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Alright. [grunts]
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You want a mic check or you got it?
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[clapper] Shaq interview, take one.
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[director] Thank you.
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-Sure.
-[director] And Jerry thanks you.
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Alright, we're gonna get started.
Quiet, please.
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Quick slate.
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-Great.
-[soft music playing]
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-[crew member 1] I'm now rolling.
-[crew member 2] Do tech.
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[director] Let's lock up the noise, guys.
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-[board claps]
-Okay.
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Um...
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[director] I thank you
very much for your time.
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Thank you, I know it's a game night.
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Last question.
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[soft music continues]
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Jerry West...
made all my dreams come true.
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I would've loved
to have played against Jerry
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'cause in some ways,
I would've been playing
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against a mirror.
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But in other ways, you know,
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I'm pretty sure I could have learned
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and been a better
basketball player because of it.
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He's one of the top ten basketball players
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ever to play the game.
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[Pat Riley] When people look
at Jerry West's life,
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they would say something like,
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"What the hell's wrong with this guy?
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What's wrong with his life," you know?
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But they don't know.
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-[light music playing]
-[pen scratching]
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[Joe Lacob] I've never met anybody
as competitive
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in every moment of his life.
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[Jerry West] I played for the fans. I did.
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[commentator] West throws it up...
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-[crowd cheering]
-[commentator] He makes it!
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[Jerry] I didn't play for the franchise.
I played for the fans.
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Losing all those years in the finals...
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[Michael Jordan]
He was put to the test eight times,
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he only won once,
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and that's not who he really is.
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[speaker] That would do something
to you psychologically.
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Absolutely. It would do
something, and it did.
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[Mitch Kupchak]
That's the tormented part of him.
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For a second there, he could
feel good and enjoy things
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and then all of a sudden, it'll flip
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and something dark will come in.
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[Ryan West] He's a perfectionist
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and I think he sees himself
as a flawed individual.
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-[interviewer] Can he be happy?
-No.
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[Michael Cooper] Been a lot of things out,
a lot of things that have been said
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that are definitely wrong.
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I just want to tell my side of the truth
about how I know Jerry West,
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probably one of the greatest NBA players
that's ever played this game,
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and definitely one
of the greatest GMs in history.
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[club cracks against ball]
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[Jerry] I learned so much from winning
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but more from losing.
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How you have to conduct yourself.
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You know, you don't blame the referees,
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you don't blame your teammates.
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You got your fannies kicked.
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It doesn't feel good.
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You want the same thing.
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You want to be recognized
for all the hard work.
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[Gary Vitti] One of the things
that Jerry taught me
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is that sports is not designed to win.
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It's actually designed to lose.
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There's only one team
that can win the last game.
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Everybody else goes home a loser.
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[speaker] Jerry's one
of the great athletes
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this country's ever produced.
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-Complex.
-Logo.
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-Intense. Passionate.
-I'd describe my father as a...
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-Loyal.
-...very misunderstood person.
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It's goddamn hard being Jerry West.
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-Honest.
-I don't know that I'd want
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-to be Jerry West
-Giving.
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-An absolute icon in a logo.
-Sincere.
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Winning didn't just drive him.
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-Obviously, he's a local.
-Consumed him.
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-[O'Neal] It upsets me when...
-Crazy.
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[O'Neal] ...they say Jerry West was crazy.
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-This guy's crazy.
-[O'Neal] I never saw that.
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-He's a genius.
-The most successful...
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-Just an American icon.
-...single individual in NBA history.
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-The Logo.
-He's The Logo.
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[โช Green Day playing
"Boulevard of Broken Dreams"]
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โช I walk a lonely road โช
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โช The only one that I have ever known...
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[Jerry] Why now?
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Well, I think sometimes
all the things you kept private,
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maybe you should talk about a little bit
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to have a better understanding
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with the people who have supported us,
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but more importantly, your friends,
particularly in the NBA,
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and my personal friends,
which are not too many.
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โช My shadow's the only one
that walks beside me โช
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โช My shallow heart's the only thing...
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[Jerry] There's just things
that I shake my head
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and I see, I hear people say,
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that is really difficult
for me to understand.
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โช 'Til then, I walk alone โช
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โช I walk this empty street โช
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โช on the Boulevard of Broken Dreams... โชโช
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Watch your fingers.
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-[crew member 1] Jerry.
-[crew member 2 laughs]
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Jerry West interview,
take one, common mark.
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[clapper clacks]
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[crowd cheering]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[inaudible dialogue]
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[pen scratching]
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[birds chirping]
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[Jerry] This is the last house
that I lived in.
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I was in high school.
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I think that one
of the proudest things I did,
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I paid the mortgage off on this house
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for my mother and father.
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It was $12,000.
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We lived in that place there.
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And there was a tree here
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that I had a basketball hoop on,
right here.
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Really nice to see you.
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-Yeah.
-How you doing, young man?
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-Nice to see you.
-My pleasure.
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My uncle was always said,
talked about you.
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So I knew it was like...
I never mentioned it was like...
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[laughs] Yeah. Well, I grew a lot, okay.
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-[laughs]
-Can I...
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Can I have a picture?
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Yeah, sure. Why not?
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-Who's this for?
-It's for my son Adam.
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They loved watching you play basketball
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and always wanted
to be another Jerry West,
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which, there is never gonna be
another Jerry West.
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I wish you guys well. Nice to talk to you.
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-Nice to speak.
-Thank you.
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I wanted to play football
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when I was in junior high school,
and I'll never forget.
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I couldn't play
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because they didn't have anything
to fit me.
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I was so skinny and little.
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They gave me shoulder pads,
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gave me a helmet that was way too big.
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You know, I didn't have friends,
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so I gravitated to something
that I could do by myself.
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And you know, you got
to the point where all of a sudden
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you learn how to shoot
the ball on your own.
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How can I become
more effective as a shooter?
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Well, I can't tell you
how many times I threw the ball up
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-20 feet in the air.
-[laughing]
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I have a scar here today
where I scratched my face
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because I tried to keep it
close to my face,
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and so a very steady head
and try to keep my eyes straight
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and I would round my foot
and turn my body so I could go up
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and make sure that my body
came down like a cylinder.
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What would you say is the prettiest part
of Jerry's game for you?
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His pull-up.
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His beautiful jump shot.
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Jerry had a textbook jump shot.
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His jumper.
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[laughs] It's sweet.
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Yeah, it was sweet and it went in a lot.
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When you got that shot down,
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did you know when it was going in?
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-Oh, gosh, yeah.
-[Kenya laughs]
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[upbeat music playing]
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[commentator] And Jerry West...
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[commentator 2]
West, setting the mood.
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It's up.
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Averaging 30 points
in this playoff series,
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taking the jumper and hitting.
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[commentator 3] Jerry West,
throwing about whatever he wants to.
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He's got 20 points. He's...
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[upbeat music playing]
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[commentator 4] West is the one
the Lakers will go to
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to try and bring them back,
and we can expect the Celtics
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to try and double team West
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try to keep him
from getting the hot hand here.
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[Klay Thompson] Jerry's jump shot
is a thing of beauty, and it's timeless,
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and players to this day
still try to mimic it.
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It's just the template of what
perfect fundamentals look like.
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He was one of the guys who was, like,
trying to change the game.
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He was more advanced at what he was doing.
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He was also big as heck.
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The hesi cross or the hesi fatal A
to get to your spot,
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shoot over you like nobody's there.
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But Jerry was, like, unstoppable.
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I mean, honestly, he really was that good.
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One thing a shooter knows
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is that there's certain principles
that are non-negotiables
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in terms of shooting the ball
at a high level.
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You know, when it comes to your balance,
it comes to your confidence,
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it comes to your ability
to repeat the same motion
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over and over and over again.
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And if you watch footage of him
or you hear him talk about it,
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the level of obsession
of how to shoot the basketball
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comes out pretty clear.
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That's what shooters do.
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He held every Laker assist record,
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until he let me break 'em.
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[both laughing]
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[Kenya] Is it West Virginia?
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Do you think this is
the difference maker for you?
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The thing that made you who you are?
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I would say that's true. Yeah.
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I've been coming here,
my goodness, for...
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67 years of my life.
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There's an allure to this place that,
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I don't know if some people
miss it when they leave.
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I definitely have.
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But it was a pretty nondescript place
to grow up.
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It wasn't the perfect place
to raise a kid, okay?
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There was nothing special there.
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โช Got tears in my eyes โช
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โช Tryin' to read a letter from my home โช
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โช If this train runs me right โช
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โช I'll be home Saturday night โช
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โช I'm nine hundred miles from my home โชโช
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Living below the poverty line,
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had no money, no clothes.
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It was awful.
I just felt so inferior to everyone.
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I wanted to quit school. I hated school.
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I didn't feel like I belonged there.
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I was socially inept.
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I grew up in a household
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I was fifth in line.
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My father was difficult.
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You know, he would raise his voice a lot.
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My sister said this was
the ice house we were living in.
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But one of my brothers, David,
I was very close to him.
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He was really respectful.
Everyone loved him.
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Never saw him be anything
but a great person.
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Someone that I felt truly cared about me.
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So, he was the one
who played basketball in the family,
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and he was soon called
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to represent our country
as a serviceman.
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I was excited that he was,
you know, in the service.
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He'd grown up,
and what was he gonna be?
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What, you know, what the heck
was gonna happen?
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So, he goes away to training,
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and he was immediately shipped to Korea.
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-[guns firing]
-[shells explode]
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[gunfire]
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I remember the day my mother
asked me to go and get the mail.
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And a lady said to me,
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"I heard your brother
got killed in Korea."
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And I was like, "What?"
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I immediately took off running,
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and it was probably
at least a half a mile.
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[somber music continues]
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And when I got to where
we were living that time,
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uh, I could hear my mother...
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-[panting]
-[mother screams]
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[Jerry] ...like, screaming.
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[somber music continues]
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[David West] It was hope.
I think he represented hope
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about getting out
of a difficult position around poverty.
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And Dad idolized his brother,
and when he passed,
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that was brutal for him.
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[Ryan] And he said to me,
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"Why would God take away
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such a perfect person from this world?"
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[Jerry] You think the shock of him
being killed was horrible.
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Well, you can't imagine
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when they brought the casket to our house.
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[soft music playing]
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[Kenya] That was by request
of your father?
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-Yes.
-[Kenya] To have the casket brought
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and set next to the Christmas tree.
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[Jerry] Well, that was even more bizarre.
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I do remember one thing.
I-- I placed my hand on it, okay. I do.
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And at night trying to sleep,
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knowing my brother,
who was my buddy, was invincible,
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who was laying in a metal box
next to the Christmas tree...
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and to know-- and to know that...
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we're gonna put him...
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in the ground...
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it was...
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[soft music continues]
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...almost...
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[sighs]
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...indescribable...
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um...
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to even walk by this casket.
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And there's something about that day
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that made our house
worse than it was before.
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My dad was very abusive toward me.
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For some reason, I guess the way I was
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when things weren't
very good at the house...
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um... I was the one who was...
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He wanted to make an example of me.
I couldn't defend myself.
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[Karen West] There's no doubt in my mind
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that his mother was in a deep depression.
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His father became angry.
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I think they-- you know,
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his father took it out
on the younger kids.
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You became the protector
of your little sister.
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-Yes.
-[Kenya] Right.
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That was something that you felt
like you needed to do.
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-That was gonna be your job.
-Yeah.
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My dad hit her
with the handle of a hammer,
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and this really set me off.
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I witnessed it, and it was awful.
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"You son of a bitch, you," I said to him,
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"You leave her alone."
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He was a vicious man.
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I don't even remember what it was about.
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He had a violent temper
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and it was an ugly way to live a life.
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You don't ever touch a woman.
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You don't.
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And when I see men today,
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we see a lot of it
because there's so much more publicity.
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It just bothers me,
and I-- I don't get it.
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You know, women are sacred.
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That's an absolute
no-no.
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That started this change in me where,
you know, I didn't care.
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I did not care.
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I told him, I threatened him.
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I said, "You ever do that again,"
I said, "It's not gonna be fun."
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As I say, I didn't care, you know.
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Whatever happened, I had a shotgun.
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I felt like I was at the bottom
of the ocean.
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But right beside my bed,
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I had these little short letters
from David,
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and he said, "Keep working hard
on whatever you're doing."
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And he knew I liked basketball
and mentioned,
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"I hope your basketball is going well."
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That's when I really started
to practice out there.
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And I used to go out by myself
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because no one liked to play basketball.
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And I think it was so simple,
you had a ball and a hoop.
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You didn't need people,
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but you did need an imagination, okay?
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And so, I was the player,
I was the coach,
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-I was a referee.
-[whistle blows]
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I was the best player in the world.
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I was gonna make a last-second shot.
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When I picked this basketball up...
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it was almost like picking up
a good luck charm.
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Well, I started to grow,
and I started to get a little bit better
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and finally got to play
on my ninth grade team.
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[Jonnie West]
The two major instances in his childhood
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were his relationship with his father
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and his brother being killed
in the Korean War.
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Those two things drove him
to search for an outlet,
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and basketball became that outlet.
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[Jerry] My life changed.
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All of a sudden,
I wasn't this little kid anymore.
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00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,853
Having said that,
I would not let my mother
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let my father go to games.
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I didn't want him to watch me play.
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The thing that I got the most joy out of
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was playing and competing.
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And to think that I wanted
to share that with my father?
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No. I could not erase
what had happened in the past.
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-[bright music playing]
-[people cheering]
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My senior year,
we won the state championship.
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I have no idea how.
We weren't the best team.
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But I was scoring a lot
of points every night,
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-and our team--
-[Kenya] What's a lot?
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Do you remember how many points?
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[Jerry] [chuckling] Minimum 35.
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-[Kenya] What?
-[Jerry] Minimum 35.
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-[Kenya laughs]
-[Jerry] Yeah.
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I don't think anyone's
ever broken those records,
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rebounding and scoring.
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I went to East Bank High School,
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and one day and one year after that,
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they changed the name to West Bank.
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00:19:52,775 --> 00:19:55,737
It was such a important feeling...
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00:19:56,571 --> 00:19:59,699
and to even think that it was possible
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that I could go to college?
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[triumphant music playing]
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I was a sophomore playing
on the number one team in the country,
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which is difficult to do.
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00:20:10,126 --> 00:20:11,753
You know, I would always be nervous,
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water dripping off my hands.
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โช I put that work in,
I'm serving my service โช
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โช I go get it done...
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[Jerry] But I said, "Oh, my gosh,
maybe I am pretty good
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and not just a common player."
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00:20:21,137 --> 00:20:24,349
[commentator] Jerry West,
sensational sophomore, scored 28 points.
402
00:20:24,432 --> 00:20:25,975
Growing up in West Virginia,
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00:20:26,059 --> 00:20:29,771
from the time I was a freshman
in high school,
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00:20:29,854 --> 00:20:31,648
I became aware of Jerry.
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00:20:31,731 --> 00:20:34,359
And then at West Virginia University,
406
00:20:34,442 --> 00:20:38,613
I was matched up with him,
and that was an experience.
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00:20:38,696 --> 00:20:41,407
You know, I was supposed
to be the next Jerry West,
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00:20:41,491 --> 00:20:45,244
and quickly found out
that might not happen.
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00:20:45,328 --> 00:20:48,247
[commentator] Here's West with two
from close in for West Virginia.
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00:20:48,331 --> 00:20:50,541
โช I show up and show out,
they say I'm the leader...
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[commentator] ...pass to Jerry West,
and West scores.
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00:20:53,378 --> 00:20:55,254
โช Like it's on back of jerseys
I'm worthy to some...
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00:20:55,338 --> 00:20:56,798
[Jerry] I became very confident.
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Leading the team in scoring.
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00:20:58,299 --> 00:21:00,551
My game just escalated real quickly.
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00:21:00,635 --> 00:21:02,261
[commentator] And a pass to West.
He breaks into the circle,
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00:21:02,345 --> 00:21:05,473
puts up the winning bucket
with only three seconds remaining.
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00:21:05,556 --> 00:21:08,309
Jerry West, the 6'3" Cabin Creek sophomore
419
00:21:08,393 --> 00:21:10,812
has 8,000 fans looking on in disbelief.
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00:21:10,895 --> 00:21:13,106
Keep your eye on number 44.
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00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:15,233
โช I show up and show out,
they say I'm the leader โช
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00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:17,193
โช I know I'm the one โชโช
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00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:19,195
[Jerry]
To go from this extreme,
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when you didn't believe
anything about yourself,
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00:21:22,031 --> 00:21:23,825
to being selected
for the Olympic team,
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00:21:23,908 --> 00:21:25,576
first of all, I thought was a huge honor.
427
00:21:26,285 --> 00:21:27,787
[triumphant music playing]
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00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:29,789
I can't tell you how beautiful it was.
429
00:21:29,872 --> 00:21:33,960
You know, being from West Virginia,
except for Mary Lou Retton...
430
00:21:34,043 --> 00:21:35,420
-[Kenya laughs]
-[Jerry] ...there hasn't...
431
00:21:35,503 --> 00:21:37,463
there haven't been very many people
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00:21:37,547 --> 00:21:39,841
that got to represent the state.
433
00:21:39,924 --> 00:21:41,509
It was even more eye-opening
434
00:21:41,592 --> 00:21:43,428
because my brother
had been killed in Korea.
435
00:21:44,429 --> 00:21:48,516
[Ryan] For my father, it wasn't just
about representing the country,
436
00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:50,226
but also representing his brother.
437
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:52,186
As somebody that fought for this country,
438
00:21:52,270 --> 00:21:55,857
it really meant a lot to him
in multiple ways.
439
00:21:56,649 --> 00:21:57,859
That Olympics in general,
440
00:21:57,942 --> 00:22:01,195
is a pretty significant Olympics.
441
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:04,240
There was a lot of historical figures
that were involved.
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00:22:04,991 --> 00:22:07,785
[Ryan] Some of the biggest names
in the history of sports,
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00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:11,330
Wilma Rudolph,
Oscar Robertson, Rafer Johnson.
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00:22:11,414 --> 00:22:13,708
I remember my dad telling me
he'd be in his room
445
00:22:13,791 --> 00:22:17,170
and he'd hear this guy
just yelling and screaming
446
00:22:17,253 --> 00:22:18,755
and running his mouth.
447
00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:21,132
He'd look out the window,
it was Cassius Clay.
448
00:22:21,215 --> 00:22:22,592
It was Muhammad Ali.
449
00:22:23,843 --> 00:22:25,553
[commentator] And Jerry West
of West Virginia,
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00:22:25,636 --> 00:22:27,346
the United States Olympic team.
451
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:30,349
The first night we played
against the Italian team.
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[commentator speaking Italian]
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00:22:32,769 --> 00:22:35,271
[Jerry] They scored the first
two baskets of the game.
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This place was going crazy.
455
00:22:37,273 --> 00:22:39,067
[chanting in Italian]
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00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,197
At that point in time,
there was a lot going on in the war.
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00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,242
[John F. Kennedy] Ask not what
your country can do for you.
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00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:50,912
Ask what you can do for your country.
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00:22:50,995 --> 00:22:53,247
[Jerry] You had all the racists
in the South,
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00:22:53,331 --> 00:22:55,792
you had the threat of nuclear war.
461
00:22:55,875 --> 00:22:57,710
You had the Cold War.
462
00:22:57,794 --> 00:23:01,464
And so, you almost felt like
you were, uh, participating
463
00:23:01,547 --> 00:23:02,965
in a mini war yourself.
464
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:04,175
[crowd cheering]
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00:23:04,258 --> 00:23:06,094
All of a sudden, it got pretty quiet.
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00:23:07,220 --> 00:23:09,347
I think the next time
I looked at the scoreboard,
467
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:11,015
it was like 26 to 4.
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00:23:11,099 --> 00:23:14,685
[commentator] West.
Rebound by Big Jerry Lucas.
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00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:17,188
[Jerry] After that,
regardless of who we were playing,
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oh, my gosh, the score
was horrendous in our favor.
471
00:23:20,066 --> 00:23:22,235
[commentator] Jerry West
has really been hot.
472
00:23:22,318 --> 00:23:24,654
He averaged about 28 a game
as collegiate... [indistinct].
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00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:28,032
[commentator 2] Oscar Robertson,
he fakes the dot drive,
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00:23:28,116 --> 00:23:30,034
jumps and hits.
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00:23:30,118 --> 00:23:31,202
-[Jerry] Above all...
-[commentator 3] Oscar Robertson...
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00:23:31,285 --> 00:23:33,746
[Jerry] ...it was really exciting
just having a chance to play
477
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:35,623
with Oscar Robertson, the Big O.
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00:23:35,706 --> 00:23:37,208
[commentator] West to Robertson.
479
00:23:38,292 --> 00:23:39,961
He just dominated games.
480
00:23:40,044 --> 00:23:42,338
It was hard to measure yourself
against someone like him.
481
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,173
-[upbeat music playing]
-[commentator] USA ball
482
00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:45,591
with seven and a half minutes
remaining here.
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00:23:45,675 --> 00:23:46,801
USA on top.
484
00:23:49,137 --> 00:23:51,931
And won a gold medal, which frankly,
485
00:23:52,014 --> 00:23:54,934
was the greatest sports shield
I've ever had.
486
00:23:55,017 --> 00:23:58,271
[orchestral "The Star-Spangled Banner"
playing]
487
00:23:58,354 --> 00:24:02,567
[George Raveling] To go to Rome
and to win the gold medal,
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00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:06,362
inside yourself,
there's like a little invisible t-shirt
489
00:24:06,445 --> 00:24:09,282
saying, "Mission accomplished."
490
00:24:09,365 --> 00:24:10,825
Dad's never been much for trophies...
491
00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:16,038
but that one for sure
is super important to him.
492
00:24:16,122 --> 00:24:18,207
["The Star-Spangled Banner" continues]
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00:24:20,793 --> 00:24:22,628
[Jerry] And then, you know,
all of a sudden,
494
00:24:22,712 --> 00:24:25,590
a big change in my life
to go from... [chuckles softly]
495
00:24:25,673 --> 00:24:29,135
a town of about 500 people
to Los Angeles, California...
496
00:24:29,218 --> 00:24:31,220
โช Are you ready? โช
497
00:24:31,304 --> 00:24:34,807
[Jerry] ...where I started
my basketball career with the Lakers.
498
00:24:34,891 --> 00:24:37,685
โช Are you ready now โชโช
499
00:24:38,728 --> 00:24:40,771
[Jerry] The NBA was in its infancy.
500
00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:44,692
It was just so different
from the game today.
501
00:24:44,775 --> 00:24:47,612
You know, there was no publicity
when we played. None.
502
00:24:47,695 --> 00:24:49,447
Games were rarely on television.
503
00:24:49,530 --> 00:24:53,993
Most of the people followed games
by radio, by newspaper.
504
00:24:54,702 --> 00:24:58,039
[Jerry] Teams had to move because
no one would come watch 'em play.
505
00:24:58,122 --> 00:25:02,168
There was no exposure, no social media.
506
00:25:02,877 --> 00:25:04,045
There was not a lot of interest.
507
00:25:04,837 --> 00:25:07,798
[Raveling] Teams didn't have
large coaching staffs.
508
00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:10,843
The coaching staffs
were one head coach and an assistant.
509
00:25:10,927 --> 00:25:14,096
We had nothing when it came
to a strength coach,
510
00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:15,848
an agility coach, a dietitian.
511
00:25:15,932 --> 00:25:17,600
It was a totally different world.
512
00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,561
[Jerry] Our mode of transportation
were cars,
513
00:25:20,645 --> 00:25:23,272
which the players were driving,
the coach were driving,
514
00:25:23,356 --> 00:25:25,524
and we'd go stay in these little motels
515
00:25:25,608 --> 00:25:27,443
out in the middle of nowhere.
516
00:25:27,526 --> 00:25:31,197
I said to myself,
"My gosh, this is the NBA?"
517
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,242
[David] I remember the Lakers
would play on Friday and Sundays
518
00:25:34,325 --> 00:25:36,244
and on Saturday, he worked.
519
00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:39,080
He was at Sears
in the parking lot somewhere
520
00:25:39,163 --> 00:25:41,457
promoting basketball,
which had just come to the West Coast.
521
00:25:42,750 --> 00:25:45,086
[Jerry] So, here I am in Los Angeles.
522
00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:47,296
All of a sudden,
instead of being important
523
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:50,091
in your own state,
it was different.
524
00:25:52,134 --> 00:25:54,011
Our first two games
were against the New York Knicks.
525
00:25:54,095 --> 00:25:58,057
Like, 4,820 people in the audience.
526
00:25:58,808 --> 00:26:01,310
Every one of 'em were Knicks fans.
527
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,815
We weren't the attraction,
we were kind of a second-class act.
528
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:07,733
We almost felt like,
529
00:26:07,817 --> 00:26:09,944
what's the purpose
of moving to Los Angeles
530
00:26:10,027 --> 00:26:11,529
to draw more people?
531
00:26:11,612 --> 00:26:16,409
But now, started to build
a life away from West Virginia.
532
00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:18,536
And it was an eye-opener.
533
00:26:18,619 --> 00:26:22,206
-[upbeat music playing]
-[car horn blasts]
534
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:23,541
It was really weird.
535
00:26:25,668 --> 00:26:27,878
[upbeat music continues]
536
00:26:29,171 --> 00:26:31,716
I'm saying to myself, "My gosh,
I don't even know where I was."
537
00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:37,305
I had a wife and three young boys with me.
538
00:26:37,388 --> 00:26:40,516
They put me in a little motel.
539
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,310
I'm not sure it's still there,
540
00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:44,520
but you would not have wanted to be...
541
00:26:44,603 --> 00:26:45,771
-[Kenya laughs]
-...even then.
542
00:26:46,731 --> 00:26:49,400
I mean, I'm having a hard time breathing.
It, like, hurt.
543
00:26:49,483 --> 00:26:50,776
And somebody said it's smog.
544
00:26:51,569 --> 00:26:53,696
Well, I was so bad in our practice.
545
00:26:53,779 --> 00:26:55,865
"Oh, my gosh," I says, "I'm lost."
546
00:26:55,948 --> 00:26:59,410
I didn't feel like I belonged,
I mean, I was trembling. It was awful.
547
00:26:59,493 --> 00:27:03,289
And I said to myself, "My God,
am I gonna be good enough
548
00:27:03,372 --> 00:27:05,166
to do something that I love to do?"
549
00:27:05,249 --> 00:27:07,043
[upbeat music continues]
550
00:27:07,126 --> 00:27:09,712
About midway in the season,
we weren't very good,
551
00:27:09,795 --> 00:27:11,297
struggling like crazy,
552
00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:14,967
playing 82 games and winning 20.
553
00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:19,013
But then, Coach changed our back work.
554
00:27:19,096 --> 00:27:20,806
[Kenya] What'd he change it to?
555
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:23,601
Frank Selvy, he was
leading scorer in the country...
556
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,354
and, uh, myself.
557
00:27:26,437 --> 00:27:28,356
[commentator] Jerry West of West Virginia
558
00:27:28,439 --> 00:27:30,149
taking the jumper and hitting.
559
00:27:30,232 --> 00:27:32,026
Sand has switched over, this time to West,
560
00:27:32,109 --> 00:27:33,778
and West goes in and makes it.
561
00:27:33,861 --> 00:27:36,906
Lakers maintain possession as West goes...
562
00:27:36,989 --> 00:27:38,657
[Jerry] I started to get
to play a little bit more,
563
00:27:38,741 --> 00:27:42,036
and all of a sudden, I said,
"You know, I'm gonna be okay."
564
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,789
If you look at how he was as a pro,
565
00:27:44,872 --> 00:27:47,291
he got better and better,
you know, as he went along.
566
00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:50,044
And it was because of being very bright,
567
00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:53,506
understanding what he needed to do
to make the team better.
568
00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:57,927
[Jerry] We started winning games,
and we became a formidable team.
569
00:27:58,010 --> 00:27:59,595
[Kenya] How long did that take?
570
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:00,721
Just a year.
571
00:28:00,805 --> 00:28:02,014
-[Kenya] One year?
-One year.
572
00:28:02,973 --> 00:28:04,558
[commentator]
Listen to 'em count it off.
573
00:28:04,642 --> 00:28:06,227
The Lakers have done it!
574
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:08,396
The crowd is standing at their feet.
575
00:28:08,479 --> 00:28:11,232
They are not fighting to get out as usual.
576
00:28:11,315 --> 00:28:14,235
[Jerry] It was fun to see the change,
but particularly the fans.
577
00:28:14,318 --> 00:28:15,903
[Bob] Game night.
578
00:28:15,986 --> 00:28:18,030
The Los Angeles Memorial Sports Arena.
579
00:28:18,114 --> 00:28:20,950
[Jerry] But the place was rockin',
completely sold out.
580
00:28:23,202 --> 00:28:25,121
The press started to pay attention to us.
581
00:28:25,204 --> 00:28:28,249
This is the Mar Vista Playground
in West Los Angeles, California.
582
00:28:28,332 --> 00:28:30,584
Working out with the youngsters
is Jerry West,
583
00:28:30,668 --> 00:28:33,629
Los Angeles Lakers' red-hot sharpshooter
from West Virginia.
584
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:35,965
-Hi, Jerry, how are you?
-Hello, Bob. How are you today?
585
00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:38,676
[Bob] NBA stars like West
receive hundreds and hundreds
586
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:40,177
of letters from fans every week,
and often...
587
00:28:40,261 --> 00:28:42,555
[Jerry] It was like,
oh, my gosh, you know,
588
00:28:42,638 --> 00:28:44,348
you're something special now.
589
00:28:44,432 --> 00:28:46,308
-It felt good.
-[people applauding]
590
00:28:48,436 --> 00:28:49,854
[Richard Pryor] You know,
niggas and white people fight,
591
00:28:49,937 --> 00:28:52,273
I'll always be rooting
for the nigga, even if he bad.
592
00:28:53,315 --> 00:28:54,650
Please whoop the white folks.
593
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:57,486
I don't want white folks to win nothing.
Even Jerry West.
594
00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:59,780
I wish that motherfucker
couldn't play basketball.
595
00:28:59,864 --> 00:29:02,199
[audience laughing]
596
00:29:03,284 --> 00:29:06,954
[Pryor] That's it. But that motherfucker
can play some basketball.
597
00:29:07,037 --> 00:29:08,789
-[laughs]
-[audience laughing]
598
00:29:08,873 --> 00:29:11,625
I mean, niggas be out here,
and Jerry would make 22 points.
599
00:29:14,003 --> 00:29:16,714
-It's embarrassing, really.
-[audience laughing]
600
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:20,551
When I first heard it,
I've said to myself,
601
00:29:20,634 --> 00:29:24,054
"Oh, my God, I think I've arrived
in the Black community." [laughing]
602
00:29:24,138 --> 00:29:27,433
Mr. West was, excuse my French,
a cold-ass white boy.
603
00:29:27,516 --> 00:29:30,394
What they say? You know, Jerry was
giving it to all races back then.
604
00:29:30,478 --> 00:29:31,645
-[laughs]
-No matter what you was,
605
00:29:31,729 --> 00:29:32,813
Jerry was scoring on everybody.
606
00:29:32,897 --> 00:29:35,357
Jerry came from West Virginia
607
00:29:35,441 --> 00:29:37,318
at a time when, you know,
608
00:29:37,401 --> 00:29:40,237
it was Black Panthers,
it was Black Power,
609
00:29:40,321 --> 00:29:42,323
it was "I'm Black and I'm proud."
610
00:29:42,406 --> 00:29:43,782
It was civil rights.
611
00:29:44,492 --> 00:29:46,494
For him to be as good
as he was during an era
612
00:29:46,577 --> 00:29:50,998
where Black players was becoming
more dominant athletically
613
00:29:51,081 --> 00:29:52,750
and getting their own identity.
614
00:29:52,833 --> 00:29:55,711
-โช Say it loud โช
-โช I'm Black and I'm proud...
615
00:29:56,962 --> 00:29:59,465
And yet, this dude went
toe to toe with them
616
00:29:59,548 --> 00:30:02,134
and they had to respect him
based on his talent,
617
00:30:02,218 --> 00:30:04,220
not his color, his talent.
618
00:30:04,887 --> 00:30:06,847
This dude, he was good.
619
00:30:06,931 --> 00:30:08,766
In my neighborhood, you say
620
00:30:08,849 --> 00:30:11,018
Jerry was a bad motherfucker, man.
You know what I mean?
621
00:30:12,978 --> 00:30:14,480
โช Alright now โชโช
622
00:30:16,941 --> 00:30:19,151
[Kenya] So, what am I looking at here?
What is this place?
623
00:30:19,235 --> 00:30:21,278
This was a, uh, Black school.
624
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,950
The schools were segregated here,
which is so stupid.
625
00:30:26,909 --> 00:30:29,954
West Virginia was very segregated
when I was a kid.
626
00:30:30,037 --> 00:30:32,289
Didn't go to school with anyone Black.
627
00:30:32,373 --> 00:30:34,583
You know, I have seen on one occasion,
628
00:30:34,667 --> 00:30:36,877
uh, sitting outside at night looking over,
629
00:30:36,961 --> 00:30:39,797
there was a cross burning
over on the hillside.
630
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,049
-[Kenya] Oh, shit.
-[Jerry] And it actually scared me.
631
00:30:42,132 --> 00:30:45,469
I didn't play with any Black athlete
when I was in West Virginia.
632
00:30:45,553 --> 00:30:47,388
-[Kenya] Right.
-I played against Black athletes.
633
00:30:47,471 --> 00:30:48,556
[Kenya] Mm-hmm.
634
00:30:48,639 --> 00:30:51,934
The first time I ever heard
the name Jerry West,
635
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:57,106
is we're preparing to go down
to play West Virginia,
636
00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,775
and our coach is telling us
they're gonna have
637
00:30:59,858 --> 00:31:02,945
probably the best player
we're gonna play against
638
00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:06,407
all season long, named Jerry West.
639
00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:09,994
I mean, it made Jerry
sound like he was God.
640
00:31:10,077 --> 00:31:13,163
So, I walked up to-- to my coach
and I said,
641
00:31:13,247 --> 00:31:15,916
"Coach, is Jerry West white or Black?"
642
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,960
-And he says, "He's white."
-[gentle music playing]
643
00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:21,755
So I said, "Coach,
let me guard Jerry West."
644
00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:24,216
And as the record will show,
645
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:27,970
it was a bad request,
'cause he lit me up.
646
00:31:29,805 --> 00:31:33,225
-[crowd cheers]
-[Raveling] We arrived at Morgantown,
647
00:31:33,309 --> 00:31:36,478
and now the first big revelation
takes place.
648
00:31:37,521 --> 00:31:39,607
No one on the West Virginia team
649
00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:42,359
knew that Villanova had two Black players.
650
00:31:43,611 --> 00:31:45,863
Of course, that caused a little stir.
651
00:31:45,946 --> 00:31:48,240
[crowd cheering]
652
00:31:48,324 --> 00:31:50,242
[Raveling] And then they did
the introductions,
653
00:31:50,326 --> 00:31:53,954
and number 44, Jerry West.
654
00:31:55,205 --> 00:31:57,166
And you might as well just said,
655
00:31:57,249 --> 00:32:00,586
"Ladies and gentlemen,
the Lord is playing tonight."
656
00:32:00,669 --> 00:32:05,549
I had never played in a game
where an opposing player
657
00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:08,093
got the adoration that Jerry did.
658
00:32:08,177 --> 00:32:10,220
[commentator] Riding the crest
of 11 straight wins,
659
00:32:10,304 --> 00:32:13,265
West Virginia, ranked number one,
moves in against Villanova.
660
00:32:13,349 --> 00:32:16,226
-The underdog...
-So, the game is progressing.
661
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:17,978
I'm running it behind him,
662
00:32:18,062 --> 00:32:20,481
and I'm coming so fast, and I hit him.
663
00:32:22,524 --> 00:32:25,152
And I knocked him
into the first row of seats.
664
00:32:25,235 --> 00:32:26,445
[gasps]
665
00:32:27,738 --> 00:32:29,782
The place was utter silent.
666
00:32:32,117 --> 00:32:34,536
It seemed like Jerry
was down there forever.
667
00:32:35,287 --> 00:32:37,206
And I'm thinking to myself,
668
00:32:37,289 --> 00:32:39,208
"Dear God, please let this boy get up."
669
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:42,836
He looks up at me...
670
00:32:44,004 --> 00:32:45,172
and he puts his hand out...
671
00:32:45,255 --> 00:32:46,465
[gentle music playing]
672
00:32:46,548 --> 00:32:47,925
...and I help him up.
673
00:32:49,218 --> 00:32:52,388
I always say he probably
saved my life. [chuckles]
674
00:32:53,347 --> 00:32:56,225
[commentator] In professional basketball,
there are certain players
675
00:32:56,308 --> 00:32:58,560
who are especially admired
by their teammates.
676
00:32:59,353 --> 00:33:00,646
Jerry West is one.
677
00:33:00,729 --> 00:33:03,482
Another is Lakers captain Elgin Baylor.
678
00:33:04,441 --> 00:33:06,944
[Jerry]
I had two great mentors
679
00:33:07,027 --> 00:33:09,822
in Elgin Baylor and Wilt Chamberlain,
680
00:33:09,905 --> 00:33:13,409
and particularly nights after games,
we would play cards,
681
00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:16,328
and there was always
four or five Black guys
682
00:33:16,412 --> 00:33:18,831
and one white guy,
and that was me.
683
00:33:18,914 --> 00:33:21,250
And I've said it's the greatest
learning experience of my life.
684
00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:25,003
My first roommate was Ray Felix.
685
00:33:25,087 --> 00:33:29,800
So, you're rooming
with this Black guy, it's 1960.
686
00:33:29,883 --> 00:33:31,760
That wasn't a thing?
687
00:33:31,844 --> 00:33:33,011
No.
688
00:33:33,095 --> 00:33:36,056
And he was constantly,
Ray, encouraging me
689
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:37,433
and he was telling me all the time,
690
00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:39,476
"You gonna be one
of the greatest players of all time."
691
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,020
That was so uplifting to me.
692
00:33:42,104 --> 00:33:44,898
I never had anyone
say anything like that to me.
693
00:33:44,982 --> 00:33:47,317
I learned more in those conversations
694
00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:50,946
than I've ever known to exist
about their feelings,
695
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,198
about things they were exposed to.
696
00:33:53,282 --> 00:33:55,701
I learned it was okay to laugh.
697
00:33:55,784 --> 00:33:57,411
It was okay to make fun of yourself.
698
00:33:57,494 --> 00:34:00,164
It drew me out of a shell.
699
00:34:00,247 --> 00:34:03,709
All of a sudden,
I felt confidence in myself
700
00:34:03,792 --> 00:34:06,378
where I-- honestly, I couldn't believe it.
701
00:34:09,339 --> 00:34:11,341
[birds chirping]
702
00:34:16,429 --> 00:34:17,556
Oh, yeah, I see her.
703
00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:19,808
Hey, Makenna.
704
00:34:21,351 --> 00:34:22,478
What are you doing?
705
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:24,480
-[Makenna] I'm blowing bubbles.
-[chuckles]
706
00:34:25,313 --> 00:34:27,190
Oh, boy, big bubbles. [laughs]
707
00:34:28,609 --> 00:34:31,862
The game of basketball
brought me so much,
708
00:34:31,945 --> 00:34:36,241
but the good times
were far overshadowed by the bad times.
709
00:34:36,992 --> 00:34:38,577
I just hated losing.
710
00:34:40,204 --> 00:34:43,581
But I always felt you have
to learn how to lose
711
00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:45,501
and you have to learn how to win.
712
00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:46,877
Um...
713
00:34:48,212 --> 00:34:50,714
I darn sure learn--
learned how to lose.
714
00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:53,967
[fanfare music playing]
715
00:34:54,051 --> 00:34:56,344
[commentator] This is it.
The Los Angeles Lakers
716
00:34:56,428 --> 00:34:58,514
and the white-shirted Boston Celtics.
717
00:34:58,597 --> 00:35:00,599
Both teams alert for the breaks.
718
00:35:00,682 --> 00:35:03,310
[Jerry] Lakers versus
the World Champion Boston Celtics.
719
00:35:04,394 --> 00:35:06,605
They have all these very famous names.
720
00:35:06,688 --> 00:35:08,774
Bill Russell and Bob Cousy.
721
00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:11,777
[crowd cheering]
722
00:35:11,860 --> 00:35:14,696
The '60s was truly like
the Boston Celtic era,
723
00:35:14,780 --> 00:35:16,949
just winning year after year after year.
724
00:35:17,032 --> 00:35:20,536
[Riley] In competition,
sometimes you carry these rivalries,
725
00:35:20,619 --> 00:35:23,372
but the Celtics and the Lakers
726
00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:27,292
were not just a heated rivalry,
it was a hated rivalry.
727
00:35:28,168 --> 00:35:29,837
-[whistle blows]
-[commentator] A pushing foul,
728
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,922
and, boy, the whistle screams again.
729
00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:33,632
And it still is to this day.
730
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:35,342
[commentator] To Worthy. Rambis.
731
00:35:37,803 --> 00:35:39,388
And now, let's watch it.
732
00:35:39,471 --> 00:35:42,224
Cooper and the Celtics,
and now the bench is empty.
733
00:35:42,307 --> 00:35:44,101
[commentator speaks indistinctly]
734
00:35:44,184 --> 00:35:47,020
Pierce and Artest already grappling.
735
00:35:47,104 --> 00:35:50,440
It took 27 seconds
for these two to go at it a bit.
736
00:35:50,524 --> 00:35:53,193
[Jerry] You sort of inherit that
when you become part of the Lakers,
737
00:35:53,277 --> 00:35:55,445
that you become anti-Celtics.
738
00:35:55,529 --> 00:36:00,367
And Jerry being the perfectionist
that he always has been,
739
00:36:00,450 --> 00:36:05,414
it was like a personal thing
to beat Boston.
740
00:36:05,998 --> 00:36:07,833
The scenes we are about to see
were videotaped
741
00:36:07,916 --> 00:36:10,210
during the playing of the seventh
and final game
742
00:36:10,294 --> 00:36:11,753
of the world championship series
743
00:36:11,837 --> 00:36:14,756
between the Los Angeles Lakers
and the Boston Celtics.
744
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,258
[commentator]
Six-point lead for the Celtics.
745
00:36:16,341 --> 00:36:17,634
This is the final half.
746
00:36:17,718 --> 00:36:19,887
[Jerry] The first year
we played in the finals
747
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:22,014
was really kind of an epic battle.
748
00:36:22,097 --> 00:36:23,807
[commentator] 58-53.
749
00:36:23,891 --> 00:36:25,934
Baylor with a rebound. The eighth.
750
00:36:26,018 --> 00:36:27,519
Stolen by Ramsey.
751
00:36:27,603 --> 00:36:29,146
Cousy with daylight.
752
00:36:29,229 --> 00:36:30,564
[crowd cheers]
753
00:36:30,647 --> 00:36:32,357
60 to 54.
754
00:36:32,441 --> 00:36:33,859
[Jerry]
But our ultimate goal,
755
00:36:33,942 --> 00:36:37,195
something that was part
of your mental process
756
00:36:37,279 --> 00:36:40,032
since the time you started
playing professional basketball,
757
00:36:40,115 --> 00:36:42,409
you know, how can we win
this first championship?
758
00:36:42,492 --> 00:36:45,078
[commentator] West shooting
over Loscutoff and hitting.
759
00:36:45,162 --> 00:36:49,249
This is Huntley.
Stolen by Ramsey, to Jones.
760
00:36:49,917 --> 00:36:51,960
And the Garden is going crazy.
761
00:36:52,044 --> 00:36:54,129
[Jerry] We had a shot
to win the game in regulation,
762
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:55,505
and it didn't go in...
763
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:56,798
[commentator] And time runs out.
764
00:36:56,882 --> 00:36:58,759
[Jerry] And so, we went into overtime.
765
00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:00,636
[commentator] Bob Cousy to Russell.
766
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,387
[dramatic musical thud]
767
00:37:02,471 --> 00:37:05,515
The Celtics have it
wrapped up, 110 to 107.
768
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:06,600
[Jerry] It hurt.
769
00:37:07,601 --> 00:37:10,062
Little did I know,
that was gonna be the start
770
00:37:10,145 --> 00:37:14,274
of a very painful period
involving the Celtics and the Lakers.
771
00:37:14,358 --> 00:37:17,361
[commentator] Boston Celtics
gunning for an unprecedented
772
00:37:17,444 --> 00:37:19,821
fifth world championship in a row.
773
00:37:19,905 --> 00:37:21,490
Taken by West of the Lakers.
774
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:24,242
[Jerry] It just seemed
like no matter how we played,
775
00:37:24,326 --> 00:37:26,578
usually when I was at my best...
776
00:37:26,662 --> 00:37:27,788
[commentator] West again.
777
00:37:28,830 --> 00:37:30,290
[Jerry] And Elgin was at his best.
778
00:37:30,374 --> 00:37:31,583
[commentator] He and Baylor, of course,
779
00:37:31,667 --> 00:37:33,585
are the two big men for the Lakers.
780
00:37:33,669 --> 00:37:35,963
[Jerry] But we just
could not get a bounce.
781
00:37:36,046 --> 00:37:37,547
-[commentator] With a second to go...
-[horn blows]
782
00:37:37,631 --> 00:37:39,633
Cousy throws it high in the air,
783
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:42,094
and the Boston Celtics
are the world champions.
784
00:37:42,844 --> 00:37:45,097
[commentator 2] Boston Celtics
get off to a bouncy start.
785
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:47,599
The Lakers managed to stay
within striking distance
786
00:37:47,683 --> 00:37:48,725
for the first quarter.
787
00:37:48,809 --> 00:37:50,310
[Jerry] And there was a game
that seemed like
788
00:37:50,394 --> 00:37:53,605
everything that you'd worked
so hard for, everything...
789
00:37:53,689 --> 00:37:55,107
-[whistle blows]
-...it didn't work.
790
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:58,318
[commentator 2] With the final whistle,
Celtics make record book history tonight.
791
00:37:59,528 --> 00:38:01,780
[commentator 3] Fourteen thousand fans
jam Boston Garden
792
00:38:01,863 --> 00:38:04,992
for the final Celtics-Lakers
NBA playoff game.
793
00:38:05,075 --> 00:38:06,952
[Jerry] I was questioning everything.
794
00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:08,328
[commentator 3] But it's all in vain.
795
00:38:08,412 --> 00:38:12,374
The Celtics win it 95 to 93
for their eighth straight title
796
00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:14,001
and their ninth in 10 years.
797
00:38:14,084 --> 00:38:17,546
[Jerry] Myself, our players,
were we good enough?
798
00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:19,631
[commentator 4] This is
the fifth time in seven years
799
00:38:19,715 --> 00:38:22,134
that these two have faced
in the NBA final.
800
00:38:22,217 --> 00:38:24,636
Jerry West. He drives around
and lays it in.
801
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,138
Man, is he great?
802
00:38:26,221 --> 00:38:27,347
[Kupchak] You're kinda like,
803
00:38:27,431 --> 00:38:29,349
"I'm supposed to be one
of the greatest players ever.
804
00:38:29,433 --> 00:38:32,102
I'm averaging 28 points a game,
and I can't win."
805
00:38:32,185 --> 00:38:33,979
What do you think that does to a person?
806
00:38:34,062 --> 00:38:35,439
[commentator 4]
And the never-say-die Boston team
807
00:38:35,522 --> 00:38:38,483
wins the world's professional
basketball crown.
808
00:38:38,567 --> 00:38:41,111
[Kupchak] He was tortured
when it came to those games.
809
00:38:41,194 --> 00:38:42,738
I was angry.
810
00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:45,741
I mean, you want to just... scream,
811
00:38:45,824 --> 00:38:47,784
"Why, why, why, why?"
812
00:38:48,994 --> 00:38:51,955
[commentator 5] Boston,
trying for its 11th championship
813
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,832
in 13 years
814
00:38:53,915 --> 00:38:55,709
and the Lakers trying to end it.
815
00:38:55,792 --> 00:38:58,128
Game seven of the '69 finals.
816
00:38:58,211 --> 00:39:01,214
I mean, it was one of the great
performances of his career.
817
00:39:01,298 --> 00:39:04,342
[Punter] You gotta get that ball down
and get a quick move.
818
00:39:04,426 --> 00:39:06,970
[commentator 5]
A beautiful move by Jerry West.
819
00:39:07,054 --> 00:39:08,638
Jerry West. Another one.
820
00:39:08,722 --> 00:39:10,807
Powell switches off on West.
821
00:39:10,891 --> 00:39:13,602
[Jerry] That was the one
I think our whole team
822
00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:15,395
was confident we were gonna win.
823
00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:16,646
[commentator] This superstar.
824
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:18,273
[Punter] Superstar he is,
825
00:39:18,356 --> 00:39:20,192
and the Celtics are doing
everything they can.
826
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:22,819
[commentator 5]
George. Rebound.
827
00:39:24,362 --> 00:39:25,572
And Jerry West.
828
00:39:26,406 --> 00:39:28,784
-[crowd cheers]
-And the Lakers come back.
829
00:39:28,867 --> 00:39:30,535
Forty points for Jerry West.
830
00:39:30,619 --> 00:39:33,246
[Punter] The Celtics double-teaming.
They would have-- rather have
831
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:35,874
-Egan or Erickson take the shot than West.
-[whistle blows]
832
00:39:37,834 --> 00:39:41,379
[commentator 5]
108 to 104, seven seconds.
833
00:39:42,297 --> 00:39:43,590
Four, three...
834
00:39:44,508 --> 00:39:48,303
And time has run out,
and the Boston Celtics have done it again.
835
00:39:49,971 --> 00:39:50,972
[Jerry sighs]
836
00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,810
[commentator 5]
Another jewel in that crown.
837
00:39:54,893 --> 00:39:57,896
The 1969 loss was brutal.
838
00:39:57,979 --> 00:40:01,566
[commentator 5]
A two-point victory by Boston.
839
00:40:01,650 --> 00:40:05,862
That was probably
the-- the worst day of his life.
840
00:40:05,946 --> 00:40:08,532
I felt so horrible...
841
00:40:09,491 --> 00:40:11,284
that we had let our fans down.
842
00:40:11,368 --> 00:40:12,619
It was just...
843
00:40:13,453 --> 00:40:14,913
um... [clears throat]
844
00:40:16,706 --> 00:40:17,833
devastating.
845
00:40:19,084 --> 00:40:22,671
[commentator] Rivalry renewed
as Los Angeles and Boston
846
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:26,091
have been in the finals
six of the last eight years
847
00:40:26,174 --> 00:40:29,719
and now the Lakers have lost all six.
848
00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:32,013
I'm on here to hit the floor
with Red Auerbach...
849
00:40:32,097 --> 00:40:33,974
-Who else?
-And Sam Jones.
850
00:40:34,057 --> 00:40:36,393
Just seeing that clip with Red Auerbach...
851
00:40:36,476 --> 00:40:40,313
I want to say that Jerry West
was absolutely fantastic.
852
00:40:40,397 --> 00:40:43,191
That was one of the greatest exhibitions
I ever saw in my life.
853
00:40:43,275 --> 00:40:44,693
[Jonnie]
Like, they had just won a championship,
854
00:40:44,776 --> 00:40:46,695
and that was one of the first things
out of his mouth.
855
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:48,613
Jerry's not...
856
00:40:49,406 --> 00:40:52,325
he doesn't care if you think
he's the greatest.
857
00:40:52,409 --> 00:40:55,662
He doesn't care if you think
if he did this or did that.
858
00:40:55,745 --> 00:40:57,455
All Jerry wanted to do was win.
859
00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:00,959
And that's all great players
want to do, is win.
860
00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:02,961
Like me, I'm the Shaq.
861
00:41:04,045 --> 00:41:05,547
You think I care about being the Shaq
862
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:07,716
if I don't got those three rings in LA?
863
00:41:07,799 --> 00:41:09,050
No.
864
00:41:09,134 --> 00:41:11,428
[commentator] And tonight,
a Most Valuable Player award
865
00:41:11,511 --> 00:41:13,638
will be given for the man most valuable
866
00:41:13,722 --> 00:41:16,308
during the entire seven games.
867
00:41:16,391 --> 00:41:19,311
And Jerry West has won it.
868
00:41:19,394 --> 00:41:21,479
[Vitti]
The other thing that haunted him
869
00:41:21,563 --> 00:41:24,733
was being the MVP on a losing team,
870
00:41:24,816 --> 00:41:27,110
the only one in the history of the NBA.
871
00:41:27,194 --> 00:41:29,988
That doesn't bring him any joy at all.
872
00:41:30,071 --> 00:41:32,908
It just poured more salts on the wound.
873
00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:36,912
"Don't insult me," you know,
874
00:41:36,995 --> 00:41:40,874
"and give me this MVP award
when the trophy is being soaked
875
00:41:40,957 --> 00:41:43,376
in champagne in the other locker room."
876
00:41:44,502 --> 00:41:47,839
[Kenya] MVP of the finals
without winning a final.
877
00:41:47,923 --> 00:41:49,716
Also did it in college.
878
00:41:49,799 --> 00:41:52,677
Well, in college, um,
879
00:41:52,761 --> 00:41:55,430
you know, we lost
the NCAA finals by one point,
880
00:41:55,513 --> 00:41:57,557
and I have the ball
in my hand at mid-court
881
00:41:57,641 --> 00:41:58,892
and couldn't get a shot.
882
00:41:58,975 --> 00:42:01,811
Uh, I didn't get over that
for a long time.
883
00:42:01,895 --> 00:42:03,980
And then, the NBA finals, um...
884
00:42:05,649 --> 00:42:08,443
He and I would've definitely
not liked that trophy
885
00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:10,278
on a losing scenario.
886
00:42:10,362 --> 00:42:11,947
You know, I-- I totally understand it.
887
00:42:12,030 --> 00:42:14,741
It's like you're rewarding me for losing.
888
00:42:14,824 --> 00:42:16,952
[David] It didn't matter.
He could be the best player on the court,
889
00:42:17,035 --> 00:42:19,412
but it wasn't enough to beat the Celtics
890
00:42:19,496 --> 00:42:24,125
and, uh, it was so bad
that even to this day,
891
00:42:24,209 --> 00:42:26,461
nobody in our family ever wears green.
892
00:42:27,295 --> 00:42:31,424
Jerry West, congratulations on being
named the Most Valuable Player.
893
00:42:31,508 --> 00:42:34,052
[Ryan] When I went to New York
not long after,
894
00:42:34,135 --> 00:42:35,512
to accept my booby prize,
895
00:42:35,595 --> 00:42:39,766
a brand-new souped-up
Dodge Charger-- green, no less--
896
00:42:39,849 --> 00:42:41,518
it was probably intended for a Celtic.
897
00:42:41,601 --> 00:42:43,812
I felt like putting
a stick of dynamite in it
898
00:42:43,895 --> 00:42:46,523
and blowing it up
right there in Manhattan.
899
00:42:46,606 --> 00:42:49,234
When you expect to win something
and you don't win something,
900
00:42:49,317 --> 00:42:50,902
then it's even harder to accept.
901
00:42:50,986 --> 00:42:53,196
We felt we were the better team,
902
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,572
but it didn't prove to be that way.
903
00:42:54,656 --> 00:42:56,950
And I know that it's gonna
be particularly hard
904
00:42:57,033 --> 00:42:58,451
for me to understand this summer.
905
00:43:00,453 --> 00:43:02,622
[birds chirping]
906
00:43:04,874 --> 00:43:07,294
Losing all those years to the Celtics,
907
00:43:07,377 --> 00:43:08,753
I started thinking to myself...
908
00:43:09,587 --> 00:43:12,716
"I can't deal with this anymore.
It's just too hard."
909
00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:17,804
[Riley] When you're the kind
of competitor that Jerry was,
910
00:43:17,887 --> 00:43:19,681
losing all those years,
911
00:43:19,764 --> 00:43:21,808
that would do something
to you psychologically.
912
00:43:21,891 --> 00:43:24,769
Absolutely. It would do something.
And it did.
913
00:43:24,853 --> 00:43:26,604
[Thorn] Jerry took it personally.
914
00:43:26,688 --> 00:43:31,067
It was like, "I am the failure here,
not the team."
915
00:43:31,151 --> 00:43:33,403
When the actuality was, it was the team.
916
00:43:34,529 --> 00:43:36,906
[Ryan] I think there are
certain holes in his heart
917
00:43:36,990 --> 00:43:40,744
that can never be filled,
the loss of David being one,
918
00:43:40,827 --> 00:43:43,580
and I think all the losses
to the Celtics, to this day,
919
00:43:43,663 --> 00:43:45,457
it's something that he can't get over.
920
00:43:46,249 --> 00:43:50,253
[Rick Barry] He always tagged himself
in a way that was not the truth.
921
00:43:50,337 --> 00:43:51,838
As a loser.
922
00:43:54,883 --> 00:43:56,593
[reporter]
Throughout your whole career,
923
00:43:56,676 --> 00:43:59,220
you were almost as famous
for the amount of injuries
924
00:43:59,304 --> 00:44:02,307
that you had as almost about
your basketball playing ability.
925
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:07,187
The 1970, '71 season, you had
a knee injury, was operated on,
926
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:08,730
missed the last couple
of weeks of the season,
927
00:44:08,813 --> 00:44:10,065
missed the playoffs.
928
00:44:10,148 --> 00:44:12,776
[Jerry] When it happened,
the doctor told me
929
00:44:12,859 --> 00:44:14,361
that I had torn this ligament
930
00:44:14,444 --> 00:44:17,030
and that they're gonna have
to operate on it.
931
00:44:17,947 --> 00:44:20,116
I basically thought my career was over.
932
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,535
[reporter] Los Angeles fans
turned out in your honor
933
00:44:22,619 --> 00:44:24,621
for the Jerry West Nights.
934
00:44:24,704 --> 00:44:26,039
Well, that was one of the things I think
935
00:44:26,122 --> 00:44:28,291
every athlete probably dreams of having.
936
00:44:28,375 --> 00:44:31,419
The night was really a very special night
in more ways than one.
937
00:44:32,337 --> 00:44:33,505
The night...
938
00:44:35,465 --> 00:44:36,800
really meant nothing.
939
00:44:38,259 --> 00:44:40,637
To me, it wasn't a night of celebration.
940
00:44:41,429 --> 00:44:44,849
It felt like a farewell night.
I didn't want that.
941
00:44:47,477 --> 00:44:50,647
But... it helped for one reason.
942
00:44:51,815 --> 00:44:53,358
I became more defiant.
943
00:44:53,441 --> 00:44:55,110
You're not gonna break me.
944
00:44:56,528 --> 00:44:58,029
There's no way.
945
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,074
And so, through encouragement
946
00:45:01,157 --> 00:45:03,868
and almost a miracle,
947
00:45:03,952 --> 00:45:07,288
started me to realize that
maybe I could get back and play.
948
00:45:08,998 --> 00:45:10,917
[commentator]
Chamberlain blocks another one.
949
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,627
Wilt stops it. And West.
950
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:14,796
Frazier with 32, Jerry West 20.
951
00:45:14,879 --> 00:45:16,840
Jerry West now with 22 points.
952
00:45:16,923 --> 00:45:19,551
[upbeat music playing]
953
00:45:26,015 --> 00:45:28,601
[commentator] Lakers trying
to pressure the inbound pass,
954
00:45:28,685 --> 00:45:30,311
and it comes in to Walt Frazier
955
00:45:30,395 --> 00:45:32,939
with ten seconds now showing on the clock.
956
00:45:33,022 --> 00:45:36,734
Eight seconds left to go
on the clock. Seven, six, five.
957
00:45:36,818 --> 00:45:38,153
The Butcher shoots.
958
00:45:38,236 --> 00:45:39,821
He had epic battles with the Knicks,
959
00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:42,073
and in that particular finals game,
960
00:45:42,157 --> 00:45:45,201
he knew the-- the pressures
that were being put upon him.
961
00:45:45,285 --> 00:45:49,122
Probably in his mind, you know,
he's thinking, "Oh, here we go again."
962
00:45:49,205 --> 00:45:51,249
[commentator] With three seconds to go.
963
00:45:51,332 --> 00:45:55,086
Two seconds, one second,
West throws it up.
964
00:45:55,170 --> 00:45:57,547
-[crowd roars]
-He makes it!
965
00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:59,424
West throws it up and makes it.
966
00:45:59,507 --> 00:46:02,385
The half-court shot
in the finals against the Knicks.
967
00:46:02,469 --> 00:46:06,931
That's my image that's seared
in my brain from my childhood.
968
00:46:07,015 --> 00:46:08,141
[Cooper] I'll never forget the Chicag--
969
00:46:08,224 --> 00:46:10,810
"Jerry West, the kid from Cabin Creek,
970
00:46:10,894 --> 00:46:12,645
throws it up, and it's good, it's good."
971
00:46:12,729 --> 00:46:14,230
And you know, the game goes into overtime.
972
00:46:14,314 --> 00:46:16,691
[commentator] With a minute 27
remaining in the overtime,
973
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:18,359
Dick Barnett closed out the scoring
974
00:46:18,443 --> 00:46:21,237
to give New York a 111 to 108 victory.
975
00:46:21,321 --> 00:46:24,282
[Cooper] If the three-point line
was in play at that time,
976
00:46:24,365 --> 00:46:27,702
that half-court shot he threw in
would've beaten the Knicks.
977
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:29,037
I told him, I said, you know,
978
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,706
"I died a thousand deaths
when you hit that shot."
979
00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:36,294
And he looked at me
with this really serious face and said,
980
00:46:36,377 --> 00:46:38,755
"I wish I never made that shot,"
981
00:46:38,838 --> 00:46:40,256
and turned around and walked away.
982
00:46:41,341 --> 00:46:43,843
Be-- because they ended up losing anyway.
983
00:46:43,927 --> 00:46:45,678
So, everybody talks about the shot.
984
00:46:45,762 --> 00:46:48,431
All he remembers is-- is the loss.
985
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:51,476
[Riley] He couldn't deal
with it that well,
986
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:54,395
and it affected him immensely.
987
00:46:54,479 --> 00:46:57,273
But then, in '71, '72,
he had such a great year.
988
00:46:57,357 --> 00:46:58,525
It was a storybook year.
989
00:46:58,608 --> 00:47:00,818
[commentator] And the coach
of the Los Angeles Lakers,
990
00:47:00,902 --> 00:47:02,153
Bill Sharman.
991
00:47:02,237 --> 00:47:06,074
[Riley] And the irony was that
his two greatest nemesis,
992
00:47:06,157 --> 00:47:08,159
Bill Sharman and Casey Jones,
993
00:47:08,243 --> 00:47:11,204
who played for the Celtics,
were our head coaches.
994
00:47:11,287 --> 00:47:13,873
So, I'm just tremendously pleased
995
00:47:13,957 --> 00:47:15,959
and looking forward to this opportunity.
996
00:47:16,042 --> 00:47:19,879
Jerry was not happy.
He says, "I'm gonna quit. [laughing]
997
00:47:19,963 --> 00:47:23,007
You know, I-- I ain't gonna play
for those guys."
998
00:47:23,091 --> 00:47:26,511
Eventually, he was very,
very respectful of Bill.
999
00:47:26,594 --> 00:47:29,222
[Tom] Jerry, what's your opinion
of your new coach, Bill Sharman?
1000
00:47:29,305 --> 00:47:31,683
Well, Tom, he is a stickler
for conditioning.
1001
00:47:31,766 --> 00:47:35,061
And I say, we have had about
four nightly workouts so far,
1002
00:47:35,144 --> 00:47:37,188
and I'm kinda sore right now.
1003
00:47:37,272 --> 00:47:40,191
[Jerry] At the start of the season,
Bill Sharman said,
1004
00:47:40,275 --> 00:47:42,151
you know, "I want you to lead
the league in assists."
1005
00:47:43,152 --> 00:47:46,906
I'd never played that way,
and I said, "Well, I'll try."
1006
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:49,409
[upbeat music playing]
1007
00:47:50,618 --> 00:47:53,121
[commentator] November 5th, 1971.
1008
00:47:53,204 --> 00:47:54,914
The Lakers now have
their longest win streak
1009
00:47:54,998 --> 00:47:56,916
of the year at five games.
1010
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,462
And all of a sudden, we didn't lose a game
for two and a half months.
1011
00:48:01,546 --> 00:48:03,506
[commentator]
Wilt Chamberlain wears number 13,
1012
00:48:03,590 --> 00:48:06,134
and he stars in his 13th straight victory.
1013
00:48:06,217 --> 00:48:09,971
The Los Angeles Lakers achieving
their 15th consecutive victory.
1014
00:48:10,054 --> 00:48:12,098
-[upbeat music continues]
-[Jerry] It was beautiful to watch.
1015
00:48:12,181 --> 00:48:13,641
You're invincible.
1016
00:48:13,725 --> 00:48:14,892
[commentator]
West with a fast break to Goodrich.
1017
00:48:14,976 --> 00:48:16,185
Another assist for Jerry West
1018
00:48:16,269 --> 00:48:18,313
who leads the league
averaging nine a game.
1019
00:48:18,396 --> 00:48:19,564
[Jerry] I led the league in assists.
1020
00:48:19,647 --> 00:48:23,192
[commentator] The Lakers win
their 18th game in a row.
1021
00:48:23,276 --> 00:48:26,404
If the Los Angeles Lakers tonight
defeat the Atlanta Hawks,
1022
00:48:26,487 --> 00:48:29,449
they will have won 21 consecutive games.
1023
00:48:29,532 --> 00:48:32,035
[David] In the early '70s,
it was all very surreal
1024
00:48:32,118 --> 00:48:34,829
because everyone wanted
a piece of his time...
1025
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:37,790
and you see all the attention
that he's getting.
1026
00:48:37,874 --> 00:48:41,002
After the games,
he would sign autographs forever.
1027
00:48:41,085 --> 00:48:44,839
I really enjoyed watching him be idolized
by so many of the fans.
1028
00:48:45,757 --> 00:48:48,009
We had season tickets,
and more and more people
1029
00:48:48,092 --> 00:48:50,928
kept coming over,
introducing themselves, and saying hi.
1030
00:48:51,012 --> 00:48:54,057
And then you started seeing
more of the movie stars show up.
1031
00:48:54,140 --> 00:48:57,060
[Jerry] It just got easier
and easier and easier,
1032
00:48:57,143 --> 00:49:00,271
and the team just kept getting better
and better and better.
1033
00:49:00,355 --> 00:49:04,067
We won one, then we won two,
and then we won 33 in a row.
1034
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:06,694
[commentator] The Los Angeles Lakers
are the greatest winning team
1035
00:49:06,778 --> 00:49:10,365
in the history of basketball
for consecutive wins.
1036
00:49:10,448 --> 00:49:13,701
The team that can play
nearly the way that they want to play
1037
00:49:13,785 --> 00:49:15,536
is gonna be the winner of this series.
1038
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:17,413
[interviewer] What about your team morale?
1039
00:49:17,497 --> 00:49:19,332
Well, I think that if you're in
this locker room tonight,
1040
00:49:19,415 --> 00:49:20,583
it's pretty good, don't you think?
1041
00:49:20,667 --> 00:49:23,628
And I really thought that
this would be the chance
1042
00:49:23,711 --> 00:49:25,421
for us to win a championship.
1043
00:49:25,505 --> 00:49:27,674
[commentator] The Forum
in Inglewood, California,
1044
00:49:27,757 --> 00:49:32,261
tonight, game number five
of the NBA championship playoffs,
1045
00:49:32,345 --> 00:49:36,391
with the Los Angeles Lakers
leading in the series three games to one.
1046
00:49:36,474 --> 00:49:38,101
Can the Lakers handle the Knicks?
1047
00:49:38,184 --> 00:49:41,187
Yes, they can, but will they
is the question.
1048
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:44,107
Will the Lakers work so hard
that they can overcome
1049
00:49:44,190 --> 00:49:45,316
the injuries to the key guys?
1050
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,651
[announcer] Jerry West.
1051
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,571
[Ryan] I think '72 was
the ultimate paradox for him.
1052
00:49:50,655 --> 00:49:53,825
At 33, he knew he wasn't
the same as a player anymore.
1053
00:49:53,908 --> 00:49:56,285
[announcer] And at guard, Walt Frazier.
1054
00:49:57,203 --> 00:50:00,081
[Ryan] Playing against Walt Frazier,
who's seven years younger than him,
1055
00:50:00,164 --> 00:50:03,334
somebody that was becoming
one of the best guards in the league.
1056
00:50:03,418 --> 00:50:05,962
[commentator] The tip is controlled
by Gail Goodrich,
1057
00:50:06,045 --> 00:50:07,296
deep in the corner.
1058
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:08,923
-Jerry West.
-[crowd cheers]
1059
00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:12,719
This is a man who is one
of the superstars of the NBA.
1060
00:50:12,802 --> 00:50:15,388
He's never enjoyed the taste
of a championship.
1061
00:50:15,471 --> 00:50:17,098
Frazier. Good.
1062
00:50:17,181 --> 00:50:20,017
The New York Knicks
have the lead for the first time.
1063
00:50:20,101 --> 00:50:21,477
Walt Frazier gets the basket.
1064
00:50:21,561 --> 00:50:23,312
The Knicks go back on top by two.
1065
00:50:23,396 --> 00:50:26,983
Here's Frazier.
Walter hits a beauty.
1066
00:50:27,066 --> 00:50:29,485
Jerry West loses,
it's picked up by Frazier.
1067
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:32,572
So, the score at halftime, 53 apiece.
1068
00:50:32,655 --> 00:50:36,451
Ball game that is just as rugged and tough
as we thought it would be.
1069
00:50:36,534 --> 00:50:39,245
[commentator] Chamberlain tips,
Hairston has it slapped away from him,
1070
00:50:39,328 --> 00:50:41,622
and the New York Knicks get the ball.
1071
00:50:41,706 --> 00:50:43,708
And Walt Frazier now with 16 points.
1072
00:50:43,791 --> 00:50:45,877
We're tied at 57.
1073
00:50:46,544 --> 00:50:48,004
West.
1074
00:50:48,087 --> 00:50:51,716
After three, Los Angeles 83,
New York 78.
1075
00:50:51,799 --> 00:50:53,676
[commentator 2] The crowd is going berserk
1076
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,929
in anticipation of what they hope
will be the final game.
1077
00:50:57,013 --> 00:50:59,557
I've never heard anything
like this in Los Angeles.
1078
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,559
[commentator] Five, four...
1079
00:51:01,642 --> 00:51:03,644
-[crowd cheers]
-...three, two...
1080
00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:05,980
[indistinct]
1081
00:51:08,274 --> 00:51:09,859
And they run it out.
1082
00:51:09,942 --> 00:51:14,864
And the Los Angeles Lakers have won
their first NBA title ever.
1083
00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:16,574
[Ryan]
After all my dad had been through,
1084
00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:19,660
all the defeats, all the losses,
all the disappointments,
1085
00:51:19,744 --> 00:51:20,912
finally they win.
1086
00:51:20,995 --> 00:51:21,996
They won.
1087
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:23,623
[commentator 2]
And the Los Angeles Lakers
1088
00:51:23,706 --> 00:51:26,334
are the world champions of basketball.
1089
00:51:26,417 --> 00:51:29,629
[David] Winning matters and rings matter.
And he was able to overcome.
1090
00:51:29,712 --> 00:51:32,715
I was more happy for Jerry
than I was for myself,
1091
00:51:32,799 --> 00:51:35,802
that he could finally get
his world championship.
1092
00:51:35,885 --> 00:51:37,386
[Kupchak]
It would've been just horrible
1093
00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:40,348
for one of the all-time greats
to go through a career
1094
00:51:40,431 --> 00:51:41,641
and not have won a championship.
1095
00:51:41,724 --> 00:51:45,394
[Thorn] To go to the finals
nine times, ten times.
1096
00:51:45,478 --> 00:51:47,772
I mean, LeBron's been there a lot.
1097
00:51:47,855 --> 00:51:50,733
You know, other than Russell
and maybe some of those guys
1098
00:51:50,817 --> 00:51:52,485
who've played with the Celtics, I mean,
1099
00:51:52,568 --> 00:51:55,696
nobody's been to the finals
that many times.
1100
00:51:55,780 --> 00:51:58,658
[commentator] And the Lakers
conclude their basketball season
1101
00:51:58,741 --> 00:52:03,246
with a record of 81 victories
and only 16 defeats.
1102
00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:05,623
If you would have asked me
before the season started,
1103
00:52:05,706 --> 00:52:08,000
"Could that ever be done by any team?"
1104
00:52:08,084 --> 00:52:09,669
I would have thought
that you were crazy.
1105
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:14,215
All the times that we let them
down here in Los Angeles,
1106
00:52:14,298 --> 00:52:16,259
we lost in the finals,
1107
00:52:16,342 --> 00:52:19,554
what, eight times or nine times.
1108
00:52:19,637 --> 00:52:22,223
-But you got there.
-One time.
1109
00:52:22,306 --> 00:52:24,267
[Ryan] I don't even know how excited he is
1110
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:26,143
that he won one championship.
1111
00:52:26,227 --> 00:52:29,021
It's something that doesn't make sense
in his mind.
1112
00:52:29,105 --> 00:52:31,816
When you lost in the finals, you know,
1113
00:52:31,899 --> 00:52:35,653
seven or eight times in a row
before you won it,
1114
00:52:35,736 --> 00:52:39,532
winning the championship
in '71, '72 was like a Band-Aid.
1115
00:52:40,449 --> 00:52:42,034
-It was a Band-Aid.
-[soft music playing]
1116
00:52:42,118 --> 00:52:44,912
[Jerry] We have beaten everyone
they asked us to beat.
1117
00:52:46,289 --> 00:52:47,665
But I get in the locker room
1118
00:52:47,748 --> 00:52:50,001
and I said, "Oh, my God,
is that all there is?"
1119
00:52:50,918 --> 00:52:54,088
He was used to losing, and he hated it,
1120
00:52:54,171 --> 00:52:56,215
but when he won,
1121
00:52:56,299 --> 00:53:00,720
it was difficult to enjoy
because he didn't grow up winning
1122
00:53:00,803 --> 00:53:03,055
and he didn't know how to handle it.
1123
00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:13,482
In the newspaper, there was
an unbelievable derogatory column
1124
00:53:13,566 --> 00:53:15,359
written about me,
1125
00:53:15,443 --> 00:53:19,238
talking about it looked like
I was done as a player.
1126
00:53:21,449 --> 00:53:25,995
Basketball was my life, my love,
what I cared about deeply.
1127
00:53:26,078 --> 00:53:28,164
But after I read that article...
1128
00:53:29,081 --> 00:53:31,751
that was like a real wake-up call to me.
1129
00:53:31,834 --> 00:53:35,046
[soft music continues]
1130
00:53:37,673 --> 00:53:41,010
It brought me back to growing up.
1131
00:53:44,388 --> 00:53:47,058
-[soft music continues]
-[insects chirping]
1132
00:53:54,482 --> 00:53:56,943
You know, am I gonna be discarded?
1133
00:53:59,612 --> 00:54:01,113
I think that, uh...
1134
00:54:02,865 --> 00:54:05,409
that when you set standards
for yourself...
1135
00:54:06,327 --> 00:54:08,412
and when you are willing to...
1136
00:54:09,789 --> 00:54:11,248
sacrifice some of those standards,
1137
00:54:11,332 --> 00:54:13,793
then you're not being
very honest with yourself.
1138
00:54:13,876 --> 00:54:16,545
And, uh, I know myself that, uh,
1139
00:54:16,629 --> 00:54:19,173
I didn't want to sacrifice
those standards.
1140
00:54:19,256 --> 00:54:20,967
[Rosen] Jerry certainly could
have continued to play
1141
00:54:21,050 --> 00:54:23,427
at a really high level,
and I'm sorry he retired,
1142
00:54:23,511 --> 00:54:28,557
but, you know, when he decides
on something, he does it.
1143
00:54:28,641 --> 00:54:31,644
[soft music playing]
1144
00:54:33,145 --> 00:54:36,148
[pen scratching]
1145
00:54:41,988 --> 00:54:44,407
I have thought long and hard
1146
00:54:44,490 --> 00:54:49,662
that if I would've left the game
and said, "Hell with this..."
1147
00:54:50,746 --> 00:54:53,457
w-where would my life have been?
I have no clue.
1148
00:54:54,750 --> 00:54:57,420
[commentator]
Jerry West has stayed close to the game
1149
00:54:57,503 --> 00:55:02,383
and the team that he loves
since retiring in 1974 at the age of 36.
1150
00:55:02,466 --> 00:55:06,595
[Jerry] Now, all of a sudden,
I was responsible for 11 players
1151
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,432
and I thought we had
a great chance to win.
1152
00:55:09,515 --> 00:55:11,267
[upbeat music playing]
1153
00:55:11,350 --> 00:55:13,060
Even though we had a winning record...
1154
00:55:14,186 --> 00:55:16,564
and we're in the playoffs, injuries,
1155
00:55:16,647 --> 00:55:19,358
everything you think could happen,
down we go.
1156
00:55:19,442 --> 00:55:21,652
โช Living hell โชโช
1157
00:55:21,736 --> 00:55:23,571
[Jerry] That was extremely difficult.
1158
00:55:24,572 --> 00:55:26,198
[Cooper]
There's an old saying in the NBA,
1159
00:55:26,282 --> 00:55:28,034
"Great players don't make great coaches,"
1160
00:55:28,117 --> 00:55:30,703
and that's very true.
Jerry West was not a good coach.
1161
00:55:30,786 --> 00:55:33,914
He couldn't handle the players
making mediocre mistakes.
1162
00:55:33,998 --> 00:55:35,833
[Abdul-Jabbar]
Jerry felt everybody could improve.
1163
00:55:35,916 --> 00:55:39,628
If he had something to tell you
about how you could improve,
1164
00:55:39,712 --> 00:55:41,255
he'd let you know.
1165
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,299
[Jerry] When I got to the third year,
1166
00:55:43,382 --> 00:55:47,845
my inability to not only communicate
with these players
1167
00:55:47,928 --> 00:55:51,348
but to be kind of friendly with 'em,
that was gone.
1168
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,268
One night in the locker room, I said,
1169
00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:57,021
"I know you don't want me
to be your coach.
1170
00:55:57,104 --> 00:55:59,231
I wouldn't want to play
for myself either."
1171
00:55:59,315 --> 00:56:00,357
Do you have fun as a coach?
1172
00:56:00,441 --> 00:56:03,819
Uh, Scott, it's probably
the most unenjoyable three years
1173
00:56:03,903 --> 00:56:05,905
-I've ever had in my life.
-[Scott laughing]
1174
00:56:05,988 --> 00:56:08,949
I-- I simply emotionally
was not cut out to be a coach.
1175
00:56:09,033 --> 00:56:11,118
I-I just did not like it at all.
1176
00:56:11,202 --> 00:56:14,789
I couldn't do it anymore.
I-I just... I was done.
1177
00:56:14,872 --> 00:56:15,998
[newscaster]
Now, in related news tonight,
1178
00:56:16,082 --> 00:56:18,417
Jerry West has resigned
as coach of the Lakers...
1179
00:56:18,501 --> 00:56:21,087
[Jerry] Thinking back about that,
it served me well.
1180
00:56:21,962 --> 00:56:24,715
I couldn't be the solver of every problem
1181
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:26,759
because I couldn't even solve
my own problem.
1182
00:56:26,842 --> 00:56:27,968
[Kenya] Mm-hmm.
1183
00:56:28,052 --> 00:56:30,513
One of the things that I'm drawn to
1184
00:56:30,596 --> 00:56:33,182
is the idea of family.
1185
00:56:33,265 --> 00:56:35,476
You know what I'm saying?
And, like, marriage,
1186
00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:37,853
being a father,
going through a divorce.
1187
00:56:37,937 --> 00:56:40,689
How was that time in your life?
1188
00:56:42,108 --> 00:56:43,359
That's... [sighs]
1189
00:56:43,442 --> 00:56:44,819
I guess probably the...
1190
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:50,783
thing that I beat myself up
more than anything about.
1191
00:56:50,866 --> 00:56:52,284
[interviewer]
Did you say you haven't seen Jerry
1192
00:56:52,368 --> 00:56:54,120
for... for a while?
1193
00:56:54,203 --> 00:56:55,454
[Martha] For weeks.
1194
00:56:55,538 --> 00:56:57,248
[interviewer] What time
do they practice when--
1195
00:56:57,331 --> 00:56:59,083
For instance, today did they practice?
1196
00:56:59,166 --> 00:57:03,087
[Martha] Practiced at 11 o'clock
to about quarter of one.
1197
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:04,797
Then he had a pre-game meal out,
1198
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,841
and then he came home
and took a nap,
1199
00:57:06,924 --> 00:57:08,259
and then he left for the game.
1200
00:57:08,342 --> 00:57:10,052
[interviewer] When does he think
the season's gonna be over?
1201
00:57:10,136 --> 00:57:11,512
[Martha] [laughs]
I don't know anything.
1202
00:57:11,595 --> 00:57:13,347
[interviewer] What does he really think
about Chicago, for instance?
1203
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:15,224
-Does he...
-[Jerry] Because you're giving your life
1204
00:57:15,307 --> 00:57:17,351
and your heart and soul to this,
1205
00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:21,021
there's things that you have to neglect,
1206
00:57:21,105 --> 00:57:22,439
and it wasn't because...
1207
00:57:23,566 --> 00:57:25,526
I didn't enjoy being a father.
1208
00:57:26,485 --> 00:57:29,989
It was because my calling
in life kept me away...
1209
00:57:30,865 --> 00:57:34,994
and my crazy desire to win
1210
00:57:35,077 --> 00:57:36,829
kept me concentrating on that
1211
00:57:36,912 --> 00:57:39,456
instead of concentrating
on my older children.
1212
00:57:40,416 --> 00:57:43,127
[David] What I remember most
about the '60s and growing up
1213
00:57:43,210 --> 00:57:46,046
was going to the airport and wishing Dad
1214
00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:47,381
good luck on the trip.
1215
00:57:47,464 --> 00:57:48,841
He wasn't around a lot.
1216
00:57:48,924 --> 00:57:51,010
[interviewer] If you're gonna pick
the great moments in your life,
1217
00:57:51,093 --> 00:57:52,636
would they be out on the court?
1218
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,930
[Jerry] Oh, I don't think
there's any question that--
1219
00:57:55,014 --> 00:57:56,348
maybe unfortunately so,
1220
00:57:56,432 --> 00:58:00,019
that most of the high
and low moments in my life
1221
00:58:00,102 --> 00:58:02,813
have really involved basketball.
1222
00:58:02,897 --> 00:58:04,690
[Barry] You have to go
to practice all the time.
1223
00:58:04,773 --> 00:58:06,192
Then you're off on the road.
1224
00:58:06,275 --> 00:58:08,819
You spend more time during
the course of an NBA season
1225
00:58:08,903 --> 00:58:10,654
with your teammates
than you do with your family
1226
00:58:10,738 --> 00:58:11,989
if you have a family.
1227
00:58:13,032 --> 00:58:15,659
[David] My earliest reflection
was really more about
1228
00:58:15,743 --> 00:58:17,620
did they win or lose the night before
1229
00:58:17,703 --> 00:58:19,413
and what his mood was gonna be like.
1230
00:58:19,496 --> 00:58:22,416
If they lost on a Friday night,
1231
00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:25,753
Saturday morning
was not gonna be too much fun.
1232
00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,630
He could be really tough at times
1233
00:58:27,713 --> 00:58:29,757
and get very quiet and grouchy.
1234
00:58:31,091 --> 00:58:34,178
[Jerry] It was all consuming for me.
That's all I cared about.
1235
00:58:34,261 --> 00:58:37,139
The day of the game,
no noise in my house.
1236
00:58:37,223 --> 00:58:39,850
I don't want to hear any noise, none.
1237
00:58:40,976 --> 00:58:43,479
Quiet. Basically, don't talk to me.
1238
00:58:43,562 --> 00:58:47,858
[David] He could be
unfairly tough at times,
1239
00:58:47,942 --> 00:58:50,069
and he expected a lot out of us.
1240
00:58:50,152 --> 00:58:52,780
He ran a tight ship
and, you know, he, um...
1241
00:58:53,822 --> 00:58:55,532
uh...
1242
00:58:55,616 --> 00:58:57,326
it wa-- it was a little tough.
1243
00:58:57,409 --> 00:59:00,412
[kids shouting indistinctly]
1244
00:59:02,248 --> 00:59:04,083
[Jerry] Three young boys,
1245
00:59:04,166 --> 00:59:07,336
very awkward period of life to grow up,
1246
00:59:07,419 --> 00:59:09,338
and today when I'm around,
1247
00:59:09,421 --> 00:59:13,634
I just see damage
that the father wasn't around.
1248
00:59:15,344 --> 00:59:17,096
After we've separated,
1249
00:59:17,179 --> 00:59:20,266
I couldn't sleep at night wondering
how my kids were doing.
1250
00:59:20,349 --> 00:59:23,602
I would drive by my former house.
1251
00:59:23,686 --> 00:59:25,604
I drove by every night.
1252
00:59:25,688 --> 00:59:29,233
Everything I was doing,
I was blaming myself,
1253
00:59:29,316 --> 00:59:31,360
and that was probably
the most depressed period
1254
00:59:31,443 --> 00:59:32,987
I've ever had in my life...
1255
00:59:33,821 --> 00:59:37,241
where I just loathed anything about me.
1256
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:42,037
[Kenya] I think
that's really understandable.
1257
00:59:42,121 --> 00:59:44,540
I felt that way myself.
My biggest regret, you know.
1258
00:59:44,623 --> 00:59:46,292
My-- it's like a death in the family
1259
00:59:46,375 --> 00:59:47,501
going through a divorce,
1260
00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,169
and I'm asking this personally, like,
1261
00:59:49,253 --> 00:59:52,256
what then gave you the courage
to do it again?
1262
00:59:55,676 --> 00:59:57,344
-[gentle music playing]
-[Karen] When I first met Jerry
1263
00:59:57,428 --> 00:59:59,972
in the hour and a half
that I spent with him,
1264
01:00:00,055 --> 01:00:03,767
he, you know, basically told me
his whole life story.
1265
01:00:03,851 --> 01:00:04,852
[laughs]
1266
01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:07,563
[Jerry] I remember how happy,
1267
01:00:07,646 --> 01:00:10,024
how cheerful,
how spirited she was,
1268
01:00:10,107 --> 01:00:12,818
something that I was missing.
1269
01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:16,864
She was willing to listen
to some of the things
1270
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:20,117
that I would never have been able
to express to anyone else.
1271
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,621
[Karen] I did live in Los Angeles,
I knew him as that superstar.
1272
01:00:24,705 --> 01:00:29,168
But he was intelligent,
intense, emotional.
1273
01:00:29,251 --> 01:00:32,755
He was very serious,
but he had a funny side to him.
1274
01:00:32,838 --> 01:00:34,757
Three years later, we got married.
1275
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,134
He said he would not ever wear a tuxedo.
1276
01:00:38,677 --> 01:00:39,970
But he did.
1277
01:00:41,138 --> 01:00:43,515
-[soft music playing]
-[reporter] After years of ups and downs,
1278
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,809
Jerry West appears to have it all.
1279
01:00:45,893 --> 01:00:48,687
Happiness as a father
and as a husband.
1280
01:00:48,771 --> 01:00:50,939
[giggling]
1281
01:00:51,023 --> 01:00:54,026
Two years ago, Jerry West
became a new father.
1282
01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:57,112
Meet future slam dunker Jonathan West
1283
01:00:57,196 --> 01:00:59,031
and his older brother Ryan.
1284
01:00:59,114 --> 01:01:01,450
[Jerry] I don't think you ever dream
you're gonna be a father when you're 50.
1285
01:01:01,533 --> 01:01:04,244
We have a-- a little boy
who's a lot of fun.
1286
01:01:04,328 --> 01:01:07,331
It's fun to watch him grow up,
but I'm home more now.
1287
01:01:07,414 --> 01:01:08,874
[Kenya] So, how would you describe him?
1288
01:01:10,376 --> 01:01:13,212
I'd-- I'd describe my father as a...
1289
01:01:14,797 --> 01:01:17,007
probably very misunderstood person.
1290
01:01:18,384 --> 01:01:20,177
You know, when we first met,
1291
01:01:20,260 --> 01:01:23,305
I felt like he was a very sad man.
1292
01:01:24,473 --> 01:01:26,517
I sort of felt sorry for him.
1293
01:01:27,726 --> 01:01:29,061
-[David] Hi.
-[Karen] Hi.
1294
01:01:29,144 --> 01:01:30,562
-Perfect timing.
-[Jerry] Oh, yeah.
1295
01:01:30,646 --> 01:01:32,564
-Surprise, surprise.
-Just got back from Sacramento.
1296
01:01:32,648 --> 01:01:34,983
[Karen] When I first met
Jerry's older sons...
1297
01:01:36,026 --> 01:01:37,569
it was so awkward to me
1298
01:01:37,653 --> 01:01:40,656
that as they entered the room,
they shook hands.
1299
01:01:40,739 --> 01:01:44,993
Jerry shook their hand, and I thought,
"Gosh, my dad would never do that."
1300
01:01:45,077 --> 01:01:47,454
You said, you never heard
your father say, "I love you."
1301
01:01:47,538 --> 01:01:49,248
Right.
1302
01:01:49,331 --> 01:01:51,166
-Did you ever--
-I don't use, "I love you."
1303
01:01:53,419 --> 01:01:56,255
I don't know if it's in-- inside of me.
I really don't.
1304
01:01:56,338 --> 01:01:58,006
We were with a friend one time,
1305
01:01:58,090 --> 01:01:59,925
and they had him look it up
in the dictionary
1306
01:02:00,008 --> 01:02:01,802
and, you know, Jerry was still...
1307
01:02:01,885 --> 01:02:04,179
-It-it's like...
-...he can't put his finger around that.
1308
01:02:04,263 --> 01:02:07,516
...three words... I'm afraid of.
1309
01:02:08,434 --> 01:02:11,478
"I love you."
I'm afraid of those three words.
1310
01:02:11,562 --> 01:02:14,523
[Karen] I think Jerry
deals with inner demons.
1311
01:02:18,277 --> 01:02:22,197
He'll go to his own quiet place,
and you sorta just let him.
1312
01:02:23,699 --> 01:02:26,535
[Jerry] Used to love to fish,
and I just fished off the shore
1313
01:02:26,618 --> 01:02:29,079
and I could stay out here forever.
1314
01:02:29,163 --> 01:02:31,748
I just-- I love the serenity of it,
1315
01:02:31,832 --> 01:02:35,377
and I've always been attracted
to the outdoors,
1316
01:02:35,461 --> 01:02:39,173
and this is the thing that probably
I've carried most with me
1317
01:02:39,256 --> 01:02:42,134
as I've gotten older,
but I love fishing.
1318
01:02:42,217 --> 01:02:46,138
It's, uh, solitary,
and I'm a very solitary person.
1319
01:02:47,097 --> 01:02:49,224
[David] When he's going through things,
he has a tendency
1320
01:02:49,308 --> 01:02:51,894
to withdraw and really keep to himself.
1321
01:02:52,769 --> 01:02:57,065
As a young wife,
it felt very, um, uncomfortable.
1322
01:02:57,983 --> 01:03:00,777
He took his work home.
1323
01:03:00,861 --> 01:03:03,530
There were times
when he just would go into a shell
1324
01:03:03,614 --> 01:03:06,074
and not speak for days.
1325
01:03:07,034 --> 01:03:08,535
I didn't know how to act.
1326
01:03:08,619 --> 01:03:12,831
I-I'd go in my closet and cry
because I thought it was me.
1327
01:03:12,915 --> 01:03:15,125
I thought I did something wrong.
1328
01:03:15,209 --> 01:03:16,460
[birds chirping]
1329
01:03:17,211 --> 01:03:22,007
There is a real affable,
genuine, humorous side to Jerry,
1330
01:03:22,090 --> 01:03:23,800
and then there is the other side,
1331
01:03:23,884 --> 01:03:26,428
a very dark, depressive side.
1332
01:03:27,429 --> 01:03:29,348
[Kupchak]
The title of his book is perfect,
1333
01:03:29,431 --> 01:03:31,600
My Charmed and Tormented Life.
1334
01:03:31,683 --> 01:03:34,061
That tells you a lot
of what you need to know.
1335
01:03:34,144 --> 01:03:36,063
I think he deals with it as best he could.
1336
01:03:36,146 --> 01:03:38,607
He's-- he's not a simple person.
1337
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:40,192
[Arn Tellem]
Battling depression,
1338
01:03:40,275 --> 01:03:42,069
battling all the ups and downs
of his career,
1339
01:03:42,152 --> 01:03:43,320
even his personal life,
1340
01:03:43,403 --> 01:03:45,447
these are hard issues to navigate.
1341
01:03:47,449 --> 01:03:49,952
[exhales sharply]
Some days I don't function very well.
1342
01:03:50,035 --> 01:03:53,038
You know, if I happen
to get in a mood like that...
1343
01:03:54,206 --> 01:03:55,415
um...
1344
01:03:55,499 --> 01:03:57,501
[soft music continues]
1345
01:04:03,131 --> 01:04:04,758
What would turn this switch, you know,
1346
01:04:04,841 --> 01:04:08,887
where I felt fantastic about things
and then the next,
1347
01:04:08,971 --> 01:04:10,722
I feel the bottom of the ocean?
1348
01:04:11,848 --> 01:04:15,435
All the books I've read,
self-help books,
1349
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:17,479
I have never come to grips with that.
1350
01:04:17,563 --> 01:04:20,315
You know, it's really an honor
to meet you. [laughing]
1351
01:04:20,399 --> 01:04:21,775
[Ryan] Some days, you'll call him,
1352
01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:23,860
and he'll be in a very talkative mood
1353
01:04:23,944 --> 01:04:25,862
and you can't get him off the phone.
1354
01:04:25,946 --> 01:04:27,656
Other days, he'll say,
1355
01:04:27,739 --> 01:04:30,200
"I'm so depressed,
I don't want to live."
1356
01:04:34,246 --> 01:04:36,373
And you don't know what triggers it.
1357
01:04:36,456 --> 01:04:37,666
It's painful.
1358
01:04:40,002 --> 01:04:43,380
[Karen] I know deep in his heart
who he loves.
1359
01:04:44,298 --> 01:04:48,218
I just, you know,
I just support him when I can.
1360
01:04:51,513 --> 01:04:54,391
Reports persist that Jack Kent Cooke
has sold the Lakers,
1361
01:04:54,474 --> 01:04:56,935
the Kings, and his Fabulous Forum
1362
01:04:57,019 --> 01:05:00,147
to ex-world team tennis mogul Jerry Buss.
1363
01:05:00,230 --> 01:05:03,692
The price being bandied about
is $67 million.
1364
01:05:03,775 --> 01:05:05,360
That would make it by far
1365
01:05:05,444 --> 01:05:07,946
the biggest deal in the history of sports.
1366
01:05:08,905 --> 01:05:10,407
[Jerry] Jerry Buss wanted me
to coach the team
1367
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:11,742
when he bought it from Jack Cooke.
1368
01:05:11,825 --> 01:05:13,327
I told him I'm not doing it.
1369
01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:14,745
There was no way.
1370
01:05:14,828 --> 01:05:17,956
So, he hired me as a consultant,
1371
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,626
and from there things changed.
1372
01:05:20,709 --> 01:05:22,753
All of a sudden, I'm the general manager.
1373
01:05:22,836 --> 01:05:25,631
Going from a player to an executive,
1374
01:05:25,714 --> 01:05:29,259
it was really the start
of a whole new life,
1375
01:05:29,343 --> 01:05:31,553
and I guess, career.
1376
01:05:31,637 --> 01:05:32,846
I didn't look at it like that.
1377
01:05:32,929 --> 01:05:35,515
To me, it was an extension
of what I loved.
1378
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:36,975
I loved basketball.
1379
01:05:37,059 --> 01:05:40,020
[upbeat music continues]
1380
01:05:40,103 --> 01:05:41,605
[Jonnie] To be a great general manager,
1381
01:05:41,688 --> 01:05:43,523
like, you obviously have
to have this ability
1382
01:05:43,607 --> 01:05:45,692
to lead great athletes.
1383
01:05:45,776 --> 01:05:47,277
That's the number one thing.
1384
01:05:47,361 --> 01:05:49,821
This ability to identify talent,
1385
01:05:49,905 --> 01:05:51,865
whether that's young players...
1386
01:05:52,908 --> 01:05:54,951
new players you're adding
to your team, coaches,
1387
01:05:55,035 --> 01:05:56,495
like, there's so much that goes into it.
1388
01:05:56,578 --> 01:05:59,331
He sees, like, the puzzle piece
of team building
1389
01:05:59,414 --> 01:06:01,041
better than anybody ever has.
1390
01:06:01,124 --> 01:06:04,878
[Kenya] As an executive,
what do you think that part for you is
1391
01:06:04,961 --> 01:06:07,005
that has made you sort of be able to be
1392
01:06:07,089 --> 01:06:10,300
as successful as you've been?
1393
01:06:11,343 --> 01:06:13,303
Very much like a player.
1394
01:06:13,387 --> 01:06:15,138
I'm not afraid to make a mistake.
1395
01:06:15,222 --> 01:06:17,182
I trust my instincts.
1396
01:06:17,265 --> 01:06:21,144
Jerry West is synonymous
with several organizations now.
1397
01:06:22,229 --> 01:06:25,357
They've all trended upwards
due to his tutelage,
1398
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,443
due to his tenacity, due to his presence.
1399
01:06:28,527 --> 01:06:31,863
And there's not many people
that can say that in the NBA.
1400
01:06:31,947 --> 01:06:34,032
There's not many people
that can say that in the world.
1401
01:06:34,116 --> 01:06:36,034
I almost call it the Midas Touch.
1402
01:06:36,118 --> 01:06:39,246
It's not luck.
That's-- that's Jerry West.
1403
01:06:39,329 --> 01:06:42,040
Jerry could have went anywhere,
but he's gonna always make those moves.
1404
01:06:42,124 --> 01:06:45,210
I always compare him
to a professional chess player.
1405
01:06:45,293 --> 01:06:46,795
You know how Magic has the magic?
1406
01:06:46,878 --> 01:06:50,090
Well, Jerry has that same magic
from the front office side.
1407
01:06:50,173 --> 01:06:52,050
[Riley] Jerry was an ex-player,
1408
01:06:52,134 --> 01:06:56,513
and so he had
a tremendous knowledge of talent.
1409
01:06:56,596 --> 01:06:58,056
He could see talent.
1410
01:06:58,140 --> 01:06:59,182
[whistle blows]
1411
01:06:59,266 --> 01:07:00,851
He was constantly on the road
1412
01:07:00,934 --> 01:07:04,938
going to every 500 population town
in this country
1413
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:08,567
to find players, high school players,
college players.
1414
01:07:08,650 --> 01:07:11,695
[Jordan] He would go to every gym
that you can think of to find talent.
1415
01:07:11,778 --> 01:07:14,531
But at some point in time,
you gotta make a decision on that talent.
1416
01:07:14,614 --> 01:07:16,700
That's what Jerry
really, really was good at.
1417
01:07:16,783 --> 01:07:19,453
What, to me, separated Jerry...
1418
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:24,124
was his willingness to speak truth.
1419
01:07:24,207 --> 01:07:28,128
If he thought a player
was not playing at a certain level,
1420
01:07:28,211 --> 01:07:29,546
he said it.
1421
01:07:29,629 --> 01:07:31,757
What made him such a credible GM
1422
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,593
was his ability to look into people
1423
01:07:34,676 --> 01:07:37,345
and have a sense
of what was really making them tick.
1424
01:07:37,429 --> 01:07:41,349
He's the best executive
in the history of the NBA.
1425
01:07:41,433 --> 01:07:44,394
To accomplish what he accomplished
1426
01:07:44,478 --> 01:07:46,480
as an executive at the Lakers...
1427
01:07:47,689 --> 01:07:49,149
can't be matched.
1428
01:07:49,232 --> 01:07:51,193
As long as there's an organization,
1429
01:07:51,276 --> 01:07:53,695
Jerry West will be with it.
When he's no longer here,
1430
01:07:53,779 --> 01:07:56,448
we'll probably throw away
the organization.
1431
01:07:57,741 --> 01:07:59,868
[Jerry] Now all of a sudden,
I had a chance
1432
01:07:59,951 --> 01:08:02,579
to run the Lakers through my eyes.
1433
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:07,834
We had Abdul-Jabbar back there
who was anchoring our defense,
1434
01:08:07,918 --> 01:08:10,796
and certainly adding Earvin Johnson
1435
01:08:10,879 --> 01:08:13,423
to that group was special.
1436
01:08:13,507 --> 01:08:14,883
Yeah, the first time I met him,
1437
01:08:14,966 --> 01:08:17,969
was actually when I flew to Los Angeles
1438
01:08:18,053 --> 01:08:21,223
to really talk about the possibility of me
1439
01:08:21,305 --> 01:08:23,934
coming out of school
and the Lakers drafting me,
1440
01:08:24,017 --> 01:08:28,438
and I was in awe to be able
to shake his hand, to meet him.
1441
01:08:28,522 --> 01:08:29,898
I was calling everybody.
1442
01:08:29,981 --> 01:08:32,859
I said, "Man, I just had lunch
with Jerry West.
1443
01:08:32,943 --> 01:08:34,486
-I met with him," You know?
-[Kenya laughs]
1444
01:08:34,569 --> 01:08:37,154
Okay, so there's a question
I've been dying to ask you.
1445
01:08:37,238 --> 01:08:38,657
Something I heard throughout
the years, you know,
1446
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:39,991
about you and Magic.
1447
01:08:40,075 --> 01:08:43,578
You-- they were like,
you didn't know if you wanted Magic.
1448
01:08:43,662 --> 01:08:44,912
Is that true?
1449
01:08:44,996 --> 01:08:46,331
[Jerry] Oh, gosh, no.
1450
01:08:46,413 --> 01:08:48,959
A writer started this, okay?
1451
01:08:49,042 --> 01:08:50,794
A writer started it.
1452
01:08:50,877 --> 01:08:52,837
And he said he knew for a fact.
1453
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:55,215
It wasn't true.
1454
01:08:55,298 --> 01:08:57,050
-[laughs]
-It wasn't true.
1455
01:08:57,133 --> 01:09:01,304
The Los Angeles Lakers
select Earvin Magic Johnson.
1456
01:09:02,346 --> 01:09:04,057
[Johnson]
It just means so much to me.
1457
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:06,560
It's undescribable how much
the billing means to me.
1458
01:09:06,643 --> 01:09:10,104
And, um, I would just like to have it,
and I'm-- I'm gonna go get it.
1459
01:09:10,188 --> 01:09:13,191
[upbeat music playing]
1460
01:09:13,274 --> 01:09:17,319
[Jerry] Now, we needed someone
to play a high-risk offense.
1461
01:09:17,404 --> 01:09:20,115
[Johnson] The biggest decision he made--
this is really something,
1462
01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:22,033
I don't know how he did this.
1463
01:09:22,117 --> 01:09:25,120
When you got Terry Cummings,
Dominique Wilkins,
1464
01:09:25,203 --> 01:09:28,747
and James Worthy,
and you got to pick one of 'em.
1465
01:09:28,832 --> 01:09:30,709
[all laughing]
1466
01:09:30,792 --> 01:09:33,252
All three of those guys
were first-rate.
1467
01:09:33,336 --> 01:09:34,837
[announcer] For the first pick...
1468
01:09:34,921 --> 01:09:36,171
[Abdul-Jabbar] Jerry had it figured out
1469
01:09:36,256 --> 01:09:38,966
as to who was gonna be a winner
and who was not.
1470
01:09:39,050 --> 01:09:40,301
James Worthy.
1471
01:09:41,136 --> 01:09:42,888
[Johnson]
So, he brought another champion
1472
01:09:42,970 --> 01:09:46,099
into a championship locker room.
1473
01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:48,225
The next biggest move was to decide
1474
01:09:48,310 --> 01:09:50,185
whether to trade Norm Nixon.
1475
01:09:50,270 --> 01:09:52,063
Norm was very popular.
1476
01:09:52,147 --> 01:09:55,150
I was like, "Wow, that's--
that's a-- that's a big trade."
1477
01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:56,818
Guy's part of the fast break.
1478
01:09:56,902 --> 01:09:59,237
He's had a lot of success here in LA.
1479
01:09:59,321 --> 01:10:02,574
Dating Debbie Allen.
I mean, that's star power.
1480
01:10:02,657 --> 01:10:04,784
We all thought he was--
he was wrong.
1481
01:10:04,868 --> 01:10:06,661
Norm was our boy.
1482
01:10:06,745 --> 01:10:10,749
But Jerry West said,
"Mm, I-- I don't care if he popular.
1483
01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:15,378
We gotta get better
and trade for Byron Scott."
1484
01:10:15,462 --> 01:10:17,005
[Byron Scott]
When Jerry made the trade for me,
1485
01:10:17,088 --> 01:10:19,341
most people said it was
the worst trade he ever made.
1486
01:10:19,424 --> 01:10:21,176
This man is losing it.
1487
01:10:21,259 --> 01:10:22,761
[Jerry] Some people
are afraid to be criticized.
1488
01:10:22,844 --> 01:10:26,640
I'm not, because when I grew up,
I was criticized all the time.
1489
01:10:26,723 --> 01:10:28,558
-[Kenya] Right.
-For nothing.
1490
01:10:28,642 --> 01:10:31,478
And they can think what they--
I don't give a fuck what they think.
1491
01:10:31,561 --> 01:10:33,104
I don't. I could care less.
1492
01:10:33,188 --> 01:10:34,940
[Johnson] Jerry absolutely was right.
1493
01:10:35,023 --> 01:10:37,192
Byron Scott was the guy we needed.
1494
01:10:37,275 --> 01:10:39,486
[upbeat music playing]
1495
01:10:39,569 --> 01:10:41,780
And boy, we were off and running,
1496
01:10:41,863 --> 01:10:43,031
-I tell you.
-[laughs]
1497
01:10:43,114 --> 01:10:46,493
โช California, no doubt about it โช
1498
01:10:46,576 --> 01:10:47,827
โช California...
1499
01:10:47,911 --> 01:10:49,746
[Johnson laughing]
1500
01:10:49,829 --> 01:10:52,832
[Johnson] And it was full speed
every single night.
1501
01:10:52,916 --> 01:10:56,795
โช ...of LA, in the city...
1502
01:10:56,878 --> 01:10:58,964
And then, you know,
I just started dancing.
1503
01:10:59,047 --> 01:11:03,259
You know, I was... [vocalizes]
It's on now.
1504
01:11:03,343 --> 01:11:05,011
โช They pop locking, whoo! โช
1505
01:11:05,095 --> 01:11:08,056
[Jerry]
The crowds were absolutely electric.
1506
01:11:08,139 --> 01:11:09,474
The team was beloved.
1507
01:11:10,684 --> 01:11:13,436
[Johnson] We would hit you with it so fast
1508
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,815
that the crowd gave us
one standing ovation.
1509
01:11:16,898 --> 01:11:18,316
By the time we came back,
1510
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:20,527
we hit you with another 18-0 run,
1511
01:11:20,610 --> 01:11:22,946
and now they still going
goo-goo ga-ga.
1512
01:11:23,989 --> 01:11:25,615
Teams would start saying,
1513
01:11:25,699 --> 01:11:29,077
"Don't go for the offensive rebound
against the Lakers."
1514
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,371
And we would still beat 'em
down the court.
1515
01:11:31,454 --> 01:11:34,541
-[indistinct commentary]
-[crowd cheering]
1516
01:11:37,127 --> 01:11:38,128
Magic...
1517
01:11:39,295 --> 01:11:42,007
And Jerry was the architect of Showtime.
1518
01:11:42,090 --> 01:11:44,509
There's no Showtime
without Jerry West,
1519
01:11:44,592 --> 01:11:46,761
because he's the one
who brought us all together.
1520
01:11:46,845 --> 01:11:49,264
And making sure that you understood,
1521
01:11:49,347 --> 01:11:51,349
if you come to the Lakers,
1522
01:11:51,433 --> 01:11:54,728
you gotta be about winning
and you gotta be unselfish.
1523
01:11:55,854 --> 01:11:57,981
[Jerry] People have
to complement each other.
1524
01:11:59,024 --> 01:12:00,400
There's nothing that beats chemistry.
1525
01:12:01,526 --> 01:12:02,944
Nothing beats chemistry.
1526
01:12:03,028 --> 01:12:07,323
You have some guys in a locker room
that won't say a word.
1527
01:12:07,407 --> 01:12:09,576
All of a sudden, he'll come up
with something really funny,
1528
01:12:09,659 --> 01:12:11,494
and everyone
in the whole room is laughing.
1529
01:12:11,578 --> 01:12:12,996
"Where have you been?" You know?
1530
01:12:13,872 --> 01:12:17,000
Those are the things
that are truly chemistry,
1531
01:12:17,083 --> 01:12:19,169
and it brings closeness to players.
1532
01:12:19,252 --> 01:12:22,464
But, as I say, I love to laugh
1533
01:12:22,547 --> 01:12:25,008
because I never did
a lot of it in my life.
1534
01:12:25,091 --> 01:12:27,302
[commentator] And the Lakers
also know, Tom,
1535
01:12:27,385 --> 01:12:29,262
that they-- if they're going
to win the title,
1536
01:12:29,345 --> 01:12:31,264
they've gotta win it
in the lair of the Celtics.
1537
01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:34,434
-[crowd cheering]
-The Green will be really out in force
1538
01:12:34,517 --> 01:12:36,144
at the Boston Garden.
1539
01:12:36,227 --> 01:12:37,812
-They got to win two...
-[Ryan] As a kid,
1540
01:12:37,896 --> 01:12:39,731
I had never been to Boston Garden,
1541
01:12:39,814 --> 01:12:43,068
so he arranged for he and I to go.
1542
01:12:43,151 --> 01:12:46,696
We walked into the arena
and I looked at him,
1543
01:12:46,780 --> 01:12:48,573
and he was starting to panic.
1544
01:12:48,656 --> 01:12:50,075
[soft music playing]
1545
01:12:50,158 --> 01:12:52,827
And I said, you know,
"Dad, what's wrong?"
1546
01:12:52,911 --> 01:12:54,954
And he said,
"Ryan, I can't be in this building.
1547
01:12:55,038 --> 01:12:56,539
I have to leave right now."
1548
01:12:57,749 --> 01:12:59,250
And even as an 11-year-old,
1549
01:12:59,334 --> 01:13:01,377
it's something that always hit me.
1550
01:13:01,461 --> 01:13:03,922
And it-- it still resonates
with me to this day
1551
01:13:04,005 --> 01:13:06,216
just how painful those losses were to him.
1552
01:13:08,218 --> 01:13:09,552
[upbeat music playing]
1553
01:13:09,636 --> 01:13:11,346
[commentator] And welcome
to the Boston Garden,
1554
01:13:11,429 --> 01:13:14,808
which through the years,
has been the home court advantage.
1555
01:13:14,891 --> 01:13:17,310
The fans here don't hope,
they believe,
1556
01:13:17,393 --> 01:13:20,563
and they're already making plans
for a game seven Tuesday night.
1557
01:13:20,647 --> 01:13:24,859
But inside, the Los Angeles Lakers
are making other plans.
1558
01:13:24,943 --> 01:13:28,196
It's game six, and the Lakers
are just one victory away
1559
01:13:28,279 --> 01:13:30,323
from a world championship and ending
1560
01:13:30,406 --> 01:13:33,368
one of the longest jinxes in the history
of professional sport.
1561
01:13:33,451 --> 01:13:35,620
[Riley] In '85, all of a sudden,
1562
01:13:35,703 --> 01:13:39,833
that whole dilemma
was foisted on our back,
1563
01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:41,334
that we were the team
1564
01:13:41,417 --> 01:13:45,046
that had to get rid
of this Boston Celtic hex.
1565
01:13:45,130 --> 01:13:47,006
[commentator] Nothing could be sweeter
for Pat Riley
1566
01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:48,675
and the Lakers to win it here.
1567
01:13:48,758 --> 01:13:52,303
Can they handle the aggressiveness
and intimidation
1568
01:13:52,387 --> 01:13:55,765
and confrontation that
the Celtics put on them last year?
1569
01:13:55,849 --> 01:14:00,812
Especially because we went through
two real bad losses in '83 and '84.
1570
01:14:00,895 --> 01:14:03,815
[commentator] Fifteenth world championship
for the Boston Celtics,
1571
01:14:03,898 --> 01:14:05,275
the best record in the league
1572
01:14:05,358 --> 01:14:07,569
beating the team with the second
best record in the league.
1573
01:14:07,652 --> 01:14:10,238
[Riley] In '84, we actually choked away
a championship
1574
01:14:10,321 --> 01:14:12,907
and further got pounded
for it in the media.
1575
01:14:12,991 --> 01:14:15,702
Whatever happened
to the Los Angeles dynasty?
1576
01:14:15,785 --> 01:14:17,287
Here's where it is, right here!
1577
01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:22,041
But in '85, I really felt comfortable
and confident
1578
01:14:22,125 --> 01:14:24,627
that we could finally beat the Celtics.
1579
01:14:24,711 --> 01:14:26,629
[Jerry] The playoffs, of course,
is a very special time
1580
01:14:26,713 --> 01:14:28,464
and a very nervous time,
and those are the times
1581
01:14:28,548 --> 01:14:31,593
when you always feel
that you need to win.
1582
01:14:31,676 --> 01:14:34,679
You need to win for your franchise
to keep it growing
1583
01:14:34,762 --> 01:14:36,806
and give your fans some hope
that you can beat
1584
01:14:36,890 --> 01:14:38,892
those bullies from Boston.
1585
01:14:38,975 --> 01:14:41,352
[commentator] ...continues.
The tip controlled by Boston...
1586
01:14:41,436 --> 01:14:43,396
[Jerry] And I happen to remember
that day very well.
1587
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,524
It's my son's birthday.
His name is Ryan.
1588
01:14:46,608 --> 01:14:48,276
Surprisingly, that day,
1589
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:50,320
we had a birthday party at my house.
1590
01:14:51,487 --> 01:14:52,572
[party horn squeaking]
1591
01:14:52,655 --> 01:14:54,616
[Jerry] And we sat here in this room
1592
01:14:54,699 --> 01:14:57,202
and watched this basketball game.
1593
01:14:57,285 --> 01:14:58,661
The TV went out.
1594
01:15:00,455 --> 01:15:02,207
[Ryan] No TV reception, nothing.
1595
01:15:03,625 --> 01:15:05,084
[commentator] [on radio]
They asked him, he had his...
1596
01:15:05,168 --> 01:15:08,463
[Ryan] So, he had to listen
to the rest of the game on the radio.
1597
01:15:08,546 --> 01:15:10,048
[indistinct radio commentary]
1598
01:15:10,131 --> 01:15:11,716
We're trying to listen to something.
1599
01:15:11,799 --> 01:15:14,344
[Ryan] But he got to listen to Chick Hearn
1600
01:15:14,427 --> 01:15:16,012
call the rest of the game.
1601
01:15:16,095 --> 01:15:19,265
[Chick] Good. And it's 47 to 45,
the Lakers trailing.
1602
01:15:19,349 --> 01:15:21,309
The Celtics have led twice.
1603
01:15:21,392 --> 01:15:23,061
[Ryan] We get behind
late in the ball game.
1604
01:15:23,144 --> 01:15:25,063
That's ten for Bird,
eight in this quarter.
1605
01:15:25,146 --> 01:15:26,522
The Celtics lead by two...
1606
01:15:26,606 --> 01:15:29,776
And all of a sudden,
the momentum changed.
1607
01:15:29,859 --> 01:15:31,069
[commentator] If you ask Pat Riley,
1608
01:15:31,152 --> 01:15:33,279
"How would you like a nine-point lead
1609
01:15:33,363 --> 01:15:36,157
going into the fourth period
and a chance to close it out,
1610
01:15:36,241 --> 01:15:37,450
he'd say, 'I'd take it.'"
1611
01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:40,453
[Jerry] And suddenly,
this very hungry team
1612
01:15:40,536 --> 01:15:44,082
made all the plays
a championship team has to make to win.
1613
01:15:44,165 --> 01:15:46,000
[commentator] The Lakers are winning it.
1614
01:15:46,834 --> 01:15:48,169
Three in six years.
1615
01:15:48,253 --> 01:15:50,964
LA comes to Boston
and wins the world title.
1616
01:15:51,047 --> 01:15:53,716
[triumphant music playing]
1617
01:15:55,385 --> 01:15:56,594
[Jerry] That was a day,
1618
01:15:56,678 --> 01:16:00,098
that was the happiest day
of my athletic life.
1619
01:16:00,932 --> 01:16:04,394
[commentator] And Red Auerbach
and Alan Cohen walk off.
1620
01:16:04,477 --> 01:16:06,604
[players cheering]
1621
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:12,068
Whoo! Yeah, it feels good.
1622
01:16:12,151 --> 01:16:13,945
[commentator]
They finally snapped the jinx
1623
01:16:14,028 --> 01:16:16,823
underneath the banners
of the Boston Garden.
1624
01:16:16,906 --> 01:16:18,658
Hey, look at this, huh?
1625
01:16:18,741 --> 01:16:19,784
[inaudible dialogue]
1626
01:16:19,867 --> 01:16:21,995
[Kupchak] A lot of demons
were exorcized
1627
01:16:22,078 --> 01:16:24,706
when the Lakers finally beat the Celtics.
1628
01:16:24,789 --> 01:16:26,499
It can never again be said
1629
01:16:26,582 --> 01:16:29,294
that the Lakers have
never beaten the Celtics.
1630
01:16:29,377 --> 01:16:31,170
-[cheering]
-[players chanting]
1631
01:16:31,254 --> 01:16:33,006
It was probably
the happiest day of my life,
1632
01:16:33,089 --> 01:16:34,841
even though I wasn't there.
1633
01:16:34,924 --> 01:16:36,676
And of all the years of frustration,
1634
01:16:36,759 --> 01:16:40,596
and that gave me
the greatest sense of accomplishment
1635
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,765
of anything I've ever done in Los Angeles.
1636
01:16:42,849 --> 01:16:46,060
It is my pleasure to be here tonight
1637
01:16:46,144 --> 01:16:49,439
to present to them
their championship rings.
1638
01:16:50,356 --> 01:16:53,401
That was the one championship ring
that he wore forever.
1639
01:16:53,484 --> 01:16:56,154
When I turned 25,
we were out at dinner,
1640
01:16:56,237 --> 01:16:58,239
he was being very sentimental,
1641
01:16:58,323 --> 01:16:59,991
and we were talking about that day
1642
01:17:00,074 --> 01:17:02,910
and talking about me growing up,
and me as a man.
1643
01:17:02,994 --> 01:17:06,831
And he gifted me that ring
for my 25th birthday.
1644
01:17:07,707 --> 01:17:10,835
And it's something
that I'll cherish forever.
1645
01:17:12,211 --> 01:17:16,591
[Vitti] I'm sure Jerry had a quick
good feeling about the win,
1646
01:17:16,674 --> 01:17:19,594
but he was already on to the next--
the next thing.
1647
01:17:19,677 --> 01:17:21,554
In competitive sports...
1648
01:17:22,472 --> 01:17:25,266
it's the most difficult thing
that you can do,
1649
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:27,143
to try to win a championship.
1650
01:17:27,226 --> 01:17:29,354
-[upbeat music playing]
-[crowd]: Five, four,
1651
01:17:29,437 --> 01:17:31,647
three, two, one!
1652
01:17:31,731 --> 01:17:33,733
[crowd cheering]
1653
01:17:34,859 --> 01:17:37,695
[commentator]
Final celebration belongs here.
1654
01:17:37,779 --> 01:17:39,989
The champagne is flowing
in the locker room
1655
01:17:40,073 --> 01:17:42,784
of the NBA champion Los Angeles Lakers.
1656
01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:45,078
And if you do, can you repeat?
1657
01:17:45,161 --> 01:17:46,746
[upbeat music continues]
1658
01:17:46,829 --> 01:17:50,458
[commentator] The game ends.
The Lakers have won it again.
1659
01:17:50,541 --> 01:17:53,127
The Lakers are back-to-back champions.
1660
01:17:53,211 --> 01:17:55,630
The first team to do so in 19 years.
1661
01:17:55,713 --> 01:17:57,090
โช We love it โช
1662
01:17:59,675 --> 01:18:01,052
โช We love it โช
1663
01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:04,222
โช I love LA โช
1664
01:18:06,808 --> 01:18:08,059
โช We love it โชโช
1665
01:18:11,687 --> 01:18:14,315
[somber music playing]
1666
01:18:16,234 --> 01:18:17,819
[Rosen] The Lakers
were on their way to play
1667
01:18:17,902 --> 01:18:21,447
in a exhibition game,
and I got a call saying
1668
01:18:21,531 --> 01:18:25,326
um, there's an issue
with Earvin's life insurance.
1669
01:18:26,369 --> 01:18:27,995
Sorry, we can't give you any information.
1670
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:31,707
The only one we can give information to
is Earvin Johnson.
1671
01:18:31,791 --> 01:18:34,419
I then called Earvin and said,
"Earvin, I got this call.
1672
01:18:34,502 --> 01:18:35,962
Um, you need to come back."
1673
01:18:36,045 --> 01:18:38,881
And I decide I can't wait in my office.
1674
01:18:38,965 --> 01:18:42,969
So, I drive to The Forum,
I drive to see Jerry and Mitch,
1675
01:18:43,052 --> 01:18:45,847
and we sat there for an hour and a half.
1676
01:18:47,306 --> 01:18:48,724
What could this be?
1677
01:18:48,808 --> 01:18:51,018
You know, just running things
through our head
1678
01:18:51,102 --> 01:18:54,730
like what could be go--
what could be going on, right?
1679
01:18:54,814 --> 01:18:58,484
And of course, your mind,
you know, goes into bad places.
1680
01:18:58,568 --> 01:19:00,695
I pick Earvin up at the airport,
1681
01:19:00,778 --> 01:19:03,114
we drive to the doctor's office.
1682
01:19:04,449 --> 01:19:06,868
Uh, the doctor calls Earvin, um,
1683
01:19:06,951 --> 01:19:09,328
and it ended up being me into his office.
1684
01:19:09,412 --> 01:19:11,998
And, um, he gave Earvin the news,
1685
01:19:12,081 --> 01:19:14,208
the devastating news
that he was HIV-positive
1686
01:19:14,292 --> 01:19:15,877
and he needs to, um...
1687
01:19:18,671 --> 01:19:20,506
he needs to retire from basketball.
1688
01:19:20,590 --> 01:19:22,508
[somber music continues]
1689
01:19:22,592 --> 01:19:24,051
[inhales sharply]
1690
01:19:24,135 --> 01:19:27,221
Um, Earvin asked a number
of different questions,
1691
01:19:27,305 --> 01:19:30,099
and-- and he said,
"I-- I want you to tell two people.
1692
01:19:30,183 --> 01:19:32,852
"I want you to tell Jerry West,
1693
01:19:32,935 --> 01:19:35,480
and I want you to tell Jerry Buss."
1694
01:19:35,563 --> 01:19:37,690
It was probably ten o'clock at night,
1695
01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:41,903
and I had woken up,
and as I'm-- I'm passing in the hall,
1696
01:19:41,986 --> 01:19:44,447
I look downstairs,
and I see my dad and Lon
1697
01:19:44,530 --> 01:19:47,742
sitting on the couch, and I said,
"Why is Lon here so late?"
1698
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,871
[Rosen] I remember sitting in the office
Jerry and Karen had there,
1699
01:19:51,954 --> 01:19:54,874
and I remember staring
at the Olympic Gold medal
1700
01:19:54,957 --> 01:19:59,045
and telling Jerry... what we just learned.
1701
01:20:00,004 --> 01:20:02,715
And Jerry was devastated.
1702
01:20:02,798 --> 01:20:04,592
Earvin meant so much to him.
1703
01:20:04,675 --> 01:20:06,177
[Kenya] I don't know
if you know this story,
1704
01:20:06,260 --> 01:20:09,138
but when you announced,
made the announcement,
1705
01:20:09,222 --> 01:20:13,851
Lon Rosen the night before
had come, um, to Jerry's house
1706
01:20:13,935 --> 01:20:15,311
-Mm.
-[Kenya] ...and you know,
1707
01:20:15,394 --> 01:20:16,938
told Jerry what was gonna happen.
1708
01:20:17,021 --> 01:20:20,191
Jerry's wife was so--
the kids were so, you know,
1709
01:20:20,274 --> 01:20:21,692
enraptured with you and loved you.
1710
01:20:21,776 --> 01:20:23,069
She went and took them out of school.
1711
01:20:23,152 --> 01:20:24,195
Mm.
1712
01:20:24,278 --> 01:20:26,197
And we have the clip of that?
1713
01:20:27,323 --> 01:20:29,367
Um, it's really interesting.
1714
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:31,118
-[indistinct chatter]
-Mm-hmm.
1715
01:20:31,202 --> 01:20:35,873
[Karen] [on screen] Jerry had gone
to a meeting with the doctor,
1716
01:20:35,957 --> 01:20:39,627
and I'll never forget, he came home...
1717
01:20:41,921 --> 01:20:46,175
and he-- he went right
into his bathroom and just sobbed.
1718
01:20:47,301 --> 01:20:51,180
And, I-I mean, I--
it was the first time really
1719
01:20:51,264 --> 01:20:52,723
that I'd ever seen him cry.
1720
01:20:52,807 --> 01:20:55,977
And he was just, um...
It was very difficult.
1721
01:20:57,061 --> 01:20:58,896
And I'll never forget, I-I heard it,
1722
01:20:58,980 --> 01:21:03,109
and I raced out of the house,
and-- and I was in tears and I said,
1723
01:21:03,192 --> 01:21:05,236
"I've gotta get to school.
I've gotta get the kids."
1724
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:07,697
I didn't want them to hear it at school,
1725
01:21:07,780 --> 01:21:10,408
because by then,
it was-- it was getting out.
1726
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,373
My mom comes bursting
into the classroom
1727
01:21:17,456 --> 01:21:20,084
hysterically crying,
and my first thought was
1728
01:21:20,167 --> 01:21:21,919
a family member died,
my father died.
1729
01:21:22,003 --> 01:21:23,921
Something tragic happened.
1730
01:21:24,005 --> 01:21:25,631
We went to my parents' house,
1731
01:21:25,715 --> 01:21:27,717
and we watched the announcement on TV.
1732
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,887
[newscaster] From the NBA
to Wall Street, to Capitol Hill,
1733
01:21:31,971 --> 01:21:34,307
to neighborhoods,
to playgrounds,
1734
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:37,518
shock waves from Magic Johnson's
stunning announcement
1735
01:21:37,602 --> 01:21:40,688
that he has the virus that causes AIDS.
1736
01:21:40,771 --> 01:21:42,273
I just want to make clear, first of all,
1737
01:21:42,356 --> 01:21:45,026
that I do not have the AIDS disease,
1738
01:21:45,109 --> 01:21:48,321
'cause I know a lot of you
I guess want to know that,
1739
01:21:48,404 --> 01:21:50,197
but the HIV virus.
1740
01:21:50,281 --> 01:21:53,576
[Rosen] I remember the press conference
that we had at The Forum.
1741
01:21:53,659 --> 01:21:55,244
[Magic]
She's fine, she's negative...
1742
01:21:56,245 --> 01:21:58,539
Just seeing the look in Jerry's eyes.
1743
01:21:58,623 --> 01:22:02,043
Well, obviously, this comes
as a huge shock to us, um...
1744
01:22:03,294 --> 01:22:05,296
I think when you're trying to, um...
1745
01:22:06,297 --> 01:22:08,924
find out the condition of a player,
1746
01:22:09,008 --> 01:22:11,594
obviously, you assume
that player's gonna be back.
1747
01:22:12,678 --> 01:22:15,139
And to be real candid with you,
1748
01:22:15,222 --> 01:22:17,516
um, I haven't even thought about it.
1749
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,018
-[somber music playing]
-[Vitti] It hit him hard.
1750
01:22:19,101 --> 01:22:22,563
You know, sometimes
you'd see him... in his office,
1751
01:22:22,647 --> 01:22:26,484
it would just be dark in there
with one little lamp on his desk.
1752
01:22:27,777 --> 01:22:31,864
[Johnson] The moment we had
was in his office,
1753
01:22:31,947 --> 01:22:34,784
and he started crying right away.
1754
01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:37,787
And then I started crying
right away, you know?
1755
01:22:38,746 --> 01:22:42,708
And, um, we've always had
that type of relationship.
1756
01:22:42,792 --> 01:22:45,544
He just hugged me and, uh...
1757
01:22:46,837 --> 01:22:50,883
and really told me how he loved me,
1758
01:22:50,966 --> 01:22:55,680
and-- and, uh, "They say
everything should be okay."
1759
01:22:55,763 --> 01:22:57,848
We really want what's best for him.
1760
01:22:57,932 --> 01:23:00,935
Uh, there's a life after basketball
for Earvin Johnson
1761
01:23:01,018 --> 01:23:03,312
and we want him to go on with his life
1762
01:23:03,396 --> 01:23:06,273
and lead a healthy, successful life,
1763
01:23:06,357 --> 01:23:09,402
and, uh, which frankly
it didn't look like he could do.
1764
01:23:09,485 --> 01:23:13,781
The relationship that Earvin
had with Jerry helped him get well.
1765
01:23:13,864 --> 01:23:17,535
There wasn't a moment
where Jerry wasn't on his side
1766
01:23:17,618 --> 01:23:20,371
and wasn't afraid to talk to him,
and wasn't afraid to hug him,
1767
01:23:20,454 --> 01:23:22,289
and wasn't afraid to be around him.
1768
01:23:22,373 --> 01:23:26,919
To be here 32 years later,
you need a support system.
1769
01:23:27,002 --> 01:23:30,548
And Jerry was a major,
major support system.
1770
01:23:31,674 --> 01:23:33,467
[Jerry] How you treat
your people really matters.
1771
01:23:33,551 --> 01:23:36,554
I took an interest.
They just weren't players.
1772
01:23:36,637 --> 01:23:38,806
-[Kenya] Yeah.
-And it's important to me.
1773
01:23:38,889 --> 01:23:40,808
And, you know, a lot
of people hear you talk,
1774
01:23:40,891 --> 01:23:43,144
and, "Oh, that's bullshit."
Well, it's not.
1775
01:23:43,227 --> 01:23:45,855
I know how I feel about people.
1776
01:23:45,938 --> 01:23:48,232
I know how I care about people.
1777
01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:52,361
[pen scratching]
1778
01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:00,286
[Vitti] The Lakers were like
the Roman Empire.
1779
01:24:00,369 --> 01:24:02,705
You had those championship years
1780
01:24:02,788 --> 01:24:04,582
and then we went into the Dark Ages.
1781
01:24:04,665 --> 01:24:06,792
-[dramatic music playing]
-[commentator] And the Lakers are really
1782
01:24:06,876 --> 01:24:08,878
in a cold slump right now.
1783
01:24:08,961 --> 01:24:10,504
[commentator 2] Lakers hit rock bottom,
1784
01:24:10,588 --> 01:24:13,257
missing the playoffs
for the first time in 18 years.
1785
01:24:13,340 --> 01:24:16,302
[Jerry] Everyone had written us off.
Everyone.
1786
01:24:16,385 --> 01:24:19,096
And I knew if we worked hard enough...
1787
01:24:20,097 --> 01:24:21,682
if we did the right things,
1788
01:24:21,766 --> 01:24:23,309
that we were gonna be very competitive,
1789
01:24:23,392 --> 01:24:25,770
and we can do this,
and we will do it again.
1790
01:24:25,853 --> 01:24:27,855
And then we came back
and we had the Renaissance.
1791
01:24:27,938 --> 01:24:30,316
-[upbeat music playing]
-[crowd cheering]
1792
01:24:34,195 --> 01:24:37,323
Would you say that that, as a executive,
1793
01:24:37,406 --> 01:24:41,535
that Shaq-Kobe was your sort of...
1794
01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:44,538
greatest moment?
1795
01:24:44,622 --> 01:24:45,998
Well, for me, it was the most exciting.
1796
01:24:46,081 --> 01:24:47,875
You know, we wanted
to reach for the moon.
1797
01:24:48,834 --> 01:24:51,837
[Kupchak] The first part of that summer
was the first workout
1798
01:24:51,921 --> 01:24:55,257
with Kobe by himself with Jerry in a gym.
1799
01:24:55,341 --> 01:24:58,385
And Jerry was just like
really, really excited.
1800
01:24:58,469 --> 01:25:01,931
[Thorn] I remember getting a call
from Jerry, and he said,
1801
01:25:02,014 --> 01:25:04,391
"I just worked out this high school kid
1802
01:25:04,475 --> 01:25:05,976
from Pennsylvania, Kobe Bryant.
1803
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:08,354
He's the best player I've ever worked out,
1804
01:25:08,437 --> 01:25:09,897
and I have to get him."
1805
01:25:09,980 --> 01:25:11,816
All we knew about Kobe Bryant at that time
1806
01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:14,318
was he was playing high school ball.
1807
01:25:14,401 --> 01:25:16,904
Jerry saw it. I didn't.
1808
01:25:16,987 --> 01:25:21,450
I saw a 17-year-old kid
trying to mimic Michael Jordan
1809
01:25:21,534 --> 01:25:23,202
but wasn't Michael Jordan.
1810
01:25:23,285 --> 01:25:27,289
Everybody is saying, well,
it may take him a couple years,
1811
01:25:27,373 --> 01:25:30,584
but Jerry West said, "Mm-mm,
this guy named Kobe Bryant,
1812
01:25:30,668 --> 01:25:33,379
he gonna be a superstar
in this league."
1813
01:25:33,462 --> 01:25:38,759
[Vitti] Jerry really believed
in this 17-year-old kid so much,
1814
01:25:38,843 --> 01:25:43,764
that he traded Vlade Divac to get him.
1815
01:25:43,848 --> 01:25:49,687
Vlade was a legitimate,
great, talented center.
1816
01:25:49,770 --> 01:25:51,772
[Scott] If you're gonna make
a trade like he was making
1817
01:25:51,856 --> 01:25:54,525
with Kobe for Vlade Divac,
you gotta be right.
1818
01:25:55,609 --> 01:25:56,694
You got to be right.
1819
01:25:56,777 --> 01:25:58,028
'Cause if you're wrong, you just set
1820
01:25:58,112 --> 01:25:59,822
the whole franchise back, you know,
1821
01:25:59,905 --> 01:26:01,407
three, four, five years
1822
01:26:01,490 --> 01:26:05,661
[Vlade Divac] Back then, I was upset,
you know, and I didn't like it,
1823
01:26:05,744 --> 01:26:08,873
but I trust Jerry that he s--
he saw something
1824
01:26:08,956 --> 01:26:10,624
that nobody see it before.
1825
01:26:10,708 --> 01:26:13,210
And Kobe, uh, this is for you.
1826
01:26:13,294 --> 01:26:14,837
-Thank you very much.
-[camera shutter clicks]
1827
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,631
When I became a GM,
I would trade myself for Kobe Bryant.
1828
01:26:17,715 --> 01:26:20,217
-[laughs]
-So, he did good decision.
1829
01:26:21,927 --> 01:26:24,889
But now, we got a 17-year-old,
and we don't have a center.
1830
01:26:24,972 --> 01:26:27,558
[upbeat music playing]
1831
01:26:28,475 --> 01:26:30,477
[commentator] Shaquille O'Neal
has exploded onto the scene
1832
01:26:30,561 --> 01:26:32,688
and taken a place alongside Jordan
1833
01:26:32,771 --> 01:26:35,524
as perhaps the NBA's
two most popular players.
1834
01:26:35,608 --> 01:26:38,944
Shaquille O'Neal became
a free agent unexpectedly.
1835
01:26:40,321 --> 01:26:42,281
[crowd cheering]
1836
01:26:42,364 --> 01:26:43,908
[Jerry] For Shaquille O'Neal,
1837
01:26:43,991 --> 01:26:47,036
he just intimidated
every player he played.
1838
01:26:48,037 --> 01:26:49,747
[commentator] Oh, my goodness!
1839
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:52,041
He went flying through the air.
1840
01:26:52,124 --> 01:26:54,126
He would dunk them out of the game.
1841
01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:55,920
[commentator] You ever see
a man that big fly?
1842
01:26:56,003 --> 01:26:57,296
He'd destroy their soul.
1843
01:26:57,379 --> 01:26:59,840
He would destroy a team's soul.
1844
01:26:59,924 --> 01:27:01,717
-[gantry crashes]
-[crowd cheering]
1845
01:27:03,594 --> 01:27:06,138
We maxed out
with what we could offer him,
1846
01:27:06,221 --> 01:27:08,641
and then Orlando jumped in front of us
1847
01:27:08,724 --> 01:27:10,100
with what they could offer him.
1848
01:27:10,184 --> 01:27:14,855
So, we had to make the offer
to top Orlando's offer.
1849
01:27:14,939 --> 01:27:17,566
Every day, you know, they thought
that they were gonna get him.
1850
01:27:17,650 --> 01:27:19,568
The next day,
something would happen
1851
01:27:19,652 --> 01:27:21,153
and they didn't feel like
they were gonna get him.
1852
01:27:21,236 --> 01:27:23,948
It was an emotional roller coaster
for him, for sure.
1853
01:27:24,031 --> 01:27:25,950
The pursuit of Shaquille O'Neal
1854
01:27:26,033 --> 01:27:27,284
was the most difficult thing.
1855
01:27:27,368 --> 01:27:29,745
You know, there was a bunch
of free agents out there,
1856
01:27:29,828 --> 01:27:31,830
and everyone had a lot of money to spend.
1857
01:27:31,914 --> 01:27:34,959
[upbeat rap music playing]
1858
01:27:37,586 --> 01:27:40,547
[O'Neal] I'm in a strip club
by the name of Magic City,
1859
01:27:40,631 --> 01:27:42,508
partying, having a good time,
1860
01:27:42,591 --> 01:27:44,426
and I had the big dope man phone,
1861
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:46,512
-and it just keeps going off.
-[Kenya] [laughs] The brick!
1862
01:27:46,595 --> 01:27:48,555
I had the brick phone,
it keeps going off.
1863
01:27:48,639 --> 01:27:51,350
-[phone chiming]
-It was my agent, Leonard Armato.
1864
01:27:51,433 --> 01:27:52,977
"Jerry West wants to meet you."
1865
01:27:53,060 --> 01:27:54,687
I was like,
"Okay, set it up for tomorrow."
1866
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:56,021
"No, now".
1867
01:27:56,105 --> 01:27:57,982
It's 3:00 a.m., keep in mind.
1868
01:27:58,065 --> 01:27:59,483
I was like, "What do you mean now?"
1869
01:27:59,566 --> 01:28:01,485
"We got something you want."
1870
01:28:01,568 --> 01:28:03,654
And he wouldn't tell me,
and I was like, "But my man, I'm--"
1871
01:28:03,737 --> 01:28:05,781
He's like, "No, you need
to get over here."
1872
01:28:05,864 --> 01:28:07,783
Up until that moment, you know,
1873
01:28:07,866 --> 01:28:09,827
I don't think Jerry really believed
we were gonna get him.
1874
01:28:11,161 --> 01:28:12,496
-[O'Neal] In a hotel...
-[elevator bell dings]
1875
01:28:12,579 --> 01:28:13,789
...go to the penthouse,
1876
01:28:13,872 --> 01:28:17,251
...and Mr. West has on this
Versace robe and he's smiling,
1877
01:28:17,334 --> 01:28:19,670
and he says, "Shaquille O'Neal,
I know you don't know me,
1878
01:28:19,753 --> 01:28:22,089
but I'm gonna get you what you want."
1879
01:28:22,172 --> 01:28:24,717
When he slapped that piece of paper down,
1880
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:27,136
never seen so many zeroes in my life.
1881
01:28:27,219 --> 01:28:28,679
And I was like...
1882
01:28:28,762 --> 01:28:31,432
And he was smart, he said,
"But you got to sign right now."
1883
01:28:31,515 --> 01:28:33,892
So, when the great
Mr. Jerry West came
1884
01:28:33,976 --> 01:28:36,311
and said, "We got you," I signed.
1885
01:28:36,395 --> 01:28:39,148
Shaquille, uh, I'm gonna present you
with your new jersey
1886
01:28:39,231 --> 01:28:41,525
-and also a hat.
-[audience applauds]
1887
01:28:41,608 --> 01:28:43,944
It was just a masterpiece, you know,
1888
01:28:44,028 --> 01:28:47,823
that somebody can make
a decision on a 17-year-old
1889
01:28:47,906 --> 01:28:49,742
and then at the same time, you know,
1890
01:28:49,825 --> 01:28:52,119
get a 24-year-old All Star
in Shaquille O'Neal.
1891
01:28:52,202 --> 01:28:54,913
It was just a master stroke of genius.
1892
01:28:54,997 --> 01:28:57,207
That relationship that you fostered.
1893
01:28:57,291 --> 01:29:00,878
-Two alphas.
-[chuckles] Very, yeah. Alpha, at least.
1894
01:29:00,961 --> 01:29:02,880
-[Kenya] [laughs] Exactly!
-Alpha, at least.
1895
01:29:04,423 --> 01:29:06,967
[Johnson] The hardest thing
when you got two young guys
1896
01:29:07,051 --> 01:29:10,220
who got egos is to make sure
that they understand
1897
01:29:10,304 --> 01:29:12,681
they need each other
to be successful.
1898
01:29:12,765 --> 01:29:15,517
[Kupchak] Players of that stature,
a lot of their makeup is similar.
1899
01:29:15,601 --> 01:29:19,897
Like, they're both impatient,
both opinionated,
1900
01:29:19,980 --> 01:29:21,857
obsessively competitive.
1901
01:29:21,940 --> 01:29:24,985
[Cooper] You got a young kid
who is ready to rear his head up
1902
01:29:25,069 --> 01:29:26,653
and be the leader of the team.
1903
01:29:26,737 --> 01:29:28,822
You had Shaq
who felt no one could win
1904
01:29:28,906 --> 01:29:31,575
because he's the biggest, baddest dude
on the planet Earth.
1905
01:29:31,658 --> 01:29:33,660
The kid and I were similar.
1906
01:29:33,744 --> 01:29:36,455
I want it, I want it now. This is my shit.
1907
01:29:37,247 --> 01:29:40,375
That's where the friction, you know,
started to come in play.
1908
01:29:40,459 --> 01:29:42,711
[Johnson] Shaq wanted that ball down low.
1909
01:29:42,795 --> 01:29:45,297
Kobe said, "Uh-uh,
I'm taking this jump shot."
1910
01:29:45,380 --> 01:29:47,508
I think that Jerry was really good
at getting them both
1911
01:29:47,591 --> 01:29:49,885
sort of the equilibrium to line up.
1912
01:29:49,968 --> 01:29:51,845
Yeah, and being
the peacemaker between them.
1913
01:29:51,929 --> 01:29:54,348
-Yes.
-Because they both like winning.
1914
01:29:54,431 --> 01:29:57,768
[Cooper] One of the things
that Jerry West has always been great at
1915
01:29:57,851 --> 01:30:01,438
is his ability to squash
inter-team turmoil.
1916
01:30:02,147 --> 01:30:04,191
[O'Neal] He would let us try
to figure it out.
1917
01:30:04,274 --> 01:30:06,652
Then it got to a boiling point.
1918
01:30:06,735 --> 01:30:09,530
It'd be out here, come back in.
1919
01:30:09,613 --> 01:30:11,448
Uh-oh, got to go
to the principal's office.
1920
01:30:11,532 --> 01:30:13,408
[Johnson]
If two guys had a problem,
1921
01:30:13,492 --> 01:30:15,619
you gonna be meeting
with Jerry West, both of you,
1922
01:30:15,702 --> 01:30:18,163
and he gonna squash it right away.
1923
01:30:18,247 --> 01:30:20,207
"Alright, say what you want to say,
both of you.
1924
01:30:20,290 --> 01:30:22,960
"Okay, now when we leave here,
I don't want to hear nothing."
1925
01:30:23,043 --> 01:30:24,878
And he said it
in some different words.
1926
01:30:24,962 --> 01:30:27,548
[all laughing]
1927
01:30:28,465 --> 01:30:29,800
Jerry West.
1928
01:30:29,883 --> 01:30:32,511
I thought at one time,
Jerry West was from the hood.
1929
01:30:32,594 --> 01:30:34,388
[all laughing]
1930
01:30:34,471 --> 01:30:36,849
[Johnson]
Finally, he worked it out with 'em.
1931
01:30:37,933 --> 01:30:40,853
[O'Neal] He helped me
with patience with the kid.
1932
01:30:40,936 --> 01:30:42,354
So, our compromise was,
1933
01:30:42,437 --> 01:30:45,983
give me the ball, let me dominate.
1934
01:30:46,066 --> 01:30:48,527
Fourth quarter is yours.
And it worked.
1935
01:30:48,610 --> 01:30:51,029
[commentator] Shaq double-teamed,
back to Kobe,
1936
01:30:51,113 --> 01:30:52,156
fires a three.
1937
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:54,491
Looking for Shaq. He takes it in deep.
1938
01:30:54,575 --> 01:30:56,368
-Kobe finds Shaq.
-[whistle blows]
1939
01:30:56,451 --> 01:30:58,745
[Jerry] When those two guys
played together,
1940
01:30:58,829 --> 01:31:02,416
it was a combination
that was kinda scary.
1941
01:31:02,499 --> 01:31:05,169
[commentator] Kobe.
Hands it inside to O'Neal.
1942
01:31:05,252 --> 01:31:08,505
Kobe Bryant flips it to Shaq
who has... [indistinct]
1943
01:31:08,589 --> 01:31:10,799
[Riley]
That trade that he made for Kobe,
1944
01:31:10,883 --> 01:31:13,468
and then getting Shaq that same year
1945
01:31:13,552 --> 01:31:16,388
is what built that championship team.
1946
01:31:16,471 --> 01:31:19,141
[commentator] Reggie defending.
Kobe finds Shaq.
1947
01:31:19,224 --> 01:31:20,684
Kobe Bryant.
1948
01:31:20,767 --> 01:31:22,477
Off the rim, and the Lakers...
1949
01:31:23,395 --> 01:31:26,273
are the 2000 NBA champions.
1950
01:31:26,356 --> 01:31:28,650
[commentator 2]
And the Los Angeles Lakers will make it
1951
01:31:28,734 --> 01:31:32,279
a second straight NBA crown.
1952
01:31:32,362 --> 01:31:36,408
The best all-time
playoff winning percentage
1953
01:31:36,491 --> 01:31:39,036
in the history of the league.
1954
01:31:39,119 --> 01:31:41,955
[commentator 3]
The Los Angeles Lakers have made it
1955
01:31:42,039 --> 01:31:45,792
three straight NBA championships.
1956
01:31:47,878 --> 01:31:51,089
They wrap it up in the four-game sweep.
1957
01:31:51,173 --> 01:31:54,051
Kobe Bryant coming up big in the fourth.
1958
01:31:54,134 --> 01:31:56,678
Shaq, 34 points, two rebounds.
1959
01:31:56,762 --> 01:31:58,180
[indistinct chatter]
1960
01:31:58,263 --> 01:32:01,683
[Rosen] But Jerry was getting itchy.
He wanted something more.
1961
01:32:01,767 --> 01:32:03,852
He called me and said,
"I'm done, I'm retiring."
1962
01:32:03,936 --> 01:32:07,272
And I was like, "Yeah, right."
"No, I'm re-- I'm-- today."
1963
01:32:08,315 --> 01:32:11,026
I would never want to do anything
to hurt this franchise.
1964
01:32:11,109 --> 01:32:12,986
This franchise has been
1965
01:32:13,070 --> 01:32:14,821
the most special thing
in the world for me.
1966
01:32:14,905 --> 01:32:17,699
It's just hard to imagine
what my life would be without it.
1967
01:32:17,783 --> 01:32:20,911
I-- I need to get away
from this game for a while. I do.
1968
01:32:20,994 --> 01:32:22,579
There's no question.
1969
01:32:22,663 --> 01:32:24,289
And that was it.
1970
01:32:28,001 --> 01:32:31,255
[rumbling]
1971
01:32:33,507 --> 01:32:35,676
[Jerry] Pull over in this way. Oh, well.
1972
01:32:35,759 --> 01:32:37,094
If we can get off here, I'll pee.
1973
01:32:38,136 --> 01:32:40,681
-[director] Here?
-Go find a tree. [chuckles]
1974
01:32:40,764 --> 01:32:42,266
I don't give a shit.
1975
01:32:43,850 --> 01:32:45,435
[director] We're gonna wait in the car.
1976
01:32:45,519 --> 01:32:47,229
-Yeah, we'll...
-[Jerry] Yeah.
1977
01:32:47,312 --> 01:32:48,981
[director] You don't want
to film him doing this?
1978
01:32:49,064 --> 01:32:50,482
[Jerry] Hell no. Who gives a shit?
1979
01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:53,735
Jerry West is blunt honest. [laughs]
1980
01:32:53,819 --> 01:32:57,572
That's the one thing
that I love about him,
1981
01:32:57,656 --> 01:33:00,492
'cause he gonna tell you
just how he feels.
1982
01:33:00,575 --> 01:33:02,661
No sugarcoating it at all.
1983
01:33:02,744 --> 01:33:05,330
He wears it on his sleeves, man.
He's intense.
1984
01:33:06,290 --> 01:33:09,126
But if you know basketball,
if you know Jerry,
1985
01:33:09,209 --> 01:33:12,379
really what it boils down to,
he just wants to fucking win.
1986
01:33:12,462 --> 01:33:16,550
It's no different than when he was
a player or playing golf.
1987
01:33:16,633 --> 01:33:19,261
-[upbeat music playing]
-[reporter] Bel Air Country Club.
1988
01:33:19,344 --> 01:33:21,305
When West is not at The Forum or at home,
1989
01:33:21,388 --> 01:33:22,723
you can find him here.
1990
01:33:22,806 --> 01:33:24,016
This used to be escape.
1991
01:33:24,099 --> 01:33:27,311
Now it's-- it's gotten to be
a lot easier for me mentally.
1992
01:33:27,394 --> 01:33:29,396
I-I don't get as upset
with it as I used to.
1993
01:33:30,355 --> 01:33:33,483
Don't let his humbleness fool you. Okay?
1994
01:33:33,567 --> 01:33:34,818
Yes, he is humble.
1995
01:33:34,901 --> 01:33:38,739
But put him on the golf course,
and it changes.
1996
01:33:38,822 --> 01:33:42,701
[Jordan] Golf, you know, we-- we learned
not to compete against each other.
1997
01:33:42,784 --> 01:33:44,953
-[Kenya] Why? Why you say that?
-Just because I-- I think
1998
01:33:45,037 --> 01:33:47,372
we didn't want to ruin
the relationship that we had.
1999
01:33:47,456 --> 01:33:48,874
-[laughs]
-[Jordan] Let's-- you know,
2000
01:33:48,957 --> 01:33:50,709
-let's just be teammates.
-[Kenya] Yeah.
2001
01:33:50,792 --> 01:33:53,045
Oh, my God, it's absolutely ridiculous.
2002
01:33:53,128 --> 01:33:54,421
Like... [chuckles]
2003
01:33:54,504 --> 01:33:56,298
He is so good.
I mean, you can tell.
2004
01:33:56,381 --> 01:33:58,800
I mean, he has such great feel
around the greens.
2005
01:33:58,884 --> 01:34:01,720
He is competitive as hell,
and he always wins money.
2006
01:34:01,803 --> 01:34:03,889
He never loses money on the golf course.
2007
01:34:03,972 --> 01:34:05,349
[Kupchak] I was just starting, right?
2008
01:34:05,432 --> 01:34:07,017
He introduced me to the game,
and he hit a ball
2009
01:34:07,100 --> 01:34:08,226
down the fairway, right?
2010
01:34:08,310 --> 01:34:10,479
And we're looking
for the ball for, like, 20 minutes.
2011
01:34:10,562 --> 01:34:14,274
So finally, he had to drop a ball,
and he was pissed.
2012
01:34:14,358 --> 01:34:16,651
-[Kenya laughing]
-[Kupchak] And he's playing by himself.
2013
01:34:16,735 --> 01:34:18,862
But he got so upset with himself
2014
01:34:18,945 --> 01:34:20,655
that he couldn't find the ball.
2015
01:34:20,739 --> 01:34:22,866
When he hates losing,
uh, he-- he shows it.
2016
01:34:22,949 --> 01:34:26,703
-[whistle blows frantically]
-[crowd roars]
2017
01:34:26,787 --> 01:34:30,665
[Worthy] Not too many athletes
can get to that assassination level,
2018
01:34:30,749 --> 01:34:33,752
but a GM to be that way.
2019
01:34:33,835 --> 01:34:35,128
And it was around the clock.
2020
01:34:37,005 --> 01:34:40,092
[Rosen]
I think it was probably 2001.
2021
01:34:40,967 --> 01:34:43,637
I said, "Jerry, why don't you
go back to work?"
2022
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,222
"Well, who's gonna want me?"
2023
01:34:46,556 --> 01:34:48,642
I go, "Everybody's gonna want you."
2024
01:34:48,725 --> 01:34:50,227
And all of a sudden, boom.
[snaps]
2025
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:52,521
It was like Elvis was back.
2026
01:34:52,604 --> 01:34:54,689
-[crowd applauds]
-[upbeat music playing]
2027
01:34:55,982 --> 01:34:57,984
[cheering]
2028
01:34:58,944 --> 01:35:00,612
[Jerry]
Small market teams in the NBA
2029
01:35:00,695 --> 01:35:03,073
have created a special niche
for themselves.
2030
01:35:03,156 --> 01:35:05,200
And I see no reason why we can't create
2031
01:35:05,283 --> 01:35:07,119
that same kind of niche here in Memphis.
2032
01:35:07,202 --> 01:35:09,788
His success in Memphis was immediate.
2033
01:35:09,871 --> 01:35:13,291
His decision-making was quick,
well thought out.
2034
01:35:13,375 --> 01:35:16,044
He knew what he wanted to do,
and he knew what he wanted to build.
2035
01:35:16,128 --> 01:35:17,963
This is gonna be
a fun time for our players
2036
01:35:18,046 --> 01:35:20,173
because they will get better.
2037
01:35:20,257 --> 01:35:21,425
They will get better.
2038
01:35:21,508 --> 01:35:23,593
[Ryan] Before my dad worked there,
2039
01:35:23,677 --> 01:35:25,971
the first year, they won 23 games.
2040
01:35:26,054 --> 01:35:28,056
The following season, they won 50 games.
2041
01:35:28,140 --> 01:35:29,516
[commentator] The foul lines. The sw--
2042
01:35:29,599 --> 01:35:30,767
[newscaster] The Memphis Grizzlies.
2043
01:35:30,851 --> 01:35:32,394
These are not only the good old days,
2044
01:35:32,477 --> 01:35:35,105
they look to be the start
of something entirely new.
2045
01:35:35,188 --> 01:35:36,398
Believe it or not,
2046
01:35:36,481 --> 01:35:39,109
the road to the finals
goes through Memphis.
2047
01:35:39,192 --> 01:35:41,736
[Kupchak] He got into the playoffs
all three years.
2048
01:35:41,820 --> 01:35:43,613
[Ryan] They're a perennial playoff team
2049
01:35:43,697 --> 01:35:45,740
and they're a legit threat in the West.
2050
01:35:45,824 --> 01:35:46,992
[Rosen] He made them important.
2051
01:35:47,075 --> 01:35:48,827
He helped get an arena built there.
2052
01:35:48,910 --> 01:35:51,496
He put the Memphis Grizzlies on the map.
2053
01:35:51,580 --> 01:35:53,915
[Ryan] Winning the Executive
of the Year award.
2054
01:35:53,999 --> 01:35:56,334
I believe it was Rod Thorn that joked
2055
01:35:56,418 --> 01:35:59,421
that it's almost ridiculous
that they would give him the award.
2056
01:35:59,504 --> 01:36:01,089
They should name it after him.
2057
01:36:01,173 --> 01:36:05,260
But he never accepts
a victory as just a victory.
2058
01:36:05,343 --> 01:36:07,345
He wants to top that victory.
2059
01:36:07,429 --> 01:36:10,390
[reporter] Seven NBA titles
as a player and as executive
2060
01:36:10,474 --> 01:36:12,642
and 14 time All Star,
I mean, the list goes on.
2061
01:36:12,726 --> 01:36:14,936
Why come to the Warriors?
Why take on this challenge?
2062
01:36:15,020 --> 01:36:17,147
Well, another great quote.
2063
01:36:17,230 --> 01:36:19,983
Confucius said, "Find a job you love
and you'll never work a day in your life."
2064
01:36:20,066 --> 01:36:22,027
I've never worked a day in my life.
2065
01:36:22,110 --> 01:36:24,654
I love to win. I hate to lose.
2066
01:36:24,738 --> 01:36:25,989
-That's why I'm here
-[reporter] Alright, thank you very much.
2067
01:36:26,072 --> 01:36:28,575
They were considered
one of the worst franchises in the league.
2068
01:36:28,658 --> 01:36:30,994
[Kerr]
There was a 15, 16-year period
2069
01:36:31,077 --> 01:36:32,871
where the Warriors
didn't make the playoffs.
2070
01:36:32,954 --> 01:36:35,957
So, who better to bring in
than The Logo?
2071
01:36:36,041 --> 01:36:39,711
It was a-- a group of people
that had bought the team.
2072
01:36:39,794 --> 01:36:43,423
And one gentleman, Joe Lacob,
was very enthusiastic.
2073
01:36:43,507 --> 01:36:44,841
Oh, my goodness.
2074
01:36:44,925 --> 01:36:46,760
He wanted the best team
in the league immediately.
2075
01:36:46,843 --> 01:36:50,096
We knew that, uh, we were gonna
be pretty aggressive
2076
01:36:50,180 --> 01:36:54,017
and do some perhaps exciting
but also controversial things.
2077
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:56,895
And so, we thought Jerry West
would not only be a great advisor,
2078
01:36:56,978 --> 01:36:59,981
but he would also give us
what he called
2079
01:37:00,065 --> 01:37:01,608
"The Cover of Darkness."
2080
01:37:01,691 --> 01:37:04,194
[Bob Myers] He brought
a level of credibility,
2081
01:37:04,277 --> 01:37:06,071
a level of seriousness.
2082
01:37:06,154 --> 01:37:08,240
He taught me never to operate out of fear,
2083
01:37:08,323 --> 01:37:09,783
which I think is an important lesson.
2084
01:37:09,866 --> 01:37:11,076
They listened to him.
2085
01:37:11,159 --> 01:37:14,329
I could see his fingerprints
all over every draft pick.
2086
01:37:14,412 --> 01:37:17,290
On trades. I remember
when the Iguodala trade was made,
2087
01:37:17,374 --> 01:37:18,792
I said, "That's Jerry." [chuckles]
2088
01:37:18,875 --> 01:37:22,587
He's very, uh, meticulous
on how he wants to see the game
2089
01:37:22,671 --> 01:37:23,922
or how it should be played.
2090
01:37:24,005 --> 01:37:26,841
Very constructive in his criticism.
2091
01:37:26,925 --> 01:37:28,593
He's constantly providing his insight,
2092
01:37:28,677 --> 01:37:30,345
and he's just looking for his next win.
2093
01:37:30,428 --> 01:37:32,514
You know, they had
some really good pieces.
2094
01:37:32,597 --> 01:37:36,601
Steph Curry, who is one of the most
unique players I've ever seen.
2095
01:37:36,685 --> 01:37:38,687
[commentator] Here's Curry. He turns,
2096
01:37:38,770 --> 01:37:40,105
-and he hits!
-[commentator 2] We have a time out.
2097
01:37:40,188 --> 01:37:41,648
[commentator]
...decide not to use it. Curry.
2098
01:37:41,731 --> 01:37:44,401
Right on top. Bang! Bang!
2099
01:37:44,484 --> 01:37:47,028
[Jerry] You know, people look at him,
this little baby face.
2100
01:37:47,112 --> 01:37:48,905
Well, that baby face is an assassin.
2101
01:37:48,989 --> 01:37:50,407
[Kenya] [laughs] Killer.
2102
01:37:50,490 --> 01:37:52,784
[Jerry] And Draymond Green,
he's a tremendous player,
2103
01:37:52,867 --> 01:37:55,745
because he does
the little dirty work thing.
2104
01:37:55,829 --> 01:37:57,789
Klay Thompson, who I absolutely loved,
2105
01:37:57,872 --> 01:37:59,541
I just thought he was great.
2106
01:37:59,624 --> 01:38:01,293
Team just fit together.
2107
01:38:01,376 --> 01:38:03,169
[commentator] Klay Thompson,
another triple!
2108
01:38:03,253 --> 01:38:05,714
[Jerry]
We killed teams on the board.
2109
01:38:05,797 --> 01:38:07,132
[crowd cheering]
2110
01:38:07,215 --> 01:38:09,467
But they were thinking
about making a trade.
2111
01:38:09,551 --> 01:38:11,553
A potential blockbuster trade
2112
01:38:11,636 --> 01:38:13,805
is about to go down
in the Western Conference.
2113
01:38:13,888 --> 01:38:16,141
The Warriors and the Timberwolves
are working on a deal
2114
01:38:16,224 --> 01:38:18,268
that would send Kevin Love to Golden State
2115
01:38:18,351 --> 01:38:20,729
in exchange for Klay Thompson
in their 20...
2116
01:38:20,812 --> 01:38:23,565
[Lacob] You know, we had a lot
of discussions internally.
2117
01:38:23,648 --> 01:38:25,317
You know, Jerry was a big
Klay Thompson fan
2118
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:26,443
from the beginning and maintained that.
2119
01:38:26,526 --> 01:38:28,194
Remember, in the Warriors organization,
2120
01:38:28,278 --> 01:38:31,031
there's four voices
who have a say at the top,
2121
01:38:31,114 --> 01:38:33,575
and not all of them agree
that Klay Thompson
2122
01:38:33,658 --> 01:38:35,577
should be involved
in this trade package for...
2123
01:38:35,660 --> 01:38:38,288
My dad said, like,
that you can't do this trade,
2124
01:38:38,371 --> 01:38:39,998
but if you do this, I-- I'm gonna quit.
2125
01:38:40,081 --> 01:38:42,834
His conviction on what he sees
2126
01:38:42,917 --> 01:38:44,836
and the direction
of where things are going
2127
01:38:44,919 --> 01:38:46,379
is so strong in those moments.
2128
01:38:46,463 --> 01:38:47,964
Jerry's a huge reason why I'm here.
2129
01:38:48,048 --> 01:38:50,967
When I heard that Jerry
put his stamp of approval on me,
2130
01:38:51,051 --> 01:38:52,886
that gave me the ultimate confidence
2131
01:38:52,969 --> 01:38:54,512
when I was a young player.
2132
01:38:54,596 --> 01:38:56,556
[Jerry]
They have a great situation there,
2133
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,392
and it's because of really good drafting
2134
01:38:59,476 --> 01:39:01,394
and not making trades...
2135
01:39:02,354 --> 01:39:04,189
that could have been a disaster for 'em.
2136
01:39:04,272 --> 01:39:07,067
[commentator] If you're wondering
what the NBA record is
2137
01:39:07,150 --> 01:39:10,070
for most points in a quarter,
you just watched it.
2138
01:39:11,321 --> 01:39:15,408
And Klay Thompson, 37 in a quarter!
2139
01:39:15,492 --> 01:39:17,452
[commentator 2]
This is a moment of history here.
2140
01:39:17,535 --> 01:39:19,704
[Rosen] Jerry was adamant
they shouldn't get rid of that player,
2141
01:39:19,788 --> 01:39:21,122
and they didn't.
2142
01:39:21,206 --> 01:39:24,042
[commentator]
What a perfect pass from Steph Curry.
2143
01:39:24,125 --> 01:39:25,710
We get style and substance.
2144
01:39:25,794 --> 01:39:27,504
Having that regular season for the agent.
2145
01:39:27,587 --> 01:39:29,631
James on Curry, spinning,
2146
01:39:29,714 --> 01:39:31,424
puts it up, puts it in!
2147
01:39:31,508 --> 01:39:33,968
[Curry] Jerry's idea
of what great basketball is
2148
01:39:34,052 --> 01:39:35,303
and what a great team is,
2149
01:39:35,387 --> 01:39:36,805
it allowed us to have confidence
2150
01:39:36,888 --> 01:39:38,181
that what we were building
was gonna work.
2151
01:39:38,264 --> 01:39:39,974
[commentator]
And the Golden State Warriors
2152
01:39:40,058 --> 01:39:45,563
are the 2015 NBA champions,
their first title in 40 years.
2153
01:39:45,647 --> 01:39:47,565
[announcer]
Executive board member,
2154
01:39:47,649 --> 01:39:50,110
Hall of Famer Jerry West!
2155
01:39:50,193 --> 01:39:51,361
[crowd cheering]
2156
01:39:51,444 --> 01:39:53,405
[buzzer blares]
2157
01:39:53,488 --> 01:39:55,365
-[crowd cheering]
-[commentator] The greatest regular season
2158
01:39:55,448 --> 01:39:57,409
in NBA history now belongs
2159
01:39:57,492 --> 01:40:00,370
to the 2016 Golden State Warriors,
2160
01:40:00,453 --> 01:40:02,956
73 and 9.
2161
01:40:03,039 --> 01:40:06,876
[Kevin Durant]
2016, I was in between making a decision
2162
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:09,754
on leaving OKC to go to Golden State.
2163
01:40:09,838 --> 01:40:12,507
Jerry was on the phone
with me for, like, an hour,
2164
01:40:12,590 --> 01:40:15,385
and Jerry understood that
Steph, Klay, Draymond,
2165
01:40:15,468 --> 01:40:17,554
our games worked together perfectly.
2166
01:40:17,637 --> 01:40:20,181
So, he was just telling me
how much I can add to it
2167
01:40:20,265 --> 01:40:23,727
and how much I can turn
what they did up to another level.
2168
01:40:23,810 --> 01:40:26,521
[commentator]
Celebration tonight here in Oakland.
2169
01:40:26,604 --> 01:40:27,897
There it is.
2170
01:40:27,981 --> 01:40:31,276
One of the great playoff runs
of all time is complete.
2171
01:40:31,359 --> 01:40:34,529
The Warriors are NBA champions again.
2172
01:40:34,612 --> 01:40:37,323
There's a new dynasty in the NBA,
2173
01:40:37,407 --> 01:40:40,160
the Golden State Warriors,
champions once again,
2174
01:40:40,243 --> 01:40:42,746
back-to-back titles,
three in four years.
2175
01:40:42,829 --> 01:40:45,165
[Jerry] One of the best times
I ever had in my life
2176
01:40:45,248 --> 01:40:47,000
was with the Golden State Warriors.
2177
01:40:47,083 --> 01:40:48,126
It was really fun.
2178
01:40:48,209 --> 01:40:51,963
[Kerr] Jerry had a huge impact
on helping build the foundation
2179
01:40:52,046 --> 01:40:55,550
for what would become four championships
2180
01:40:55,633 --> 01:40:57,177
for this organization.
2181
01:40:57,260 --> 01:40:59,679
[upbeat music playing]
2182
01:41:04,225 --> 01:41:07,020
[Rosen] It was a successful thing
for him, and then he decided,
2183
01:41:07,103 --> 01:41:08,354
"Okay, I'm done."
2184
01:41:08,438 --> 01:41:10,690
And he came back
to Los Angeles.
2185
01:41:10,774 --> 01:41:13,151
[upbeat music playing]
2186
01:41:13,234 --> 01:41:15,820
The new consultant
for the LA Clippers, Jerry West,
2187
01:41:15,904 --> 01:41:17,363
joins us right now, the Hall of Famer.
2188
01:41:17,447 --> 01:41:19,866
Why was this team
the right choice for you
2189
01:41:19,949 --> 01:41:21,659
at this time in your career?
2190
01:41:21,743 --> 01:41:23,703
You know, here in my backyard,
I started here.
2191
01:41:23,787 --> 01:41:27,207
Gives me a chance to--
to end my career here.
2192
01:41:27,290 --> 01:41:29,834
[Karen] It was an exciting time.
It was a new change.
2193
01:41:29,918 --> 01:41:32,462
We're home, we don't--
he doesn't have to go anywhere.
2194
01:41:32,545 --> 01:41:35,006
And, you know,
the Clippers had a new owner,
2195
01:41:35,089 --> 01:41:36,299
and it was a good thing.
2196
01:41:36,382 --> 01:41:38,176
[announcer]
He doesn't really need an introduction.
2197
01:41:38,259 --> 01:41:41,179
We're really excited to--
to have Jerry here with us.
2198
01:41:41,262 --> 01:41:43,681
Thank both of you
for those kind words, but, uh...
2199
01:41:43,765 --> 01:41:45,391
[Steve Ballmer]
When Jerry took this consulting gig,
2200
01:41:45,475 --> 01:41:47,685
I'd been talking with my partner
in the business,
2201
01:41:47,769 --> 01:41:50,897
and he kept saying, "Jeez,
we should have somebody like Jerry West.
2202
01:41:50,980 --> 01:41:54,067
Jerry's done such a great job
for the-- the Warriors."
2203
01:41:54,150 --> 01:41:56,653
And I said, "Well, how about Jerry West?"
2204
01:41:56,736 --> 01:41:59,155
One of the hardest things to do in the NBA
2205
01:41:59,239 --> 01:42:03,827
is to get one superstar,
let alone two superstars.
2206
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:06,996
But there are a couple vital members
that had a huge part.
2207
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:09,916
Jerry West, the greatest architect
there is in the game.
2208
01:42:09,999 --> 01:42:11,793
[all cheering, applauding]
2209
01:42:11,876 --> 01:42:14,170
[Green] Jerry goes somewhere else
and they immediately get
2210
01:42:14,254 --> 01:42:16,506
Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.
2211
01:42:16,589 --> 01:42:19,175
[upbeat music playing]
2212
01:42:20,426 --> 01:42:23,054
Pretty cool! Pretty damn cool!
2213
01:42:24,055 --> 01:42:25,223
Whoo!
2214
01:42:25,306 --> 01:42:26,599
[interviewer] By the way,
h-how the Laker fans
2215
01:42:26,683 --> 01:42:27,892
reacting to you now?
2216
01:42:27,976 --> 01:42:29,936
You know what?
I really don't know.
2217
01:42:30,019 --> 01:42:31,604
-[interviewers laugh]
-He don't care.
2218
01:42:31,688 --> 01:42:35,900
Jerry being at the Clippers,
for me, was hard.
2219
01:42:35,984 --> 01:42:39,904
But I'm a Jerry West man.
I'm a-- I'm a fan, I'm a--
2220
01:42:39,988 --> 01:42:45,118
I love him, so I can hate
everybody but Jerry. [laughs]
2221
01:42:45,201 --> 01:42:46,870
[Rosen] At the end of the day,
he's a Laker.
2222
01:42:46,953 --> 01:42:48,371
When he went to Golden State,
2223
01:42:48,454 --> 01:42:50,248
he was still Jerry West of the Lakers.
2224
01:42:50,331 --> 01:42:53,167
He's at the Clippers.
He's still Jerry West of the Lakers.
2225
01:42:53,251 --> 01:42:55,336
I mean, he's Mr. Laker.
2226
01:42:55,420 --> 01:42:57,714
And we will have a friend...
2227
01:42:59,215 --> 01:43:01,718
that'll put his life
on the line for you.
2228
01:43:01,801 --> 01:43:03,136
That's who Jerry West is.
2229
01:43:03,219 --> 01:43:06,097
If he your friend,
he's your friend all the way,
2230
01:43:06,180 --> 01:43:08,266
and do anything for you.
2231
01:43:08,349 --> 01:43:09,559
[weather presenter]
Good morning, everybody.
2232
01:43:09,642 --> 01:43:11,561
We are looking at a pretty gloomy morning
2233
01:43:11,644 --> 01:43:12,896
across the southland.
2234
01:43:12,979 --> 01:43:15,189
Patchy dense fog,
low visibility. Because...
2235
01:43:15,273 --> 01:43:19,360
[Karen] I was driving home
from the desert early that morning,
2236
01:43:19,444 --> 01:43:23,323
and I kept coming upon these fo--
pockets of fog and I thought,
2237
01:43:23,406 --> 01:43:25,283
"This is so unusual."
2238
01:43:25,366 --> 01:43:27,660
And by the time I got home,
it was pretty foggy.
2239
01:43:27,744 --> 01:43:29,829
And Jerry and I were watching
something on television,
2240
01:43:29,913 --> 01:43:31,372
I don't even remember,
2241
01:43:31,456 --> 01:43:34,459
and he got a phone call
from his son, Mark.
2242
01:43:34,542 --> 01:43:37,211
And he said... "What!"
2243
01:43:37,295 --> 01:43:40,173
I heard-- you know,
I heard him say, "What? Where?
2244
01:43:40,256 --> 01:43:41,633
He's dead?"
2245
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:45,219
I was asleep,
and my phone was ringing.
2246
01:43:45,970 --> 01:43:48,598
I picked up the phone,
it was my dad calling.
2247
01:43:48,681 --> 01:43:50,266
And he said, "Did you hear what happened?"
2248
01:43:50,350 --> 01:43:51,768
And I said, "No,
what are you talking about?"
2249
01:43:51,851 --> 01:43:54,646
-[somber music playing]
-I was in Europe scouting...
2250
01:43:55,855 --> 01:43:57,732
and, uh, I was at dinner.
2251
01:43:57,815 --> 01:44:00,443
Michael sent a text like,
2252
01:44:00,526 --> 01:44:02,320
"Did you hear anything about Kobe?"
2253
01:44:04,405 --> 01:44:07,951
And, um... I said no.
2254
01:44:08,034 --> 01:44:10,703
Well, obviously, I said,
"Well, I'm gonna call Jerry and find out."
2255
01:44:10,787 --> 01:44:12,288
And that's what Jerry told me.
2256
01:44:13,247 --> 01:44:15,416
[siren wailing]
2257
01:44:18,378 --> 01:44:20,380
[newscaster] We're coming on the air
with breaking news.
2258
01:44:20,463 --> 01:44:23,591
Very sad news
that 41-year-old Kobe Bryant
2259
01:44:23,675 --> 01:44:26,094
has been killed in a helicopter crash.
2260
01:44:26,177 --> 01:44:29,889
And we've just learned
his 13-year-old daughter, Gianna,
2261
01:44:29,973 --> 01:44:33,434
was also on that helicopter,
and she also died.
2262
01:44:33,518 --> 01:44:36,437
Any moment now, we are expecting
to hear from the Los Angeles...
2263
01:44:36,521 --> 01:44:38,231
[somber music continues]
2264
01:44:38,314 --> 01:44:40,066
[Jerry] This is a godawful day.
2265
01:44:41,776 --> 01:44:43,736
[sighs] I'm just devastated...
2266
01:44:44,737 --> 01:44:46,948
by... this news.
2267
01:44:48,866 --> 01:44:51,452
We were mad.
Both of us were mad.
2268
01:44:51,536 --> 01:44:53,830
We were absolutely angry, you know,
2269
01:44:53,913 --> 01:44:55,206
because of how it happened.
2270
01:44:55,289 --> 01:44:56,457
Not fair.
2271
01:44:57,375 --> 01:45:00,962
I think that was his attitude.
Just "Why him?"
2272
01:45:01,045 --> 01:45:03,798
[Jonnie] Like, their relationship
and what-- what they had,
2273
01:45:03,881 --> 01:45:05,591
for him, it's like losing a child.
2274
01:45:06,509 --> 01:45:08,720
[Karen] Jerry took Kobe under his wing.
2275
01:45:08,803 --> 01:45:11,305
We met him as a teenager,
he was Ryan's age.
2276
01:45:11,389 --> 01:45:14,600
He and Ryan hung out,
and at the time, Kobe didn't drive.
2277
01:45:14,684 --> 01:45:16,686
Ryan would drive him around.
2278
01:45:16,769 --> 01:45:19,313
You know, Kobe's nine months
older than me.
2279
01:45:19,397 --> 01:45:22,608
I went on several road trips
with the Lakers
2280
01:45:22,692 --> 01:45:24,235
when Kobe was young.
2281
01:45:24,318 --> 01:45:27,030
We would hang out in his room,
play video games.
2282
01:45:27,113 --> 01:45:29,032
[Karen] Kobe would come over for dinner
2283
01:45:29,115 --> 01:45:31,576
every once in a while,
and he liked my spaghetti.
2284
01:45:31,659 --> 01:45:33,536
So, really, he was part of the family.
2285
01:45:34,537 --> 01:45:36,831
Jerry and Kobe kept in contact.
2286
01:45:36,914 --> 01:45:39,125
Kobe would call him for advice.
2287
01:45:39,208 --> 01:45:41,127
They were-- they were very close.
2288
01:45:42,211 --> 01:45:44,338
[Jerry]
Uh, saddest day of my life.
2289
01:45:44,422 --> 01:45:47,050
[somber music playing]
2290
01:45:47,133 --> 01:45:48,885
I lost a brother in Korea,
2291
01:45:48,968 --> 01:45:52,638
and the only thing
that compares to this, to me.
2292
01:45:55,349 --> 01:45:58,436
[Kupchak] When Jerry and I spoke,
he couldn't talk much.
2293
01:46:00,563 --> 01:46:01,856
He went dark.
2294
01:46:01,939 --> 01:46:05,610
You know, one of the few times
that I did want to talk about something,
2295
01:46:05,693 --> 01:46:07,445
you know, he couldn't do it.
2296
01:46:08,654 --> 01:46:10,823
And he was--
I-I can't even tell you
2297
01:46:10,907 --> 01:46:12,617
how distraught we both were.
2298
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:15,995
We became, you know,
each other's comfort zones,
2299
01:46:16,079 --> 01:46:17,914
you know, to get through it all.
2300
01:46:17,997 --> 01:46:20,750
Honestly, I felt like
his father for ten years.
2301
01:46:20,833 --> 01:46:22,335
[sobs]
2302
01:46:22,418 --> 01:46:24,003
[exhales]
2303
01:46:24,087 --> 01:46:26,089
[somber music continues]
2304
01:46:28,883 --> 01:46:31,344
I don't know if I can get over this.
I really don't.
2305
01:46:37,308 --> 01:46:40,019
[Kenya] So, your dad was no longer
with the Lakers
2306
01:46:40,103 --> 01:46:43,815
when this unimaginable tragedy happened.
2307
01:46:43,898 --> 01:46:46,067
How do you think it affected him?
2308
01:46:46,150 --> 01:46:49,112
Well, I think when you have
something as tragic as that,
2309
01:46:49,195 --> 01:46:50,780
something as shocking as that,
2310
01:46:50,863 --> 01:46:53,241
you know, you always wish
you had more time.
2311
01:46:53,324 --> 01:46:57,036
W-With my dad, I'm sure it probably
hit him hard that he wasn't there.
2312
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:58,955
[soft music playing]
2313
01:47:00,498 --> 01:47:04,210
[Riley] The people who were there
from 1970 to 1990,
2314
01:47:04,293 --> 01:47:06,504
we all rode this thing together.
2315
01:47:06,587 --> 01:47:10,216
From 1990 to 2010,
2316
01:47:10,299 --> 01:47:13,886
there was another generation
of people there.
2317
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:17,598
There's a change.
You don't have the same heartfelt emotions
2318
01:47:17,682 --> 01:47:20,518
for the people
who really created something,
2319
01:47:20,601 --> 01:47:25,314
and-- and Jerry created everything
from the '80s to 2000.
2320
01:47:27,150 --> 01:47:30,027
[Karen] Jerry Buss
was a father figure to him.
2321
01:47:30,111 --> 01:47:33,197
And it was very disappointing to him,
because in the end,
2322
01:47:33,281 --> 01:47:34,949
I don't think he was appreciated.
2323
01:47:35,950 --> 01:47:40,246
I know I'll get some criticism for this,
but I say this.
2324
01:47:40,329 --> 01:47:43,791
I think it was-- history will show
2325
01:47:43,875 --> 01:47:47,044
that it was the biggest mistake
the Lakers ever made
2326
01:47:47,128 --> 01:47:51,257
was to-- to allow, uh, Jerry to get away.
2327
01:47:53,634 --> 01:47:56,679
[Riley] He loved that team.
He was there for 40 years.
2328
01:47:56,762 --> 01:48:00,266
And so, when Jerry left the Lakers,
2329
01:48:00,349 --> 01:48:04,979
it was probably
the deepest wound, probably ever,
2330
01:48:05,062 --> 01:48:07,023
that he had to endure.
2331
01:48:13,779 --> 01:48:15,198
[crewmember] That good?
2332
01:48:15,281 --> 01:48:17,491
-[Kenya] Okay. Hey. [laughs]
-Hi. [laughs]
2333
01:48:17,575 --> 01:48:20,077
Thank you so much for doing this.
Honestly, that means a lot.
2334
01:48:20,161 --> 01:48:23,206
Um, there's so many banners
behind you I'm looking at.
2335
01:48:23,289 --> 01:48:27,168
Um, since Jerry left,
you know, it was complicated.
2336
01:48:27,251 --> 01:48:30,379
The relationship between the Lakers
and-- and Jerry was complicated.
2337
01:48:30,463 --> 01:48:32,840
No one can really, truthfully--
and I've asked--
2338
01:48:32,924 --> 01:48:35,051
nobody really can actually explain it.
2339
01:48:35,134 --> 01:48:37,094
-He spoke at your dad's funeral.
-Mm-hmm.
2340
01:48:37,178 --> 01:48:39,096
He said that graveyards
are full of people
2341
01:48:39,180 --> 01:48:40,806
who wish they had more time.
2342
01:48:40,890 --> 01:48:43,017
You know, and I felt like
if he was here, what do you think,
2343
01:48:43,100 --> 01:48:44,894
you know, you would say to him?
2344
01:48:44,977 --> 01:48:47,521
I-- I mean, I would say, like,
2345
01:48:47,605 --> 01:48:49,899
thank you for making my job easier,
2346
01:48:49,982 --> 01:48:51,859
because what you established,
2347
01:48:51,943 --> 01:48:54,987
the-- the bar that you set
with the Lakers
2348
01:48:55,071 --> 01:48:58,074
continues to feed into the player's desire
2349
01:48:58,157 --> 01:48:59,825
to come here and play.
2350
01:48:59,909 --> 01:49:03,663
You know, I remember
dedicating the statue,
2351
01:49:03,746 --> 01:49:08,751
and, you know, and him being part
of tying the new arena
2352
01:49:08,834 --> 01:49:13,297
to the history of the Lakers
was so important.
2353
01:49:13,381 --> 01:49:16,133
[Jerry Buss] How many people
have a statue made to honor them?
2354
01:49:16,217 --> 01:49:17,593
One in a million?
2355
01:49:18,803 --> 01:49:21,180
Well, Jerry's certainly one of those.
2356
01:49:21,264 --> 01:49:24,475
[Jeanie] Jerry Buss
and Jerry West coming together
2357
01:49:24,558 --> 01:49:27,728
created a brand that continues.
2358
01:49:27,812 --> 01:49:29,647
Two other young ladies
I've watched mature
2359
01:49:29,730 --> 01:49:32,024
and become very competent executives
in their own right,
2360
01:49:32,108 --> 01:49:34,193
-who gave me great support...
-[crowd applauds]
2361
01:49:35,778 --> 01:49:38,906
Laker girl Jeanie Buss,
I so greatly admired.
2362
01:49:39,907 --> 01:49:43,119
I wish my dad owned the team
when Jerry was still playing.
2363
01:49:43,202 --> 01:49:45,121
'cause there was probably
a lot more winning
2364
01:49:45,204 --> 01:49:47,915
that would've happened
instead of the frustration
2365
01:49:47,999 --> 01:49:50,918
that drove Jerry, you know,
2366
01:49:51,002 --> 01:49:53,963
losing to the Celtics so many times.
2367
01:49:54,046 --> 01:49:56,590
And the match of those two men
2368
01:49:56,674 --> 01:49:59,051
really made something special.
2369
01:49:59,135 --> 01:50:04,015
So, I am just humbled that we continue
2370
01:50:04,098 --> 01:50:05,975
to build on that legacy.
2371
01:50:06,851 --> 01:50:08,853
You know, when we're talking,
2372
01:50:08,936 --> 01:50:11,981
I-- I see 44, you know,
2373
01:50:12,064 --> 01:50:14,900
in my mind and his jersey.
2374
01:50:14,984 --> 01:50:18,446
And I mean, I-- I just--
I would want to thank him
2375
01:50:18,529 --> 01:50:21,240
for everything that he did
2376
01:50:21,324 --> 01:50:24,285
and that I continue
2377
01:50:24,368 --> 01:50:27,621
to honor his legacy
2378
01:50:27,705 --> 01:50:31,083
and what he meant to this team.
2379
01:50:31,167 --> 01:50:36,422
Because the players
that are part of the Lakers now
2380
01:50:36,505 --> 01:50:39,425
are not playing for Jeanie Buss.
2381
01:50:39,508 --> 01:50:43,095
They're playing to be part of the legacy
2382
01:50:43,179 --> 01:50:47,141
Jerry West and Jerry Buss created for me
2383
01:50:47,224 --> 01:50:49,602
and my ability to do my job,
2384
01:50:49,685 --> 01:50:53,898
because they created
the-- the history
2385
01:50:53,981 --> 01:50:57,360
that now is-- is the attraction
2386
01:50:57,443 --> 01:51:01,739
for the top free agent to come and sign
2387
01:51:01,822 --> 01:51:04,658
and be part of what you created.
2388
01:51:04,742 --> 01:51:08,913
You're in the fabric of what makes
the Lakers the Lakers.
2389
01:51:08,996 --> 01:51:10,498
You're The Logo.
2390
01:51:10,581 --> 01:51:13,167
[gentle music playing]
2391
01:51:26,472 --> 01:51:28,349
[Ryan] I was probably six or seven
2392
01:51:28,432 --> 01:51:31,310
when it really started
to make sense for me who he was.
2393
01:51:31,394 --> 01:51:33,104
There was this mysterious thing,
2394
01:51:33,187 --> 01:51:34,939
maybe it is, maybe it isn't him.
2395
01:51:35,022 --> 01:51:38,025
But it was something that the NBA
would never come out
2396
01:51:38,109 --> 01:51:40,069
and officially announce that he was.
2397
01:51:40,152 --> 01:51:42,405
I know for years it's been a touchy topic
2398
01:51:42,488 --> 01:51:44,240
that, you know, Jerry West was the logo.
2399
01:51:44,323 --> 01:51:46,492
The NBA has never
publicly acknowledged that
2400
01:51:46,575 --> 01:51:49,078
because of business reasons
and legal reasons, I'm sure.
2401
01:51:49,161 --> 01:51:52,081
But Jerry, even when I brought it up
to him, he-- he said,
2402
01:51:52,164 --> 01:51:54,208
"You know, Dan, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter."
2403
01:51:54,291 --> 01:51:55,626
[speaker] He wouldn't have
asked for anything.
2404
01:51:55,709 --> 01:51:57,545
-No.
-But it'd be nice if the NBA today
2405
01:51:57,628 --> 01:52:01,340
announced that this is
and will be the logo.
2406
01:52:04,093 --> 01:52:05,469
[Kenya] Just to get into this,
2407
01:52:05,553 --> 01:52:08,848
what was your favorite Jerry nickname?
2408
01:52:08,931 --> 01:52:10,057
He had a few.
2409
01:52:12,017 --> 01:52:13,769
I think The Logo.
2410
01:52:13,853 --> 01:52:16,272
-We already know, The Logo.
-Logo.
2411
01:52:16,355 --> 01:52:18,649
An absolute icon and The Logo.
2412
01:52:18,732 --> 01:52:19,733
Obviously, he's The Logo.
2413
01:52:19,817 --> 01:52:21,277
-He's The Logo.
-Oh, absolutely.
2414
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:22,695
[upbeat music playing]
2415
01:52:22,778 --> 01:52:25,614
[Silver] I think he and I both got
a kick over the stories of,
2416
01:52:25,698 --> 01:52:28,075
was he the logo, was he not the logo?
2417
01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:30,578
I think David Stern,
the consummate lawyer,
2418
01:52:30,661 --> 01:52:34,039
never wanted to acknowledge
that Jerry was the logo.
2419
01:52:34,123 --> 01:52:36,333
I-I happen to have talked to Alan Siegel,
2420
01:52:36,417 --> 01:52:38,127
who's the creator of the logo, and, um...
2421
01:52:38,210 --> 01:52:40,796
-He says it. [laughs]
-He-- he says it.
2422
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:43,007
[Alan Siegel]
NBA wanted to have a symbol
2423
01:52:43,090 --> 01:52:44,925
for the identity for the league.
2424
01:52:45,009 --> 01:52:47,595
We probably did about
30 different takes, you know,
2425
01:52:47,678 --> 01:52:51,182
from, uh, multiple players
with their hands above the rim
2426
01:52:51,265 --> 01:52:53,684
to stylized shooting.
2427
01:52:53,767 --> 01:52:56,937
While I was doing it,
I went to Sport Magazine
2428
01:52:57,021 --> 01:53:00,858
and I found this picture of Jerry West,
and I had grown up
2429
01:53:00,941 --> 01:53:04,403
you know, as a great fan
of the NBA and Jerry West.
2430
01:53:04,487 --> 01:53:08,407
And I thought this picture that I found
of him dribbling up the court
2431
01:53:08,491 --> 01:53:10,034
was very elegant,
2432
01:53:10,117 --> 01:53:13,245
very classic, showed a dynamic motion.
2433
01:53:13,329 --> 01:53:17,166
Uh, and I used that as the basis
for designing the symbol.
2434
01:53:17,249 --> 01:53:21,587
They immediately gravitated
toward this design direction,
2435
01:53:21,670 --> 01:53:24,131
and it was approved and put into use.
2436
01:53:24,215 --> 01:53:25,758
The media picked up on it,
2437
01:53:25,841 --> 01:53:28,260
and then it became a cause cรฉlรจbre
2438
01:53:28,344 --> 01:53:31,931
because Jerry was uncomfortable
with being the symbol.
2439
01:53:32,014 --> 01:53:33,974
[Jerry] You know, first of all,
I wish that...
2440
01:53:35,267 --> 01:53:37,645
had never gotten out
about the logo.
2441
01:53:37,728 --> 01:53:39,313
-[all laughing]
-I do, really.
2442
01:53:39,396 --> 01:53:41,065
-Uh, no, I-I really do.
-Hey, it's the best nickname ever,
2443
01:53:41,148 --> 01:53:43,108
-by the way.
-And I've said it more than once
2444
01:53:43,192 --> 01:53:46,570
and, you know, it's flattering
if that's me and I know it is me.
2445
01:53:46,654 --> 01:53:49,031
-Yes.
-But it is flattering, and, uh,
2446
01:53:49,114 --> 01:53:51,325
but I don't like to do anything
to call attention to myself.
2447
01:53:51,408 --> 01:53:53,118
That's just not who I am. Period.
2448
01:53:53,202 --> 01:53:55,079
[Kenya] He would say he doesn't care.
2449
01:53:55,162 --> 01:53:57,373
But then at the same time,
he'd hand me a hat that says Logo.
2450
01:53:57,456 --> 01:53:59,833
I'm like, sure, you care.
I would say. [laughs]
2451
01:53:59,917 --> 01:54:02,878
Knowing Jerry the way I know him,
2452
01:54:02,962 --> 01:54:07,341
I think that there's a part of him
that he's very proud
2453
01:54:07,424 --> 01:54:09,802
that the logo was based after him.
2454
01:54:09,885 --> 01:54:12,096
But he's not the kind of guy
that would go around
2455
01:54:12,179 --> 01:54:14,557
telling everybody, "That's me."
2456
01:54:14,640 --> 01:54:17,476
I mean, there's a lot of people
that could have been the logo, right?
2457
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,019
Wilt could have been the logo.
2458
01:54:19,103 --> 01:54:21,564
-[Kenya] You could have been the logo.
-[Abdul-Jabbar] I could've been, or Oscar.
2459
01:54:21,647 --> 01:54:24,858
But making Jerry,
the great master of the game,
2460
01:54:24,942 --> 01:54:27,611
that wasn't a bad choice, okay?
That was a good choice.
2461
01:54:27,695 --> 01:54:30,114
[Ryan]
Given his longevity in the NBA...
2462
01:54:30,948 --> 01:54:34,076
given what he's meant to the NBA,
2463
01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:37,246
being a part of it
for 60-something years,
2464
01:54:37,329 --> 01:54:40,124
for Adam to confirm it now to the world
2465
01:54:40,207 --> 01:54:42,334
uh, means everything to us.
2466
01:54:42,418 --> 01:54:45,087
[Riley] That is one that
they should never change.
2467
01:54:45,170 --> 01:54:47,548
Until he takes his last breath,
2468
01:54:47,631 --> 01:54:50,843
nobody else deserves to be The Logo.
2469
01:54:52,219 --> 01:54:55,139
[bright music playing]
2470
01:55:10,029 --> 01:55:12,948
[crowd applauds]
2471
01:55:16,076 --> 01:55:18,746
[host] Presenting Jerry West
to the Hall of Fame
2472
01:55:18,829 --> 01:55:21,957
for the third time
is Jerry's son, Jonnie West.
2473
01:55:22,041 --> 01:55:24,043
[audience applauds]
2474
01:55:25,252 --> 01:55:27,338
[Jonnie] The truth is,
my dad would have struggled
2475
01:55:27,421 --> 01:55:29,006
to accept all this recognition.
2476
01:55:29,673 --> 01:55:31,925
He had a habit
of tuning out all the praise
2477
01:55:32,009 --> 01:55:33,969
and hearing only criticism.
2478
01:55:34,053 --> 01:55:37,056
But I'm here today to talk about
how good he was at his job,
2479
01:55:37,139 --> 01:55:38,807
whether he likes it or not...
2480
01:55:40,142 --> 01:55:41,810
because Jerry Alan West,
2481
01:55:41,894 --> 01:55:45,648
once an overlooked kid
from little Chelyan, West Virginia,
2482
01:55:45,731 --> 01:55:48,734
is a hall of famer
for a historic third time.
2483
01:55:48,817 --> 01:55:52,196
[audience applauding]
2484
01:55:54,239 --> 01:55:56,575
Dad, I want to thank you
2485
01:55:56,659 --> 01:55:58,994
for everything you have done
for the game of basketball...
2486
01:55:59,953 --> 01:56:01,580
and for everyone within the game.
2487
01:56:05,250 --> 01:56:08,170
[bright music continues]
2488
01:56:11,590 --> 01:56:15,052
[speaker] As an everlasting tribute
to Jerry West,
2489
01:56:15,135 --> 01:56:19,139
no WVU athlete
in any sport will ever again
2490
01:56:19,223 --> 01:56:21,517
wear the number 44.
2491
01:56:23,602 --> 01:56:26,146
[Ryan]
I don't think my dad realized
2492
01:56:26,230 --> 01:56:30,109
how many people cared about him
as deeply as they do.
2493
01:56:31,276 --> 01:56:34,196
So, I'm gonna read you
a quote from Bill Russell.
2494
01:56:34,279 --> 01:56:35,781
This one stood out for me.
2495
01:56:38,033 --> 01:56:40,077
I just want to thank everybody for coming.
2496
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:43,914
Jerry West was a very,
very dear friend of mine.
2497
01:56:43,997 --> 01:56:45,791
I've known since 1970.
2498
01:56:46,667 --> 01:56:50,170
The door opened at Loyola,
in walked Jerry West.
2499
01:56:50,254 --> 01:56:52,256
He had a ball underneath his arm.
2500
01:56:52,339 --> 01:56:54,717
He said, "Pat, welcome to the Lakers.
2501
01:56:55,759 --> 01:56:57,344
You're really gonna help us."
2502
01:56:58,178 --> 01:56:59,638
And that was it.
2503
01:56:59,722 --> 01:57:02,516
You have no idea what that did for me.
2504
01:57:02,599 --> 01:57:05,018
[Kenya] He said,
"The greatest honor a man can have
2505
01:57:05,102 --> 01:57:07,062
"is the respect and friendship
of his peers.
2506
01:57:08,564 --> 01:57:10,649
"You have that
more than any man I know.
2507
01:57:13,444 --> 01:57:14,987
"If I could have one wish granted,
2508
01:57:15,070 --> 01:57:17,531
it would be that
you would always be happy."
2509
01:57:19,658 --> 01:57:22,494
[uplifting music playing]
2510
01:57:22,578 --> 01:57:25,456
[Vitti] Jerry's legacy is having
2511
01:57:25,539 --> 01:57:29,168
the morals, values, and ethics,
2512
01:57:29,251 --> 01:57:32,045
the ethos that was created by the Greeks,
2513
01:57:32,129 --> 01:57:34,131
and he lived that way.
2514
01:57:34,214 --> 01:57:38,093
[Curry] The greatest talents
and the greatest legends of the game,
2515
01:57:38,177 --> 01:57:40,262
they don't need to necessarily
pat themselves on the back.
2516
01:57:40,345 --> 01:57:43,182
They know they're respected
because their name means something.
2517
01:57:43,265 --> 01:57:45,017
And I feel like he didn't need
to say anything
2518
01:57:45,100 --> 01:57:47,227
other than "I'm Jerry West."
2519
01:57:47,311 --> 01:57:50,898
He was a complicated person.
2520
01:57:50,981 --> 01:57:52,983
[sobs softly] He was a fighter.
2521
01:57:53,859 --> 01:57:58,155
He had incredible empathy,
compassion, kindness...
2522
01:57:59,072 --> 01:58:01,158
and wanting to do the right thing for all.
2523
01:58:02,201 --> 01:58:03,535
[Tellem] I think about him every day.
2524
01:58:03,619 --> 01:58:07,206
His words, his thoughts echo within me.
2525
01:58:07,289 --> 01:58:09,833
And I think what makes him to me such a...
2526
01:58:13,504 --> 01:58:17,508
so impactful, is that we all know...
2527
01:58:18,383 --> 01:58:21,220
in the end that we're gonna die.
There's a finality to life.
2528
01:58:22,095 --> 01:58:23,931
And he certainly did,
and he talked about it.
2529
01:58:25,015 --> 01:58:28,727
But it's being able
to express your vulnerabilities,
2530
01:58:28,811 --> 01:58:31,438
transcend your vulnerabilities,
2531
01:58:31,522 --> 01:58:33,106
is what gives your life meaning.
2532
01:58:34,274 --> 01:58:38,695
And that's how he would help me,
or any player,
2533
01:58:38,779 --> 01:58:41,615
or anyone else that he came to know,
2534
01:58:41,698 --> 01:58:45,452
was that he could open up,
talk to them, help them.
2535
01:58:45,536 --> 01:58:47,788
That's why his life was so meaningful,
2536
01:58:47,871 --> 01:58:49,998
it's the impact he had
on everyone else.
2537
01:58:50,082 --> 01:58:53,710
"There is nothing
to be sad about anymore, young man.
2538
01:58:53,794 --> 01:58:55,796
You have did it,
and you did it your way."
2539
01:58:55,879 --> 01:58:57,923
And that's the one thing
I'll always appreciate
2540
01:58:58,006 --> 01:59:00,759
and love you forever, Mr. Clutch.
2541
01:59:00,843 --> 01:59:02,803
Jerry West, I love you
like a brother, man.
2542
01:59:02,886 --> 01:59:05,931
And I wish I could've played with you.
2543
01:59:06,765 --> 01:59:08,725
Playing against you, I'm pretty sure
I would've whipped your ass.
2544
01:59:08,809 --> 01:59:11,228
-[Kenya laughs]
-[Jordan] Uh, but playing with you,
2545
01:59:11,311 --> 01:59:12,938
I know we would've dominated.
2546
01:59:13,021 --> 01:59:17,776
[Johnson] Jerry was a special player,
special executive,
2547
01:59:17,860 --> 01:59:22,906
special everything,
father, husband, friend, confidant,
2548
01:59:22,990 --> 01:59:25,284
supporter, mentor.
2549
01:59:25,367 --> 01:59:28,161
Jerry, you are like my father.
2550
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:31,540
A man who I respect.
2551
01:59:32,332 --> 01:59:34,710
A man that who has made me who I am.
2552
01:59:35,627 --> 01:59:38,005
So, thank you, sir.
2553
01:59:39,882 --> 01:59:41,508
[Kenya] That's awesome.
2554
01:59:41,592 --> 01:59:43,093
That's how you end
a motherfucking interview.
2555
01:59:43,176 --> 01:59:44,845
[crew laughs]
2556
01:59:44,928 --> 01:59:46,847
Take this goddamn mic off.
2557
01:59:46,930 --> 01:59:50,350
[gentle music playing]
2558
02:00:05,365 --> 02:00:06,909
[Kenya] The kids are innocent.
2559
02:00:06,992 --> 02:00:08,493
Hey, Makenna.
2560
02:00:09,494 --> 02:00:10,787
Where's my Makenna?
2561
02:00:11,955 --> 02:00:13,332
Where's my girlfriend?
2562
02:00:13,415 --> 02:00:15,584
[Jerry] Hey.
2563
02:00:15,667 --> 02:00:16,919
[Kenya chuckles]
2564
02:00:17,002 --> 02:00:19,046
-[Jerry] Say hi.
-Look at that big smile.
2565
02:00:19,129 --> 02:00:21,256
-[laughing]
-Come on.
2566
02:00:22,049 --> 02:00:23,884
[Kenya laughs]
2567
02:00:23,967 --> 02:00:25,093
Oh, I love that.
2568
02:00:26,178 --> 02:00:28,180
[laughs] Aw!
2569
02:00:28,263 --> 02:00:29,973
How's my girlfriend?
2570
02:00:30,057 --> 02:00:31,808
How was school?
2571
02:00:31,892 --> 02:00:33,393
They're taking a picture of you.
2572
02:00:34,645 --> 02:00:37,731
[Jonnie] With him and Makenna,
he says "I love you" to her.
2573
02:00:37,814 --> 02:00:39,024
He kisses her.
2574
02:00:39,107 --> 02:00:42,194
Somebody told me recently,
"When you're a parent,
2575
02:00:42,277 --> 02:00:45,697
"like, you have no idea
what it is to be a parent.
2576
02:00:46,698 --> 02:00:50,202
When you're a grandparent,
you know how to be a parent,"
2577
02:00:50,285 --> 02:00:54,331
and how you put everything
into your grandchildren,
2578
02:00:54,414 --> 02:00:57,250
I think shows more
who you are as a parent.
2579
02:00:58,251 --> 02:01:00,963
[Kenya] You know what-- you know
what granddad's doing right now?
2580
02:01:02,673 --> 02:01:04,341
He's talking about some questions.
Can we...
2581
02:01:04,424 --> 02:01:06,718
Can-- can you say hi?
You want to say hi?
2582
02:01:06,802 --> 02:01:09,805
[gentle music continues]
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