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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,652 --> 00:00:06,888 I pledge allegiance to the flag 2 00:00:06,955 --> 00:00:09,391 Of the United States of america 3 00:00:09,458 --> 00:00:13,028 And to the republic for which it stands, 4 00:00:13,095 --> 00:00:15,563 One nation, indivisible, 5 00:00:15,631 --> 00:00:18,533 With liberty and justice for all. 6 00:00:35,518 --> 00:00:39,120 [bell ringing] 7 00:00:39,555 --> 00:00:40,722 Newscaster: Following the bitterly contested 8 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:42,957 25th republican national convention, 9 00:00:43,025 --> 00:00:44,826 Which saw general eisenhower 10 00:00:44,894 --> 00:00:46,294 Win over senator taft on the first ballot, 11 00:00:46,361 --> 00:00:48,663 A tumultuous convention greets the nomination 12 00:00:48,731 --> 00:00:52,767 Of the general, who's become mr. Eisenhower. 13 00:00:52,835 --> 00:00:55,303 With his running mate richard nixon, 14 00:00:55,370 --> 00:00:58,106 He'll face democrat adlai stevenson 15 00:00:58,174 --> 00:00:59,574 In the November election. 16 00:00:59,641 --> 00:01:01,442 Crowd: We like ike! 17 00:01:01,510 --> 00:01:03,745 We like ike! 18 00:01:05,715 --> 00:01:07,715 Newscaster: At the united nations general assembly, 19 00:01:07,783 --> 00:01:10,718 A u.N. Official walks in almost unnoticed. 20 00:01:10,786 --> 00:01:12,787 He's dr. Ralph bunche, 21 00:01:12,854 --> 00:01:14,322 Who, only a few hours before, 22 00:01:14,390 --> 00:01:17,559 Was announced winner of the nobel peace prize. 23 00:01:17,626 --> 00:01:19,727 The first negro to win the award, 24 00:01:19,795 --> 00:01:23,764 He is warmly congratulated by friends. 25 00:01:23,832 --> 00:01:25,700 The supreme court of the United States 26 00:01:25,767 --> 00:01:27,469 Will hear cases from 5 states 27 00:01:27,536 --> 00:01:30,355 To decide whether school segregation is legal. 28 00:01:30,422 --> 00:01:31,923 The south carolina case 29 00:01:31,991 --> 00:01:35,994 Was filed by 62 parents in clarendon county. 30 00:01:36,061 --> 00:01:38,930 South carolina governor james f. Byrnes announced 31 00:01:38,998 --> 00:01:40,799 That the nation's foremost trial lawyer, 32 00:01:40,867 --> 00:01:42,266 John w. Davis, 33 00:01:42,334 --> 00:01:44,870 Will argue the case before the supreme court. 34 00:01:51,627 --> 00:01:54,545 [boat whistles] 35 00:02:14,650 --> 00:02:17,185 [telephone rings] 36 00:02:17,253 --> 00:02:20,388 Woman: Hello. Legal defense fund. 37 00:02:20,455 --> 00:02:21,522 I'll ring. 38 00:02:26,896 --> 00:02:29,264 Mr. Hill is handling the virginia case. 39 00:02:36,005 --> 00:02:37,972 [whispering] 40 00:02:41,877 --> 00:02:43,444 Man: I'll tell bob carter. Yeah. 41 00:02:48,617 --> 00:02:50,251 Woman: Legal defense fund. 42 00:02:52,087 --> 00:02:54,722 I'm sorry. Mr. Marshall isn't taking any calls. 43 00:03:10,038 --> 00:03:12,407 Why, mr. Davis, how good to see you. 44 00:03:12,474 --> 00:03:13,408 Good morning. 45 00:03:31,827 --> 00:03:35,897 [toot toot] 46 00:03:44,139 --> 00:03:47,141 Here. This will help you sleep. 47 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,955 John w. Davis. 48 00:04:01,023 --> 00:04:04,092 The lawyer's lawyer. 49 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:06,027 In law school, I used to cut classes, 50 00:04:06,095 --> 00:04:07,561 Take the bus over to the supreme court, 51 00:04:07,629 --> 00:04:08,529 And watch him. 52 00:04:10,432 --> 00:04:13,935 He was the greatest solicitor general we ever had. 53 00:04:14,003 --> 00:04:17,272 I used to sit there and say to myself, 54 00:04:17,339 --> 00:04:19,340 "will I ever?" 55 00:04:19,408 --> 00:04:22,410 And every time I'd have to answer, 56 00:04:22,477 --> 00:04:25,280 "no... 57 00:04:25,347 --> 00:04:26,547 Never." 58 00:04:26,615 --> 00:04:29,617 Why does a man of his stature 59 00:04:29,684 --> 00:04:31,219 Take their side? 60 00:04:36,425 --> 00:04:39,761 The man has lived with the law for 50 years. 61 00:04:39,828 --> 00:04:42,497 He must believe those fellows at the supreme court 62 00:04:42,564 --> 00:04:43,998 Will see it his way. 63 00:04:44,065 --> 00:04:46,133 Well, you know what I think? 64 00:04:46,201 --> 00:04:49,069 I think you're the best lawyer in america, 65 00:04:49,137 --> 00:04:51,639 And that carter, greenberg, and hill 66 00:04:51,707 --> 00:04:53,541 Are not far behind. 67 00:04:54,810 --> 00:04:57,345 Well, we'll find out soon enough. 68 00:04:59,748 --> 00:05:02,383 Will dr. Levitt let you travel? 69 00:05:02,451 --> 00:05:04,719 I'll be there. 70 00:05:04,787 --> 00:05:06,754 He said one more week of treatments, 71 00:05:06,822 --> 00:05:08,489 Then I can travel. 72 00:05:10,659 --> 00:05:13,561 I'll press this and get the spots out. 73 00:05:13,629 --> 00:05:15,396 You got to get some new clothes. 74 00:05:19,435 --> 00:05:22,169 I want you to look like a great lawyer, too. 75 00:05:25,674 --> 00:05:28,776 [telephone rings] 76 00:05:28,844 --> 00:05:30,044 Hello. 77 00:05:30,346 --> 00:05:32,230 I got your message. 78 00:05:32,298 --> 00:05:34,199 It's j.A. Delaine. 79 00:05:34,266 --> 00:05:35,766 Can you get to washington? 80 00:05:35,834 --> 00:05:39,003 I've got a seat for you at the supreme court. 81 00:05:39,071 --> 00:05:40,305 I shall be there. 82 00:05:43,209 --> 00:05:44,342 Man: Tickets, please. 83 00:05:46,312 --> 00:05:48,045 [toot toot] 84 00:05:48,114 --> 00:05:50,081 [toot toot toot] 85 00:05:53,652 --> 00:05:55,120 Newscaster: Tomorrow here in washington, 86 00:05:55,187 --> 00:05:56,588 The supreme court will hear arguments 87 00:05:56,655 --> 00:05:58,756 On brown vs. The board of education. 88 00:05:58,824 --> 00:06:00,125 Lobbyists for the negro plaintiffs 89 00:06:00,192 --> 00:06:02,193 In 4 states and the district of columbia 90 00:06:02,261 --> 00:06:04,629 Are challenging the legality of school segregation. 91 00:06:04,696 --> 00:06:06,865 John w. Davis and thurgood marshall... 92 00:06:06,932 --> 00:06:08,566 Response has been terrific here. 93 00:06:08,634 --> 00:06:10,935 We've already collected $12,000, 94 00:06:11,003 --> 00:06:12,436 And our people are still on the phone. 95 00:06:12,504 --> 00:06:13,805 Please send it directly to our bank. 96 00:06:13,873 --> 00:06:15,106 We expect even more money. 97 00:06:15,174 --> 00:06:17,708 Thurgood greatly appreciates your help at a crucial time. 98 00:06:17,777 --> 00:06:19,610 Some say that felix frankfurter 99 00:06:19,678 --> 00:06:21,079 Is the key man on the court. 100 00:06:21,147 --> 00:06:23,014 There are 9 key men. 101 00:06:23,082 --> 00:06:24,649 Peter, why don't we get our new man 102 00:06:24,716 --> 00:06:26,084 To fill the gentlemen in. 103 00:06:26,285 --> 00:06:28,153 Bill coleman clerked for justice frankfurter 104 00:06:28,220 --> 00:06:30,188 During the 1948 term, 105 00:06:30,256 --> 00:06:33,090 The first colored man ever chosen as clerk. 106 00:06:33,159 --> 00:06:34,992 He knows the justices. 107 00:06:35,060 --> 00:06:37,428 Bill, would you give the gentlemen 108 00:06:37,496 --> 00:06:39,164 A sense of how the court stacks up? 109 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:44,602 Chief justice vinson... 110 00:06:44,670 --> 00:06:45,870 He plays poker 2 nights a week 111 00:06:45,937 --> 00:06:48,139 With president truman. 112 00:06:48,207 --> 00:06:49,240 Some say he's better 113 00:06:49,308 --> 00:06:50,642 At studying major league batting averages 114 00:06:50,709 --> 00:06:52,109 Than legal precedents. 115 00:06:52,178 --> 00:06:55,079 Vinson is a passive leader of a divided court. 116 00:06:55,147 --> 00:06:57,282 One result--less than half as many unanimous opinions 117 00:06:57,349 --> 00:06:59,484 This year as 10 years ago. 118 00:06:59,552 --> 00:07:01,886 Vinson relies heavily on legal precedent. 119 00:07:01,953 --> 00:07:04,255 He's reluctant to overturn established law. 120 00:07:06,058 --> 00:07:07,692 Tom clark, texas. 121 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:10,995 Conservative, votes with vinson 90% of the time. 122 00:07:11,063 --> 00:07:14,699 His own state of texas has 1,000 segregated schools. 123 00:07:14,766 --> 00:07:17,969 Justice stanley reed, kentucky. 124 00:07:19,671 --> 00:07:20,705 In some ways, 125 00:07:20,772 --> 00:07:22,874 He's still a small-town southern lawyer. 126 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:25,143 Says he opposes discrimination against negroes, 127 00:07:25,211 --> 00:07:27,678 But his solution could be equal schools, 128 00:07:27,746 --> 00:07:29,480 Not desegregation. 129 00:07:32,184 --> 00:07:34,685 These two we can count on. 130 00:07:34,753 --> 00:07:36,020 William o. Douglas 131 00:07:36,088 --> 00:07:37,655 Is the youngest member of the court. 132 00:07:37,723 --> 00:07:39,023 Hugo black, the oldest. 133 00:07:39,091 --> 00:07:40,725 The strongest defenders of individual liberties 134 00:07:40,792 --> 00:07:41,860 On the court. 135 00:07:44,129 --> 00:07:46,030 These two we have to work on-- 136 00:07:46,098 --> 00:07:48,733 Jackson and frankfurter. 137 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,301 Robert jackson was appointed to the court 138 00:07:50,369 --> 00:07:52,703 By roosevelt in 1941. 139 00:07:52,771 --> 00:07:54,339 He's still upset that truman passed him over 140 00:07:54,406 --> 00:07:57,408 When he made vinson chief justice. 141 00:07:57,476 --> 00:07:59,410 Do you know what stare decisis means? 142 00:07:59,478 --> 00:08:02,813 Yesterday's decision shall govern today's decision? 143 00:08:02,882 --> 00:08:03,982 Exactly. 144 00:08:04,049 --> 00:08:06,351 Jackson believes that precedents 145 00:08:06,418 --> 00:08:08,419 Are a force for stability. 146 00:08:08,487 --> 00:08:11,055 So, like a coral reef, 147 00:08:11,123 --> 00:08:14,125 The law becomes a structure of fossils. 148 00:08:14,193 --> 00:08:15,659 Felix frankfurter-- 149 00:08:15,727 --> 00:08:18,863 The finest intellect on the court. 150 00:08:18,930 --> 00:08:20,698 A jew born in europe. 151 00:08:20,766 --> 00:08:22,833 He knows discrimination. 152 00:08:22,901 --> 00:08:24,001 He used to say to us, 153 00:08:24,069 --> 00:08:27,305 "how we feel is not important. 154 00:08:27,373 --> 00:08:29,073 It's the law that matters." 155 00:08:29,141 --> 00:08:30,508 Is this davis fellow 156 00:08:30,576 --> 00:08:32,843 As brilliant as his reputation? 157 00:08:32,911 --> 00:08:35,346 They call him the lawyer's lawyer. 158 00:09:04,976 --> 00:09:06,744 I burned your old one. 159 00:09:12,785 --> 00:09:16,621 Tomorrow morning, I want you looking 160 00:09:16,689 --> 00:09:21,959 Every bit as good as mr. John w. Davis. 161 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,688 Driver: 12th street and new york avenue. 162 00:09:50,756 --> 00:09:51,823 Watch your step. 163 00:10:40,906 --> 00:10:43,323 Pa: The congressional has arrived from new york 164 00:10:43,391 --> 00:10:45,259 On track 9. 165 00:10:45,694 --> 00:10:46,794 Hello, julia. Hello, john. 166 00:10:46,861 --> 00:10:50,197 Mr. Davis, I cast my first vote for president 167 00:10:50,265 --> 00:10:52,433 In 1924 for you. 168 00:10:52,501 --> 00:10:53,834 Well, as things turned out, 169 00:10:53,902 --> 00:10:55,469 That vote didn't harm anyone. 170 00:10:55,537 --> 00:10:58,071 [chuckles] 171 00:10:58,139 --> 00:11:01,342 If everyone who says they voted for me actually did, 172 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,143 I'd have been president. 173 00:11:03,211 --> 00:11:04,278 [chuckles] 174 00:11:37,696 --> 00:11:40,498 [thunder] 175 00:12:00,836 --> 00:12:01,902 Good luck, marshall. 176 00:12:07,642 --> 00:12:10,377 Mrs. Marshall, I'm julia davis, 177 00:12:10,445 --> 00:12:12,079 Mr. Davis' daughter. 178 00:12:12,147 --> 00:12:13,647 It's nice to meet you. 179 00:12:13,715 --> 00:12:16,250 I have great respect for your husband. 180 00:12:16,317 --> 00:12:18,552 Thank you. 181 00:12:20,388 --> 00:12:21,521 Bailiff: All rise. 182 00:12:23,792 --> 00:12:25,192 The honorable the chief justice 183 00:12:25,260 --> 00:12:26,560 And the associate justices 184 00:12:26,628 --> 00:12:28,562 Of the supreme court of the United States. 185 00:12:28,630 --> 00:12:30,731 Oyez, oyez, oyez. 186 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:32,900 All persons having business before the honorable 187 00:12:32,968 --> 00:12:34,668 The supreme court of the United States 188 00:12:34,736 --> 00:12:36,703 Are invited to draw near and give their attention, 189 00:12:36,772 --> 00:12:38,773 For the court is now sitting. 190 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,540 God save the United States 191 00:12:40,608 --> 00:12:42,342 And this honorable court. 192 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:43,343 [gavel pounds] 193 00:12:47,715 --> 00:12:52,352 Case number 101-- harry briggs, jr. Et al. 194 00:12:52,788 --> 00:12:54,221 Against members of trustees 195 00:12:54,289 --> 00:12:57,024 Of school district number 22, 196 00:12:57,091 --> 00:13:01,028 Clarendon county, south carolina, et al. 197 00:13:01,095 --> 00:13:02,496 Counsel are present. 198 00:13:04,466 --> 00:13:06,434 Mr. Marshall. 199 00:13:13,074 --> 00:13:16,043 Mr. Chief justice. 200 00:13:16,110 --> 00:13:17,545 May it please the court, 201 00:13:17,612 --> 00:13:19,647 My colleagues will address 202 00:13:19,714 --> 00:13:22,082 The kansas, delaware, virginia, 203 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:23,818 And district of columbia cases. 204 00:13:23,885 --> 00:13:27,154 I will speak on behalf... 205 00:13:27,221 --> 00:13:29,790 Of harry briggs, jr. And the negro children 206 00:13:29,858 --> 00:13:32,493 Of the town of summerton, 207 00:13:32,561 --> 00:13:34,528 Who have raised their attack 208 00:13:34,596 --> 00:13:37,598 On the validity of the south carolina code 209 00:13:37,666 --> 00:13:39,032 Which reads, 210 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:40,534 "it shall be unlawful 211 00:13:40,602 --> 00:13:44,037 "for pupils of one race 212 00:13:44,105 --> 00:13:47,641 "to attend the schools provided 213 00:13:47,709 --> 00:13:50,978 For persons of another race." 214 00:13:56,818 --> 00:13:59,987 In the lower courts, 215 00:14:00,054 --> 00:14:05,493 We produced unchallenged experts 216 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:09,429 Who testified that segregation 217 00:14:09,498 --> 00:14:13,868 Damages the personality of negro children 218 00:14:13,935 --> 00:14:18,739 And destroys their self-respect. 219 00:14:18,807 --> 00:14:22,376 If ralph bunche, 220 00:14:22,443 --> 00:14:25,078 This nation's distinguished ambassador 221 00:14:25,146 --> 00:14:26,580 To the united nations, 222 00:14:26,648 --> 00:14:30,250 Were assigned to south carolina, 223 00:14:30,318 --> 00:14:31,752 It would be the will of the people 224 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:35,355 That his children go to a jim-crow school. 225 00:14:37,626 --> 00:14:40,027 No matter how great anyone becomes, 226 00:14:40,094 --> 00:14:42,830 If he happens to be a negro, 227 00:14:42,898 --> 00:14:49,537 His children are relegated to that school. 228 00:14:50,739 --> 00:14:52,806 Yet this court 229 00:14:52,874 --> 00:14:55,543 Is being asked by the defense 230 00:14:55,610 --> 00:14:58,712 To uphold the segregation law 231 00:14:58,780 --> 00:15:01,081 Of south carolina. 232 00:15:01,149 --> 00:15:04,718 Under our form of government, 233 00:15:04,786 --> 00:15:09,489 The only testing ground 234 00:15:09,557 --> 00:15:12,359 As to whether or not individual rights 235 00:15:12,427 --> 00:15:14,695 Are violated by the majority 236 00:15:14,762 --> 00:15:17,298 Is here in this, 237 00:15:17,365 --> 00:15:21,501 The supreme court of the United States. 238 00:15:21,569 --> 00:15:25,339 The court must weigh 239 00:15:25,406 --> 00:15:27,241 The rights of the negro children 240 00:15:27,309 --> 00:15:29,476 Against the public policy 241 00:15:29,544 --> 00:15:31,511 Of the state of south carolina. 242 00:15:31,579 --> 00:15:36,650 And if that policy violates those rights, 243 00:15:36,718 --> 00:15:40,054 Then this court, reluctant or otherwise, 244 00:15:40,121 --> 00:15:43,324 Is obliged to say 245 00:15:43,391 --> 00:15:46,894 That that policy has run up against 246 00:15:46,962 --> 00:15:49,763 The 14th amendment to the constitution, 247 00:15:49,831 --> 00:15:52,632 Which guarantees all citizens 248 00:15:52,700 --> 00:15:55,702 Equal treatment under the law. 249 00:15:57,172 --> 00:16:00,975 We, therefore, respectfully urge... 250 00:16:02,744 --> 00:16:04,845 That the judgment of the district court 251 00:16:04,913 --> 00:16:06,713 Be reversed 252 00:16:06,781 --> 00:16:10,117 And the children's rights be affirmed. 253 00:16:12,053 --> 00:16:13,988 Is it fair to say 254 00:16:14,055 --> 00:16:16,290 That the south carolina legislature 255 00:16:16,358 --> 00:16:18,592 Set up segregated schools 256 00:16:18,659 --> 00:16:20,727 To avoid racial friction? 257 00:16:20,795 --> 00:16:22,429 Yes, sir. 258 00:16:22,497 --> 00:16:23,964 Doesn't the legislature 259 00:16:24,032 --> 00:16:26,000 Have to weigh the advantage 260 00:16:26,067 --> 00:16:28,068 Of maintaining law and order 261 00:16:28,136 --> 00:16:30,570 Against what might be a disadvantage 262 00:16:30,638 --> 00:16:32,139 To the segregated group? 263 00:16:32,207 --> 00:16:35,142 I think that the legislature should, mr. Justice reed, 264 00:16:35,210 --> 00:16:38,212 But I--I think we have to bear in mind 265 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,281 That, as far as I know, 266 00:16:40,348 --> 00:16:41,815 In these states, 267 00:16:41,883 --> 00:16:44,351 There is not a single negro legislator 268 00:16:44,419 --> 00:16:45,886 Doing the weighing. 269 00:16:45,954 --> 00:16:49,056 The only point before this court 270 00:16:49,124 --> 00:16:51,825 Is the law as it was applied in clarendon county. 271 00:16:51,893 --> 00:16:53,193 All we are asking 272 00:16:53,261 --> 00:16:55,562 Is that the state-imposed racial segregation 273 00:16:55,630 --> 00:16:57,431 Be stopped 274 00:16:57,498 --> 00:16:58,765 And that the county school board 275 00:16:58,833 --> 00:17:01,402 Be instructed to work out a solution. 276 00:17:01,469 --> 00:17:02,970 What kind of a solution? 277 00:17:04,439 --> 00:17:05,772 They could assign children to schools 278 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,507 On any reasonable basis. 279 00:17:07,575 --> 00:17:08,508 You mean we would have 280 00:17:08,576 --> 00:17:10,411 Gerrymandering of school districts? 281 00:17:10,478 --> 00:17:12,179 Not gerrymandering, mr. Justice frankfurter. 282 00:17:12,247 --> 00:17:13,580 The new district lines 283 00:17:13,648 --> 00:17:16,016 Would simply have to be drawn on a natural basis 284 00:17:16,084 --> 00:17:18,285 Without regard to race or color. 285 00:17:18,353 --> 00:17:19,586 It would be important to me 286 00:17:19,654 --> 00:17:20,720 To have you spell out 287 00:17:20,788 --> 00:17:22,323 Exactly what would happen 288 00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:23,924 If this court reverses 289 00:17:23,992 --> 00:17:26,193 And the case goes back to south carolina. 290 00:17:26,261 --> 00:17:27,227 What is important 291 00:17:27,295 --> 00:17:29,997 Is that we get the principle established. 292 00:17:30,065 --> 00:17:34,368 Segregation by race is not legal. 293 00:17:36,637 --> 00:17:39,773 It is impossible right now 294 00:17:39,841 --> 00:17:43,077 To say precisely how it will work. 295 00:17:43,144 --> 00:17:44,411 I think it's important to know 296 00:17:44,479 --> 00:17:47,214 Before one starts out where he is going. 297 00:17:48,950 --> 00:17:51,952 I would like to reserve the remainder of my time. 298 00:18:03,465 --> 00:18:04,531 I was watching 299 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:07,334 Chief justice vinson very carefully, 300 00:18:07,402 --> 00:18:08,602 His face. 301 00:18:08,669 --> 00:18:11,605 I don't like the expression in his eyes. 302 00:18:17,012 --> 00:18:18,979 How did we do? 303 00:18:19,047 --> 00:18:20,514 I think we've made a number of points 304 00:18:20,581 --> 00:18:21,948 Very effectively. 305 00:18:22,017 --> 00:18:23,650 Truth is, fellas, 306 00:18:23,718 --> 00:18:26,020 I wasn't very good. 307 00:18:26,087 --> 00:18:28,555 Frankfurter is thorny. 308 00:18:28,623 --> 00:18:32,159 Hardly lets a man finish a sentence. 309 00:18:32,227 --> 00:18:34,694 An experienced lawyer is prepared for that. 310 00:18:34,762 --> 00:18:37,197 I let myself get bogged down in detail. 311 00:18:37,265 --> 00:18:38,832 The one thing I wanted to do 312 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:41,902 Was find a way to talk about the principle, 313 00:18:41,969 --> 00:18:44,338 Convince them that segregation 314 00:18:44,406 --> 00:18:48,008 Is morally wrong, 315 00:18:48,076 --> 00:18:52,413 That there is no such thing as separate equality. 316 00:18:53,581 --> 00:18:55,815 Davis: Says counsel for the plaintiff, 317 00:18:55,883 --> 00:18:58,018 "we have the uncontradicted testimony 318 00:18:58,086 --> 00:18:59,553 "of expert witnesses 319 00:18:59,620 --> 00:19:02,122 "that segregation is hurtful to the children 320 00:19:02,190 --> 00:19:04,558 Of both the colored and the white races." 321 00:19:04,625 --> 00:19:06,660 Now, there are experts, 322 00:19:06,727 --> 00:19:09,196 And there are experts. 323 00:19:09,264 --> 00:19:10,697 Let me read a sentence or 2 324 00:19:10,765 --> 00:19:12,799 From w.E.B. Dubois, 325 00:19:12,867 --> 00:19:14,601 The great negro educator. 326 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,075 "I have seen wise and loving colored parents 327 00:19:21,142 --> 00:19:22,609 "take infinite pains 328 00:19:22,677 --> 00:19:25,579 "to force their little children into schools 329 00:19:25,646 --> 00:19:29,249 "where the white children and white teachers 330 00:19:29,317 --> 00:19:32,519 "despised and bullied the dark child. 331 00:19:32,587 --> 00:19:33,753 "now, such parents want their children 332 00:19:33,821 --> 00:19:35,255 "to fight this thing out, 333 00:19:35,323 --> 00:19:38,358 But, dear god, at what a cost." 334 00:19:38,426 --> 00:19:40,594 Dr. Dubois concludes, 335 00:19:40,661 --> 00:19:42,796 "we shall do better by putting the children 336 00:19:42,863 --> 00:19:44,565 "in schools where they are wanted 337 00:19:44,632 --> 00:19:46,967 "than by thrusting them into hells 338 00:19:47,034 --> 00:19:50,437 Where they are ridiculed and hated." 339 00:19:50,505 --> 00:19:52,839 Let me come now to what is the crux of this case-- 340 00:19:52,907 --> 00:19:54,941 That is the meaning and interpretation 341 00:19:55,009 --> 00:19:56,710 Of the 14th amendment 342 00:19:56,777 --> 00:19:59,413 To the constitution of the United States. 343 00:19:59,481 --> 00:20:01,315 Your honors have said it is your duty, 344 00:20:01,382 --> 00:20:02,483 And I quote, 345 00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:04,884 "to place ourselves as nearly as possible 346 00:20:04,952 --> 00:20:08,355 In the condition of the men who framed the instrument." 347 00:20:08,423 --> 00:20:09,756 Now, what was the condition 348 00:20:09,824 --> 00:20:11,992 Of those who framed the instrument? 349 00:20:12,059 --> 00:20:13,460 I will tell you. 350 00:20:13,528 --> 00:20:16,597 The resolution proposing the 14th amendment 351 00:20:16,664 --> 00:20:20,634 Was proffered by congress in June of 1866. 352 00:20:20,701 --> 00:20:22,569 One month later, the same congress 353 00:20:22,637 --> 00:20:25,172 Established separate schools for the races 354 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,342 Right here in the district of columbia. 355 00:20:28,409 --> 00:20:31,411 And from that good day to this, 356 00:20:31,479 --> 00:20:34,481 Congress has not wavered in that policy. 357 00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:37,417 So clearly, the congress does not believe 358 00:20:37,485 --> 00:20:40,587 That the constitution speaks against segregated schools. 359 00:20:40,655 --> 00:20:42,256 What is your answer, mr. Davis, 360 00:20:42,323 --> 00:20:43,557 To the suggestion 361 00:20:43,625 --> 00:20:46,193 That the constitution is a living document 362 00:20:46,261 --> 00:20:48,995 That must be interpreted in relation to the facts 363 00:20:49,063 --> 00:20:50,964 At the time it is interpreted? 364 00:20:51,032 --> 00:20:53,567 My answer to that, mr. Justice douglas, 365 00:20:53,635 --> 00:20:57,070 Is that changed conditions do not expand the language 366 00:20:57,138 --> 00:21:00,040 That the framers of the constitution employed. 367 00:21:00,107 --> 00:21:01,341 And it is inconceivable that the congress 368 00:21:01,409 --> 00:21:03,410 Which passed the 14th amendment 369 00:21:03,478 --> 00:21:05,779 Would have forbidden the states 370 00:21:05,846 --> 00:21:07,548 To employ an educational plan 371 00:21:07,615 --> 00:21:09,082 Which congress itself 372 00:21:09,150 --> 00:21:11,652 Was employing in the district of columbia. 373 00:21:11,719 --> 00:21:14,655 No court, I respectfully submit, 374 00:21:14,722 --> 00:21:17,791 Is justified in ignoring that. 375 00:21:17,858 --> 00:21:19,493 And over the years, this court has spoken 376 00:21:19,561 --> 00:21:21,861 In the most clear and unmistakable terms 377 00:21:21,929 --> 00:21:25,499 To the effect that segregation is not unlawful. 378 00:21:25,567 --> 00:21:27,434 In plessy vs. Ferguson 379 00:21:27,502 --> 00:21:30,036 And in 6 subsequent cases, 380 00:21:30,104 --> 00:21:32,639 The doctrine of separate but equal 381 00:21:32,707 --> 00:21:34,474 Has been upheld. 382 00:21:34,542 --> 00:21:37,744 So, your honors, I might ask, 383 00:21:37,812 --> 00:21:41,682 Why should this be a matter of great national policy? 384 00:21:41,749 --> 00:21:44,084 Is it not a fact the very strength and fiber 385 00:21:44,151 --> 00:21:45,485 Of our federal system 386 00:21:45,553 --> 00:21:47,387 Is local self-government? 387 00:21:49,524 --> 00:21:51,225 I respectfully submit 388 00:21:51,292 --> 00:21:54,761 There is no reason why this court or any other 389 00:21:54,829 --> 00:21:58,565 Should reverse the findings of 90 years. 390 00:21:58,867 --> 00:21:59,566 Mr. Marshall. 391 00:21:59,634 --> 00:22:00,634 Mr. Marshall, over here, please. 392 00:22:00,702 --> 00:22:02,869 How will the court rule? 393 00:22:02,937 --> 00:22:04,671 Mr. Carter, come this way, please. 394 00:22:04,739 --> 00:22:06,440 Masterful, john. 395 00:22:06,507 --> 00:22:08,041 You did us proud. 396 00:22:08,109 --> 00:22:09,443 Thank you, jim. 397 00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:10,877 How do you see it? 398 00:22:10,945 --> 00:22:13,213 Oh, 6-3. Maybe 5-4. 399 00:22:13,281 --> 00:22:15,915 In the language of the famous general, 400 00:22:15,983 --> 00:22:17,451 We've got them. 401 00:22:17,518 --> 00:22:19,286 And they'll never get home. 402 00:22:20,555 --> 00:22:22,289 Mr. Marshall, aren't all the precedents 403 00:22:22,357 --> 00:22:23,323 That have been set 404 00:22:23,391 --> 00:22:24,558 Relating to this decision... 405 00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:57,524 Well, bob, I guess it's out of our hands. 406 00:22:57,591 --> 00:23:00,294 The lives and hopes of so many millions 407 00:23:00,361 --> 00:23:05,098 Rest in the hands of those 9 men. 408 00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:06,166 When do you think 409 00:23:06,234 --> 00:23:07,867 They'll come down with a decision? 410 00:23:07,936 --> 00:23:10,203 Months, not weeks. 411 00:23:13,707 --> 00:23:16,609 I let myself get tangled up 412 00:23:16,677 --> 00:23:19,646 In their questions... 413 00:23:21,382 --> 00:23:23,350 And caught in the underbrush. 414 00:23:23,418 --> 00:23:24,651 Davis... 415 00:23:25,987 --> 00:23:29,589 He makes it sound like pages of history. 416 00:23:29,657 --> 00:23:31,758 Come on, thurgood. 417 00:23:31,826 --> 00:23:32,960 It's christmas. 418 00:23:34,329 --> 00:23:36,629 Yeah. 419 00:23:36,697 --> 00:23:38,198 What about this housing case? 420 00:23:38,266 --> 00:23:39,433 I'll take care of things. 421 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:40,633 Don't you worry. 422 00:23:40,701 --> 00:23:42,336 These people are depending on us. 423 00:23:42,403 --> 00:23:44,871 Buster needs you now. 424 00:23:51,179 --> 00:23:52,179 Yeah. 425 00:23:52,246 --> 00:23:53,813 All these years you've been tramping 426 00:23:53,881 --> 00:23:56,950 In and out of southern courthouses. 427 00:23:57,018 --> 00:23:59,219 Now is the time you can be with her. 428 00:24:03,724 --> 00:24:04,992 Yeah. 429 00:24:07,728 --> 00:24:09,729 I'll keep in touch. 430 00:24:11,899 --> 00:24:13,400 Thurgood... 431 00:24:13,468 --> 00:24:15,535 Is she going to be ok? 432 00:24:18,072 --> 00:24:19,373 She's got to be ok. 433 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:27,280 Peter roberts: The nation's capital, 434 00:24:27,348 --> 00:24:28,782 Ready for its day of days, 435 00:24:28,850 --> 00:24:31,150 The inauguration of a new president. 436 00:24:37,191 --> 00:24:40,226 The dignitaries file through the capitol rotunda 437 00:24:40,294 --> 00:24:41,395 Toward the portico, 438 00:24:41,462 --> 00:24:44,230 Where the transfer of the presidency will occur. 439 00:24:44,298 --> 00:24:46,566 Here are members of congress. 440 00:24:46,634 --> 00:24:48,067 Behind them, 441 00:24:48,135 --> 00:24:50,437 Members of the supreme court of the United States 442 00:24:50,505 --> 00:24:52,005 In judicial robes. 443 00:24:52,072 --> 00:24:54,074 I, dwight d. Eisenhower, 444 00:24:54,142 --> 00:24:55,892 Do solemnly swear 445 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,461 That I will faithfully execute the office 446 00:24:58,529 --> 00:25:00,797 Of the president of the United States 447 00:25:00,865 --> 00:25:03,049 And will, to the best of my ability, 448 00:25:03,117 --> 00:25:06,185 Preserve, protect, and defend 449 00:25:06,253 --> 00:25:08,922 The constitution of the United States, 450 00:25:08,989 --> 00:25:10,323 So help me god. 451 00:25:14,929 --> 00:25:16,362 Seen justice frankfurter? 452 00:25:16,431 --> 00:25:17,764 Yes, sir. Been here at least an hour. 453 00:25:17,832 --> 00:25:19,265 Came in at 7:30 sharp. 454 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,873 Mr. Justice reed, mr. Justice jackson. 455 00:25:26,941 --> 00:25:27,941 Both: Good morning. 456 00:25:36,918 --> 00:25:38,384 Morning, sir. 457 00:25:38,453 --> 00:25:40,487 Here are the notes on the 14th amendment 458 00:25:40,555 --> 00:25:42,188 For the clarendon matter. 459 00:25:42,256 --> 00:25:43,890 Yes, mark. 460 00:25:45,159 --> 00:25:46,793 Have the brethren assembled? 461 00:25:46,861 --> 00:25:48,294 I saw justices reed and jackson 462 00:25:48,362 --> 00:25:49,696 Going up the hall. 463 00:25:49,764 --> 00:25:51,164 May I ask how it's going? 464 00:25:51,231 --> 00:25:52,165 You may. 465 00:25:52,232 --> 00:25:53,433 But knowing as you do 466 00:25:53,501 --> 00:25:55,836 That the deliberations of the justices are privileged, 467 00:25:55,903 --> 00:25:58,338 You may not expect a reply. 468 00:26:00,341 --> 00:26:02,843 Stuck in the mud. No leadership. 469 00:26:02,910 --> 00:26:03,944 The chief? 470 00:26:04,011 --> 00:26:05,345 Heh heh. 471 00:26:08,215 --> 00:26:09,282 Good morning. 472 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:11,050 Mr. Justice black, mr. Justice douglas, 473 00:26:11,118 --> 00:26:12,986 Mr. Justice clark... 474 00:26:13,053 --> 00:26:15,856 Mr. Justice reed, mr. Justice jackson. 475 00:26:17,592 --> 00:26:19,292 It's very simple for me. 476 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,461 The state cannot classify people 477 00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:23,730 By color for education. 478 00:26:23,798 --> 00:26:24,965 I'm with douglas. 479 00:26:25,032 --> 00:26:26,733 Prepared to desegregate. 480 00:26:26,801 --> 00:26:30,003 I see it differently from black and douglas. 481 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:31,771 You have to look at the achievements 482 00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:33,139 Of the negro people, 483 00:26:33,207 --> 00:26:35,575 The remarkable progress that's been made 484 00:26:35,643 --> 00:26:39,479 Since the deprivations of slavery till today. 485 00:26:39,547 --> 00:26:42,516 I believe that in time, the states, 486 00:26:42,583 --> 00:26:44,484 As this progress continues, 487 00:26:44,552 --> 00:26:47,120 Will themselves lower the barrier. 488 00:26:47,187 --> 00:26:49,389 Meanwhile, the plessy decision, 489 00:26:49,456 --> 00:26:51,324 With its separate but equal doctrine, 490 00:26:51,392 --> 00:26:52,592 Is the law of the land. 491 00:26:52,660 --> 00:26:54,861 It has been for half a century. 492 00:26:54,929 --> 00:26:58,264 I see no compelling reason for overturning it now. 493 00:26:58,332 --> 00:27:00,299 I agree with reed. 494 00:27:00,367 --> 00:27:01,868 We were not appointed to this court 495 00:27:01,936 --> 00:27:02,869 To make the law, 496 00:27:02,937 --> 00:27:04,137 We're here to interpret it. 497 00:27:04,204 --> 00:27:07,240 I'm comfortable with the precedents before us. 498 00:27:07,307 --> 00:27:08,975 [chuckles] doesn't stare decisis mean 499 00:27:09,043 --> 00:27:10,777 That the court doesn't change its mind 500 00:27:10,845 --> 00:27:13,246 Just because some new justices come along? 501 00:27:18,252 --> 00:27:20,219 The colored children in south carolina, 502 00:27:20,287 --> 00:27:22,622 Kansas, delaware, virginia, 503 00:27:22,690 --> 00:27:24,290 And the district of columbia 504 00:27:24,358 --> 00:27:27,093 Appealed to this court, claiming that segregation 505 00:27:27,161 --> 00:27:30,096 Denies them equal opportunity. 506 00:27:30,164 --> 00:27:32,131 Now, we can't wear blinders. 507 00:27:32,199 --> 00:27:34,400 The state segregation laws must be struck down. 508 00:27:34,468 --> 00:27:36,570 I simply do not agree 509 00:27:36,637 --> 00:27:38,572 That the framers of the 14th amendment 510 00:27:38,639 --> 00:27:41,407 Intended to bar segregated schools. 511 00:27:41,475 --> 00:27:44,678 It doesn't say that. It says, "equal protection," 512 00:27:44,745 --> 00:27:48,298 And the schools are being equalized. 513 00:27:48,365 --> 00:27:50,533 What about the congress? 514 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:51,868 It's their job to take this on 515 00:27:51,936 --> 00:27:53,602 And save us from becoming 516 00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:57,773 A 9-man school board for the entire country. 517 00:27:57,842 --> 00:27:59,976 I'm concerned over the effect on the country 518 00:28:00,044 --> 00:28:01,510 If this court should put forward 519 00:28:01,578 --> 00:28:03,313 A divided decision. 520 00:28:03,380 --> 00:28:05,815 Felix, we have issued split decisions before, 521 00:28:05,883 --> 00:28:07,851 And the republic has survived nicely. 522 00:28:07,918 --> 00:28:08,985 Of course we have, 523 00:28:09,053 --> 00:28:10,854 But this is an explosive issue. 524 00:28:12,656 --> 00:28:14,290 Some governors have stated publicly 525 00:28:14,358 --> 00:28:16,826 That they would resist an order to desegregate. 526 00:28:16,894 --> 00:28:18,895 It would be a catastrophe if this court 527 00:28:18,963 --> 00:28:22,131 Put forward a decision it can't enforce. 528 00:28:22,199 --> 00:28:23,566 Perhaps felix' warning 529 00:28:23,633 --> 00:28:25,735 Should lead us in the direction of caution 530 00:28:25,802 --> 00:28:27,837 When it comes to overturning precedents 531 00:28:27,905 --> 00:28:29,805 Which have been so continuously upheld 532 00:28:29,874 --> 00:28:31,341 By the court. 533 00:28:31,408 --> 00:28:34,010 We can move on to other matters 534 00:28:34,078 --> 00:28:36,412 And revisit the school cases at another time. 535 00:28:52,729 --> 00:28:55,064 It just seems so clear-cut to me. 536 00:28:55,132 --> 00:28:56,332 Segregation is wrong, 537 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,001 So the court votes to ban it. 538 00:28:58,068 --> 00:28:59,568 Bang. 539 00:28:59,636 --> 00:29:01,837 Yes, mark, a moral question 540 00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:04,307 And a legal question 541 00:29:04,375 --> 00:29:05,674 And what else? 542 00:29:05,742 --> 00:29:06,776 Nothing else. 543 00:29:06,843 --> 00:29:09,212 Wrong. It's also a political question. 544 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,813 The supreme court is above that. 545 00:29:10,881 --> 00:29:11,814 That's why justices 546 00:29:11,882 --> 00:29:13,182 Have lifetime appointments. 547 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:14,583 That doesn't keep justices-- 548 00:29:14,651 --> 00:29:16,485 Some justices-- from being concerned 549 00:29:16,553 --> 00:29:18,621 About the political effect of what they do, 550 00:29:18,688 --> 00:29:21,524 Including this justice. 551 00:29:21,591 --> 00:29:25,161 If we come down with a 5-4 decision to desegregate 552 00:29:25,229 --> 00:29:26,362 Or if we come down with 553 00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:29,532 A 6-3 decision to uphold separate but equal, 554 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:31,000 There will be the majority opinion 555 00:29:31,068 --> 00:29:34,337 And one, 2, or 3 dissenting opinions. 556 00:29:34,405 --> 00:29:36,572 Judges like to put their spoon in the pie. 557 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,775 After 6 conferences, we are still split. 558 00:29:39,843 --> 00:29:41,044 A divided court 559 00:29:41,112 --> 00:29:44,447 Will send a terribly confused signal to the country. 560 00:29:44,515 --> 00:29:45,948 Could have massive opposition, 561 00:29:46,017 --> 00:29:47,884 Whichever way the decision goes. 562 00:29:49,753 --> 00:29:51,888 So, what happens? 563 00:29:53,090 --> 00:29:55,158 You need a kochloffel. 564 00:29:55,226 --> 00:29:57,027 What's a kochloffel? 565 00:29:58,295 --> 00:30:02,332 A cooking spoon that stirs things up. 566 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,534 Now we should turn our attention 567 00:30:04,601 --> 00:30:06,602 To the school cases. 568 00:30:06,670 --> 00:30:07,703 I do believe it is time 569 00:30:07,771 --> 00:30:10,806 To cut the cards and deal. 570 00:30:10,874 --> 00:30:12,909 I know where I stand. 571 00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:20,716 I've been thinking. 572 00:30:20,784 --> 00:30:24,087 The 14th amendment is at the heart of this question. 573 00:30:24,155 --> 00:30:25,288 How can we be sure 574 00:30:25,356 --> 00:30:27,190 What the intent of the amendment is 575 00:30:27,258 --> 00:30:28,691 Unless we know what was in the mind 576 00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:31,594 Of the congress that framed it in 1865 577 00:30:31,662 --> 00:30:34,931 And the state legislatures that ratified it? 578 00:30:34,998 --> 00:30:38,834 Did they intend for it to forbid segregated schools? 579 00:30:38,902 --> 00:30:41,037 We are being asked to make what could be 580 00:30:41,105 --> 00:30:43,039 The most important judicial decision 581 00:30:43,107 --> 00:30:44,874 Of this century, 582 00:30:44,942 --> 00:30:47,743 And we are doing it without all the facts. 583 00:30:47,811 --> 00:30:50,180 I propose... 584 00:30:50,247 --> 00:30:52,882 That we ask counsel on both sides 585 00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:56,752 To come back and re-argue the case, 586 00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:58,888 Focusing on this question-- 587 00:30:58,956 --> 00:31:00,256 What evidence is there 588 00:31:00,324 --> 00:31:01,624 That the framers contemplated 589 00:31:01,692 --> 00:31:03,593 Or did not contemplate 590 00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:06,162 That the 14th amendment would abolish segregation 591 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:08,664 In the public schools? 592 00:31:08,732 --> 00:31:10,633 With that information, 593 00:31:10,701 --> 00:31:12,935 We would be able to make a sound judgment. 594 00:31:18,492 --> 00:31:20,192 Excellent. Excellent. 595 00:31:31,588 --> 00:31:33,389 [baseball game on radio] 596 00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:38,761 [telephone rings] 597 00:31:41,565 --> 00:31:42,698 [ring] 598 00:31:42,766 --> 00:31:43,666 Hello. 599 00:31:45,802 --> 00:31:46,902 Are you sure? 600 00:31:48,939 --> 00:31:49,872 Thanks. 601 00:31:54,011 --> 00:31:55,878 Re-argument. 602 00:32:02,019 --> 00:32:04,020 Will you sign an invoice? 603 00:32:04,087 --> 00:32:05,488 Uh, take it up front. 604 00:32:10,594 --> 00:32:12,862 It's the new york times. James rustenpalmer? 605 00:32:14,465 --> 00:32:16,299 Invoice? 606 00:32:16,367 --> 00:32:20,370 $16.23. 607 00:32:20,437 --> 00:32:21,904 C.O.D. 608 00:32:21,972 --> 00:32:24,374 Um...Greenberg, 609 00:32:24,441 --> 00:32:27,009 This man needs $16.23. 610 00:32:27,077 --> 00:32:28,278 We're good for it. 611 00:32:28,345 --> 00:32:30,180 Thurgood, professor franklin. 612 00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:34,284 John hope? Ha ha ha ha! 613 00:32:34,351 --> 00:32:36,085 What are you doing? 614 00:32:36,153 --> 00:32:37,654 Going back to howard, eh? 615 00:32:37,721 --> 00:32:40,022 Good. You know what else you're going to be doing? 616 00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:41,791 You're going to be working for me. 617 00:32:41,858 --> 00:32:45,495 I need the best historians and constitutional scholars. 618 00:32:45,563 --> 00:32:47,263 The supreme court wants to know 619 00:32:47,331 --> 00:32:49,632 What those white men were thinking 100 years ago 620 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:53,603 When they passed the 14th amendment. 621 00:32:53,671 --> 00:32:56,005 Be on the train tonight. 622 00:32:56,073 --> 00:32:58,841 Thurgood, bob ming is coming in from chicago. 623 00:32:58,909 --> 00:33:01,110 He knows the 1865 debates by heart. 624 00:33:01,178 --> 00:33:02,278 We don't have money 625 00:33:02,346 --> 00:33:03,479 For train fare for these people. 626 00:33:03,547 --> 00:33:04,647 Tell him we're good for it. 627 00:33:04,715 --> 00:33:07,317 Alice, telegrams to all our supporters. 628 00:33:07,384 --> 00:33:09,134 Tell them the supreme court has deferred judgement. 629 00:33:09,202 --> 00:33:10,803 We have to re-argue the case 630 00:33:10,871 --> 00:33:12,839 And we need emergency funds. 631 00:33:12,906 --> 00:33:15,040 Tell them-- you know how to word it. 632 00:33:15,108 --> 00:33:16,375 We need money bad. 633 00:33:16,443 --> 00:33:18,611 Thurgood, when the 14th amendment was ratified, 634 00:33:18,679 --> 00:33:20,145 There were 37 states. 635 00:33:20,213 --> 00:33:21,714 You better research all of them. 636 00:33:21,782 --> 00:33:23,366 Did you reach henry steele commager? 637 00:33:23,433 --> 00:33:25,150 Peanut talked to him. 638 00:33:25,218 --> 00:33:27,954 He's not available. At oxford for the summer. 639 00:33:28,021 --> 00:33:29,722 He sent this message-- 640 00:33:29,790 --> 00:33:32,024 "I greatly fear your premise is wrong. 641 00:33:32,092 --> 00:33:33,225 "the framers of the amendment 642 00:33:33,293 --> 00:33:34,861 "did not, as far as we know, intend 643 00:33:34,928 --> 00:33:36,662 "that it should be used to end segregation 644 00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:38,163 "in public schools. 645 00:33:38,231 --> 00:33:39,465 "I strongly urge you 646 00:33:39,533 --> 00:33:41,400 "to consider dropping that particular argument 647 00:33:41,468 --> 00:33:43,435 Because it weakens your case." 648 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,008 Bob, get to horace bond. 649 00:33:49,075 --> 00:33:50,409 He's the best scholar of political strategies 650 00:33:50,477 --> 00:33:51,777 Of that time. 651 00:33:51,845 --> 00:33:53,713 Any of you guys know anybody who would give us money, 652 00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:54,814 Get to work on them. 653 00:33:54,882 --> 00:33:57,650 We've got bills--travel, offices, telephones. 654 00:33:57,718 --> 00:34:00,653 If they shut off our phones, we are out of business. 655 00:34:00,721 --> 00:34:01,721 And there are a lot of people 656 00:34:01,788 --> 00:34:03,890 Who would like to see our door slammed. 657 00:34:03,957 --> 00:34:05,658 I'm like general patton-- 658 00:34:05,726 --> 00:34:07,092 The best tanks money could buy, 659 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,328 But no gas to run them on. 660 00:34:11,515 --> 00:34:12,815 Can I help you? 661 00:34:12,883 --> 00:34:13,783 I'm black. 662 00:34:15,819 --> 00:34:17,053 You're black? 663 00:34:17,121 --> 00:34:19,289 Charles black from austin, texas. 664 00:34:19,356 --> 00:34:20,924 What can we do for you? 665 00:34:20,991 --> 00:34:22,658 I'm here to help. 666 00:34:22,726 --> 00:34:24,760 I'm a professor and a lawyer, 667 00:34:24,828 --> 00:34:26,595 And I can write a little. 668 00:34:26,663 --> 00:34:28,764 They said you needed help. 669 00:34:28,832 --> 00:34:32,235 Yes. They called me about you. 670 00:34:32,303 --> 00:34:34,904 Find the professor some sit-down space. 671 00:34:37,074 --> 00:34:38,942 We could use all the help we can get. 672 00:34:48,001 --> 00:34:48,967 You can report 673 00:34:49,035 --> 00:34:51,070 To the honorable governor, mr. Tulley, 674 00:34:51,137 --> 00:34:52,104 That I have assigned 675 00:34:52,172 --> 00:34:54,073 2 of the brightest young men of our firm 676 00:34:54,140 --> 00:34:55,974 To lead the research-- 677 00:34:56,042 --> 00:34:59,445 Mr. Straight from harvard, mr. Mcpherson from yale-- 678 00:34:59,513 --> 00:35:02,448 But they do work together harmoniously. 679 00:35:02,516 --> 00:35:05,851 Mr. Marshall seems to have fallen on hard times-- 680 00:35:05,919 --> 00:35:08,087 Soliciting our partners. 681 00:35:13,426 --> 00:35:14,627 "send tax-deductible gift 682 00:35:14,695 --> 00:35:17,646 "to naacp legal defense fund, new york. 683 00:35:17,714 --> 00:35:19,215 Thurgood marshall." 684 00:35:20,951 --> 00:35:21,985 Well, maybe we should 685 00:35:22,052 --> 00:35:24,120 Turn mr. Straight and mr. Mcpherson here loose 686 00:35:24,188 --> 00:35:25,688 On their tax-deductible status. 687 00:35:25,755 --> 00:35:27,223 That's not our style. 688 00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:28,557 Their time will be better spent 689 00:35:28,625 --> 00:35:30,826 In the libraries. 690 00:35:30,894 --> 00:35:32,695 The attorney general of south carolina 691 00:35:32,762 --> 00:35:34,063 Has asked his counterparts 692 00:35:34,131 --> 00:35:37,033 In 37 other states that concern us 693 00:35:37,101 --> 00:35:39,335 To research their state archives 694 00:35:39,403 --> 00:35:41,371 At no expense to us. 695 00:35:41,438 --> 00:35:43,439 The research will show that the states were 696 00:35:43,507 --> 00:35:44,840 Determined to retain the right 697 00:35:44,908 --> 00:35:46,942 To shape their schools 698 00:35:47,011 --> 00:35:48,878 To fit their particular region. 699 00:35:48,945 --> 00:35:50,246 Now, the marshall people will be looking 700 00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:52,181 For something specific, 701 00:35:52,249 --> 00:35:53,516 Something that shows that congress 702 00:35:53,583 --> 00:35:56,185 Intended for the 14th amendment 703 00:35:56,253 --> 00:35:59,355 To prohibit separate schools... 704 00:36:03,860 --> 00:36:05,694 But they won't find it. 705 00:36:11,635 --> 00:36:13,335 Buster? 706 00:36:13,404 --> 00:36:15,237 Yes, honey? 707 00:36:18,609 --> 00:36:19,575 Where have you been? 708 00:36:19,643 --> 00:36:20,877 Errands. 709 00:36:36,192 --> 00:36:37,794 What were you doing? 710 00:36:37,861 --> 00:36:41,297 I had a whole bunch of errands. 711 00:36:44,501 --> 00:36:45,902 Where's your watch? 712 00:36:47,571 --> 00:36:49,572 I sold it. 713 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,107 You can't do that. 714 00:36:52,175 --> 00:36:54,176 I did it. 715 00:36:54,244 --> 00:36:55,711 We've got contributors. 716 00:36:55,779 --> 00:36:57,747 I won't take the money. 717 00:36:57,815 --> 00:36:59,582 Then I'll mail it in. 718 00:36:59,650 --> 00:37:01,083 Buster! 719 00:37:10,928 --> 00:37:14,163 When they wouldn't let me into the law school 720 00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:15,531 At the university of maryland, 721 00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:20,470 My mother went downtown to the crown pawnshop 722 00:37:20,537 --> 00:37:22,672 And sold her engagement band 723 00:37:22,739 --> 00:37:23,940 And her wedding ring 724 00:37:24,007 --> 00:37:26,342 To pay for me to go to law school at howard. 725 00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:27,643 So? 726 00:37:28,112 --> 00:37:30,996 So, I don't want you selling your jewelry. 727 00:37:31,064 --> 00:37:33,583 And what if your mother hadn't sold those rings? 728 00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:35,118 Where would you be now, hmm? 729 00:37:35,185 --> 00:37:36,568 I just don't like it. 730 00:37:36,636 --> 00:37:39,671 Thurgood, you once said to me 731 00:37:39,740 --> 00:37:41,406 That the fight for civil rights 732 00:37:41,474 --> 00:37:43,375 Was worth a life. 733 00:37:43,443 --> 00:37:44,509 Remember? 734 00:37:46,412 --> 00:37:49,866 I can get along without a watch, 735 00:37:49,933 --> 00:37:53,402 But I can't get along without supper. 736 00:37:54,972 --> 00:37:55,972 And I want to know 737 00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:59,008 Everything that's going on. 738 00:37:59,075 --> 00:38:02,378 We've got the best professors and historians 739 00:38:02,445 --> 00:38:04,780 From all around the country. 740 00:38:04,848 --> 00:38:07,917 And thanks to howard university and charlie houston, 741 00:38:07,985 --> 00:38:09,719 Our lawyers are as good or better 742 00:38:09,786 --> 00:38:11,587 Than the ivy league boys. 743 00:38:13,089 --> 00:38:20,730 And I will have a second chance... 744 00:38:20,797 --> 00:38:22,932 To argue this case. 745 00:38:26,503 --> 00:38:29,505 Like the old saying, 746 00:38:29,573 --> 00:38:34,544 "I'm a man of peace, but I adore a riot." 747 00:38:35,879 --> 00:38:37,930 Ming and I think the real key 748 00:38:37,997 --> 00:38:40,966 Lies in the ex-confederate states in the south. 749 00:38:41,034 --> 00:38:43,368 It was a condition of their rejoining the union 750 00:38:43,437 --> 00:38:46,639 After the civil war that they adopt the 14th amendment. 751 00:38:46,706 --> 00:38:48,641 Congress insisted on it. 752 00:38:48,708 --> 00:38:52,377 Not one of these states put a single word 753 00:38:52,446 --> 00:38:53,679 About school segregation 754 00:38:53,747 --> 00:38:55,581 In their new state constitution. 755 00:38:55,649 --> 00:38:58,651 Now, we believe that this proved that they understood 756 00:38:58,718 --> 00:39:01,019 The jim-crow schools were outlawed 757 00:39:01,087 --> 00:39:02,187 By the 14th amendment. 758 00:39:02,255 --> 00:39:03,188 They had to toe the mark 759 00:39:03,256 --> 00:39:04,523 In order to get back into the union. 760 00:39:04,591 --> 00:39:05,558 Exactly. 761 00:39:05,625 --> 00:39:07,125 But some of those states turned around 762 00:39:07,193 --> 00:39:08,761 And put in segregated schools 763 00:39:08,829 --> 00:39:10,362 A year after 764 00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:11,730 The 14th amendment was ratified. 765 00:39:11,798 --> 00:39:15,434 And they've been operating segregated schools ever since. 766 00:39:15,502 --> 00:39:16,936 Professor kelly, I'm not sure 767 00:39:17,003 --> 00:39:18,771 Your argument holds water. 768 00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:21,239 It sure doesn't. 769 00:39:25,311 --> 00:39:27,379 Back to the books, boys. 770 00:39:27,447 --> 00:39:29,047 I'm sure if we give them a little more time, 771 00:39:29,115 --> 00:39:30,483 Mr. Kelly and mr. Ming 772 00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:32,751 Will come up with something more solid. 773 00:39:40,426 --> 00:39:42,962 Professor black, is it necessary 774 00:39:43,029 --> 00:39:44,797 For you to be negative so much of the time? 775 00:39:44,865 --> 00:39:47,065 I'm not negative. I state facts. 776 00:39:50,370 --> 00:39:52,304 I've been intending to ask you-- 777 00:39:52,372 --> 00:39:53,405 Out of all the legal 778 00:39:53,473 --> 00:39:55,841 And academic opportunities before you, 779 00:39:55,909 --> 00:39:58,711 Just why did you end up here at the legal defense fund? 780 00:40:02,148 --> 00:40:04,750 Well, I'll tell you. 781 00:40:04,818 --> 00:40:07,686 I come from deep, deep in texas, 782 00:40:07,754 --> 00:40:09,221 So deep I can't even remember 783 00:40:09,288 --> 00:40:10,589 Hearing the word "republican" 784 00:40:10,657 --> 00:40:13,458 Before I was 18 years old. 785 00:40:13,527 --> 00:40:14,527 But I had heard 786 00:40:14,594 --> 00:40:16,562 Of this really terrible organization 787 00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:20,332 Way up north called the naacp. 788 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,168 It was an awful place with a great, big office 789 00:40:23,236 --> 00:40:25,905 All the way up there in new york, they said, 790 00:40:25,972 --> 00:40:27,573 And the worst thing of all about it 791 00:40:27,641 --> 00:40:28,974 Was that right there in that office, 792 00:40:29,042 --> 00:40:30,809 There was this room, 793 00:40:30,877 --> 00:40:32,344 A special, secret room 794 00:40:32,412 --> 00:40:34,980 With, uh, no windows and no doors 795 00:40:35,048 --> 00:40:37,716 And walls about a foot thick, 796 00:40:37,784 --> 00:40:39,018 And the only way that you could get in 797 00:40:39,085 --> 00:40:42,220 Was with a combination of this huge lock. 798 00:40:42,288 --> 00:40:43,789 And inside that room, they said, 799 00:40:43,857 --> 00:40:46,559 There was nothing but hooks on the walls, 800 00:40:46,626 --> 00:40:49,795 Hundreds and hundreds of hooks. 801 00:40:49,863 --> 00:40:51,463 And do you know what was hanging 802 00:40:51,531 --> 00:40:53,699 On each and every one of those hooks? 803 00:40:53,767 --> 00:40:55,701 What? 804 00:40:55,769 --> 00:40:58,236 Well, they said 805 00:40:58,304 --> 00:41:00,973 That on each of those hooks... 806 00:41:01,041 --> 00:41:02,875 Was a key to the bedroom 807 00:41:02,943 --> 00:41:04,877 Of a southern white woman. 808 00:41:06,512 --> 00:41:09,281 So I figured... 809 00:41:09,348 --> 00:41:10,549 That is an organization 810 00:41:10,617 --> 00:41:12,618 I want to get involved in. 811 00:41:29,903 --> 00:41:31,770 Radio: The family spokesman said the cause of death 812 00:41:31,838 --> 00:41:33,038 Was a massive heart attack 813 00:41:33,106 --> 00:41:35,841 Suffered at approximately 3:15 this morning 814 00:41:35,909 --> 00:41:38,077 At his apartment in washington. 815 00:41:38,144 --> 00:41:41,714 The chief justice was 63 years old. 816 00:41:41,781 --> 00:41:42,815 Turning to baseball, 817 00:41:42,882 --> 00:41:44,817 The dodgers topped the phillies 3-2 818 00:41:44,884 --> 00:41:45,951 In 10 innings. 819 00:41:46,019 --> 00:41:48,153 The giants shut out... 820 00:42:02,301 --> 00:42:03,235 Afternoon, sir. 821 00:42:03,302 --> 00:42:05,904 Mark. 822 00:42:05,972 --> 00:42:07,539 Was it a nice service? 823 00:42:07,607 --> 00:42:08,741 Yes. 824 00:42:08,808 --> 00:42:10,375 Was the president there? 825 00:42:10,443 --> 00:42:12,011 [chuckles] oh, yes. 826 00:42:13,647 --> 00:42:16,581 Mark, this is the first solid 827 00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:18,183 Piece of evidence I've ever had 828 00:42:18,251 --> 00:42:21,887 That there is a god in heaven. 829 00:42:21,955 --> 00:42:23,255 I can't help but think 830 00:42:23,323 --> 00:42:25,391 That vinson's successor will be better for us. 831 00:42:25,458 --> 00:42:26,658 The devil you know is better 832 00:42:26,726 --> 00:42:28,360 Than the devil you don't know. 833 00:42:28,428 --> 00:42:30,462 I watched general eisenhower testify in congress 834 00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:31,897 Against desegregating the army 835 00:42:31,964 --> 00:42:33,499 Below the platoon level. 836 00:42:33,566 --> 00:42:34,866 I don't think president eisenhower 837 00:42:34,934 --> 00:42:35,867 Is gonna be looking for 838 00:42:35,935 --> 00:42:37,136 A civil rights chief justice. 839 00:42:37,203 --> 00:42:39,171 I still say the odds are we get someone 840 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,140 Less wedded to the past than vinson. 841 00:42:41,207 --> 00:42:43,808 Times says eisenhower may promote justice jackson 842 00:42:43,876 --> 00:42:45,177 To the center seat 843 00:42:45,245 --> 00:42:46,878 And name an associate in his place. 844 00:42:47,047 --> 00:42:47,963 The republicans in the senate 845 00:42:48,031 --> 00:42:49,364 Will fry ike if he tries 846 00:42:49,433 --> 00:42:51,199 To put a democrat in the top spot. 847 00:42:51,267 --> 00:42:52,234 [all laugh] 848 00:42:52,302 --> 00:42:53,569 Anyway, whoever it's going to be, 849 00:42:53,637 --> 00:42:54,804 We got a ton of work to do. 850 00:42:54,871 --> 00:42:57,039 It's nearly midnight, so let's get to it. 851 00:42:57,106 --> 00:42:59,842 My spies tell me foster dulles can have it... 852 00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:01,410 If he wants it. 853 00:43:01,478 --> 00:43:05,380 Second choice--new york's own, governor tom dewey. 854 00:43:05,449 --> 00:43:08,884 Were I you, john, I should fire my spies. 855 00:43:08,952 --> 00:43:10,886 I have it on good authority-- 856 00:43:10,954 --> 00:43:14,990 And by good authority I mean 15 feet from the oval office-- 857 00:43:15,058 --> 00:43:18,260 That ike made a deal at the republican convention. 858 00:43:18,328 --> 00:43:20,629 In return for delivering california, 859 00:43:20,697 --> 00:43:23,298 The first vacancy on the supreme court 860 00:43:23,366 --> 00:43:25,668 Goes to california's governor. 861 00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:36,479 [baseball game on radio] 862 00:43:36,546 --> 00:43:38,514 I'm afraid you were right. 863 00:43:38,582 --> 00:43:40,048 For once, greenberg? 864 00:43:40,116 --> 00:43:42,284 The new chief justice is the same man 865 00:43:42,352 --> 00:43:44,520 Who uprooted 80,000 japanese-americans 866 00:43:44,588 --> 00:43:46,722 During the war, confiscated their property, 867 00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:50,025 And sent them to internment camps. 868 00:43:50,093 --> 00:43:52,661 What was it a great man once said? 869 00:43:52,729 --> 00:43:54,763 "the devil you know..." 870 00:43:54,831 --> 00:43:56,098 Right. 871 00:43:56,165 --> 00:43:58,133 Boys, we've got to do 872 00:43:58,201 --> 00:43:59,735 What we've got to do. 873 00:43:59,803 --> 00:44:00,769 We've got to find 874 00:44:00,837 --> 00:44:01,770 Something in the history 875 00:44:01,838 --> 00:44:03,839 That says we are right. 876 00:44:03,907 --> 00:44:05,273 Get kelly, ming, and the others 877 00:44:05,341 --> 00:44:06,341 On 18-hour shifts. 878 00:44:06,409 --> 00:44:07,342 We are not going to be 879 00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:08,377 Sitting around worrying 880 00:44:08,444 --> 00:44:09,945 About who's sitting on the bench. 881 00:44:10,013 --> 00:44:10,946 Get back to it. 882 00:44:15,468 --> 00:44:16,568 So far, 883 00:44:16,636 --> 00:44:18,270 Nothing appears to pose a problem 884 00:44:18,338 --> 00:44:20,589 For our position. 885 00:44:20,657 --> 00:44:23,659 Mr. Davis, if I may ask, 886 00:44:23,727 --> 00:44:25,027 How does governor warren going on the court 887 00:44:25,094 --> 00:44:27,062 Affect things? 888 00:44:27,130 --> 00:44:29,648 The post describes him as the colorless manager 889 00:44:29,715 --> 00:44:31,283 Of a team of all-stars. 890 00:44:31,351 --> 00:44:33,152 [all laugh] 891 00:44:33,219 --> 00:44:36,088 Davis: I would think very little, mr. Straight. 892 00:44:36,289 --> 00:44:38,123 Separate but equal has been upheld 893 00:44:38,191 --> 00:44:40,492 By the court 7 times, 894 00:44:40,660 --> 00:44:42,928 And the fact there is a division within the court 895 00:44:42,995 --> 00:44:45,364 Should work to our advantage. 896 00:44:45,432 --> 00:44:47,315 There will be a great reluctance 897 00:44:47,383 --> 00:44:50,051 To overturn such an historic precedent 898 00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:51,687 On a close vote. 899 00:44:51,754 --> 00:44:54,773 Those men do not wish to create chaos. 900 00:44:56,276 --> 00:44:58,577 Comes down to the fact that the man is a politician, 901 00:44:58,644 --> 00:45:00,012 Not a jurist. 902 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,248 He's never before sat on the bench-- 903 00:45:02,315 --> 00:45:05,484 Not even 5 minutes on a police court. 904 00:45:05,551 --> 00:45:07,386 No judicial philosophy. 905 00:45:23,853 --> 00:45:26,054 I'll get you settled in, mr. Chief justice. 906 00:45:26,122 --> 00:45:28,089 I'm going to need all the help I can get, 907 00:45:28,158 --> 00:45:30,058 I assure you. 908 00:45:30,126 --> 00:45:31,126 And your name? 909 00:45:31,194 --> 00:45:32,127 Patterson, sir. 910 00:45:32,195 --> 00:45:33,762 How do you do, mr. Patterson? 911 00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:36,165 Sir. 912 00:45:36,232 --> 00:45:37,166 In california, 913 00:45:37,233 --> 00:45:41,836 I had 8,000 people working for me. 914 00:45:41,904 --> 00:45:43,104 This will be different. 915 00:46:13,937 --> 00:46:16,104 We have studied the history. 916 00:46:16,172 --> 00:46:17,906 The declaration of independence 917 00:46:17,974 --> 00:46:19,474 Had glowing language proclaiming 918 00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:21,777 That all men are created equal, 919 00:46:21,844 --> 00:46:23,411 With the inalienable right 920 00:46:23,479 --> 00:46:24,646 To life, liberty, 921 00:46:24,714 --> 00:46:26,848 And the pursuit of happiness, 922 00:46:26,916 --> 00:46:29,585 But the authors of the constitution 923 00:46:29,652 --> 00:46:31,119 Included no such statement, 924 00:46:31,187 --> 00:46:32,788 A concession to the fact 925 00:46:32,855 --> 00:46:34,690 That our young republic 926 00:46:34,757 --> 00:46:37,525 Tolerated human slavery. 927 00:46:37,594 --> 00:46:39,461 At the end of the civil war, 928 00:46:39,528 --> 00:46:41,463 Congress passed the 13th amendment, 929 00:46:41,530 --> 00:46:42,798 Abolishing slavery, 930 00:46:42,865 --> 00:46:46,101 But it gave slaves no specific rights. 931 00:46:46,168 --> 00:46:48,837 The civil rights act of 1866 followed, 932 00:46:48,905 --> 00:46:51,256 And it was the cornerstone 933 00:46:51,324 --> 00:46:53,392 To the 14th amendment. 934 00:46:56,329 --> 00:47:00,065 We have probed the records, 935 00:47:00,133 --> 00:47:03,502 And frankly... 936 00:47:03,569 --> 00:47:05,704 We do not like what we find. 937 00:47:07,607 --> 00:47:09,241 The civil rights act was written 938 00:47:09,309 --> 00:47:11,643 With a no-discrimination clause, 939 00:47:11,711 --> 00:47:14,713 But congress removed it before it was passed. 940 00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:17,782 And nowhere in the debates on the 14th amendment 941 00:47:17,850 --> 00:47:20,852 Do we find any statement that suggests 942 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,055 That school segregation was an issue. 943 00:47:23,123 --> 00:47:25,624 We had hoped that abolitionist leaders 944 00:47:25,691 --> 00:47:28,193 Like john bingham and thaddeus stevens 945 00:47:28,261 --> 00:47:30,462 Would have recorded their position 946 00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:32,064 On segregation in schools. Nothing. 947 00:47:32,132 --> 00:47:34,099 That bears out our studies. 948 00:47:34,167 --> 00:47:35,234 See, public education 949 00:47:35,301 --> 00:47:37,169 Was in its early stages. 950 00:47:37,237 --> 00:47:38,703 To newly freed slaves, 951 00:47:38,771 --> 00:47:39,804 Education of any sort 952 00:47:39,872 --> 00:47:40,839 Would have seemed 953 00:47:40,907 --> 00:47:42,341 A major step forward. 954 00:47:42,409 --> 00:47:44,410 We also have to face the fact 955 00:47:44,477 --> 00:47:47,913 That congress set up segregated schools 956 00:47:47,980 --> 00:47:50,582 In the district of columbia 957 00:47:50,650 --> 00:47:51,850 And has supported that practice 958 00:47:51,918 --> 00:47:54,019 Up to this very day. 959 00:47:54,087 --> 00:47:55,754 All in all, it gives us very little 960 00:47:55,821 --> 00:47:58,123 In the way of favorable evidence 961 00:47:58,191 --> 00:48:00,025 To answer the justices' question 962 00:48:00,093 --> 00:48:02,528 About the intent of the 14th amendment. 963 00:48:02,595 --> 00:48:04,129 Al, isn't there some way 964 00:48:04,197 --> 00:48:05,464 We could shape this history 965 00:48:05,532 --> 00:48:07,599 To make our case? 966 00:48:07,667 --> 00:48:10,602 I'm all for the cause, bob, 967 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:14,239 But I am an historian first. 968 00:48:14,307 --> 00:48:16,641 But there's got to be some way to nail it down. 969 00:48:16,709 --> 00:48:18,143 It's difficult to be precise 970 00:48:18,211 --> 00:48:21,913 About what people thought a century ago. 971 00:48:21,981 --> 00:48:24,015 So I think our strategy should be 972 00:48:24,084 --> 00:48:26,418 To bypass the court's question 973 00:48:26,486 --> 00:48:29,221 And argue this on broad humanitarian grounds. 974 00:48:29,289 --> 00:48:32,224 The fuel for the 14th amendment 975 00:48:32,292 --> 00:48:35,927 Was a spirit of idealism and a sense of justice. 976 00:48:35,995 --> 00:48:37,563 The amendment meant what it said-- 977 00:48:37,630 --> 00:48:40,099 Equal protection. 978 00:48:40,166 --> 00:48:41,500 We believe we can win this 979 00:48:41,568 --> 00:48:44,303 By arguing the broad humanitarian approach. 980 00:48:44,370 --> 00:48:48,107 It is the moral position, and we are a moral nation. 981 00:48:52,545 --> 00:48:56,781 Ok, let's write it up that way. 982 00:49:11,631 --> 00:49:12,631 What gives? 983 00:49:16,169 --> 00:49:17,636 It'll never work. 984 00:49:19,038 --> 00:49:21,573 The broad humanitarian approach. 985 00:49:21,641 --> 00:49:25,144 Frankfurter will smell it in a second. 986 00:49:25,211 --> 00:49:27,012 He'll see it as evasive. 987 00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:29,515 It's too general, isn't it? 988 00:49:29,582 --> 00:49:31,816 It's a long shot. 989 00:49:34,053 --> 00:49:35,187 Where's kelly? 990 00:49:35,255 --> 00:49:37,156 He's going back to detroit, morning train. 991 00:49:37,223 --> 00:49:38,957 Call him at the hotel. Try and catch him. 992 00:49:55,341 --> 00:49:57,142 Just pay the ones that have to be paid. 993 00:49:57,210 --> 00:49:58,610 That's what these are. 994 00:50:00,613 --> 00:50:01,580 Can't we just 995 00:50:01,648 --> 00:50:02,847 Hold on to them a week or so? 996 00:50:02,915 --> 00:50:05,350 They'll turn the lights off again. 997 00:50:05,418 --> 00:50:06,818 We should talk to thurgood. This is-- 998 00:50:06,886 --> 00:50:08,420 Thurgood is waiting for these. 999 00:50:15,461 --> 00:50:16,961 Marion? 1000 00:50:17,029 --> 00:50:18,564 Marion, where are you going? 1001 00:50:18,631 --> 00:50:21,233 It's 6:00, Saturday. I have a date, 1002 00:50:21,301 --> 00:50:23,335 And no paycheck for 3 weeks. 1003 00:50:23,403 --> 00:50:24,670 Good night. 1004 00:50:29,409 --> 00:50:30,475 Don't you know 1005 00:50:30,543 --> 00:50:32,911 What you're doing in there? 1006 00:50:32,978 --> 00:50:33,945 Don't you? 1007 00:50:34,013 --> 00:50:37,616 I'm typing the same stuff over and over. 1008 00:50:37,684 --> 00:50:38,917 If that stuff 1009 00:50:38,984 --> 00:50:41,453 Doesn't get typed... 1010 00:50:43,656 --> 00:50:44,823 What you're doing in there 1011 00:50:44,890 --> 00:50:47,659 Is helping to make history. 1012 00:50:49,395 --> 00:50:50,362 Good night. 1013 00:51:01,641 --> 00:51:02,941 Thurgood, excuse me. 1014 00:51:03,008 --> 00:51:05,310 I think the time has come for us to deal with this. 1015 00:51:05,378 --> 00:51:06,811 Alice, would you run downstairs 1016 00:51:06,879 --> 00:51:09,781 And grab us some sandwiches, please? 1017 00:51:09,849 --> 00:51:13,585 The beginning of this needs to be tighter and clearer. 1018 00:51:17,123 --> 00:51:18,189 What are you doing, alice? 1019 00:51:18,258 --> 00:51:19,691 Making history. 1020 00:51:28,368 --> 00:51:29,834 This is it! 1021 00:51:36,842 --> 00:51:37,709 Ha! 1022 00:51:46,135 --> 00:51:48,202 We got it. 1023 00:51:49,972 --> 00:51:50,906 Thaddeus stevens. 1024 00:51:50,973 --> 00:51:51,940 Read it. 1025 00:51:52,008 --> 00:51:54,208 Thaddeus stevens in the debate 1026 00:51:54,276 --> 00:51:55,610 On the floor of congress 1027 00:51:55,678 --> 00:51:57,378 When the amendment was first presented. 1028 00:51:57,446 --> 00:51:59,581 "where any state makes distinctions 1029 00:51:59,649 --> 00:52:02,517 "between different classes of individuals, 1030 00:52:02,585 --> 00:52:04,686 "congress shall have the power 1031 00:52:04,754 --> 00:52:06,320 "to correct such discriminations 1032 00:52:06,388 --> 00:52:07,589 "and inequality. 1033 00:52:07,657 --> 00:52:09,658 "no distinction would be tolerated 1034 00:52:09,725 --> 00:52:12,460 "in this purified republic 1035 00:52:12,528 --> 00:52:16,364 But what rose from merit and conduct." 1036 00:52:23,172 --> 00:52:24,205 Place this 1037 00:52:24,273 --> 00:52:26,675 In the front section of the brief. 1038 00:52:29,178 --> 00:52:31,245 And send someone out for ice and bourbon. 1039 00:52:31,313 --> 00:52:34,583 Mr. Kelly needs a drink! 1040 00:52:55,204 --> 00:52:56,805 "these infant appellants 1041 00:52:56,872 --> 00:52:59,307 "are asserting the most important claims 1042 00:52:59,374 --> 00:53:02,777 "that can be put forward by children, 1043 00:53:02,845 --> 00:53:04,746 "the claim to their full measure 1044 00:53:04,814 --> 00:53:07,482 "of the chance to learn and grow 1045 00:53:07,549 --> 00:53:09,484 "and the inseparably connected 1046 00:53:09,551 --> 00:53:11,720 "but even more important claim 1047 00:53:11,787 --> 00:53:14,122 "to be treated as entire citizens 1048 00:53:14,189 --> 00:53:19,494 Of the society into which they have been born." 1049 00:53:23,532 --> 00:53:25,366 You understand. 1050 00:53:26,736 --> 00:53:29,638 Professor, you are a negro. 1051 00:54:15,601 --> 00:54:20,305 Honey, this is too tough a trip for you. 1052 00:54:20,372 --> 00:54:22,841 I'll be back in a couple of days. 1053 00:54:22,909 --> 00:54:25,043 You'd be better off here. 1054 00:54:25,111 --> 00:54:28,379 I will be in that courtroom 1055 00:54:28,447 --> 00:54:30,481 On Tuesday morning. 1056 00:54:32,952 --> 00:54:33,985 New hat? 1057 00:54:35,121 --> 00:54:36,354 It's pretty. 1058 00:54:36,422 --> 00:54:38,623 It is the hat I wore last year 1059 00:54:38,691 --> 00:54:41,626 At the first supreme court argument. 1060 00:54:43,629 --> 00:54:45,396 I hope it's... 1061 00:54:45,464 --> 00:54:47,299 A luckier hat this year. 1062 00:54:49,735 --> 00:54:52,386 Davis" in clarendon school district number one 1063 00:54:52,454 --> 00:54:53,855 In south carolina, 1064 00:54:53,923 --> 00:54:57,892 There are 2,799 registered negro children 1065 00:54:58,227 --> 00:54:59,578 Of school age. 1066 00:54:59,645 --> 00:55:02,481 There are 295 white children. 1067 00:55:02,548 --> 00:55:08,753 The state has now provided those 2,800 negro children 1068 00:55:08,821 --> 00:55:10,589 With schools that are, 1069 00:55:10,656 --> 00:55:14,593 As mr. Marshall has so positively admitted, 1070 00:55:14,660 --> 00:55:17,295 Equal in every respect. 1071 00:55:17,363 --> 00:55:20,098 In fact, because of their being newer, 1072 00:55:20,165 --> 00:55:21,933 They may even be better 1073 00:55:22,001 --> 00:55:24,836 Than the schools of the 295 white children. 1074 00:55:24,904 --> 00:55:28,439 Now, who's going to disturb that situation? 1075 00:55:28,508 --> 00:55:30,441 If these children were to be reassorted 1076 00:55:30,510 --> 00:55:32,176 On a mathematical basis, 1077 00:55:32,244 --> 00:55:35,480 You would have 27 negro children 1078 00:55:35,548 --> 00:55:36,748 And 3 white children 1079 00:55:36,816 --> 00:55:38,650 In each schoolroom. 1080 00:55:40,252 --> 00:55:43,421 Would that make the children any happier? 1081 00:55:43,489 --> 00:55:45,289 Would they learn more quickly? 1082 00:55:45,357 --> 00:55:47,659 Your honors cannot sit 1083 00:55:47,727 --> 00:55:49,961 As a glorified board of education 1084 00:55:50,029 --> 00:55:51,412 For the state of south carolina 1085 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,980 Or any other state. 1086 00:55:53,048 --> 00:55:54,749 Nor, I respectfully submit, 1087 00:55:54,816 --> 00:55:55,883 Can this court sit 1088 00:55:55,951 --> 00:55:57,552 In the chairs of the legislature 1089 00:55:57,620 --> 00:55:59,120 Of south carolina 1090 00:55:59,188 --> 00:56:03,158 And mold its educational system. 1091 00:56:03,225 --> 00:56:05,460 The state establishes the schools, 1092 00:56:05,528 --> 00:56:07,128 It pays the funds, 1093 00:56:07,196 --> 00:56:11,866 And it has the sole power to educate its citizens. 1094 00:56:11,933 --> 00:56:14,101 The state of south carolina 1095 00:56:14,170 --> 00:56:17,405 Does not come here in sackcloth and ashes. 1096 00:56:17,473 --> 00:56:18,640 Its laws do not offend 1097 00:56:18,707 --> 00:56:21,075 The constitution of the United States. 1098 00:56:21,143 --> 00:56:23,511 It is convinced that the happiness 1099 00:56:23,579 --> 00:56:25,713 And the progress and the welfare 1100 00:56:25,781 --> 00:56:27,114 Of these children 1101 00:56:27,183 --> 00:56:30,017 Is best promoted in segregated schools, 1102 00:56:30,085 --> 00:56:32,953 And it would be a thousand pities 1103 00:56:33,021 --> 00:56:35,356 That, by this controversy, 1104 00:56:35,424 --> 00:56:36,957 It might be ordered to abandon 1105 00:56:37,025 --> 00:56:38,826 What it has created. 1106 00:56:38,894 --> 00:56:41,229 I am reminded of aesop's fable 1107 00:56:41,297 --> 00:56:43,364 Of the dog and the meat. 1108 00:56:43,699 --> 00:56:46,284 The dog, with a fine piece of meat in his mouth, 1109 00:56:46,352 --> 00:56:47,652 Crossed a bridge. 1110 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,187 He saw the shadow in the stream, 1111 00:56:49,255 --> 00:56:51,056 And he plunged for it. 1112 00:56:51,123 --> 00:56:56,094 And he lost both the shadow and the substance. 1113 00:56:56,162 --> 00:56:58,363 Now, here is equal education, 1114 00:56:58,431 --> 00:57:00,832 Not prophesied, but present. 1115 00:57:00,899 --> 00:57:02,300 Shall it be thrown away 1116 00:57:02,368 --> 00:57:08,273 On some--some fancied question of racial prestige? 1117 00:57:08,341 --> 00:57:09,407 It is not my part 1118 00:57:09,475 --> 00:57:11,876 To offer advice to the appellants 1119 00:57:11,944 --> 00:57:15,313 And certainly not to the learned counselor. 1120 00:57:15,381 --> 00:57:18,549 No doubt they think what they propose is best. 1121 00:57:18,617 --> 00:57:20,118 But I entreat them to remember 1122 00:57:20,186 --> 00:57:21,819 The age-old motto 1123 00:57:21,887 --> 00:57:26,924 That the best is often the enemy of the good. 1124 00:57:35,534 --> 00:57:36,468 Mr. Marshall, 1125 00:57:36,535 --> 00:57:39,237 You have 5 minutes for rebuttal. 1126 00:57:53,552 --> 00:57:55,753 May it please the court... 1127 00:57:57,856 --> 00:58:02,960 The 14th amendment was put into our constitution 1128 00:58:03,029 --> 00:58:07,399 After one of the worst wars ever fought. 1129 00:58:11,237 --> 00:58:15,173 The duty of enforcing the 14th amendment 1130 00:58:15,241 --> 00:58:17,175 Is placed upon this court 1131 00:58:17,243 --> 00:58:20,512 To make sure that the states, 1132 00:58:20,579 --> 00:58:23,681 In administering their functions, 1133 00:58:23,749 --> 00:58:28,219 Disregard little pet feelings 1134 00:58:28,287 --> 00:58:30,321 About race. 1135 00:58:31,757 --> 00:58:36,977 The negroes who are forced to submit to segregation 1136 00:58:37,045 --> 00:58:40,682 Are all american citizens 1137 00:58:40,749 --> 00:58:44,051 Who, by accident of birth, 1138 00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,554 Are a different color. 1139 00:58:46,622 --> 00:58:51,042 And the color makes no difference 1140 00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:52,543 One way or another 1141 00:58:52,611 --> 00:58:58,083 Insofar as this court is concerned. 1142 00:59:01,087 --> 00:59:07,558 Harry briggs, jr. Is guaranteed by the state 1143 00:59:07,626 --> 00:59:11,129 Some 12 years of education. 1144 00:59:11,197 --> 00:59:17,869 There is no way you can repay lost school years, 1145 00:59:17,937 --> 00:59:19,137 But... 1146 00:59:20,973 --> 00:59:25,110 They say leave it to the states 1147 00:59:25,177 --> 00:59:27,578 Until they work it out. 1148 00:59:27,646 --> 00:59:31,583 I got the feeling on hearing the discussion earlier 1149 00:59:31,650 --> 00:59:34,252 That when you put a white child in a school 1150 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,222 With a whole lot of colored children, 1151 00:59:37,289 --> 00:59:40,291 The child would fall apart. 1152 00:59:41,594 --> 00:59:43,794 Everyone knows 1153 00:59:43,862 --> 00:59:47,398 That is not true. 1154 00:59:51,303 --> 00:59:53,971 Those same kids 1155 00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:57,175 In virginia and south carolina-- 1156 00:59:57,243 --> 01:00:03,948 And I... Have seen them do it-- 1157 01:00:04,016 --> 01:00:09,454 They play in the streets together. 1158 01:00:12,024 --> 01:00:15,393 They separate to go to school. 1159 01:00:17,796 --> 01:00:22,900 They come out of school and play ball together. 1160 01:00:26,038 --> 01:00:31,476 But they have to be separated in school. 1161 01:00:33,345 --> 01:00:37,549 There must be some magic to it. 1162 01:00:38,884 --> 01:00:40,951 You can have them going 1163 01:00:41,019 --> 01:00:45,557 To the same state university and to the same college, 1164 01:00:45,624 --> 01:00:51,062 But if they go to elementary and high school together, 1165 01:00:51,129 --> 01:00:54,098 The world will fall apart. 1166 01:00:55,401 --> 01:00:58,203 The only way that this court 1167 01:00:58,270 --> 01:00:59,704 Can decide this case 1168 01:00:59,771 --> 01:01:02,507 In opposition to our position 1169 01:01:02,575 --> 01:01:05,443 Is to find some reason 1170 01:01:05,511 --> 01:01:08,145 Which gives the state the right... 1171 01:01:09,881 --> 01:01:12,850 To make a classification in regards to negroes 1172 01:01:12,918 --> 01:01:16,521 That they can make in regard to nothing else, 1173 01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:18,456 And we submit... 1174 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,597 The only way to arrive at this decision 1175 01:01:25,664 --> 01:01:28,333 Is to find that, for some reason, 1176 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:34,905 Negroes are inferior to all other human beings. 1177 01:01:37,576 --> 01:01:39,310 Nobody... 1178 01:01:40,812 --> 01:01:45,516 Will stand in this court and say that 1179 01:01:45,584 --> 01:01:51,122 Because they would have to justify it. 1180 01:01:52,791 --> 01:01:56,494 It can only be one thing... 1181 01:01:59,798 --> 01:02:01,899 An inherent determination 1182 01:02:01,967 --> 01:02:05,803 That the people who were formerly in slavery 1183 01:02:05,871 --> 01:02:12,310 Shall be kept as near that condition 1184 01:02:12,378 --> 01:02:15,179 As is possible. 1185 01:02:17,583 --> 01:02:18,716 Now... 1186 01:02:18,784 --> 01:02:20,685 Is the time. 1187 01:02:20,753 --> 01:02:24,188 We submit that this court 1188 01:02:24,256 --> 01:02:26,457 Should make it clear... 1189 01:02:28,694 --> 01:02:32,129 That that is not 1190 01:02:32,197 --> 01:02:35,400 What the constitution of the United States 1191 01:02:35,467 --> 01:02:38,102 Stands for. 1192 01:02:44,443 --> 01:02:46,944 Thank you, sir. 1193 01:02:48,814 --> 01:02:50,281 Thank you, mr. Marshall. 1194 01:03:10,185 --> 01:03:12,119 Thurgood. 1195 01:03:12,187 --> 01:03:13,621 Crab soup. 1196 01:03:13,689 --> 01:03:16,056 Oh, I know it's crab soup. 1197 01:03:25,033 --> 01:03:26,066 Hot. 1198 01:03:29,705 --> 01:03:30,571 Mmm. 1199 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,575 That's good. 1200 01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:40,414 Very good, thurgood. 1201 01:03:52,728 --> 01:03:54,345 We concede douglas and black 1202 01:03:54,413 --> 01:03:56,180 To the other side. 1203 01:03:56,248 --> 01:03:59,016 Reed and clark should vote with us. 1204 01:03:59,084 --> 01:04:00,184 Jackson and frankfurter 1205 01:04:00,252 --> 01:04:02,854 Are leaning towards our point of view-- 1206 01:04:02,921 --> 01:04:04,021 Judicial restraint. 1207 01:04:04,089 --> 01:04:07,358 That's 4, and we should pick up another vote 1208 01:04:07,426 --> 01:04:09,026 From minton or from burton 1209 01:04:09,094 --> 01:04:11,496 Or from chief justice warren. 1210 01:04:11,563 --> 01:04:15,199 How are you getting on with the new chief? 1211 01:04:15,267 --> 01:04:17,535 I've discovered that he listens, 1212 01:04:17,603 --> 01:04:19,136 Though he is untutored in the law. 1213 01:04:19,204 --> 01:04:20,538 Well, it could be argued 1214 01:04:20,606 --> 01:04:22,206 That's an ideal combination 1215 01:04:22,274 --> 01:04:23,541 For a chief justice-- 1216 01:04:23,609 --> 01:04:25,510 Open-minded and flexible. 1217 01:04:25,577 --> 01:04:28,479 Well, I hope y'all get down to it. 1218 01:04:28,547 --> 01:04:31,982 It's not that tough a call, as I see it. 1219 01:04:32,050 --> 01:04:35,219 For those who do not have to decide, it is easy. 1220 01:04:35,287 --> 01:04:37,221 The humanitarian thing to do 1221 01:04:37,289 --> 01:04:39,223 Is to strike down segregation, 1222 01:04:39,291 --> 01:04:40,725 But nothing presented to us-- 1223 01:04:40,793 --> 01:04:42,894 Neither history nor legal precedent-- 1224 01:04:42,961 --> 01:04:43,994 Offers any help. 1225 01:04:44,062 --> 01:04:46,997 I think jackson wants to toss it to congress. 1226 01:04:47,065 --> 01:04:49,567 The authority for enforcing the 14th amendment-- 1227 01:04:49,635 --> 01:04:51,218 Sir. Sir, if I may, 1228 01:04:51,286 --> 01:04:52,887 The negroes are the group for whom 1229 01:04:52,954 --> 01:04:55,389 The 14th amendment was written. 1230 01:04:55,456 --> 01:04:56,857 It's for their protection. 1231 01:04:56,925 --> 01:04:58,726 And since 1868, everybody else 1232 01:04:58,794 --> 01:05:00,728 Has come to this court invoking the protection 1233 01:05:00,796 --> 01:05:02,029 Of the 14th amendment. 1234 01:05:02,097 --> 01:05:04,398 Corporations and chinese and aliens 1235 01:05:04,465 --> 01:05:06,734 And everybody else come in and claim 1236 01:05:06,802 --> 01:05:08,069 They've been denied equal protection 1237 01:05:08,136 --> 01:05:09,570 Of the laws. 1238 01:05:09,637 --> 01:05:11,672 They come to the supreme court 1239 01:05:11,740 --> 01:05:13,874 Of the United States, and you listen to them. 1240 01:05:13,942 --> 01:05:15,409 And if you find that their rights 1241 01:05:15,476 --> 01:05:17,745 Have been violated, then you take care of them. 1242 01:05:17,813 --> 01:05:19,747 But when the one group for whose protection 1243 01:05:19,815 --> 01:05:21,916 The 14th amendment was written-- 1244 01:05:21,983 --> 01:05:23,784 The negroes--come in and ask you for relief, 1245 01:05:23,852 --> 01:05:26,286 Jackson wants you to say yes, 1246 01:05:26,354 --> 01:05:27,421 Your constitutional rights 1247 01:05:27,488 --> 01:05:29,757 Have been violated, but don't come to us. 1248 01:05:29,825 --> 01:05:31,092 You go across the street, 1249 01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:33,094 You ask congress to give you relief. 1250 01:05:33,161 --> 01:05:36,463 We're not gonna give you a damn thing. 1251 01:05:40,568 --> 01:05:41,702 Mark... 1252 01:05:43,338 --> 01:05:47,708 At harvard I would have given you an "a" for that. 1253 01:05:54,515 --> 01:05:55,582 Tempus fugit. 1254 01:05:55,650 --> 01:05:59,053 I'm exactly where I was one year ago. 1255 01:05:59,121 --> 01:06:01,756 I'm prepared to vote to desegregate, 1256 01:06:01,823 --> 01:06:04,792 And if my vote should be in the minority, 1257 01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:09,296 I shall write as strong a dissent as I know how. 1258 01:06:09,364 --> 01:06:11,298 After reading over 1,500 pages, 1259 01:06:11,366 --> 01:06:14,235 I have yet to discover a basis 1260 01:06:14,302 --> 01:06:16,971 In the constitution or the 14th amendment 1261 01:06:17,038 --> 01:06:19,473 That allows us to order the states 1262 01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:21,142 To do with their schools 1263 01:06:21,209 --> 01:06:23,110 That which they do not wish to do. 1264 01:06:23,178 --> 01:06:25,312 I was very taken by something 1265 01:06:25,380 --> 01:06:27,148 Mr. Thurgood marshall said. 1266 01:06:27,215 --> 01:06:29,884 "the only way the court can decide this case 1267 01:06:29,951 --> 01:06:31,986 "in opposition to our position 1268 01:06:32,053 --> 01:06:34,121 "is to find that, for some reason, 1269 01:06:34,189 --> 01:06:35,489 "negroes are inferior 1270 01:06:35,556 --> 01:06:37,124 To all other human beings." 1271 01:06:37,192 --> 01:06:39,326 Hugo, I base my view on the law, 1272 01:06:39,394 --> 01:06:41,295 And nothing in the law 1273 01:06:41,362 --> 01:06:43,831 Tells us that we can tell south carolina 1274 01:06:43,899 --> 01:06:46,667 To abolish separate schools. 1275 01:06:46,734 --> 01:06:49,003 This country has been making great strides 1276 01:06:49,070 --> 01:06:50,504 In race relations. 1277 01:06:50,571 --> 01:06:54,374 A careless decision here could halt that progress. 1278 01:06:54,442 --> 01:06:57,044 How do you see that happening, stanley? 1279 01:06:57,112 --> 01:06:58,478 If the american people 1280 01:06:58,546 --> 01:07:01,182 Feel that a bunch of liberals in washington 1281 01:07:01,249 --> 01:07:02,850 Are forcing their social views 1282 01:07:02,918 --> 01:07:04,018 On the states, 1283 01:07:04,085 --> 01:07:05,820 There will be... 1284 01:07:05,887 --> 01:07:07,788 Profound resentment. 1285 01:07:07,856 --> 01:07:10,791 I've seen the race problem more closely 1286 01:07:10,859 --> 01:07:12,293 Than most of you. 1287 01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:13,961 I'm concerned about the possibility 1288 01:07:14,029 --> 01:07:17,364 Of violence, massive resistance. 1289 01:07:17,432 --> 01:07:19,366 What if we say desegregate 1290 01:07:19,434 --> 01:07:20,868 And they refuse? 1291 01:07:20,936 --> 01:07:23,370 Can we send the army into south carolina 1292 01:07:23,438 --> 01:07:24,471 To enforce it? 1293 01:07:24,539 --> 01:07:26,673 Send the army into 20 states? 1294 01:07:26,741 --> 01:07:28,742 I'm surprised that the history provides 1295 01:07:28,810 --> 01:07:31,745 So little in the way of legal footing 1296 01:07:31,813 --> 01:07:33,981 For striking down segregation. 1297 01:07:34,049 --> 01:07:37,184 I find I'm arguing with myself. 1298 01:07:37,252 --> 01:07:40,254 My heart tells me segregation is wrong. 1299 01:07:40,322 --> 01:07:44,325 The law tells me not to interfere with the states. 1300 01:07:44,392 --> 01:07:47,394 I do not like the idea of segregation, 1301 01:07:47,462 --> 01:07:48,896 But for 100 years, the south 1302 01:07:48,964 --> 01:07:51,565 Has had segregated school systems, 1303 01:07:51,632 --> 01:07:54,902 And this court has told them it was legal. 1304 01:07:54,970 --> 01:07:57,137 We can't just turn on a dime and say 1305 01:07:57,205 --> 01:07:59,073 Tomorrow morning, things will be different. 1306 01:07:59,140 --> 01:08:01,075 Nor can we continue to say 1307 01:08:01,142 --> 01:08:03,643 That in the united states of america, 1308 01:08:03,711 --> 01:08:04,745 All men are equal, 1309 01:08:04,812 --> 01:08:07,248 But that white men are more equal than others. 1310 01:08:07,315 --> 01:08:10,017 For god's sake, let's decide the principle. 1311 01:08:10,085 --> 01:08:12,219 We can remain flexible on how to implement it. 1312 01:08:12,287 --> 01:08:13,720 Disaster. 1313 01:08:13,788 --> 01:08:17,557 This court is expected to be precise and clear. 1314 01:08:17,625 --> 01:08:20,694 Felix, you say you're arguing with yourself. 1315 01:08:20,762 --> 01:08:22,696 Perhaps you'd prepare a memorandum 1316 01:08:22,764 --> 01:08:25,699 Outlining the issues and offering some suggestions 1317 01:08:25,767 --> 01:08:28,702 As to where our choices lie. 1318 01:08:30,272 --> 01:08:31,438 Thank you, gentlemen. 1319 01:08:41,049 --> 01:08:43,450 Our great civil libertarian 1320 01:08:43,518 --> 01:08:45,119 Is going to get us in the soup. 1321 01:08:45,186 --> 01:08:46,486 Douglas is so abrasive, 1322 01:08:46,554 --> 01:08:48,488 He makes conciliation and compromise 1323 01:08:48,556 --> 01:08:49,990 Even more difficult. 1324 01:08:50,058 --> 01:08:51,992 He obviously feels very deeply. 1325 01:08:52,060 --> 01:08:53,961 Douglas is a great humanitarian 1326 01:08:54,029 --> 01:08:54,995 In the abstract. 1327 01:08:55,063 --> 01:08:57,197 He just can't stand people. 1328 01:09:04,005 --> 01:09:05,372 [knock on door] 1329 01:09:09,811 --> 01:09:11,144 Almost ready. 1330 01:09:11,212 --> 01:09:12,813 Sir, these will be better 1331 01:09:12,881 --> 01:09:15,148 Than your city shoes. 1332 01:09:15,216 --> 01:09:17,551 Well... 1333 01:09:17,619 --> 01:09:19,920 Thank you, mr. Patterson. 1334 01:09:23,391 --> 01:09:25,325 You know the roads, mr. Patterson. 1335 01:09:25,393 --> 01:09:26,627 Oh, yes, sir. 1336 01:09:27,095 --> 01:09:29,379 I've been out this way many times before. 1337 01:09:29,447 --> 01:09:33,150 The war between the states is one of my hobbies. 1338 01:09:33,218 --> 01:09:35,152 Manassas, bull run... 1339 01:09:35,220 --> 01:09:38,655 Just a short drive from the city. 1340 01:09:38,724 --> 01:09:40,791 You ever been to gettysburg before, sir? 1341 01:09:40,859 --> 01:09:43,160 No, no. 1342 01:09:43,228 --> 01:09:47,164 For me, one of the pleasures of living in the east 1343 01:09:47,232 --> 01:09:49,433 Will be to see some of these things. 1344 01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,155 Little round top. Meade had the high ground. 1345 01:09:55,223 --> 01:09:57,157 He had the artillery, too. 1346 01:09:57,225 --> 01:09:59,660 That was the whole story. 1347 01:09:59,728 --> 01:10:02,562 In the winter of 1944 in Italy, 1348 01:10:02,631 --> 01:10:04,915 We were pinned down in the sergio valley 1349 01:10:04,983 --> 01:10:06,851 For 2 weeks. 1350 01:10:06,918 --> 01:10:08,853 The gerrys had the hilltop. 1351 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,756 They were pouring their .88s down in on us. 1352 01:10:11,823 --> 01:10:13,523 Bloodied us real bad. 1353 01:10:13,591 --> 01:10:16,026 Taught me a whole lot 1354 01:10:16,094 --> 01:10:19,463 About the value of high ground. 1355 01:10:37,665 --> 01:10:40,067 So simple... 1356 01:10:40,135 --> 01:10:41,568 Yet so strong. 1357 01:10:44,823 --> 01:10:47,925 "it is rather for us to be here dedicated 1358 01:10:47,993 --> 01:10:51,929 "to the great task remaining before us-- 1359 01:10:51,997 --> 01:10:53,931 "that from these honored dead 1360 01:10:53,999 --> 01:10:55,966 "we take increased devotion 1361 01:10:56,034 --> 01:10:58,769 "for that cause for which they gave 1362 01:10:58,837 --> 01:11:01,605 "the last full measure of devotion-- 1363 01:11:01,673 --> 01:11:04,574 "that we here highly resolve 1364 01:11:04,642 --> 01:11:08,745 "that these dead shall not have died in vain-- 1365 01:11:08,814 --> 01:11:10,747 "that this nation, under god, 1366 01:11:10,816 --> 01:11:13,750 "shall have a new birth of freedom-- 1367 01:11:13,819 --> 01:11:16,253 "and that government of the people, 1368 01:11:16,321 --> 01:11:18,755 "by the people, for the people 1369 01:11:18,824 --> 01:11:20,324 "shall not perish 1370 01:11:20,391 --> 01:11:21,859 From the earth." 1371 01:11:25,497 --> 01:11:26,964 Patterson: On to manassas, sir? 1372 01:11:51,223 --> 01:11:53,073 [rooster crows] 1373 01:11:54,209 --> 01:11:56,243 [rooster crows] 1374 01:12:12,393 --> 01:12:13,827 Good morning, sir. 1375 01:12:13,894 --> 01:12:14,828 Mr. Patterson, 1376 01:12:14,895 --> 01:12:16,263 Why are you sleeping in there? 1377 01:12:16,331 --> 01:12:19,099 Sir, I couldn't find a place... 1378 01:12:21,068 --> 01:12:25,038 Sir, there's no place within 20 miles of here 1379 01:12:25,106 --> 01:12:26,240 Where I'd... 1380 01:12:34,749 --> 01:12:37,117 Let's get back to washington. 1381 01:12:53,768 --> 01:12:56,554 "to be treated as entire citizens 1382 01:12:56,621 --> 01:12:57,721 "of the society 1383 01:12:57,789 --> 01:12:59,890 Into which they've been born." 1384 01:13:05,096 --> 01:13:06,597 [knock on door] 1385 01:13:06,665 --> 01:13:07,765 Come in, mark. 1386 01:13:07,832 --> 01:13:10,801 It's earl warren. 1387 01:13:13,137 --> 01:13:14,337 Earl. 1388 01:13:17,976 --> 01:13:18,909 Felix. 1389 01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:26,584 Felix, this court must vote 1390 01:13:26,651 --> 01:13:28,185 To desegregate. 1391 01:13:28,252 --> 01:13:31,688 I believe that this is a moral issue, 1392 01:13:31,756 --> 01:13:34,091 One that goes deep into the soul 1393 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:35,692 Of our nation. 1394 01:13:37,329 --> 01:13:39,430 The more I ponder this, 1395 01:13:39,497 --> 01:13:41,265 The more I believe 1396 01:13:41,333 --> 01:13:42,933 The separate but equal idea 1397 01:13:43,001 --> 01:13:44,935 Is based on the concept 1398 01:13:45,003 --> 01:13:47,104 That the colored race is inferior 1399 01:13:47,172 --> 01:13:49,840 And that those who sustain it 1400 01:13:49,907 --> 01:13:51,608 Must be willing to acknowledge that. 1401 01:13:51,676 --> 01:13:53,377 Now... 1402 01:13:55,180 --> 01:13:56,447 I believe my vote 1403 01:13:56,514 --> 01:13:59,116 Will make a majority of 5. 1404 01:13:59,184 --> 01:14:00,951 I will assign the writing 1405 01:14:01,019 --> 01:14:03,120 Of the opinion to myself. 1406 01:14:03,188 --> 01:14:05,622 I hope to write it in a way 1407 01:14:05,690 --> 01:14:07,458 That will bring others with me. 1408 01:14:07,525 --> 01:14:10,794 What do I have to do to have you with me? 1409 01:14:14,532 --> 01:14:15,799 You're a man 1410 01:14:15,867 --> 01:14:18,635 From the hurly-burly of public life, earl. 1411 01:14:18,703 --> 01:14:20,471 I'm a man from the private world 1412 01:14:20,538 --> 01:14:21,805 Of the jurist. 1413 01:14:21,873 --> 01:14:24,808 We both know what is right here, 1414 01:14:24,876 --> 01:14:28,645 But to you it seems... Less complicated. 1415 01:14:28,713 --> 01:14:30,714 Neither history nor legal precedent 1416 01:14:30,781 --> 01:14:32,316 Gives us reason, 1417 01:14:32,384 --> 01:14:34,818 But there are times when the court 1418 01:14:34,886 --> 01:14:37,654 Must be free to interpret the constitution 1419 01:14:37,722 --> 01:14:40,657 Based on the changes in men's feeling 1420 01:14:40,725 --> 01:14:43,160 For what is right and just. 1421 01:14:43,228 --> 01:14:46,263 The humanitarian goal will have to do. 1422 01:14:46,331 --> 01:14:49,766 But if you force a sharply divided decision, 1423 01:14:49,834 --> 01:14:52,436 You will have accomplished no good. 1424 01:14:52,504 --> 01:14:54,804 You must work to unite the court. 1425 01:14:54,872 --> 01:14:56,173 How, felix? 1426 01:14:56,241 --> 01:14:57,941 Jackson. 1427 01:14:58,009 --> 01:15:00,511 You must persuade him to vote with us 1428 01:15:00,578 --> 01:15:02,846 And not to write a separate opinion. 1429 01:15:02,914 --> 01:15:05,849 You must talk to him, convince him, 1430 01:15:05,917 --> 01:15:08,185 And then, if you're successful, 1431 01:15:08,253 --> 01:15:10,020 Clark, he should follow. 1432 01:15:10,088 --> 01:15:13,057 Stanley reed will be the most difficult. 1433 01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:16,393 Can reed be turned? 1434 01:15:16,461 --> 01:15:19,896 Only by you. But jackson first. 1435 01:15:26,587 --> 01:15:28,788 If you write an opinion, 1436 01:15:28,856 --> 01:15:31,358 I will study it with an open mind. 1437 01:15:31,426 --> 01:15:32,859 That's all I ask. 1438 01:15:32,927 --> 01:15:35,528 But an open mind cannot change 1439 01:15:35,596 --> 01:15:37,197 My belief that this matter 1440 01:15:37,265 --> 01:15:39,899 Rightfully belongs to the congress. 1441 01:15:42,803 --> 01:15:46,539 Earl, you are looking for a... 1442 01:15:46,607 --> 01:15:48,541 Congenial political solution 1443 01:15:48,609 --> 01:15:49,709 To the problem. 1444 01:15:49,777 --> 01:15:51,711 I'm looking for a way to do what I think 1445 01:15:51,779 --> 01:15:55,782 We both believe is the right thing to do. 1446 01:15:57,418 --> 01:16:00,553 The only possible way, in my view, 1447 01:16:00,621 --> 01:16:03,857 To write a decision to end segregation 1448 01:16:03,924 --> 01:16:05,859 With intellectual honesty 1449 01:16:05,926 --> 01:16:07,727 Is to argue 1450 01:16:07,795 --> 01:16:09,562 That the majestic generalities 1451 01:16:09,630 --> 01:16:10,864 Of the constitution 1452 01:16:10,931 --> 01:16:14,368 Have a content and a significance 1453 01:16:14,435 --> 01:16:18,872 That vary from age to age. 1454 01:16:18,939 --> 01:16:19,806 Yes? 1455 01:16:21,442 --> 01:16:24,844 I don't like it, but you can try it. 1456 01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:29,983 [train whistle blows] 1457 01:16:38,292 --> 01:16:39,760 I like this. 1458 01:16:42,129 --> 01:16:43,563 I've got control. 1459 01:16:43,631 --> 01:16:45,064 With the courts, 1460 01:16:45,132 --> 01:16:48,535 All I can do is wait. 1461 01:16:54,475 --> 01:16:55,609 Buster... 1462 01:16:55,676 --> 01:16:58,111 The time I got the job as a waiter 1463 01:16:58,178 --> 01:16:59,979 With the baltimore & ohio... 1464 01:17:00,047 --> 01:17:03,049 Your daddy got you that job. 1465 01:17:04,485 --> 01:17:06,553 They handed me a uniform... 1466 01:17:08,489 --> 01:17:10,557 White coat, 1467 01:17:10,625 --> 01:17:13,059 Black pants that fit real nice, 1468 01:17:13,127 --> 01:17:16,062 Except they stopped just above the ankles 1469 01:17:16,130 --> 01:17:17,564 6 inches too short. 1470 01:17:17,632 --> 01:17:21,301 I went to the man in charge, and I said, 1471 01:17:21,368 --> 01:17:24,571 "sir, I need to have another pair of pants. 1472 01:17:24,639 --> 01:17:26,239 These are too short." 1473 01:17:29,009 --> 01:17:30,944 The man looked me over, 1474 01:17:31,011 --> 01:17:33,379 And you know what he said? 1475 01:17:35,015 --> 01:17:38,452 He said, "don't you know it's easier for me 1476 01:17:38,519 --> 01:17:40,454 "to get a shorter negro 1477 01:17:40,521 --> 01:17:44,758 Than it is to get another uniform?" 1478 01:17:49,029 --> 01:17:51,832 It makes me angry. 1479 01:17:51,899 --> 01:17:54,601 That was a long time ago. 1480 01:17:56,036 --> 01:17:59,172 Mm-mmm. I mean about being sick. 1481 01:18:02,076 --> 01:18:04,644 Changes are coming-- 1482 01:18:04,712 --> 01:18:08,815 Changes we never dared dream about... 1483 01:18:08,883 --> 01:18:11,451 And I may not see them. 1484 01:18:24,198 --> 01:18:28,969 I want to see the things we've worked for... 1485 01:18:29,036 --> 01:18:32,506 All the changes that will come. 1486 01:18:34,809 --> 01:18:36,877 You'll see changes. 1487 01:18:36,944 --> 01:18:41,014 You will see a different world. 1488 01:18:43,484 --> 01:18:44,985 And you know something? 1489 01:18:46,621 --> 01:18:49,155 You'll know we made a difference. 1490 01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:18,385 Douglas. 1491 01:19:20,188 --> 01:19:21,221 Black. 1492 01:19:23,191 --> 01:19:24,057 Minton. 1493 01:19:26,694 --> 01:19:27,561 Burton. 1494 01:19:30,698 --> 01:19:31,665 Warren. 1495 01:19:34,368 --> 01:19:35,402 Frankfurter. 1496 01:19:38,872 --> 01:19:39,806 Jackson, 1497 01:19:39,873 --> 01:19:41,974 Clark... 1498 01:19:42,042 --> 01:19:43,076 And reed. 1499 01:19:57,558 --> 01:19:59,992 Miss mchugh, mr. Patterson-- 1500 01:20:00,060 --> 01:20:01,428 Work to do. 1501 01:20:08,736 --> 01:20:12,505 Now, if you would... Type this, please? 1502 01:20:12,573 --> 01:20:13,506 Yes, sir. 1503 01:20:13,574 --> 01:20:15,141 I will review it. 1504 01:20:15,209 --> 01:20:16,309 Then, mr. Patterson, 1505 01:20:16,377 --> 01:20:19,346 If you would take it to the print shop 1506 01:20:19,413 --> 01:20:21,248 And order 9 copies, 1507 01:20:21,315 --> 01:20:23,015 Only 9. 1508 01:20:24,218 --> 01:20:25,084 Yes, sir. 1509 01:20:34,845 --> 01:20:37,213 May I guess why you're here? 1510 01:20:43,988 --> 01:20:47,791 I will vote to desegregate 1511 01:20:47,859 --> 01:20:50,694 If...If the opinion 1512 01:20:50,762 --> 01:20:52,863 Gives the southern states time. 1513 01:20:52,930 --> 01:20:54,364 We're not dealing just with law. 1514 01:20:54,432 --> 01:20:57,467 We are dealing with a social revolution. 1515 01:20:57,535 --> 01:20:58,668 It needs time. 1516 01:20:58,736 --> 01:21:00,036 You read that, tom. 1517 01:21:00,104 --> 01:21:02,205 It may need some refinement. 1518 01:21:02,273 --> 01:21:04,641 I'd like to accommodate your view. 1519 01:21:46,834 --> 01:21:48,718 Stanley, I've written this opinion 1520 01:21:48,786 --> 01:21:52,388 In a way which I hope will unite the court. 1521 01:21:52,457 --> 01:21:55,759 There's a word that's been on my mind of late-- 1522 01:21:55,827 --> 01:21:58,394 Krytocracy. 1523 01:21:58,463 --> 01:22:03,867 K-r-y-t-o-c-r-a-c-y. 1524 01:22:03,935 --> 01:22:07,370 I checked it last night in the oxford dictionary. 1525 01:22:07,438 --> 01:22:10,440 It says "government by judges." 1526 01:22:10,508 --> 01:22:13,209 I do not want to see this court 1527 01:22:13,277 --> 01:22:15,645 Travel outside its authority. 1528 01:22:15,713 --> 01:22:19,883 It isn't a question of what I would like to see, 1529 01:22:19,951 --> 01:22:23,353 But what the constitution will permit me to see. 1530 01:22:24,789 --> 01:22:26,089 And, earl... 1531 01:22:26,156 --> 01:22:28,391 Understand this-- 1532 01:22:28,459 --> 01:22:29,893 I do not believe 1533 01:22:29,961 --> 01:22:32,996 That negroes are an inferior race. 1534 01:22:34,465 --> 01:22:36,399 Sir, it's mr. Justice jackson. 1535 01:22:36,467 --> 01:22:37,567 Yes? 1536 01:22:37,635 --> 01:22:40,303 Sir, they just took him to walter reed. 1537 01:22:40,371 --> 01:22:41,838 A heart attack, sir. 1538 01:23:04,879 --> 01:23:08,648 P.A.: Major mccarthy, please come to station 23. 1539 01:23:08,715 --> 01:23:11,151 Mr. Justice jackson? 1540 01:23:11,218 --> 01:23:13,253 I'm earl warren. 1541 01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:14,754 Nurse: Sir, he's resting. 1542 01:23:14,822 --> 01:23:16,823 Mr. Prittyman is handling his calls. 1543 01:23:16,891 --> 01:23:18,157 Oh, hello, barrett. 1544 01:23:18,225 --> 01:23:19,492 Hello, mr. Chief justice. 1545 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:20,993 They say he'll make it. 1546 01:23:21,061 --> 01:23:22,995 I talked to him this morning. 1547 01:23:23,063 --> 01:23:24,330 I think he'll be ok. 1548 01:23:24,398 --> 01:23:26,332 Good, good. 1549 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,034 Barrett, uh... 1550 01:23:29,169 --> 01:23:32,605 As soon as you think he's up to it, 1551 01:23:32,673 --> 01:23:35,107 Ask him to read this. 1552 01:23:35,175 --> 01:23:36,275 It's important. 1553 01:23:36,343 --> 01:23:37,944 I know, sir. 1554 01:24:05,122 --> 01:24:08,391 A little bout with one's mortality 1555 01:24:08,459 --> 01:24:12,128 Has a way of focusing the mind. 1556 01:24:14,882 --> 01:24:17,817 Since the end of the civil war, 1557 01:24:17,885 --> 01:24:20,653 The United States 1558 01:24:20,721 --> 01:24:25,491 Has been hesitating between 2 worlds-- 1559 01:24:25,559 --> 01:24:26,759 One dead, 1560 01:24:26,827 --> 01:24:30,629 The other powerless to be born. 1561 01:24:34,235 --> 01:24:36,502 What you have written 1562 01:24:36,570 --> 01:24:39,172 Is quite remarkable. 1563 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:43,843 In very...Plain and understandable words, 1564 01:24:43,911 --> 01:24:46,746 It tells the nation what must be done 1565 01:24:46,813 --> 01:24:48,781 And why. 1566 01:24:50,751 --> 01:24:52,485 I'm with you, earl. 1567 01:25:14,958 --> 01:25:17,827 You're all by yourself now, stanley. 1568 01:25:23,634 --> 01:25:25,067 The fact remains-- 1569 01:25:25,135 --> 01:25:27,804 This court has been given no evidence 1570 01:25:27,871 --> 01:25:30,139 That the nation knew a century ago 1571 01:25:30,207 --> 01:25:32,074 That it was outlawing-- 1572 01:25:32,142 --> 01:25:35,077 Stanley, we have 8 votes to desegregate. 1573 01:25:39,317 --> 01:25:42,185 Each of us is concerned about history. 1574 01:25:43,821 --> 01:25:47,256 Each of us is reluctant to overrule precedents. 1575 01:25:49,527 --> 01:25:51,328 But we are convinced 1576 01:25:51,395 --> 01:25:53,996 That the law in this day and age 1577 01:25:54,064 --> 01:25:57,334 Cannot set negro schoolchildren apart, 1578 01:25:57,401 --> 01:26:00,437 Not in the United States of america. 1579 01:26:02,673 --> 01:26:05,608 This country has been making consistent progress 1580 01:26:05,676 --> 01:26:07,109 In race relations. 1581 01:26:09,012 --> 01:26:13,783 This decision could impede that progress... 1582 01:26:13,851 --> 01:26:15,585 Halt the March. 1583 01:26:17,521 --> 01:26:19,956 A piece of paper cannot eradicate 1584 01:26:20,023 --> 01:26:21,758 The fears and prides 1585 01:26:21,826 --> 01:26:24,126 And prejudices of the people. 1586 01:26:26,196 --> 01:26:28,531 Earl...If this court 1587 01:26:28,599 --> 01:26:31,300 Tries to force the southern states 1588 01:26:31,369 --> 01:26:33,302 To change overnight, 1589 01:26:33,371 --> 01:26:35,638 There will be resistance, 1590 01:26:35,706 --> 01:26:39,308 Litigation, disobedience, 1591 01:26:39,377 --> 01:26:42,144 And years of conflict. 1592 01:26:44,214 --> 01:26:45,615 Believe me. 1593 01:26:47,217 --> 01:26:49,318 Stanley, I'm a politician. 1594 01:26:49,387 --> 01:26:50,987 I've worked for the people 1595 01:26:51,054 --> 01:26:53,055 For over 30 years now. 1596 01:26:53,123 --> 01:26:55,324 I've seen them in police stations, 1597 01:26:55,393 --> 01:26:58,261 Hospitals, unemployment lines. 1598 01:26:59,630 --> 01:27:01,498 I'm convinced that the people 1599 01:27:01,565 --> 01:27:03,332 Will accept a ruling 1600 01:27:03,401 --> 01:27:06,736 That fortifies their inner conscience. 1601 01:27:06,804 --> 01:27:09,773 Let the backbone come from the court, 1602 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,074 And it'll strengthen the moral backbone 1603 01:27:12,142 --> 01:27:16,345 Of the people who live in conflict. 1604 01:27:16,414 --> 01:27:17,914 Stanley, a fully united court 1605 01:27:17,981 --> 01:27:20,116 Will send a signal to this nation. 1606 01:27:23,754 --> 01:27:26,689 I pray that you'll see your way clear 1607 01:27:26,757 --> 01:27:28,190 To join the majority. 1608 01:28:08,966 --> 01:28:11,067 [telephone rings] 1609 01:28:13,137 --> 01:28:14,170 Hello. 1610 01:28:18,142 --> 01:28:20,576 I'll be on the midnight train. 1611 01:28:22,146 --> 01:28:24,080 [horn blows] 1612 01:28:32,206 --> 01:28:36,041 P.A.: Get ready for passengers on track 22. 1613 01:28:37,911 --> 01:28:42,582 Silver mid-year service from miami beach, florida... 1614 01:28:50,674 --> 01:28:52,108 Find another cab, boy. 1615 01:28:52,176 --> 01:28:54,344 We're going to the supreme court. 1616 01:28:54,411 --> 01:28:55,611 Come on, bob. Come on. 1617 01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:57,680 I think you'll want to be in court 1618 01:28:57,748 --> 01:28:59,282 This morning, boys. 1619 01:29:10,694 --> 01:29:12,461 9 copies, sir... 1620 01:29:12,529 --> 01:29:13,963 For the brethren. 1621 01:29:37,237 --> 01:29:38,304 Welcome back. 1622 01:29:43,210 --> 01:29:44,143 Welcome back. 1623 01:29:44,211 --> 01:29:46,579 It's good to have you back. 1624 01:29:47,881 --> 01:29:48,814 Bailiff: All rise. 1625 01:29:48,882 --> 01:29:50,316 The honorable the chief justice 1626 01:29:50,384 --> 01:29:51,817 And the associate justices 1627 01:29:51,885 --> 01:29:54,053 Of the supreme court of the United States. 1628 01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:55,688 Oyez, oyez, oyez. 1629 01:29:55,755 --> 01:29:57,056 All persons having business 1630 01:29:57,123 --> 01:29:58,724 Before the honorable the supreme court 1631 01:29:58,792 --> 01:29:59,892 Of the United States 1632 01:29:59,959 --> 01:30:01,894 Are invited to draw near and give their attention, 1633 01:30:01,961 --> 01:30:03,496 For the court is now sitting. 1634 01:30:03,697 --> 01:30:05,682 Warren: These cases come to us 1635 01:30:05,749 --> 01:30:07,850 From the states of kansas, 1636 01:30:07,918 --> 01:30:09,351 South carolina, 1637 01:30:09,419 --> 01:30:10,352 Virginia, 1638 01:30:10,420 --> 01:30:11,688 And delaware. 1639 01:30:11,755 --> 01:30:14,757 They are premised on different facts 1640 01:30:14,825 --> 01:30:17,359 And different local conditions, 1641 01:30:17,427 --> 01:30:19,696 But a common legal question 1642 01:30:19,763 --> 01:30:22,932 Justifies their consideration together. 1643 01:30:25,435 --> 01:30:27,403 In approaching this question, 1644 01:30:27,605 --> 01:30:32,375 We cannot turn the clock back to 1868, 1645 01:30:32,443 --> 01:30:35,711 When the 14th amendment was adopted, 1646 01:30:35,779 --> 01:30:38,547 Or even to 1896, 1647 01:30:38,615 --> 01:30:41,884 When plessy vs. Ferguson was written. 1648 01:30:43,454 --> 01:30:45,788 We must consider public education 1649 01:30:45,856 --> 01:30:48,891 In the light of its present place 1650 01:30:48,959 --> 01:30:51,560 In american life. 1651 01:30:51,628 --> 01:30:54,563 Only in this way can it be determined 1652 01:30:54,999 --> 01:30:58,067 If segregation in public schools 1653 01:30:58,135 --> 01:31:01,070 Deprives these young plaintiffs 1654 01:31:01,138 --> 01:31:04,774 Of the equal protection of the laws. 1655 01:31:04,842 --> 01:31:06,909 In these days, 1656 01:31:06,977 --> 01:31:09,411 It is doubtful that any child 1657 01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:13,582 May reasonably be expected to succeed in life 1658 01:31:13,651 --> 01:31:16,085 If he is denied the opportunity 1659 01:31:16,153 --> 01:31:17,854 Of an education. 1660 01:31:17,921 --> 01:31:19,656 Such an opportunity, 1661 01:31:19,723 --> 01:31:22,925 Where the state has undertaken to provide it, 1662 01:31:22,993 --> 01:31:25,795 Is a right which must be made available 1663 01:31:25,863 --> 01:31:29,598 To all on equal terms. 1664 01:31:29,667 --> 01:31:33,302 We come, then, to the question presented-- 1665 01:31:33,370 --> 01:31:37,273 Does segregation of children in public schools 1666 01:31:37,340 --> 01:31:40,442 Solely on the basis of race, 1667 01:31:40,510 --> 01:31:42,444 Even though the physical facilities 1668 01:31:42,512 --> 01:31:44,113 May be equal, 1669 01:31:44,181 --> 01:31:47,950 Deprive the children of the minority group 1670 01:31:48,018 --> 01:31:52,454 Of equal education opportunities? 1671 01:31:52,522 --> 01:31:54,423 We believe... 1672 01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,227 Unanimously 1673 01:31:58,295 --> 01:31:59,628 That it does. 1674 01:32:01,198 --> 01:32:03,499 We conclude 1675 01:32:03,567 --> 01:32:06,535 That in the field of public education, 1676 01:32:06,603 --> 01:32:10,139 The doctrine of separate but equal 1677 01:32:10,207 --> 01:32:11,974 Has no place. 1678 01:32:12,042 --> 01:32:15,311 Separate educational facilities 1679 01:32:15,379 --> 01:32:18,013 Are inherently unequal. 1680 01:32:18,082 --> 01:32:20,983 Therefore, we hold that the plaintiffs 1681 01:32:21,051 --> 01:32:23,652 And others similarly situated 1682 01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,655 For whom the actions have been brought 1683 01:32:26,723 --> 01:32:30,993 Are, by reason of the segregation complained of, 1684 01:32:31,061 --> 01:32:35,164 Deprived of the equal protection of the laws 1685 01:32:35,232 --> 01:32:38,667 Guaranteed by the 14th amendment. 1686 01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:41,504 It is so ordered. 1687 01:32:41,572 --> 01:32:42,738 [pounds gavel] 1688 01:33:14,954 --> 01:33:16,855 [all talking at once] 1689 01:33:24,264 --> 01:33:25,631 Please, mr. Marshall-- 1690 01:33:33,507 --> 01:33:35,207 Buster, it's me. 1691 01:33:38,178 --> 01:33:39,711 We did it. 1692 01:33:40,947 --> 01:33:42,148 Unanimous. 1693 01:33:44,284 --> 01:33:45,317 Buster... 1694 01:33:46,953 --> 01:33:48,587 I love you. 1695 01:33:48,655 --> 01:33:51,723 Radio: A bulletin from washington. 1696 01:33:51,791 --> 01:33:53,225 At 1:10 p.M., 1697 01:33:53,293 --> 01:33:55,227 The United States supreme court 1698 01:33:55,295 --> 01:33:56,728 Chief justice earl warren 1699 01:33:56,796 --> 01:33:58,230 Announced the unanimous decision 1700 01:33:58,298 --> 01:34:01,233 To outlaw segregation of negroes in public schools. 1701 01:34:01,301 --> 01:34:04,403 The court said separating negro children 1702 01:34:04,471 --> 01:34:07,573 Violates rights guaranteed to american citizens 1703 01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:09,175 By the 14th amendment. 1704 01:34:41,408 --> 01:34:42,508 Father? 1705 01:34:42,576 --> 01:34:43,775 Morning, julia. 1706 01:34:50,851 --> 01:34:53,285 The decision... 1707 01:34:53,353 --> 01:34:55,788 For the plaintiffs. 1708 01:34:55,856 --> 01:34:57,723 It was unanimous. 1709 01:35:00,861 --> 01:35:03,295 In the words of the general-- 1710 01:35:03,363 --> 01:35:04,964 "we have met the enemy, 1711 01:35:05,031 --> 01:35:06,465 And we are theirs." 1712 01:35:06,533 --> 01:35:09,201 I'm sorry, father. 1713 01:35:09,268 --> 01:35:11,203 Someday I'm going to learn to accept 1714 01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:13,539 Good advice when it's offered. 1715 01:35:18,578 --> 01:35:21,146 There's troubled times ahead. 1716 01:35:22,682 --> 01:35:24,717 Looking at it philosophically, 1717 01:35:24,784 --> 01:35:25,918 Unanimous decision 1718 01:35:25,986 --> 01:35:28,487 Is the best thing for the country. 1719 01:35:30,289 --> 01:35:33,458 Great! Yeah! 1720 01:35:34,694 --> 01:35:36,395 Congratulations. 1721 01:36:34,304 --> 01:36:37,122 Captioning made possible by artisan entertainment 1722 01:36:37,190 --> 01:36:40,058 Captioned by the national captioning institute --www.Ncicap.Org-- 112659

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