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I've seen a lot of your films
and I think you're a huge pervert.
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Well, who isn't?
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My fantasies
are identical to the viewers'.
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I only show what everybody dreams about.
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Listen.
We're going to hear Borowczyk's voice.
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I wanted to make a film about love.
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But what kind of love?
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Love of power,
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fully independent physical love,
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love of objects,
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love of freedom.
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All of these can be loved.
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He loved freedom.
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Borowczyk fled from Poland to France
because he loved freedom.
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He saw France as a place of freedom,
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particularly artistic freedom.
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In all of his movies
love leads to death.
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Love - that is, a desire for freedom.
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This desire for freedom ends in death
in many of his films:
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"The Beast," "Blanche,"
"Goto," "The Margin"...
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It's quite strange.
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For me Borowczyk was a world
that suddenly vanished.
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I can't pinpoint the date
of its disappearance. There you go.
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May 1968.
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A great French revolution begins.
Paris stands still,
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students are being brutalized,
workers clash with police,
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a general strike begins
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and I'm invited to shoot
"Goto, Isle of Love".
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The film will be shot
in Pierre and Marie Curie's old factory,
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the site of their experiments
with radioactivity.
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We are whisked from the frenzy of Paris
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to the calm of a small factory
with an incomprehensible director
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who built a fantasy world:
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a remote island that no outsider
set foot on in 100 years.
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Each morning I drove across Paris
filled with cops and students
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to spend the day in Borowczyk's
weird, crazy world.
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We thought he was completely bonkers.
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- Is this the Marie Curie parking lot?
- Yes, right there.
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So, we're shooting
in this historical factory,
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our director is completely
detached from reality,
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and each evening we go back to Paris
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where cops fight students and workers.
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May 1968 reminds me of 3 things:
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the revolution,
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my first film with Borowczyk -
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"Goto, Isle of Love,"
and my first marriage.
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When I met him in 1968,
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I think he'd lived in France
for 10 years or so.
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I think he arrived in France in 1959.
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I met Walerian Borowczyk in 1946
at the Academy of Fine Arts in Krakow.
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Borowczyk was open about the fact
that he, the son of a railway worker,
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only went there because he wanted
to teach drawing in middle school.
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His art would take him far -
but in a completely different direction.
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Professor Radnicki gathered us students
when the first year had ended.
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He looked us over and said:
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"I see one very talented person
in this group."
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Everyone puffed up a little...
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But the professor quickly added:
"It's Walerian Borowczyk."
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The fact that he switched
to filmmaking was unusual.
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I can't recall any of our sculptor
or painter colleagues
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who'd picked up a movie camera.
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We were talking about Poland
and someone said to Borowczyk:
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"Well, Poland is a free country!"
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Borowczyk just exploded with rage:
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"So go there if you want,
I moved here precisely
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because I've experienced
the Communist regime!"
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THE HOUSE (1958)
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The hair that devours everything
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could've been seen as an allegory
of the political situation at the time.
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I never thought he'd go there!
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It was amazing.
Whatever gave him the idea?
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Why did he do it?
He must've felt compelled somehow.
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It was a portent of things to come.
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'Polish film "The House"
took first place
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and a $10000 prize...'
Well, well!
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'At the international film festival
in Brussels."
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This success launched him
into a whole different world.
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French cinema was rather insular -
they didn't need us,
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Polish directors
had nothing to say to them...
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Before "Goto"
I had no idea that he even existed.
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Later on they showed us
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a few of his animated films
by way of introduction.
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That's how I discovered his world.
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Watching Borowczyk's wonderful,
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minimalist animations
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we get the feeling
that he did everything himself,
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sitting alone in his studio,
drawing frame after frame...
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A truly solitary endeavor.
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Disney, Pixar or Dreamworks animations
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make a completely different impression -
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you just feel the effort
of 300 or so people behind them.
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That's when I realized that
every director carries a world inside:
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Borowczyk had a whole world in his head.
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THE ACTION OF THE FILM IS SET IN OUR TIME
ON THE ISLAND OF GOTO
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IN THE FORTRESS-RESIDENCE
OF ITS GOVERNOR - GOTO I II.
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Name - Grozo!
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All movies are essentially animation.
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Live-action cinema
is animated photography -
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a reel of tape
is just a row of pictures.
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It's the same thing
if you replace the photos with drawings.
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We were surprised by Borowczyk's behavior
on the set of "Goto".
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We all thought he was shooting
an animated film.
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Boro did things
that directors didn't usually do -
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he made props, painted decorations,
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fixed costumes...
He did everything!
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Every time he did something like this
we asked ourselves:
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"What is he doing? Why is he doing it?
What will he do next?"
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On the first day,
he looks at the set and shouts:
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"It's much too clean! How awful!
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Get me some paint and a brush!"
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He repainted all the decorations
that very day, all by himself.
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I've never seen a director
do anything like this before!
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Almost on his own.
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We were only accessories
to his meticulousness.
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He used the word "character" a lot:
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"charrracterrr walk in,
charrracterrr walk out."
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He used his actors in an unusual way
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and talked to them as they worked.
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The first scenes with Pierre Brasseur
were incredible.
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We rehearsed several times,
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Brasseur repeated Boro's instructions,
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we said "action",
cameras started rolling...
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And Borowczyk starts giving orders:
"Go in, sit, leave, stand..."
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Brasseur stops: "Is he going
to talk like this all the time?!"
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And Boro replies:
"It normal, I direct actor!"
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Goto I II,
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Goto I,
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Goto I I.
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Borowczyk did everything himself.
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The opening of each little funnel
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is designed to be inviting to flies.
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The fly doesn't realize it won't be able
to leave once it's inside.
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When Borowczyk said "I want this",
I did what he told me to.
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I gave him what he asked for.
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We had a bond because he knew
I understood what he wanted.
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I worked with a number of directors
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and I wasn't Borowczyk's slave.
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I was his servant - but with medals.
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I knew that he'd call me
if he wanted to make another movie.
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And I never would've even thought
to refuse.
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I'd never tell him "No".
Once, I don't remember which film it was,
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I was away shooting with Borowczyk,
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and Polański asked for me.
I had to refuse Polański.
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Borowczyk was like family.
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And I have to admit that
I didn't understand that film at all,
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but once I watched it,
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I realized we made a masterpiece.
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The Simon report from a few months ago,
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the French equivalent
of the Kinsey report,
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was a controversial success.
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The statistics overturned
a number of stereotypes.
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Here's a question for today:
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are the French a nation of prudes?
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The majority of the French
refuse to acknowledge sexuality.
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80 make love in the dark.
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Sex shops aren't popular,
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erotic films
don't attract a wide audience.
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The upheavals of '68
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formed several
new political battlefields,
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but also reshaped us
on a personal level:
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sexuality, free love...
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Censorship became much less strict,
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giving authors an opportunity
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to create more sensual and erotic works.
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He could spread his wings and fly.
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We loved transgressive films,
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even extremely iconoclastic ones.
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Even - should I say - immoral ones.
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The girl's lashes flutter
like butterfly wings. It's wonderful.
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That's the famous...
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That's Borowczyk.
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This ass and the road rolling back.
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The image detaches from the background.
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This is Borowczyk!
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This is freedom!
Absolute freedom!
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Erotic freedom, all kinds of freedom.
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Is it an erotic and libertine film
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or a libertine and erotic film?
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I think it's both.
But most of all
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it's aesthetic.
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It takes images that could be called
pornographic and transforms them
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into works of almost libertine art.
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This film showed me eroticism
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in the language of cinema,
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an eroticism that permeates
the whole world,
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not just a few stolen sex scenes.
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"Immoral Tales" make you feel like
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the whole world throbs with eroticism.
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There is an eroticization of objects
in Borowczyk's films.
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His eroticism involves
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the juxtaposition
of bodies and objects -
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objects that can penetrate the body
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and objects
completely unrelated to the body.
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His eroticism is linked with desire
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and - at times - cruelty.
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Boro wasn't widely known when he worked
on his earlier films.
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Then the erotic "Immoral Tales"
suddenly catapulted him to fame.
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"Emmanuelle" was the only film
that could've rivaled
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the eroticism of "Immoral Tales" -
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but its eroticism
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wasn't liberating or revolutionary,
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it was just sex for bourgeois viewers
wanting to jack off
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in a movie theater
on Boulevard de Sébastopol.
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It didn't make sense.
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I was impressed
by the courage of this man
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who dared to show
the joys and pleasures
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of eroticism without trying to
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normalize it,
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make it useful,
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or justify it in the name of love
or some other cause.
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Our sound engineer
in the first chapter
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of "Immoral Tales",
one Gerard Delaguarde,
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was extremely Catholic, very Christian,
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very fundamentalist,
almost as holy as the Pope.
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At the end of the shoot
he comes up to Borowczyk and says:
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"My dear Boro, it's a waste of
your talent! You're making porn!
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This isn't right.
You're becoming a pornographer
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and I refuse to work with you."
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Boro flew into a rage.
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He was being pigeonholed -
and he hated being pigeonholed.
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"I'm not a pornographer!
I'm a revolutionary
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who uses sex to express
the idea of freedom,
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the right to freedom!"
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Each film is a trip, an adventure.
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The end result is always a surprise.
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We work around the clock
with no downtime;
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our eagerness
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to see the end result
is truly fascinating.
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That's real creativity!
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I've always felt that
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the most transgressive movies are
those that weren't intended as such -
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where the filmmakers
just did what came to them naturally.
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Many scandalizing films
weren't meant to scandalize.
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Oh, Lisbeth... Fabulous!
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The movie "The Beast"
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is a fantasy film
as well as an erotic film,
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but most of all and above all
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it's a film about
the mechanics of dreams.
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This scene is pretty funny.
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And the Beast resembles a giant rat
rather than a bear.
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It's clear that it's really a man
in a monster suit.
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The Beast's spurting sperm,
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Scarlatti, the forest, the death
of the Beast. It's extraordinary!
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One small detail: who did the squirting?
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Borowczyk himself! He used a pump.
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No one could squirt
as good as Borowczyk. Naturally!
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He always liked to
do everything himself.
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Nice to meet you.
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What an incredible place!
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This is the temporary warehouse
of the Swiss Film Archive.
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We'll discover it together.
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Incredible.
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The head...
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- Are you alright?
- Yes.
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The testicles, the penis...
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The tongue moves...
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The actor went inside.
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Face to face with the Beast.
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The hair of the beast, it's amazing.
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"The Beast" was a bit of a divorce
with critics.
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They reproached him
for making a coarse,
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overly violent film.
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Is it porn or is it overdone erotica?
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It's classic sophisticated porn!
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00:45:08,109 --> 00:45:09,644
I think it's scandalous.
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The scene where the woman
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pleasures herself with
the rose is the worst.
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00:45:14,549 --> 00:45:18,520
The fact that this film
is also scandalous
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doesn't make me reject it.
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Take a painting by Vermeer.
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It looks interesting from a distance,
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even if it was only painted
on commission for a rich merchant.
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00:47:04,793 --> 00:47:07,195
But get up close
and examine it carefully,
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like you would a Rembrandt,
and you'll see
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the suffering,
the brush strokes, the texture...
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It's extraordinary!
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It's a very disappointing work
by an inconsistent filmmaker.
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I think Borowczyk
is at his lowest in this film.
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It's naturalist,
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which never was
Borowczyk's strong point,
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the acting is flat
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and the erotic scenes are awful.
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00:48:09,057 --> 00:48:10,325
It doesn't make any sense.
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00:48:31,479 --> 00:48:37,085
In this movie Borowczyk
was working with two icons of erotica -
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Joe Dallesandro,
the star of Morrissey's films,
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and Sylvia Kristel,
famous for "Emmanuelle".
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He gave them magnificent roles.
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00:48:56,671 --> 00:49:00,241
Here's a quote
from Sylvia Kristel's autobiography.
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"Walerian Borowczyk,
the director of "Immoral Tales,"
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00:49:04,646 --> 00:49:06,381
offers me a part in "The Margin,"
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00:49:06,614 --> 00:49:09,484
an adaptation of Pieyre De Mandiargues'
award-winning novel.
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It's a powerful role.
Maybe even my favorite.
295
00:49:12,921 --> 00:49:15,423
Walerian seems haunted by
his erotic fantasies
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and fetishistic tastes.
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00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:19,427
I play a prostitute."
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00:49:52,494 --> 00:49:58,666
But it had to happen.
Sylvia Kristel signed a contract.
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00:49:59,033 --> 00:50:01,469
The Japanese
had already bought the film.
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00:50:01,703 --> 00:50:04,138
We simply had to shoot it.
301
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:07,876
It's very bad. Do you agree?
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00:50:08,109 --> 00:50:11,246
No, it's not very bad.
303
00:50:13,381 --> 00:50:15,984
Let's just ignore it.
304
00:50:16,217 --> 00:50:18,653
No, it's important,
because it concerns Borowczyk,
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00:50:18,953 --> 00:50:21,189
who's quite an eminent artist.
306
00:50:21,422 --> 00:50:24,325
Maybe the fault
isn't entirely his own,
307
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,427
but the movie is just plain stupid!
308
00:50:26,661 --> 00:50:29,163
Walerian Borowczyk has his own world,
Mandiargues
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00:50:29,397 --> 00:50:31,165
and maybe Dallesandro
have theirs too,
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00:50:31,399 --> 00:50:34,402
but all we see here
is the world of Sylvia Kristel!
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00:50:34,636 --> 00:50:37,038
It's only fit for hairdressers,
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00:50:37,272 --> 00:50:39,674
it's like a glossy magazine!
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00:50:53,955 --> 00:50:55,156
"The film is a flop.
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00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:57,959
It's only screened
in 'arthouse' cinemas.
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00:50:58,192 --> 00:51:01,029
A nice name with low viewership -
a pity."
316
00:51:01,262 --> 00:51:03,331
Borowczyk gradually limits himself to -
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00:51:03,565 --> 00:51:06,067
or is limited to - erotica.
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00:51:43,671 --> 00:51:46,541
Mr Borowczyk,
are you still interested in sex?
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00:51:46,774 --> 00:51:49,077
How much longer
will it remain an inspiration?
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00:51:49,310 --> 00:51:53,881
Excuse me, it's not just me -
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00:51:54,115 --> 00:51:57,218
everyone's interested in sex!
That's always been the case!
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00:51:57,452 --> 00:52:01,556
He became more famous once he started
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00:52:01,789 --> 00:52:05,293
making erotic films.
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00:52:05,526 --> 00:52:10,665
It became easier for him
to start new erotic projects,
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00:52:10,999 --> 00:52:13,001
because his producers kept saying
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00:52:13,234 --> 00:52:17,405
"Go on, make another erotic flick,
you're great at it,
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00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:19,574
people love them!"
328
00:52:19,807 --> 00:52:25,580
Seriously, contrary to popular opinion
I'm not an erotic filmmaker.
329
00:52:25,813 --> 00:52:31,085
I think Disney is more erotic!
330
00:52:31,319 --> 00:52:33,154
The man eschewed labels -
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00:52:33,388 --> 00:52:35,356
this used to confuse film critics.
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00:52:35,590 --> 00:52:36,858
"What shall we do about Boro?
333
00:52:37,091 --> 00:52:41,496
He makes animations, medieval dramas,
all sorts of odd films..."
334
00:52:41,729 --> 00:52:44,198
They didn't know how to categorize him.
335
00:52:44,432 --> 00:52:48,503
But when he started shooting erotica
in his own style,
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00:52:48,736 --> 00:52:52,273
they suddenly found a label that fit:
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00:52:52,507 --> 00:52:54,642
Borowczyk makes erotic cinema!
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00:52:54,942 --> 00:53:03,317
Whenever someone says "erotic movie"
or "a film about sex",
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00:53:03,551 --> 00:53:14,028
the expression is always
either sarcastic or derogatory.
340
00:53:14,262 --> 00:53:19,067
I understand why he was annoyed -
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00:53:19,300 --> 00:53:23,571
it was like they'd shoved him
into a small box
342
00:53:23,905 --> 00:53:27,341
labeled "erotica"
and told him to stay there.
343
00:53:27,575 --> 00:53:32,447
I'm sorry,
but I always have to emphasize
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00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,050
that I don't specialize
in any particular thing.
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00:53:36,284 --> 00:53:38,019
I'm just a filmmaker.
346
00:53:38,286 --> 00:53:41,322
If there's anything
I specialize in, it's filmmaking.
347
00:53:41,622 --> 00:53:43,491
Borowczyk wanted to do other projects,
348
00:53:43,725 --> 00:53:46,160
like Harry Dickson stories,
349
00:53:46,394 --> 00:53:48,830
but the producers didn't support him.
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00:53:49,063 --> 00:53:52,467
They didn't support him.
351
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:55,970
They wanted him to keep making erotica.
352
00:54:10,218 --> 00:54:14,655
I don't remember shooting this.
353
00:54:16,023 --> 00:54:19,627
I've never filmed that!
What's this scene doing here?
354
00:54:24,565 --> 00:54:27,135
Oh, they added an orgy?
355
00:54:27,368 --> 00:54:29,370
Damn.
356
00:54:29,604 --> 00:54:33,074
Borowczyk never directed that!
357
00:54:34,075 --> 00:54:38,079
They pornified this film afterwards.
358
00:54:39,313 --> 00:54:42,083
Here you go. Two drawings
359
00:54:42,316 --> 00:54:46,954
based on stills from "Immoral Tales"
360
00:54:47,188 --> 00:54:52,160
that have absolutely nothing to do
361
00:54:52,393 --> 00:54:56,297
with the plot of the film.
362
00:54:56,531 --> 00:55:00,635
The cover image of this tape
of "Goto, Isle of Love"
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00:55:00,968 --> 00:55:06,440
shows a scene completely unrelated
to the movie as well.
364
00:55:06,974 --> 00:55:10,711
Here's a particularly egregious example:
365
00:55:11,045 --> 00:55:13,247
"The Margin," based on
an important novel
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00:55:13,481 --> 00:55:15,983
by André Pieyre de Mandiargues,
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00:55:16,217 --> 00:55:19,353
was retitled "Emmanuelle 77".
368
00:55:19,587 --> 00:55:22,423
As you can see,
the unfortunate director
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00:55:22,657 --> 00:55:25,293
is listed dead last,
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00:55:25,526 --> 00:55:28,329
far below
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00:55:28,563 --> 00:55:30,898
Sylvia Kristel
and Joe Dallesandro.
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00:55:31,132 --> 00:55:38,406
The actors aren't as important
as the director and the writer!
373
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:45,313
And "Emmanuelle 77"
sounds like a porn flick.
374
00:55:47,415 --> 00:55:50,651
From one scandal to another,
from "Blow-Up" to "Last Tango in Paris,"
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00:55:50,985 --> 00:55:53,221
cinema finally vanquished censorship.
376
00:55:54,455 --> 00:55:57,058
Seeing the plethora of porn
that came out this year
377
00:55:57,291 --> 00:55:59,193
it's hard to imagine
that only 6 years ago
378
00:55:59,427 --> 00:56:02,396
it would've been unthinkable
to show any pubic hair.
379
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:04,398
Around 150 pornographic
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00:56:04,632 --> 00:56:08,369
and erotic films come out every year.
381
00:56:08,603 --> 00:56:11,239
Given 6.5 million views
in Paris alone
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00:56:11,472 --> 00:56:15,376
one gets the idea
of the surge of erotic cinema
383
00:56:15,610 --> 00:56:20,147
and why 50 of film budget
is spent on erotic films.
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00:56:20,448 --> 00:56:22,149
Is it liberation or profit?
385
00:56:36,063 --> 00:56:40,668
10 years later
eroticism was no longer
386
00:56:40,968 --> 00:56:45,840
an expression of freedom,
a tool of revolution.
387
00:56:46,207 --> 00:56:48,509
We have ideas and desires
388
00:56:48,743 --> 00:56:51,445
precisely because some boundaries exist.
389
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:56,350
Absolute freedom
can be quite terrifying.
390
00:57:20,007 --> 00:57:24,011
What does it say to Borowczyk
when he has to put up with a producer
391
00:57:24,245 --> 00:57:28,249
who changes his posters
and adds sex scenes?
392
00:57:28,482 --> 00:57:31,319
It says to him that he's no longer God.
393
00:57:31,552 --> 00:57:33,220
That must've been hard.
394
00:59:24,465 --> 00:59:28,202
I made around 10 films
with Walerian Borowczyk,
395
00:59:28,436 --> 00:59:30,838
8 of them feature length.
396
00:59:31,072 --> 00:59:32,807
We worked together,
397
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,277
saw each other a lot on set
and never interacted outside of work.
398
00:59:36,510 --> 00:59:40,448
I had him over for lunch once.
399
00:59:40,681 --> 00:59:43,551
Once in 20 years of collaboration!
400
00:59:43,784 --> 00:59:47,788
I told my dear wife Zoe:
401
00:59:48,022 --> 00:59:49,957
We have to make potatoes.
402
00:59:50,191 --> 00:59:54,628
We fixed him a dish of potatoes
with quark and chives.
403
00:59:55,262 --> 00:59:56,597
Borowczyk said:
404
00:59:56,931 --> 00:59:59,500
"That's one of
the best meals I've ever had!"
405
00:59:59,733 --> 01:00:03,904
I knew he usually ate potatoes
with quark and chives.
406
01:00:04,438 --> 01:00:09,210
I think that was the last time
I saw Borowczyk.
407
01:00:21,088 --> 01:00:25,359
I often say that the end of the 1970s
was the end of an era
408
01:00:25,593 --> 01:00:29,530
and our modern times began in 1980.
409
01:00:29,763 --> 01:00:34,668
It was a period of huge changes
all over the world -
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01:00:35,002 --> 01:00:38,272
intellectual, political,
economic transformation.
411
01:00:38,506 --> 01:00:46,046
The 1980s are seen
as the peak of hedonism,
412
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:54,455
a time of lightness,
insouciance, and money,
413
01:00:54,688 --> 01:01:04,231
of ideas that heralded
the decline of profound thought.
414
01:01:04,465 --> 01:01:06,267
How is Emmanuelle doing now? She's fine!
415
01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:10,271
She lives in Réunion
and enjoys the landscapes of our island.
416
01:01:10,504 --> 01:01:14,074
Today is the last day of filming;
here's some footage from the set.
417
01:01:33,594 --> 01:01:35,996
We're in Domaine de la Confiance
in Saint-Benojt
418
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:40,000
during the last rehearsal
of the final scene.
419
01:01:41,101 --> 01:01:43,237
Is this an adventure film
with a dash of eroticism?
420
01:01:43,571 --> 01:01:47,908
No, it's just an adventure film.
421
01:01:48,142 --> 01:01:53,080
The eroticism is imparted
by the director: Walerian Borowczyk,
422
01:01:53,314 --> 01:01:57,184
a great filmmaker,
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01:01:57,418 --> 01:01:59,587
sculptor, and painter of women.
424
01:01:59,820 --> 01:02:02,990
The budget of "Emmanuelle 5"
is 23 million francs.
425
01:02:05,693 --> 01:02:07,561
- Yes?
- Good morning.
426
01:02:07,795 --> 01:02:11,131
- Thierry Bazin?
- Speaking.
427
01:02:11,365 --> 01:02:13,701
This is Noël Very. Glad to meet you.
428
01:02:14,435 --> 01:02:17,238
It's interesting that we remember
Borowczyk differently.
429
01:02:17,471 --> 01:02:18,639
Of course we do.
430
01:02:18,973 --> 01:02:24,111
- I worked with him in 1986.
- I did in 1968.
431
01:02:24,445 --> 01:02:27,047
We made "Emmanuelle 5".
432
01:02:27,281 --> 01:02:30,484
I have to say it's a 'great' film.
433
01:02:30,718 --> 01:02:34,521
- And you didn't shoot it.
- No, I didn't.
434
01:02:34,755 --> 01:02:38,993
It was in the era of "Indiana Jones",
435
01:02:39,226 --> 01:02:43,530
an unbelievably successful film.
436
01:02:45,299 --> 01:02:48,402
Siritzky bought "Emmanuelle"
437
01:02:48,636 --> 01:02:52,706
and added a lot of adventure tropes
438
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,442
and a protagonist reminiscent of Indy.
439
01:02:55,676 --> 01:02:57,211
Yeah, it wasn't particularly creative.
440
01:02:57,444 --> 01:03:00,281
I guess hiring Borowczyk
441
01:03:00,514 --> 01:03:04,285
gave Siritzky an artistic alibi.
442
01:03:04,585 --> 01:03:09,123
I was one of the few people
who liked being around Borowczyk
443
01:03:09,356 --> 01:03:12,426
during the preliminary stages.
444
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,596
I listened to him, watched him,
445
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:17,498
lunched with him every day.
446
01:03:17,731 --> 01:03:20,334
I was the only person
that had lunch with him every day.
447
01:03:20,567 --> 01:03:25,005
We always ate
at that place on rue Berri.
448
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:27,141
They served fondue.
449
01:03:27,374 --> 01:03:28,676
He didn't eat cheese...
450
01:03:29,043 --> 01:03:31,011
Yeah, he only ate the boiled potatoes.
451
01:03:31,245 --> 01:03:33,614
Boiled potatoes!
Remember the boiled potatoes?
452
01:03:33,947 --> 01:03:37,284
- Of course!
- Sure, he only ate potatoes.
453
01:03:37,518 --> 01:03:41,889
- Like a proper Pole.
- Yes, like a proper Pole, it's logical.
454
01:03:42,523 --> 01:03:44,858
During the preparations
455
01:03:45,092 --> 01:03:48,929
I always felt like
he was in his own world.
456
01:03:49,163 --> 01:03:54,535
The assistant director
must ask the director
457
01:03:55,169 --> 01:04:00,240
to justify certain choices
or make certain decisions.
458
01:04:00,474 --> 01:04:04,111
Walerian had a very hard time
answering my questions.
459
01:04:04,378 --> 01:04:07,114
He gave me no input about casting -
it didn't interest him at all.
460
01:04:07,348 --> 01:04:09,416
I think he had no choice in the matter,
461
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:11,985
he was just given these actors.
462
01:04:12,219 --> 01:04:16,256
For me, there's a lot of technical work.
463
01:04:16,523 --> 01:04:21,261
We went to Réunion to shoot on location.
464
01:04:24,064 --> 01:04:30,170
After 3 shooting days
we were already 2 days behind schedule.
465
01:04:30,404 --> 01:04:32,306
Or even more.
466
01:04:32,973 --> 01:04:37,411
I think most people on that set
didn't realize what we were making.
467
01:04:37,644 --> 01:04:41,615
We weren't shooting according to plan.
468
01:04:42,049 --> 01:04:47,254
We had a 35BL - a fairly hefty camera.
469
01:04:47,488 --> 01:04:51,992
He carried it on his shoulder,
swaying slightly under the weight,
470
01:04:52,226 --> 01:04:56,130
and shuffled actors around.
They didn't understand him.
471
01:04:57,398 --> 01:04:59,400
He didn't get angry,
472
01:04:59,633 --> 01:05:06,306
but the American actors found him
incomprehensible and insufferable.
473
01:05:08,308 --> 01:05:11,278
Until that moment
474
01:05:11,512 --> 01:05:16,450
when the 'famous' American actress...
I think she slapped him.
475
01:05:18,552 --> 01:05:21,088
When she slapped him,
Walerian just walked off.
476
01:05:22,289 --> 01:05:23,957
We realized
477
01:05:24,191 --> 01:05:27,461
he took the first plane back to Paris.
478
01:05:28,061 --> 01:05:31,098
In the absence of Borowicz,
the film's director,
479
01:05:31,331 --> 01:05:36,503
his assistant directs the actors.
480
01:05:37,671 --> 01:05:40,574
The producer said
481
01:05:40,808 --> 01:05:45,345
he wanted me to take over
and finish the film.
482
01:05:45,579 --> 01:05:48,182
Finish the film?!
We barely started shooting!
483
01:05:51,018 --> 01:05:51,618
Action!
484
01:06:13,106 --> 01:06:13,707
Cut!
485
01:06:14,274 --> 01:06:17,678
No, the end result was not a good film.
486
01:06:18,011 --> 01:06:19,880
This film is...
487
01:06:20,113 --> 01:06:23,250
I don't think it's a Borowczyk film.
488
01:06:23,484 --> 01:06:25,486
It's not even the producer's film.
489
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:29,223
I think it's an object
490
01:06:29,456 --> 01:06:33,861
available in different languages
491
01:06:34,094 --> 01:06:36,530
depending on the country
it's screened in,
492
01:06:36,763 --> 01:06:39,333
which makes it the distributor's film.
493
01:06:54,348 --> 01:06:58,118
I always felt like he needed solitude,
494
01:06:58,352 --> 01:07:00,854
he needed to be all by himself.
495
01:07:01,555 --> 01:07:10,364
That made working in the film industry
somewhat of a challenge.
496
01:07:11,031 --> 01:07:17,571
Did you feel like "Emmanuelle"
was supposed to buy him this solitude?
497
01:07:17,804 --> 01:07:21,675
Yes, I think that's the only reason
he took this job.
498
01:07:23,343 --> 01:07:28,415
It felt like it was his last movie.
499
01:07:29,249 --> 01:07:30,951
I really got this impression.
500
01:07:31,184 --> 01:07:34,454
It was supposed to be his last work,
a means to make some money
501
01:07:34,688 --> 01:07:40,127
to afford the solitude he required.
502
01:09:33,674 --> 01:09:37,611
I'll tell you quite honestly -
a director will do everything
503
01:09:37,944 --> 01:09:40,514
they can to achieve freedom
in making a live-action film,
504
01:09:40,747 --> 01:09:42,416
but it's an impossible goal.
505
01:09:42,649 --> 01:09:45,085
Immense strength is needed
to avoid getting crushed
506
01:09:45,318 --> 01:09:50,957
by all the non-artistic things
involved in filmmaking.
507
01:09:51,258 --> 01:09:59,199
From financing to ordering decorations,
508
01:09:59,466 --> 01:10:02,302
you can't do it without a large crew.
509
01:10:02,536 --> 01:10:04,337
Animation, like painting,
510
01:10:04,571 --> 01:10:07,174
is my safety valve -
511
01:10:07,407 --> 01:10:12,879
it lets me be alone and work on
things totally on my own.
512
01:10:13,113 --> 01:10:18,218
I'll show you a piece
I just finished editing.
513
01:10:18,919 --> 01:10:23,056
I won't spoil the ending,
514
01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:25,425
you'll see the whole thing
when it's done.
515
01:10:25,659 --> 01:10:29,463
I'll show you the beginning,
516
01:10:29,696 --> 01:10:35,235
maybe it'll pique your curiosity.
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