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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,332 --> 00:00:51,843 Kenneth Anger - Film as Magical Ritual 2 00:02:03,481 --> 00:02:08,278 In one of his earlier films, Shiva, Kali and Pan appeared 3 00:02:08,398 --> 00:02:12,276 As well as the Great Beast from the Apocalypse and the Whore of Babylon 4 00:02:12,396 --> 00:02:16,674 Isis and Osiris, and Cesare from The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari 5 00:02:16,794 --> 00:02:19,827 His last film was called Invocation of My Demon Brother 6 00:02:19,947 --> 00:02:23,436 while the film he is shooting now is dedicated to Lucifer 7 00:02:23,556 --> 00:02:26,114 the banned Angel of Light. 8 00:02:26,754 --> 00:02:32,983 Essentially, Kenneth Anger is a spiritual, a religious artist. 9 00:02:33,103 --> 00:02:34,959 But he is not a Christian 10 00:02:35,079 --> 00:02:37,175 He considers himself to be a member of the Gnostic Church 11 00:02:37,295 --> 00:02:42,938 which still has a few followers, despite millennia-old suppression by Christianity 12 00:02:43,637 --> 00:02:46,955 The Gnostics had a dualistic concept of the cosmos 13 00:02:47,075 --> 00:02:52,454 ruled by an eternal battle of Good vs. Evil, Light vs. Darkness 14 00:02:52,574 --> 00:02:59,090 As in Christianity, there is a hope for Light's final victory. 15 00:03:23,715 --> 00:03:27,092 Kenneth Anger's religion is a religion of Light. 16 00:03:27,212 --> 00:03:32,278 And he worships it with his films as an icon painter his saints. 17 00:03:47,821 --> 00:03:49,626 Lucifer means Bearer of Light 18 00:03:49,746 --> 00:03:52,711 That is how the Romans called Venus, the morning star 19 00:03:52,831 --> 00:03:53,968 that announced sunrise. 20 00:03:54,573 --> 00:03:57,044 My concept goes back to Gnosticism 21 00:03:57,164 --> 00:03:58,550 suppressed by Christianity 22 00:03:59,016 --> 00:04:03,052 Christianity perfidiously turned the God of Light into the Devil 23 00:04:03,172 --> 00:04:05,784 kept the horns, but added malevolence 24 00:04:30,730 --> 00:04:32,934 I am casting types, not actors 25 00:04:33,054 --> 00:04:35,620 and I select them by astrological signs 26 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:39,159 I have found somebody who is Aries and a fire sign 27 00:04:53,946 --> 00:04:58,898 Now I am on my third choice, and I hope three will turn out a lucky number 28 00:05:05,889 --> 00:05:14,086 I choose them for their elementary power, representing demons or angels 29 00:05:25,337 --> 00:05:30,227 Anger's films are images of spiritual worlds made visible 30 00:05:30,347 --> 00:05:32,882 His visuals are entirely produced by imagination 31 00:05:33,002 --> 00:05:36,561 He can only accept real life footage by assimilating it 32 00:05:36,681 --> 00:05:41,684 His films are even more fictious than usual feature films 33 00:05:41,804 --> 00:05:45,223 While these imitate the reality of this society 34 00:05:45,343 --> 00:05:48,995 Anger is creating a different reality 35 00:05:49,554 --> 00:05:53,699 Anger never had any affinity with documentary film-making 36 00:05:53,819 --> 00:05:57,332 When we asked him to make a documentary portrait of his 37 00:05:57,452 --> 00:06:02,013 to film him during shootings 38 00:06:02,133 --> 00:06:04,994 and to talk about himself and his work 39 00:06:05,114 --> 00:06:09,232 he showed only little understanding. 40 00:06:09,791 --> 00:06:15,705 It was difficult to convince him to do this portrait at all. 41 00:06:28,347 --> 00:06:31,001 When he finally agreed to collaborate 42 00:06:31,121 --> 00:06:35,100 it meant for him working on a portrait and interview 43 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:38,360 he envisioned to be mostly fictious and staged. 44 00:06:38,919 --> 00:06:42,458 He thought it impossible to answer questions while working 45 00:06:42,578 --> 00:06:44,833 He rather wanted to carefully prepare his answers. 46 00:06:45,346 --> 00:06:50,422 And so he built a sort of altar, behind which he made his statements 47 00:06:50,542 --> 00:06:52,005 robed as magician and artist. 48 00:07:04,099 --> 00:07:06,474 To me magic is the background of all life. 49 00:07:06,594 --> 00:07:09,408 There is no difference for me between magic in daily life 50 00:07:09,528 --> 00:07:10,805 or within special circumstances 51 00:07:46,689 --> 00:07:49,344 By means of technique I summon spirits to do my bidding 52 00:07:49,464 --> 00:07:55,212 I invoke elementary powers such as electricity, light and color 53 00:07:56,795 --> 00:08:02,151 When being watched Anger took care to direct himself, too 54 00:08:02,271 --> 00:08:05,201 Here he is filming figures representing "Lucifer" and "Lilith" 55 00:08:05,321 --> 00:08:07,949 but he does not, as one would assume, position himself behind the camera 56 00:08:08,069 --> 00:08:11,589 but rather behind the table, so we are getting a better sight of him. 57 00:08:17,429 --> 00:08:20,176 He even steps into his own frame 58 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,126 making the material unusable 59 00:08:23,374 --> 00:08:25,082 He does it in order to help us. 60 00:08:25,202 --> 00:08:28,864 help us create a portrait as he imagines it: 61 00:08:28,984 --> 00:08:31,487 a staged portrait. 62 00:08:42,931 --> 00:08:46,920 Later, when he finally agrees to leave his altar 63 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,402 he is still not speaking out of an actual working situation 64 00:08:51,522 --> 00:08:54,289 but again out of carefully arranged stagings. 65 00:09:22,947 --> 00:09:25,244 The wolf is war's sacred animal 66 00:09:25,364 --> 00:09:27,371 And this is the head of a sacred man 67 00:09:27,491 --> 00:09:29,785 For me this is the sacrifised Maharishi 68 00:09:30,187 --> 00:09:33,245 In other words: the triumph of Magic over Mysticism 69 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:36,645 Magic is action, whilst mysticism is withdrawal from action. 70 00:10:05,808 --> 00:10:08,835 To repeat: magic is no conjuring trick 71 00:10:08,955 --> 00:10:12,165 Magic means to make the forces of the universe 72 00:10:12,285 --> 00:10:14,106 work for and not against us. 73 00:10:21,356 --> 00:10:26,665 I began this film in the sign of Aquarius, and I do hope the forces are on my side. 74 00:10:27,385 --> 00:10:29,806 If I can actually finish this film 75 00:10:29,926 --> 00:10:33,191 it will be as much as anything a demonstration that these things can work 76 00:10:33,577 --> 00:10:36,061 Because I am violating a lot of frontiers in this films. 77 00:11:13,533 --> 00:11:16,374 The mage by walking around the magic circle 78 00:11:16,494 --> 00:11:18,988 charges it with secret powers 79 00:11:19,270 --> 00:11:21,211 He creates a sort of electrical field, as Anger puts it. 80 00:11:29,764 --> 00:11:31,580 The concept of the magic circle 81 00:11:31,700 --> 00:11:34,234 can already be found in Anger's earlier work. 82 00:11:35,118 --> 00:11:38,331 In his latest film, "Invocation of my Demon Brother" 83 00:11:38,642 --> 00:11:40,427 he also plays the part of the magician himself. 84 00:11:58,425 --> 00:12:01,142 This short film was the result of Anger's first attempt 85 00:12:01,390 --> 00:12:03,020 to shoot "Lucifer Rising". 86 00:12:16,271 --> 00:12:19,314 I found a new actor, replacing the one who jumped from a roof 87 00:12:19,434 --> 00:12:21,223 He believed himself to be a bird. 88 00:12:21,343 --> 00:12:23,738 My second Lucifer was a young guitar player 89 00:12:54,811 --> 00:13:00,446 He stole part of my film, so I had to begin again. 90 00:13:06,924 --> 00:13:12,094 And this film I had left I made into an eleven minute film 91 00:13:12,214 --> 00:13:14,236 called "Invocation of my Demon Brother" 92 00:14:48,097 --> 00:14:53,126 In "Inauguration" and "Invocation" intoxicating substances play an important role 93 00:15:07,625 --> 00:15:10,098 The Dionysian includes intoxication as a sacred element 94 00:15:10,218 --> 00:15:15,449 Intoxication by dancing, alcohol, drugs or crapulency 95 00:15:22,471 --> 00:15:26,668 In "Inauguration" I have the participants in this ritual take a substance 96 00:15:26,788 --> 00:15:28,205 according to tradition. 97 00:15:28,624 --> 00:15:30,844 At Witches' Sabbath there was a witches' brew 98 00:15:30,964 --> 00:15:35,343 There were always different substances to be eaten or drunk 99 00:15:48,189 --> 00:15:50,657 In "Inauguration" the substance implied is a sacred mushroom 100 00:15:50,777 --> 00:15:54,563 Known by the American Indians as well as by the Tibetans 101 00:15:54,683 --> 00:15:58,506 It is a traditional means to reach another level of consciousness 102 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:18,878 The characters reach the astral level 103 00:16:18,998 --> 00:16:21,160 They get "high", so to speak 104 00:16:21,470 --> 00:16:23,519 They actually become the Gods and Godesses 105 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:25,615 they were just playing when they began 106 00:16:36,243 --> 00:16:39,798 Drugs play an important part in other films of Anger as well 107 00:16:41,241 --> 00:16:44,548 Hashish in "Invocation of my Demon Brother" 108 00:17:10,066 --> 00:17:14,909 Nicotine and cocaine in "Scorpio Rising" 109 00:18:28,534 --> 00:18:32,476 "Inauguration" was influenced by certain ideas of Aleister Crowley 110 00:18:32,596 --> 00:18:35,147 especially the "dramatic ritual" 111 00:18:35,509 --> 00:18:39,281 The participants of the ritual play the parts of Gods or Godesses 112 00:18:39,401 --> 00:18:41,706 and they accept the mythological consequences 113 00:18:42,016 --> 00:18:45,727 My brotherhood celebrates this ritual on the occasion of certain festivities 114 00:19:28,253 --> 00:19:31,513 The Great Beast and The Whore assume the role of High Priests of magic 115 00:19:57,769 --> 00:20:02,098 At a certain moment in the film there appears, very briefly, 116 00:20:02,219 --> 00:20:03,791 the head of an elderly man. 117 00:20:04,101 --> 00:20:08,277 This is Aleister Crowley, the man on whom Anger bases his philosophy 118 00:20:08,397 --> 00:20:09,934 and whose disciple he considers himself to be. 119 00:20:14,669 --> 00:20:18,209 Occultist, globetrotter, magician and painter 120 00:20:18,329 --> 00:20:22,652 an exceptional figure in modern occultism 121 00:20:23,832 --> 00:20:26,735 Next to a series of writings for the initiated 122 00:20:26,855 --> 00:20:29,694 he wrote the benchmark book "Magick in Theory and Practice" 123 00:20:29,814 --> 00:20:34,336 He founded the Order of the Silver Star and Thelema Abbey 124 00:20:37,549 --> 00:20:42,579 I understand that it was Crowley who influenced your magical thinking 125 00:20:42,699 --> 00:20:44,517 When did this begin? 126 00:20:44,637 --> 00:20:47,591 When did you first come across Crowley's ideas? 127 00:20:53,653 --> 00:20:59,739 I first met his ideas in 1950, through some of his followers in California 128 00:20:59,859 --> 00:21:04,417 Later I went to Sicily, where he had founded an abbey 129 00:21:04,976 --> 00:21:11,263 It was actually an old, ruined farmhouse 130 00:21:16,806 --> 00:21:21,370 I removed the white paint applied by Mussolini's policemen 131 00:21:29,967 --> 00:21:34,981 Crowley had a penchant for erotic and maybe obscene motives 132 00:21:35,101 --> 00:21:39,388 As in this painting, where he depicts himself as a phallus 133 00:21:42,446 --> 00:21:44,713 In 1953, the American sex researcher Kinsey 134 00:21:44,833 --> 00:21:48,407 found Anger's discoveries interesting enough 135 00:21:48,527 --> 00:21:52,259 to come to Sicily himself to see Crowley's erotic frescos 136 00:21:52,973 --> 00:21:55,162 Anger shot a film about the frescos 137 00:21:55,282 --> 00:21:58,344 aired on British TV in 1953 138 00:21:58,464 --> 00:22:00,005 unfortunately though the print is lost 139 00:22:01,889 --> 00:22:06,655 It would not do justice to Crowley to merely view him as eroticist and adventurer 140 00:22:06,775 --> 00:22:10,968 or, as during his lifetime, as dangerous psychopath and wicked seducer 141 00:22:12,117 --> 00:22:15,983 The strong erotic or rather pan-sexual components of his teachings 142 00:22:16,103 --> 00:22:21,538 induced abhorrence and disgust among his contemporaries 143 00:22:21,802 --> 00:22:24,130 Today he might be better understood. 144 00:22:24,852 --> 00:22:27,414 Today a Crowley renaissance is on it's way 145 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:32,665 1969 a biography and his autobiography were published in the UK 146 00:22:33,612 --> 00:22:38,036 Crowley was influenced by Eastern mysticism, ancient oriental ideas 147 00:22:38,156 --> 00:22:41,374 Egyptian esoteric doctrines as well as the Kabbala and Gnosticism 148 00:22:41,494 --> 00:22:47,149 Fundamental for his teachings was the gnostic, dualistic notion 149 00:22:47,269 --> 00:22:49,571 of the eternal battle between light and darkness 150 00:22:49,691 --> 00:22:53,044 with Lucifer, ejected by revengeful Jehovah, rehabilitated 151 00:22:53,164 --> 00:22:55,885 as the embodiment of Light. 152 00:22:56,146 --> 00:22:58,087 Anger took this idea from Crowley. 153 00:23:11,637 --> 00:23:15,937 In his writings I found the essence of everything I have ever believed in. 154 00:23:16,309 --> 00:23:20,470 His philosophical thoughts are in these small, sacred books 155 00:23:41,464 --> 00:23:46,742 I don't need real gold if I can create the illusion of gold by artifical means 156 00:23:46,862 --> 00:23:51,976 I never had much money for my films, which is why I play with them like a child 157 00:23:52,256 --> 00:23:54,802 I take a few elements and make my little universe 158 00:23:54,922 --> 00:23:56,618 This is Crowleyan magick! 159 00:24:03,907 --> 00:24:07,742 And ever since this time you have been a member of Crowley's brotherhood. 160 00:24:07,862 --> 00:24:10,098 Your films are basically religious films 161 00:24:16,075 --> 00:24:19,118 I want to show the ritual technique of magic 162 00:24:19,238 --> 00:24:21,648 and how this spirit is elevated into a second state 163 00:24:21,768 --> 00:24:25,855 where he can communicate with the other world or dimension 164 00:24:35,063 --> 00:24:42,654 In "Scorpio Rising" you showed more of the reality of this society than in other films 165 00:24:42,774 --> 00:24:46,892 You seemed to be fascinated by physical strength 166 00:24:47,012 --> 00:24:48,894 maybe even violence 167 00:24:49,014 --> 00:24:53,138 What is your relation to violence, and to these motorbike fans? 168 00:24:53,643 --> 00:25:02,077 I see in a phenomenon like these motorcycle gangs a tribal impulse 169 00:25:03,648 --> 00:25:07,779 subconscious and primitive 170 00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:16,326 They literally don't know what they are doing 171 00:26:16,446 --> 00:26:18,934 They would have been outraged, if I had told them 172 00:26:19,054 --> 00:26:21,812 A Witches' Sabbath at Halloween in Brooklyn 173 00:26:22,246 --> 00:26:23,690 A sort of travesty, no? 174 00:26:23,810 --> 00:26:27,985 Well, it is, but Aleister Crowley teaches us to appreciate 175 00:26:28,105 --> 00:26:32,238 what he calls the "cosmic joke" 176 00:26:34,063 --> 00:26:38,813 Meaning that everything in life can be seen under a profane or a sacred aspect 177 00:26:38,933 --> 00:26:43,114 What seems serious from one viewpoint can be comical from another 178 00:26:43,397 --> 00:26:46,812 Human life is either a big tragedy or a big comedy 179 00:26:46,932 --> 00:26:49,917 I as a magician take both viewpoints. 180 00:26:57,278 --> 00:27:03,798 In "Scorpio" you combined these gangs with the symbol of the Swastika 181 00:27:03,918 --> 00:27:05,801 with pictures of SA-Men and Hitler 182 00:27:24,183 --> 00:27:31,681 That seems to be another sort of travesty of magical ideas 183 00:27:31,801 --> 00:27:34,056 It's an abuse of magical ideas 184 00:27:34,176 --> 00:27:41,042 because the Swastika is an ancient symbol of the sun and of happiness 185 00:27:41,162 --> 00:27:48,866 The Indians had it, the Hindus, the Chinese... 186 00:27:50,682 --> 00:27:58,174 Hitler got hold of a powerful symbol, and then used this to blind people 187 00:28:02,086 --> 00:28:07,535 I am not a Christian, but I think the cross has been abused in a similar way 188 00:28:07,655 --> 00:28:13,683 All the massacres in America happened under the sign of the cross 189 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:19,551 That society's violence might have a hidden mythical meaning 190 00:28:19,671 --> 00:28:25,838 was a thesis that Kenneth Anger, merely 17 yo, tried to demonstrate in "Fireworks" 191 00:28:25,958 --> 00:28:29,610 A young man is brutally beaten by a group of sailors 192 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:33,382 a violent travesty of a rite of passage 193 00:30:25,473 --> 00:30:32,878 In "Fireworks" I play myself as a seeker of light 194 00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:39,585 Translated as the story of somebody lacking matches who goes looking for fire 195 00:30:39,705 --> 00:30:45,732 And it ends with him getting initiated 196 00:31:08,785 --> 00:31:15,911 Lucifer is actually in my film as somebody whose head bursts into flames 197 00:31:16,031 --> 00:31:21,918 I painted this directly on the film. I always have do it as simple as possible. 198 00:31:43,854 --> 00:31:51,398 From this film, made in 1947, leads a direct path to "Lucifer Rising" in 1970. 199 00:31:51,518 --> 00:31:55,840 Even if he didn't use the name of "Lucifer" 200 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,711 Anger tried to find the God of Light already 20 years ago. 201 00:32:00,332 --> 00:32:01,822 The forms have changed 202 00:32:01,942 --> 00:32:03,716 but the overall idea stayed the same 203 00:32:04,075 --> 00:32:06,854 even if Anger had to take a few detours in between 204 00:32:18,071 --> 00:32:22,946 Also still the same is his fascination with the artifical, the world of illusion 205 00:32:23,287 --> 00:32:26,802 He grew up in Hollywood, close to the big studios 206 00:32:27,268 --> 00:32:28,789 And this influenced him until today. 207 00:32:30,807 --> 00:32:34,098 You have met the world of Hollywood at an early age 208 00:32:34,218 --> 00:32:36,861 and Hollywood always held a certain spell for you 209 00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:45,291 For better or worse, I made my first contact with Hollywood when I was 4 years old 210 00:32:45,411 --> 00:32:48,938 I appeared in Max Reinhardt's "Midsummer Night's Dream" 211 00:32:49,058 --> 00:32:53,642 This world of illusion was very exciting for a child in my age 212 00:32:53,762 --> 00:32:59,184 I never quite got rid of the wish to play around in a big studio 213 00:32:59,304 --> 00:33:01,000 But that is impossible, of course. 214 00:33:27,809 --> 00:33:31,023 But you have made a film about Hollywood, or at least were planning to. 215 00:33:31,143 --> 00:33:34,609 Was this connected to your nostalgic memories? 216 00:33:43,293 --> 00:33:46,677 In the late 40s, a section of Hollywood was threatened with destruction 217 00:33:46,797 --> 00:33:49,689 Right were the very first stars had build their palaces 218 00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:53,687 Rudy Valentino, Barbara LaMarr, Clara Bow and others... 219 00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:59,198 I wanted to pay hommage to the fantasy architecture of the Twenties 220 00:33:59,318 --> 00:34:01,001 the Golden Age of Hollywood 221 00:34:01,121 --> 00:34:04,418 a lost civilisation, dead like Babylon 222 00:34:04,538 --> 00:34:06,886 vanished like a ghost or a dream 223 00:34:07,367 --> 00:34:09,463 The film was to be called "Puce Women" 224 00:34:21,769 --> 00:34:24,289 But I only managed to do eight minutes of it 225 00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:26,509 even though the whole film was already planned 226 00:34:47,792 --> 00:34:51,393 It is a day in the life of a star from morning till noon 227 00:34:51,513 --> 00:34:54,765 It is a satire on this period, but a gentle one 228 00:35:08,972 --> 00:35:10,965 It is one of my lost dreams 229 00:37:10,452 --> 00:37:13,402 This world of pretty deceptions, of "make believe" 230 00:37:13,522 --> 00:37:18,804 stayed dear to Anger's heart, when he left Hollywood for Paris 231 00:37:19,123 --> 00:37:20,532 following an invitation of Cocteau 232 00:37:23,351 --> 00:37:27,405 In Paris you saw the films of M�li�s, which inspired you 233 00:37:43,177 --> 00:37:50,459 I started to create a fantasy world of my own, with painted backdrops and sets 234 00:37:50,579 --> 00:37:54,942 In 1950 I shot a film in Paris in the style of M�li�s 235 00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:57,912 I built a dream forest in a little studio 236 00:37:58,032 --> 00:38:01,421 The film was called "La lune de lapin" - "Rabbit's Moon" 237 00:38:01,541 --> 00:38:06,986 It was an attempt to combine the characters of Commedia dell'Arte 238 00:38:07,106 --> 00:38:11,326 with dreamy elements such as the Japanese legend of the Rabbit in the Moon 239 00:38:19,066 --> 00:38:21,724 The Japanese have a rabbit, not a man in the moon? - Yes. 240 00:38:24,734 --> 00:38:30,341 It is a little fragment, but it pointed into the direction where I wanted to work. 241 00:42:14,064 --> 00:42:18,840 The film, starring the young pantomime Andr� Soubeyran, was never finished 242 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,771 Anger had to stop shooting after a week, 243 00:42:21,891 --> 00:42:25,176 because the empty studio was needed by somebody else 244 00:42:26,131 --> 00:42:31,264 The scenes shown here are uncut and just roughly applied 245 00:42:32,904 --> 00:42:36,704 Anger has never used a studio ever since 246 00:43:08,283 --> 00:43:14,595 But I am free. I can adapt everything from this world by filming it my way. 247 00:43:14,978 --> 00:43:18,944 I couldn't build Fafnir the dragon, I don't have the budget 248 00:43:19,064 --> 00:43:23,803 But I need alchemical dragons for "Lucifer Rising" 249 00:43:53,963 --> 00:43:57,327 Just as these dragons from Crystal Palace Park in London 250 00:43:57,447 --> 00:44:02,903 Anger will use these shots of Stonehenge only for brief superimpositions 251 00:44:03,581 --> 00:44:06,013 He finds objects and integrates them in his films 252 00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:09,193 without caring about their actual function 253 00:44:09,831 --> 00:44:14,127 A novelty in respect to his earlier work is the use of outdoor location shots 254 00:44:14,698 --> 00:44:18,131 But prehistoric monuments of Stonehenge and Avebury 255 00:44:18,251 --> 00:44:21,790 are important to him, because they are very likely remains of an ancient sun cult 256 00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:18,150 I am using these stones to introduce the earliest known form of religion: 257 00:48:18,270 --> 00:48:19,134 the sun cult 258 00:48:19,373 --> 00:48:22,762 The theme of the film is the worship of the Sun and the Light 259 00:48:32,712 --> 00:48:35,543 In your most important magical film so far, 260 00:48:35,663 --> 00:48:38,041 "Inauguration", there were no exterior shots 261 00:48:38,161 --> 00:48:39,131 only interior shots 262 00:48:39,370 --> 00:48:42,772 In this film you are going outdoors again, like in earlier films 263 00:48:44,171 --> 00:48:48,702 Yes, this time I am using a lot of nature. 264 00:48:48,822 --> 00:48:53,659 It's more difficult to control, but it's a challenge 265 00:48:53,779 --> 00:48:55,563 There will be nature not only in the prologue? 266 00:48:55,683 --> 00:48:58,341 No, all through the film. 267 00:48:58,885 --> 00:49:05,351 The way of working on this film was much different from your usual ways. 268 00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:08,261 Usually it is just you and a few actors 269 00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,344 this time you have quite some equipment and people around 270 00:49:11,703 --> 00:49:13,085 Does that sort of disturb you? 271 00:49:19,582 --> 00:49:22,306 This film has more complicated technical problems, 272 00:49:22,426 --> 00:49:24,007 and this is why I need these collaborators. 273 00:49:25,163 --> 00:49:27,196 But from now on you will continue to work alone? 274 00:49:29,060 --> 00:49:32,223 Some things I can only do when I am all by myself 275 00:49:38,017 --> 00:49:39,412 That is your normal way of working? 276 00:49:43,134 --> 00:49:47,188 This interview in Avebury, the last one we conducted in front of the camera 277 00:49:47,308 --> 00:49:50,576 again shows Anger's unwillingness to answer questions 278 00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:52,803 He could hardly be convinced to do it 279 00:49:52,923 --> 00:49:54,823 and staged it carefully 280 00:50:03,485 --> 00:50:09,014 An earlier attempt to elicit more spontaneous comments failed 281 00:50:10,822 --> 00:50:12,484 Kenneth, what do these stones mean to you? 282 00:50:17,945 --> 00:50:22,291 But a few minutes later he tried to reconcile us with a joke 283 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:26,387 Instead of pointing his camera to the stones, he panned into our direction 284 00:50:26,507 --> 00:50:28,181 filming the team that was filming him 285 00:51:03,781 --> 00:51:09,243 In fact he was conscious about the difficult situation this shoot imposed on him 286 00:51:09,363 --> 00:51:12,538 as can be seen in this episode. 287 00:51:12,844 --> 00:51:17,850 As a sheep which is supposed to play a part, gets scared and runs away 288 00:51:18,108 --> 00:51:20,301 the very camera-shy Kenneth Anger said: 289 00:51:24,574 --> 00:51:26,514 There it goes - camera-shy! 26498

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