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I can say generally that every spy is
making you a damage because the fact
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that the spy is in the surroundings of
officers, people
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who are close to state secrets, it's
harming.
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Shin Bet was penetrated. There was
researching, biological research
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was penetrated.
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I know that there have been some cases
in which were not
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published, and therefore I cannot talk
about it.
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It's a question of censorship and gag
orders, and as a law -abiding Israeli
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citizen, I don't break the law.
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I can tell you for sure that not 100 %
of the spies were revealed
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or found by the Israeli agency.
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Israel has never made any secrets of
using espionage against its enemies and
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friends for many decades, not least in
Lebanon, Iran, and in Gaza.
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It often boasts that its intelligence
agencies like Mossad and Shin Bet are
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most effective in the world.
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It uses agents, high -tech surveillance,
and sophisticated planned operations,
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like the Pager attacks on Hezbollah, in
Lebanon in September 2024.
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Espionage is a global game played by the
world's most influential powers in war
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and peacetime.
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One of the strengths of the ISA is the
connections, the cooperation that we
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with the American and the British
intelligence.
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This is very important.
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There is a way of cooperation, you know.
We share with them, they share with us.
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The counter -intelligence, the counter
-espionage system is working very
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successfully because of, you know, the
long experience that we are doing it for
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so many years. There are so many cases.
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But sometimes Israel's high -tech
intelligence operations have faltered.
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Despite their reputation, mistakes are
made and failures occur.
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like the 1973 Arab -Israeli war and the
7th of October, 2023.
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This film examines some of these
failures and counter -espionage by
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enemies, using spies to inform on their
own country.
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Now, I'm hearing very much lately all
the stories that we
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have a case of treason.
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That's not true.
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What happened on the 7th of October was
a colossal failure of
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intelligence, of operational and of
technical force.
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In this case of 7th of October, we
didn't have intelligence, any concrete
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intelligence about what they are going
to do tomorrow.
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And even on the night, early morning.
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of 7th of October, when there were some
signals that
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something maybe is developing inside
Gaza,
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among the Hamas, the decision was to see
it as an exercise.
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And they were preparing for it for at
least two years. And we didn't know
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it. We had him have a clue.
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So in the case of October 7th, the
intelligence failure is much worse than
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73.
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The security breach that allowed the
Hamas -led attack on southern Israel to
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take place in October 2023 caused some
analysts to think about other
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intelligence failures.
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Had Israel previously been compromised
by foreign intelligence agencies that
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covered it up?
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We hear from a former director of the
internal security agency Shin Bet and a
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journalist specializing in intelligence
and strategic affairs.
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Society, many of them were recruited
through the immigration waves.
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Always immigration and waves and
refugees and movement of people are a
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good hunting ground to recruit spies.
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Most potential spies are lured into this
murky world for two main reasons,
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ideology and money.
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In the former Soviet Union and the old
Eastern Bloc countries, intelligence
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agencies, particularly the KGB, found
Jewish immigration to Israel in the
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fertile ground for recruitment.
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They exploited the immigrants'
experience of communism and their need
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to recruit hundreds of spies and deploy
them in key Israeli institutions.
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success stories of recruiting Israeli
agents.
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And the first one, which I would like to
mention, is Professor Kurt Sitte,
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who was a professor in the Israeli
Technology Institute in Haifa.
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He actually was running by the Czech
intelligence, but the Soviets were very
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much involved in it, because Kurt Sitte,
who was a senior scientist, had an
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access. kind of engagement with the
Israeli nuclear program that started to
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developed at that time.
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Professor Kurt Theta was one of the
world's leading experts in cosmic rays,
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Czech intelligence managed to recruit
him.
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When he arrived in Israel in 1954, Theta
got a job at the Israel Institute of
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Technology, Technion.
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which enabled him to pass on crucial
military information.
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The Israeli authorities closely
monitored Sita's meetings with his
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the Czech embassy and arrested him in
1960.
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Sita confessed to espionage and was
sentenced to five years in prison.
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The trick in the matter is two things.
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Number one, the Israeli scientists
intervened and presented several
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the President of the Republic and the
Prime Minister to release him, as they
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considered him a scientist. But the
other important part is that Mossad and
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Bet later discovered that the CIA knew
that he was a spy for the
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Cheeky investigation and did not report
it.
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Israel never revealed how much damage
Sita caused, but soon after, another
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came to light.
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Senior Army Lieutenant Colonel Israel
Baer worked with Israeli Prime Minister
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and Defense Minister David Ben -Gurion.
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He was arrested in early 1961.
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Baer had been seen delivering a
briefcase full of files to his handler
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Soviet Embassy.
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The Israeli investigation said he
provided the embassy with defense
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intelligence.
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Israel there is a very interesting case
because he immigrated
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to Israel in the early 40s, and he wrote
a few books about
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military strategy here in Israel, and
somehow he became an advisor.
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to the Prime Minister and the Ministry
of Defense of Israel at that time, David
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Ben -Gurion. He was talking to every
military gathering
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in Israel, and he was speaking with a
lot of confidence, and everybody saw
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he is prestigious, and people in the
military would share with him,
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would ask for his advice.
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Baer confessed that he spied for
ideological reasons.
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He strongly believed that the Soviet
Union would become the world's most
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influential superpower and that Israel
should be its ally.
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He was sentenced to 15 years in prison,
but the damage he caused remained
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classified.
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Israel Baer was one of the most powerful
And I would say missing
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most of the harmful spies that Israel
had.
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Damage is considered to be something
that Israel is not ready
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to say it openly.
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That Israel is leaving it in a secret.
If Israel Bear was a part
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of a secret consensus at the Prime
Minister's office,
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And there they were talking about
tactics. This kind of information is a
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big benefit to the other side.
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Around the same time as the Baer case,
another spy was recruited purely for
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money.
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In the summer of 1948, Polish immigrant
Lucjan Lewy arrived in the newly
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established state of Israel. He quickly
got a job at Shin Bet.
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His Polish handlers showered him with
large sums of money, enabling him to
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a lavish lifestyle in Tel Aviv.
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He was always photographing his Shin Bet
colleagues and knew about most of their
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operations.
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He learned and knew all the information
about him
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Levi passed on intelligence to his
Polish handlers, who in turn shared it
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Moscow.
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He continued spying for nine years until
1957.
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But another immigrant who'd worked with
Polish intelligence arrived in Israel
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and implicated Levi under interrogation.
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His trial lasted for three years, but
his story remained confidential.
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So he also caused a lot of damage
because he knew about all the plans, the
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operations of the Shin Bet, the Israeli
security services.
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against the Russian and the Bulgarian
and the Romanian and the Polish and the
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Czech embassies in Tel Aviv. He warned
them in advance, tomorrow or in two
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time there is an operation against you.
So it gave them an opportunity to fool
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the Israelis.
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The truth is that this caused a great
damage to the Schoenbeet, and it was
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forced, and this is the most important
thing, to change all the methods of its
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work and all the movements that the
Dutch spy did not know the real plans.
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This cost a lot.
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This continued to affect the work of the
Schoenbeet, and continued to affect
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that they are always skeptical that they
have a spy from the inside.
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But counter -espionage against Israel
wasn't limited to the Soviets and the
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Poles.
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In 1954, Israel recruited a network of
Jewish agents to plant explosives in
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American and British facilities in
Egypt.
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Operation Susanna, also known as the
Laon Affair, aimed to sabotage Western
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relationships with the Egyptian
authorities.
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Egyptian intelligence discovered the
network and prosecuted all except its
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leader, Avri Elad.
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Israel accused Elad of treason after
suspecting he'd been recruited by the
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Egyptians as a double agent.
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The case shook Israel and ultimately
forced Israeli Defense Minister Pinhas
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Lavon to resign.
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The case of Avri Elad, or as we called
in Israel the third man, that's a
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serious case.
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He was a traitor.
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who betrayed an entire network of
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Egyptian Jews who worked for the Israeli
intelligence. Two of them were
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hanged, others were sentenced to many,
many years in jail.
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Egypt also looked for opportunities to
recruit Israeli spies.
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In 1963, an Israeli, Sami Baruch, walked
into the Egyptian embassy in
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Switzerland. He'd lost a lot of money in
a failed textile business in Israel,
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and he offered his services to Egyptian
intelligence.
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They gave Baruch a passport and sent him
to Cairo for training, and then on to
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spy in Israel.
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They gave him money to hire Eastern
European workers for his factory, and
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became his spy network.
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But Baruch was spotted in Switzerland
getting off an Egyptian airline's plane,
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and the Israelis became suspicious.
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He sent some reports to Egypt, but he
was arrested and sentenced to 18 years
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prison.
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or debts from his fame or from other
shops, he was not able to achieve that,
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he had a kind of financial support.
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And maybe he was angry that no one
helped him, so he went to the Egyptian
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intelligence.
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And the Egyptian intelligence, in any
case, I think it did its duty.
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It trained him well and told him what to
do.
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But it seems that he is not an
intelligence man. He is a businessman,
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And even if you trained him, it is not
necessary for him to complete his new
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job. So he was discovered.
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As part of the Israeli -Palestinian
conflict, there were counter -espionage
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attempts by Palestinian groups.
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Some based in Syria tried to build
connections with the Israeli socialist
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movement as a ploy to infiltrate the
political heart of Israel.
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They made contact with members of an
Arab -Jewish network in Israel called
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Red Front.
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This was a left -wing Marxist anti
-Zionist organization.
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that included Jews and Palestinians,
best known were the Israeli Ehud Adib
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the Palestinian Dawud Turki.
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In 1972, Adib went to Syria and met
Palestinian armed groups.
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But Shin Bet had the Red Front under
close surveillance. They planted
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devices in their meeting places and
arrested all of them.
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It was one of the first cases of
betrayal.
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of young people who were considered to
be the best of the best of this society.
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Udi was not the only one. Udi and Dani
went to Syria and talked to the
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PLO representative there.
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They were thinking of having some common
struggle, like in South Africa.
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... ... ...
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...
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... ... ... ... ... ...
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So first they were charged with having
contact with the enemy. Then came also
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the charge of spying against Udi Adib.
The spionage
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that was related to him was based on the
fact that while he met the activists in
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Syria, he wanted to show that he's
really loyal to the idea,
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and he spoke about his...
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experience as a paratrooper. And
therefore he's
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being mentioned nowadays as the spy, the
Israeli spy.
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Therefore, the punishment was so hard in
order to deter other people from
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joining this idea.
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Ehud Adib saw himself as a
revolutionary, fighting to achieve
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But he was tried for espionage in an
Israeli court and sentenced to 17 years
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prison.
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Another activist, Sylvia Klingberg,
married him in prison in 1975, hoping to
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Israeli public opinion to bring about
his release.
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Sylvia's father was Marcus Klingberg, a
founder of the Israeli Institute for
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Biological Research.
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However,
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Marcus Klingberg was arrested in 1983.
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Shin Bet had long been suspicious about
him, and they had a trap saying they
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wanted him to travel to Asia.
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But when he left the house on the day of
his trip, he was taken for
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interrogation.
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Under Shin Bet questioning, Klingberg
confessed to spying for the Soviet Union
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decades earlier.
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His case remained secret until 1985,
when a British journalist went to Tel
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planning to interview Klingberg for an
investigative report on chemical
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So I arrived in Israel, and I checked in
with the Israeli Defense
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Forces because he worked in this
Chemical and Biological Weapons
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And they said, Marcus Klingberg? You
want to see Marcus Klingberg?
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No, he disappeared.
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At the time, I was 3 years old. He was
told that he had a trip to Singapore.
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A car was waiting for him at Tel Aviv.
Instead of taking him to the airport,
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the car took him to an interrogation
room.
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After one or two days, quite quickly, he
finally confessed
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that he had spied on the benefit of the
Soviet Union.
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He confessed...
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at the moment when those who proceed to
the interrogation tell him that they
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know the address of his daughter and his
little son.
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Everything is closed to him.
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And so my grandfather receives the
maximum punishment at the time.
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Marcus Klingberg's daughter Sylvia, when
she had seen this piece that I had
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written in the Observer, was determined
to try and get her father out of jail.
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Israel's intelligence services have the
reputation of being among the most
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sophisticated in the world.
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But espionage is a double -edged sword,
and Israel itself has sometimes fallen
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victim to covert enemy activity.
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Yet it always seems to manage to play
these failures down or keep them out of
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the public domain.
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In this film, we're looking at cases in
which the Soviet Union, Iran, and other
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intelligence services recruited Israelis
to spy on their own country.
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One of these was the Israeli
epidemiologist, Marcus Klingberg.
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He was arrested by Shin Bet in 1983,
interrogated, and confessed to having
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for the Soviet Union.
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Israel imposed a gagging order on the
Klingberg family.
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But Klingberg's daughter, Sylvia, was
determined to get her father released.
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She and her French lawyer reached a
secret agreement with the Soviet Union
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spy swap deal with Israel.
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It was arranged by East German lawyer
Wolfgang Vogel on the Soviet side and
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Amnon Zekroni for Israel.
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We have a meeting in my office, it was
not this one, I was at Rue de Rivoli at
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the time, with Sylvia, with Vogel, who
only spoke German, with Zichroni.
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And there, Sylvia and I attend a kind of
ping -pong game, whose ping -pong balls
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are the names of spies.
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Zichroni, I want Polar.
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Pollard was an Israeli spy who was
arrested in the United States because he
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obviously done the same thing that was
reproached to Klingberg for having done,
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and he had also been sentenced
elsewhere.
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And then I want Ron Arad. Ron Arad is a
pilot of the Israeli army who had
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been shot down from memory above the
Liban.
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And Vogel said, well, I want Klingberg.
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And then, unfortunately,
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The fall of the Soviet Union in 1991
torpedoed the spike change deal.
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So the Klingbergs appealed to mark his
release on humanitarian grounds.
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His health had declined badly after 15
years of a life sentence.
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Our strategy obviously changed and we
pleaded for a liberation on
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a humanitarian basis. It was long, but
in the end we did it, especially because
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we had the support of a certain number
of personalities and also the former
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leader of the Shin Bet.
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I went to the prime minister, to Yitzhak
Rabin, and I told Yitzhak Rabin that I
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think
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that we have reached to the stage that
we can parole
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him. The system didn't want.
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They all went against me because he was
the worst spy, etc., and
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the damage.
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And I told the court that my
understanding that from humanitarian
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reasons, and the court received my...
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But Israel kept Klingberg under close
surveillance.
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He still had details of their biological
weapons, which he'd leaked to the
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Soviet Union.
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Israeli intelligence considered
Klingberg the worst kind of traitor
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informed on one of the country's most
secretive institutions.
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His wife also worked for the KGB and
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others, I think, in the Institute also,
but we don't know about that. One of his
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ideas was, I'm giving information which,
OK, is top secret to the Soviet
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Union and they are building these
weapons and the Americans have these
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and now we have a balance.
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And so hopefully that balance will equal
out.
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and they won't go to war.
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Klingberg got his wish in that the US
and the Soviet Union never did go to
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But three years after his arrest, there
was another Israeli security breach.
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Mordechai Vanunu was an Israeli
technician at the nuclear research
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as the Dimona reactor.
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In the summer of 1986, he secretly
gathered information and photographed...
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and gave them to the British newspaper,
the Sunday Times.
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We were asked when?
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You change your mind about Israel.
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And he said it was in 1982 at the first
Lebanon war.
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And he said that at that time he decided
that Israel, the behavior of the state
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of Israel is risking the world because
according to his knowledge, that's what
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he said, Israel has nuclear facilities,
nuclear capabilities.
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He thinks that Israel is risking the
security of the whole world.
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The Israeli external intelligence agency
Mossad only found out about Venunu
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after the Sunday Times checked the
photos and information.
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They then lured him to Italy, drugged
him, and took him back secretly to
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Venunu spent 18 years in jail.
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When he was released in 2004, he was
barred from speaking to journalists and
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remained under close surveillance.
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But the Veneno affair was not the end of
it.
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Shortly before the collapse of the
Soviet Union, reports emerged in 1990
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the recruitment of Reserve Colonel
Shimon Levinson.
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He was a senior Israeli military
intelligence officer who worked for
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then as head of security at the office
of the prime minister.
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After being lured to Tel Aviv, Levinson
admitted that he went to the Soviet
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embassy in Bangkok in 1983 and later
visited Moscow for instructions from his
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handlers. He said he demanded large sums
of money in return.
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This is an unbelievable case because
Shimon Levinson was considered Israel to
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be, many people knew him, considered to
be somebody who was beyond suspicious.
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He was a lieutenant colonel in the army
for many years. He was living in
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Jerusalem. People know him. He got this
position of the head of the security of
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the prime minister's office, which gave
him fantastic access.
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to the most sensitive information that
can be, meaning that, you know, every
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government meeting, every meeting of the
Cabinet of Defense.
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The information that Levinson leaked to
the Soviet Union remained classified.
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His arrest and trial stayed secret until
1993, when he was sentenced to 12 years
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in prison.
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Simon Levinson was a part of the prime
minister's ministry.
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And, of course, there are concentrations
and all kinds of papers that are
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produced by the intimate staff of the
prime minister. And it
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is the high secret of the country that
nobody wants to
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talk about them openly.
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And if a spy knows it, the other
countries know it, and damage is done.
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With Shimon Levinson, it's much more
easier. It's just money. And I
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met him as well. When I heard that
Shimon Levinson was compromised as a
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Soviet agent, I thought it's a
nightmare.
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I couldn't believe that something like
this happened because Shimon Levinson
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one of us.
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Levinson turned out to be one of them, a
major Soviet asset.
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But there was a shift in international
espionage.
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when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.
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Vasily Mitrakin was a KGB archivist who
spent years copying top -secret
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documents. But in 1992, he defected to
Britain and gave some of the KGB
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to British intelligence.
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They then shared names of some of the
Israeli agents who'd spied for the
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Union with Israeli intelligence.
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Israel banned publication of these
documents.
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But that didn't stop the British
historian Christopher Andrew publishing
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spies' names in a book he co -wrote with
Massili Mitrokhin called The KGB in the
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World.
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This Mitrokhin was a KGB officer, and
when he was interviewed, he spoke
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also, he knew, obviously, about Israel
as well. Luckily, most of what he has
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shared there was already known to the
ISA.
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It's interesting, in a few cases he
didn't know the real name.
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He knew only the code name. Immediately
after he was defected and was
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interviewed, already the information
that has to be of interest to Israel was
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transferred to Israel through the
intelligence channels of cooperation.
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The collapse of the Soviet Union also
made it easier to conduct business in
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Eastern European countries.
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Israeli businessman Nahum Manbar was
based in Poland.
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At the time, Iran urgently needed
weapons after its eight -year war with
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Manbar seized the opportunity, and
between 1992 and 1993, he effectively
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Iran develop chemical and biological
weapons.
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But his trips to Iran attracted Mossad's
attention.
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Talking about...
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The big damages that caused to Israeli
national security, one can
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remember Nahum Manba. Nahum Manba was a
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businessman who sold
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chemicals to Iran.
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The Israeli law doesn't differentiate
between...
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Israeli investigators probed Manbar for
detailed information, but he continued
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to insist that Shin Bet and Mossad knew
all along about his business dealings
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with Iran.
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However, in 1998, an Israeli court
convicted him of treason and what it
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called... aiding the enemy and sentenced
him to 16 years in jail.
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The Israeli service knew about his ties
to Iran.
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He was followed also by the Mossad guys
when he was in Europe.
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And while he was followed, there was a
car accident and two Mossad agents were
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killed. Yes, he was a pain in the neck.
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And it was very, very damaging. It was
serious, and it was astonishing
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that, you know, an Israeli would
cooperate with the enemy.
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Following the Manbar case, both Israel
and Iran aimed to recruit agents on the
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ground.
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Israel didn't seem to be able to prevent
the Iranian recruitment, and this led
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to more security breaches.
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There were reports that Mossad accused
one of their own agents, Ben Zigir, of
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exposing details of a secret mission to
Iran.
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Mossad arrested Zigir and kept his case
secret, but it all came out when Zigir
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took his own life in 2010 in a maximum
security cell monitored 24 -7.
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There is a case which was reported
abroad of Ben Zigir.
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An Australian Jew emigrated to Israel
out of Zionist
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ideology, was recruited by the Mossad,
was in operations
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in the Mossad, in operations which were
directed against
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Iran, against Iran's nuclear
capabilities.
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And then he talked to some people. He
wanted to boost how important he is,
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what a secret mission he has been
involved in.
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And he caused a great deal of damage,
and he was arrested, and he was
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in Israeli jail, and he was not properly
guarded in jail and committed suicide.
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Israeli intelligence tends to play down
Iranian attempts to recruit spies from
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within, including the case of the former
Minister of Energy and Infrastructure,
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Gonan Segev, in 2018.
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Segev admitted spying for Iran since
2012, providing them with sensitive
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information about security, energy
resources, and names of officials.
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Israel banned the publication of details
of the Segev case.
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after he was sentenced to 11 years in
prison in 2019.
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But I think the Israeli intelligence,
the security services, almost very
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got hold of him. They tricked him,
basically,
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to bring him back to Israel. He was kind
of kidnapped from another African
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country.
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Despite trying to keep cases like
Segev's under wraps, reports about
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spies continued to come out.
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Like Omri Goren Gorachovsky.
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arrested in 2021 for dealing with a
group of hackers linked to Iran called
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Shadow. He worked as housekeeper for
then -Defense Minister Benny Gantz,
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information about Gantz and to install
malware on his computer, all for a mere
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,000 US dollars.
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It was another blow to Shin Bet,
especially when it emerged that Gorin
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long criminal record, including
robberies.
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and had never been properly vetted
before going to work for Benny Gantz.
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All the cases that you have mentioned,
Omri Goren, Goren Segev, and
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others, are really not worth, they
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didn't make any harm.
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No, Omri is not serious.
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I don't think this is the case that he
was recruited by the Iranians.
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But even if Omri Goran and Gonan Segev
were, as it were, not serious, October
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7th definitely was.
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Spying had been a crucial activity on
both sides of the Israeli -Palestinian
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conflict for decades.
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But by any standard, the Hamas -led
attack on southern Israel on the 7th of
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October 2023 was the biggest security
breach in Israel's history.
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What happened that day was unprecedented
and led to an even more violent Israeli
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response. It also raised serious
questions about Israeli intelligence.
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Six months later, military intelligence
director Aharon Haliva resigned.
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His resignation letter included a
request to set up an investigation to
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accurate answers as to what happened on
October 7th.
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It's not just an attack, it's invasion.
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We didn't think that the Hamas could
invade to Israel.
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It's unbelievable that 50 years and one
day after Yom Kippur War, something
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quite similar happened to us as well.
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The failure of the intelligence here is
worse than in 1973, and it's not just
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the intelligence, also the forces, the
IDF forces who were on the border.
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We're not prepared.
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In my opinion, there was a collection of
information about the goal of the
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Hamas movement. And this is not an
imagination. They didn't put the plan
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they don't know what's in front of them.
They put the plan and they don't know
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what's in front of them. And this is the
result of multiple means to collect
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information about the desired goal.
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The October 7th attack by Hamas was a
great humiliation.
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Israel was surprised.
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Israel was complacent. Israel was
arrogant. And when I say Israel, it's
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to the bottom. It's from the prime
minister, the government, the military,
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chief of staff, the head of the Shin Bet
and the Shin Bet.
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All of them are rightly accused of this
intelligence failure.
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So that's what happened on October the
7th. In that sense, it can be compared
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the Israeli failure before the 73 war.
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It's a failure that we will have to
interrogate. I don't think that it's
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of treason. And those who were the
chiefs
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of the army, of the intelligence, will
have to go home.
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That's it.
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After October 7th, there were reports
about Israelis being recruited by
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agents.
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In September 2024,
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the security services arrested Israeli
businessman Moti Maman.
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They accused him of involvement in
assassination attempts plotted by Iran
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prominent Israeli figures.
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Maman had asked the Iranians for a
million dollars.
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Then, in October 2024, the authorities
arrested a network of Israeli citizens
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they suspected of spying for Iran.
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They were accused of taking photographs
and collecting information on highly
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sensitive bases and facilities.
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are trying to penetrate into Israeli
army, Israeli
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security agencies. We have spotted
several times
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trials of the Iranians to recruit
Israeli
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citizens, but there wasn't a big
success.
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are not isolated events.
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They've taken place in a system that
believes it can know and control
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everything, that its power, technology,
and alliances will always be enough.
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In the war between the U .S. and Israel
and Iran, intelligence agencies use the
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language of threat and risk, which has
brought the whole of the Middle East to
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the brink of catastrophe.
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History suggests that no side can bomb
or spy its way out of a conflict, that
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security cannot be built on fear alone,
and that ignoring the rights and lives
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of ordinary people, Israeli,
Palestinian, Iranian, Lebanese, and many
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will continue to create the very threat
that intelligence services aim to
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prevent.
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