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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:21,396 --> 00:00:23,148 This was my house. 2 00:00:23,231 --> 00:00:25,483 I decorated it. I weeded it. 3 00:00:25,567 --> 00:00:28,611 I planted. I mowed. I did everything. 4 00:00:30,655 --> 00:00:31,656 I was happy. 5 00:00:32,741 --> 00:00:33,867 Ryder loved it here. 6 00:00:35,452 --> 00:00:37,704 But seeing it, it just makes me angry. 7 00:00:40,331 --> 00:00:44,586 I really have a hard time believing that the person that I've known for 25 years, 8 00:00:45,587 --> 00:00:48,006 my best friend and roommate, 9 00:00:48,089 --> 00:00:49,424 could do what she did. 10 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,719 But it was diabolical. 11 00:00:52,802 --> 00:00:54,054 It was evil. 12 00:00:54,763 --> 00:00:57,599 It was plotted and planned so perfectly. 13 00:01:00,602 --> 00:01:03,730 She found joy in tormenting me. 14 00:01:05,774 --> 00:01:07,734 I don't think I was human to her. 15 00:01:09,486 --> 00:01:10,987 I think if I had died, 16 00:01:12,113 --> 00:01:14,699 she would have sat in this house with my child, 17 00:01:16,034 --> 00:01:19,788 and I don't think she would have ever thought of it again. 18 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:33,802 I met Janie in 1995. 19 00:01:34,385 --> 00:01:40,058 I was 22, and she was four years older than me. 20 00:01:41,184 --> 00:01:43,186 She was a very nice person. 21 00:01:43,269 --> 00:01:44,437 Very sweet. 22 00:01:44,521 --> 00:01:48,608 A little bit shyish and introverted. 23 00:01:49,609 --> 00:01:53,238 When we met and we started hanging out socially, 24 00:01:53,321 --> 00:01:56,074 I had gone through a divorce 25 00:01:56,157 --> 00:02:00,662 and, um, moved back to my parents' home. 26 00:02:02,413 --> 00:02:05,917 Rachel and I were very close when she was growing up. 27 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,295 {\an8}She's the sixth out of seven children. 28 00:02:10,713 --> 00:02:13,800 Rachel's first husband was quite opinionated. 29 00:02:14,300 --> 00:02:16,803 He wanted things done his way. 30 00:02:17,303 --> 00:02:20,348 And I think it was a bad start for her, 31 00:02:20,431 --> 00:02:22,934 and I think that's why it ended so quickly. 32 00:02:24,978 --> 00:02:26,729 After Rachel's divorce, 33 00:02:26,813 --> 00:02:30,733 I think she felt probably not as confident 34 00:02:30,817 --> 00:02:33,278 as maybe she should have. 35 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:37,240 And that's when she met Janie. 36 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:45,248 I was so used to being constantly criticized. 37 00:02:46,082 --> 00:02:47,292 But she didn't judge me. 38 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:51,629 {\an8}And it felt like I finally found somebody who was letting me be me. 39 00:02:53,381 --> 00:02:57,468 I lived at home with my parents, but was hoping to get out. 40 00:02:58,428 --> 00:03:00,722 And she had lived in an apartment by herself 41 00:03:00,805 --> 00:03:03,558 that had gotten broken into, and she didn't want to live alone. 42 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:06,561 We'd only known each other a couple months, 43 00:03:06,644 --> 00:03:10,273 but we just looked at each other and, "Okay, there's the solution." 44 00:03:15,486 --> 00:03:18,448 When I first moved in with Janie, I felt very safe. 45 00:03:19,032 --> 00:03:21,117 I had never lived alone. 46 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:24,370 I went from my dad's house, to college, to married. 47 00:03:25,580 --> 00:03:29,459 Her strengths were the finances, making sure bills were paid. 48 00:03:29,542 --> 00:03:31,836 You know, we had my money and her money, 49 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,380 but she still made decisions about what I did with my money, 50 00:03:34,464 --> 00:03:35,464 and what I bought. 51 00:03:36,257 --> 00:03:39,677 And so she just seemed so adult to me. 52 00:03:41,346 --> 00:03:44,891 She just quietly taught me how to do some of these things. 53 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:49,854 {\an8}And my strengths were helping her make friends, 54 00:03:50,939 --> 00:03:52,941 but also helping her have fun. 55 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:58,905 Janie and I, we'd go, you know, to bars or go dancing. 56 00:03:58,988 --> 00:04:01,032 We'd sometimes pretend like I didn't speak English 57 00:04:01,115 --> 00:04:02,533 and she was my interpreter. 58 00:04:03,534 --> 00:04:06,246 We were immature and kind of silly, 59 00:04:06,329 --> 00:04:08,039 but we had fun. 60 00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:15,129 {\an8}When we first met Janie, we did not, uh... 61 00:04:16,673 --> 00:04:19,342 {\an8}think she was as odd as she ended up being. 62 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:24,973 I think Janie had not really had very many girlfriends 63 00:04:25,056 --> 00:04:26,391 or friends growing up, 64 00:04:26,474 --> 00:04:31,729 and she attached herself to Rachel and really, I think, 65 00:04:31,813 --> 00:04:35,650 kind of tried to be like her and... and wanted to, you know, 66 00:04:35,733 --> 00:04:38,611 dress like her and... and be her friend. 67 00:04:40,905 --> 00:04:44,242 When I met Rachel, initially, it was just in passing 68 00:04:44,325 --> 00:04:45,660 because I was still a student 69 00:04:45,743 --> 00:04:47,912 {\an8}at the University of Utah School of Medicine, 70 00:04:47,996 --> 00:04:50,039 {\an8}doing rotations through the emergency department, 71 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:51,123 {\an8}and she was a paramedic. 72 00:04:51,165 --> 00:04:54,252 And so, you know, you become friendly with the people 73 00:04:54,335 --> 00:04:56,087 who drop patients off. 74 00:04:57,672 --> 00:05:01,843 Rachel was fun and gregarious, and always out and about, 75 00:05:01,926 --> 00:05:04,929 and dating, and had friends and a great job. 76 00:05:06,764 --> 00:05:10,893 As gregarious and outgoing as Rachel is, 77 00:05:11,394 --> 00:05:14,605 Janie was the yang to that yin. 78 00:05:14,689 --> 00:05:17,358 So quiet, reserved. 79 00:05:17,442 --> 00:05:20,570 Any time that we would maybe go out dancing, 80 00:05:20,653 --> 00:05:25,325 if someone would come to try to talk with Rachel or maybe ask her to dance, 81 00:05:26,367 --> 00:05:29,495 there was an air of resentment that would come over Janie. 82 00:05:30,663 --> 00:05:35,043 There was this undercurrent, always, of possessiveness 83 00:05:35,126 --> 00:05:38,296 that was directed toward Rachel. 84 00:05:40,631 --> 00:05:43,885 I eventually met this guy. 85 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:48,431 He was dreamy, and I was just head over heels. 86 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,894 Janie started to react differently. 87 00:05:53,936 --> 00:05:59,275 She was very aggressive in her, you know, opinions of him. 88 00:06:00,276 --> 00:06:03,738 And something in her changed, and it was very dark. 89 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,075 I'd never seen that side of her. 90 00:06:09,535 --> 00:06:11,037 We'd be watching a movie, 91 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,800 and she'd stand at the bottom of the stairs 92 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:17,752 and scream at the top of her lungs at me about how loud the movie was. 93 00:06:18,544 --> 00:06:19,837 It was embarrassing. 94 00:06:20,338 --> 00:06:22,715 But her excuse was always, 95 00:06:22,799 --> 00:06:25,676 "I'm protective of you because he seems like he's a player." 96 00:06:26,677 --> 00:06:30,306 So I felt bad for even being upset with her. 97 00:06:32,350 --> 00:06:36,062 I initially thought that it was an instance 98 00:06:36,145 --> 00:06:38,981 of unrequited love, 99 00:06:39,065 --> 00:06:42,235 or some sort of jilting of someone 100 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:45,279 who wanted to be in a romantic relationship 101 00:06:45,363 --> 00:06:46,447 with her best friend. 102 00:06:47,532 --> 00:06:49,117 That kind of began the era 103 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,662 where everyone thought that she was in love with me. 104 00:06:52,745 --> 00:06:53,830 And she wasn't. 105 00:06:54,539 --> 00:06:55,748 She's not in love with me. 106 00:06:56,833 --> 00:07:02,130 But then she started to get jealous if I made friends. 107 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,510 She would almost incoherently start screaming at me. 108 00:07:07,593 --> 00:07:11,013 In front of the person, she would call me a whore. 109 00:07:13,808 --> 00:07:17,645 When I would ask her, "Do you just not like me?" 110 00:07:18,354 --> 00:07:22,525 she would say, "You're my family. I just don't want to lose you." 111 00:07:24,694 --> 00:07:25,694 So... 112 00:07:28,239 --> 00:07:30,116 You know, looking back, it's easy to see 113 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:32,702 some of the controlling nature that was going on. 114 00:07:33,411 --> 00:07:38,749 And it worked because eventually I did slim down my social activities 115 00:07:38,833 --> 00:07:39,833 to suit her 116 00:07:40,418 --> 00:07:43,421 because I felt like I was being a bad person. 117 00:07:46,132 --> 00:07:52,221 Their friendship seemed to be one born out of a balance of highs and lows 118 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:55,725 and that glue of opposites attract. 119 00:07:55,808 --> 00:07:59,520 And perhaps somewhere in there, a codependency developed. 120 00:08:08,863 --> 00:08:13,534 I was a paramedic for six years, and then I hurt my back. 121 00:08:14,577 --> 00:08:18,998 {\an8}I herniated a disc, and I tried to go back to work, 122 00:08:19,081 --> 00:08:22,043 and I just kept hurting it. 123 00:08:22,835 --> 00:08:25,755 The doctor's saying I can't sit for X amount of time, 124 00:08:25,838 --> 00:08:27,715 I can't lift more than ten pounds. 125 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:30,718 And so because of, um, the back injury, 126 00:08:30,801 --> 00:08:32,970 I was no longer able to work as a paramedic. 127 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:38,100 Prior to that, Janie took care of the money issues, 128 00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:39,977 but I contributed financially. 129 00:08:40,561 --> 00:08:42,396 And for the first time, I didn't. 130 00:08:43,147 --> 00:08:44,774 And I felt guilty about that. 131 00:08:47,193 --> 00:08:50,363 I was always big into fitness and being active, 132 00:08:50,947 --> 00:08:53,199 my career, and being social. 133 00:08:54,408 --> 00:08:58,246 All three of those things were taken away immediately. 134 00:08:59,038 --> 00:09:03,709 And it was a very short period of time between this happening 135 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:06,629 and then I found out I was pregnant at the same time. 136 00:09:07,922 --> 00:09:11,133 It was a situation where the biological father, 137 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:12,385 he opted out. 138 00:09:15,012 --> 00:09:19,225 Janie and I, we had at this point been roommates for many, many years. 139 00:09:21,018 --> 00:09:24,063 And for the first time in our friendship, 140 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:27,984 Janie had 100% control over me 141 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:32,405 because I didn't have a job, I was pregnant, 142 00:09:32,488 --> 00:09:35,783 I had a back injury, and I was in so much pain, 143 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:37,910 I needed her. 144 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:42,331 So it... it was tough. It was really, really tough. 145 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:48,170 I didn't have anything that I enjoyed 146 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:50,715 other than Ryder. 147 00:09:51,841 --> 00:09:54,093 Can you describe Ryder? 148 00:09:55,011 --> 00:09:57,305 Ryder, please leave. 149 00:09:57,388 --> 00:09:59,974 He will walk around trying to get everyone to... 150 00:10:00,057 --> 00:10:02,768 Ryder... Ryder, come here. 151 00:10:08,357 --> 00:10:09,817 Ryder is magic. 152 00:10:11,027 --> 00:10:12,778 He's the best thing I've ever done. 153 00:10:15,489 --> 00:10:17,992 Ryder was born in 2010. 154 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:22,955 Ryder has autism, 155 00:10:23,039 --> 00:10:26,208 and so he's conversationally nonverbal. 156 00:10:28,836 --> 00:10:31,964 When he was young, they told me that he likely wouldn't speak at all, 157 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:35,426 because by a certain age, he didn't have any verbal skills. 158 00:10:39,138 --> 00:10:42,850 I'm big into music because I was always in dance, and I... 159 00:10:42,933 --> 00:10:46,020 When I run, I lose myself in music. I put headphones on. 160 00:10:47,188 --> 00:10:52,735 And so for the next 18 months, I sang everything to him. 161 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:56,197 Because the neuroplasticity, 162 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,075 it's a different pathway for speech than in singing, 163 00:10:59,158 --> 00:11:01,786 and so I knew that if the speech one wasn't working, 164 00:11:01,869 --> 00:11:04,664 I was trying to get that... get the music one. 165 00:11:05,414 --> 00:11:11,921 ♪ Sleep in heavenly peace... ♪ 166 00:11:12,004 --> 00:11:13,506 And it worked. 167 00:11:14,423 --> 00:11:17,468 Ryder's first words were songs. 168 00:11:19,887 --> 00:11:24,767 And he still, to this day, headphones on, loses himself to music. 169 00:11:26,102 --> 00:11:28,270 He's... Like I said, he's magic. 170 00:11:30,940 --> 00:11:33,567 Being a single mom, when he was born, 171 00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:39,031 the first thing I did was get a large, large life insurance policy. 172 00:11:39,115 --> 00:11:43,202 And whoever had control of Ryder 173 00:11:43,285 --> 00:11:45,955 would get the life insurance policy for his care. 174 00:11:50,626 --> 00:11:54,880 Janie was listed as the guardian of Ryder in my will. 175 00:11:56,716 --> 00:11:59,885 I trusted her 100%. 176 00:12:01,595 --> 00:12:03,639 Which I paid for later. 177 00:12:07,184 --> 00:12:09,145 After I had my son, 178 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:14,984 I herniated a disc once again from having the delivery. 179 00:12:16,193 --> 00:12:20,406 I was in a lot of pain, but I thought, "You'll get better." 180 00:12:20,489 --> 00:12:23,451 People herniate their discs, and it doesn't always turn into surgery. 181 00:12:24,702 --> 00:12:27,663 So I let it go for a really long time because I just was convinced 182 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:30,958 that I could live life as normally as I could. 183 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:35,379 Eventually, I had to do an MRI. 184 00:12:36,839 --> 00:12:37,882 The doctor said, 185 00:12:37,965 --> 00:12:41,260 "You need surgery or else you're gonna have permanent disability." 186 00:12:45,556 --> 00:12:48,225 When I had had the surgery in 2015, 187 00:12:48,893 --> 00:12:52,813 {\an8}Janie and I, at this point, had been friends for over 20 years. 188 00:12:55,065 --> 00:12:57,693 When I would first get home from the surgery, 189 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:03,949 I had to take pain medication to control a ridiculous amount of physical pain. 190 00:13:05,326 --> 00:13:08,537 Most of the time, I would just lay in bed. 191 00:13:11,165 --> 00:13:16,796 Janie would watch this happen and feel bad for me. 192 00:13:17,421 --> 00:13:20,132 And so she started taking care of Ryder. 193 00:13:22,593 --> 00:13:24,595 Because of Rachel's back injury, 194 00:13:24,678 --> 00:13:28,808 she wasn't really able to pick him up and care for him. 195 00:13:29,683 --> 00:13:34,855 That's where Janie came in as being a second mother, if you will. 196 00:13:34,939 --> 00:13:36,398 She was able to do the lifting. 197 00:13:36,482 --> 00:13:41,779 She was able to put him in carriers and take him to the car, back and forth. 198 00:13:41,862 --> 00:13:45,115 That's something that Rachel wasn't able to do at the time, 199 00:13:45,199 --> 00:13:48,786 but felt grateful that Janie was there to do it. 200 00:13:50,162 --> 00:13:54,333 I wasn't around them a lot because I lived five hours away from her. 201 00:13:55,167 --> 00:13:58,254 So the family was very happy 202 00:13:58,337 --> 00:14:01,966 that Rachel had a friend, somebody to help her. 203 00:14:02,883 --> 00:14:08,138 And we were glad that Janie was as dedicated to Ryder as she was. 204 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:12,601 Janie worked at a training center 205 00:14:12,685 --> 00:14:16,146 that was focused on helping Indigenous people 206 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:17,898 have opportunities in life. 207 00:14:19,316 --> 00:14:21,277 She had a pretty flexible job, 208 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,822 and at this point, I was on medical disability. 209 00:14:25,781 --> 00:14:30,077 And so she, uh, got us enrolled in a program 210 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:35,499 that paid Janie to basically help me with Ryder. 211 00:14:36,125 --> 00:14:37,501 What they call respite. 212 00:14:38,168 --> 00:14:43,340 And so Janie started to do very well financially. 213 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:46,385 It became a significant part of her income. 214 00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:52,808 Eventually, her main focus became taking care of Ryder. 215 00:14:53,475 --> 00:14:56,437 There were times when there'd be events at his school 216 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,481 that I was well enough to go to, and it was like, 217 00:14:59,565 --> 00:15:00,858 we would walk in, 218 00:15:00,941 --> 00:15:04,570 {\an8}and she's talking to the other parents that I don't even know. 219 00:15:04,653 --> 00:15:06,614 She's talking to the principal. 220 00:15:07,114 --> 00:15:09,325 She was like the mayor of the school. 221 00:15:10,284 --> 00:15:15,372 She started letting people believe that she was Ryder's parent. 222 00:15:16,123 --> 00:15:18,208 It's not true. 223 00:15:18,792 --> 00:15:22,713 You know, she's not his mother, and she's not a parent of his. 224 00:15:24,965 --> 00:15:31,221 It was after that that she started wanting to take Ryder to work with her. 225 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,976 We kind of started fighting over who would have Ryder. 226 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:39,647 You know, it's not who has to have him. It's who gets him. 227 00:15:40,731 --> 00:15:43,692 I did stand up to her and said, 228 00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:46,779 "Okay, it's my child, and this is the final answer." 229 00:15:47,613 --> 00:15:50,908 She didn't like me doing that, 230 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:53,452 but she didn't have a choice. 231 00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:01,585 Between 2015 and 2018, 232 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:04,213 I had seven back surgeries. 233 00:16:06,006 --> 00:16:09,885 Around that time, I started falling all the time. 234 00:16:11,011 --> 00:16:13,555 And I hurt my neck. 235 00:16:14,181 --> 00:16:18,978 So I underwent surgery to fix the herniations in my neck. 236 00:16:20,396 --> 00:16:23,107 Because I wanted to be responsible, 237 00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:25,609 any time I was on pain medication, 238 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:28,612 especially after surgery where I was on the higher dosages, 239 00:16:28,696 --> 00:16:31,699 I made sure that Janie administered it, 240 00:16:31,782 --> 00:16:35,786 and then kept a running log so that I didn't duplicate on accident. 241 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,086 Not long after the surgery, Janie had taken Ryder to her office. 242 00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:45,045 It was a Saturday. 243 00:16:45,129 --> 00:16:48,424 And I went and checked the mail that day. 244 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:52,177 I had a letter that was addressed to me, and it was from the court 245 00:16:52,261 --> 00:16:57,099 informing me that Ryder had been assigned a guardian ad litem 246 00:16:57,599 --> 00:16:59,435 for a custody case. 247 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:06,400 Janie was worried about Ryder's safety with me in the home. 248 00:17:08,277 --> 00:17:10,904 So I called her, and she answered, 249 00:17:11,613 --> 00:17:12,698 perky and happy. 250 00:17:12,781 --> 00:17:15,242 "Hello!" You know, "Hey!" Or, "Oh you're up!" You know? 251 00:17:15,325 --> 00:17:19,538 And I said, "Are you suing me for custody of Ryder?" 252 00:17:21,665 --> 00:17:25,502 And then just quietly, she said, "Yes." 253 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:28,297 And then she hung up on me. 254 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,510 {\an8}And so I called 911, and I said to them, 255 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:37,973 "My best friend/roomie has my child, 256 00:17:38,474 --> 00:17:40,392 and she won't return my child." 257 00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:45,689 But they called her... And so they called me back and said, 258 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:47,900 "So you haven't been served yet, 259 00:17:47,983 --> 00:17:52,029 but she's filed a protective order against you." 260 00:17:52,112 --> 00:17:54,406 And I... and I'm looking at, like, 261 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:56,325 I can barely walk. 262 00:17:56,408 --> 00:17:58,619 I have surgical stitches in me. 263 00:17:58,702 --> 00:18:01,371 I am as weak as a kitten. 264 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:04,333 I'm like, "Protecting against what?" 265 00:18:05,501 --> 00:18:09,254 And he said, "Well, it's her house, so you have to leave." 266 00:18:10,255 --> 00:18:12,132 "But she keeps your son." 267 00:18:12,216 --> 00:18:13,467 And I'm like, "What?" 268 00:18:15,052 --> 00:18:17,471 I thought I had lost my child. 269 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:19,430 And... 270 00:18:27,898 --> 00:18:30,901 The worst... worst day of my life, 271 00:18:31,777 --> 00:18:36,406 and probably will always be the worst day of my life. 272 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:42,162 When Janie tried to get custody of Ryder, 273 00:18:42,246 --> 00:18:44,623 that completely destroyed Rachel. 274 00:18:44,706 --> 00:18:46,708 I mean, he is her whole life. 275 00:18:46,792 --> 00:18:52,464 I mean, she's a good mother, and it was just devastating. 276 00:18:53,715 --> 00:18:57,970 And that was the first time in his life that she had ever been away from him. 277 00:18:59,763 --> 00:19:02,808 Who does that? Who tries to take someone's child? 278 00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:04,434 Any mother knows 279 00:19:04,518 --> 00:19:07,396 that's the worst thing you could do to another woman. 280 00:19:09,606 --> 00:19:10,858 I left the home. 281 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:13,277 I hadn't driven in years. I was shaky. 282 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,781 And I went to a hotel that my dad helped, um, me get. 283 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:21,243 Child Protective Services came out. 284 00:19:21,326 --> 00:19:22,744 They met with her first. 285 00:19:23,495 --> 00:19:27,416 She told them that I was a drug addict, 286 00:19:27,499 --> 00:19:30,377 that I had become addicted to my pain medicine, 287 00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:33,505 and that I wasn't properly taking care of my child, 288 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:35,632 and that Janie had to step in and do it. 289 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:40,053 And then when they came and talked to me, 290 00:19:40,137 --> 00:19:42,097 it was like, within three minutes, 291 00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:44,349 they knew she'd been lying about everything. 292 00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:49,062 He was like, "Not only did she not say you had this surgery, 293 00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:50,439 she didn't say you had any." 294 00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:52,983 "She made it sound like you were just addicted to opiates." 295 00:19:54,776 --> 00:19:57,529 {\an8}They ended up giving Ryder back to me ten days later, 296 00:19:58,030 --> 00:20:02,201 {\an8}based on there was no standing for him to not be with me. 297 00:20:04,912 --> 00:20:07,956 At this point, my mom had passed away, 298 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:12,377 and my dad had moved across the country to South Carolina. 299 00:20:13,128 --> 00:20:15,088 So Ryder and I 300 00:20:15,797 --> 00:20:18,342 didn't have anywhere to live. 301 00:20:19,134 --> 00:20:22,179 And so we moved into a family shelter. 302 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:28,518 While I appreciated everything the shelter did for us, 303 00:20:28,602 --> 00:20:31,313 and they do phenomenal work, 304 00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:35,275 it was a challenging place for Ryder to be, 305 00:20:35,984 --> 00:20:39,071 um, mainly due to his autism. 306 00:20:40,155 --> 00:20:42,658 He struggled, he regressed, 307 00:20:43,367 --> 00:20:45,619 and he certainly wasn't happy. 308 00:20:50,415 --> 00:20:52,376 I spent six weeks at the shelter. 309 00:20:53,043 --> 00:20:55,754 And then just out of the blue, 310 00:20:56,380 --> 00:21:01,593 Janie called and asked me if she could see Ryder. 311 00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:06,723 Ryder was still asking to go home every day, all day. 312 00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:09,768 I thought maybe he just missed her 313 00:21:09,851 --> 00:21:11,651 because she was an important part of his life. 314 00:21:13,397 --> 00:21:17,192 So I allowed her to see him at a park. 315 00:21:19,528 --> 00:21:21,154 Janie apologized. 316 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:25,200 She started talking about how she was in a dark place. 317 00:21:26,702 --> 00:21:32,582 And she again thought that I was going to leave her. 318 00:21:34,167 --> 00:21:35,167 And... 319 00:21:36,336 --> 00:21:40,090 it... it felt like the Janie that I had known. 320 00:21:40,173 --> 00:21:43,135 She didn't seem dark and twisty anymore. 321 00:21:43,218 --> 00:21:48,390 You know, she was just jovial and happy, and... and he was happy to see her. 322 00:21:51,143 --> 00:21:53,854 She said everything was gonna be okay. 323 00:21:54,980 --> 00:21:56,690 And she asked me to come back. 324 00:22:00,027 --> 00:22:01,403 And I said, 325 00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:03,488 "Yes." 326 00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:05,157 Ryder wanted to go home. 327 00:22:06,116 --> 00:22:07,367 I wanted to go home. 328 00:22:08,827 --> 00:22:11,038 I knew that I was gonna need another surgery, 329 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:13,832 and I didn't have anyone to help me with Ryder. 330 00:22:14,791 --> 00:22:16,668 So I didn't really have an option. 331 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:18,628 I needed her. 332 00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:24,634 I was concerned about her moving back in with Janie, 333 00:22:25,302 --> 00:22:27,846 {\an8}just because I thought if she could do... 334 00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:30,724 {\an8}If she could be that cruel and do that to her, 335 00:22:30,807 --> 00:22:32,934 you know, what else is she capable of? 336 00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:36,063 But, you know, I just... I just stayed out of it. 337 00:22:36,146 --> 00:22:38,815 It wasn't my call to make, you know? 338 00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:45,405 When I initially moved back home... 339 00:22:46,782 --> 00:22:48,742 ...Ryder was doing phenomenally. 340 00:22:48,825 --> 00:22:53,288 He immediately began to improve, making strides. 341 00:22:54,122 --> 00:22:57,167 And she was taking really good care of him. 342 00:22:58,251 --> 00:23:03,507 I waited as long as I could after getting back home to have surgery 343 00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:07,761 because I wanted to make sure that things were gonna be stable 344 00:23:07,844 --> 00:23:11,139 before I put myself in a position where I... 345 00:23:11,848 --> 00:23:14,810 couldn't help myself at all. 346 00:23:16,978 --> 00:23:20,065 When I had the surgery in April of 2019, 347 00:23:20,148 --> 00:23:23,652 everything went fairly, um, routine. 348 00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:27,906 Janie graciously would offer to help me. 349 00:23:28,824 --> 00:23:34,454 Any of the surgical incisions that I had that were located in a part of my body 350 00:23:34,538 --> 00:23:37,249 that was either on the back of my body or I couldn't reach, 351 00:23:37,332 --> 00:23:41,253 Janie would have the task of cleaning them, 352 00:23:41,795 --> 00:23:45,424 putting any ointments on them, and bandaging them back up. 353 00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,218 A few weeks after surgery, 354 00:23:48,301 --> 00:23:52,222 I started getting like pain 355 00:23:52,305 --> 00:23:53,974 in the incision. 356 00:23:54,683 --> 00:23:55,767 And... 357 00:23:57,144 --> 00:24:02,732 a couple of times, there were just things where she would rub it, 358 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:08,572 and I would say, "Why are you rubbing it?" 359 00:24:08,655 --> 00:24:10,949 And she was like, "I'm just seeing, like..." 360 00:24:11,032 --> 00:24:12,325 "Trying to just see if..." 361 00:24:13,034 --> 00:24:15,579 Weird stuff that kinda didn't make sense. 362 00:24:16,204 --> 00:24:18,540 But it never occurred to me to think 363 00:24:18,623 --> 00:24:22,002 that there was something malicious or nefarious about it. 364 00:24:23,044 --> 00:24:25,672 And then it started to hurt really badly. 365 00:24:25,755 --> 00:24:27,090 I would go to her and say, 366 00:24:27,174 --> 00:24:30,177 "Can you look at it and tell me if I need to go have it looked at?" 367 00:24:30,260 --> 00:24:32,929 And she would say, "Looks normal. Looks fine." 368 00:24:35,307 --> 00:24:37,684 I started not being able to breathe 369 00:24:37,767 --> 00:24:41,563 because the swelling in my neck was pushing against my trachea. 370 00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:45,859 I insisted that I was gonna go to the InstaCare. 371 00:24:46,902 --> 00:24:52,657 I went, and I was sitting there, and the doctor was standing behind me. 372 00:24:53,533 --> 00:24:58,371 He took the bandage off, and I felt him almost jump back. 373 00:25:00,081 --> 00:25:02,918 And I said to him, "What's wrong?" 374 00:25:03,627 --> 00:25:06,880 He said, "Massive infection." 375 00:25:08,965 --> 00:25:13,261 The way he described it was blue cheese coming out of my wounds. 376 00:25:14,554 --> 00:25:16,515 He said, "I'm gonna call an ambulance 377 00:25:16,598 --> 00:25:19,726 because you have to go to the ER right now." 378 00:25:22,103 --> 00:25:26,775 They had to go in and basically reopen everything and get the infection. 379 00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:30,946 They cultured it, and it came back as MRSA. 380 00:25:32,531 --> 00:25:33,990 I was an ER nurse, 381 00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:39,621 and MRSA is a bacteria that is resistant to antibiotics. 382 00:25:40,247 --> 00:25:44,876 So, a bacteria like that, it can definitely kill you. 383 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,712 Uh, you know, it's almost flesh-eating. 384 00:25:49,256 --> 00:25:53,093 MRSA is a very serious staph infection 385 00:25:53,176 --> 00:25:57,514 that, um, oftentimes is contracted in hospitals. 386 00:25:57,597 --> 00:26:01,101 So the assumption is that I got it in the hospital, 387 00:26:01,184 --> 00:26:03,144 because where else would I have gotten it? 388 00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:06,690 And so they started me on the vancomycin. 389 00:26:07,357 --> 00:26:09,568 Vancomycin's an antibiotic that can treat it. 390 00:26:10,151 --> 00:26:14,739 But the vancomycin started to attack my white blood cells, 391 00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:16,324 and I got very ill. 392 00:26:18,702 --> 00:26:22,831 I could feel the life, like, draining out of me. 393 00:26:24,165 --> 00:26:27,669 It was during this time that I, to the core of me, 394 00:26:27,752 --> 00:26:29,170 knew I was going to die. 395 00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:32,841 The issue with bacterial infections 396 00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:35,510 when people are in a compromised health state 397 00:26:35,594 --> 00:26:38,930 is if they progress and get into your blood, 398 00:26:39,014 --> 00:26:42,517 that's when someone can become septic and end up in the ICU. 399 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,102 And that becomes dire. 400 00:26:44,185 --> 00:26:48,440 And that was the path that Rachel was headed down. 401 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:55,238 But then I started to seem like I was getting a little bit better. 402 00:26:56,031 --> 00:26:58,992 And so I let Janie know that, 403 00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:01,828 "Probably gonna live!" 404 00:27:06,541 --> 00:27:10,128 After that, when I was recovering, 405 00:27:10,211 --> 00:27:12,213 Janie and I would watch TV. 406 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:17,385 I liked true crime, and she liked it as well. 407 00:27:18,345 --> 00:27:21,514 And we were watching one of the true crimes, 408 00:27:21,598 --> 00:27:25,769 and it was a nurse that murdered her husband 409 00:27:25,852 --> 00:27:27,270 with succinylcholine. 410 00:27:28,813 --> 00:27:30,815 And I said, "Wow, she's a nurse." 411 00:27:30,899 --> 00:27:32,734 "That is really stupid for her to do something 412 00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:34,402 that's gonna show up in an autopsy." 413 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:37,197 And Janie kind of did the, "What do you mean?" 414 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,702 And I said, "Knowing that it could be considered a suspicious death." 415 00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:44,704 I said, "You'd do something like insulin 416 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:47,207 because that's naturally occurring in the body." 417 00:27:47,874 --> 00:27:50,168 And she's like, "Oh, interesting." 418 00:27:52,712 --> 00:27:55,465 It was such a conversation that we'd had so many times 419 00:27:55,548 --> 00:27:57,842 with different discussions about true crime 420 00:27:57,926 --> 00:27:59,678 that it didn't stick out in my mind. 421 00:28:00,887 --> 00:28:05,266 But now I can see that it was me planning my own murder. 422 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:16,945 June 9th, 2019. 423 00:28:17,028 --> 00:28:21,783 I remember Janie had put me into my bed 424 00:28:21,866 --> 00:28:24,494 and given me my medication. 425 00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:30,166 And the next thing I know, I wake up in the hospital. 426 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:37,048 And I was told that my blood sugar had dropped to 13. 427 00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:43,388 Um, since I'm not diabetic nor have any diabetic issues, 428 00:28:43,471 --> 00:28:47,308 um, this was shocking to everyone, including myself. 429 00:28:48,935 --> 00:28:53,982 For the average person, a blood sugar would be 80 to 110. 430 00:28:54,774 --> 00:28:56,568 I've worked in medicine for 25 years, 431 00:28:56,651 --> 00:28:59,738 and I never saw anybody with a blood sugar like that. 432 00:29:00,947 --> 00:29:03,575 All of a sudden, Janie calls me up and says, 433 00:29:03,658 --> 00:29:05,201 "You better come to the hospital." 434 00:29:05,285 --> 00:29:08,121 "Something's wrong with Rachel, and she might not make it." 435 00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:14,252 So I raced down there, and Janie met me in the lobby. 436 00:29:14,335 --> 00:29:17,672 And I'm a nurse, so, you know, I was "Twenty Questioning" her. 437 00:29:19,674 --> 00:29:22,719 "When had she eaten?" You know, "What medicines is she on?" 438 00:29:23,553 --> 00:29:25,263 "Is there any insulin anywhere?" 439 00:29:25,346 --> 00:29:27,265 "Is there any needles anywhere?" 440 00:29:28,266 --> 00:29:31,811 I started crying, and, you know, I was just upset, 441 00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:36,900 and Janie just sat there with no expression on her face. 442 00:29:36,983 --> 00:29:40,111 Just staring at me kind of like not even blinking. 443 00:29:41,362 --> 00:29:44,574 She didn't ask me anything. She didn't try to comfort me. 444 00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:48,244 You know, she just sat there with no emotion, 445 00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:50,330 uh, heartless. 446 00:29:51,456 --> 00:29:53,333 I started to suspect 447 00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:55,794 that something was going on with Janie. 448 00:29:57,879 --> 00:30:00,715 My sister said to me a little bit later, 449 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:06,221 "Janie seemed almost mad that you survived." 450 00:30:07,722 --> 00:30:11,059 "That's just grief, you know, she's socially awkward." 451 00:30:11,142 --> 00:30:13,311 "It's strange. That's just grief." 452 00:30:14,562 --> 00:30:17,816 I think there were a lot of red flags that I missed. 453 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:21,903 They watched me for 48 hours. 454 00:30:21,986 --> 00:30:24,531 My blood sugar was fine. I was fine. 455 00:30:25,198 --> 00:30:27,075 So they thought a fluke had happened. 456 00:30:27,158 --> 00:30:29,661 I'd gotten sick or something, and something had caused it. 457 00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:38,753 I went home on a Sunday, and Tuesday, I... 458 00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:42,715 woke up in the hospital. 459 00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:47,512 It happened again. 460 00:30:48,513 --> 00:30:50,849 This time, they kept me for eight days. 461 00:30:50,932 --> 00:30:54,018 They were calling endocrinologists all over the state 462 00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:57,230 because there was no reason other than given insulin 463 00:30:57,313 --> 00:30:59,732 that this should happen naturally. There was just none. 464 00:31:01,526 --> 00:31:03,736 I was afraid of losing a child. 465 00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:06,948 I was afraid that Rachel was not going to pull through. 466 00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:10,118 It... it scared the daylights out of me. 467 00:31:12,787 --> 00:31:15,498 In September of 2019, 468 00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:18,251 I had another insulin event. 469 00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:21,838 I awoke being told that once again, 470 00:31:21,921 --> 00:31:24,799 my insulin had fallen to be 13. 471 00:31:25,842 --> 00:31:31,055 Honestly, as this progressed, the repeated hospitalizations, 472 00:31:31,139 --> 00:31:35,685 the drama, and getting all of the attention... 473 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,521 At one point, she even mentioned on Facebook 474 00:31:38,605 --> 00:31:40,481 that she was afraid that she would die. 475 00:31:41,858 --> 00:31:45,069 Quite frankly, it was at this point that I asked her, 476 00:31:45,153 --> 00:31:46,988 "Are you doing this to yourself?" 477 00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:52,201 And she swore up and down that was not the case. 478 00:31:53,536 --> 00:31:56,372 The physicians did all of the scans, 479 00:31:56,456 --> 00:31:58,833 all of the labs that would be necessary. 480 00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:03,838 And really the go-to there is that she must have received some insulin. 481 00:32:04,672 --> 00:32:08,259 This is surreptitious insulin until proven otherwise. 482 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:18,102 I went home, and I would literally scoop spoonfuls of sugar into my mouth 483 00:32:18,186 --> 00:32:20,438 before I went to bed every night, 484 00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:25,443 just so my blood sugar wouldn't plummet so that I could wake up. 485 00:32:28,905 --> 00:32:32,408 Rachel would have repeated admissions to the hospital. 486 00:32:33,201 --> 00:32:36,120 Repeated calls for paramedics to come and collect her. 487 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:40,833 She would get well in the hospital, be released, go back home, 488 00:32:40,917 --> 00:32:43,044 start thriving again, 489 00:32:43,127 --> 00:32:45,838 and then fall right back off that health cliff. 490 00:32:46,464 --> 00:32:48,758 And it was just bizarre. 491 00:32:48,841 --> 00:32:50,927 Nothing was adding up. 492 00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:54,514 And she felt she would die. 493 00:32:54,597 --> 00:32:57,517 She felt that she would not be there to raise Ryder. 494 00:32:58,101 --> 00:33:00,603 And that concerned her more than anything else. 495 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,695 My name is Steve Cadiz. I'm a special agent with the FBI. 496 00:33:09,278 --> 00:33:12,198 I am a coordinator for the weapons of mass destruction program 497 00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:13,658 here in Salt Lake City. 498 00:33:14,867 --> 00:33:19,038 {\an8}The WMD program in the FBI covers chemical, biological, 499 00:33:19,122 --> 00:33:22,542 {\an8}radiological, nuclear, and explosive weapons of mass destruction. 500 00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:27,922 {\an8}It was a normal day in the office, and a phone call came in 501 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:32,593 asking us to conduct an investigation on a person 502 00:33:32,677 --> 00:33:37,640 attempting to purchase VRSA on the dark web. 503 00:33:39,100 --> 00:33:41,686 VRSA is a bacteria. 504 00:33:41,769 --> 00:33:43,479 It's a staph infection. 505 00:33:43,563 --> 00:33:46,774 It's very resistant to commonly-used powerful antibiotics. 506 00:33:49,402 --> 00:33:51,779 When you go to a dark net marketplace, 507 00:33:51,863 --> 00:33:55,700 {\an8}you're just a couple clicks away from buying hard drugs, like fentanyl. 508 00:33:56,284 --> 00:33:57,994 You can buy weapons. 509 00:33:58,077 --> 00:34:00,496 You can buy human beings on the dark web. 510 00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:02,081 Child pornography. 511 00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:04,208 You're a click away from watching that, 512 00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:06,878 just like you're a click away from watching videos 513 00:34:06,961 --> 00:34:08,588 of people being murdered. 514 00:34:08,671 --> 00:34:10,131 It's an evil place. 515 00:34:12,508 --> 00:34:16,596 The FBI hosts a Joint Terrorism Task Force here in Salt Lake City, 516 00:34:17,346 --> 00:34:23,352 and they told me that they had received a tip from an undercover FBI agent 517 00:34:23,436 --> 00:34:25,313 who was working on the dark web 518 00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:29,108 that a person had made an order 519 00:34:29,192 --> 00:34:33,237 for vancomycin-resistant staphylococcus aureus, 520 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,781 commonly known as VRSA. 521 00:34:37,366 --> 00:34:39,702 The state criminal statutes in Utah 522 00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:41,621 specifically say biological agents 523 00:34:41,704 --> 00:34:44,540 that are entering its borders through the mail 524 00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,542 are considered weapons of mass destruction. 525 00:34:47,126 --> 00:34:49,837 Biological weapons are a whole different animal 526 00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:53,257 because they can grow and multiply and propagate. 527 00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:57,512 Many of us realized for the first time during the pandemic 528 00:34:58,012 --> 00:35:01,390 just how dangerous a disease can be as a weapon. 529 00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:05,066 During the course of the investigation, 530 00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:08,523 we were able to find out that the person attempting to buy that VRSA 531 00:35:09,857 --> 00:35:11,275 was Janie Lynn Ridd. 532 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,201 The immediate danger was, how will this person use this VRSA? 533 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,370 Is it on a person? 534 00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:25,206 Is it just a single person? Is it a group of people? 535 00:35:25,289 --> 00:35:29,627 Is it going to be something that will be cultured and grown, 536 00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:31,838 to then be introduced to the community? 537 00:35:33,923 --> 00:35:36,968 The worry, of course, is that it's going to be used widespread. 538 00:35:37,051 --> 00:35:38,427 So we had a suspect, 539 00:35:39,095 --> 00:35:41,889 and we needed to find out as much as we could about her. 540 00:35:45,434 --> 00:35:48,271 I've been with the State Bureau of Investigation for eight years, 541 00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:53,818 but I'm also assigned full-time to the FBI as part of the Joint Terrorism Task Force. 542 00:35:54,819 --> 00:35:56,195 {\an8}And especially with this case, 543 00:35:56,279 --> 00:35:58,823 {\an8}it was one where with this type of bacteria, 544 00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:01,742 and not knowing this person's intent in purchasing it, 545 00:36:01,826 --> 00:36:04,620 we really had to act fast. 546 00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:09,167 During the investigation, we learned that back in 2018, 547 00:36:09,250 --> 00:36:11,043 there were some court records there 548 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,629 that showed that there was some type of custody dispute, 549 00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:17,717 where Janie was attempting to gain custody of Rachel's child. 550 00:36:18,885 --> 00:36:23,264 And that she also was the main caregiver for Rachel 551 00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:28,019 because Rachel wasn't able to take care of herself because of her health issues. 552 00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:31,480 And now I start to think as an investigator, 553 00:36:31,564 --> 00:36:33,149 "Let's start working on the assumption 554 00:36:33,232 --> 00:36:36,194 that she is now going to try and hurt Rachel." 555 00:36:37,236 --> 00:36:39,614 And we found that in a healthy person, 556 00:36:39,697 --> 00:36:41,741 you can use antibiotics to get rid of VRSA. 557 00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:46,162 But in a person that was already sick or immunocompromised, 558 00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:47,914 it could, uh, prove fatal. 559 00:36:48,998 --> 00:36:53,336 So Janie had motive and opportunity to use the VRSA against Rachel 560 00:36:53,419 --> 00:36:56,505 so that she could get custody of the son. 561 00:36:57,006 --> 00:36:59,800 I think that Rachel was in grave danger. 562 00:37:03,596 --> 00:37:06,432 In December of 2019, 563 00:37:06,515 --> 00:37:11,229 Janie had started to seem darker to me. 564 00:37:15,983 --> 00:37:17,860 There was just something about her 565 00:37:17,944 --> 00:37:19,946 that was different than I'd ever seen. 566 00:37:22,031 --> 00:37:23,908 She just seemed detached. 567 00:37:23,991 --> 00:37:28,746 And I had noticed that she was leaving Ryder alone 568 00:37:28,829 --> 00:37:31,249 in situations that could have become dangerous. 569 00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:38,005 Janie was still listed as the guardian of Ryder in my will. 570 00:37:40,841 --> 00:37:44,929 I let Janie know that I was gonna change my will, 571 00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:47,640 and make my father the beneficiary. 572 00:37:49,475 --> 00:37:52,603 Rachel asked me if something happened to her, 573 00:37:52,687 --> 00:37:54,689 would I take custody of Ryder? 574 00:37:54,772 --> 00:38:00,569 And of course, I said, "I would, but at my age, I'm not able to do a lot." 575 00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:05,741 "And so I would have to find somebody that could take care of him." 576 00:38:05,825 --> 00:38:07,285 And she says, 577 00:38:07,368 --> 00:38:10,621 "I know you would find somebody that would be like Mom." 578 00:38:14,625 --> 00:38:16,585 A short time after that conversation, 579 00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:19,505 I mentioned to Janie that maybe it would be time 580 00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:22,091 for me to move out, even short-term, 581 00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:26,095 get my own place for a little while, and that we could work on our friendship. 582 00:38:26,178 --> 00:38:29,015 But I just thought we needed some space between us. 583 00:38:30,808 --> 00:38:34,395 And she asked me to stay till December 25th. 584 00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:44,947 We made plans to deliver fake VRSA to the post office box, 585 00:38:45,031 --> 00:38:47,575 and then send a tracking receipt to Janie 586 00:38:47,658 --> 00:38:50,286 so she would know her package had arrived. 587 00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:52,747 We knew we needed to move quickly 588 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:55,041 because Janie asked if she could pay extra 589 00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:58,044 to have it expedited and shipped to her overnight. 590 00:39:00,296 --> 00:39:02,798 Once the package had been delivered to the UPS Store, 591 00:39:02,882 --> 00:39:05,009 the investigative team was sitting in the car 592 00:39:05,092 --> 00:39:07,094 waiting on this package to be picked up. 593 00:39:07,178 --> 00:39:09,680 And we were watching that door like hawks. 594 00:39:12,933 --> 00:39:14,293 On our second day of surveillance, 595 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:18,439 someone matching Janie Ridd's description arrives at the UPS Store 596 00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:20,024 and walks into the store. 597 00:39:22,568 --> 00:39:26,697 After a few minutes, Janie Ridd walks out with the package 598 00:39:26,781 --> 00:39:30,659 that we had put the faux VRSA inside, and immediately walks to her vehicle. 599 00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:39,043 And we followed her to her workplace in Salt Lake City Valley. 600 00:39:41,170 --> 00:39:44,048 We go up to her office, and we told her 601 00:39:44,131 --> 00:39:46,258 we'd like a few moments of her time to speak with her. 602 00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:50,596 In the beginning, I asked her, 603 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,475 "Did you pick up a package from the UPS Store earlier today?" 604 00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:57,186 I wanted to see if she would lie to me. 605 00:39:57,269 --> 00:40:00,231 And she took that opportunity to lie. 606 00:40:16,622 --> 00:40:19,458 {\an8}I stop her and I say, "I don't believe that this is coffee." 607 00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:22,378 "I'm gonna give you another opportunity to tell me the truth." 608 00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:25,256 Miss Ridd takes a breath, looks me straight in the eyes, 609 00:40:25,339 --> 00:40:27,383 and tells me another lie. 610 00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:47,236 I said, "Let's just start fresh." 611 00:40:47,319 --> 00:40:49,879 "I believe it's a biological, but I don't believe it's for beer." 612 00:41:04,545 --> 00:41:08,507 She finally said that she was attempting to purchase this bacteria, 613 00:41:08,591 --> 00:41:09,633 this form of staph, 614 00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:16,015 because she wanted to do some research on it to help her friend Rachel. 615 00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:25,191 Ding! 616 00:41:25,274 --> 00:41:29,737 She finally admitted to trying to purchase this bacteria. 617 00:41:29,820 --> 00:41:32,072 And we had enough probable cause 618 00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:38,037 to arrest her for the attempt to possess a weapon of mass destruction. 619 00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:12,071 And from there, that is when I took over the interview, 620 00:42:12,154 --> 00:42:16,033 and then told Janie that she was now under arrest. 621 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:30,047 {\an8}It was a fairly normal Tuesday. 622 00:42:30,756 --> 00:42:35,928 I was laying in bed kind of half asleep and dizzy and nauseous, 623 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:38,180 and a knock came at the door. 624 00:42:39,765 --> 00:42:44,019 And I saw three official-looking people standing at my door. 625 00:42:44,895 --> 00:42:46,146 Hi. 626 00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:47,398 Hi. 627 00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:04,873 They started to ask me odd questions, like where I had packages delivered to. 628 00:43:04,957 --> 00:43:09,211 And questions that really made zero sense. 629 00:43:09,295 --> 00:43:11,672 Janie doesn't do science experiments. 630 00:43:11,755 --> 00:43:14,800 She doesn't teach science. She doesn't make beer. 631 00:43:14,883 --> 00:43:17,595 And I had no idea what they were talking about. 632 00:43:43,329 --> 00:43:44,913 Yeah, yeah. 633 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:52,755 I could tell that they were trying not to tell me why they were there yet. 634 00:44:06,143 --> 00:44:08,228 We're trying to take the soft-hand approach, 635 00:44:08,312 --> 00:44:11,649 because we're gonna be telling her that we believe that your roommate 636 00:44:11,732 --> 00:44:16,654 purchased this VRSA online for the intent purpose of killing you. 637 00:45:18,590 --> 00:45:20,801 They looked at each other, 638 00:45:20,884 --> 00:45:22,845 and then they looked at me, 639 00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:25,472 and all the questions stopped. 640 00:45:25,556 --> 00:45:27,182 And they kind of perked up. 641 00:45:28,684 --> 00:45:31,061 Rachel explained that she had episodes 642 00:45:31,145 --> 00:45:34,606 where her glucose levels had dropped so significantly, 643 00:45:34,690 --> 00:45:36,410 to the point they thought she was gonna die. 644 00:45:36,942 --> 00:45:41,196 {\an8}And what was running through my mind were the dark web purchases by Janie. 645 00:45:41,864 --> 00:45:46,285 {\an8}Sedatives such as ketamine, Xanax, and insulin injector pens. 646 00:45:46,368 --> 00:45:48,495 Because in a healthy individual, 647 00:45:48,579 --> 00:45:50,459 if you are stabbed with an insulin injector pen, 648 00:45:50,497 --> 00:45:53,125 your glucose levels will drop almost to single digits. 649 00:45:55,919 --> 00:46:00,758 Eventually, we found an expended insulin injector pen, 650 00:46:00,841 --> 00:46:05,095 and Rachel Booth's DNA was inside of the injector pen, 651 00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:06,597 and it had been used on her. 652 00:46:07,931 --> 00:46:10,768 So you put those things together, and it painted a pretty clear picture 653 00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:15,105 that Janie would use an added sedative such as ketamine 654 00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:17,983 to incapacitate Rachel and put her in a state 655 00:46:18,066 --> 00:46:21,820 where she wouldn't feel Janie injecting her with MRSA 656 00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:24,531 or with the insulin injector pen. 657 00:46:25,574 --> 00:46:27,534 From reading the medical records, 658 00:46:27,618 --> 00:46:31,538 I think that Janie tried to kill Rachel at least five times 659 00:46:31,622 --> 00:46:33,332 in the course of a year. 660 00:46:37,252 --> 00:46:41,799 When I was told by the FBI agents that she had purchased the insulin, 661 00:46:41,882 --> 00:46:44,259 it almost added insult to injury. 662 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,387 Not only did she try to murder me, 663 00:46:47,471 --> 00:46:52,142 but I... I felt like she was taking joy in having me plan my own murder, 664 00:46:52,226 --> 00:46:55,437 or at least give her instructions on how to murder me. 665 00:46:58,315 --> 00:47:01,819 {\an8}My reaction when it was all spelled out, frankly, 666 00:47:01,902 --> 00:47:04,613 {\an8}was, "Holy shit." 667 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:11,203 There are no words for how out there this is. 668 00:47:11,286 --> 00:47:15,791 All of this was due to the disgusting 669 00:47:15,874 --> 00:47:18,460 and surreptitious actions 670 00:47:18,544 --> 00:47:21,296 of another who is holding her captive, 671 00:47:22,506 --> 00:47:25,801 experimenting with her friend's body... 672 00:47:27,803 --> 00:47:30,472 in an effort to kill her and take her child. 673 00:47:33,475 --> 00:47:34,755 What would've happened 674 00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:37,145 if Janie could have carried out her threat? 675 00:47:38,146 --> 00:47:40,148 Rachel would have died in the hospital. 676 00:47:40,232 --> 00:47:42,359 It would have been considered an attended death. 677 00:47:42,860 --> 00:47:45,821 No autopsy. No investigation. 678 00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:49,449 And Janie makes off with Rachel's child 679 00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:52,953 and a half million dollars in life insurance payout. 680 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,933 I was shocked. 681 00:48:15,017 --> 00:48:20,063 We had no idea that she could be so violent or twisted like that. 682 00:48:20,647 --> 00:48:21,857 We knew she loved Ryder, 683 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:23,400 and we knew she wanted him, 684 00:48:23,483 --> 00:48:25,694 but never in a million years 685 00:48:25,777 --> 00:48:27,613 would we have guessed 686 00:48:27,696 --> 00:48:28,989 that she had that in her 687 00:48:29,072 --> 00:48:30,782 to try to get rid of Rachel. 688 00:48:32,367 --> 00:48:34,202 When I saw Janie in court, 689 00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:37,581 she didn't seem, like, familiar to me. 690 00:48:38,248 --> 00:48:41,126 It wasn't that she looked dramatically different. 691 00:48:41,209 --> 00:48:45,130 She just... Something felt broken. 692 00:48:46,423 --> 00:48:49,051 And I just wonder, did I miss it? 693 00:48:50,135 --> 00:48:51,845 If I was a better friend, 694 00:48:52,512 --> 00:48:55,098 if I could have helped her... 695 00:48:57,392 --> 00:48:59,770 would she have not gotten to this point? 696 00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:05,525 The judge ordered her to serve between one and twenty years. 697 00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:09,029 And that's what she was sent to prison to serve. 698 00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:18,622 - You think that's funny? - Yes. 699 00:49:18,705 --> 00:49:23,502 The unexplained illnesses have stopped since the day she was arrested. 700 00:49:26,171 --> 00:49:30,634 Still have the spinal issues, of course, and I still live in chronic pain, 701 00:49:31,385 --> 00:49:35,347 but I'm able to do activities. 702 00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:36,556 I feel good. 703 00:49:37,265 --> 00:49:41,019 And Ryder is doing phenomenally. 704 00:49:41,770 --> 00:49:43,021 - Car. - Car. 705 00:49:44,481 --> 00:49:46,233 She didn't ruin my life. 706 00:49:46,858 --> 00:49:48,193 She ruined hers. 707 00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:51,822 And that's sad. 708 00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:53,699 That's very sad. 58529

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