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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,400 Smart contracts can be used to transfer rent payments to an investor on a pro 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,220 rata basis as soon as the rent has been received. 3 00:00:07,740 --> 00:00:12,160 Or a smart contract automatically initiates payments as soon as certain 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,040 milestones are reached in a project. 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,540 The interesting thing about token is you could say it's a smart contract that is 6 00:00:19,540 --> 00:00:20,600 registered on a blockchain. 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,680 But in the end, we talk about programmable values. 8 00:00:23,940 --> 00:00:27,620 I don't want to say money here because there might be a difference between 9 00:00:27,620 --> 00:00:28,640 and its regulation. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,340 and transferable values but it will be very important for example if we think 11 00:00:34,340 --> 00:00:39,240 about sustainability that we not only introduce a new digital asset but that 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:46,140 generates impact so we need to add meaning to a certain nominal factor and 13 00:00:46,140 --> 00:00:51,160 this will be i think the most relevant aspect of tokenization that we create 14 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:54,080 digital units for whatever underlying asset 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:59,520 but that we can optimize its use, we can incentivize certain behaviors. 16 00:01:02,020 --> 00:01:05,459 Investment in tokenized real estate represents one of the most recent 17 00:01:05,459 --> 00:01:07,100 advancements in the property industry. 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,220 Tokenization enables houses and apartments to be divided and sold in 19 00:01:12,220 --> 00:01:13,220 smaller units. 20 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:21,760 Small programs act like a bridge between the property and an online trading 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,320 platform. Hence, tokens create a digital representation of a property 22 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:32,560 facilitating its digital transfer many 23 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,600 potential investors are either unwilling to enter this market on a large scale 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,340 or unable to do so due to factors such as lack of equity or difficulties in 25 00:01:42,340 --> 00:01:47,260 obtaining debt financing The concept of tokenization offers a significant 26 00:01:47,260 --> 00:01:52,080 advantage by enabling the smallest unit of investment to be acquired at a much 27 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,080 lower threshold. 28 00:01:59,540 --> 00:02:04,560 For instance, a flat owner could split a property worth 100 ,000 Euro into 1 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,559 ,000 tokens. 30 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:10,600 Each token would be valued at 100 Euros, representing a small portion of the 31 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:11,600 flat. 32 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,740 Investors would then hold the rights to a particular percentage of rental income 33 00:02:16,740 --> 00:02:17,740 with each token. 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,740 After deducting costs like property tax, repairs and insurance, investors stand 35 00:02:23,740 --> 00:02:28,440 to profit as the apartment increases in value over time and rental income grows. 36 00:02:30,540 --> 00:02:37,380 Another benefit of tokenization is the ability to convert the individual tokens 37 00:02:37,380 --> 00:02:40,680 anytime, 24x7 via apps or trading platforms. 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,200 Furthermore, the need to visit a notary and have the property or share notarized 39 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,200 before purchasing is eliminated. 40 00:02:56,340 --> 00:02:59,820 Purchasers can efficiently manage their tokens through a mobile wallet 41 00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:04,580 application. The app's features may vary depending on its design, allowing users 42 00:03:04,580 --> 00:03:08,920 to track their incoming payments, monitor token value fluctuations via 43 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:11,180 displays, and sell tokens through their smartphones. 44 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,380 Real estate tokens follow similar regulations to securities and do not 45 00:03:18,380 --> 00:03:20,720 physical ownership of the underlying property. 46 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:26,120 Essentially, a real estate token functions as a loan that the provider 47 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,120 for property financing. 48 00:03:29,070 --> 00:03:33,590 The loan's interest is covered by the rental income, which poses a risk of 49 00:03:33,870 --> 00:03:38,310 The possibility of rent defaults, and in extreme cases, the provider's 50 00:03:38,310 --> 00:03:42,770 insolvency, increases this risk as compared to investing through a property 51 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:45,930 fund, which is usually diversified across many properties. 52 00:03:48,850 --> 00:03:53,410 In Germany, such a scenario isn't yet to be realized due to the absence of a 53 00:03:53,410 --> 00:03:57,310 regulatory framework that facilitates the scrutinization of property rights 54 00:03:57,310 --> 00:03:59,210 associated with land and real estate. 55 00:04:02,270 --> 00:04:06,110 The process of purchasing a property is still associated with significant 56 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:09,770 bureaucracy, lengthy procedures, and subsequent high costs. 57 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:21,600 Digital art projects were the first to bring tokenization to public attention. 58 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,200 With this assistance of non -fungible tokens, digital art pieces are typically 59 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,100 secured as a whole in the blockchain. 60 00:04:28,660 --> 00:04:35,000 In March 2021, American artist Beeple sold a digital collage comprising 5 ,000 61 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:41,060 individual images for an extraordinary $69 .35 million at an auction. 62 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,460 A single tweet by Jack Dorsey, founder of Twitter, was purchased by a fan for 63 00:04:46,460 --> 00:04:49,540 impressive sum of 2 .9 million US dollars. 64 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:54,800 My name is Everfresh, also known as Sebastian Pfeiffer, so that's my real 65 00:04:54,900 --> 00:05:00,540 We are not going to see anything like we've seen in 2021, so that ship has 66 00:05:00,540 --> 00:05:03,400 sailed. My hope actually is that... 67 00:05:04,460 --> 00:05:10,600 The market will reach a more mature state where price levels are reasonable 68 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:17,080 and artists can actually live off their art sales in that 69 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,080 digital space. 70 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,180 It's never going to be everyone, that's clear. 71 00:05:22,950 --> 00:05:24,790 You know, that's not how it works. 72 00:05:25,090 --> 00:05:29,510 So it's always just going to be a few that will be able to make a living out 73 00:05:29,510 --> 00:05:33,990 it. If you look at the sheer number, the people collecting crypto is growing and 74 00:05:33,990 --> 00:05:34,829 growing and growing. 75 00:05:34,830 --> 00:05:36,970 My name is Sergio Roberto Schmolt. 76 00:05:37,270 --> 00:05:42,150 I'm the founder and CEO of Magal. Magal stands for Meta Art Gallery. 77 00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:47,750 There is, of course, the 2021 January bubble where you had a crypto art NFT 78 00:05:47,750 --> 00:05:50,890 market explosion with 14 ,000%. 79 00:05:51,340 --> 00:05:55,520 If you have such a high increase, you fall down very, very briefly. 80 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,860 So what we are doing right now, we are trying to get a new base level. And from 81 00:05:59,860 --> 00:06:03,820 that level, we can progress together with crypto, together with Bitcoin, 82 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,600 together with everything that is behind it. 83 00:06:10,840 --> 00:06:13,400 allowing for international investment in the art industry. 84 00:06:13,620 --> 00:06:19,140 Twitter is the main platform to promote your stuff in the NFT world. 85 00:06:19,540 --> 00:06:25,940 You can also use other social media platforms, but Twitter is by far the one 86 00:06:25,940 --> 00:06:26,940 with the most impact. 87 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,740 I reach my audience mainly through Twitter. Of course, I promote my work on 88 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:36,940 other social media platforms as well. But I've not noticed any correlation 89 00:06:36,940 --> 00:06:40,640 directly to sales through other platforms than Twitter. 90 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,080 I would say the biggest trend right now is the thing that we are doing, coming 91 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,760 from the metaverse and coming into in real life. So you can only feel crypto 92 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,960 if you can touch it, if you can see it, like here on our screen. 93 00:06:55,770 --> 00:06:58,330 And this is the step that a gallerist needs to do. 94 00:07:00,010 --> 00:07:03,850 With the help of non -fungible tokens, digital works of art are usually 95 00:07:03,850 --> 00:07:05,830 scrutinized as a whole in the blockchain. 96 00:07:06,270 --> 00:07:11,470 Even if an artist generates multiple NFTs of the exact same image, each one 97 00:07:11,470 --> 00:07:13,250 a unique identity on the blockchain. 98 00:07:18,969 --> 00:07:21,590 And that means these tokens are essentially unique. 99 00:07:21,830 --> 00:07:25,610 We can illustrate this concept by considering a one -euro coin. 100 00:07:26,210 --> 00:07:30,490 When we hold this coin in our hand, we do not distinguish it from any other one 101 00:07:30,490 --> 00:07:33,190 -euro coin as they have identical purchasing power. 102 00:07:33,990 --> 00:07:36,390 Such coins are referred to as fungible. 103 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,320 The same principle applies to securities such as BMW shares. 104 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,760 We do not differentiate between individual shares as they are fungible. 105 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,500 The BMW share represents identical voting rights and values. 106 00:07:49,820 --> 00:07:56,020 Non -fungible tokens, NFTs, can be likened to artworks such as owning a 107 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:58,080 Picasso painting or the Mona Lisa. 108 00:07:59,540 --> 00:08:03,900 While forgeries may exist, the genuine Mona Lisa is one -of -a -kind and non 109 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:06,600 -fungible with no other exact copies. 110 00:08:07,540 --> 00:08:12,080 Art also employs the concept of limited edition prints where a photo may have, 111 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,680 for instance, only 100 copies, each with a unique number. 112 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:25,610 These numbered prints belong to a specific series, although numerous 113 00:08:25,610 --> 00:08:26,610 be used. 114 00:08:26,910 --> 00:08:31,530 The idea is for each token to be exclusively identified, but on the other 115 00:08:31,570 --> 00:08:35,630 fungible security tokens are identical and can be exchanged for each other. 116 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,420 It's not because you call something an NFT that it won't be under MICA. So they 117 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:57,860 really are mentioning that if something is issued in a large series, it's an 118 00:08:57,860 --> 00:08:59,080 indicator of defungibility. 119 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,220 So then it doesn't necessarily mean it will be an NFT. 120 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:07,200 But again, what is a large series? We don't know yet. So we hope we'll have 121 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,780 clarification down the road. But those little things, we can play with words 122 00:09:11,780 --> 00:09:14,100 don't know, especially that the technology evolves. 123 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,760 so quickly most nft sales are actually auctions they're not auctions in a 124 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:25,020 classical sense uh where there's you know like a guy with a hammer but it it 125 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:30,700 just um you usually put your your pr your piece on a platform uh with a with 126 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:37,380 reserve and once the reserve is met um then there's like uh you can define that 127 00:09:37,380 --> 00:09:41,520 how long the auction goes but usually it's like a 24 -hour auction 128 00:09:42,250 --> 00:09:47,390 And then the timer starts, and it runs for 24 hours, and then it depends if 129 00:09:47,390 --> 00:09:51,610 other people put in their bids as well, if the price goes up or not. 130 00:09:51,890 --> 00:09:58,550 Most platforms take between 5 % and 15%. Some also take 131 00:09:58,550 --> 00:10:05,490 20%. Most take between 5 % and 15%. For artists themselves, 132 00:10:05,910 --> 00:10:09,730 tokenization could also be an exciting vehicle for the sale of their works. 133 00:10:12,980 --> 00:10:17,260 Theoretically, the artists can even offer themselves to investors as an 134 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:18,260 investment. 135 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:22,600 If their value increases, investors will benefit. 136 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:28,720 On the other hand, the artists generate a regular additional income. 137 00:10:39,359 --> 00:10:44,000 The art market remains considerably unclear, necessitating a thorough 138 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,300 of the players, the influencing factors, the dynamics of the market in order to 139 00:10:48,300 --> 00:10:50,380 be competitive when buying works of art. 140 00:10:52,500 --> 00:10:59,360 Our collection of works from the top 100 artists is usually unavailable 141 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:00,360 at local galleries. 142 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:03,680 but it's sourced from the leading international galleries without access. 143 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,260 Artworks become either unobtainable or extremely expensive due to multiple 144 00:11:08,260 --> 00:11:10,700 flows, each resulting in price increases. 145 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:23,500 Fractional ownership of an asset is represented in the field of art via so 146 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:28,620 -called art security tokens or AACs. These are digital assets that correspond 147 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:29,660 a part of a work of art. 148 00:11:35,020 --> 00:11:36,020 Previously, 149 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:42,380 this market was exclusive to the super -rich due to the exorbitant prices of 150 00:11:42,380 --> 00:11:46,020 art. Prices are often in the millions, which food can afford. 151 00:11:46,220 --> 00:11:51,420 But our trade is changing that. We possess a meticulous network of art 152 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:54,220 who identify appealing works on your behalf. 153 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,700 The entire process involves a complex data analysis procedure. 154 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:05,300 the relevant information, as each artwork is assigned a single digital 155 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,760 which comes in the form of a security token. 156 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:17,300 The value of one token corresponds to one euro of the artwork's view value. 157 00:12:17,980 --> 00:12:22,800 In essence, this is a fully regulated digital security as per the new 158 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:23,800 Securities Act. 159 00:12:32,129 --> 00:12:37,270 This allows us to treat the token and its securities similarly to other 160 00:12:37,270 --> 00:12:41,690 conventional securities, ultimately facilitating their integration into the 161 00:12:41,690 --> 00:12:43,290 financial industry's infrastructure. 162 00:12:48,790 --> 00:12:53,100 Thanks to their assistance Anyone can now invest in works of art that would 163 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:56,780 typically be excluded from an average investor's portfolio under normal 164 00:12:56,780 --> 00:12:57,780 circumstances. 165 00:12:59,060 --> 00:13:03,920 You can invest in these works of art indirectly with as little as 1 ,000 166 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,500 by purchasing these tokens. 167 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:11,000 This ensures that our enthusiasts with smaller budgets can engage in 168 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 art projects. 169 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,040 Even the old masters can now be found on the blockchain. 170 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:24,340 Just recently, Pablo Picasso's masterpiece, Fier Obere, was tokenized 171 00:13:24,340 --> 00:13:25,340 blockchain. 172 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:31,720 A Ruach -based crypto bank is responsible, which dismantled the oil 173 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,720 into 4 ,000 of the art tokens and sold them for 1 ,000 Swiss francs each. 174 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,020 For this purpose, the tokens were in turn converted into blockchain -based 175 00:13:42,020 --> 00:13:46,200 securities, which represent an undisputed legal claim to the unique 176 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,500 from 1964 in Switzerland. 177 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:58,230 As an investor, you do not acquire a piece of the artwork itself, but rather 178 00:13:58,230 --> 00:14:01,070 scrutinized claim to participate in its performance. 179 00:14:01,550 --> 00:14:06,310 We made a conscious choice to avoid fractional ownership and instead offer a 180 00:14:06,310 --> 00:14:10,670 security as it aligns with a traditional investment product and can seamlessly 181 00:14:10,670 --> 00:14:12,590 integrate into the financial system. 182 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:23,010 When works are traded on a secondary market, often after a prior purchase, 183 00:14:23,010 --> 00:14:26,070 artists typically do not participate further. 184 00:14:27,150 --> 00:14:31,970 However, we aim to expand this model in the long term by exploring the potential 185 00:14:31,970 --> 00:14:34,350 of structuring tokens in smart contracts. 186 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:38,430 Currently, the concept remains uncertain. 187 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,660 This would allow the artists to maintain a permanent stake in the value 188 00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:48,680 development of their artwork to a percentage of ownership. 189 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,160 I see a very bright future when I look at my kids, the things they collect, 190 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:57,840 Fortnite skins or some digital weapon for a game. 191 00:14:58,140 --> 00:15:04,800 This kind of collection feeling is parallel to crypto art collection. 192 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,280 So people will not hang a Picasso. 193 00:15:08,970 --> 00:15:12,970 in oil painting on their wall my kids will not do it they will collect other 194 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:19,730 and this may be the art that they are collecting funding 195 00:15:19,730 --> 00:15:24,470 for major art galleries museums collections and artwork storage 196 00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:29,970 also benefit from tokenization in the near future because they invest huge 197 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:36,190 in the protection of their artworks theft vandalism preventing this cost 198 00:15:36,910 --> 00:15:38,710 money that museums don't have. 199 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:43,150 The entrance fees and funding pots are often not enough to expand the 200 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:44,150 collections. 201 00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:48,850 Tokenizations could help them gain this liquidity. It could make the collection 202 00:15:48,850 --> 00:15:52,870 or a selected part of it available to investors who make a profit from an 203 00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:54,890 increase in the value of the artworks. 204 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,200 A stock is a security issue by a company. 205 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,700 Depending on the type of share, this can be a claim to a portion of the profits, 206 00:16:13,900 --> 00:16:15,060 dividends, or a say. 207 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,620 Companies issue shares to raise additional funds for their business's 208 00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:21,620 development. 209 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,340 But despite digitalization, trading in shares remains inefficient in many 210 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:27,340 places. 211 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:31,520 If you want to invest in stocks, you have to buy a whole share. 212 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,300 However, the shares of large companies often cost over $1 ,000. 213 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,160 This limits the circle of those who can afford it. 214 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,600 And even if you secure a fraction of the large companies, this automatically 215 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,140 eliminates the possibility of diversifying your portfolio by investing 216 00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:50,140 multiple stocks. 217 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,360 My name is Philip Piper. I'm the founder of Swarm. 218 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:03,240 We are a tokenization platform that does both primary issuance as well as 219 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,219 secondary trading. 220 00:17:04,220 --> 00:17:08,780 In the past two years, there's been obviously a very high degree of focus on 221 00:17:08,780 --> 00:17:14,000 crypto assets. So basically, you know, Bitcoin and derivatives of Bitcoin as 222 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,339 well as sort of other native assets that were on sort of the blockchain like 223 00:17:17,339 --> 00:17:18,339 Ethereum. 224 00:17:18,740 --> 00:17:22,859 But it's been shown, obviously, that there's a very high degree of 225 00:17:22,859 --> 00:17:24,359 amongst all these assets. 226 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:27,859 So if the market goes up, everything goes up. If the market goes down and 227 00:17:27,859 --> 00:17:29,360 crashes down, everything goes down. 228 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:34,160 So in that world, there is a need to actually have something called real 229 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,880 assets replicated onto chain, which actually derive the value of what they 230 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:43,020 from the underlying asset that is connected with that kind of digital 231 00:17:43,660 --> 00:17:46,720 So a good example of that is basically a stablecoin. 232 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,600 Tokenization makes it possible to buy fractional shares of these large 233 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,020 companies. Instead of buying an entire share, you can only buy a portion of a 234 00:17:58,020 --> 00:18:00,380 share and thus generate a proportionate return. 235 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,260 This transformation is already reshaping global investment. 236 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,280 BlackRock, the world's largest asset manager, has taken its first steps by 237 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,580 launching Bitcoin and tokenized ETFs. And today the fixed income markets are 238 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:18,100 totally imbued. 239 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:24,680 By ETFs. And so at BlackRock, when we bought BGI, we had $290 billion of ETFs. 240 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,240 Today we have $3 .5 trillion. 241 00:18:27,340 --> 00:18:34,260 And then this week alone, just yesterday, we launched the 242 00:18:34,260 --> 00:18:36,220 iShares Bitcoin ETF. 243 00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:42,440 And so I would say to you, if we could ETF a Bitcoin, imagine what we could do 244 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,120 with all financial instruments. 245 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,420 Tokenization is used to create digital images of securities. 246 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,180 that have already been issued. 247 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,120 This is referred to as a token derivative. 248 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,620 These are scrutinized in the blockchain and thus embedded in a more flexible 249 00:18:56,620 --> 00:19:01,460 infrastructure. So in principle, you get a normal stock, but with the advantage 250 00:19:01,460 --> 00:19:02,460 of cryptocurrency. 251 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,300 The price of the tokenized share is always equal to the share price of the 252 00:19:11,300 --> 00:19:12,299 issuing company. 253 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:15,240 Not everything recorded on -chain represents full ownership. 254 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,280 Some tokens are only wrappers. 255 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:19,710 price exposure without voting or dividend rights. 256 00:19:47,530 --> 00:19:51,370 you know, equity from a company. If the value of the deposited share doubles, 257 00:19:51,610 --> 00:19:54,030 the value of the tokenized share also doubles. 258 00:19:54,350 --> 00:19:58,670 The price action is analyzed in a similar way to stocks, not like 259 00:19:58,670 --> 00:19:59,670 cryptocurrencies. 260 00:20:01,290 --> 00:20:07,830 So stablecoin is effectively a token that represents maybe a dollar. So one 261 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:11,310 token equals one dollar. You should actually have the ability to put 262 00:20:11,310 --> 00:20:14,590 that has value, anything that has some kind of substance. 263 00:20:15,580 --> 00:20:19,600 onto the blockchain, into the trading environments, into the ability to 264 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:25,180 fractionalize and mobilize these assets, there's a very large realm of different 265 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:29,660 asset qualities that you can gain by putting them as a digital asset onto the 266 00:20:29,660 --> 00:20:34,020 chain. So if you have one Apple stock that is represented in one token, well, 267 00:20:34,060 --> 00:20:38,600 you can buy a cent of an Apple stock if you want to, right? 268 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,480 That you cannot do in the traditional market. 269 00:20:43,870 --> 00:20:47,850 Tokenization significantly reduces the barriers to entry into the new financial 270 00:20:47,850 --> 00:20:52,030 market. The vast majority of all companies worldwide are currently 271 00:20:52,030 --> 00:20:55,890 companies. The derivative product that probably mimics some of that, but it's 272 00:20:55,890 --> 00:20:56,890 not the degree of flexibility. 273 00:20:57,210 --> 00:21:00,890 The second thing is that you actually have an immediate settlement. 274 00:21:01,210 --> 00:21:05,490 So if I go on to some kind of exchange, some kind of decentralized exchange, 275 00:21:05,630 --> 00:21:09,890 some kind of trading venue, and you and I agree on a price, 276 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:14,680 Actually, by executing on the blockchain, immediately the transfer of 277 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,680 ownership to you has been executed. 278 00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:20,820 Normally in the financial markets, that takes two to three days to settle. From 279 00:21:20,820 --> 00:21:23,600 a regular player perspective, the United States is also in a unique position 280 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,600 because of the dollar. 281 00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:26,960 So the dollar is... 282 00:21:28,380 --> 00:21:31,680 They famously once said that the dollar is the United States currency, but 283 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:32,680 everyone else's problem. 284 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:37,240 But really, I don't fully buy that argument. I think that the dollar is 285 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,220 United States' problem now because you have jurisdictions in other parts of the 286 00:21:40,220 --> 00:21:45,160 world that are essentially creating regulation for digital U .S. dollars in 287 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,620 future. And none of this is coming from the U .S. yet. 288 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,480 So, you know, regulating stable coins is one of the lower hanging fruit that 289 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,139 they could... 290 00:21:54,140 --> 00:21:57,960 that they could tackle in terms of, you know, reasserting this position of 291 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,740 dollar hegemony. And this is not a position that Europe has to the same 292 00:22:01,980 --> 00:22:06,020 I mean, you know, the U .S. dollar still makes up somewhere around like 60 % of 293 00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:10,600 global reserve. The United States political system is also, by design, an 294 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,600 invitation to struggle. 295 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,040 It has been since the Declaration of Independence. 296 00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:18,100 So you always have to, when you're looking at the U .S., you always have to 297 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:19,100 think of this. 298 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,960 The tokenized share starts to build a bridge between traditional stock 299 00:22:23,220 --> 00:22:27,260 such as Extra or the Frankfurt Stock Exchange, and a crypto exchange, such as 300 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:30,560 Binance. Institutional adoption now is a recognizable name. 301 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,760 Global asset managers are already entering the tokenized economy. 302 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,300 Our customers are the largest asset managers in the world, like BlackRock 303 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:40,840 Apollo and Hamilton Lane, KKR, etc. 304 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:44,680 And that gives us a competitive advantage that now that there's further 305 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,180 regulatory clarity, we'll... 306 00:22:46,570 --> 00:22:49,930 you know probably ensure that we continue leading the industry as we've 307 00:22:49,930 --> 00:22:53,290 doing it for the last few years depending on the network and crypto 308 00:22:53,290 --> 00:23:00,270 token transactions can be processed in a matter of minutes if you have 309 00:23:00,270 --> 00:23:06,610 the ability to trade on a 24 7 basis without any kind of stoppage of the 310 00:23:06,610 --> 00:23:11,290 it's a it's a it's a benefit it actually means real money for people if you can 311 00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:15,690 attach governance processes to these technical things it is a benefit because 312 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:19,630 you have a much more real -time interaction with the way that the asset 313 00:23:19,630 --> 00:23:20,970 below can actually transact. 314 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:26,270 But even more so if you actually then have the confidence, which means that 315 00:23:26,270 --> 00:23:31,830 have some data that is connected with the token that points to where it 316 00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:36,130 goes and what it represents and the live data reporting what it actually has in 317 00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:40,890 terms of values, then suddenly you're not reliant on a quarterly report, but 318 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:42,090 have a real -time view on it. 319 00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:47,190 As smart contracts perform, buy and sell orders of tokens on a blockchain, 320 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:51,650 there's no longer need to rely on a broker or banker as an intermediary. 321 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:58,050 So I would say that broadly those would be some of the aspects where 322 00:23:58,050 --> 00:24:00,850 tokenization will transform the financial industry. 323 00:24:01,190 --> 00:24:04,890 Whether or not you buy that there will be a complete removal of intermediaries, 324 00:24:04,890 --> 00:24:09,690 it will certainly limit the role of intermediaries or diminish the frequency 325 00:24:09,690 --> 00:24:11,690 intermediaries in certain financial transactions. 326 00:24:12,270 --> 00:24:17,130 In the world of tokenization, in the end, it all represents something that 327 00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:21,210 some kind of resemblance in real life. So there's a trust element that needs to 328 00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:25,570 be created, which also means that if the token gets lost, it really depends on 329 00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:29,810 how you set it up, you can actually sort of then make sure that it's either 330 00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:36,190 respecting who the real owner is, or basically gets redistributed back to the 331 00:24:36,190 --> 00:24:37,169 original owner. 332 00:24:37,170 --> 00:24:38,890 It's just an efficiency technology. 333 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:44,140 The sale the company shares is bureaucratic, takes a long time, and 334 00:24:44,140 --> 00:24:45,140 many actors. 335 00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:52,520 We need to unite the technical possibilities in this traditional world. 336 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,460 latter insists on maintaining the status quo as it has proven stable over the 337 00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:57,460 last few decades. 338 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,640 There are stakeholders who profit from this naturally, and conversely, the DEFI 339 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,880 and crypto community advocates for self -determination in every aspect. 340 00:25:07,420 --> 00:25:12,100 However, the reality likely lies somewhere between these extremes and we 341 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,100 construct accordingly. 342 00:25:16,180 --> 00:25:18,420 Investors do not have access to these companies. 343 00:25:18,900 --> 00:25:22,920 Investments in these companies are mainly made by financial institutions in 344 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,860 form of expensive loans or equity funds. 345 00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:27,560 The market, therefore, has a minimal liquidity. 346 00:25:28,340 --> 00:25:33,600 Yes, I think it will affect more the B2B space because for us as end users, we 347 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,280 are interested in usability and, of course, in trust. 348 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,720 but we're not necessarily interested if a banking or fintech app is using 349 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,040 technology A or technology B, especially if we talk about mass adoption. 350 00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:47,920 Then this should not play a role. 351 00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:49,940 It should be a well -performing app. 352 00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:55,400 When investing, it is almost always for the long term. If the company's 353 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,280 management takes a different direction, investors cannot simply get out. 354 00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,560 They then try to influence the management of the company. The process 355 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,660 sluggish. Just to think of it as... 356 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,440 well, it's an open system and therefore everyone has access, that's also not 357 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,840 entirely true. It means that depending how you set up the system... 358 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,740 And that very much depends on what asset it represents. 359 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:20,580 You have restrictions that you artificially have to build into the 360 00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:26,040 only a certain type of customer can buy into those specific asset tokens, or 361 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,720 that there's only a certain behavior that is allowed to be executed with the 362 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:35,180 token. So there's very much a technology -enforced restriction. But what it 363 00:26:35,180 --> 00:26:38,340 gives you is actually a much higher degree of confidence from a regulatory 364 00:26:38,340 --> 00:26:41,020 process as well, that because it's code, 365 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,660 And because it's actually enforcing what the code is being told to do, that, you 366 00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:48,040 know, you cannot really bypass it. 367 00:26:48,260 --> 00:26:53,660 We expect tokenization and blockchain technology to play a role to design more 368 00:26:53,660 --> 00:26:56,240 efficient and streamlined processes. 369 00:26:56,460 --> 00:27:01,100 So that's step number one. Then we will potentially tokenize and also use 370 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:05,040 blockchain technology to finance in different ways and to tokenize different 371 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,100 assets. So that's, let's say, a growth aspect. 372 00:27:07,850 --> 00:27:13,610 depending on regulation but also on let's say strategic decisions some fully 373 00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:19,930 automated neo blockchain banks or neo blockchain players on the market we can 374 00:27:19,930 --> 00:27:25,730 expect that new use cases and a whole new set of process designs will see the 375 00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:32,350 day of light so this means a totally new category targeting new use cases that 376 00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:34,330 are not right there available 377 00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:43,010 Discussions regarding the energy industry's future increasingly center 378 00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:44,010 energy tokenization. 379 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:48,290 Renewable energies have grown increasingly popular in our current era. 380 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:52,330 Wind and solar parks continue to attract a growing number of investors. 381 00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:58,790 My name is Eko. I am CEO of Realport. 382 00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:04,630 Decentralization of energy is already there, and it's only going to 383 00:28:04,670 --> 00:28:06,770 I think, the past years. 384 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:14,300 considering the Ukraine war and considering the drive of governments 385 00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:18,820 and our society to become more independent has shown an incredible boom 386 00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:21,260 rooftop solar and decentralized energy. 387 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:29,040 So as not only the companies and supply chains grow more mature, it's going to 388 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:35,700 be even easier for tenants of houses and for owners of houses in order to, 389 00:28:35,780 --> 00:28:37,800 number one, put solar into the roof. 390 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:44,400 And then it's a matter of connecting that amongst the various decentralized 391 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:50,020 hubs, meaning from one roof to another, and into the grid in a smart way. And I 392 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:51,880 do think that technology can play a fantastic. 393 00:28:53,340 --> 00:28:58,040 The energy sector's intricate network is hindered by outdated infrastructure and 394 00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,540 numerous inefficient processes. 395 00:29:00,420 --> 00:29:03,920 Utilizing blockchain can enhance the efficiency of the energy supply. 396 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,220 And efficiency means saving costs. 397 00:29:08,620 --> 00:29:12,700 Saving costs means that you can bring in smaller projects, and smaller projects 398 00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:16,020 also means that you can bring in smaller investors. The biggest advantage is for 399 00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:20,800 the smaller guys, making it more efficient, making access more efficient, 400 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,740 also enabling smaller wind farms in order to participate within the energy 401 00:29:24,740 --> 00:29:25,740 economy. 402 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:32,280 Thanks to its decentralized architecture, it can document and supply 403 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,280 multiple energy producers simultaneously. 404 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,780 which is a much more complex process with a centralized system. 405 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,500 In such systems, every producer has to first send their data to a central 406 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,360 location for bundling and processing. 407 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,060 In a decentralized blockchain network, anyone can feed the data directly. 408 00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:54,480 By means of tokenization, a digital copy of each physical energy unit can be 409 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,600 stored on a blockchain. 410 00:29:55,860 --> 00:30:00,820 This automation of administrative processes can significantly reduce the 411 00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:01,820 energy. 412 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,880 You know, the way we see it, they're two different forms. One form is sharing 413 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,880 the economic performance out of an energy project or out of a renewable 414 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:20,280 project. That means a generator wants to set up a wind farm and needs investors, 415 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,140 right? And will promise essentially the proceeds of this wind farm to be shared 416 00:30:25,140 --> 00:30:26,140 amongst the investors. 417 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:27,420 So now we can... 418 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,700 tokenize essentially the future proceeds of this project with multiple 419 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:35,760 investors. So that's one part. 420 00:30:36,100 --> 00:30:43,100 And the much more difficult part is how do we certify renewable energy through 421 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:48,300 national agencies and make it fungible or tradable in a sense. 422 00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:55,200 Blockchain technology allows for the tracing of energy from the source to the 423 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,200 end consumer. 424 00:30:56,740 --> 00:30:59,540 Certificates can be issued if required for proof of purchase. 425 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,800 This can be a crucial factor, particularly considering the stringent 426 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,120 for renewable energy. 427 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,340 Currently, it is difficult to ascertain whether the energy derives from wind, 428 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,900 solar or another source. 429 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,020 A third party is required to certify the origin and these certificates may be 430 00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:19,540 traded. Greenwashing is facilitated. 431 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,720 legislative and also regulatory aspects around that. Number one is the EU 432 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,920 taxonomy, which nowadays tells us what is green, what is not green. So that 433 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,760 gives guidance to investors and also to the issuers of financial products. 434 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,360 And number two, there is also a self -disclosure regulation called SFDR. 435 00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:48,720 So every publisher or every issuer of financial products will need to self 436 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,800 -assess themselves, whether they are highly sustainable article 9 or not 437 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,160 sustainable basically article 7 and that will give consumers tremendous guidance 438 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,480 as to what is green what is not green so it means the leeway to kind of move 439 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,740 around and kind of greenwash has becoming a whole lot smaller tokenized 440 00:32:09,740 --> 00:32:14,320 certificates can be produced by the supplier providing an indisputable 441 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,220 the energy generated these certificates are securely stored in the blockchain 442 00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:25,010 ensuring that the data cannot be altered governance token 443 00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:30,730 is a specific type of token issued by certain companies often tech companies 444 00:32:30,730 --> 00:32:35,750 so -called decentralized autonomous organizations the governance token 445 00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:39,970 have a certain rights from a technical point of view they're often so -called 446 00:32:39,970 --> 00:32:45,570 erc20 tokens which means that they follow the standard which is also used 447 00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:49,820 many other types tokens But the rights that the owner of this governance token 448 00:32:49,820 --> 00:32:52,760 has may be different from security tokens, for example. 449 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,440 The governance token often scrutinizes voting rights, i .e., you own the 450 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,820 governance tokens, and they are issued by companies. 451 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,280 And if the company wants to change something, if it wants to implement 452 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:09,200 changes, for example, then I have the right to vote, if I hold pieces of these 453 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,200 governance tokens. 454 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,440 This means that not only do I have a monetary incentive to hold this token 455 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,380 maybe hope for a future profit, but I also have a right of co -determination 456 00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:24,720 I can't get involved in communities and my voice is heard based on the number of 457 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:25,720 tokens I hold. 458 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:34,820 Now, the big challenge here lies, how do consumers, be it a business consumer or 459 00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:41,330 even a regular retail consumer, buy into certificated or into certified 460 00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:42,570 renewable energy sources. 461 00:33:42,930 --> 00:33:45,550 And that's where blockchain can provide a huge benefit. 462 00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:50,770 And the vision is that eventually you'll be able to match certificates at the 463 00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:54,510 time of production with consumption at the time when you really need it. 464 00:33:57,410 --> 00:34:01,510 Tokenization makes wind farms or other renewable energy sources much more 465 00:34:01,510 --> 00:34:02,630 accessible to investors. 466 00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:07,670 Investing in a solar park via token will be an established procedure in the near 467 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:11,929 future. The same applies to the purchase of electricity from various energy 468 00:34:11,929 --> 00:34:12,929 sources. 469 00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:19,889 In the field of solar energy, the first energy suppliers have already tokenized 470 00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:20,748 their systems. 471 00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:25,250 In the case of wind turbines, too, there are platforms that bring operators of 472 00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:28,010 the turbines together with companies and private individuals. 473 00:34:31,170 --> 00:34:35,170 Through tokenization, the owners of the tokens become co -owners of a wind 474 00:34:35,170 --> 00:34:39,280 turbine. By selling the electricity, they generate a proportionate return. 475 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,360 But the operators of the plants also benefit. 476 00:34:42,739 --> 00:34:47,280 For them, tokenization is another way to directly collect the capital of the 477 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,540 investment. This gives you a reach and access to high liquidity. 478 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,520 So far, however, energy has mainly been managed centrally. There's still a long 479 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080 way to go before new technology becomes established. 480 00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:04,660 The next step is now connecting neighborhoods. 481 00:35:05,550 --> 00:35:11,950 The same way as larger projects of renewable energies are now participating 482 00:35:11,950 --> 00:35:17,230 entire communities in exchange for the permission of erecting a solar farm or a 483 00:35:17,230 --> 00:35:22,430 wind farm into participating into that, right, into the consumption of the 484 00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:23,650 energy which is being produced. 485 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:29,810 And that will also create communities which will be able to dispatch and to 486 00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:32,170 trade energy amongst themselves. 487 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:35,060 and amongst multiple communities. 488 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,940 So yes, it is on the way. Difficult to say really, right? I think Germany is 489 00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:46,700 probably the largest in Europe, a rooftop solar market in that respect, 490 00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,080 most installations. 491 00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:51,020 But you see this trend everywhere. 492 00:35:51,700 --> 00:35:57,180 You see France has very, very strong regulation and the UK and Italy as well. 493 00:35:57,860 --> 00:36:01,020 I think you must see it as a pan -European move. 494 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:08,040 The calls for sustainability, human rights, or animal welfare have been 495 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,120 louder for years. 496 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:19,880 Society is increasingly demanding products whose origins can be 497 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,760 verified. Supply chain tokenization represents a credible future of product 498 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,680 transparency. The technology will be exciting in view of the newly passed 499 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,880 Chain Due Diligence Act. 500 00:36:35,150 --> 00:36:38,570 It is intended to prove that human rights and environmental due diligence 501 00:36:38,570 --> 00:36:40,550 obligations have not been violated. 502 00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:57,270 Companies will be required to document every step of the supply chain for 503 00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:58,270 authorities and consumers. 504 00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:03,290 Sustainability should thus become comprehensible, verifiable, and visible. 505 00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:08,850 Tokenization makes it possible to track a product along the entire value chain. 506 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:13,650 Using a commercially available smartphone, all relevant information 507 00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:16,010 product is collected and stored in a token. 508 00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:19,230 Any kind of information can be stored via an app. 509 00:37:19,450 --> 00:37:23,730 Every production step and every raw material within the supply chain can be 510 00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:25,570 reliably retrieved at any time. 511 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,400 In this way, global supply chains can be traced seamlessly. 512 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,280 While a supply chain based on blockchain technology can ensure complete 513 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,680 documentation for this reporting, artificial intelligence can help to 514 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,960 corresponding risk analysis. 515 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:49,160 For example, AI can analyze contracts with suppliers for human rights and 516 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,160 environmental standards. 517 00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:54,540 If necessary, this enables the company to quickly adapt the contractual 518 00:37:54,540 --> 00:37:55,680 arrangement with the supplier. 519 00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:00,640 In agriculture, tokenization allows farmers to tokenize their products. 520 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:04,310 This allows international investors to invest in regional agricultural 521 00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:08,390 commodities. In the healthcare sector, the tokenization of medical institutions 522 00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:12,290 help in the use of sensitive data of patients and healthcare organizations. 523 00:38:13,070 --> 00:38:17,610 The logistics industry is also currently working on a concept of tokenization. 524 00:38:17,890 --> 00:38:22,590 Here, the bill of lading is to be transferred to the blockchain and thus 525 00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:23,590 problem of administration. 526 00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:30,280 So that means that we can expect that if tokenization is becoming part of, let's 527 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,000 say, the underlying process setup for financial transactions, that the total 528 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,640 market size will be bigger than today's financial asset market volume. 529 00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:44,000 But, of course, this will not happen overnight. It will happen in different 530 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,240 steps, depending on regulation, on innovation, and on general acceptance. 531 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,220 need democratic discussions about things. We need governments. 532 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,720 So it could take anything between 5 and 20 years and it will have an end step. 533 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,500 But the addressable market size will become bigger. 534 00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,940 Despite the many benefits and its increasing prevalence, blockchain -based 535 00:39:05,940 --> 00:39:08,120 tokenization also has its limitations. 536 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:16,220 A disadvantage that still exists with tokens in general today is the 537 00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:17,560 of the underlying blockchain. 538 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,200 If you wanted to put the entire security businesses that exist worldwide on a 539 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,480 blockchain today in order to tokenize all securities, then the blockchains 540 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,880 not be able to map the transaction volume that is processed there. 541 00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:37,160 This means that the system would simply be overloaded and overwhelmed, and this 542 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,860 is probably one of the main disadvantages of tokens. 543 00:39:40,860 --> 00:39:44,480 So they're not included in the technical standard at all, but rather on the 544 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,400 underlying platforms, namely the blockchains on which these tokens exist. 545 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,860 There's a risk of hackers accessing and stealing the digital assets. 546 00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:58,360 Blockchain technology itself is considered to be very secure. 547 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,340 Despite this, there have been cases of successful hacker attacks on crypto 548 00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:05,780 exchanges and other blockchain -based systems. 549 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,900 As a rule, the attackers did not gain access via the blockchain itself, but 550 00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:12,840 the points where the blockchain is connected. 551 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,760 There is therefore a need to develop a comprehensive and reliable cybercrime 552 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:18,760 protection system. 553 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,680 I think Mika is a great first step. 554 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:32,100 If you can think of a global regulatory waterfall that trickles down, I would 555 00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:35,740 say that Europe is kind of sitting at the top, at the crest of this waterfall. 556 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:40,700 Banks 557 00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:48,820 have 558 00:40:48,820 --> 00:40:50,660 traditionally acted as asset managers. 559 00:40:51,290 --> 00:40:55,110 They aim to broaden their range of service and provide customers with the 560 00:40:55,110 --> 00:40:56,630 expensive possible choice. 561 00:40:57,450 --> 00:41:01,470 As a result, they have begun to investigate the tokenization of assets. 562 00:41:01,710 --> 00:41:02,710 Is this the end of mutual funds? 563 00:41:03,670 --> 00:41:09,750 I think, well, a lot of people, it's just a wrapper. It's not the end of it, 564 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:15,970 I would say the dominant form of bringing products going forward will be 565 00:41:15,970 --> 00:41:17,650 form of ETFs. 566 00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:22,870 For Fink, tokenization is not a disruption that destroys the old world. 567 00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:27,030 next natural layer of it. A system where traditional and digital finance merge 568 00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:28,430 into one continuous structure. 569 00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:33,430 It's possible that in the future, banks may oversee the issuance and trading of 570 00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:34,430 tokenized assets. 571 00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:42,130 Fintech has become one of the fastest growing industries in recent times. 572 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,240 So one area where there is currently a lot of innovation in tokens is the so 573 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:53,460 -called payment processing. 574 00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:58,840 You can also take the security tokens as an example. A bond, for example, pays a 575 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,520 regular coupon, perhaps a certain interest rate once a year, to those who 576 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:04,348 that bond. 577 00:42:04,350 --> 00:42:08,450 You can equip the token with so much information that it knows the amount of 578 00:42:08,450 --> 00:42:12,470 interest coupon and automatically collects the interest amount from the 579 00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:15,310 and then automatically distribute it to investors. 580 00:42:16,510 --> 00:42:20,450 In the traditional world, in the banking world, there is the so -called paying 581 00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:25,270 agent. So when a company issues a bond, there is a bank that is designated as 582 00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:29,650 the paying agent and then ensures that the issuer pays its interest on time and 583 00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:30,950 distributes it to the investors. 584 00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:33,750 And this can be automated by program code. 585 00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:38,580 also by so -called smart contracts, and this information can be given to the 586 00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:39,580 token. 587 00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:46,060 Talking about the ecological impact of blockchains, I think, is a big deal. 588 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:50,780 But we as an industry have to ask ourselves what's right and wrong, right? 589 00:42:50,780 --> 00:42:54,140 of people from looking at it from the outside then think that all that energy 590 00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:58,140 the same energy mix as the energy that goes into our daily consumption. 591 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,420 And as much as that was the case, it's changed dramatically. 592 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:08,060 So there's a lot of regenerative energies that have been started to be 593 00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:12,380 hydro energy, wind energy, but also solar energy, that basically go into 594 00:43:12,380 --> 00:43:19,300 node computations. And this is energy that never has been used in a consumer's 595 00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:23,700 perspective. So it's not competing against the energy that you and I use in 596 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:24,618 daily lives. 597 00:43:24,620 --> 00:43:29,020 more than 60 right now is already regenerative energy that the bitcoin 598 00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:35,340 actually uses and the rest is still something to work on in particular 599 00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:39,860 financing by tokens has the chance to drastically change the global economy in 600 00:43:39,860 --> 00:43:44,580 the future companies will be able to map real assets online and finance them in 601 00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:48,880 a decentralized manner existing financial services are being replaced by 602 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:49,920 decentralized solutions 603 00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:57,000 And I think that in the future, what we're likely going to see is on the side 604 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,020 payments and crypto and, you know, we'll have different digital currency areas. 605 00:44:01,240 --> 00:44:07,100 So you could have stable coins and commercial bank money tokens and 606 00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:10,480 kinds of PDDCs. And these will all exist in cash. 607 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,320 So all exist in some, you know, as Germans say, in some mix together. 608 00:44:15,980 --> 00:44:18,920 And I don't think that one will necessarily crowd out the other. 609 00:44:19,470 --> 00:44:25,690 On the other hand, I also believe that a lot of why we see an interest in 610 00:44:25,690 --> 00:44:31,230 crypto, and I think globally, about like 23 % of people globally hold crypto. In 611 00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:33,990 Europe, I think the average is around 17. So we're still on the lower side 612 00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:35,430 compared to the global average, but it's growing. 613 00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:38,770 And I think it's confidence, right? So if people don't have confidence in the 614 00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:40,230 system, they look for alternatives. 615 00:44:40,890 --> 00:44:44,930 And I think that the challenge from a political perspective for the 616 00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:49,590 of the nation states is how do we instill confidence in our systems in an 617 00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:50,448 digital transformation? 618 00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:51,750 And there's no easy answer to that question. 619 00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:56,250 And I think that at the same time, it might be a little naive to assume that 620 00:44:56,250 --> 00:45:01,330 crypto can solve all of the world's problems. So I would say that we need 621 00:45:01,330 --> 00:45:04,790 sort of tempered optimism, right, or tailored optimism. 622 00:45:07,790 --> 00:45:11,850 There is currently still a lack of standardization of the network. In 623 00:45:12,090 --> 00:45:16,270 legal standards must be developed to provide companies and investors alike 624 00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:17,530 clarity and thus security. 625 00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:22,550 We can already see the effects on our society today. The technology has 626 00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:24,350 arrived in the here and now. 627 00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,800 At the edge of the world, in a country with more sheep than people, one of the 628 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,660 most powerful men in Silicon Valley built an escape hatch. 629 00:47:05,100 --> 00:47:10,860 Not a vacation home, not a tax shelter, a contingency plan. 630 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:19,540 In 2011, a billionaire quietly secured citizenship in New Zealand after 631 00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:21,020 just days in the country. 632 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,060 A legal backdoor. 633 00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:25,310 a geopolitical lifeboat. 634 00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:31,570 Deep in the rugged terrain of New Zealand's South Island, Peter Thiel owns 635 00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:37,250 vast private estate, remote, secluded, and far from the centres of power. 636 00:47:38,350 --> 00:47:43,870 While most billionaires buy yachts or private islands, Thiel secures something 637 00:47:43,870 --> 00:47:50,790 more strategic, New Zealand citizenship, and a vast estate in one of the most 638 00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:52,650 remote democracies on Earth. 639 00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:57,250 The purchase price for this geopolitical insurance policy? 640 00:47:57,890 --> 00:48:04,570 In 2011, Thiel obtained New Zealand citizenship after spending just 12 days 641 00:48:04,570 --> 00:48:09,710 in the country over the previous two years, a process that normally requires 642 00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:11,090 years of residency. 643 00:48:13,210 --> 00:48:16,790 The investment that secured this exceptional pathway? 644 00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:22,190 Approximately $7 million in local assets and business investments. 645 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,760 The centrepiece, a 477 -acre estate near Lake Wanaka, purchased 646 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:36,500 for 13 .5 million New Zealand dollars, about 10 million US dollars. 647 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:44,080 When New Zealand media exposed the deal in 2017, it sparked a national scandal. 648 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,260 Hi, Benedict. Nice to talk to you again. So when we last spoke, you told us that 649 00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:52,400 Peter Thiel was granted citizenship after having only visited New Zealand 650 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:58,480 times for an unknown number of days because the documents had that 651 00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,740 redacted, right? 652 00:49:00,180 --> 00:49:02,740 Politicians called it citizenship for sale. 653 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,780 Opposition leaders demanded investigations. 654 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,740 But Thiel had already achieved his objective. 655 00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:16,360 a legal escape hatch in the world's most politically stable democracy, a 656 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,120 geopolitical insurance policy that money can buy. 657 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,560 Why would a man who helped build the digital future prepare for the collapse 658 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:28,560 the physical one? 659 00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:32,200 What does he see that others don't? 660 00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:43,550 The slogan of the Antichrist is peace and safety, which is nothing wrong with 661 00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:47,450 peace and safety, but you have to sort of imagine that it resonates very 662 00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:51,610 differently in a world where the stakes are so absolute, where the stakes are so 663 00:49:51,610 --> 00:49:58,570 extreme, where the alternative to peace and safety is Armageddon 664 00:49:58,570 --> 00:50:00,070 and the destruction of all things. 665 00:50:01,010 --> 00:50:04,750 He is one of the most polarizing figures in Silicon Valley. 666 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:11,200 To some, a visionary genius who saw the future early. To others, the shadow 667 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:16,540 financier of movements and candidates who challenge liberal democratic norms. 668 00:50:17,580 --> 00:50:20,540 This is not fear. This is strategy. 669 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:26,460 For decades, Peter Thiel has made the same bet over and over again. 670 00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:29,120 Bet against consensus. 671 00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:31,240 Bet against the crowd. 672 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,360 Bet against the system itself. 673 00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:39,980 To understand why he built a fortress at the end of the earth, we have to go 674 00:50:39,980 --> 00:50:45,720 back to a childhood of constant displacement, to a chessboard where 675 00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:51,160 meant nothing, to a company that tried to replace money, and another that 676 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,460 learned to see everything. 677 00:50:54,940 --> 00:50:58,140 But the estate is more than a luxury retreat. 678 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,160 It is a fortress designed for civilizational uncertainty. 679 00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:09,690 Off -grid power systems, advanced security infrastructure, multiple 680 00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:11,330 routes through the mountains. 681 00:51:11,650 --> 00:51:15,030 Not built for comfort, built for continuity. 682 00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:21,030 While the world debates progress, Peter Thiel is preparing for a different 683 00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:26,310 possibility. Not how to build the future, how to survive it. 684 00:51:29,610 --> 00:51:32,130 The Architect of Dissidence 685 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:39,900 Total estimated value of field contingency infrastructure, $20 to $30 686 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,920 Not for lifestyle, not for prestige, but for the day the system he helped build 687 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,060 no longer holds. 688 00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:51,740 He didn't build this because he panics easily. 689 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:57,260 He built it because he has always believed that the crowd is wrong, and 690 00:51:57,260 --> 00:52:00,840 future belongs to those willing to stand apart from it. 691 00:52:01,610 --> 00:52:07,310 Every fortress begins as an idea, and Peter Thiel has been building 692 00:52:07,310 --> 00:52:09,670 fortresses since he was a child. 693 00:52:15,930 --> 00:52:21,590 Before he was a billionaire, before he funded political outsiders, before he 694 00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:26,930 built machines that could see everything, he was a boy who never 695 00:52:26,930 --> 00:52:29,550 place long enough to believe the world made sense. 696 00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:33,850 So he searched for a world where the rules didn't change. 697 00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:36,790 He found it on a chessboard. 698 00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:42,870 To understand Peter Thiel, you must understand what it means to be a 699 00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:43,870 outsider. 700 00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:50,190 Born in Frankfurt, West Germany, Peter Thiel spent part of his early childhood 701 00:52:50,190 --> 00:52:55,890 in South West Africa, now Namibia, before growing up mainly in the United 702 00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:57,930 between Ohio and California. 703 00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:03,710 Before he was a teenager, he had already experienced life on multiple 704 00:53:03,710 --> 00:53:08,050 continents, never staying long enough to feel fully at home. 705 00:53:09,050 --> 00:53:10,930 He didn't have a hometown. 706 00:53:11,230 --> 00:53:18,070 He didn't have a tribe. He only had his own mind, and in that isolation, he 707 00:53:18,070 --> 00:53:20,710 found a language that didn't require a passport. 708 00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:22,610 Chess. 709 00:53:25,230 --> 00:53:29,630 For a child who changed consonants before he could even make friends, the 710 00:53:29,630 --> 00:53:31,970 outside world was unpredictable noise. 711 00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:33,730 But the board? 712 00:53:33,970 --> 00:53:38,750 The board was the only place where the rules didn't change depending on the 713 00:53:38,750 --> 00:53:39,750 country. 714 00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:48,330 His father, an engineer trained in a culture of precision and systems 715 00:53:48,690 --> 00:53:52,770 passed on a belief that reality could be understood and optimized. 716 00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:58,720 While other children sought to fit in, Peter sought the edge. 717 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,480 He learned that the consensus of the crowd is usually a distraction. 718 00:54:04,500 --> 00:54:09,940 If everyone is running toward the ball, you run toward where the ball is going 719 00:54:09,940 --> 00:54:10,940 to be. 720 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,240 Chess is the ultimate antidote to consensus. 721 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,340 In a crowd, you can hide behind a popular opinion. 722 00:54:18,700 --> 00:54:22,360 In chess, you are either right or you are dead. 723 00:54:23,050 --> 00:54:26,890 There is no middle ground, there is no social construction of the board. 724 00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:32,950 He became a serious tournament chess player, drawn to a world where rules 725 00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:37,110 fixed, outcomes were earned, and consensus meant nothing. 726 00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:42,110 Mid -1980s, Stanford University. 727 00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:47,410 To the world, this was the peak of American meritocracy. 728 00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:51,750 To Thiel, it was a factory of conformity. 729 00:54:52,590 --> 00:54:56,570 While his classmates were debating how to change the world through activism, 730 00:54:57,190 --> 00:55:00,430 Thiel was wondering why they all sounded exactly the same. 731 00:55:01,130 --> 00:55:06,330 He saw the multiculturalism movement not as progress, but as a new form of 732 00:55:06,330 --> 00:55:07,330 fundamentalism. 733 00:55:08,210 --> 00:55:14,030 Stanford, in the late 1980s, was ground zero for America's culture wars, battles 734 00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:18,450 over multiculturalism, speech, and the purpose of higher education. 735 00:55:19,630 --> 00:55:21,430 Thiel believed the university 736 00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:27,220 was drifting toward ideological conformity, that certain views were 737 00:55:27,220 --> 00:55:30,020 socially, if not formally, off -limits. 738 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,820 Here his investment methodology was born. 739 00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,660 Identify what the crowd considers sacred and question it. 740 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:47,160 If everyone says identity diversity is the most important thing, you argue that 741 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,840 intellectual diversity is the only thing that matters. 742 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:57,240 He wasn't looking for friends. He was looking to recruit others who, like him, 743 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,300 did not fear being hated. 744 00:55:59,980 --> 00:56:02,440 He founded the Stanford Review. 745 00:56:03,100 --> 00:56:08,600 The paper quickly became one of the most controversial publications on campus, 746 00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:15,000 attacking what Fields saw as intellectual monoculture and political 747 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,650 He saw that the smartest people in the country were all competing for the same 748 00:56:20,650 --> 00:56:24,270 narrow prizes, thinking the same narrow thoughts. 749 00:56:25,170 --> 00:56:29,850 He did what every top student does. He followed the track. 750 00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:36,690 After Sanford Law, he secured a prestigious federal appellate clerkship, 751 00:56:36,690 --> 00:56:40,030 kind of credential that opens every elite door in America. 752 00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:46,130 After his clerkship, he joined Sullivan & Cromwell in New York, one of the most 753 00:56:46,130 --> 00:56:48,130 elite law firms in the world. 754 00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:50,960 On paper, he had reached the summit. 755 00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:54,660 Wall Street was his great negative epiphany. 756 00:56:56,180 --> 00:57:01,000 But from his perspective, the brightest graduates in America were locked in 757 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,520 brutal competition for careers they didn't even seem to want. 758 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:11,460 It looked like Rene Girard's theory made flesh, a system where everyone desired 759 00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:14,560 the same prize simply because everyone else did. 760 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,720 Wall Street looked to Theo like a laboratory of mimetic rivalry. 761 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:25,600 He realized that if he won that race, his prize would be becoming the man in 762 00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,640 office next door, a copy of a copy. 763 00:57:29,260 --> 00:57:34,340 The day he lost the opportunity to clerk for the U .S. Supreme Court wasn't a 764 00:57:34,340 --> 00:57:36,560 defeat. It was his liberation. 765 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,520 He lasted less than a year. 766 00:57:40,380 --> 00:57:46,280 But Thiel's first venture after leaving law was a humbling lesson in failure, a 767 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,980 lesson that would shape everything that came after. 768 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:57,720 In 1996, he launched Thiel Capital Management, a 769 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:02,320 hedge fund focused on currency trading and macroeconomic derivatives. 770 00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:07,900 The strategy was to make big directional bets on interest rates. 771 00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:11,880 inflation expectations, and foreign exchange movements. 772 00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:19,060 Initial capital raised $1 million, mostly from Stanford Connections, who 773 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:22,580 believed in the chess prodigy turned lawyer turned financier. 774 00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,720 The result was spectacular failure. 775 00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:32,140 Within the first year, the fund had lost significant capital. 776 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:38,120 Industry estimates... suggests losses between 30 and 40 % of the initial 777 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,120 investment pool. 778 00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:40,920 Investors fled. 779 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,480 Some demanded their remaining money back immediately. 780 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,900 Thiel's reputation among finance professionals, the people he had walked 781 00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:54,100 from at Sullivan and Cromwell, took a serious hit. 782 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,700 He was no longer the Stanford genius. 783 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,860 He was just another failed trader. 784 00:59:01,780 --> 00:59:06,360 But... This failure taught him the most important lesson of his career. 785 00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:09,140 Competition is for losers. 786 00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:15,340 Do not compete in crowded markets where everyone is making the same trades with 787 00:59:15,340 --> 00:59:17,660 the same information and the same tools. 788 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,040 Wall Street was full of extremely smart people doing the same macro trades, 789 00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:29,140 reading the same economic reports, betting on the same currency movements. 790 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,760 It was a zero -sum game played by thousands of nearly identical players. 791 00:59:36,740 --> 00:59:42,720 He needed to find a space where the rules were still being written, where 792 00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:48,440 first mattered more than being best, where a monopoly position was still 793 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,200 available. He needed technology. 794 00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:57,500 And from the ashes of Thiel Capital Management, a new philosophy was born. 795 00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,260 If you want to create lasting value, you have to build a monopoly. 796 01:00:03,020 --> 01:00:08,260 This became his investing mantra, and it would make him billions. 797 01:00:12,220 --> 01:00:17,340 Thiel walked away from the firm and went back to California, not to start a tech 798 01:00:17,340 --> 01:00:21,000 empire, but to try trading, then to launch a hedge fund. 799 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,240 It failed. 800 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:26,900 The system he had rejected did not welcome him back as a prodigy. 801 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,960 It treated him like a nobody. 802 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:34,500 That failure would become the last lesson before his real beginning. 803 01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:36,760 But he'd learned something. 804 01:00:37,260 --> 01:00:41,820 If you play the system game as everyone else, you've already lost. 805 01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:48,020 The chess master was done with the board. He was ready to build his own. 806 01:00:55,690 --> 01:00:59,130 So this is an ATM, and what we're going to do is transform the traditional 807 01:00:59,130 --> 01:01:00,130 banking industry. 808 01:01:01,250 --> 01:01:03,190 I do not fit the picture of a banker. 809 01:01:06,570 --> 01:01:11,530 Raising $50 million is a matter of making a series of phone calls, and the 810 01:01:11,530 --> 01:01:12,530 is there. 811 01:01:13,330 --> 01:01:17,950 I've sunk the great majority of my net worth into X .com, which is the new 812 01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:21,010 banking and mutual funds company on the internet that I've started. 813 01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:23,310 December 1998. 814 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:30,660 Peter Thiel co -founds a company called Confinity with Max Levchin, a brilliant 815 01:01:30,660 --> 01:01:36,060 Ukrainian -born programmer, and Luke Nosek, a fellow Stanford reviewer 816 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,920 Initial funding, $300 ,000 scraped together from friends, family, and 817 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,720 libertarian true believers from the Stanford days. 818 01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:52,020 The original product idea, digital wallet on Palm Pilot handheld devices. 819 01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:58,010 The vision was that people would beam money to each other using infrared ports 820 01:01:58,010 --> 01:01:59,350 on the Palm pilots. 821 01:02:00,370 --> 01:02:06,690 In coffee shops, at restaurants, person to person, by parking banks entirely. 822 01:02:09,290 --> 01:02:14,210 Total users after six months of operation, 12 people. 823 01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:16,090 Literally 12. 824 01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:21,430 Most of them were employees and their friends testing the system. 825 01:02:22,030 --> 01:02:24,410 It was a complete and utter flop. 826 01:02:24,930 --> 01:02:27,870 The technology worked, but nobody cared. 827 01:02:28,190 --> 01:02:29,490 Nobody wanted it. 828 01:02:30,270 --> 01:02:31,510 March 2000. 829 01:02:32,330 --> 01:02:35,790 Confinity pivots hard and launches a new feature. 830 01:02:36,310 --> 01:02:38,350 Email -based money transfers. 831 01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:42,010 You send money to any email address. 832 01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:47,230 The recipient gets a notification, creates an account, and the money is 833 01:02:47,490 --> 01:02:49,650 Simple, instant, revolutionary. 834 01:02:50,730 --> 01:02:51,950 The name of this new service? 835 01:02:52,330 --> 01:02:53,330 PayPal. 836 01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:59,590 Within weeks, user growth exploded at a rate nobody had ever seen in financial 837 01:02:59,590 --> 01:03:00,590 services. 838 01:03:01,030 --> 01:03:03,870 Month 1, 10 ,000 users. 839 01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:07,410 Month 3, 100 ,000 users. 840 01:03:07,830 --> 01:03:08,930 Month 6, 841 01:03:09,630 --> 01:03:10,710 1 million users. 842 01:03:11,090 --> 01:03:14,170 Month 12, 5 million users. 843 01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:20,920 This was the fastest user adoption rate in the entire history of financial 844 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:26,860 services. Faster than credit cards, faster than checking accounts, faster 845 01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:27,860 anything. 846 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,500 But here is what most people do not know about PayPal's growth. 847 01:03:33,100 --> 01:03:36,600 Here is the secret that the mythology leaves out. 848 01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:41,660 PayPal's explosive user acquisition was not organic. 849 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,180 It was not word of mouth. 850 01:03:44,940 --> 01:03:47,620 It was not viral in the natural sense. 851 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,580 They literally bought their users with cash. 852 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:57,700 The strategy was elegantly simple and brutally expensive. 853 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:03,240 Sign up for a PayPal account, get $10 deposited instantly. 854 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,280 Refer a friend who signs up, gets another $10. 855 01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,040 Your friend also gets $10. 856 01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:17,540 Cost per acquisition, $20 to $40 per user, depending on how many referrals 857 01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:18,540 user generated. 858 01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:24,400 Monthly cash burn rate at peak growth, $10 to $12 million. 859 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,400 Just vanishing into user acquisition. 860 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:35,780 By late 2000, PayPal was spending $60 to $70 million annually just to buy 861 01:04:35,780 --> 01:04:37,560 users with cash incentives. 862 01:04:38,890 --> 01:04:42,130 They were hemorrhaging money at a terrifying rate. 863 01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:46,610 Investors were panicking. Board members were demanding answers. 864 01:04:48,350 --> 01:04:53,670 How long can you sustain spending $10 million a month buying users? 865 01:04:54,490 --> 01:04:56,950 But Thiel had done the mathematics. 866 01:04:57,530 --> 01:05:00,010 He had run the numbers obsessively. 867 01:05:00,470 --> 01:05:07,050 Each acquired user was worth $100 to $200 in lifetime transaction fee 868 01:05:07,050 --> 01:05:09,090 revenue. through the PayPal network. 869 01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:13,890 They were buying $100 bills for $20 bills. 870 01:05:14,330 --> 01:05:20,370 It was either genius or insanity, depending on whether the math actually 871 01:05:21,210 --> 01:05:22,970 Thiel believed it would work. 872 01:05:23,170 --> 01:05:25,090 He bet everything on it. 873 01:05:25,310 --> 01:05:28,250 But there was a problem, a major problem. 874 01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:31,990 Another company was doing the exact same thing. 875 01:05:32,830 --> 01:05:39,470 X .com, a finance company founded by Elon Musk, with money from his Zip2 876 01:05:39,650 --> 01:05:44,290 and a vision for online banking that was nearly identical to PayPal's. 877 01:05:45,790 --> 01:05:52,750 Two companies, same idea, same market, both burning massive amounts of cash at 878 01:05:52,750 --> 01:05:54,970 completely unsustainable rates. 879 01:05:55,530 --> 01:06:00,550 Total funding raised between both companies, over $100 million. 880 01:06:01,950 --> 01:06:05,730 Combined monthly cash burn rate, over $20 million. 881 01:06:06,830 --> 01:06:12,050 Time until both companies simultaneously ran out of money, less than six months. 882 01:06:13,890 --> 01:06:16,050 The merger was inevitable. 883 01:06:17,090 --> 01:06:21,190 X .com and Confinity merged into a single entity. 884 01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:26,890 The combined company kept the PayPal name because users had already adopted 885 01:06:27,130 --> 01:06:28,630 The brand had momentum. 886 01:06:29,230 --> 01:06:35,210 Elon Musk became chief executive officer of the merged company for five months. 887 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,160 October 2000. 888 01:06:40,740 --> 01:06:46,200 While Elon Musk was on his honeymoon, the board of directors, led by Peter 889 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:52,060 and other Confinity founders, held an emergency meeting and voted Musk out as 890 01:06:52,060 --> 01:06:53,060 CEO. 891 01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:58,860 The official reason cited strategic disagreements over technology platform. 892 01:06:59,380 --> 01:07:02,200 Musk wanted to use Microsoft software. 893 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,820 The Confinity engineers believed in Unix -based systems. 894 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:08,700 The actual reason? 895 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,860 Thiel wanted control, full control. 896 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,320 This was his company now. 897 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,020 Peter Thiel became chief executive officer of PayPal. 898 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,720 Elon Musk remained a major shareholder, but his operational control was 899 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,720 finished. 900 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:33,860 The two men, both future billionaires, both future power brokers, had their 901 01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:34,860 first battle. 902 01:07:35,140 --> 01:07:36,140 Thiel won. 903 01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:42,100 At its core, PayPal ran on a simple idea that turned into a powerful engine. 904 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:50,140 Every time money moved, PayPal took a small cut, 2 .9 % plus 30 cents per 905 01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:55,800 transaction. If that money crossed borders, the fee climbed to between 2 .5 906 01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:01,780 and 4%. Then there was the float, the cash sitting in PayPal's accounts 907 01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:04,940 payments, quietly earning interest for the company. 908 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,840 Tiny slices, repeated millions of times. 909 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:14,320 By 2001, the numbers told the story of a system coming to life. 910 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:20,140 Every single day, $5 -8 million flowed through PayPal's network. 911 01:08:20,740 --> 01:08:25,560 Each month, that translated into $10 -15 million in revenue. 912 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,040 But growth at this speed came at a cost. 913 01:08:30,420 --> 01:08:36,470 Running a system, fighting fraud, scaling infrastructure, acquiring users 914 01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:43,250 burning 20 to 30 million dollars every month the machine worked it just 915 01:08:43,250 --> 01:08:49,689 wasn't profitable yet late 2000 paypal data scientists 916 01:08:49,689 --> 01:08:56,170 discovered something crucial 70 of all paypal transactions were happening on 917 01:08:56,170 --> 01:09:01,990 ebay auctions people buying and selling random items on the internet's largest 918 01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:05,300 marketplace were using PayPal to move money. 919 01:09:05,740 --> 01:09:09,240 The strategic insight became immediately clear. 920 01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:15,180 Make PayPal the only payment method that eBay users trust completely. 921 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,160 Own that market, become indispensable. 922 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:26,279 The execution, buyer protection guarantees that eBay's own payment 923 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:27,279 not offer. 924 01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,040 Instant payment transfers with no 7 -day check clearing period. 925 01:09:35,050 --> 01:09:38,890 Fraud detection algorithms that were better than credit card companies. 926 01:09:39,370 --> 01:09:42,310 Email notifications for every transaction. 927 01:09:42,790 --> 01:09:45,170 Simple, clean user interface. 928 01:09:47,149 --> 01:09:52,229 By mid -2001, the strategy was working beyond all projections. 929 01:09:52,729 --> 01:09:57,870 50 % of all e -mail auctions accepted PayPal as a payment method. 930 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:04,640 PayPal was processing $50 million daily in eBay -related transactions alone. 931 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000 And then eBay noticed. 932 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,380 And eBay was not happy. 933 01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:16,720 eBay launched their own competing service called Billpoint and attempted 934 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,140 PayPal through the marketplace. 935 01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:21,620 They promoted Billpoint in search rankings. 936 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,520 They penalized sellers who only accepted PayPal. 937 01:10:26,220 --> 01:10:28,920 They made it harder to display the PayPal logo. 938 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:30,580 It was war. 939 01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,100 PayPal's response was total war. 940 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,700 Temporarily lower transaction fees that undercut bill points. 941 01:10:39,660 --> 01:10:43,180 Guarantee faster money transfers than eBay could offer. 942 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:49,840 Invest heavily in superior $30 million deployed in 2001 fraud protection. 943 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,340 Massive marketing spending alone. 944 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,260 By early 2002, the war was over. 945 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,660 PayPal controls 65 % of eBay's payment market. 946 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:08,980 Billpoint at barely 10%. eBay executives looked at the numbers 947 01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:10,280 and reached a conclusion. 948 01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,420 If you cannot beat them, buy them. 949 01:11:14,140 --> 01:11:15,700 July 2002. 950 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:21,680 eBay acquires PayPal for $1 .5 billion in eBay stock. 951 01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:28,670 Peter Thiel owned approximately 3 .7 % of PayPal at the time of the 952 01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:33,710 His equity stake was worth $55 million in eBay stock. 953 01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:39,570 After taxes, he walked away with approximately $40 million in liquid 954 01:11:40,110 --> 01:11:44,110 At age 34, he had won his first billion -dollar game. 955 01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:50,150 But the money was not the most valuable thing he extracted from PayPal. 956 01:11:50,910 --> 01:11:57,090 The real value was the network, the PayPal Mafia, the name they gave 957 01:11:57,470 --> 01:11:59,110 and it was not ironic. 958 01:11:59,590 --> 01:12:00,930 It was descriptive. 959 01:12:01,290 --> 01:12:06,650 The core team that Thiel assembled at PayPal would go on to create some of the 960 01:12:06,650 --> 01:12:09,130 most valuable companies in human history. 961 01:12:09,930 --> 01:12:14,550 Elon Musk, Tesla market cap $650 billion. 962 01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:19,930 SpaceX, estimated value... $150 billion. 963 01:12:20,570 --> 01:12:25,450 Reid Hoffman, LinkedIn, sold to Microsoft for $26 billion. 964 01:12:26,410 --> 01:12:33,190 Steve Chen, Chad Hurley, Jawed Karim, YouTube, sold to Google for $1 965 01:12:33,190 --> 01:12:38,110 .65 billion, now worth over $100 billion. 966 01:12:40,610 --> 01:12:46,970 Jeremy Stoppelman and Russell Simmons, Yelp, peaked at $3 billion market cap. 967 01:12:47,580 --> 01:12:52,240 David Sachs, Yammer, sold to Microsoft for $1 .2 billion. 968 01:12:53,340 --> 01:12:55,900 Later founded Craft Ventures. 969 01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:59,940 Max Levchin, a firm $12 billion company. 970 01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,640 Also co -founded Yelp. 971 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:09,840 Keith Rabois, COO of Square, partner at Founders Fund, investor in 972 01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:11,640 dozens of unicorns. 973 01:13:13,460 --> 01:13:14,820 Roloff Boffer. 974 01:13:15,310 --> 01:13:21,010 Partner at Sequoia Capital led investments in Instagram, YouTube, 975 01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:23,250 MongoDB, Eventbrite. 976 01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:29,510 Total value created by the PayPal Mafia across all their companies, 977 01:13:29,710 --> 01:13:35,790 conservatively estimated at over $200 billion in combined market 978 01:13:35,790 --> 01:13:41,810 capitalization. Fields ownership stakes across this extended network through 979 01:13:41,810 --> 01:13:47,680 direct investments and fund positions estimated at 2 to 4 billion dollars. 980 01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,000 This was not just a company that got acquired. 981 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:56,920 This was the creation of the most powerful business cartel in Silicon 982 01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:57,920 history. 983 01:13:59,780 --> 01:14:03,600 But what made PayPal different was not the technology. 984 01:14:03,900 --> 01:14:04,900 Not really. 985 01:14:05,060 --> 01:14:08,700 The technology was impressive, but not miraculous. 986 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,280 What made PayPal different was the culture. 987 01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,540 The religion of extreme meritocracy. 988 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:19,780 Thiel's hiring criteria were brutally specific. 989 01:14:20,980 --> 01:14:22,880 1. Raw intelligence. 990 01:14:23,460 --> 01:14:24,700 High test scores. 991 01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:27,380 Ability to solve complex puzzles. 992 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,960 Proof you could think better than everyone else. 993 01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:37,960 2. Intensity. Are you willing to work 100 hour weeks? Are you willing to 994 01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,700 sacrifice everything else in your life for the mission? 995 01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:42,300 3. 996 01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:43,940 Missionary zeal. 997 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:47,340 Do you actually believe we are changing the world? 998 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,560 Or are you here for a paycheck? 999 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:53,080 Loyalty to the tribe. 1000 01:14:53,660 --> 01:14:55,660 Will you protect the other members? 1001 01:14:55,900 --> 01:14:57,820 Will you put the group above yourself? 1002 01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:03,640 Average employee age at PayPal, 25 years old. 1003 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,580 Average work week, 80 to 100 hours. 1004 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,980 Office culture, libertarian, anti -regulation. 1005 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:17,900 contrarian, anti -establishment. They called themselves the Mafia specifically 1006 01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:21,200 because loyalty mattered more than credentials. 1007 01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:29,880 More than degrees, more than previous experience, Thiel's operating principle 1008 01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:35,540 stated explicitly and repeatedly, talented people do not want to work with 1009 01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:38,080 people who are less talented than they are. 1010 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:43,850 So every new hire must be more talented than the average current employee. 1011 01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:47,370 Otherwise, we are diluting the talent pool. 1012 01:15:47,970 --> 01:15:53,710 This created a self -reinforcing escalation, an arms race of hiring. 1013 01:15:54,110 --> 01:15:59,530 Every new person raised the bar. The standards became higher and higher. 1014 01:16:00,230 --> 01:16:05,870 Only the absolute best could get in. And once you were in, you were family. 1015 01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:09,690 But here is what most people forget about PayPal. 1016 01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:13,530 Here is the original vision that got erased from the mythology. 1017 01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:17,670 PayPal was supposed to destroy the Federal Reserve. 1018 01:16:18,170 --> 01:16:21,770 It was supposed to undermine state control of currency. 1019 01:16:22,290 --> 01:16:27,250 That was the actual mission. That was why Peter Thiel, the libertarian 1020 01:16:27,250 --> 01:16:29,210 ideologue, cared so much. 1021 01:16:30,830 --> 01:16:36,610 The original vision laid out in Thiel's founding documents creates a new digital 1022 01:16:36,610 --> 01:16:39,050 currency outside government control. 1023 01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:45,270 Enable true peer to peer transactions globally without state intermediaries. 1024 01:16:45,710 --> 01:16:49,610 Undermine the state monopoly on money creation and management. 1025 01:16:50,650 --> 01:16:54,670 Build the financial infrastructure for a stateless society. 1026 01:16:55,390 --> 01:16:57,270 What actually happened? 1027 01:16:57,530 --> 01:17:03,250 To become mainstream, to actually scale, PayPal had to compromise every single 1028 01:17:03,250 --> 01:17:07,930 founding principle. They had to integrate with the traditional banking 1029 01:17:08,730 --> 01:17:09,709 The enemy. 1030 01:17:09,710 --> 01:17:14,330 They had to comply with Know Your Customer and anti -money laundering 1031 01:17:14,330 --> 01:17:15,330 regulations. 1032 01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:16,830 Government control. 1033 01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:20,330 They had to partner with credit card companies. 1034 01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:23,030 The old system they wanted to destroy. 1035 01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:26,410 They had to get licensed in every single state. 1036 01:17:26,890 --> 01:17:28,090 Regulatory capture. 1037 01:17:28,510 --> 01:17:32,690 They had to report suspicious transactions to federal authorities. 1038 01:17:33,530 --> 01:17:37,670 Surveillance. By 2002, PayPal was regulated. 1039 01:17:38,170 --> 01:17:39,670 exactly like a bank. 1040 01:17:40,510 --> 01:17:45,830 Partnered with banks, dependent on banks for all core functionalities, the 1041 01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:50,890 libertarian revolution had become just another fintech company, playing by the 1042 01:17:50,890 --> 01:17:51,890 government's rules. 1043 01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:57,650 Thiel learned the most important lesson of his career from PayPal's failure to 1044 01:17:57,650 --> 01:17:59,470 achieve its revolutionary mission. 1045 01:17:59,870 --> 01:18:03,690 You cannot disrupt the system from inside the system. 1046 01:18:04,330 --> 01:18:08,980 If you want to change the rules, You cannot ask permission from the people 1047 01:18:08,980 --> 01:18:09,959 wrote them. 1048 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,080 This lesson would shape everything he did next. 1049 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,400 Palantir. Facebook. 1050 01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:19,440 His political investments. 1051 01:18:19,980 --> 01:18:20,980 Everything. 1052 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:26,120 The PayPal acquisition was not an ending. It was a beginning. 1053 01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:28,760 The start of something much larger. 1054 01:18:29,100 --> 01:18:32,120 The pattern that emerged over the next 20 years. 1055 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,160 PayPal veterans leave. 1056 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,740 and start new companies in different sectors. 1057 01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:42,220 Feel invest early as angel investor or through founder's fund. 1058 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:46,120 PayPal mafia members join each other's boards of directors. 1059 01:18:46,860 --> 01:18:50,500 Cross -investment between all their venture funds creates alignment. 1060 01:18:51,380 --> 01:18:55,360 Preferential access to deals flow because of network relationships. 1061 01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,560 Shared intelligence about markets, technology and opportunities. 1062 01:19:00,700 --> 01:19:03,500 Real examples of how the network compounds. 1063 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:09,080 Reid Hoffman introduces Thiel to Mark Zuckerberg in 2004. 1064 01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:16,160 Thiel invests $500 ,000 in Facebook, eventually makes over $1 billion. 1065 01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:23,320 Roloff Botha joins Sequoia Capital and invests in multiple Thiel -backed 1066 01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,040 companies, creating reciprocal deal flows. 1067 01:19:26,820 --> 01:19:31,640 David Sachs hosts high -dollar fundraisers for Thiel's political 1068 01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,640 mixing business and politics seamlessly. 1069 01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:43,260 Max Levchin provides seed capital for Palantir and serves as advisor, lending 1070 01:19:43,260 --> 01:19:44,260 credibility. 1071 01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:51,680 This network effect multiplier is precisely how Thiel turned $55 million 1072 01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,800 PayPal into over $5 billion in net worth today. 1073 01:19:56,700 --> 01:20:01,740 The PayPal Mafia is not a cute nickname. It is not a metaphor. 1074 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:08,100 it is the most successful organized business cartel in silicon valley 1075 01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:12,940 self -reinforcing network of wealth power and influence that has shaped the 1076 01:20:12,940 --> 01:20:19,260 entire technology industry for two decades and peter thiel sits at the 1077 01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:21,140 it all the godfather 1078 01:20:21,140 --> 01:20:29,120 after 1079 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:34,330 paypal Peter Thiel was a man with a billion dollars and a dangerous secret. 1080 01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:40,710 While other investors were looking at spreadsheets and profit margins, Thiel 1081 01:20:40,710 --> 01:20:45,170 looking at the human soul through the eyes of his mentor, Rene Girard. 1082 01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:48,510 Girard taught him a terrifying truth. 1083 01:20:49,010 --> 01:20:51,830 Human beings don't know what they want. 1084 01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:54,310 We are mimetic creatures. 1085 01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:57,410 We don't desire things for themselves. 1086 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:03,480 We desire them because other people desire them. We are copy machines 1087 01:21:03,480 --> 01:21:04,480 as individuals. 1088 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:07,780 August 2004. 1089 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,300 Facebook has been online for exactly six months. 1090 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,060 It started as a Harvard dorm project and has now expanded to several college 1091 01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:19,060 campuses. 1092 01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,160 The metrics that Zuckerberg shows seal. 1093 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,220 Total registered users, 200 ,000. 1094 01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:29,760 Almost entirely college students. 1095 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:35,120 Daily active user rate, 70 -80 % engagement. 1096 01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:38,280 Unprecedented in web services. 1097 01:21:38,980 --> 01:21:40,260 Revenue, $0. 1098 01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:42,560 No business model yet. 1099 01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,620 Valuation Zuckerberg is asking for, $5 million. 1100 01:21:47,620 --> 01:21:52,800 Every single professional venture capitalist in Silicon Valley has passed 1101 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,840 Facebook. Every major firm has looked into it and said no. 1102 01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,840 The reasons they gave? It is just a college directory. 1103 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:02,740 Limited market. 1104 01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:08,700 Friendster has already 5 million users and is the leader in social networking. 1105 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:13,020 Myspace is dominant with 8 million users and growing fast. 1106 01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:17,080 There is no obvious business model or revenue stream. 1107 01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:23,360 Mark Zuckerberg is too young, too inexperienced, too risky as a founder. 1108 01:22:25,390 --> 01:22:30,630 Peter Thiel saw something completely different, something that had nothing to 1109 01:22:30,630 --> 01:22:31,630 with technology. 1110 01:22:32,050 --> 01:22:38,410 Thiel had spent years studying Rene Girard's mimetic theory, the 1111 01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:41,870 framework that would shape his entire investment approach. 1112 01:22:42,210 --> 01:22:46,710 The core idea, humans do not have original desires. 1113 01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:49,830 We desire what other people desire. 1114 01:22:50,250 --> 01:22:54,070 We learn what to want by watching other people want. 1115 01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:56,660 Desire is imitative. 1116 01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:58,760 Desire is social. 1117 01:22:59,220 --> 01:23:01,180 Desire is mimetic. 1118 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:06,560 When Thiel looked at Facebook, he did not see a technology platform for 1119 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:07,560 connecting friends. 1120 01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,240 He saw something far more powerful. 1121 01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,280 He saw the perfect mimetic desire machine. 1122 01:23:13,900 --> 01:23:16,240 The insight that made Thiel invest. 1123 01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,420 Social networks do not create value by connecting people. 1124 01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,620 That is not where the money is. 1125 01:23:23,100 --> 01:23:24,520 The money is in comparison. 1126 01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:29,500 The money is in making people compare themselves to each other constantly. 1127 01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:34,880 You see your friend's vacation photos, you want a better vacation. 1128 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,760 You see someone's job promotion announcement, you want higher status. 1129 01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:44,220 You see someone's relationship photos, you want romance. 1130 01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:49,860 You see someone getting likes and comments, you want validation. 1131 01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:56,000 You see someone's perfect life. You feel your own life is inadequate. 1132 01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,600 Facebook was not selling connections. 1133 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:02,280 Facebook was selling envy. 1134 01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:08,580 And envy, feel understood from Gerard, is the most powerful economic force in 1135 01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:09,580 human history. 1136 01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:12,340 The desire for what others have. 1137 01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,680 They need to keep up. The fear of being left behind. 1138 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,900 Infinite envy creates infinite demand. 1139 01:24:20,540 --> 01:24:23,240 Infinite demand creates infinite value. 1140 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,540 September 2004. 1141 01:24:27,260 --> 01:24:31,820 Peter Thiel wires $500 ,000 to Facebook Inc. 1142 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:38,460 The deal terms 10 .2 % equity ownership in the company. 1143 01:24:38,900 --> 01:24:42,840 A board seat giving him governance rights and inside information. 1144 01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:47,920 Right of first refusal on all future funding rounds. 1145 01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,760 Post -money valuation of exactly $5 million. 1146 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,040 Mark Zuckerberg's reaction after the deal closed? 1147 01:24:56,340 --> 01:25:00,500 This guy actually gets it. He understands what we are building. 1148 01:25:01,260 --> 01:25:02,780 Silicon Valley's reaction? 1149 01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,060 Peter Thiel just threw away half a million dollars on a college kid's 1150 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,740 This will be his biggest failure. 1151 01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:15,620 What happened next rewrote the history of venture capital. 1152 01:25:16,420 --> 01:25:17,420 2004 1153 01:25:18,090 --> 01:25:19,049 End of year. 1154 01:25:19,050 --> 01:25:23,290 200 ,000 users grew to 1 million users. 1155 01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:26,270 5 times growth in 4 months. 1156 01:25:26,510 --> 01:25:27,510 2005. 1157 01:25:28,030 --> 01:25:32,450 1 million users becomes 5 .5 million users. 1158 01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:38,230 2006. 5 .5 million users becomes 12 million users. 1159 01:25:38,730 --> 01:25:44,870 2007. 12 million users exploded to 50 million users. 1160 01:25:45,210 --> 01:25:46,210 2008. 1161 01:25:46,810 --> 01:25:50,510 50 million users doubled to 100 million users. 1162 01:25:51,630 --> 01:25:57,430 2009, 100 million users becomes 350 million users. 1163 01:25:57,930 --> 01:26:03,430 Growth rate, the user base was doubling every six to nine months for five 1164 01:26:03,430 --> 01:26:04,590 consecutive years. 1165 01:26:05,310 --> 01:26:11,050 This growth curve has never been seen before in business history, not even 1166 01:26:11,050 --> 01:26:14,990 close. As Facebook grew, its valuation grew. 1167 01:26:15,420 --> 01:26:17,480 and Peter Thiel's stake grew with it. 1168 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,540 May 2005. 1169 01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:26,960 Axel Partners invests $12 .7 million at $100 million valuation. 1170 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:32,280 Thiel's 10 .2 % stake is now worth $10 .2 million. 1171 01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:36,700 He has achieved 20 times return in nine months. 1172 01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:39,560 April 2006. 1173 01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:46,870 Raylock Partners and Meritech Capital invest $27 .5 million at $500 million 1174 01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:47,870 valuation. 1175 01:26:48,270 --> 01:26:54,990 Sealsake is now worth $51 million, 100 times return on his original investment. 1176 01:26:55,570 --> 01:26:57,510 October 2007, 1177 01:26:58,270 --> 01:27:05,050 Microsoft invests $240 million, valuing Facebook at $15 1178 01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:06,050 billion. 1179 01:27:06,450 --> 01:27:09,810 Sealsake is now worth $1 .5 billion. 1180 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,480 A 300 ,000 times return in three years. 1181 01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:17,900 2009 through 2011. 1182 01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:24,680 Multiple private sales and secondary transactions value Facebook at $50 1183 01:27:25,580 --> 01:27:30,960 Seal's stake, if he had held everything, would be worth $5 billion. 1184 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,400 May 18th, 2012. 1185 01:27:35,380 --> 01:27:39,240 Facebook goes public at a market capitalization. 1186 01:27:39,850 --> 01:27:41,710 of $104 billion. 1187 01:27:42,810 --> 01:27:45,250 But Thiel does not hold everything. 1188 01:27:45,550 --> 01:27:46,570 He is strategic. 1189 01:27:46,850 --> 01:27:47,850 He is tactical. 1190 01:27:48,170 --> 01:27:49,490 He takes profits. 1191 01:27:49,930 --> 01:27:56,130 At the initial public offering, Thiel sells $640 million worth of shares 1192 01:27:56,130 --> 01:27:57,130 immediately. 1193 01:27:57,730 --> 01:28:02,470 Over the following six months, he sells the remainder of his stake in carefully 1194 01:28:02,470 --> 01:28:03,510 timed transactions. 1195 01:28:04,630 --> 01:28:09,990 Total cash realized from the Facebook investment Approximately $1 billion. 1196 01:28:11,550 --> 01:28:16,190 Initial investment in August 2004, $500 ,000. 1197 01:28:16,530 --> 01:28:21,610 Total cash realized by end of 2012, $1 billion. 1198 01:28:22,550 --> 01:28:27,150 Total return, 2 ,000 times in 8 years. 1199 01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:32,870 This is the single greatest venture capital return in recorded history. 1200 01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:34,050 else comes close. 1201 01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:36,250 But here is the twist. 1202 01:28:36,970 --> 01:28:42,090 The haunting decision that Thiel himself admits keeps him awake at night. 1203 01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:44,150 Selling was a mistake. 1204 01:28:44,990 --> 01:28:51,390 If Peter Thiel had held his original 10 .2 % stake and had never sold a single 1205 01:28:51,390 --> 01:28:57,810 share, that stake at Facebook's peak market capitalization in 2021 would have 1206 01:28:57,810 --> 01:29:00,070 been worth $102 billion. 1207 01:29:01,690 --> 01:29:03,310 $102 billion. 1208 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:08,440 He left $100 billion on the table by selling early. 1209 01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:14,860 Thiel himself admitted this publicly, saying, The mistake was not investing in 1210 01:29:14,860 --> 01:29:17,800 Facebook. The mistake was selling Facebook. 1211 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:20,360 I should have held longer. 1212 01:29:20,620 --> 01:29:25,760 I should have believed more. It is the single most expensive decision of his 1213 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:26,760 life. 1214 01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:32,960 Years later, in a Stanford lecture, Thiel explained his actual investment 1215 01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:33,960 thesis. 1216 01:29:34,410 --> 01:29:36,170 The real reason he invested. 1217 01:29:36,670 --> 01:29:41,510 I did not invest in Facebook because I thought social networks were going to be 1218 01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:46,650 big. I invested because I understood that humans will always want to be more 1219 01:29:46,650 --> 01:29:47,650 like their peers. 1220 01:29:47,890 --> 01:29:51,210 That desire is infinite. It never stops. 1221 01:29:51,550 --> 01:29:53,310 It only intensifies. 1222 01:29:53,890 --> 01:29:57,230 An infinite desire creates infinite value. 1223 01:29:57,610 --> 01:30:00,910 The mimetic theory made him a billionaire. 1224 01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:06,640 The memetic theory also made him terrified of what he had helped create. 1225 01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:13,620 A machine that weaponizes human envy. A system that profits from making people 1226 01:30:13,620 --> 01:30:14,620 feel inadequate. 1227 01:30:15,020 --> 01:30:19,780 An algorithm that amplifies the worst aspects of human nature. 1228 01:30:20,700 --> 01:30:26,260 Peter Thiel helped build the most powerful behavior modification system in 1229 01:30:26,260 --> 01:30:30,720 history. And then he cashed out for a billion dollars. 1230 01:30:39,500 --> 01:30:42,880 2003. Peter Thiel has a problem. 1231 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:48,360 It is the CIA's problem that they think Thiel can solve it. 1232 01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:54,320 His PayPal anti -fraud algorithms have become so sophisticated at detecting 1233 01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:59,240 patterns in financial transactions, at finding terrorists trying to move money 1234 01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:06,000 through banking systems, that the CIA venture capital arm In -Q -Tel requested 1235 01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:07,000 meeting. 1236 01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:08,800 The pitch from the CIA. 1237 01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:13,920 Can you build what you built for PayPal, but for national security? 1238 01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:18,060 Can you find terrorists the way you found fraudsters? 1239 01:31:18,940 --> 01:31:20,160 May 2003. 1240 01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:26,340 Peter Thiel co -found Palantir Technologies with an unusual group of co 1241 01:31:26,340 --> 01:31:31,620 -founders. The founding team, Alex Karp, Chief Executive Officer. 1242 01:31:32,650 --> 01:31:37,710 Stanford Law degree, philosophy, PhD from Frankfurt University in Germany. 1243 01:31:37,930 --> 01:31:42,070 Former human rights lawyer who once worked on refugee cases. 1244 01:31:42,770 --> 01:31:47,690 An extremely odd choice to run a company that will become the most powerful 1245 01:31:47,690 --> 01:31:50,210 surveillance technology provider on earth. 1246 01:31:51,190 --> 01:31:54,390 Nathan Gettings, chief technology officer. 1247 01:31:55,190 --> 01:31:57,470 PayPal's lead security engineer. 1248 01:31:58,010 --> 01:32:00,870 Brilliant programmer, Joe Lonsdale. 1249 01:32:01,370 --> 01:32:06,850 A Stanford undergraduate student, barely 20 years old, one of the first Thiel 1250 01:32:06,850 --> 01:32:11,710 fellows. Stephen Cohen, PayPal's chief security architect. 1251 01:32:12,110 --> 01:32:15,530 The person who actually built the fraud detection algorithms. 1252 01:32:16,190 --> 01:32:18,050 Initial funding, $2 million. 1253 01:32:19,210 --> 01:32:21,830 Entirely from Peter Thiel's personal capital. 1254 01:32:22,210 --> 01:32:26,090 No outside investors yet. This is his project. 1255 01:32:26,670 --> 01:32:28,570 The mission statement... 1256 01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:34,040 Build software that can find patterns in massive datasets from disparate 1257 01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:35,340 incompatible sources. 1258 01:32:36,420 --> 01:32:42,360 The kind of data that, if intelligence agencies have been able to analyze it 1259 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:46,700 properly, could have prevented September 11th, 2001. 1260 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:54,040 The company name, Palantir, named after the seeing stones in Lord of the Rings. 1261 01:32:54,410 --> 01:32:58,830 The magical orbs that allow their possessors to see anything happening 1262 01:32:58,830 --> 01:32:59,850 in Middle Earth. 1263 01:33:00,150 --> 01:33:02,390 Even the name revealed the ambition. 1264 01:33:02,870 --> 01:33:05,130 Total information awareness. 1265 01:33:05,890 --> 01:33:08,550 The ability to see everything. 1266 01:33:11,150 --> 01:33:17,530 2005. The CIA's venture capital arm, In -Q -Tel, invests $2 million 1267 01:33:17,530 --> 01:33:20,370 in Palantir's Series A funding round. 1268 01:33:20,950 --> 01:33:22,610 This was not just money. 1269 01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,060 This was validation from the intelligence community. 1270 01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:32,220 A stamp of approval from the most secretive, most paranoid organization in 1271 01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:33,220 US government. 1272 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:37,140 Initial contract value undisclosed. 1273 01:33:37,660 --> 01:33:41,460 Government intelligence contracts are classified by law. 1274 01:33:41,780 --> 01:33:47,440 But industry analysts estimate the first CIA contracts were worth five to ten 1275 01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:48,640 million dollars annually. 1276 01:33:49,260 --> 01:33:52,340 The product was called Palantir Gotham. 1277 01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,620 The name itself was significant. 1278 01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,280 Gotham, the dark city that needs Batman. 1279 01:33:58,500 --> 01:34:01,800 The city that needs surveillance to fight crime. 1280 01:34:02,440 --> 01:34:04,040 Core technical capabilities. 1281 01:34:04,940 --> 01:34:10,280 Integrate data from dozens of incompatible government databases that 1282 01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:15,380 designed to communicate with each other. From hidden connections between people, 1283 01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,720 places, financial transactions, communications metadata. 1284 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,760 Visualize networks of relationships in ways human analysts could understand 1285 01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:31,740 intuitively. Predict future behavior and likely attack patterns based on 1286 01:34:31,740 --> 01:34:32,860 historical data. 1287 01:34:33,540 --> 01:34:36,700 Specific use cases for intelligence agencies. 1288 01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,180 Track terrorist cells across multiple countries. 1289 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,180 Map drug trafficking routes from production to distribution. 1290 01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:49,640 Identify money laundering networks moving funds for organized crime. 1291 01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:55,660 Predict insurgent attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan based on pattern 1292 01:34:56,180 --> 01:34:57,320 It worked. 1293 01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,920 The software actually worked. 1294 01:35:00,340 --> 01:35:07,180 By 2006, Palantir software was being actively used in Iraq for 1295 01:35:07,180 --> 01:35:10,380 operations and in IED attack prediction. 1296 01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:15,600 Afghanistan for predicting Taliban leadership networks. 1297 01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:20,360 Langley, Virginia, at SCIA headquarters for threat analysis. 1298 01:35:20,780 --> 01:35:25,640 FBI field officers nationwide for domestic terrorism investigations. 1299 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,960 Early revenue growth told the story of Palantir's expanding reach. 1300 01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:35,840 2005, $3 million in revenue. 1301 01:35:36,300 --> 01:35:40,300 Government contracts only. 2006, $10 million. 1302 01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:44,440 2007, $25 million. 1303 01:35:45,370 --> 01:35:47,450 2008, $50 million. 1304 01:35:47,950 --> 01:35:50,250 First commercial clients added. 1305 01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:53,810 2010, $150 million. 1306 01:35:54,550 --> 01:35:57,250 2012, $400 million. 1307 01:35:57,710 --> 01:36:03,890 By 2012, Palantir had achieved something extremely rare for a high -growth 1308 01:36:03,890 --> 01:36:06,170 technology company, profitability. 1309 01:36:07,030 --> 01:36:11,430 They were actually making money, not just burning venture capital. 1310 01:36:12,190 --> 01:36:14,930 Customer revenue breakdown in 2012. 1311 01:36:15,670 --> 01:36:21,250 Government contracts, 60 % of revenue, $240 million. 1312 01:36:22,050 --> 01:36:27,290 Commercial clients, 40 % of revenue, $160 million. 1313 01:36:29,210 --> 01:36:31,250 May 1, 2011. 1314 01:36:32,050 --> 01:36:38,270 Palantir Software plays a role in the operation that kills Osama bin Laden, a 1315 01:36:38,270 --> 01:36:40,410 role that remains partially classified. 1316 01:36:40,940 --> 01:36:43,480 but has been confirmed by multiple sources. 1317 01:36:44,460 --> 01:36:45,960 How Palantir contributed? 1318 01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:50,860 Palantir Gotham integrated dozens of different intelligence sources. 1319 01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,080 CIA human intelligence on courier networks. 1320 01:36:55,440 --> 01:37:01,000 NSA signal intelligence including phone metadata and email communications 1321 01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,000 patterns. 1322 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:09,040 National Geospatial Intelligence Agency satellite imagery of potential compound 1323 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,040 locations. 1324 01:37:10,590 --> 01:37:15,250 historical pattern analysis of previous high -value target operations in 1325 01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:16,250 Pakistan. 1326 01:37:17,570 --> 01:37:22,710 The system identified patterns and connections that human analysts, working 1327 01:37:22,710 --> 01:37:26,410 separate databases, that did not communicate, had missed. 1328 01:37:26,770 --> 01:37:32,350 It narrowed the search area and helped confirm the identity of the Abbottabad 1329 01:37:32,350 --> 01:37:33,350 compound. 1330 01:37:34,370 --> 01:37:39,210 When asked about Palantir's role in the Bin Laden operation, Field gave 1331 01:37:39,210 --> 01:37:40,670 carefully worded response. 1332 01:37:41,230 --> 01:37:46,430 I cannot comment on specific operations or specific clients due to 1333 01:37:46,430 --> 01:37:49,890 classification requirements, but I will say this. 1334 01:37:50,710 --> 01:37:55,790 Tools that help protect American lives and help intelligence professionals do 1335 01:37:55,790 --> 01:37:58,870 their jobs better. That is our mission. 1336 01:38:00,850 --> 01:38:06,940 This single operation, this single success, legitimized Palantir's entire 1337 01:38:06,940 --> 01:38:09,740 proposition to the national security establishment. 1338 01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:14,160 After Bin Laden, the contract poured in. 1339 01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:20,600 After the Bin Laden success, Palantir's government business exploded. 1340 01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,660 Revenue growth from 2012 to 2015. 1341 01:38:25,860 --> 01:38:26,900 2012, 1342 01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,680 $400 million in revenue. 1343 01:38:29,900 --> 01:38:32,820 2013, $600 million. 1344 01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,300 2014, $900 million. 1345 01:38:36,940 --> 01:38:41,140 2015, $1 .5 billion in revenue. 1346 01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,300 Major new contracts announced publicly. 1347 01:38:47,500 --> 01:38:54,240 US Department of Defense, $222 million for a three -year data 1348 01:38:54,240 --> 01:38:56,100 integration platform contract. 1349 01:38:56,660 --> 01:38:58,200 US Army. 1350 01:38:58,830 --> 01:39:04,930 $800 million for comprehensive data platform modernization across all Army 1351 01:39:04,930 --> 01:39:05,930 systems. 1352 01:39:06,090 --> 01:39:08,610 U .S. Special Operations Command. 1353 01:39:09,730 --> 01:39:13,930 $444 million for targeting and intelligence fusion. 1354 01:39:14,710 --> 01:39:16,850 Department of Homeland Security. 1355 01:39:17,670 --> 01:39:22,750 $240 million for border security and immigration enforcement systems. 1356 01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:29,470 Palantir had become the single most important software company in the entire 1357 01:39:29,470 --> 01:39:34,390 .S. defense and intelligence establishment, more important than 1358 01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:38,610 defense contractors, more embedded in classified operations. 1359 01:39:40,250 --> 01:39:45,410 Simultaneously, Palantir launched a commercial product called Palantir 1360 01:39:45,410 --> 01:39:47,310 for private sector clients. 1361 01:39:47,590 --> 01:39:49,850 The sales pitch to corporate America. 1362 01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:54,040 Your company has exactly the same problem as the CIA. 1363 01:39:54,440 --> 01:40:00,200 Too much data. Too many incompatible systems. Not enough insight. 1364 01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:03,380 We can help you find the patterns you are missing. 1365 01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:07,800 Major commercial clients and estimated contract values. 1366 01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:11,600 JP Morgan Chase. 1367 01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:14,060 Over $100 million. 1368 01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,420 Fraud detection and financial crime prevention. 1369 01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:23,680 Morgan Stanley, over $50 million, risk management and regulatory compliance. 1370 01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:30,800 Airbus, over $75 million, supply chain optimization and manufacturing 1371 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:31,800 analytics. 1372 01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:39,640 Merck Pharmaceuticals, over $60 million, drug discovery analytics and clinical 1373 01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,140 trial data integration. 1374 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:44,900 BP, over $80 million. 1375 01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:49,660 Oil field production, optimization, and predictive maintenance. 1376 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,940 Commercial revenue growth from 2015 to 2020. 1377 01:40:55,580 --> 01:41:00,520 In 2015, they got $600 million commercial revenue. 1378 01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,740 By 2016, the number was around $800 billion. 1379 01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:11,980 In 2017, they reached $1 .1 billion in commercial revenue, and it became their 1380 01:41:11,980 --> 01:41:12,980 peak year. 1381 01:41:13,390 --> 01:41:20,370 2018 made them hit the $750 million mark, a temporary decline due to 1382 01:41:20,370 --> 01:41:21,370 churn. 1383 01:41:22,810 --> 01:41:27,930 In 2019, revenue was around $745 million. 1384 01:41:28,630 --> 01:41:33,430 And by 2020, they reached $1 .1 billion again. 1385 01:41:33,790 --> 01:41:38,290 This recovery was driven by COVID analytics contracts. 1386 01:41:39,130 --> 01:41:44,110 Palantir had created a business model with two enormous locked -in customer 1387 01:41:44,110 --> 01:41:49,250 bases, the US government and the largest corporations in the world. 1388 01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:58,210 But Palantir's work, especially for government agencies, attracted intense 1389 01:41:58,210 --> 01:42:00,750 controversy and moral criticism. 1390 01:42:01,350 --> 01:42:06,870 In 2019, they secured a contract with ICE for $49 million. 1391 01:42:08,010 --> 01:42:12,730 The purpose of the contract was enforcement and removal operations 1392 01:42:12,990 --> 01:42:19,770 meaning a software used to identify, track and process undocumented 1393 01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:21,030 for deportation. 1394 01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:24,550 This project came with a controversy attached. 1395 01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:29,350 The software was used during the family separation policy at the southern 1396 01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:34,130 border. Children separated from their parents, families torn apart. 1397 01:42:35,150 --> 01:42:38,610 Palantir software helped make it operationally possible. 1398 01:42:39,330 --> 01:42:44,290 Hundreds of Palantir employees signed an internal letter demanding the company 1399 01:42:44,290 --> 01:42:45,850 cancel the ICE contract. 1400 01:42:47,750 --> 01:42:51,650 They argued the company was enabling human rights abuses. 1401 01:42:52,430 --> 01:42:53,910 Thiel and Karp's response? 1402 01:42:54,630 --> 01:42:55,810 Absolute refusal. 1403 01:42:56,170 --> 01:42:58,050 The contract would continue. 1404 01:42:58,910 --> 01:43:03,350 Alex Karp gave a public statement saying that they had chosen sides. 1405 01:43:03,790 --> 01:43:06,390 and that the company supported American institutions. 1406 01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:11,450 But this was not the only controversy Palantir has faced. 1407 01:43:12,410 --> 01:43:18,550 Palantir worked alongside the NYPD with a contract estimated between $50 and 1408 01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:19,550 $100 billion. 1409 01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:20,970 The mission? 1410 01:43:21,690 --> 01:43:22,850 Predictive policy. 1411 01:43:23,630 --> 01:43:28,950 They were asked to use historical crime data to predict where future crimes will 1412 01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:32,630 occur and who is likely to commit them. The controversy? 1413 01:43:33,390 --> 01:43:37,850 Civil rights groups argued that systems perpetuated racial bias. 1414 01:43:38,630 --> 01:43:41,630 Minority neighborhoods were flagged as high risk. 1415 01:43:42,210 --> 01:43:46,710 Innocent people were put under surveillance based on algorithmic 1416 01:43:48,250 --> 01:43:54,730 Joe Lonsdale, Palantir co -founder, had made a personal investment in Cambridge 1417 01:43:54,730 --> 01:44:00,400 Analytica. Multiple Palantir employees, on their own time, helped Cambridge 1418 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,080 Analytica build data integration models. 1419 01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:10,520 Both companies used similar approaches to data harvesting and psychological 1420 01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:16,540 profiling. When the connection was exposed by journalists, Palantir claimed 1421 01:44:16,540 --> 01:44:22,200 there was no institutional relationship, just coincidental personal connections. 1422 01:44:23,550 --> 01:44:26,410 But the damage to Palantir's reputation was done. 1423 01:44:26,770 --> 01:44:32,650 Thiel had built the Panopticon, the all -seeing eye of corporate and government 1424 01:44:32,650 --> 01:44:33,650 surveillance. 1425 01:44:34,510 --> 01:44:36,630 September 30, 2020. 1426 01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:43,170 After 17 years with a private company, one of the longest periods of private 1427 01:44:43,170 --> 01:44:48,950 operation for any major tech company, Palantir finally goes public through a 1428 01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:50,030 direct listing. 1429 01:44:51,950 --> 01:44:57,770 They went public at $10 per share, and their market capitalization at market 1430 01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:59,850 open was $16 billion. 1431 01:45:00,890 --> 01:45:07,150 By the first day, shares were down 5%. The stock was initially a 1432 01:45:08,010 --> 01:45:12,230 Investors were skeptical of the business model, worried about customer 1433 01:45:12,230 --> 01:45:15,330 concentration, concerned about the controversy. 1434 01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:21,940 But then COVID -19 created massive new demand for Palantir's capabilities. 1435 01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:29,260 2020 to 2021, Palantir wins enormous pandemic -related government contracts 1436 01:45:29,260 --> 01:45:31,520 with governments across the world. 1437 01:45:31,860 --> 01:45:36,860 The pandemic proved that governments needed Palantir, and the market 1438 01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:43,860 By late 2021, Palantir stock had exploded, $29 per share. 1439 01:45:44,780 --> 01:45:51,380 At 190 % gain from the direct listing price, market capitalization $60 1440 01:45:51,380 --> 01:45:52,380 billion. 1441 01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,040 Peter Thiel's stake. 1442 01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:03,100 Approximately 7 % ownership, worth $4 .2 billion at the peak. 1443 01:46:03,860 --> 01:46:08,340 2022. The tech crash hits Palantir brutally hard. 1444 01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:14,140 Stock prices crashed to $6 per share, down 8 % from the peak. 1445 01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,440 Market cap collapses to $13 billion. 1446 01:46:18,820 --> 01:46:22,160 Seals paper wealth from Palantir evaporates. 1447 01:46:22,460 --> 01:46:23,560 Billions gone. 1448 01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:29,700 2023 to 2024, the AI boom creates new opportunities. 1449 01:46:30,340 --> 01:46:34,820 Palantir markets itself as the AI platform for governments and 1450 01:46:35,380 --> 01:46:38,000 And they get major new contract wins. 1451 01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:45,720 The U .S. Army invested $463 million for AI -powered battlefield analytics and 1452 01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:47,140 decision support systems. 1453 01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:54,120 Palantir stock recovered, 25 to 30 per share by 2024. 1454 01:46:55,280 --> 01:47:01,800 As of 2024, Peter Thiel's current Palantir holdings are approximately 7 % 1455 01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:08,290 shares, with the current value ranging from 3 .8 % to $4 .5 billion, depending 1456 01:47:08,290 --> 01:47:09,890 on daily stock price. 1457 01:47:13,390 --> 01:47:19,490 This makes Palantir Field's single largest source of personal wealth. 1458 01:47:20,070 --> 01:47:26,110 In 2024, Palantir's financial performance was divided between 1459 01:47:26,110 --> 01:47:27,190 commercial revenues. 1460 01:47:27,550 --> 01:47:32,250 The company's net income was $2 .5 billion annually. 1461 01:47:32,990 --> 01:47:37,430 And, as big as the number is, this might represent a future problem for the 1462 01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:42,510 company. If government budget cuts happen, Palantir is extremely 1463 01:47:43,210 --> 01:47:47,190 Their entire business model depends on continued government spending. 1464 01:47:48,650 --> 01:47:51,650 Here is Peter Thiel's fundamental contradiction. 1465 01:47:52,250 --> 01:47:56,650 The paradox at the heart of everything he has built, he claims to be a 1466 01:47:56,650 --> 01:48:00,830 libertarian who values individual freedom above all else. 1467 01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:05,800 A man who believes government power should be minimal. A man who wrote that 1468 01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,580 freedom and democracy are incompatible. 1469 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:14,480 Yet, he built the most powerful private surveillance technology company in human 1470 01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:20,520 history. A company that gives governments and corporations 1471 01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:24,800 to monitor, track, predict and control human behavior. 1472 01:48:25,860 --> 01:48:31,030 Palantir's technical capabilities include real -time tracking, of 1473 01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:34,030 across multiple data sources and databases. 1474 01:48:37,070 --> 01:48:42,410 Predictive behavioral modeling that forecasts what people will do before 1475 01:48:42,410 --> 01:48:48,270 it. Network analysis that maps every person you have ever contacted through 1476 01:48:48,270 --> 01:48:54,090 medium. Complete integration of financial records, communication 1477 01:48:54,650 --> 01:48:56,030 location history. 1478 01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:00,820 and social relationship data into a single unified profile. 1479 01:49:01,940 --> 01:49:07,360 Thiel's defense of this contradiction was explaining that the alternative to 1480 01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,020 Palantir is not no surveillance. 1481 01:49:10,820 --> 01:49:16,120 The alternative is worse surveillance performed by incompetent government 1482 01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:20,860 bureaucrats using decades -old technology that does not work properly. 1483 01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,960 The critics' response was obvious. 1484 01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:33,540 They told Thiel he had built the Panopticon, the architecture of total 1485 01:49:33,540 --> 01:49:38,740 surveillance, a system allowing governments around the world to use 1486 01:49:38,740 --> 01:49:43,820 citizens' information to control them, not a system to protect them, said the 1487 01:49:43,820 --> 01:49:44,820 critics. 1488 01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:50,780 Palantir now operates in dozens of countries worldwide, the United States, 1489 01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:53,020 United Kingdom, Germany, France. 1490 01:49:53,530 --> 01:49:58,890 australia and even japan the company has some controversial international 1491 01:49:58,890 --> 01:50:05,550 clients some confirmed some alleged but the total estimated value of all 1492 01:50:05,550 --> 01:50:11,330 global contracts lifetime over 10 billion dollars in contract value 1493 01:50:11,330 --> 01:50:18,230 palantir is peter thiel's most important company not because of 1494 01:50:18,230 --> 01:50:24,200 its valuation though that is substantial not because of its revenue So that is 1495 01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:30,500 significant. Palantir is important because it reveals the truth about 1496 01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:35,820 worldview. It is the bridge between his libertarian philosophy and his 1497 01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:37,300 authoritarian reality. 1498 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,140 He claims to want freedom from government control. 1499 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:47,540 But Palantir gives governments unprecedented control over their 1500 01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,960 The resolution of this apparent contradiction 1501 01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:57,840 Peter Thiel believes in freedom for the elite and surveillance for everyone 1502 01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:58,840 else. 1503 01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:04,480 In his vision of the world, there are rulers and there are the ruled. 1504 01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:09,740 There are the people who make the decisions and the people who are 1505 01:51:10,460 --> 01:51:16,560 Palantir is the enforcement mechanism for that hierarchy, the technology that 1506 01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,880 ensures the rulers can see everything. 1507 01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:25,480 the system that makes resistance impossible because privacy no longer 1508 01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:31,760 And Peter Thiel sits at the center of that eye, watching the world, seeing 1509 01:51:31,760 --> 01:51:35,640 everything, the architect of the surveillance state. 1510 01:51:40,140 --> 01:51:46,340 In 2016, Peter Thiel made an investment that every other major technology 1511 01:51:46,340 --> 01:51:47,440 investor avoided. 1512 01:51:49,710 --> 01:51:54,190 While his peers in Silicon Valley were contributing millions to the opposing 1513 01:51:54,190 --> 01:52:00,610 campaign, Thiel wrote a check for $1 .25 million to Donald Trump's presidential 1514 01:52:00,610 --> 01:52:03,730 campaign. This was not ideology. 1515 01:52:04,010 --> 01:52:07,250 This was portfolio diversification. 1516 01:52:08,210 --> 01:52:12,310 Thiel has always invested in contrarian positions. 1517 01:52:12,930 --> 01:52:15,770 When everyone zigs, he zags. 1518 01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:22,350 When consensus forms in one direction, He looked for asymmetric opportunities 1519 01:52:22,350 --> 01:52:23,009 the other. 1520 01:52:23,010 --> 01:52:29,590 The 2006 donation gave him something money usually cannot buy in Silicon 1521 01:52:29,770 --> 01:52:33,070 direct access to executive power. 1522 01:52:33,530 --> 01:52:37,430 The return on that $1 .25 million investment? 1523 01:52:38,170 --> 01:52:41,890 A seat on the presidential transition team. 1524 01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:45,330 Input on federal technology policy. 1525 01:52:46,140 --> 01:52:51,400 direct communication channels to the White House, credibility as a Washington 1526 01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:52,480 power broker. 1527 01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:59,500 And, most measurably, Palantir's government contracts increased 1528 01:52:59,500 --> 01:53:01,120 during this period. 1529 01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:07,900 But Thiel's most significant political investments came in the 2022 midterm 1530 01:53:07,900 --> 01:53:13,980 elections. Two candidates, both former employees, both running. 1531 01:53:14,360 --> 01:53:15,760 for United States Senate. 1532 01:53:16,140 --> 01:53:20,240 The financial commitment was unprecedented in scale. 1533 01:53:21,380 --> 01:53:26,420 Vance had worked at Thiel's venture capital firm before writing his best 1534 01:53:26,420 --> 01:53:32,020 -selling memoir, Thiel's Total Financial Commitment. Direct campaign 1535 01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:34,620 contribution, $15 million. 1536 01:53:35,460 --> 01:53:37,360 Super PAC expenditures, 1537 01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:39,100 $5 million. 1538 01:53:39,620 --> 01:53:42,400 Combined investment, $20 million. 1539 01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:49,320 This set a record as the largest single donor contribution to an individual 1540 01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,880 Senate campaign in American history. 1541 01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:53,380 The outcome? 1542 01:53:53,660 --> 01:53:56,500 Vance won by six percentage points. 1543 01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:02,960 Masters had worked directly for Thiel as chief operating officer at Thiel 1544 01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:03,960 Capital. 1545 01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:09,240 Thiel's financial commitment to his campaign was a combined investment of 1546 01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:14,750 million. But unlike Vance, Masters... lost by 5 percentage points. 1547 01:54:15,570 --> 01:54:22,370 Thiel's total 2022 midterm investment was over $40 million in two Senate 1548 01:54:22,890 --> 01:54:27,490 Two different candidates that would have allowed him to be in direct touch with 1549 01:54:27,490 --> 01:54:29,670 power at different chambers and stages. 1550 01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:35,810 For context, the average competitive Senate race cost approximately $10 1551 01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:41,390 total. Peter Thiel invested four times that amount on two races. 1552 01:54:44,460 --> 01:54:46,000 It's July 2024. 1553 01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:51,620 J .D. Vance is selected as the Republican vice presidential candidate. 1554 01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:57,980 From a pure investment analysis perspective, this transforms the return 1555 01:54:57,980 --> 01:55:00,080 and seals $20 million commitment. 1556 01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:06,200 He has considered the potential financial implications if this ticket 1557 01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:11,440 he gets access to executive branch decision -making for eight years. 1558 01:55:12,110 --> 01:55:16,810 Influence over federal contract allocation across multiple agencies. 1559 01:55:17,410 --> 01:55:22,530 Input on technology regulation affecting sales portfolio companies. 1560 01:55:24,510 --> 01:55:29,490 If we consider what's the estimated return on investment for Palantir's 1561 01:55:29,490 --> 01:55:35,610 government business, what we see is current annual government revenue of $1 1562 01:55:35,610 --> 01:55:36,610 billion. 1563 01:55:37,630 --> 01:55:41,210 Potential additional contract value over eight years. 1564 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:44,220 conservatively $5 -10 billion. 1565 01:55:46,460 --> 01:55:52,900 Anduril and other defense companies in SEAL's network, potential $3 -5 billion 1566 01:55:52,900 --> 01:55:54,000 in contracts. 1567 01:55:54,820 --> 01:56:01,060 Regulatory treatment of cryptocurrency holdings, value potentially in tens of 1568 01:56:01,060 --> 01:56:02,060 billions. 1569 01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:11,850 The theoretical return of those $20 million invested is potentially 15 to 20 1570 01:56:11,850 --> 01:56:14,130 billion captured across the portfolio. 1571 01:56:14,730 --> 01:56:20,770 That represents a potential of 750 to 1000 times return. 1572 01:56:21,190 --> 01:56:26,470 By comparison, Thiel's Facebook investment returned 2000 times. 1573 01:56:27,210 --> 01:56:33,850 To sum it up, the complete political spending of Thiel from 2016 to 2022 1574 01:56:33,850 --> 01:56:36,990 is 70 to 80 million dollars. 1575 01:56:37,450 --> 01:56:42,180 For context, Amazon spends $20 million annually on lobbying. 1576 01:56:42,420 --> 01:56:45,580 Meta spends $20 million annual on lobbying. 1577 01:56:45,940 --> 01:56:49,600 Google spends $12 million annually on lobbying. 1578 01:56:50,260 --> 01:56:52,040 Thiel's approach is different. 1579 01:56:52,300 --> 01:56:58,300 Rather than ongoing lobbying expenditures, he makes concentrated 1580 01:56:58,300 --> 01:57:03,720 individual candidates who potentially provide access for years or decades. 1581 01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:09,620 It is the venture capital model applied to politics. 1582 01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:13,460 Make early -stage investments in promising candidates. 1583 01:57:14,020 --> 01:57:17,240 Provide sufficient capital to help them win. 1584 01:57:17,680 --> 01:57:21,720 Capture value through long -term relationships and access. 1585 01:57:22,260 --> 01:57:27,080 The candidates Steele has supported now serve on key committees. 1586 01:57:27,860 --> 01:57:33,440 Technology regulation, defense appropriations, intelligence oversight. 1587 01:57:34,220 --> 01:57:36,360 banking and financial services. 1588 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:42,460 Precisely the committees that oversee industries where Thiel has billions 1589 01:57:42,460 --> 01:57:46,060 invested and where he can use some privileged information. 1590 01:57:47,180 --> 01:57:50,860 Is political investment a good use of capital? 1591 01:57:51,340 --> 01:57:54,000 The mathematics suggest yes. 1592 01:57:54,620 --> 01:57:59,840 70 to 80 million represents less than 1 % of Thiel's net worth. 1593 01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:01,640 The potential return? 1594 01:58:02,140 --> 01:58:07,220 if access translates to favourable treatment for portfolio companies, could 1595 01:58:07,220 --> 01:58:08,220 worth billions. 1596 01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:14,420 Even with a 50 % success rate, the expected value is positive by orders of 1597 01:58:14,420 --> 01:58:15,420 magnitude. 1598 01:58:15,600 --> 01:58:19,340 Investment, 70 to 80 million over 8 years. 1599 01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:24,600 Potential value captured, 15 to 30 billion across portfolio. 1600 01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:30,540 Expected return, 200 to 400 times invested capital. 1601 01:58:32,590 --> 01:58:36,430 That rivals the best venture capital returns in history. 1602 01:58:37,150 --> 01:58:39,350 Peter Thiel is not playing politics. 1603 01:58:39,710 --> 01:58:42,250 He is optimizing his portfolio. 1604 01:58:45,610 --> 01:58:52,430 Chapter 7 The Final Exit Peter Thiel has spent his life betting on the 1605 01:58:52,430 --> 01:58:55,910 future, building it, funding it, accelerating it. 1606 01:58:56,190 --> 01:59:00,470 But there is one frontier he refuses to accept as fixed. 1607 01:59:00,890 --> 01:59:01,890 Death. 1608 01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,480 To him, mortality is not destiny. 1609 01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:09,340 It is an engineering problem waiting for a breakthrough. 1610 01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:14,720 And like every other system he has challenged, he believes this one too can 1611 01:59:14,720 --> 01:59:20,600 redesigned. While others plan for retirement, Thiel funds longevity labs. 1612 01:59:20,940 --> 01:59:25,160 While governments plan for decades, he thinks in centuries. 1613 01:59:25,820 --> 01:59:30,840 If time is the ultimate constraint on power, then extending life... is the 1614 01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:31,840 ultimate leverage. 1615 01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:35,460 At the edge of the world, he built a refuge. 1616 01:59:35,900 --> 01:59:42,740 Far from political centers, far from social unrest, close only to time. 1617 01:59:43,060 --> 01:59:48,360 In Silicon Valley, there is a dark joke shared quietly among founders and 1618 01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:49,360 investors. 1619 01:59:49,740 --> 01:59:53,300 How many billionaires does it take to buy a country? 1620 01:59:54,500 --> 01:59:58,580 Just one, if he is smart enough to get there first. 1621 02:00:01,580 --> 02:00:06,700 He invested in digital currencies that governments cannot print, in 1622 02:00:06,700 --> 02:00:11,780 systems that see what others cannot, in political candidates who might 145008

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