
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It consists of 1,000 cranes.
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The crane is a national symbol
for happiness and peace in Japan,
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and there is an old custom
and an old legend:
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Whoever folds 1,000 cranes,
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he will be lucky,
Blessings and a long life.
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And after the bomb fell,
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have many survivors
in their misery and despair
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raised himself up by the thought
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and tried
to fold 1,000 cranes,
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before they die from radiation...
well, just died away.
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In 1982 I had in our area
the entire peace movement was first built
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and then expressly
also a women's peace movement,
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because I knew exactly:
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One could
this denunciation of the peace movement,
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"all controlled by Moscow",
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"Freaks who have nothing else to do
than to demonstrate",
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pull the tooth when mothers,
Grandmothers and children appeared.
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We have woven barracks gates shut,
Breakfasts organized.
439
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,800
The General Commander came
then secretly in civilian clothes by bicycle
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and looked at it.
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It has lifted them out of their forms,
because they didn't expect it.
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Fr. Nickels,
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Your concern about the consequences
the Hiroshima catastrophe is moving.
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I share this concern,
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because as a child in my
severely destroyed hometown Koblenz
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experienced the bombing nights.
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I was buried twice.
448
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I know,
how terrible war was even back then.
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I also know from his stories,
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that our Chancellor Helmut Kohl
suffered the war very personally.
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At the age of 13 he was
in a school fire engine
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used in the bombing war in Ludwigshafen,
453
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,680
and he has his brother
lost through the death of soldiers.
454
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,000
Yes, Helmut Kohl
was an emotional person,
455
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,360
you have to know that.
And I can still remember
456
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,320
as I stepped down from the lectern,
the two stages,
457
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,760
I came
past the Chancellor's square.
458
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,680
Then he struck me with his paw
on the shoulder, appreciatively,
459
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,480
and was of the opinion
I would have done well.
460
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,200
What is bad is
461
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,920
that many in the peace movement
462
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,520
from this dispute
make a religious war.
463
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,560
That they themselves
consider to be the public conscience
464
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,640
and with their intolerance
destroy inner peace.
465
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,120
That the peace movement
I reject the idea that it is a fear movement.
466
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,120
This is the fear movement,
467
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,600
who sit on this government bench
and scare us.
468
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:05,880
If we use our non-violent
Resistance and civil disobedience
469
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,920
Legal regulations
and violate laws,
470
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,880
then because of that,
because we are in agreement with a higher law,
471
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,120
reckon with the law of conscience
and because we know:
472
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,480
The power of the state is not absolute.
473
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,520
Petra Kelly was already an icon back then.
For some she was a saint.
474
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,400
For others, yes…
475
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,880
They didn't exactly think positively of her.
476
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,560
But the women were strong,
been very strong,
477
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,520
not only in the NATO double-track decision.
478
00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,400
For us, Wackersdorf was
a very big question.
479
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,400
Reprocessing plant
in the Upper Palatinate.
480
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,760
And women were massively involved.
481
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,560
A final word to the children
in the peace movement.
482
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,080
Parents were denounced,
483
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,880
who take their children to peace demonstrations
on October 22nd.
484
00:39:55,000 --> 00:40:00,160
I have three children myself,
and I tell you, it's rather the other way around.
485
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Already the ten-year-olds
take their parents with them.
486
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:08,840
- Do you think that's good?
- Two topics… Yes, I think that's good.
487
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,640
There are two topics that concern them:
488
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,120
forest dieback and rearmament.
489
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,880
And so I would like to conclude with the
Text of the banner by young people.
490
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,360
Yes stand:
491
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:28,080
"You deal with the world,
as if you had a second one in the basement."
492
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,240
Let us show them
that they were mistaken.
493
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,800
Women, I mean this across party lines
with all women together,
494
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,880
that they are also
in the rearmament debate, for example,
495
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,400
much more intensively on the real problems
entered than all the men in there.
496
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,800
That was my feeling and I was happy
because I felt
497
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,320
there is something connecting.
498
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,160
I don't want to sugarcoat it
or strive for harmony,
499
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,600
but there is something there because maybe
are more closely connected to everyday life.
500
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:03,200
As long as men rule us,
carry the rockets in front of your head
501
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,040
like others have a plank in front of their heads,
502
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,360
things won't get better here,
and we don't need new rockets.
503
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,840
We need new men in this country.
504
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,080
Mr President,
505
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,200
my dear
Colleagues.
506
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,640
I can thank the Chancellor
not express my distrust,
507
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,360
{\an8}after I told him
just a few months ago
508
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,120
{\an8}I expressed my trust.
509
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,840
I find,
that both of them don't deserve this:
510
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,280
Helmut Schmidt,
to be overthrown without a vote,
511
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,840
and you, Helmut Kohl, without a vote
to become Chancellor.
512
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,080
Hildegard Hamm-BrĂĽcher
was a highly respected politician
513
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:46,040
and has in the Bundestag
also gave really great speeches.
514
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,120
It was not easy,
also in dealing with colleagues.
515
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,440
She had…
516
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,400
She was not a… "woman's woman",
we said back then.
517
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,920
This was not a given for her,
that she stands up for other women.
518
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,880
But then the famous
Situation during the vote of no confidence.
519
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,760
It was then completely clear among us,
520
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,960
where it was clear that we would vote against it,
that she would give the speech.
521
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:18,360
So I think these two processes
have in my opinion
522
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,680
You give hatred.
of violated democratic decency.
523
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,400
They damage
524
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,880
moral integrity
of changes of power.
525
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,200
And then…
526
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,960
And then…
527
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,160
Yes, I see it that way, I'm sorry.
528
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,760
They see it differently
and said so too.
529
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,240
I mean,
that there can be no blessing on it.
530
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,760
It was clear to everyone,
that an earthquake is now underway,
531
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,040
with this speech, and then also clear,
532
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,400
that this is now in the FDP
would also trigger an earthquake.
533
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,720
Just two years ago
the voter has clearly
534
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,480
in favor of the social-liberal
Coalition decided.
535
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Therefore we must ask him,
before we change this.
536
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,200
Handshake between
Dr. Hildegard Hamm-BrĂĽcher
537
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,480
and Chancellor Helmut Schmidt.
538
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,640
A very personal,
539
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,720
a very dense justification
their voting behavior,
540
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,000
as soon as it comes to a vote.
541
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,240
{\an8}What I have heard here in terms of appeals,
542
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,240
{\an8}an Resentments,
543
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,720
of emotions,
544
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:49,280
I can only partially understand
as an attack on our Constitution.
545
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:02,080
{\an8}If freedom of expression
a member of parliament
546
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,680
or a Member of Parliament,
547
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:12,720
who announce that according to their conscience
to speak and act,
548
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:19,160
is referred to
as an attack on our Constitution…
549
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:28,720
…as an attack on our Constitution,
then the leadership must…
550
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,680
I only intend
to speak three sentences.
551
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,080
And please let me finish.
552
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,360
I still have the right to speak here.
553
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:48,720
This Constitution is a
moral institute of German politics.
554
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,200
And if, within the framework of this Constitution,
555
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,640
whether this is more or less
in the specific situation,
556
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,400
decisions are made, work is done,
557
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,720
then it cannot be immoral
558
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,520
and certainly not be unchristian,
Madam colleague.
559
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,400
Member of Parliament Dr. Helmut Kohl
560
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,480
is the Federal Chancellor
of the Federal Republic of Germany.
561
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,880
- The question…
- Buh!
562
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:33,800
Electing Helmut Kohl was
a serious breach of trust among voters.
563
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,920
Truly a breach of an election promise.
564
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,280
We were not the only ones, it was
a great uproar among the population.
565
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,640
That was against good faith,
566
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,040
and that is also the reason
why I am with Genscher,
567
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,560
who kept it a secret until the end,
never exchanged a word again.
568
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:58,480
Well, ladies and gentlemen, I am now
really an old party conference warhorse.
569
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,160
I have most
570
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,480
in Germany since 1967
attended the party conferences that took place,
571
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,840
but I have never seen such a
experienced a tearful party conference like this one.
572
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,320
Something must have happened here
in this party.
573
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,360
I ask for your understanding,
574
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,040
that for me
is simply a question of self-respect,
575
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,040
according to the result of this test
to run for the Federal Executive Board.
576
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,600
That wasn't all.
577
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,680
For Ingrid Matthäus-Maier
meant the re-election of Genscher
578
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,760
and the approval of the Bonn
Change of power the loss of face of the FDP
579
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,400
and the development towards
to a right-wing economic party.
580
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,720
Final concerns,
final advice, final objections.
581
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,800
You can no longer change their minds.
582
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,120
She considers the FDP
no longer as their political home.
583
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,040
And the FDP party conference
loses for a few moments
584
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,280
the atmosphere of businesslikeness,
when she explains:
585
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,720
I am therefore resigning from my positions in the FDP
down and leave the FDP.
586
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,480
Some more party resignations
follow this evening.
587
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,200
Others hesitate and are at a loss.
588
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,400
Will there be a change after the Berlin party conference
to a wave of resignations from the FDP?
589
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,680
Many fear it.
590
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,800
And so it was,
with sometimes tragic outcomes.
591
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,800
Friendships have broken down.
592
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,640
I have experienced marriages
who are broken by it,
593
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,440
on the change of coalition.
594
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:48,920
After that, life changed for many,
for me, for example.
595
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,120
It was quite clear that this coalition…
I could never have voted for Kohl.
596
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,040
I could never have chosen him.
597
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,200
And with that I knew exactly:
598
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,280
I have to pay for this with my
own political survival.
599
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,880
I am woman, hear me roar
600
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,800
In numbers too big to ignore
601
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,960
And I know too much
To go back and pretend
602
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,280
'cause I've heard it all before
603
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,680
And I've been down there on the floor
604
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,120
No one's ever
Going to keep me down again
605
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,200
- Oh yes, I am wise
- Yes, I am wise
606
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,760
- But it's wisdom born of pain
- Oh
607
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,600
- Yes, I've paid the price
- Yes, I've paid the price
608
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:03,360
But look how much I gained
609
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,280
- If I have to
- Have to
610
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,320
- I can do anything
- Anything
611
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,160
- I am strong
- Strong
612
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,440
- I am invincible
- Invincible
613
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,560
I am woman
614
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,640
May I introduce you to the Chancellor?
615
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,280
He will be happy,
finally the chairwoman of a…
616
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,280
May I introduce you to Fr. Matthäus,
the chairwoman of our Young Democrats?
617
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,000
And you already have
had such a negotiation?
618
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,600
Yes, we already have
had a negotiation.
619
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,880
At Bonn parties she is
shown around like a bird of paradise.
620
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,400
A rare specimen:
621
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,200
a woman who, at the age of 26
622
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,720
Head of one of the three big
political youth organizations.
623
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,320
But Ingrid Matthäus,
new chairwoman of the Young Democrats,
624
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,880
wants to show it to their political fathers,
would rather give them trouble than joy,
625
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,000
especially to his own party leader.
626
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,800
Many people were surprised,
that for the first time a woman is now chairwoman
627
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,160
such a large organization.
628
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,240
And you? Do you think it is normal that
a woman can hold such an office?
629
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,800
So I think that’s normal,
630
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,160
and the Young Democrats
This is not abnormal either.
631
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,800
We have on many levels,
632
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:19,280
District, regional and state levels,
Women as chairmen.
633
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,200
Of course, this is
in previous public life
634
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,640
definitely not normal.
635
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,600
But I hope that this will be the
or another woman gains more courage,
636
00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:28,720
to do that too,
637
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,640
even if this is not the fundamental
solves social problems,
638
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,600
which at the moment
prevent women's emancipation.
639
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,680
I still remember
that dpa wrote at the time,
640
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,080
it might not have been entirely wrong:
641
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,560
"aggressive and attractive".
642
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,240
The problem is that as a woman,
I noticed that very quickly,
643
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,200
if you are active,
if you are decisive,
644
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:56,360
what you want and enforce it and
say: "Now I get the majorities..."
645
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,400
I am sure
a man would have been told:
646
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,480
"But he's decisive."
647
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,040
"He has ideas and visions,
He wants to implement that."
648
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:09,040
But this is an experience,
that I have collected over the years,
649
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:14,200
that when women say
"I want it that way and that's what I'm fighting for,"
650
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,560
which is viewed rather critically,
also among viewers, rather than men.
651
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,680
That means "decisive"
and not "authoritarian".
652
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,960
Since chaos rarely comes alone,
653
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,720
we now report
about the expulsion of men
654
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,480
from paradise
the Green Party leadership,
655
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,800
if there is a paradise
should have been.
656
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,120
The Greens were
as you already know,
657
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:42,520
what in the average marriage
The norm seems to be:
658
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,480
The women took command.
659
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,880
What has developed gently over the years in a marriage
almost imperceptibly,
660
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,400
The Green ladies managed
in a rush, so to speak,
661
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,400
without sentimentality,
with brutal access,
662
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,800
worse than the worst
male chauvinists could have done.
663
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,200
We are now making this experiment here,
664
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:10,320
and we see this as a signal
for the women in our party,
665
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,480
to become more involved,
for women in other parties too.
666
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,480
And we also see this as a signal
667
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,720
across the borders of the Federal Republic of Germany
for all women,
668
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,360
to become more involved in politics.
669
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,120
When we were with six women
were elected as parliamentary group leader,
670
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,880
they are all… blown away.
671
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,600
Well, you can imagine it… The FAZ wrote:
672
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:35,560
"On a broad trail of slime
Crawling after women's emancipation,
673
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,560
the men abolished themselves."
674
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,280
Or then from the "gynaecocracy"
spoke, to which I said:
675
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,200
"So if there are only men sitting there,
You don't say 'urology' either."
676
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,400
So, simply, which terms do they…
677
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,080
But there were serious
Moderators, journalists,
678
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,960
something like that…
from which this broke out.
679
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,840
And one was
of course, invited immediately.
680
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,200
And… well, I… I found that interesting.
681
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,280
When I was standing with Nowottny,
I first said: "What is that?"
682
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,800
He was quite small.
683
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,400
He had a transparent hump,
where he stood.
684
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,400
Then of course he was taller than me.
685
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,280
"Aha, that's how it works!"
So I had fun with it.
686
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,120
Christa Nickels on her first course
687
00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:24,160
as newly elected
Group manager.
688
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,120
Since Tuesday, the fate
the Greens in their hands
689
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,200
and in those of five other women.
690
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,080
A surprise coup, the background of which
only become visible gradually.
691
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,480
Nervous but carefree
negotiates nickels
692
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,640
already in the late morning with
their colleagues from the other parties.
693
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,040
{\an8}Self-praise stinks, as we all know,
and I don't want to praise myself,
694
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,280
{\an8}but I have the impression
that today I have one leg
695
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,760
{\an8}I jumped in quite well.
696
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,040
I will definitely
still need to be polished.
697
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,400
I still have to get used to it,
get more routine,
698
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,440
but this can be achieved,
I have no concerns.
699
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,520
No job that necessarily
depends on the gender of the owner?
700
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,480
No, in the head, in the mind,
701
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,320
and it depends, as we know,
not on long hair.
702
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,800
When we elected the women’s board,
703
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,960
were some SPD women,
Left-wing SPD women, totally outraged.
704
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,200
What that is,
one should not exaggerate,
705
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,080
throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And…
706
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Yes, these CSU women,
707
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,720
so this really
strictly value-conservative,
708
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,800
They were really happy,
congratulated us.
709
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,400
It was a topsy-turvy world,
where one thought:
710
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,520
"My God, what is
into the SPD women?"
711
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,520
With the Feminat at the Greens
712
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:40,360
I have now actually
not necessarily so intensively engaged.
713
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:45,680
Whereby I say,
I like men, and I think
714
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,000
that male experiences
in life,
715
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,360
just not to this extent.
716
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,440
I congratulated you.
717
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,680
I congratulated them in writing,
and of course they were also…
718
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,120
They made it public.
719
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,280
I then received a nasty letter
720
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,880
from my
get parliamentary group manager,
721
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,360
whether I am still of all good spirits,
722
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,800
that I support such nonsense
and then congratulate you.
723
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:19,120
And without the Green women
and then without the SPD quota
724
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:22,400
would that be in the Union area
not possible.
725
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,120
It is a bit difficult at first,
to face only men.
726
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,600
They have expectations, want to see
727
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,560
whether you stand up for yourself,
as the saying goes.
728
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,840
Of course there are still prejudices.
An example from the last election campaign:
729
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,880
When I once had a regular meeting
in a small Upper Bavarian town
730
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,840
and really made an effort…
731
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,800
After the event
An older farmer told me:
732
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,040
"Well, maybe, Madel,
733
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,400
you'll get it on Monday,
then you don't need to go to something like that."
734
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,240
You had to, because then
the women stood up outside
735
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,000
and the new women's movement naturally came,
Alice Schwarzer came.
736
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,880
These were all consequences,
all parallel processes over the years,
737
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,320
in Parliament
and outside Parliament,
738
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,040
which have fertilized each other.
739
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,160
Come, don't be softened
740
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,440
Stay strong at your core
741
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,240
Don't slip into their switches
742
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,160
Don't drive yourself away
743
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,600
Under the pavement
744
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,640
There is the beach
745
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:33,160
Come on, tear it too
a few stones from the sand
746
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,560
Come on, don't let them tell you
747
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,080
What you have to leave behind
748
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,080
You can choose yourself
749
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,120
Just slow, no rush
750
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,360
Under the pavement
751
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,720
{\an8} There lies the beach
752
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,440
{\an8} Come on, you too
753
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,560
A few stones from the sand
754
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Spin and dance
755
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,240
{\an8} Then they can't grab you
756
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,520
{\an8} Chase them away completely
757
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,480
With your loud laughter
758
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:22,600
It's your turn!
759
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,400
{\an8}Even long-serving party conference veterans,
ladies and gentlemen,
760
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,720
{\an8}cannot remember
761
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,600
at other events of this kind
to have seen so many women
762
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,720
like the CDU in the Grugahalle in Essen.
763
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:41,520
Heiner GeiĂźler's idea to bring the CDU
to promote the "new partnership",
764
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,920
as the Secretary-General calls it,
close,
765
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:49,360
organized the CDU meeting in the middle
in the Ruhr area more amiable,
766
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,280
and, more importantly,
future-oriented.
767
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:58,480
The party wants equality
of men and women in everyday life
768
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,240
by the year 2000.
769
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,800
A high standard.
770
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,160
In the run-up to this party conference
Heiner GeiĂźler announced,
771
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,840
that after the party conference
resigns as Minister for Family Affairs
772
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,480
and fully dedicated to his task
as Secretary General.
773
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,960
Then I said in the Women’s Union:
774
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,080
"This is the moment
now we must demand
775
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,800
that finally a second woman
comes into the cabinet.
776
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,040
Kohl can forget about the party conference,
if he doesn't announce it credibly."
777
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,920
I assume
that the CDU does not want to embarrass itself
778
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,760
and the second minister is due,
because otherwise it would be ridiculous.
779
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,960
By the way, I think
there should be at least three or four.
780
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,160
At least the number
of female ministers
781
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,400
in your government on these demands
782
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,760
correspond to the share
of female party members.
783
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,600
I'm not telling you anything new,
You know how many you have.
784
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,160
I think 21 percent, but well,
we might…
785
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:56,880
May I say something about that?
786
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,680
- Yes, immediately...
- You're jumping from one thing to the next.
787
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,280
No, I'll just finish it for you.
788
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,040
A second alibi woman will be found
have to be satisfied.
789
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,720
Then the lovely ladies explained:
"But then he won't take any of us.
790
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,920
Then he'll be really angry with us."
791
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,400
Then I said: "If you go there
If you're afraid, I'll do it alone."
792
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,960
And had a very large press response,
when I explained:
793
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,720
"Kohl can forget about the party conference,
if he does not announce
794
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,600
that he takes a second wife."
795
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,360
He then told me,
through third parties of course,
796
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,920
I should not imagine
that I was the second wife.
797
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560
Look how it's already going.
798
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,400
In advance,
after the publication of your guidelines,
799
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,400
a politician
dared and said:
800
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,280
"Please, how about
with a second female minister?"
801
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,960
From now on, the matter was
only negotiated behind closed doors.
802
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,120
No woman dared to say anything anymore.
803
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,880
And a very exposed, very capable
Politician literally said to me:
804
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,200
"We don't want to talk about that now.
805
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,960
We know cabbage,
and if we say that again,
806
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,320
then we get
no second chair at all."
807
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,160
- That is not true.
- That's the balance of power.
808
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,800
- It's a matter of grace.
- No.
809
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,600
The cabbage has
said to Schäuble and Geißler:
810
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,000
"I'm not that stupid
811
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:19,040
and take me like Edward Heath
a Thatcher to the chest."
812
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,560
I found that particularly funny,
to find out.
813
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,600
But he had to
announce at the party conference,
814
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,760
that he has a second wife
into the cabinet,
815
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,440
and that was then
Rita SĂĽssmuth.
816
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:47,240
This is her: Rita SĂĽssmuth,
Geißler’s successor, professor.
817
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,160
Previously social worker
in Dortmund, 48 years old,
818
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,000
the new Minister for Family Affairs
from the second half of September.
819
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,480
Like Kai from the box
she came to the new office.
820
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,400
They say you are very loyal.
821
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,000
Does this go so far that you might
this word from the interim minister
822
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,800
would refer to themselves?
823
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:10,600
So I am loyal,
824
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,720
where the cause and the people
825
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,800
that require and make possible for me.
826
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,440
What is very important to me,
827
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,720
that every person represents
what he himself is.
828
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:22,040
And I am me,
829
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,280
my predecessor was a different person
and embodies what he is.
830
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,240
Pretty confident, Professor.
831
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:33,920
Some ladies in the CDU/CSU
Bundestag faction will sulk.
832
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,720
We were a bit offended, but…
833
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,400
That's true, when Rita SĂĽssmuth came.
834
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:41,520
And…
835
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,480
Do you know,
the Union was in opposition for so long.
836
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,840
No one could become anything anymore,
no one has ascended,
837
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:52,440
and the women
rowed and rowed.
838
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,200
{\an8}I then also have the beginning
perceived as very difficult.
839
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:02,280
{\an8}I also had a bad prognosis
first in the newspapers:
840
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,600
"It'll be gone in half a year."
841
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,480
{\an8}I admit, of course, this
particularly provoked to say:
842
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,520
{\an8}"I don't want that.
843
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,640
If I get involved now,
I also want to persevere."
844
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:20,280
Rita SĂĽssmuth was
yes, a career changer,
845
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,480
a woman who was conservative in her values,
846
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,960
but actually far from their time,
was far ahead.
847
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,560
She would be good today
fit into Angela Merkel's CDU.
848
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,120
Back then she was an absolute white raven
in this black pile.
849
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:36,800
And they had taken her,
850
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:42,280
to give the impression
of sustainability,
851
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,920
also against the background of the awakening
of women and the Greens in Parliament.
852
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,040
And then she saw herself
immediately confronted with the HIV crisis,
853
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,400
has taken completely unorthodox paths,
854
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,880
highly efficient,
but highly controversial within his own party.
855
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,480
In a tough exchange of blows
with the state of Bavaria
856
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,720
the minister enforces
that the fight against AIDS
857
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,080
rather with a broad
Awareness campaign and advice
858
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,720
can be reached,
than with stricter laws.
859
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,720
Tina, how much do the condoms cost?
860
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,400
{\an8}If you are for the homosexual scene
has an understanding,
861
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,040
{\an8}that's not what it's about,
but it is about
862
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,960
{\an8}that one must make it clear,
that day is against nature ,
863
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,200
thus contrary to nature, and basically
into pathological behavior.
864
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:39,680
We must finally
the protection of many in the population
865
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,960
as a central goal in mind,
and not just move around
866
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,880
who on the edge
can be understood even better.
867
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,280
This edge needs to be made thinner.
868
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,960
It needs to be thinned out.
869
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:52,560
It must be made clear
870
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:56,280
that this is for our youth
there are no future prospects.
871
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:01,280
This also showed at that time,
what is taboo:
872
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,720
the homosexuals,
873
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,600
those were all the villains,
who spread AIDS in our country.
874
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,240
And to defend yourself,
875
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,200
that of course made me
often brought into conflict
876
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,240
with official policy.
877
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,880
{\an8}You and Helmut Kohl, that was…
878
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,720
{\an8}At some point this became
a very familiar pair of opponents.
879
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,640
He was furious,
that she was so different,
880
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,280
than he thought she would be.
881
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,640
And she was quite stunned
about the macho attitudes,
882
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:37,760
which one, not only with Kohl,
but simply experienced in this environment.
883
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,440
Rita SĂĽssmuth on the way
to announce her candidacy
884
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:43,840
for the office of President of the Bundestag.
885
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,600
The Bonn powers
she had become uncomfortable.
886
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,400
Later she will also admit,
887
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,600
that she was appointed to the second highest state office
was praised away.
888
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:55,480
Everyone found this horrific.
889
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,200
And a quick attempt was made
890
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,320
one or the other project
891
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,160
to irretrievably set in motion,
892
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,120
so that this continued,
when she was no longer there
893
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:11,920
and her protective hand over
was able to hold certain important projects.
894
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,880
So I should be elected here,
895
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,440
I remain Rita SĂĽssmuth
and active politician.
896
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,120
I do not intend
To say goodbye to politics.
897
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,120
I really wanted to remain a minister.
898
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,440
And came out of the meeting
and was no longer.
899
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,440
My team,
900
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:39,040
or our team and me,
into great sadness.
901
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,240
And I thought:
"There's nothing you can do now."
902
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,280
As President of the Bundestag, she
also made something of the job, yes?
903
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,720
You can be President of the Bundestag
use very differently.
904
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:55,120
And she has for the cause of women
also made a lot of progress.
905
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,320
And again and again,
also with others, with all questions,
906
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,560
she always warned
put her finger in the wound.
907
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,600
Many initially thought:
"Now she's calm.
908
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,720
Now we've silenced them."
909
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,320
But she knew
that was the hope,
910
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,480
and she didn't give in.
911
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,040
Rita SĂĽssmuth is causing unrest
912
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,040
at the Bremen party conference
in September 1989,
913
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,400
when she was at the side of Lothar Späth
and Heiner Geissler
914
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,240
the Chancellor
vainly contests power.
915
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,000
What would actually
the CDU has become a people’s party,
916
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:34,320
if we do not hold the Women’s Party Congress
in Essen,
917
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:39,680
As a result, for example,
and I say this quite consciously,
918
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,040
not the most politically significant,
919
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,040
most popular and respected woman
in our midst,
920
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,960
namely Rita SĂĽssmuth.
921
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,200
What would happen then?
922
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,720
He probably had this picture of me:
"die brave Katholikin".
923
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,160
"One of our own."
924
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,160
And I wasn't.
925
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:26,160
And I would have had to betray myself completely,
if I had lived this picture.
926
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,000
Well… it’s nice.
927
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,920
The air is the most beautiful thing here.
928
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:42,760
I have observed
that you have a preference for boots.
929
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,520
And I know
that you are in the service of the party
930
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,920
have already gone through many a pair.
931
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,440
Of course
are these boots black,
932
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,680
and they should…
933
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,080
But above all, they should help you
934
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:09,640
the next election campaigns at the side
to successfully overcome her husband's death.
935
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,800
Petra Kelly carries her own things.
936
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,160
No pity, but some men
watch the Greens,
937
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,840
how this woman works hard,
until she falls over.
938
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,160
After all, she is emancipated.
939
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,880
In German:
everything she does is her own fault.
940
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,400
You are a woman like many others,
who suffer from
941
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,560
when they are in the shadow of the man.
942
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,480
That's what you always say.
943
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,200
It doesn't bother you, I'll ask again,
944
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,200
a mute,
albeit an attractive marginal figure?
945
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,840
You have mute
now claimed again.
946
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,920
But they are not always there.
947
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,160
I have participated in many state visits.
948
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,960
She excelled on her trips abroad,
949
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,640
fluent in English,
Fluent in French,
950
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,480
which was the case with Chancellor Kohl
was not the case.
951
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,560
I have many impressions
also got about this marriage,
952
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,200
but it would never have occurred to me
to write or talk about it.
953
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,320
I don't even have
talked to my husband about it.
954
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,040
Because this woman
was totally underestimated by many.
955
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:38,160
You also talked about
To bring tenderness into politics.
956
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,560
What does this mean, should politicians
hug or even kiss?
957
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,720
I wouldn't mind
but enough people do that.
958
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:46,280
But they do so formally.
959
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:50,280
No, tenderness in politics is
that it must be there for people,
960
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,280
it is charity in politics.
961
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:53,960
Tenderness also means
962
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,760
the integrity of that
what you want to protect,
963
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,640
that you always do this carefully.
964
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,960
Politics is cautious, or has to be,
965
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,600
if she wants to be ecological
or should be.
966
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,680
Tenderness also means
to approach each other,
967
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,120
to reduce the enemy image,
968
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,400
not just out there, but also inside us.
969
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:17,280
What does it look like now?
970
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:19,040
With the Greens…
971
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,207
We finally won
at the federal level!
972
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,200
For me, Petra Kelly was
the first global female politician.
973
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:44,200
She has the right to self-determination
people took it very seriously.
974
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,200
The Australian and American
Native people, but also the Black people…
975
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,680
The Black Power Movement.
976
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,960
Everyone referred to her.
She received baskets full of mail.
977
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,720
Mr. Beuys, Petra Kelly is not easy,
978
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,840
not easy to describe
in their diversity,
979
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,880
in their commitment.
980
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,160
What would you say?
Is it a small work of art?
981
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,560
Yes, I would say
a great work of art, if anything.
982
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:14,520
A big, important and powerful
Artwork within the movement.
983
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,640
Naturally,
She is, above all, human.
984
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,320
And this humanity
985
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,720
really comes without inhibition
fully expressed
986
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,480
and cannot be stopped,
cannot be stopped either.
987
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,760
Many would like
that the Petra finally stops,
988
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,840
but she cannot be stopped,
Thank God not.
989
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,560
Her husband is occasionally accused of
990
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,640
for all talents
he is basically provincial.
991
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,160
And this judgment
immediately rubs off on his wife.
992
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:47,280
Oh right.
993
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,400
Does it offend you when someone says:
994
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,240
"This Mrs. Kohl still has
a trace of provincial character,
995
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,920
Appearance, appearance"?
996
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,000
Everyone has to come from somewhere.
997
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,960
And that is for me
with provinciality difficult.
998
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,320
You said in the opening credits,
I moved 17 times.
999
01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:09,200
That's not true, it was 19 times.
And where is the province after all?
1000
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,520
Tell me.
1001
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,120
Yes, yes, we can use the 17 or 19 places,
as you say, everyone...
1002
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,720
- You know what I mean.
- Secure.
1003
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,440
I know you want to
move away in a serpentine manner.
1004
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,040
So you keep
not for provincial?
1005
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,840
My personal opinion
What do you want to hear from me?
1006
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:27,320
Am I provincial?
1007
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:28,760
- Just say it.
- Yes.
1008
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,480
- No.
- No. Period.
1009
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,640
- Out of.
- Thanks.
1010
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:35,720
Ms. Kelly, you said earlier,
1011
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,240
the movement is so strong in itself,
1012
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,400
that has nothing to do with the media.
1013
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,200
I have you today
heard talk for the first time,
1014
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,960
and yet it has
a lot to do with the media.
1015
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,120
The media had…
1016
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,320
They drew a picture of you,
that I thought:
1017
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:56,720
"Wonder who will appear here."
And then this speech, oh my God!
1018
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,640
In Parliament, the
deprived of its effect.
1019
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,160
For me the picture is like a deer,
what they then do in such a…
1020
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,200
into such a... into this space.
1021
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,760
Suddenly all the magic was gone.
1022
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,520
She really has
didn't seem that way anymore
1023
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:16,080
and then also
incited the conservative colleagues,
1024
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,360
to mock them.
1025
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:21,440
I must say, since I have been in Bonn,
I'm becoming more and more misogynistic.
1026
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:27,080
I say this out of concern,
because for the first time I gained my self-confidence,
1027
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,160
everything that makes me safe
in public,
1028
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,400
lost in speaking in the Bundestag.
1029
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,280
That I get terribly afraid,
I say this openly,
1030
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:38,760
an anxiety, a fear,
to speak in the Bundestag.
1031
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,920
I am worried because I see
how it wears out,
1032
01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:43,680
wears out unnecessarily.
1033
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:49,320
How she gives too much of herself,
how she lets herself be torn to pieces.
1034
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:53,480
And of course I’m also a little afraid,
that it is marketed.
1035
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,840
This is the great danger for everyone,
who becomes prominent.
1036
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:01,040
Yes, the scale is applied
with any actors,
1037
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,560
Let's be honest,
1038
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,160
which exclusively
trimmed for this role,
1039
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:08,800
to be styled, made, painted
and then have their text.
1040
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:13,680
If it didn’t work out,
then repeat this 30 times, good.
1041
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:14,760
And that's great.
1042
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,720
We are then up at eight in the evening
1043
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,400
after five interviews
and other activities
1044
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,480
and then must
in free fall, so to speak.
1045
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,520
The lives of former Green Party MPs
1046
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,800
Petra Kelly and Gerd Bastian
ended in tragedy.
1047
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,440
The investigators announced in the afternoon
the cause of death is known:
1048
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,440
Then shot
the former Bundeswehr general
1049
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,640
his 44-year-old partner.
1050
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,240
Bastian then committed suicide.
1051
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,360
About the background
there is still uncertainty.
1052
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,480
Gert Bastian may have thought,
1053
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,280
if he himself
can no longer care for them,
1054
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,480
then it will perish.
1055
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,000
That was a completely
wrong assessment.
1056
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,720
Also a patriarchal
protective assessment.
1057
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,000
It could have been
that Petra Kelly had a burnout,
1058
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,480
as we say today,
would have folded
1059
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,040
and would have disappeared for a long time,
in a health resort or somewhere else.
1060
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:28,920
But I am 100 percent convinced,
that Petra, when she had grown old,
1061
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,760
if she had had the chance,
1062
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,600
could have found a second wind.
1063
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,880
Hannelore Kohl, the wife
the former Chancellor, is dead.
1064
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,520
She took in her house
in Ludwigshafen-Oggersheim.
1065
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,040
In farewell letters
to family and friends
1066
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,360
She justified the step with her
serious illness, a light allergy.
1067
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:00,760
She had therefore
can hardly leave the house anymore.
1068
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,520
After the funeral
Bernhard Vogel told me,
1069
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,920
he once visited Hannelore
and had arranged to meet her,
1070
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,720
he wanted to go out to dinner with her.
1071
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,280
And Hannelore
was wearing a white silk blouse,
1072
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:24,080
that fell over the hands,
had such wide sleeves.
1073
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:29,440
And then he sees,
how dark spots appear,
1074
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,200
wet spots.
1075
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:37,280
And then Hannelore sees that he
looks there and throws his arm back.
1076
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,200
And there was raw meat.
1077
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,000
And then the bird said:
1078
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,840
"That so… that a person
could not continue living like this,
1079
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,640
I then understood that."
1080
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,360
The word now has
colleague Otto Schily, SPD.
1081
01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:22,640
Allow me at this point
some personal remarks.
1082
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,080
My uncle Fritz Schily,
1083
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:39,960
a man of pure character,
was a colonel in the Air Force.
1084
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,480
At the end of the war
1085
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:48,800
he was…
1086
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,160
Excuse me.
1087
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,640
After weeks of dispute,
currently in Munich the exhibition:
1088
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,520
War of annihilation: crimes
the Wehrmacht from 1941 to 1944.
1089
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,400
Mayor Ude
accused the CSU today of
1090
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,000
she bears the responsibility
for the nationwide response
1091
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,640
a neo-Nazi campaign
against the exhibition.
1092
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:23,080
I feel inspired by the exhibition
insulted about my father.
1093
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,680
{\an8}In my opinion,
incitement to hatred,
1094
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:27,640
what this exhibition is about.
1095
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:31,320
{\an8}Defamation of the memory of the deceased.
1096
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:32,560
Buh!
1097
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,800
- This is not…
- Asshole!
1098
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,880
- …to show…
- Oh my god, we don't want you!
1099
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:42,800
The press lies.
1100
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,640
The press lies.
1101
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,480
He wants to say something,
what you might like.
1102
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,960
The press is lying!
1103
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,720
I remember how my sister
and I went to the Wehrmacht exhibition…
1104
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,080
…visited the Wehrmacht exhibition,
1105
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,640
with what trepidation we are there.
1106
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,560
We didn't talk about it,
only when we were outside again.
1107
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,320
We both had the same fear:
1108
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:10,400
"Hopefully we don't see…"
Which would have been a crazy coincidence.
1109
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,200
"Hopefully we will see
not our dad."
1110
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,720
This bothered both of us a lot,
and I believe
1111
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,600
that happened to many people
our generation so,
1112
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,560
that they were afraid
1113
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,200
a father or grandfather or brother,
1114
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,760
to see someone like that,
that you don't want to see there.
1115
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,400
Then you also have
right up to the Bundestag debates,
1116
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,840
what everyone actually knew,
but what was a no-go topic,
1117
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,360
where nobody talked about it, a big taboo…
1118
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,920
Then it became public
discussed, also in families,
1119
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,320
that actually all
had such experiences
1120
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,720
and that it was like, yes, like a lead blanket
1121
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,000
on the German
post-war society.
1122
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,720
So this question is about
1123
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:02,880
about our relationship with a
entire generation of our people.
1124
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,800
Whoever tries, and there are such attempts,
1125
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,880
the entire war generation
1126
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,200
as relatives and helpers
to label a criminal gang,
1127
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:19,360
who wants to hit Germany to the core,
and we fight against it.
1128
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,720
My colleague Nickels, please.
1129
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,440
Mr President,
Dear Colleagues.
1130
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,240
My mother said,
that my father in the 50s,
1131
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:32,240
a seasoned man who is hard
worked all his life,
1132
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,840
no night
slept with the window open,
1133
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,480
every night while sleeping
screamed terribly:
1134
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:41,400
from fire, from children
and that it was simply horrible.
1135
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,080
Mean…
1136
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,800
My father
Of course I loved it very much.
1137
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:48,920
All the time…
1138
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,120
I have never heard
that he told what it is like,
1139
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,640
if you look at a
have to shoot people.
1140
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:58,320
Then this handshake was
from our Chancellor and from Reagan
1141
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,200
in Bitburg at the cemetery,
with the Waffen-SS.
1142
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,080
That’s when I first noticed
1143
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,600
that the only photo
from my father from this time
1144
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,400
a uniform shows,
which is also black and has skulls.
1145
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,920
I was already there
in the Bundestag for the Greens.
1146
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,400
I didn't dare,
to ask my father,
1147
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,320
because it was incredibly difficult for me.
1148
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:22,160
I wouldn't have had the heart to do that,
I couldn't do that.
1149
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:27,960
Then in '89 I was with the Alliance Greens
Bundestag faction in Warsaw.
1150
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:32,200
50 years since the invasion of Poland.
We were there in Majdanek.
1151
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,600
And I only know
that Dad was in France,
1152
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,840
in Russia and in Poland, and I know
1153
01:25:37,960 --> 01:25:40,920
that he was in Lviv
was taken prisoner.
1154
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,320
Then I was in the KZ in Majdanek,
and I tell you:
1155
01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:47,040
I'm there at night
literally collapsed,
1156
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,680
terribly shocked
about the one in Majdanek,
1157
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,600
but also about that,
what was done to these men,
1158
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:55,680
which also included my father.
1159
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,800
These were predominantly men,
who loved life,
1160
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:00,040
the children loved.
1161
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,960
What these men have become
in this criminal war.
1162
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,880
And what they did not have the strength for,
to escape from it.
1163
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,520
They all have infinite,
terrible guilt upon himself
1164
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,560
and did not have the strength
to escape from it.
1165
01:26:13,480 --> 01:26:16,240
All the men
and the women and the children…
1166
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:19,080
I am the daughter
from... from such a soldier.
1167
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,120
…are still influenced by this today.
1168
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,960
And Mr. Dregger, that's not true,
that if you show the wounds,
1169
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:30,400
without makeup, and begins,
maybe talk about it,
1170
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,480
that the affected people
covered in dirt
1171
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,560
or put it in a corner.
1172
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:41,400
On the contrary, the best
what could happen to us would be
1173
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,440
if we could create a climate
in Germany,
1174
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,320
where the old fathers,
the old mothers and the children,
1175
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:50,000
more or less old,
I am now 45 years old,
1176
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:53,480
finally at the table
be able to talk about it, calmly,
1177
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,680
what happened to them.
1178
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,240
It is important for me to say,
and the debate impresses me.
1179
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,600
I thought hard,
whether I should say that,
1180
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:04,000
because of course someone always says:
1181
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,720
"How can you do that?
That was your father."
1182
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:08,960
But I feel it
not as nest-fouling.
1183
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:10,720
Everyone who knows me knows
1184
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,120
how much I love my parents
and love and have loved my father.
1185
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:18,360
If this debate perhaps
was something style-forming, then in that
1186
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:22,280
that one can begin
here the political reflection
1187
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,120
and your own story
honest, unvarnished,
1188
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:28,440
in simple, albeit
terrible images.
1189
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,800
That is what I wish,
and this Wehrmacht exhibition
1190
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,160
can do exactly that
possibly set in motion,
1191
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:38,280
if you don't start,
to patch up the wounds,
1192
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:42,200
to give cheap consolation,
which is not bread, but stones,
1193
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:44,040
by giving those
which were linked in it,
1194
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,200
in retrospect says:
1195
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,880
"It shall not hurt you anymore,
because you were forced to."
1196
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,160
That doesn't help. Thank you.
1197
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,800
Mr. Dr. Dregger please…
1198
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,720
Are women too modest in politics?
1199
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,720
They say they don't think about the majority.
1200
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:53,400
There are more female
than male voters.
1201
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,680
But remember,
one could be equally strong
1202
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,720
or more strongly in parliaments,
1203
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,000
one could
female Prime Minister,
1204
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,320
female party leaders
or a female chancellor?
1205
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,040
That wouldn't have worked at all.
1206
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,240
You just have to
stay grounded.
1207
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:14,800
So in the 70s and 80s
A woman as Chancellor was unimaginable.
1208
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,000
Unimaginable, yes.
1209
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:18,400
You can't
jump out of the test tube.
1210
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:22,560
Even if you have all the gifts
blessed that one would have to have,
1211
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:24,240
it wouldn't have helped.
1212
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:25,800
There would be a…
1213
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,560
If the choice had been between
the best woman of all in the 70s
1214
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,440
and a stupid August,
would have become Chancellor.
1215
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,160
Yes, ready.
1216
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,400
That was no question at all.
1217
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:40,160
I always dreamed of
To become Chancellor, quite honestly.
1218
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,480
And there was a man,
who said that.
1219
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,640
There is an old interview in Der Spiegel,
1220
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:50,480
who he can imagine as Chancellor,
by Franz Josef Strauss.
1221
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,720
He mentioned Renate Hellwig.
1222
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,120
This was of course for Helmut Kohl
the absolute red rag.
1223
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,480
But Strauss doesn’t have that for you
but to annoy Kohl.
1224
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,720
- Yes but…
- Nee…
1225
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:07,160
After all, he would have
had no one else but me.
1226
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,480
I have been appointed Federal Chairwoman
the Young Democrats is running.
1227
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,480
We know,
but that was now the Chancellor's question.
1228
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,080
Yes, that…
1229
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,280
You would have been great.
1230
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,680
That may be fine. On the other hand...
1231
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,960
I have Chancellors…
1232
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:28,960
…always partly these extreme,
1233
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,360
unconditional, over dead bodies
going will to power
1234
01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:35,240
partly seen,
1235
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,800
partly admired, partly feared.
1236
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,080
But I never really wanted to become like that.
1237
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:44,200
And if it had worked without that,
then maybe.
1238
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,160
And why can you
then don't say: "Yes sir..."
1239
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,320
Now speaking very abstractly.
"I would have."
1240
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,040
- No, I can't.
- Yes!
1241
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:54,560
Do you seriously believe
1242
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,720
that my party
to an offer of talks from Mrs Merkel
1243
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:00,680
in this situation,
1244
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,800
by saying,
she wants to become Chancellor?
1245
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,480
We must the church
also leave it in the village.
1246
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:11,680
{\an8}The Germans… The Germans have
voted clearly on the candidate question.
1247
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:17,200
I swear that I will use my strength
dedicate to the welfare of the German people,
1248
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:21,360
increase its benefits,
avert harm from him,
1249
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,920
the Basic Law and the laws
preserve and defend the Covenant,
1250
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,920
fulfill my duties conscientiously
1251
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,320
and justice
against everyone,
1252
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,600
so help me God.
1253
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,920
Sometimes you could
despair of history.
1254
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,880
But sometimes you want
also give short-term cheers.
1255
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:48,800
I mean,
Of course I can’t share everything,
1256
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,000
what Angela Merkel does politically.
1257
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,480
But I think it
really great that…
1258
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:59,040
How she became Chancellor
and that she has been Chancellor for so long.
1259
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:03,480
She is at least an expert,
how she deals with power.
1260
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:09,200
And how they all their older
or younger competitors,
1261
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:10,400
is impressive.
1262
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:15,400
It must appear smooth,
but hard fought.
1263
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:16,960
I learned that too.
1264
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:21,400
I know that this
Word "fight" among women
1265
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:26,120
and certainly not in the
Man-woman relationship is the right word,
1266
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,000
but it is the right thing to do.
1267
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,040
In 1908, women were allowed
not even at political events,
1268
01:32:55,440 --> 01:32:57,480
do not attend political clubs.
1269
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,920
In 1918 they were granted the right to vote for the first time.
1270
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,080
Then they have it
taken away again.
1271
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,520
Did their wife stand by during the war,
1272
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:12,640
but then they could be
push back to the stove,
1273
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,800
made room for those
who returned from the war.
1274
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:20,240
It just has…
Everything just takes time.
1275
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:22,800
Because it is a fight,
a power struggle.
1276
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,880
Every position that today
taken by a woman,
1277
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:28,160
will no longer
taken by a man.
1278
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,200
Of course they have something to lose.
1279
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,800
To make it clear
that you don't lose anything,
1280
01:33:32,920 --> 01:33:36,480
but that it might be better
when both do something together,
1281
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,640
this awareness,
that this is reflected in people’s minds,
1282
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,120
that's hard to plant.
1283
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,920
But maybe we can do it
in the next 25 years.
1284
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:54,760
I think so.
1285
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,080
Well then…
1286
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:09,320
I am woman, hear me roar
1287
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:12,360
In numbers too big to ignore
1288
01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:18,000
And I know too much
To go back and pretend
1289
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,680
'cause I've heard it all before
1290
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,480
And I've been down there on the floor
1291
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,560
No one's ever going to keep me down again
1292
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,080
- Oh yes, I am wise
- Yes, I am wise
1293
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:34,240
But it's wisdom born of pain
1294
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:38,120
- Oh
- Yes, I've paid the price
1295
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,760
But look how much I gained
1296
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,400
- If I have to
- Have to
1297
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:46,120
- I can do anything
- Anything
1298
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,200
- I am strong
- Strong
1299
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:51,720
- I am invincible
- Invincible
1300
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,200
I am woman
1301
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,360
You can bend but never break me
1302
01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:05,920
'cause it only serves to make me
1303
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:11,040
{\an8}More determined
to achieve my final goal
1304
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,560
{\an8}And I'll come back even stronger
1305
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,360
{\an8}Not a novice any longer
1306
01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:21,000
{\an8}'cause you've deepened
the conviction in my soul
1307
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,720
{\an8}Whoa, yes, I am wise
1308
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:29,080
{\an8}But it's wisdom born of pain
1309
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,640
Yes, I've paid the price
1310
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,200
But look how much I gained
1311
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:38,760
If I have to, I can do anything
1312
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:42,360
{\an8}- I am strong
- Strong
1313
01:36:42,440 --> 01:36:45,560
{\an8}- I am invincible
- Invincible
1314
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,080
{\an8}I am woman
1315
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,560
{\an8}I am woman, watch me grow
1316
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,200
{\an8}See me standing toe-to-toe
1317
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:04,480
{\an8}As I spread my loving arms
across the land
1318
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,200
{\an8}But I'm still an embryo
1319
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:09,920
{\an8}With a long, long way to go
1320
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:16,520
{\an8}Until I make my brother understand
1321
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,920
Whoa, yes, I am wise
1322
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,000
But it's wisdom born of pain
1323
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:24,440
{\an8}Yes, I've paid the price
1324
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,560
{\an8}But look how much I've gained
1325
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:32,440
{\an8}If I have to, I can face anything
1326
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:35,560
{\an8}- I am strong
- Strong
1327
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,320
- I am invincible
- Invincible
1328
01:37:38,440 --> 01:37:43,160
I am woman
1329
01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:48,200
- Oh, I am woman
- I am woman
1330
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,400
I am invincible
1331
01:37:52,520 --> 01:37:54,560
I am strong
1332
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:59,480
- I am woman
- I am woman
1333
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,720
I am invincible
1334
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,920
I am strong
1335
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:09,120
I am woman112713