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the owner of the tokens.
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Utility tokens, on the other hand,
refers to tokens that operate as
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specific currencies.
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Imagine that, for instance, you do not
utilize standard currency on social
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media, but a token that has been
developed particularly for these
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subsequently you can exchange this token
for certain features on the platform.
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The process of tokenization begins with
the collection of information about the
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assets. This can be, for example, a
detailed description of a property.
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or a list of works of art in a
collection with all their individual
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characteristics this information is then
converted
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into a digital form and stored
subsequently a token is generated that
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the ownership rights to the described
tangible asset the token is also stored
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blockchain and contains a unique digital
fingerprint of the asset thanks to
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individual information
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There is a considerable opposition
because it represents a new technology
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paradigm shift in the approach.
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Previously, when moving a security from
A to B, physical transfer was necessary,
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hence the creation of securities.
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Now, however, there is only a register,
this sufficient to modify access rights
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to a token and transfer it.
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In essence, the security is now linked
to the assets and no longer a freely
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transferable security.
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This change has various consequences for
the process involved.
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Our current objective is to integrate
all the available technologies, such as
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digital identities, digital currencies,
and tokenization in a manner that
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achieves genuine democratized access.
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Once a token has been created and stored
on a blockchain, it can be managed
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through smart contracts.
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Smart contracts can be used to transfer
rent payments to an investor on a pro
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rata basis as soon as the rent has been
received.
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Or a smart contract automatically
initiates payments as soon as certain
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milestones are reached in a project.
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The interesting thing about token is we
could say it's a smart contract that is
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registered on a blockchain.
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But in the end, we talk about
programmable values.
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I don't want to say money here because
there might be a difference between
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and its regulation and transferable
values.
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But it will be very important, for
example, if we think about
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that we not only introduce a new digital
asset, but that it generates impact.
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So we need to add meaning.
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to a certain nominal factor.
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And this will be, I think, the most
relevant aspect of tokenization, that we
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create digital units for whatever
underlying asset, but that we can
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use, we can incentivize certain
behaviors.
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Investment in tokenized real estates
represents one of the most recent
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advancements in the property industry.
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Tokenization enables houses and
apartments to be divided and sold in
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smaller units.
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More programs act like a bridge between
the property and an online trading
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platform. Hence, tokens create a digital
representation of a property,
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facilitating its digital transfer.
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Many potential investors are either
unwilling to enter this market on a
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scale or unable to do so due to factors
such as lack of equity or difficulties
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in obtaining debt financing.
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The concept of tokenization offers a
significant advantage by enabling the
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smallest unit of investment to be
acquired at a much lower threshold.
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For instance, a flat owner could split a
property worth €100 ,000 into 1 ,000
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tokens. Each token would be valued at
€100, representing a small portion of
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flat.
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Investors would then hold the rights to
a particular percentage of rental income
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with each token.
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After deducting costs like property tax
through payers and insurance, investors
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stand to profit as the apartment
increases in value over time and rental
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grows.
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Another benefit of tokenization is the
ability to convert the individual tokens
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anytime, 24x7 via apps or trading
platforms.
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Furthermore, the need to visit a notary
and have the property or share notarized
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before purchasing is eliminated.
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Purchasers can efficiently manage their
tokens through a mobile wallet
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application. The app's features may vary
depending on its design, allowing users
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to track their incoming payments,
monitor token value fluctuations via
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displays, and sell tokens through their
smartphones.
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Real estate tokens follow similar
regulations to securities and do not
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physical ownership of the underlying
property.
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Essentially, a real estate token
functions as a loan that the provider
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for property financing.
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The loan's interest is covered by the
rental income, which poses a risk of
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The possibility of rent defaults, and in
extreme cases, the provider's
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insolvency, increases this risk as
compared to investing through a property
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fund, which is usually diversified
across many properties.
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In Germany, such a scenario isn't yet to
be realized due to the absence of a
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regulatory framework that facilitates
the scrutinization of property rights
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associated with land and real estate.
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The process of purchasing a property is
still associated with significant
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bureaucracy, lengthy procedures, and
subsequent high costs.
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Digital art projects were the first to
bring tokenization to public attention.
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With its assistance of non -fungible
tokens, digital art pieces are typically
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secured as a whole in the blockchain.
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In March 2021, American artist Beeple
sold a digital collage comprising 5 ,000
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individual images for an extraordinary
$69 .35 million at an auction.
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A single tweet by Jack Dorsey, founder
of Twitter, was purchased by a fan for
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impressive sum of 2 .9 million US
dollars.
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My name is Ever Fresh, also known as
Sebastian Pfeiffer. So that's my real
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We are not going to see anything like
we've seen in 2021.
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So that ship has sailed. My hope
actually is that the market will reach
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a more mature state where price levels
are reasonable.
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and artists can actually live off their
art sales in that digital space.
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It's never going to be everyone that's
clear, but that's not how it works.
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So it's always just going to be a few
that will be able to make a living out
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it. If you look at the clear number, the
people collecting crypto are just
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growing and growing and growing.
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My name is Sergio Roberto Schmolt.
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i'm the founder and ceo of magal magal
stands for meta art gallery there is of
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course the 2021 january bubble where you
had a crypto art nft market explosion
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with 14 000 percent if you have such a
high increase you fall down very very
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briefly so what we are doing right now
we are trying to get a new base level
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from that level we can progress together
with crypto together with bitcoin
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together with everything that is behind
it
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Art tokens may be obtained from any
location worldwide, allowing for
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international investment in the art
industry.
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Twitter is the main platform to promote
your stuff in the NFT world.
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And you can also use other social media
platforms, but Twitter is by far the one
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with the most impact.
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I reach my audience mainly through
Twitter. Of course, I promote my work on
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other social media platforms as well.
But I've not noticed any correlation
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directly to sales through other
platforms than Twitter.
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I would say the biggest trend right now
is the thing that we are doing, coming
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from the metaverse and coming into in
real life. So you can only feel...
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And that means that these are tokens
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And that means these tokens are
essentially unique.
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We can illustrate this concept by
considering a one -euro coin.
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When we hold this coin in our hand, we
do not distinguish it from any other one
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-euro coin as they have identical
purchasing power.
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Such coins are referred to as fungible.
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The same principle applies to securities
such as BMW shares.
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We do not differentiate between
individual shares as they are fungible.
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The BMW share represents identical
voting rights and values.
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Non -fungible tokens, NFTs, can be
likened to artworks such as owning a
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Picasso painting or the Mona Lisa.
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While forgeries may exist, the genuine
Mona Lisa is one -of -a -kind and non
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-fungible with no other exact copies.
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Art also employs the concept of limited
edition prints where a photo may have,
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for instance, only 100 copies, each with
a unique number.
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These numbered prints belong to a
specific series, although numerous
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be used.
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The idea is for each token to be
exclusively identified, but on the other
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fungible security tokens are identical
and can be exchanged for each other.
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it's not because you call something an
nft that it won't be under mica so they
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really are mentioning that if something
is issued in a large series uh it's an
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indicator of the fungibility so then it
doesn't necessarily mean it will be an
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nft but again what is large series we
don't know yet so we hope hope we'll
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some clarification down the road but so
those little things we can play with
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words you don't know especially that the
technology evolves so quickly most nft
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sales are actually auctions they're not
auctions in the classical sense uh where
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there's like a guy with a hammer but it
it just um you usually put your your pr
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your piece on the platform uh with a
with the reserve and once the reserve is
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met um then there's like uh you can
define that how long the auction goes
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usually it's like a 24 -hour auction
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and then the timer starts, and it runs
for 24 hours, and then it depends if
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other people put in their bids as well,
if the price goes up or not.
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Most platforms take between 5 % and 15%.
Some also take
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20%. Most take between 5 % and 15%. For
artists themselves,
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tokenizations could also be an exciting
vehicle for the sale of their works.
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Theoretically, the artists can even
offer themselves to investors as an
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investment.
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If their value increases, investors will
benefit.
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On the other hand, the artists generate
a regular additional income.
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The art market remains considerably
unclear, necessitating a thorough
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of the players, the influencing factors,
the dynamics of the market in order to
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be competitive when buying works of art.
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Our collection of works from the top 100
artists is usually unavailable
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at local galleries.
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but is sourced from the leading
international galleries without access.
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Artworks become either unobtainable or
extremely expensive due to multiple
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flows, each resulting in price
increases.
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Fractional ownership of an asset is
represented in the field of art via so
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-called art security tokens or AACs.
These are digital assets that correspond
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a part of a work of art.
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Previously,
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this market was exclusive to the super
-rich due to the exorbitant prices of
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art. Prices are often in the millions,
which few can afford. But our trade is
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changing that. We possess a meticulous
network of art experts who identify
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appealing works on your behalf.
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The entire process involves a complex
data analysis procedure.
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the relevant information as each artwork
is assigned a single digital security
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which comes in a form of a security
token.
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The value of one token corresponds to
one euro of the artwork's view value.
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In essence, this is a fully regulated
digital security as per the new
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Securities Act.
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This allows us to treat the token and
its securities similarly to other
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conventional securities, ultimately
facilitating their integration into the
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financial industry's infrastructure.
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Thanks to their assistance, Anyone can
now invest in works of art that would
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typically be excluded from an average
investor's portfolio under normal
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circumstances.
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You can invest in these works of art
indirectly with as little as 1 ,000
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by purchasing these tokens.
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This ensures that our enthusiasts with
smaller budgets can engage in
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art projects.
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Even the old masters can now be found on
the blockchain.
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Just recently, Pablo Picasso's
masterpiece, Fier Obere, was tokenized
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blockchain.
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A Zurich -based crypto bank is
responsible, which dismantled the oil
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into 4 ,000 of the art tokens and sold
them for 1 ,000 Swiss francs each.
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For this purpose, the tokens were in
turn converted into blockchain -based
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securities, which represent an
undisputed legal claim to the unique
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from 1964 in Switzerland.
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As an investor, you do not acquire a
piece of the artwork itself, but rather
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scrutinized claim to participate in its
performance.
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We made a conscious choice to avoid
fractional ownership and instead offer a
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security as it aligns with a traditional
investment product and can seamlessly
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integrate into the financial system.
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When works are traded on a secondary
market, often after a prior purchase,
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artist or artists typically do not
participate further.
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However, we aim to expand this model in
the long term by exploring the potential
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of structuring tokens in smart
contracts.
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Currently, the concept remains
uncertain.
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This would allow the artists to maintain
a permanent stake in the value
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development of their artwork to a
percentage of ownership.
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I see a very bright future. When I look
at my kids, the things they collect,
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Fortnite skins or some digital weapon
for a game, this kind of collection
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feeling is parallel to crypto art
collection.
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So people will not hang a Picasso.
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in oil painting on their wall my kids
will not do it they will collect other
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and this may be the art that they are
collecting funding
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for major art galleries museums
collections and artwork storage
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also benefit from tokenization in the
near future because they invest huge
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in protection of their artworks theft
vandalism preventing this cost money
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money that museums don't have.
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The entrance fees and funding pots are
often not enough to expand the
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collections.
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Tokenizations could help them gain this
liquidity.
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It could make the collection or a
selected part of it available to
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make a profit from an increase in the
value of the artwork.
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A stock is a security issued by a
company.
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Depending on the type of share, this can
be a claim to a portion of the profits,
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dividends, or a say.
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Companies issue shares to raise
additional funds for their businesses'
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development.
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But despite digitalization, trading in
shares remains inefficient in many
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places.
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If you want to invest in stocks, you
have to buy a whole share.
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However, the shares of large companies
often cost over $1 ,000.
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This limits the circle of those who can
afford it.
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And even if you secure a fraction of the
large companies, this automatically
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eliminates the possibility of
diversifying your portfolio by investing
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multiple stocks.
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My name is Philip Piper. I'm the founder
of Swarm.
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We are a tokenization platform that does
both primary issuance as well as
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secondary trading.
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In the past two years, there's been
obviously a very high degree of focus on
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crypto assets. So basically, you know,
Bitcoin and derivatives of Bitcoin, as
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well as sort of other native assets that
were on sort of the blockchain like
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Ethereum.
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But it's been shown obviously that
there's a very high degree of
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amongst all these assets.
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So if the market goes up, everything
goes up. If the market goes down and
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crashes down, everything goes down.
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So in that world, there is a need to
actually have something called real
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assets replicated onto chain, which
actually derive the value of what they
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from the underlying asset that is
connected with that kind of digital
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So a good example of that is basically a
stablecoin.
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tokenization makes it possible to buy
fractional shares of these large
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instead of buying an entire share you
can only buy a portion of a share and
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generate a proportionate return this
transformation is already reshaping
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investments BlackRock, the world's
largest asset manager, has taken its
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steps by launching Bitcoin and tokenized
ETFs. And today the fixed income
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markets are totally imbued by ETFs. And
so at BlackRock,
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when we bought BGI, we had $290 billion
of ETFs. Today we have $3 .5 trillion.
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And then this week alone.
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Just yesterday, we launched the iShares
Bitcoin ETF.
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And so I would say to you, if we could
ETF a Bitcoin, imagine what we could do
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with all financial instruments.
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Tokenization is used to create digital
images of securities that have already
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been issued.
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This is referred to as a token
derivative.
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These are scrutinized in the blockchain
and thus embedded in a more flexible
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infrastructure. So in principle, you get
a normal stock.
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but with the advantage of
cryptocurrency.
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The price of the tokenized pair is
always equal to the share price of the
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issuing company.
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Not everything recorded on -chain
represents full ownership.
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Some tokens are only wrappers.
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price exposure without voting or
dividend rights.
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you know, equity from a company.
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If the value of the deposited share
doubles, the value of the tokenized
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also doubles.
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The price action is analyzed in a
similar way to stocks, not like critical
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currencies.
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So stablecoin is effectively a token
that represents maybe a dollar. So one
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token equals one dollar. You should
actually have the ability to put
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that has value, anything that has some
kind of substance.
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onto the blockchain, into the trading
environment, into the ability to
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fractionalize and mobilize these assets,
there's a very large realm of different
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asset qualities that you can gain by
putting them as a digital asset onto the
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chain. So if you have one Apple stock
that is represented in one token,
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well, you can buy a cent of an Apple
stock if you want to, right?
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That you cannot do in the traditional
market.
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Tokenization significantly reduces the
barriers to entry into the new financial
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market. The vast majority of all
companies worldwide are currently
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companies. There's derivative product
that probably mimics some of that, but
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it's not the degree of flexibility.
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The second thing is that you actually
have an immediate settlement.
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So if I go on to some kind of exchange,
some kind of decentralized exchange,
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some kind of trading venue, and you and
I agree on a price,
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Actually, by executing on the
blockchain, immediately the transfer of
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ownership to you has been executed.
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Normally, in the financial market, that
takes two to three days to settle. From
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a regular player perspective, the United
States is also in a unique position
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because of the dollar.
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So the dollar is, as famously once said,
the dollar is the United States
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currency, but everyone else's problem.
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But really, I don't... fully by that
argument. I think that the dollar is
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the United States' problem now because
you have jurisdictions in other parts of
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the world that are essentially creating
regulation for digital U .S. dollars in
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the future. And none of this is coming
from the U .S. yet.
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So, you know, regulating stablecoins is
one of the lower -hanging fruit that
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they could...
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that they could tackle in terms of, you
know, reasserting the position of dollar
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hegemony. And this is not a position
that Europe has to the same degree.
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I mean, you know, the U .S. dollar still
makes up somewhere around like 60 % of
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global reserve.
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The United States political system is
also, by design, an invitation to
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struggle. It has been since the
Declaration of Independence.
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So you always have to, when you're
looking at the U .S., you always have to
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think of this.
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The tokenized shares thus build a bridge
between traditional stock exchange,
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such as Extra or the Frankfurt Stock
Exchange, and a crypto exchange, such as
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Binance. Institutional adoption now is a
recognizable name.
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Global asset managers are already
entering the tokenized economy.
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Our customers are the largest asset
managers in the world, like BlackRock
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Apollo and Hamilton Lane, KKR, etc.
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And that gives us a competitive
advantage that now that they start the
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regulatory clarity, we'll...
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probably ensure that we continue leading
the industry as we've been doing it for
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the last few years.
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Depending on a network and crypto
exchange, token transactions can be
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in a matter of minutes.
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If you have the ability to trade on a 24
-7 basis without any kind of stoppage
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of the market, it's a benefit. It
actually means real money for people.
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If you can attach governance processes
to these technical things, it is a
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benefit because you have a much more
real -time interaction with the way that
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the asset down below can actually
transact.
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But even more so if you actually then
have the confidence, which means that
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have some data that is connected with
the token that points to where it
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goes and what it represents and the live
data reporting what it actually has in
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terms of values.
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then suddenly you're not reliant on a
quarterly report, but you have a real
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-time view on it.
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As smart contracts perform, buy and sell
orders of tokens on a blockchain,
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there's no longer need to rely on a
broker or banker as an intermediary.
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So I would say that broadly those would
be some of the aspects where
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tokenization will transform the
financial industry.
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Whether or not you buy that there will
be a complete removal of intermediaries,
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it will certainly limit the role of
intermediaries or diminish the frequency
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intermediaries in certain financial
transactions.
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In the world of tokenization, in the
end, it all represents something that
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some kind of resemblance in real life.
So there's a trust element that needs to
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be created, which also means that if the
token gets lost, it really depends on
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how you set it up, you can actually sort
of then make sure that it's either, you
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know, respecting who the real owner is,
or basically gets redistributed back to
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the original owner.
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It's just an efficiency technology.
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The sale a company shares is
bureaucratic, takes a long time, and
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actors.
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We need to unite the technical
possibilities in the traditional world.
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latter insists on maintaining the status
quo as it has proven stable over the
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last few decades.
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There are stakeholders who profit from
this naturally.
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And conversely, the DEFI and crypto
community advocates for self
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in every aspect.
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However, the reality likely lies
somewhere between these extremes and we
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construct accordingly.
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Investors do not have access to these
companies.
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Investments in these companies are
mainly made by financial institutions in
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form of expensive loans or equity funds.
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The market therefore has a minimal
liquidity.
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Yes, I think it will affect more the B2B
space because for us as end users, we
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are interested in usability and of
course in trust.
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But we're not necessarily interested if
a banking or fintech app is using
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technology A or technology B, especially
if we talk about mass adoption.
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Then this should not play a role. It
should be a well -performing app.
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When investing, it is almost always for
the long term. If the company's
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management takes a different direction,
investors cannot simply get out.
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They then try to influence the
management of the company. The process
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sluggish. Just to think of it as...
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well, it's an open system and therefore
everyone has access, that's also not
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entirely true. It means that depending
how you set up the system, And that very
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much depends on what asset it
represents.
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You have restrictions that you
artificially have to build into the
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only a certain type of customer can buy
into those specific asset tokens, or
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that there's only a certain behavior
that is allowed to be executed with the
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token. So there's very much a technology
-enforced restriction. But what it
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gives you is actually a much higher
degree of confidence from a regulatory
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process as well, that because it's code,
And because it's actually enforcing
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what the code is being told to do, that
you cannot really bypass it.
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We expect tokenization and blockchain
technology to play a role to design more
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efficient and streamlined processes. So
that's step number one. Then we will
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potentially tokenize and also use
blockchain technology to finance in
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ways and to tokenize different assets.
So that's, let's say, a growth aspect.
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Depending on regulation, but also on,
let's say, strategic decisions, some
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automated neo -blockchain banks or neo
-blockchain players are on the market.
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We can expect that new use cases and a
whole new set of process designs will
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the day of light.
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This means a totally new category
targeting new use cases that are not
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right there available.
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Discussions regarding the energy
industry's future increasingly center
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energy tokenization.
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Renewable energies have grown
increasingly popular in our current era.
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Wind and solar parks continue to attract
a growing number of investors.
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My name is Echo. I am CEO of Realport.
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Decentralization of energy is already
there, and it's only going to
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I think, the past years.
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considering the Ukraine war and
considering the thrive of governments
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and of society to become more
independent has shown an incredible boom
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rooftop solar and decentralized energy.
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So as not only the companies and supply
chains grow more mature, it's going to
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be even easier for tenants of houses and
for owners of houses in order to,
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number one, put solar into the roof.
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And then it's a matter of connecting
that amongst the various decentralized
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hubs, meaning from one roof to another,
and into the grid in a smart way. And I
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do think that technology can play a
fantastic.
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The energy sector's intricate network is
hindered by outdated infrastructure and
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numerous inefficient processes.
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Utilizing blockchain can enhance the
efficiency of the energy supply.
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And efficiency means saving costs.
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Saving costs means that you can bring in
smaller projects, and smaller projects
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also means that you can bring in smaller
investors. The biggest advantage is for
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the smaller guys. It's making it more
efficient, making access more efficient,
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and also enabling smaller wind farms in
order to participate within the energy
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economy.
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Thanks to its decentralized
architecture, it can document and supply
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multiple energy producers
simultaneously.
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which is a much more complex process
with a centralized system.
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In such systems, every producer has to
first send their data to a central
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location for bundling and processing.
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In a decentralized blockchain network,
anyone can feed the data directly.
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By means of tokenization, a digital copy
of each physical energy unit can be
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stored on a blockchain.
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This automation of administrative
processes can significantly reduce the
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energy.
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You know, the way we see it, there are
two different forms.
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One form is sharing the economic
performance out of an energy project,
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00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,300
renewable energy project.
435
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:26,800
That means a generator wants to set up a
wind farm and needs investors, right?
436
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,320
And will promise essentially the
proceeds of this wind farm to be shared
437
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,219
the investors.
438
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:33,340
So now we can...
439
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,140
Blockchain technology allows for the
tracing of energy from the source to the
440
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,140
end consumer.
441
00:33:02,659 --> 00:33:05,460
Certificates can be issued if required
for proof of purchase.
442
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,740
This can be a crucial factor,
particularly considering the stringent
443
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:11,060
for renewable energy.
444
00:33:12,100 --> 00:33:16,260
Currently, it is difficult to ascertain
whether the energy derives from wind,
445
00:33:16,380 --> 00:33:17,780
solar or another source.
446
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,940
A third party is required to certify the
origin, and these certificates may be
447
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:25,480
traded. Greenwashing is facilitated.
448
00:33:29,220 --> 00:33:33,660
legislative and also regulatory aspects
around that. Number one is the EU
449
00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:38,820
taxonomy, which nowadays tells us what
is green, what is not green. So that
450
00:33:38,820 --> 00:33:43,680
gives guidance to investors and also to
the issuers of financial products.
451
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,280
And number two, there is also a self
-disclosure regulation called SFDR.
452
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,000
So every publisher, every issuer of
financial products will need to self
453
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:00,060
themselves, whether they are highly
sustainable article 9 or not sustainable
454
00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:05,840
basically article 7 and that will give
consumers tremendous guidance as to what
455
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,159
is green what is not green so it means
the leeway to kind of move around and
456
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:16,639
kind of greenwash has becoming a whole
lot smaller tokenized certificates can
457
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,600
produced by the supplier providing an
indisputable origin of the energy
458
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,340
generated these certificates are
securely stored in the blockchain
459
00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:26,860
the data cannot be altered.
460
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Governance token is a specific type of
token issued by certain companies, often
461
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,460
tech companies or so -called
decentralized autonomous organizations.
462
00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:42,679
The governance token basically have
certain rights.
463
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,960
From a technical point of view, they're
often so -called ERC -20 tokens, which
464
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,340
means that they follow the standard,
which is also used by many other type
465
00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:56,830
tokens. But the right that the owner of
this governance token has may be
466
00:34:56,830 --> 00:34:58,690
different from security tokens, for
example.
467
00:34:59,290 --> 00:35:03,390
The governance token often scrutinizes
voting rights, i .e., you own the
468
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:05,770
governance tokens and they are issued by
companies.
469
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:10,190
And if the company wants to change
something, if it wants to implement
470
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:15,150
changes, for example, then I have the
right to vote if I hold pieces of these
471
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:16,150
governance tokens.
472
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:21,390
This means that not only do I have a
monetary incentive to hold this token
473
00:35:21,390 --> 00:35:26,310
maybe hope for a future profit, but I
also have a right of co -determination
474
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:30,650
I can't get involved in communities and
my voice is heard based on the number of
475
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:31,650
tokens I hold.
476
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:40,750
Now, the big challenge here lies, how do
consumers, be it a business consumer or
477
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:43,810
even a regular retail consumer,
478
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,460
buy into certificated or into certified
renewable energy sources.
479
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,200
And that's where blockchain can provide
a huge benefit. And the vision is that
480
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,240
eventually you'll be able to match
certificates at the time of production
481
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,420
consumption at the time when you really
need it.
482
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,420
Tokenization makes wind farms or other
renewable energy sources much more
483
00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:08,540
accessible to investors.
484
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,600
Investing in a solar park via token will
be an established procedure in the near
485
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,870
future. The same applies to the purchase
of electricity from various energy
486
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:18,870
sources.
487
00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:25,810
In the field of solar energy, the first
energy suppliers have already tokenized
488
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:26,689
their systems.
489
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:31,190
In the case of wind turbines, too, there
are platforms that bring operators of
490
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:33,950
the turbines together with companies and
private individuals.
491
00:36:37,110 --> 00:36:41,090
Through tokenization, the owners of the
tokens become co -owners of a wind
492
00:36:41,090 --> 00:36:45,220
turbine. By selling the electricity,
they generate a proportionate return.
493
00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:48,260
But the operators of the plants also
benefit.
494
00:36:48,660 --> 00:36:53,220
For them, tokenization is another way to
directly collect the capital of the
495
00:36:53,220 --> 00:36:57,460
investment. This gives you a reach and
access to high liquidity.
496
00:36:59,380 --> 00:37:04,460
So far, however, energy has mainly been
managed centrally. There's still a long
497
00:37:04,460 --> 00:37:07,000
way to go before new technology becomes
established.
498
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,600
The next step is now connecting
neighborhoods.
499
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,320
the same way as larger projects of
renewable energy.
500
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,060
are now participating, entire
communities, in exchange for the
501
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:26,440
erecting a solar farm or a wind farm,
into participating into that, right?
502
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,540
the consumption of the energy which is
being produced.
503
00:37:30,020 --> 00:37:35,720
And that will also create communities
which will be able to dispatch and to
504
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:42,280
trade energy amongst themselves and
amongst multiple communities. So yes, it
505
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,920
on the way. Difficult to say really,
right? I think, you know, Germany is...
506
00:37:46,140 --> 00:37:52,380
It's probably the largest in Europe
rooftop solar market in that respect,
507
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:54,020
the most installations.
508
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,940
But you see this trend everywhere.
509
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,140
You see France has very, very strong
regulation and the UK and Italy as well.
510
00:38:03,740 --> 00:38:06,960
I think you must see it as a pan
-European move.
511
00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:13,980
The calls for sustainability, human
rights or animal welfare have been
512
00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:14,980
louder for years.
513
00:38:21,500 --> 00:38:25,800
Society is increasingly demanding
products whose origins can be
514
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,800
verified.
515
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,140
Supply chain tokenization represents a
credible future of product transparency.
516
00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:36,100
The technology will be exciting in view
of the newly passed Supply Chain Due
517
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,100
Diligence Act.
518
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,480
It is intended to prove that human
rights and environmental due diligence
519
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,420
obligations have not been violated.
520
00:38:59,180 --> 00:39:03,180
Companies will be required to document
every step of the supply chain for
521
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:04,220
authorities and consumers.
522
00:39:05,140 --> 00:39:09,240
Sustainability should thus become
comprehensible, verifiable, and visible.
523
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:14,780
Tokenization makes it possible to track
a product along the entire value chain.
524
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,580
Using a commercially available
smartphone, all relevant information
525
00:39:19,580 --> 00:39:21,940
product is collected and stored in a
token.
526
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:25,040
Any kind of information can be stored
via app.
527
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,640
Every production step and every raw
material within the supply chain can be
528
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,500
reliably retrieved at any time.
529
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,300
In this way, global supply chains can be
traced seamlessly.
530
00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:44,200
While a supply chain based on blockchain
technology can ensure complete
531
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:48,580
documentation for this reporting,
artificial intelligence can help to
532
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:49,900
corresponding risk analysis.
533
00:39:50,300 --> 00:39:55,080
For example, AI can analyze contracts
with suppliers for human rights and
534
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,080
environmental standards.
535
00:39:56,260 --> 00:40:00,460
If necessary, this enables the company
to quickly adopt a contractual
536
00:40:00,460 --> 00:40:01,620
arrangement with the supplier.
537
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,560
In agriculture, tokenization allows
farmers to tokenize their products.
538
00:40:06,780 --> 00:40:10,180
This allows international investors to
invest in regional agricultural
539
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:14,320
commodities. In the healthcare sector,
the tokenization of medical institutions
540
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,220
helps in the use of sensitive data of
patients and healthcare organizations.
541
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,520
The logistics industry is also currently
working on a concept of tokenization.
542
00:40:23,780 --> 00:40:28,520
Here, the bill of lading is to be
transferred to the blockchain and thus
543
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:29,520
problem of administration.
544
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:36,180
So that means that we can expect that if
tokenization is becoming part of, let's
545
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:40,920
say, the underlying process setup for
financial transactions, that the total
546
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,560
market size will be bigger than today's
financial asset market volume.
547
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,940
But of course, this will not happen
overnight. It will happen in different
548
00:40:49,940 --> 00:40:55,160
steps, depending on regulation, on
innovation, and on general acceptance.
549
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,160
need democratic discussions about
things. We need governments.
550
00:40:59,020 --> 00:41:02,580
So it could take anything between 5 and
20 years and it will happen in depth.
551
00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:05,420
But the addressable market price will
become bigger.
552
00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:11,840
Despite the many benefits and its
increasing prevalence, blockchain -based
553
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,040
tokenization also has its limitations.
554
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:22,120
A disadvantage that still exists with
tokens in general today is the
555
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,500
of the underlying blockchain.
556
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,120
If you wanted to put the entire security
businesses that exist worldwide on a
557
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,420
blockchain today in order to tokenize
all securities, then the blockchains
558
00:41:32,420 --> 00:41:35,820
not be able to map the transaction
volume that is processed there.
559
00:41:37,820 --> 00:41:42,020
This means that the system would simply
be overloaded and overwhelmed.
560
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,720
And this is probably one of the main
disadvantage of tokens.
561
00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:50,410
So they're not included in the technical
standard at all, but rather on the
562
00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:54,330
underlying platforms, namely the
blockchains on which these tokens exist.
563
00:41:57,350 --> 00:42:00,790
There's a risk of hackers accessing and
stealing the digital assets.
564
00:42:01,230 --> 00:42:04,290
Blockchain technology itself is
considered to be very secure.
565
00:42:04,850 --> 00:42:09,250
Despite this, there have been cases of
successful hacker attacks on crypto
566
00:42:09,250 --> 00:42:11,670
exchanges and other blockchain -based
systems.
567
00:42:12,270 --> 00:42:16,810
As a rule, the attackers did not gain
access via the blockchain itself, but
568
00:42:16,810 --> 00:42:18,790
the points where the blockchain is
connected.
569
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:23,710
There is therefore a need to develop a
comprehensive and reliable cybercrime
570
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:24,710
protection system.
571
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:30,630
I think Mika is a great first step.
572
00:42:30,990 --> 00:42:36,150
So, you know, if you can think of like a
global regulatory waterfall that
573
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:37,150
trickles down.
574
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,300
I would say that Europe is kind of
sitting at the top, at the crest of this
575
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:46,860
waterfall. And I think that a lot of
what we achieved with Mika in Europe as
576
00:42:46,860 --> 00:42:51,760
continent is now making its way into the
regulatory thinking and action of other
577
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,760
jurisdictions.
578
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,600
Banks have traditionally acted as asset
managers.
579
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,040
They aim to broaden their range of
service and provide customers with the
580
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,560
extensive possible choice.
581
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:07,410
As a result, they have begun to
investigate the tokenization of assets.
582
00:43:07,630 --> 00:43:08,630
Is this the end of mutual funds?
583
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:15,670
I think, well, a lot of people, it's
just a wrapper. It's not the end of it,
584
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:21,890
I would say the dominant form of
bringing products going forward will be
585
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:23,650
form of ETFs.
586
00:43:24,270 --> 00:43:28,810
For Fink, tokenization is not a
disruption that destroys the old world.
587
00:43:28,810 --> 00:43:30,110
next natural layer of it.
588
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,980
a system where traditional and digital
finance merge into one continuous
589
00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:38,840
structure. It's possible that in the
future, banks may oversee the issuance
590
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,180
trading of tokenized assets.
591
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,060
FinTech has become one of the fastest
growing industries in recent times.
592
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,200
So one area where there is currently a
lot of innovation in tokens is the so
593
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,380
-called payment processing.
594
00:43:59,660 --> 00:44:04,740
You can also take the security tokens as
an example. A bond, for example, pays a
595
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:09,460
regular coupon, perhaps a certain
interest rate once a year, to those who
596
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:10,279
that bond.
597
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,380
You can equip the token with so much
information that it knows the amount of
598
00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:18,420
interest coupon and automatically
collects the interest amount from the
599
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:21,180
and then automatically distributes it to
investors.
600
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,360
In the traditional world, in the banking
world, there is the so -called paying
601
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,180
agent. So when a company issues a bond,
there is a bank that is designated as
602
00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:35,580
the paying agent and then ensures that
the issuer pays its interest on time and
603
00:44:35,580 --> 00:44:36,840
distributes it to the investors.
604
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,680
And this can be automated by program
code.
605
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,500
also by so -called smart contracts, and
this information can be given to the
606
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:45,500
token.
607
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,980
Talking about the ecological impact of
blockchains, I think, is a big deal.
608
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,720
But we as an industry have to ask
ourselves what's right and wrong, right?
609
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,080
of people from looking at it from the
outside then think that all that energy
610
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,100
the same energy mix as the energy that
goes into our daily consumption.
611
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,320
And as much as that was the case, it's
changed dramatically.
612
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:15,020
regenerative energies that have been
started to be used, the hydro energy,
613
00:45:15,020 --> 00:45:20,320
energy, but also solar energy, that
basically go into these node
614
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:25,660
And this is energy that never has been
used in a consumer's perspective.
615
00:45:25,980 --> 00:45:30,260
So it's not competing against the energy
that you and I use in our daily lives.
616
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,920
More than 60 % right now is already
regenerative energy that the Bitcoin
617
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,060
actually uses, and the rest is still
something to work on.
618
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:44,910
In particular, financing by tokens has
the chance to drastically change the
619
00:45:44,910 --> 00:45:46,130
global economy in the future.
620
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:50,610
Companies will be able to map real
assets online and finance them in a
621
00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:51,610
decentralized manner.
622
00:45:52,090 --> 00:45:55,870
Existing financial services are being
replaced by decentralized solutions.
623
00:45:56,810 --> 00:46:02,930
And I think that in the future, what
we're likely going to see is on the side
624
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:04,110
payments and crypto.
625
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,940
you know, we'll have different digital
currency areas.
626
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:13,020
So you could have stable coins and
commercial bank money tokens and
627
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,040
kinds of CBDCs. And these will all exist
in cash.
628
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,260
So all exist in some, you know, as
Germans say, in some mix together.
629
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:24,840
And I don't think that one will
necessarily crowd out the other.
630
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:29,560
On the other hand, I also believe that a
lot of...
631
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:31,900
why we see an interest in crypto.
632
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,160
And I think globally, it's about like 23
% of people globally hold crypto. In
633
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,920
Europe, I think the average is around
17. So we're still on the lower side
634
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,360
compared to the global average, but it's
growing.
635
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,700
And I think it's confidence, right? So
if people don't have confidence in a
636
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,180
system, they look for alternatives.
637
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,860
And I think that the challenge from a
political perspective for the
638
00:46:50,860 --> 00:46:55,500
of the nation states is how do we
instill confidence in our systems in an
639
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:57,660
digital transformation? And there's no
easy answer to that question.
640
00:46:58,010 --> 00:47:02,190
And I think that at the same time, it
might be a little naive to assume that
641
00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:07,250
crypto can solve all of the world's
problems. So I would say that we need
642
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:10,750
sort of tempered optimism or tailored
optimism.
643
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:16,810
There is currently still a lack of
standardization of the networks.
644
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:20,970
In addition, legal standards must be
developed to provide companies and
645
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:23,450
investors alike with clarity and thus
security.
646
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:26,470
We can already see the effects on our
society today.
647
00:47:27,050 --> 00:47:30,290
The technology has already arrived in
the here and now.
648
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,920
At the edge of the world, in a country
with more sheep than people, one of the
649
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,760
most powerful men in Silicon Valley
built an escape hatch.
650
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,980
Not a vacation home, not a tax shelter,
a contingency plan.
651
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:25,640
In 2011, a billionaire quietly secured
citizenship in New Zealand after
652
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,120
just days in the country.
653
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:29,160
A legal backdoor.
654
00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:31,420
a geopolitical lifeboat.
655
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:37,660
Deep in the rugged terrain of New
Zealand's South Island, Peter Thiel owns
656
00:49:37,660 --> 00:49:43,360
vast private estate, remote, secluded,
and far from the centres of power.
657
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,980
While most billionaires buy yachts or
private islands, Thiel secures something
658
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:56,900
more strategic, New Zealand citizenship,
and a vast estate in one of the most
659
00:49:56,900 --> 00:49:58,740
remote democracies on Earth.
660
00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:03,380
The purchase price for this geopolitical
insurance policy?
661
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:11,000
In 2011, SEAL obtained New Zealand
citizenship after spending just 12 days
662
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:16,340
the country over the previous two years,
a process that normally requires years
663
00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:17,340
of residency.
664
00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:22,880
The investment that secured this
exceptional pathway?
665
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,260
Approximately $7 million in local assets
and business investments.
666
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:36,900
The centrepiece, a 477 -acre estate near
Lake Wanaka, purchased
667
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:42,560
for 13 .5 million New Zealand dollars,
about 10 million US dollars.
668
00:50:43,460 --> 00:50:50,180
When New Zealand media exposed the deal
in 2017, it sparked a national scandal.
669
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,779
Hi, Benedict.
670
00:50:51,780 --> 00:50:54,940
Nice to talk to you again. So when we
last spoke, you told us that Peter Thiel
671
00:50:54,940 --> 00:51:00,480
was granted citizenship after having
only visited New Zealand four times for
672
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:05,620
unknown number of days because the
documents had that information redacted,
673
00:51:05,620 --> 00:51:08,840
right? Politicians called it citizenship
for fail.
674
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,840
Opposition leaders demanded
investigations.
675
00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:15,840
But Thiel had already achieved his
objective.
676
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:22,470
a legal escape hatch in the world's most
politically stable democracy, a
677
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:26,230
geopolitical insurance policy that money
can buy.
678
00:51:28,330 --> 00:51:33,650
Why would a man who helped build the
digital future prepare for the collapse
679
00:51:33,650 --> 00:51:34,650
the physical one?
680
00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:38,330
What does he see that others don't?
681
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:49,660
The slogan of the Antichrist is peace
and safety, which is nothing wrong with
682
00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:53,540
peace and safety, but you have to sort
of imagine that it resonates very
683
00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:57,720
differently in a world where the stakes
are so absolute, where the stakes are so
684
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:04,660
extreme, where the alternative to peace
and safety is Armageddon
685
00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:06,200
and the destruction of all things.
686
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,860
He is one of the most polarizing figures
in Silicon Valley.
687
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:17,300
To some, a visionary genius who saw the
future early. To others, the shadow
688
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:22,640
financier of movements and candidates
who challenge liberal democratic norms.
689
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,660
This is not fear. This is strategy.
690
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:32,560
For decades, Peter Thiel has made the
same bets over and over again.
691
00:52:32,980 --> 00:52:35,240
Bets against consensus.
692
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:37,360
Bets against the crowd.
693
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,480
Bets against the system itself.
694
00:52:41,580 --> 00:52:46,080
To understand why he built a fortress at
the end of the earth, we have to go
695
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,800
back to a childhood of constant
displacement, to a chessboard where
696
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,260
meant nothing, to a company that tried
to replace money, and another that
697
00:52:57,260 --> 00:52:58,580
learned to see everything.
698
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,260
But the estate is more than a luxury
retreat.
699
00:53:04,540 --> 00:53:08,300
It is a fortress designed for
civilizational uncertainty.
700
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:15,780
Off -grid power systems, advanced
security infrastructure, multiple
701
00:53:15,780 --> 00:53:17,420
routes through the mountains.
702
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,120
Not built for comfort, built for
continuity.
703
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:27,120
While the world debates progress, Peter
Thiel is preparing for a different
704
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:28,120
possibility.
705
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:32,400
Not how to build the future, how to
survive it.
706
00:53:35,700 --> 00:53:38,220
The Architect of Dissidence
707
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:46,000
Total estimated value of field
contingency infrastructure, $20 to $30
708
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:53,040
Not for lifestyle, not for prestige, but
for the day the system he helped build
709
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,180
no longer holds.
710
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,840
He didn't build this because he panics
easily.
711
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,380
He built it because he has always
believed that the crowd is wrong, and
712
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:06,960
future belongs to those willing to stand
apart from it.
713
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:12,880
Every fortress begins with an idea, and
Peter Thiel has been building
714
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,780
intellectual fortresses since he was a
child.
715
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,700
Before he was a billionaire, before he
funded political outsiders, before he
716
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:33,040
built machines that could see
everything, he was a boy who never
717
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,640
place long enough to believe the world
made sense.
718
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:39,930
So he searched for a world where the
rules didn't change.
719
00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:42,910
He found it on a chessboard.
720
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:48,970
To understand Peter Thiel, you must
understand what it means to be a
721
00:54:48,970 --> 00:54:49,970
outsider.
722
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:56,290
Born in Frankfurt, West Germany, Peter
Thiel spent part of his early childhood
723
00:54:56,290 --> 00:55:01,990
in South West Africa, now Namibia,
before growing up mainly in the United
724
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:04,030
between Ohio and California.
725
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:09,810
Before he was a teenager, he had already
experienced life on multiple
726
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:14,170
continents, never staying long enough to
feel fully at home.
727
00:55:15,150 --> 00:55:17,010
He didn't have a hometown.
728
00:55:17,350 --> 00:55:24,030
He didn't have a tribe. He only had his
own mind, and in that isolation he
729
00:55:24,030 --> 00:55:26,790
found a language that didn't require a
passport.
730
00:55:27,730 --> 00:55:28,730
Chess.
731
00:55:31,340 --> 00:55:35,740
For a child who changed continents
before he could even make friends, the
732
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:38,080
outside world was unpredictable noise.
733
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:43,980
But the board, the board was the only
place where the rules didn't change
734
00:55:43,980 --> 00:55:45,240
depending on the country.
735
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:54,440
His father, an engineer trained in a
culture of precision and systems
736
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,920
passed on a belief that reality could be
understood and optimized.
737
00:56:00,650 --> 00:56:04,830
While other children sought to fit in,
Peter sought the edge.
738
00:56:05,290 --> 00:56:09,550
He learned that the consensus of the
crowd is usually a distraction.
739
00:56:10,590 --> 00:56:16,010
If everyone is running toward the ball,
you run toward where the ball is going
740
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:17,010
to be.
741
00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:20,310
Chess is the ultimate antidote to
consensus.
742
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:24,450
In a crowd, you can hide behind a
popular opinion.
743
00:56:24,790 --> 00:56:28,450
In chess, you are either right or you
are dead.
744
00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:32,990
There is no middle ground. There is no
social construction of the board.
745
00:56:33,970 --> 00:56:39,050
He became a serious tournament chess
player, drawn to a world where rules
746
00:56:39,050 --> 00:56:43,210
fixed, outcomes were earned, and
consensus meant nothing.
747
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:48,210
Mid -1980s, Stanford University.
748
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:53,510
To the world, this was the peak of
American meritocracy.
749
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:57,850
To Thiel, it was a factory of
conformity.
750
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:02,660
While his classmates were debating how
to change the world through activism,
751
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,520
Thiel was wondering why they all sounded
exactly the same.
752
00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:12,420
He saw the multiculturalism movement not
as progress, but as a new form of
753
00:57:12,420 --> 00:57:13,420
fundamentalism.
754
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:20,140
Stanford in the late 1980s was ground
zero for America's culture wars, battles
755
00:57:20,140 --> 00:57:24,560
over multiculturalism, speech, and the
purpose of higher education.
756
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:27,540
Thiel believed the university
757
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:33,310
was drifting toward ideological
conformity, that certain views were
758
00:57:33,310 --> 00:57:36,130
socially, if not formally, off -limits.
759
00:57:36,810 --> 00:57:39,910
Here, his investment methodology was
born.
760
00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:44,770
Identify what the crowd considers sacred
and question it.
761
00:57:46,350 --> 00:57:53,250
If everyone says identity diversity is
the most important thing, you argue that
762
00:57:53,250 --> 00:57:56,930
intellectual diversity is the only thing
that matters.
763
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:03,340
He wasn't looking for friends. He was
looking to recruit others who, like him,
764
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,420
did not fear being hated.
765
00:58:06,060 --> 00:58:08,540
He founded the Stanford Review.
766
00:58:09,180 --> 00:58:14,720
The paper quickly became one of the most
controversial publications on campus,
767
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:21,100
attacking what Fields saw as
intellectual monoculture and political
768
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,720
He saw that the smartest people in the
country were all competing for the same
769
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,360
narrow prizes, thinking the same narrow
thoughts.
770
00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:34,160
He did what every top student does.
771
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,940
He followed the track.
772
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:42,780
After Sanford Law, he secured a
prestigious federal appellate clerkship,
773
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:46,140
kind of credential that opens every
elite door in America.
774
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,120
After his clerkship, he joined Sullivan
and Cromwell in New York.
775
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,200
one of the most elite law firms in the
world.
776
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,060
On paper, he had reached the summit.
777
00:58:57,380 --> 00:59:00,740
Wall Street was his great negative
epiphany.
778
00:59:02,260 --> 00:59:07,100
But from his perspective, the brightest
graduates in America were locked in
779
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:10,620
brutal competition for careers they
didn't even seem to want.
780
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:17,560
It looked like Rene Girard's theory made
flesh, a system where everyone desired
781
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,680
the same prize simply because everyone
else did.
782
00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:25,800
Wall Street looked to Theo like a
laboratory of mimetic rivalry.
783
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,700
He realized that if he won that race,
his prize would be becoming the man in
784
00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:34,740
office next door, a copy of a copy.
785
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:40,440
The day he lost the opportunity to clerk
for the U .S. Supreme Court wasn't a
786
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:42,680
defeat. It was his liberation.
787
00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:45,600
He lasted less than a year.
788
00:59:46,220 --> 00:59:52,380
But Thiel's first venture after leaving
law was a humbling lesson in failure, a
789
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:55,080
lesson that would shape everything that
came after.
790
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:03,820
In 1996, he launched Thiel Capital
Management, a
791
01:00:03,820 --> 01:00:08,420
hedge fund focused on currency trading
and macroeconomic derivatives.
792
01:00:09,140 --> 01:00:14,020
The strategy was to make big directional
bets on interest rates.
793
01:00:14,410 --> 01:00:18,010
inflation expectations, and foreign
exchange movements.
794
01:00:18,790 --> 01:00:25,130
Initial capital raised $1 million,
mostly from Stanford Connections, who
795
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:28,770
believed in the chess prodigy turned
lawyer turned financier.
796
01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:33,830
The result was spectacular failure.
797
01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:38,230
Within the first year, the fund had lost
significant capital.
798
01:00:38,610 --> 01:00:44,230
Industry estimates... suggests losses
between 30 and 40 % of the initial
799
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:45,230
investment pool.
800
01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:47,010
Investors fled.
801
01:00:47,370 --> 01:00:50,570
Some demanded their remaining money back
immediately.
802
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:57,010
Thiel's reputation among finance
professionals, the people he had walked
803
01:00:57,010 --> 01:01:00,210
from at Sullivan and Cromwell, took a
serious hit.
804
01:01:01,270 --> 01:01:03,770
He was no longer the Stanford genius.
805
01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:06,950
He was just another failed trader.
806
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:12,460
But... This failure taught him the most
important lesson of his career.
807
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,260
Competition is for losers.
808
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:21,420
Do not compete in crowded markets where
everyone is making the same trades with
809
01:01:21,420 --> 01:01:23,740
the same information and the same tools.
810
01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:30,200
Wall Street was full of extremely smart
people doing the same macro trades,
811
01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:35,240
reading the same economic reports,
betting on the same currency movements.
812
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,880
It was a zero -sum game played by
thousands of nearly identical players.
813
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:48,820
He needed to find a space where the
rules were still being written, where
814
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:54,540
first mattered more than being best,
where a monopoly position was still
815
01:01:54,540 --> 01:01:57,320
available. He needed technology.
816
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:03,640
And from the ashes of Thiel Capital
Management, a new philosophy was born.
817
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:08,340
If you want to create lasting value, you
have to build a monopoly.
818
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:14,360
This became his investing mantra, and it
would make him billions.
819
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,460
Thiel walked away from the firm and went
back to California, not to start a tech
820
01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:27,100
empire, but to try trading, then to
launch a hedge fund.
821
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,360
It failed.
822
01:02:28,780 --> 01:02:33,020
The system he had rejected did not
welcome him back as a prodigy.
823
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,080
It treated him like a nobody.
824
01:02:35,820 --> 01:02:40,620
That failure would become the last
lesson before his real beginning.
825
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,820
But he learned something.
826
01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:47,940
If you play the system game as everyone
else, you've already lost.
827
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,140
The chess master was done with the
board. He was ready to build his own.
828
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:02,860
So this is an ATM.
829
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,060
All we're going to do is transform the
traditional banking industry.
830
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,300
I do not fit the picture of a banker.
831
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:16,140
Raising $50 million is a matter of
making a series of phone calls.
832
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,960
And the money is there.
833
01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:24,040
I've sunk the great majority of my net
worth into X .com, which is the new
834
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,120
banking and mutual funds company on the
internet that I've started.
835
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,380
December 1998.
836
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:36,760
Peter Thiel co -founds a company called
Confinity with Max Levchin, a brilliant
837
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:42,260
Ukrainian -born programmer, and Luke
Nosek, a fellow Stanford Review alumnus.
838
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:49,040
Initial funding, $300 ,000 scraped
together from friends, family, and
839
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,780
libertarian true believers from the
Stanford day.
840
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:58,120
The original product idea, digital
wallet on Palm Pilot handheld devices.
841
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:04,140
The vision was that people would beam
money to each other using infrared ports
842
01:04:04,140 --> 01:04:05,420
on the Palm Pilot.
843
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,780
In coffee shops, at restaurants, person
to person, by parking banks entirely.
844
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,320
Total users after six months of
operation, 12 people.
845
01:04:20,660 --> 01:04:22,200
Literally 12.
846
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:27,560
Most of them were employees and their
friends testing the systems.
847
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:30,500
It was a complete and utter flop.
848
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,980
The technology worked, but nobody cared.
849
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,580
Nobody wanted it.
850
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,600
March 2000.
851
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,860
Confinity pivots hard and launches a new
feature.
852
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:44,480
Email -based money transfers.
853
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,120
You send money to any email address.
854
01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:53,320
The recipient gets a notification,
creates an account, and the money is
855
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,760
Simple, instant, revolutionary.
856
01:04:56,730 --> 01:04:58,030
The name of this new service?
857
01:04:58,450 --> 01:04:59,450
PayPal.
858
01:05:00,030 --> 01:05:05,690
Within weeks, user growth exploded at a
rate nobody had ever seen in financial
859
01:05:05,690 --> 01:05:06,690
services.
860
01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:09,970
Month 1, 10 ,000 users.
861
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:13,510
Month 3, 100 ,000 users.
862
01:05:13,950 --> 01:05:16,850
Month 6, 1 million users.
863
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:20,270
Month 12, 5 million users.
864
01:05:22,410 --> 01:05:27,030
This was the fastest user adoption rate
in the entire history of financial
865
01:05:27,030 --> 01:05:32,970
services. Faster than credit cards,
faster than checking accounts, faster
866
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:33,970
anything.
867
01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:38,610
But here is what most people do not know
about PayPal's growth.
868
01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:42,710
Here is the secret that the mythology
leaves out.
869
01:05:43,590 --> 01:05:47,750
PayPal's explosive user acquisition was
not organic.
870
01:05:48,230 --> 01:05:50,250
It was not word of mouth.
871
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,660
It was not viral in the natural sense.
872
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,680
They literally bought their users with
cash.
873
01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:03,780
The strategy was elegantly simple and
brutally expensive.
874
01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:09,360
Sign up for a PayPal account, get $10
deposited instantly.
875
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,360
Refer a friend who signs up, gets
another $10.
876
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:16,140
Your friend also gets $10.
877
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:23,640
Cost per acquisition, $20 to $40 per
user, depending on how many referrals
878
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:24,640
user generated.
879
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:30,500
Monthly cash burn rate at peak growth,
$10 to $12 million.
880
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,500
Just vanishing into user acquisition.
881
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:41,880
By late 2000, PayPal was spending $60 to
$70 million annually just to buy
882
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,660
users with cash incentives.
883
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,220
They were hemorrhaging money at a
terrifying rate.
884
01:06:48,820 --> 01:06:52,720
Investors were panicking. Board members
were demanding answers.
885
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:59,760
How long can you sustain spending $10
million a month buying users?
886
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,020
But Thiel had done the mathematics.
887
01:07:03,580 --> 01:07:06,100
He had run the numbers obsessively.
888
01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:13,600
Each acquired user was worth $100 to
$200 in lifetime transaction fee
889
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:15,200
through the PayPal network.
890
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:20,000
They were buying $100 bills for $20
bills.
891
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:26,480
It was either genius or insanity,
depending on whether the math actually
892
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,200
Thiel believed it would work. He bet
everything on it.
893
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,360
But there was a problem, a major
problem.
894
01:07:34,820 --> 01:07:38,100
Another company was doing the exact same
thing.
895
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:45,530
X .com, a finance company founded by
Elon Musk, with money from his Zip2 exit
896
01:07:45,530 --> 01:07:50,390
and a vision for online banking that was
nearly identical to PayPal's.
897
01:07:51,970 --> 01:07:58,850
Two companies, same idea, same market,
both burning massive amounts of cash at
898
01:07:58,850 --> 01:08:01,070
completely unsustainable rates.
899
01:08:01,710 --> 01:08:06,670
Total funding raised between both
companies, over $100 million.
900
01:08:08,130 --> 01:08:11,830
Combined monthly cash burn rate, over
$20 million.
901
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:18,140
Time until both companies simultaneously
ran out of money, less than six months.
902
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,160
The merger was inevitable.
903
01:08:23,180 --> 01:08:27,300
X .com and Confinity merged into a
single entity.
904
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:33,000
The combined company kept the PayPal
name because users had already adopted
905
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,740
The brand had momentum.
906
01:08:35,300 --> 01:08:41,279
Elon Musk became chief executive officer
of the merged company for five months.
907
01:08:45,069 --> 01:08:46,250
October 2000.
908
01:08:46,830 --> 01:08:52,310
While Elon Musk was on his honeymoon,
the board of directors, led by Peter
909
01:08:52,310 --> 01:08:58,149
and other Confinity founders, held an
emergency meeting and voted Musk out as
910
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:59,149
CEO.
911
01:08:59,670 --> 01:09:04,970
The official reason cited strategic
disagreements over technology platform.
912
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:08,330
Musk wanted to use Microsoft software.
913
01:09:08,649 --> 01:09:12,930
The Confinity engineers believed in Unix
-based systems.
914
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:14,819
The actual reason?
915
01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:16,520
Thiel wanted control.
916
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:17,920
Full control.
917
01:09:18,260 --> 01:09:20,420
This was his company now.
918
01:09:22,540 --> 01:09:26,140
Peter Thiel became chief executive
officer of PayPal.
919
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,840
Elon Musk remained a major shareholder,
but his operational control was
920
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:32,840
finished.
921
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:39,960
The two men, both future billionaires,
both future power brokers, had their
922
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,960
first battle.
923
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,200
Thiel won.
924
01:09:43,149 --> 01:09:48,189
At its core, PayPal ran on a simple idea
that turned into a powerful engine.
925
01:09:49,390 --> 01:09:56,230
Every time money moved, PayPal took a
small cut, 2 .9 % plus 30 cents per
926
01:09:56,230 --> 01:10:01,890
transaction. If that money crossed
borders, the fee climbed to between 2 .5
927
01:10:01,890 --> 01:10:07,870
and 4%. Then there was the float, the
cash sitting in PayPal's accounts
928
01:10:07,870 --> 01:10:11,050
payments, quietly earning interest for
the company.
929
01:10:11,660 --> 01:10:14,960
Tiny slices, repeated millions of times.
930
01:10:15,660 --> 01:10:20,460
By 2001, the numbers told the story of a
system coming to life.
931
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:26,260
Every single day, $5 -8 million flowed
through PayPal's network.
932
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:31,680
Each month, that translated into $10 -15
million in revenue.
933
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:36,140
But growth at this speed came at a cost.
934
01:10:36,460 --> 01:10:42,570
Running the system, fighting fraud,
scaling infrastructure, acquiring users,
935
01:10:42,570 --> 01:10:46,130
burning $20 to $30 million every month.
936
01:10:46,910 --> 01:10:50,570
The machine worked, it just wasn't
profitable yet.
937
01:10:51,630 --> 01:10:52,950
Late 2000.
938
01:10:53,970 --> 01:10:57,550
PayPal's data scientists discovered
something crucial.
939
01:10:58,070 --> 01:11:03,230
70 % of all PayPal transactions were
happening on eBay auctions.
940
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:08,890
People buying and selling random items
on the Internet's largest marketplace
941
01:11:09,370 --> 01:11:11,410
were using PayPal to move money.
942
01:11:12,110 --> 01:11:15,350
The strategic insight became immediately
clear.
943
01:11:15,610 --> 01:11:21,290
Make PayPal the only payment method that
eBay users trust completely.
944
01:11:22,090 --> 01:11:25,210
Own that market, become indispensable.
945
01:11:26,050 --> 01:11:32,330
The execution, buyer protection
guarantees that eBay's own payment
946
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:33,330
not offer.
947
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:38,150
Instant payment transfers with no 7 -day
check clearing period.
948
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:45,000
Fraud detection algorithms that were
better than credit card companies.
949
01:11:45,460 --> 01:11:48,400
Email notifications for every
transaction.
950
01:11:48,900 --> 01:11:51,260
Simple, clean user interface.
951
01:11:53,220 --> 01:11:58,340
By mid -2001, the strategy was working
beyond all projections.
952
01:11:58,820 --> 01:12:03,960
50 % of all e -mail auctions accepted
PayPal as a payment method.
953
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,740
PayPal was processing $50 million daily
in eBay -related transactions alone.
954
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:13,100
And then eBay noticed.
955
01:12:13,460 --> 01:12:15,480
And eBay was not happy.
956
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:22,820
eBay launched their own competing
service called Billpoint and attempted
957
01:12:22,820 --> 01:12:24,260
PayPal through the marketplace.
958
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:27,720
They promoted Billpoint in search
rankings.
959
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:31,640
They penalized sellers who only accepted
PayPal.
960
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,040
They made it harder to display the
PayPal logo.
961
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,700
It was war.
962
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:40,200
PayPal's response was total war.
963
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,820
Temporarily lower transaction fees to
undercut bill points.
964
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,280
Guarantee faster money transfers than
eBay could offer.
965
01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:55,960
Invest heavily in superior $30 million
deployed in 2001 fraud protection.
966
01:12:56,820 --> 01:12:59,440
Massive marketing spending alone.
967
01:13:00,750 --> 01:13:03,350
By early 2002, the war was over.
968
01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:07,770
PayPal controlled 65 % of eBay's payment
market.
969
01:13:08,530 --> 01:13:15,090
Billpoint at barely 10%. eBay executives
looked at the numbers
970
01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:16,430
and reached the conclusion.
971
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:19,530
If you cannot beat them, buy them.
972
01:13:20,190 --> 01:13:21,790
July 2002.
973
01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:27,770
eBay acquires PayPal for $1 .5 billion
in eBay stock.
974
01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:34,750
Peter Thiel owned approximately 3 .7 %
of PayPal at the time of the
975
01:13:35,230 --> 01:13:39,810
His equity stake was worth $55 million
in eBay stock.
976
01:13:40,590 --> 01:13:45,670
After taxes, he walked away with
approximately $40 million in liquid
977
01:13:46,150 --> 01:13:50,230
At age 34, he had won his first billion
-dollar game.
978
01:13:51,950 --> 01:13:56,250
But the money was not the most valuable
thing he extracted from PayPal.
979
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,080
The real value was the network.
980
01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:03,180
The PayPal Mafia. The name they gave
themselves.
981
01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:05,200
And it was not ironic.
982
01:14:05,660 --> 01:14:07,020
It was descriptive.
983
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:12,760
The core team that Thiel assembled at
PayPal would go on to create some of the
984
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,200
most valuable companies in human
history.
985
01:14:15,860 --> 01:14:20,600
Elon Musk. Tesla market cap $650
billion.
986
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,050
SpaceX. Estimated value $150 billion.
987
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:28,470
Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn.
988
01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:31,550
Sold to Microsoft for $26 billion.
989
01:14:32,510 --> 01:14:36,530
Steve Chen, Chad Hurley, Jawed Kareem.
990
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:40,930
YouTube. Sold to Google for $1 .65
billion.
991
01:14:41,330 --> 01:14:44,170
Now worth over $100 billion.
992
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:50,210
Jeremy Stoppelman and Russell Simmons,
Yelp.
993
01:14:50,670 --> 01:14:53,090
peaked at $3 billion market cap.
994
01:14:53,470 --> 01:14:58,350
David Sachs, Yammer, sold to Microsoft
for $1 .2 billion.
995
01:14:59,470 --> 01:15:01,970
Later founded Kraft Ventures.
996
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:06,050
Max Levchin, a firm $12 billion company.
997
01:15:06,650 --> 01:15:08,730
Also co -founded Yelp.
998
01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:15,930
Keith Rabois, COO of Square, partner at
Founders Fund, investor in
999
01:15:15,930 --> 01:15:17,710
dozens of unicorns.
1000
01:15:19,660 --> 01:15:25,520
Roloff Boffer, partner at Sequoia
Capital, led investments in Instagram,
1001
01:15:25,820 --> 01:15:29,380
YouTube, Tumblr, MongoDB, Eventbrite.
1002
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:35,620
Total value created by the PayPal mafia
across all their companies,
1003
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:41,900
conservatively estimated at over $200
billion in combined market
1004
01:15:41,900 --> 01:15:43,120
capitalization.
1005
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:49,000
Fields ownership stakes across this
extended network through direct
1006
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,360
and fund positions estimated at $2 to $4
billion.
1007
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:57,160
This was not just a company that got
acquired.
1008
01:15:57,460 --> 01:16:03,020
This was the creation of the most
powerful business cartel in Silicon
1009
01:16:03,020 --> 01:16:04,020
history.
1010
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,640
But what made PayPal different was not
the technology.
1011
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:13,140
Not really. The technology was
impressive.
1012
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:20,240
but not miraculous what made paypal
different was the culture the religion
1013
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,960
extreme meritocracy seals hiring
criteria were brutally specific
1014
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:32,480
one raw intelligence high test scores
ability to solve
1015
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:39,320
complex puzzles proof you could think
better than everyone else two intensity
1016
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:45,120
are you willing to work 100 hour weeks
Are you willing to sacrifice everything
1017
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:46,820
else in your life for the mission?
1018
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:48,620
3.
1019
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,040
Missionary zeal.
1020
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,440
Do you actually believe we are changing
the world?
1021
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:55,640
Or are you here for a paycheck?
1022
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:59,160
4. Loyalty to the tribe.
1023
01:16:59,700 --> 01:17:01,700
Will you protect the other members?
1024
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:03,960
Will you put the group above yourself?
1025
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,860
Average employee age at PayPal.
1026
01:17:08,180 --> 01:17:09,720
25 years old.
1027
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:11,440
Average work week.
1028
01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:13,750
80 to 100 hours.
1029
01:17:14,190 --> 01:17:20,950
Office culture, libertarian, anti
-regulation, contrarian, anti
1030
01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:26,730
They called themselves the Mafia
specifically because loyalty mattered
1031
01:17:26,730 --> 01:17:27,730
credentials.
1032
01:17:30,230 --> 01:17:35,990
More than degrees, more than previous
experience, Thiel's operating principle
1033
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:38,470
stated explicitly and repeatedly.
1034
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:43,860
Talented people do not want to work with
people who are less talented than they
1035
01:17:43,860 --> 01:17:49,900
are. So every new hire must be more
talented than the average current
1036
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,500
Otherwise, we are diluting the talent
pool.
1037
01:17:54,060 --> 01:17:59,820
This created a self -reinforcing
escalation, an arms race of hiring.
1038
01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:05,660
Every new person raised the bar. The
standards became higher and higher.
1039
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,990
Only the absolute best could get in. And
once you were in you were family.
1040
01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:15,790
But here is what most people forget
about PayPal.
1041
01:18:16,170 --> 01:18:19,610
Here is the original vision that got
erased from the mythology.
1042
01:18:20,410 --> 01:18:23,770
PayPal was supposed to destroy the
Federal Reserve.
1043
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:27,870
It was supposed to undermine state
control of currency.
1044
01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:30,330
That was the actual mission.
1045
01:18:30,570 --> 01:18:35,310
That was why Peter Thiel, the
libertarian ideologue, cared so much.
1046
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:42,720
The original vision laid out in SEAL's
founding documents creates a new digital
1047
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,180
currency outside government control.
1048
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:51,400
Enable true peer -to -peer transactions
globally without state intermediaries.
1049
01:18:51,780 --> 01:18:55,680
Undermine the state monopoly on money
creation and management.
1050
01:18:56,740 --> 01:19:00,760
Build the financial infrastructure for a
stateless society.
1051
01:19:01,500 --> 01:19:03,360
What actually happened?
1052
01:19:03,580 --> 01:19:09,400
To become mainstream, to actually scale,
PayPal had to compromise every single
1053
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:10,420
founding principle.
1054
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,000
They had to integrate with the
traditional banking system.
1055
01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:20,440
The enemy. They had to comply with Know
Your Customer and anti -money laundering
1056
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:21,440
regulations.
1057
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:22,940
Government control.
1058
01:19:23,660 --> 01:19:26,440
They had to partner with credit card
companies.
1059
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:29,140
The old system they wanted to destroy.
1060
01:19:29,420 --> 01:19:32,520
They had to get licensed in every single
state.
1061
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,260
Regulatory capture.
1062
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,280
They had to report suspicious
transactions to federal authorities,
1063
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,760
By 2002, PayPal was regulated exactly
like a bank.
1064
01:19:46,500 --> 01:19:51,940
Partnered with banks, dependent on banks
for all core functionalities, the
1065
01:19:51,940 --> 01:19:57,000
libertarian revolution had become just
another fintech company, playing by the
1066
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:58,000
government's rules.
1067
01:19:59,150 --> 01:20:03,750
Thiel learned the most important lesson
of his career from PayPal's failure to
1068
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:05,570
achieve its revolutionary mission.
1069
01:20:06,090 --> 01:20:09,830
You cannot disrupt the system from
inside the system.
1070
01:20:10,370 --> 01:20:15,070
If you want to change the rules, you
cannot ask permission from the people
1071
01:20:15,070 --> 01:20:15,909
wrote them.
1072
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:19,130
This lesson would shape everything he
did next.
1073
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:21,390
Palantir, Facebook.
1074
01:20:23,630 --> 01:20:25,530
His political investments.
1075
01:20:26,050 --> 01:20:27,050
Everything.
1076
01:20:28,170 --> 01:20:33,630
The PayPal acquisition was not an
ending. It was a beginning, the start of
1077
01:20:33,630 --> 01:20:34,890
something much larger.
1078
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:41,050
The pattern that emerged over the next
20 years, PayPal veterans leave and
1079
01:20:41,050 --> 01:20:42,810
new companies in different sectors.
1080
01:20:43,610 --> 01:20:48,310
Feel invest early as angel investor or
through founder's fund.
1081
01:20:48,670 --> 01:20:52,290
PayPal mafia members join each other's
boards of directors.
1082
01:20:52,770 --> 01:20:56,670
Cross -investment between all their
venture funds creates alignment.
1083
01:20:57,430 --> 01:21:01,490
Preferential access to deal flow because
of network relationships.
1084
01:21:02,030 --> 01:21:05,670
Shared intelligence about markets,
technology and opportunities.
1085
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:09,590
Real examples of how the network
compounds.
1086
01:21:10,270 --> 01:21:14,990
Reid Hoffman introduces Thiel to Mark
Zuckerberg in 2004.
1087
01:21:15,710 --> 01:21:19,150
Thiel invests $500 ,000 in Facebook.
1088
01:21:19,870 --> 01:21:22,250
Eventually makes over $1 billion.
1089
01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:26,530
Roloff Bosa joins Sequoia Capital.
1090
01:21:27,100 --> 01:21:32,180
and invests in multiple Thiel -backed
companies, creating reciprocal deal
1091
01:21:32,860 --> 01:21:37,680
David Sachs hosts high -dollar
fundraisers for Thiel's political
1092
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,740
mixing business and politics seamlessly.
1093
01:21:42,820 --> 01:21:49,320
Max Levchin provides seed capital for
Palantir and serves as advisor, lending
1094
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,320
credibility.
1095
01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:57,760
This network effect multiplier is
precisely how Thiel turned $55 million
1096
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,920
PayPal into over $5 billion in net worth
today.
1097
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,840
The PayPal Mafia is not a cute nickname.
It is not a metaphor.
1098
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:12,860
It is the most successful organized
business cartel in Silicon Valley
1099
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:17,700
A self -reinforcing network of wealth,
power, and influence.
1100
01:22:18,220 --> 01:22:21,800
that has shaped the entire technology
industry for two decades.
1101
01:22:22,180 --> 01:22:25,760
And Peter Thiel sits at the center of it
all.
1102
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:27,320
The Godfather.
1103
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:40,120
After PayPal, Peter Thiel was a man with
a billion dollars and a dangerous
1104
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:41,120
secret.
1105
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:46,880
While other investors were looking at
spreadsheets and profit margins, Thiel
1106
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:51,320
looking at the human soul through the
eyes of his mentor, René Girard.
1107
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,600
Girard taught him a terrifying truth.
1108
01:22:55,180 --> 01:22:57,920
Human beings don't know what they want.
1109
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,420
We are mimetic creatures.
1110
01:23:01,020 --> 01:23:05,980
We don't desire things for themselves.
We desire them because other people
1111
01:23:05,980 --> 01:23:10,120
desire them. We are copy machines
disguised as individuals.
1112
01:23:12,340 --> 01:23:13,700
August 2004.
1113
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,420
Facebook has been online for exactly six
months.
1114
01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:24,160
It started as a Harvard dorm project and
has now expanded to several college
1115
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:25,160
campuses.
1116
01:23:26,160 --> 01:23:29,280
The metrics that Zuckerberg shows seal.
1117
01:23:29,540 --> 01:23:35,880
Total registered users, 200 ,000, almost
entirely college students.
1118
01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:41,220
Daily active user rate, 70 to 80 %
engagement.
1119
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,420
Unprecedented in web services.
1120
01:23:45,100 --> 01:23:48,680
Revenue, zero dollars. No business model
yet.
1121
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,180
Valuation Zuckerberg is asking for, five
million dollars.
1122
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:58,900
Every single professional venture
capitalist in Silicon Valley has passed
1123
01:23:58,900 --> 01:24:02,960
Facebook. Every major firm has looked
into it and said no.
1124
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,940
The reasons they gave? It is just a
college directory.
1125
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:08,760
Limited market.
1126
01:24:09,340 --> 01:24:12,300
Friendster has already five million
users.
1127
01:24:12,750 --> 01:24:14,890
and is the leader in social networking.
1128
01:24:15,230 --> 01:24:19,150
MySpace is dominant with 8 million users
and growing fast.
1129
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:23,190
There is no obvious business model or
revenue stream.
1130
01:24:23,790 --> 01:24:29,490
Mark Zuckerberg is too young, too
inexperienced, too risky as a founder.
1131
01:24:31,210 --> 01:24:34,290
Peter Thiel saw something completely
different.
1132
01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:37,290
Something that had nothing to do with
technology.
1133
01:24:38,410 --> 01:24:44,510
Thiel had spent years studying Rene
Girard's mimetic theory, the
1134
01:24:44,510 --> 01:24:47,970
framework that would shape his entire
investment approach.
1135
01:24:48,370 --> 01:24:52,810
The core idea, humans do not have
original desires.
1136
01:24:53,170 --> 01:24:55,930
We desire what other people desire.
1137
01:24:56,330 --> 01:25:00,190
We learn what to want by watching other
people want.
1138
01:25:00,890 --> 01:25:02,690
Desire is imitative.
1139
01:25:03,250 --> 01:25:04,890
Desire is social.
1140
01:25:05,190 --> 01:25:07,250
Desire is mimetic.
1141
01:25:08,430 --> 01:25:12,670
When Thiel looked at Facebook, he did
not see a technology platform for
1142
01:25:12,670 --> 01:25:13,670
connecting friends.
1143
01:25:13,970 --> 01:25:19,390
He saw something far more powerful. He
saw the perfect mimetic desire machine.
1144
01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:22,350
The insight that made Thiel invest.
1145
01:25:22,910 --> 01:25:26,530
Social networks do not create value by
connecting people.
1146
01:25:26,910 --> 01:25:30,590
That is not where the money is. The
money is in comparison.
1147
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:35,590
The money is in making people compare
themselves to each other constantly.
1148
01:25:36,650 --> 01:25:40,970
You see your friend's vacation photos,
you want a better vacation.
1149
01:25:41,310 --> 01:25:45,810
You see someone's job promotion
announcement, you want higher status.
1150
01:25:46,310 --> 01:25:50,330
You see someone's relationship photos,
you want romance.
1151
01:25:52,030 --> 01:25:56,030
You see someone getting likes and
comments, you want validation.
1152
01:25:57,170 --> 01:26:02,110
You see someone's perfect life, you feel
your own life is inadequate.
1153
01:26:03,730 --> 01:26:05,670
Facebook was not selling connections.
1154
01:26:06,570 --> 01:26:08,410
Facebook was selling envy.
1155
01:26:08,710 --> 01:26:14,670
And envy, feel understood from Gerard,
is the most powerful economic force in
1156
01:26:14,670 --> 01:26:15,670
human history.
1157
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:18,450
The desire for what others have.
1158
01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:22,770
They need to keep up. The fear of being
left behind.
1159
01:26:23,190 --> 01:26:29,310
Infinite envy creates infinite demand.
Infinite demand creates infinite value.
1160
01:26:30,970 --> 01:26:32,390
September 2004.
1161
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,920
Peter Thiel wires $500 ,000 to Facebook
Inc.
1162
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:45,840
The deal terms 10 .2 % equity ownership
in the company, a board
1163
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:51,840
seat giving him governance rights and
inside information, right of first
1164
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:57,820
on all future funding rounds, post
-money valuation of exactly $5 million.
1165
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,100
Mark Zuckerberg's reaction after the
deal closed?
1166
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,640
This guy actually gets it. He
understands what we are building.
1167
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:08,820
Silicon Valley's reaction?
1168
01:27:09,420 --> 01:27:14,160
Peter Thiel just threw away half a
million dollars on a college kid's
1169
01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:16,860
This will be his biggest failure.
1170
01:27:17,860 --> 01:27:21,720
What happened next rewrote the history
of venture capital.
1171
01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:24,860
2004, end of year.
1172
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:29,340
200 ,000 users grew to 1 million users.
1173
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:33,470
Five times growth in four months. 2005.
1174
01:27:34,130 --> 01:27:38,550
One million users becomes 5 .5 million
users.
1175
01:27:38,830 --> 01:27:44,390
2006. 5 .5 million users becomes 12
million users.
1176
01:27:44,930 --> 01:27:50,970
2007. 12 million users exploded to 50
million users.
1177
01:27:51,230 --> 01:27:56,570
2008. 50 million users doubled to 100
million users.
1178
01:27:57,490 --> 01:27:58,570
2009.
1179
01:27:59,370 --> 01:28:03,550
100 million users becomes 350 million
users.
1180
01:28:03,890 --> 01:28:09,530
Growth rate, the user base was doubling
every six to nine months for five
1181
01:28:09,530 --> 01:28:10,690
consecutive years.
1182
01:28:11,450 --> 01:28:17,130
This growth curve has never been seen
before in business history, not even
1183
01:28:17,130 --> 01:28:23,330
close. As Facebook grew, its valuation
grew, and Peter Thiel's stake grew with
1184
01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:24,330
it.
1185
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:26,290
May 2005.
1186
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:33,080
Axel Partners invests $12 .7 million at
$100 million valuation.
1187
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:38,400
Theo's 10 .2 % stake is now worth $10 .2
million.
1188
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:42,800
He has achieved 20 times return in nine
months.
1189
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,640
April 2006.
1190
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:52,980
Greylock Partners and Meritech Capital
invest $27 .5 million at $500 million
1191
01:28:52,980 --> 01:28:53,980
valuation.
1192
01:28:54,680 --> 01:29:01,100
Sealsake is now worth $51 million, 100
times return on his original investment.
1193
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:03,600
October 2007,
1194
01:29:04,380 --> 01:29:11,100
Microsoft invests $240 million, valuing
Facebook at $15
1195
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:12,100
billion.
1196
01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:19,380
Sealsake is now worth $1 .5 billion, a
300 ,000 times return
1197
01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:20,560
in three years.
1198
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,020
2009 through 2011.
1199
01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:30,780
Multiple private sales and secondary
transactions value Facebook at $50
1200
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:37,060
Thiel's stake, if he had held
everything, would be worth $5 billion.
1201
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,700
May 18th, 2012.
1202
01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:47,800
Facebook goes public at a market
capitalization of $104 billion.
1203
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,360
But Thiel does not hold everything.
1204
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,640
He is strategic.
1205
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:53,940
He is tactical.
1206
01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:55,600
He takes profits.
1207
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:02,240
At the initial public offering, Thiel
sells $640 million worth of shares
1208
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:03,240
immediately.
1209
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:08,580
Over the following six months, he sells
the remainder of his stake in carefully
1210
01:30:08,580 --> 01:30:09,580
timed transactions.
1211
01:30:10,740 --> 01:30:16,080
Total cash realized from the Facebook
investment, approximately $1 billion.
1212
01:30:17,740 --> 01:30:22,280
Initial investment in August 2004, $500
,000.
1213
01:30:22,700 --> 01:30:27,680
Total cash realized by end of 2012, $1
billion.
1214
01:30:28,660 --> 01:30:33,180
Total return, 2 ,000 times in 8 years.
1215
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:39,020
This is the single greatest venture
capital return in recorded history.
1216
01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:40,160
else comes close.
1217
01:30:40,660 --> 01:30:42,400
But here is the twist.
1218
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:48,160
The haunting decision... that Thiel
himself admits keeps him awake at night.
1219
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:50,240
Selling was a mistake.
1220
01:30:51,100 --> 01:30:57,480
If Peter Thiel had held his original 10
.2 % stake and had never sold a single
1221
01:30:57,480 --> 01:31:03,920
share, that stake at Facebook's peak
market capitalization in 2021 would have
1222
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,180
been worth $102 billion.
1223
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:09,400
$102 billion.
1224
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,560
He left $100 billion on the table by
selling early.
1225
01:31:15,740 --> 01:31:20,960
Thiel himself admitted this publicly,
saying, The mistake was not investing in
1226
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,900
Facebook. The mistake was selling
Facebook.
1227
01:31:24,580 --> 01:31:26,460
I should have held longer.
1228
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:31,860
I should have believed more. It is the
single most expensive decision of his
1229
01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:32,860
life.
1230
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:39,060
Years later, in a Stanford lecture,
Thiel explained his actual investment
1231
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:40,060
thesis.
1232
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,280
The real reason he invested.
1233
01:31:42,740 --> 01:31:47,600
I did not invest in Facebook because I
thought social networks were going to be
1234
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:52,740
big. I invested because I understood
that humans will always want to be more
1235
01:31:52,740 --> 01:31:53,740
like their peers.
1236
01:31:53,940 --> 01:31:57,300
That desire is infinite. It never stops.
1237
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:59,420
It only intensifies.
1238
01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:03,320
An infinite desire creates infinite
value.
1239
01:32:03,740 --> 01:32:06,980
The mimetic theory made him a
billionaire.
1240
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:12,760
The memetic theory also made him
terrified of what he had helped create.
1241
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:19,720
A machine that weaponizes human envy. A
system that profits from making people
1242
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:20,720
feel inadequate.
1243
01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:25,940
An algorithm that amplifies the worst
aspects of human nature.
1244
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:32,340
Peter Thiel helped build the most
powerful behavior modification system in
1245
01:32:32,340 --> 01:32:36,820
history. And then he cashed out for a
billion dollars.
1246
01:32:45,620 --> 01:32:48,980
2003. Peter Thiel has a problem.
1247
01:32:49,460 --> 01:32:54,460
It is the CIA's problem that they think
Thiel can solve it.
1248
01:32:54,700 --> 01:33:00,440
His PayPal anti -fraud algorithms have
become so sophisticated at detecting
1249
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:05,360
patterns in financial transactions, at
finding terrorists trying to move money
1250
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:12,100
through banking systems, that the CIA
venture capital arm in QTEL requested a
1251
01:33:12,100 --> 01:33:13,100
meeting.
1252
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:14,900
The pitch from the CIA.
1253
01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:20,020
Can you build what you built for PayPal,
but for national security?
1254
01:33:20,540 --> 01:33:24,180
Can you find terrorists the way you
found fraudsters?
1255
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:26,280
May 2003.
1256
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:32,440
Peter Thiel co -found Palantir
Technologies with an unusual group of co
1257
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:37,720
-founders. The founding team, Alex Karp,
Chief Executive Officer.
1258
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:43,820
Stanford law degree, philosophy, PhD
from Frankfurt University in Germany.
1259
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:48,160
Former human rights lawyer who once
worked on refugee cases.
1260
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:53,780
An extremely odd choice to run a company
that will become the most powerful
1261
01:33:53,780 --> 01:33:56,300
surveillance technology provider on
earth.
1262
01:33:57,260 --> 01:34:00,500
Nathan Gettings, chief technology
officer.
1263
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:03,560
PayPal's lead security engineer.
1264
01:34:04,100 --> 01:34:06,920
Brilliant programmer, Joe Lonsdale.
1265
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:12,960
A Stanford undergraduate student, barely
20 years old, one of the first Thiel
1266
01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:17,840
fellows. Stephen Cohen, PayPal's chief
security architect.
1267
01:34:18,220 --> 01:34:21,620
The person who actually built the fraud
detection algorithms.
1268
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:24,160
Initial funding, $2 million.
1269
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,940
Entirely from Peter Thiel's personal
capital.
1270
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:30,360
No outside investors yet.
1271
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,200
This is his project.
1272
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:34,720
The mission statement...
1273
01:34:34,940 --> 01:34:40,180
Build software that can find patterns in
massive datasets from disparate,
1274
01:34:40,180 --> 01:34:41,520
incompatible sources.
1275
01:34:42,540 --> 01:34:48,480
The kind of data that, if intelligence
agencies have been able to analyze it
1276
01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:52,800
properly, could have prevented September
11th, 2001.
1277
01:34:53,880 --> 01:35:00,160
The company name, Palantir, named after
the seeing stones in Lord of the Rings,
1278
01:35:00,510 --> 01:35:04,950
The magical orbs that allow their
possessors to see anything happening
1279
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:05,950
in Middle Earth.
1280
01:35:06,290 --> 01:35:08,510
Even the name revealed the ambition.
1281
01:35:09,010 --> 01:35:11,230
Total information awareness.
1282
01:35:12,030 --> 01:35:14,650
The ability to see everything.
1283
01:35:17,290 --> 01:35:24,290
2005. The CIA's venture capital arm, In
-Q -Tel, invests $2 million in
1284
01:35:24,290 --> 01:35:26,470
Palantir's Series A funding round.
1285
01:35:26,930 --> 01:35:28,710
This was not just money.
1286
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:34,640
This was validation from the
intelligence community, a stamp of
1287
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:39,080
the most secretive, most paranoid
organization in the US government.
1288
01:35:39,980 --> 01:35:43,260
Initial contract value, undisclosed.
1289
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:49,480
Government intelligence contracts are
classified by law, but industry analysts
1290
01:35:49,480 --> 01:35:54,420
estimate the first CIA contracts were
worth $5 to $10 million annually.
1291
01:35:55,260 --> 01:35:58,440
The product was called Palantir Gotham.
1292
01:35:58,970 --> 01:36:00,710
The name itself was significant.
1293
01:36:01,230 --> 01:36:07,210
Gotham, the dark city that needs Batman.
The city that needs surveillance to
1294
01:36:07,210 --> 01:36:08,210
fight crime.
1295
01:36:08,510 --> 01:36:10,130
Core technical capabilities.
1296
01:36:10,990 --> 01:36:16,370
Integrate data from dozens of
incompatible government databases that
1297
01:36:16,370 --> 01:36:21,470
designed to communicate with each other.
From hidden connections between people,
1298
01:36:21,650 --> 01:36:25,810
places, financial transactions,
communications metadata.
1299
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:31,840
Visualize networks of relationships in
ways human analysts could understand
1300
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:37,840
intuitively. Predict future behavior and
likely attack patterns based on
1301
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:38,900
historical data.
1302
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,640
Specific use cases for intelligence
agencies.
1303
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:46,280
Track terrorist cells across multiple
countries.
1304
01:36:46,660 --> 01:36:50,280
Map drug trafficking routes from
production to distribution.
1305
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:55,740
Identify money laundering networks
moving funds for organized crime.
1306
01:36:56,520 --> 01:37:01,780
predict insurgent attacks in Iraq and
Afghanistan based on pattern
1307
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:03,420
It worked.
1308
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,020
The software actually worked.
1309
01:37:06,440 --> 01:37:13,260
By 2006, Palantir software was being
actively used in Iraq for
1310
01:37:13,260 --> 01:37:16,480
operations and in IED attack prediction.
1311
01:37:18,100 --> 01:37:21,660
Afghanistan for predicting Taliban
leadership networks.
1312
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:26,480
Langley, Virginia at SEIA headquarters
for threat analysis.
1313
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:31,740
FBI field officers nationwide for
domestic terrorism investigation.
1314
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:38,060
Early revenue growth told the story of
Palantir's expanding reach.
1315
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:41,940
2005, $3 million in revenue.
1316
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:46,400
Government contracts only. 2006, $10
million.
1317
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:50,540
2007, $25 million.
1318
01:37:51,450 --> 01:37:53,530
2008, $50 million.
1319
01:37:54,010 --> 01:37:56,350
First commercial clients added.
1320
01:37:56,810 --> 01:37:59,910
2010, $150 million.
1321
01:38:00,610 --> 01:38:03,330
2012, $400 million.
1322
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:09,990
By 2012, Palantir had achieved something
extremely rare for a high -growth
1323
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:12,250
technology company, profitability.
1324
01:38:13,090 --> 01:38:17,530
They were actually making money, not
just burning venture capital.
1325
01:38:18,250 --> 01:38:21,050
Customer revenue breakdown in 2012.
1326
01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:23,190
Government contracts.
1327
01:38:23,550 --> 01:38:25,390
60 % of revenue.
1328
01:38:26,090 --> 01:38:27,350
$240 million.
1329
01:38:28,110 --> 01:38:31,310
Commercial clients. 40 % of revenue.
1330
01:38:31,730 --> 01:38:33,390
$160 million.
1331
01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:37,330
May 1, 2011.
1332
01:38:38,130 --> 01:38:43,370
Palantir Software plays a role in the
operation that kills Osama bin Laden.
1333
01:38:43,630 --> 01:38:46,490
A role that remains partially
classified.
1334
01:38:47,050 --> 01:38:49,590
but has been confirmed by multiple
sources.
1335
01:38:50,230 --> 01:38:52,050
How Palantir contributed?
1336
01:38:52,630 --> 01:38:56,950
Palantir Gotham integrated dozens of
different intelligence sources.
1337
01:38:57,930 --> 01:39:01,170
CIA human intelligence on courier
networks.
1338
01:39:01,530 --> 01:39:07,110
NSA signal intelligence including phone
metadata and email communications
1339
01:39:07,110 --> 01:39:08,110
patterns.
1340
01:39:08,750 --> 01:39:15,170
National Geospatial Intelligence Agency
satellite imagery of potential compound
1341
01:39:15,170 --> 01:39:16,170
locations.
1342
01:39:16,750 --> 01:39:21,350
historical pattern analysis of previous
high -value target operations in
1343
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:22,350
Pakistan.
1344
01:39:23,650 --> 01:39:28,810
The system identified patterns and
connections that human analysts, working
1345
01:39:28,810 --> 01:39:32,510
separate databases, that did not
communicate, had missed.
1346
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:38,450
It narrowed the search area and helped
confirm the identity of the Abbottabad
1347
01:39:38,450 --> 01:39:39,450
compound.
1348
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:45,300
When asked about Palantir's role in the
Bin Laden operation, Field gave
1349
01:39:45,300 --> 01:39:46,760
carefully worded response.
1350
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:52,500
I cannot comment on specific operations
or specific clients due to
1351
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:55,980
classification requirements, but I will
say this.
1352
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:01,880
Tools that help protect American lives
and help intelligence professionals do
1353
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:04,960
their jobs better. That is our mission.
1354
01:40:06,940 --> 01:40:13,040
This single operation, this single
success, legitimized Palantir's entire
1355
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,820
proposition for the national security
establishment.
1356
01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:20,260
After Bin Laden, the contract poured in.
1357
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:26,660
After the Bin Laden success, Palantir's
government business exploded.
1358
01:40:27,180 --> 01:40:30,740
Revenue growth from 2012 to 2015.
1359
01:40:31,940 --> 01:40:33,000
2012,
1360
01:40:33,740 --> 01:40:38,900
$400 million in revenue. 2013, $600
million.
1361
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,400
2014, $900 million.
1362
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:47,240
2015, $1 .5 billion in revenue.
1363
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,420
Major new contracts announced publicly.
1364
01:40:53,680 --> 01:41:00,320
U .S. Department of Defense, $222
million for a three -year data
1365
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,220
integration platform contract.
1366
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:04,280
U .S. Army.
1367
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:11,040
$800 million for comprehensive data
platform modernization across all Army
1368
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,040
systems.
1369
01:41:12,220 --> 01:41:14,700
U .S. Special Operations Command.
1370
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:20,040
$444 million for targeting and
intelligence fusion.
1371
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:22,940
Department of Homeland Security.
1372
01:41:23,700 --> 01:41:28,880
$240 million for border security and
immigration enforcement systems.
1373
01:41:30,230 --> 01:41:35,570
Palantir had become the single most
important software company in the entire
1374
01:41:35,570 --> 01:41:40,490
.S. defense and intelligence
establishment, more important than
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defense contractors, more embedded in
classified operations.
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Simultaneously, Palantir launched a
commercial product called Palantir
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01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:53,350
for private sector clients.
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The sales pitch to corporate America.
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01:41:56,810 --> 01:42:00,130
Your company has exactly the same
problem as the CIA.
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Too much data, too many incompatible
systems, not enough insight.
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01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:09,470
We can help you find the patterns you
are missing.
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Major commercial clients and estimated
contract values.
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01:42:16,050 --> 01:42:17,690
J .P. Morgan Chase.
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Over $100 million.
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01:42:20,650 --> 01:42:23,510
Fraud detection and financial crime
prevention.
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01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:29,780
Morgan Stanley, over $50 million, risk
management and regulatory compliance.
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01:42:30,620 --> 01:42:36,900
Airbus, over $75 million, supply chain
optimization and manufacturing
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01:42:36,900 --> 01:42:37,900
analytics.
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01:42:38,660 --> 01:42:45,400
Merck Pharmaceuticals, over $60 million,
drug discovery analytics and
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01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:47,240
clinical trial data integration.
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01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:51,020
BP, over $80 million.
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01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:55,760
Oil field production, optimization, and
predictive maintenance.
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01:42:56,660 --> 01:43:01,020
Commercial revenue growth from 2015 to
2020.
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In 2015, they got $600 million
commercial revenue.
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By 2016, the number was around $800
billion.
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01:43:11,380 --> 01:43:18,080
In 2017, they reached $1 .1 billion in
commercial revenue, and it became their
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peak year.
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2018 made them hit the $750 million
mark, a temporary decline due to
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churn.
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In 2019, revenue was around $745
million.
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01:43:34,780 --> 01:43:39,520
And by 2020, they reached $1 .1 billion
again.
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This recovery was driven by COVID
analytics contracts.
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Palantir had created a business model
with two enormous locked -in customer
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bases, the US government and the largest
corporations in the world.
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But Palantir's work, especially for
government agencies, attracted intense
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controversy and moral criticism.
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In 2019, they secured a contract with
ICE for $49 million.
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The purpose of the contract was
enforcement and removal operations
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meaning a software used to identify,
track and process undocumented
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for deportation.
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This project came with a controversy
attached.
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The software was used during the family
separation policy at the southern
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border. Children separated from their
parents, families torn apart.
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Palantir software helped make it
operationally possible.
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Hundreds of Palantir employees signed an
internal letter demanding the company
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cancel the ICE contract.
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They argued the company was enabling
human rights abuses.
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Thiel and Karp's response?
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Absolute refusal.
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The contract would continue.
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Alex Karp gave a public statement saying
that they had chosen sides and that the
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company supported American institutions.
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01:45:13,340 --> 01:45:17,560
But this was not the only controversy
Palantir has faced.
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Palantir worked alongside the NYPD, with
a contract estimated between $50 and
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01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:25,640
$100 billion.
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The mission?
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Predictive policy.
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They were asked to use historical crime
data to predict where future crimes will
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01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:38,720
occur and who is likely to commit them.
The controversy?
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Civil rights groups argued that systems
perpetuated racial bias.
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Minority neighborhoods were flagged as
high risk.
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01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:52,840
Innocent people were put under
surveillance based on algorithmic
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01:45:54,460 --> 01:46:00,860
Joe Lonsdale, Palantir co -founder, had
made a personal investment in Cambridge
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01:46:00,860 --> 01:46:06,480
Analytica. Multiple Palantir employees,
on their own time, helped Cambridge
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01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:09,180
Analytica build data integration models.
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01:46:11,340 --> 01:46:16,620
Both companies used similar approaches
to data harvesting and psychological
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01:46:16,620 --> 01:46:22,640
profiling. When the connection was
exposed by journalists, Palantir claimed
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01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:28,280
there was no institutional relationship,
just coincidental personal connections.
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01:46:29,480 --> 01:46:32,480
But the damage to Palantir's reputation
was done.
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01:46:32,820 --> 01:46:38,760
Thiel had built the Panopticon, the all
-seeing eye of corporate and government
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01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:39,760
surveillance.
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01:46:40,620 --> 01:46:42,720
September 30, 2020.
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01:46:43,860 --> 01:46:49,240
After 17 years as a private company, one
of the longest periods of private
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01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:55,040
operation for any major tech company,
Palantir finally goes public through a
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01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:56,120
direct listing.
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01:46:58,060 --> 01:47:03,860
They went public at $10 per share, and
their market capitalization at market
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01:47:03,860 --> 01:47:05,940
open was $16 billion.
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01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:13,200
By the first day, shares were down 5%.
The stock was initially a
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01:47:14,100 --> 01:47:18,340
Investors were skeptical of the business
model, worried about customer
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01:47:18,340 --> 01:47:21,440
concentration, concerned about the
controversy.
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01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:28,020
But then COVID -19 created massive new
demand for Palantir's capabilities.
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01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:35,360
2020 to 2021, Palantir wins enormous
pandemic -related government contracts
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01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,620
with governments across the world.
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01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:42,960
The pandemic proved that governments
needed Palantir, and the market
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01:47:43,540 --> 01:47:49,960
By late 2021, Palantir stock had
exploded, $29 per share.
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01:47:50,890 --> 01:47:57,490
At 190 % gain from the direct listing
price, market capitalization $60
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01:47:57,490 --> 01:47:58,490
billion.
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01:48:01,530 --> 01:48:03,150
Peter Thiel's stake.
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01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:09,190
Approximately 7 % ownership, worth $4 .2
billion at the peak.
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2022. The tech crash hit Palantir
brutally hard.
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01:48:14,890 --> 01:48:20,270
Stock prices crashed to $6 per share,
down 8 % from the peak.
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01:48:20,860 --> 01:48:23,560
Market cap collapses to $13 billion.
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01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:28,200
Seals paper wealth from Palantir
evaporates.
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01:48:28,580 --> 01:48:29,660
Billions gone.
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01:48:30,340 --> 01:48:35,800
2023 to 2024, the AI boom creates new
opportunities.
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Palantir markets itself as the AI
platform for governments and
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01:48:41,500 --> 01:48:44,080
And they get major new contract wins.
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The U .S. Army invested $463 million for
AI -powered battlefield analytics and
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01:48:51,770 --> 01:48:53,190
decision support systems.
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01:48:54,450 --> 01:49:00,210
Palantir stock recovered, 25 to 30 per
share by 2024.
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01:49:01,390 --> 01:49:07,910
As of 2024, Peter Thiel's current
Palantir holdings are approximately 7 %
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01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:13,690
shares, with the current value ranging
from 3 .8 % to 4 .5 billion dollars
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01:49:13,690 --> 01:49:20,390
depending on daily stock price this
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01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:26,870
makes palantir field single largest
source of personal wealth in
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01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:32,210
2024 palantir's financial performance
was divided between government and
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01:49:32,210 --> 01:49:38,390
commercial revenues the company's net
income was 2 .5 billion dollars annually
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01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:43,520
And, as big as the number is, this might
represent a future problem for the
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01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:48,620
company. If government budget cuts
happen, Palantir is extremely
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01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:53,300
Their entire business model depends on
continued government spending.
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Here is Peter Thiel's fundamental
contradiction.
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01:49:58,340 --> 01:50:02,760
The paradox at the heart of everything
he has built, he claims to be a
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01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:06,920
libertarian who values individual
freedom above all else.
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01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:11,900
A man who believes government power
should be minimal. A man who wrote that
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01:50:11,900 --> 01:50:14,700
freedom and democracy are incompatible.
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01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:20,600
Yet, he built the most powerful private
surveillance technology company in human
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01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:26,620
history. A company that gives
governments and corporations
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01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:30,900
to monitor, track, predict and control
human behavior.
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01:50:31,980 --> 01:50:37,130
Palantir's technical capabilities
include real -time tracking, of
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01:50:37,130 --> 01:50:43,650
across multiple data sources and
databases predictive
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01:50:43,650 --> 01:50:49,830
behavioral modeling that forecasts what
people will do before they do it network
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01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:54,910
analysis that maps every person you have
ever contacted through any medium
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01:50:54,910 --> 01:51:01,390
complete integration of financial
records communication metadata location
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01:51:01,390 --> 01:51:07,050
history and social relationship data
into a single unified profile.
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01:51:08,050 --> 01:51:13,470
Thiel's defense of this contradiction
was explaining that the alternative to
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01:51:13,470 --> 01:51:16,110
Palantir is not no surveillance.
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01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:22,230
The alternative is worse surveillance
performed by incompetent government
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01:51:22,230 --> 01:51:26,970
bureaucrats using decades -old
technology that does not work properly.
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01:51:30,990 --> 01:51:33,070
The critics' response was obvious.
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01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:39,630
They told Thiel he had built the
Panopticon, the architecture of total
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01:51:39,630 --> 01:51:40,630
surveillance.
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01:51:41,230 --> 01:51:45,270
A system allowing governments around the
world to use their citizens'
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01:51:45,530 --> 01:51:47,110
information to control them.
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01:51:47,310 --> 01:51:50,250
Not a system to protect them, said the
critics.
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01:51:51,510 --> 01:51:54,750
Palantir now operates in dozens of
countries worldwide.
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01:51:55,230 --> 01:52:00,010
The United States, the United Kingdom,
Germany, France, Australia.
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01:52:00,570 --> 01:52:01,570
and even Japan.
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01:52:01,770 --> 01:52:07,910
The company has some controversial
international clients, some confirmed,
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01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:14,450
alleged, but the total estimated value
of all global contracts lifetime, over
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01:52:14,450 --> 01:52:17,410
$10 billion in contract value.
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01:52:18,350 --> 01:52:22,490
Palantir is Peter Thiel's most important
company.
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01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:26,850
Not because of its valuation, though
that is substantial.
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01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:28,970
Not because of its revenue.
1513
01:52:29,530 --> 01:52:30,850
though that is significant.
1514
01:52:31,550 --> 01:52:37,030
Palantir is important because it reveals
the truth about Thiel's worldview.
1515
01:52:37,410 --> 01:52:42,510
It is the bridge between his libertarian
philosophy and his authoritarian
1516
01:52:42,510 --> 01:52:43,510
reality.
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01:52:44,170 --> 01:52:50,050
He claims to want freedom from
government control, but Palantir gives
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01:52:50,050 --> 01:52:53,630
governments unprecedented control over
their citizens.
1519
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:56,970
The resolution of this apparent
contradiction
1520
01:52:57,930 --> 01:53:03,930
Peter Thiel believes in freedom for the
elite and surveillance for everyone
1521
01:53:03,930 --> 01:53:04,930
else.
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01:53:05,790 --> 01:53:10,570
In his vision of the world, there are
rulers and there are the rules.
1523
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:15,810
There are the people who make the
decisions and the people who are
1524
01:53:16,570 --> 01:53:22,650
Palantir is the enforcement mechanism
for that hierarchy, the technology that
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01:53:22,650 --> 01:53:24,970
ensures the rulers can see everything.
1526
01:53:25,790 --> 01:53:31,530
the system that makes resistance
impossible because privacy no longer
1527
01:53:32,030 --> 01:53:37,790
And Peter Thiel sits at the center of
that eye, watching the world, seeing
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01:53:37,790 --> 01:53:41,730
everything, the architect of the
surveillance state.
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01:53:46,230 --> 01:53:52,430
In 2016, Peter Thiel made an investment
that every other major technology
1530
01:53:52,430 --> 01:53:53,550
investor avoided.
1531
01:53:55,790 --> 01:54:00,290
While his peers in Silicon Valley were
contributing millions to the opposing
1532
01:54:00,290 --> 01:54:06,710
campaign, Thiel wrote a check for $1 .25
million for Donald Trump's presidential
1533
01:54:06,710 --> 01:54:09,850
campaign. This was not ideology.
1534
01:54:10,230 --> 01:54:13,350
This was portfolio diversification.
1535
01:54:14,330 --> 01:54:18,410
Thiel has always invested in contrarian
positions.
1536
01:54:19,050 --> 01:54:21,890
When everyone zigs, he zags.
1537
01:54:22,110 --> 01:54:28,440
When consensus forms in one direction,
He looks for asymmetric opportunities in
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01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:29,440
the other.
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