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Roxanne Shanté,
you are one of the queens.
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- Yes.
- You're one
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of the true cornerstones.
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What is the--
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the women's movement
in hip hop now and today?
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You know, when I look at it now,
it's an honor for me
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to see my hip hop sisters
sign these deals,
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knowing that they had
the say-so.
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Seeing them doing commercials,
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knowing that they made
those decisions,
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seeing them have babies
and not having to hide it.
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We used to have to hide it,
so to see my sisters
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out there doing they rhymes
and letting 'em know,
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like, look, this is continuing
on to the next generation
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is truly an honor for me.
- Yeah.
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And we are giving
everything out here.
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So, now when I sit back
and I see the place
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for women in hip hop now,
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they are just where
they're supposed to be--
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on fucking time.
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♪
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LL COOL J:
Hip hop is everywhere--
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every corner of the globe.
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To understand
the power of hip hop today,
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you have to go back
to where it all started.
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SINGER: ♪ Ain't no love... ♪
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LL COOL J: ...my hometown,
New York City.
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Because listen, when I tell you
hip hop was born here.
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♪ ...in the heart of town
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♪ Ain't no love ♪
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REPORTER: Can you say
that rap is a boys thing?
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Because there aren't
much girl rappers.
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- What's your opinion on that?
- Well, you got girl rappers,
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- It's just that, you know--
- Not many, not many.
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- Well, that's just--
- Most of them are boys.
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You know, it's inevitable,
just like anything else.
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You know, it takes time
for you to get these things.
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You know, female rappers will
be, you know, they're out there.
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Eventually, there'll be
a big, successful group.
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♪
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Hip hop's early years
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were about an underground
New York City art form
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pushing to break through.
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- Who that...
- Oh, no, girls?
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At the very same time,
inside of hip hop itself,
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there was another set
of voices fighting to be heard.
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♪ We have to come to an
agreement who's gonna survive ♪
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♪ The Cold Crush four
or the Fantastic Five ♪
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LL COOL J:
In a genre dominated by men,
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women in hip hop faced
even longer odds.
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It's not male-dominated anymore.
It's co-ed.
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To truly understand
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the path women in the game
have traveled,
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to capture how they've gone
from overlooked and ignored
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to dominating the genre
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and pushing the culture
to all-new heights...
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All the girls
doing they thing right now.
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This has been the year
of women rappers.
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You carrying the torch
for us right now.
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[audience cheering]
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...you gotta start
that journey in New York,
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a city where generations
of female voices
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have been at the forefront
of this movement.
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From Sha-Rock
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to hip hop's first music mogul,
Sylvia Robinson,
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to Salt-N-Pepa
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to those reinventing
the art form today.
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- Woosah.
- [cheers and applause]
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And who better to speak to
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than one of those
hip hop pioneers,
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an artist who was one
of the first to break through
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in those early days--
Queens native,
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my sis, Roxanne Shanté?
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[siren wailing in distance]
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- Roxanne Shanté.
- Please believe it, baby.
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♪
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Roxanne Shanté's impact
on hip hop is undisputed.
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You don't win a Grammy Lifetime
Achievement Award by accident.
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♪ You started talkin' Pig Latin,
didn't make no sense ♪
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♪ You thought you was cute,
yeah ♪
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♪ You thought you was a prince ♪
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LL COOL J:
Today I wanna talk to Roxanne
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about how she started
on that path.
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♪ I'm just the devastatin',
always rockin' ♪
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♪ Always have
the fly guys clockin' ♪
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♪ Everybody knows it's me,
the R-O-X-A-N-N-E ♪
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LL COOL J:
From a tough young girl
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in the Queensbridge projects
to a trailblazing hip hop icon
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whose influences are
still being felt to this day.
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SHANTÉ:
♪ The R-O-X-A-N-N-E ♪
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Where I wanna start with is,
you're a young lady.
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How do you get exposed
to hip hop?
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SHANTÉ: I wanna say,
the very first time I knew
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that there was something
called hip hop,
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I might have been
about 8 years old.
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LL COOL J: Okay.
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Hearing the music in my heart,
I was like,
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I know I'm-a do that.
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- So, it just clicked.
- It just clicked.
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♪
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LL COOL J: So, let's dig in.
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Describe to me
as you came up in the game,
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what is it like
for a young woman in hip hop?
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I remember the very first time
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they wanted to separate me
from being great on a mic.
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- Tell us about it.
- I was 10 years old.
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- Okay.
- They said,
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"Look, there's a battle,
and it's gonna be for $50."
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My mom was on a fixed income,
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and I remember telling my mom,
like, we could win $50.
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And I remember
her cutting off the food.
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"How?" 'Cause $50--
$50 was a lot of money. How?!
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♪
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- Our rent was, like, $34.
- Wow.
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So, you know, you talkin'
about a month's rent, literally.
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- Right.
- $50 was a lot of money.
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You know what I'm saying?
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When we got there,
I remember someone
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getting me a milk crate
because I'm still a little girl.
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And I remember going
to my mom and saying,
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"Ma, uh, can I curse?"
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And so she said, um, "I don't
give a fuck what you do
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or what the fuck you say.
Just win that $50."
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[laughs]
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And I remember starting it off,
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♪ Youse a sucker, motherfucker ♪
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And when I said that,
the crowd was like, "What?!"
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- [laughs]
- And my mother was hyped.
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She was like,
"Yeah, motherfucker. Yeah!"
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And--And, um, I won that $50,
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and I became, like, notorious.
- [cheers and applause]
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But it got to a point where
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they wouldn't allow me to battle
anymore because I was a girl.
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They would say, "The little girl
with the braces,
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if she's at the door,
don't let her in."
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♪
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Roxanne Shanté
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from Queensbridge projects,
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one of the first solo MCs
to really get large,
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you know what I'm saying?
You remember back in the days
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when you did your answer
to "Roxanne"?
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Of course
I remember back in the days.
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I was about 13 years old
and had a hell of a mouth then,
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and I got a hell of a mouth now.
[laughs]
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Okay, so at some point,
you really leaned into hip hop.
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- Yes.
- How? Why?
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Okay, so one night,
we in the projects,
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walking down the laundry,
I look up,
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Marley Marl
is calling me out the window.
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"Shanté, Shanté!
Yo, come to my house.
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I need you to do
a little freestyle for me."
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He's like, "Yo,
this the beat I'm gon' put on."
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♪
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- I said, what is that?
- And he was like, "Yeah,
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you heard
that "Roxanne Roxanne" thing?
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I said, "Yeah."
I'm just standing here.
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He said,
"Put the headphones on."
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And when I put them on,
I just came up with,
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♪ Well, my name is Roxanne,
and don't you know, I just... ♪
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BOTH: ♪ A-cold rock a party,
and I do this show ♪
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- Yeah.
- So, I'm just telling the story
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in my mind...
- Right.
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...and just doing a freestyle.
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And I went home
and just went on about my day.
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♪ Why'd you have to make
a record 'bout me? ♪
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That night, the phone rang,
like, 2:00 in the morning.
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And when I pick it up, they're
like, "Yo, you on the radio!
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You on the radio!" Hung up.
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And I slide down the wall,
and I say to myself,
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"Like, damn. I wonder what
I sound like on the radio."
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You didn't have a radio.
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- Mnh-mnh.
- Wow.
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But then I'm thinking,
no matter what the situation,
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no matter what was going on,
that's me.
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I'm the best in the world.
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- Not male, not female.
- Period.
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This rap shit--
the best in the world.
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♪
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♪
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LL COOL J: Okay,
so here you are, a little kid.
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- Yes.
- And you're in this world.
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- What's that like?
- At first it was a lot of fun.
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But then I'm thinking,
to be the best,
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you gotta beat the best.
- Right, right.
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And as long as you beat
the best,
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that's all it takes.
- Right.
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This is nothing but a sport,
whether you know it or not.
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SHANTÉ: So we're
at the New Music Seminar.
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I'm going there to prove
that I'm the best in the world.
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- In the world, period.
- In the world.
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MC: Put your hands together.
Welcome my favorite and yours,
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"Queen of Rox,"
Fly Girl, Roxanne Shanté.
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[cheers and applause]
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They had other MCs from
throughout the United States.
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They were like brackets.
But when I looked up,
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it was my name on one whole row
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and all the other MCs
in another row.
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I said, "So, none of them
battle each other?"
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And they were like, "No."
'Cause the whole thing was,
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"One of us has
to eliminate her."
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Are you kidding me?
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No.
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Good luck, ladies and gentlemen.
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- Can I get a beat?
- [hip hop beat playing]
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♪ Well, let's get it straight,
put it on the line ♪
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♪ I had to give
this sucker motherfucker ♪
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♪ A piece of my mind ♪
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♪ You see, he can't hang
with me, and that is a fact,
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♪ I told you before
that he's too damn Black ♪
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♪
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So, now I'm rhyming all day.
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Boom, he gone. Boom, he gone.
Boom, he gone.
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MC: Shanté moves on
to the finals.
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SHANTÉ: So, now we get down
to the last two.
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Judges, hold your cards up.
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So, everybody's turning
their cards around.
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- 10.
- MC: We got a 10.
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9. 9. So they was like,
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"Yo, she couldn't lose
unless she got, like, a 4."
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They was like, "Yeah,
so that's it. She the winner."
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We down to the last one.
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He turned his card around. Boom.
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Gave me a 4.
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[groans]
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- MC: We got a 4.
- [audience booing]
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SHANTÉ: I walked out of there
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not loving hip hop anymore.
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♪
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I cried for a second,
then I wanted to fight.
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- Why do you think they did that?
- Well, later on,
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we go to an event,
and we see Kurtis Blow.
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He was one of the judges.
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He said, "That day,
we had record companies.
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We had publishing companies.
We had real managers there.
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And we couldn't
let the best in the world
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be a young Black girl.
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They would not
have respected hip hop.
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They would
not have accepted us."
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He said, "You won that day.
You were the best."
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He said, "But I couldn't
let you be the best
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'cause it wasn't the best
for hip hop."
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Wow. You know,
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that was an emotional,
tough moment for a young girl,
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but it ended up...
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strengthening and--and lifting
up women in the future.
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Yes. Absolutely.
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♪ Now throw your hands
in the air ♪
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♪ Let me hear you say,
"Oh, yeah" ♪
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- [beatboxing]
- AUDIENCE: Oh, yeah!
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♪
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DOUG E. FRESH: Sometimes
you gotta have somebody
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that can start something.
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It's like the match,
and then, boom.
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ANNOUNCER: Roxanne Shanté
live on stage. Give it up!
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SHANTÉ: Without me, there
wouldn't have been no airplay.
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And so they should thank me,
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send me royalty checks
for Mother's Day.
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But Roxanne had the floor
kind of laid out a little bit.
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♪
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♪ She's the joint ♪
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DOUG E. FRESH:
There was Sha-Rock.
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- There was Lisa Lee.
- ♪ Say ho! ♪
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There was Debbie D.
There was Pebblee Poo.
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KIM OSORIO: These artists
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were paving the way for women,
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and it was
extremely hard for them.
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♪
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♪ She's the joint ♪
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- ♪ Ladies
- ♪ Yeah ♪
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♪ 1980, duh-duh-duh ♪
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♪ Watch out for the fellas ♪
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♪ Yeah,
that'll drive you crazy ♪
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♪ Duh-duh-duh, a look out ♪
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NELSON GEORGE:
Hip hop was a boys club.
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♪ Do it, huh-huh ♪
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All the label owners
were basically men.
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♪ Get funky ♪
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Most of the A&R people
were men.
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So, the records were being made
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with an eye
toward what a man wants.
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TUMA BASA: It was almost felt
like they had to be surrounded
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by a whole bunch of dudes
in order to break through.
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You guys don't belong in here.
[laughs]
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OSORIO:
Hip hop's always been macho,
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so women had an uphill battle
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in just getting the respect
from the community.
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We commemorate women
in hip hop of that time
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because what they did
was so important,
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but their names
aren't as familiar.
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♪ You know, she's the joint
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LL COOL J: Now we fast forward.
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What is the women's movement
in hip hop now and today?
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Female rappers are the best.
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Dominating.
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- Running shit.
- Took over.
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Every queen gets
a chance to reign.
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So, to see my sisters out there
doing they rhymes
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and letting 'em know like,
look, this is continuing on
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to the next generation,
is truly an honor for me.
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One word.
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- Yes.
- Legacy.
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I gave birth to most
of them MCs. That's my legacy.
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- That works.
- Still pushing 'em out. Mm!
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There you go.
That's the spirit.
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[laughter]
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That's the spirit.
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I thank the Recording Academy...
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for checking everything
off my list.
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Thank you.
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[cheers and applause]
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♪
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LL COOL J: Roxanne Shanté
helped crack the door open
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for women in hip hop.
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Now I'm headed to meet
a woman from Brooklyn
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who kicked the door
off the hinges--
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Cheryl James,
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or as you may know her better,
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"Salt" from Salt-N-Pepa.
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Our first guests have
virtually revolutionized
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the rap field
as the first female crew
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to become major stars.
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♪
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♪ I am down ♪
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LL COOL J:
Born in Brooklyn, NYC,
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Salt dug in
on her musical aspirations
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while in community college
by teaming up
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with Pepa and Spinderella
to form a trio unlike anything
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the hip hop community
has seen before.
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♪ ...Pepa,
everybody's in the house ♪
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♪
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LL COOL: They call 'em
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the First Ladies of Rap
for a reason.
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Salt-N-Pepa were
the first all-female group
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to go gold and platinum...
- Thank you.
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...and the first female
rap group to win a Grammy...
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To our fans, we love you.
We love you.
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...selling more than 15 million
albums worldwide in the process.
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We're happy to be a hit
over here in Europe again.
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Roxanne Shanté
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and the other
early female pioneers
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laid the groundwork.
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Hi! What's up?
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Then Salt-N-Pepa
used that ground
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to launch hip hop
into the stratosphere.
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Rap is a male-dominated field,
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but we're just like
one of the fellas now.
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LL COOL J: What was the first
exposure you had to hip hop?
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- The first thing I remember...
- Okay.
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...I lived
in Bushwick, Brooklyn,
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and we started hearing music
coming from the park.
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Obviously, we were like,
eyes wide open.
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Like, what's that?
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At night, I would sneak out.
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I just remember being enamored
by what I was experiencing.
355
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And that's what made me really
start thinking about, like,
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wanting to be an artist.
357
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Then I met Hurby.
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- This is Salt. This is Pepa.
- That's Debbie D right here.
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We were dating,
and he was also a producer.
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Mm-hmm.
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And he was putting together
a girl group,
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and the first time
I got on the mic,
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I just knew it was my destiny.
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♪ I do,
Salt-N-Pepa's in the house ♪
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♪ Turning it out,
turning it out, oh... ♪
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- As a young woman, right?
- Mm-hmm.
367
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Like, as you kinda
moved into the business,
368
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explain to me
what it felt like for you.
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Like, really.
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00:15:08,037 --> 00:15:10,344
I haven't been doing this
in a while.
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It felt scary. It felt exciting.
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It felt like, man, can we
really live up to, like,
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this thing that we're building
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that's taking off so fast
for us?
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Got it going on. Yeah.
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It was just like,
get these records done,
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put this show together,
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rehearse, rehearse, rehearse.
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But even if I was scared,
I had to be brave.
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And there was a lot of times
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we was literally shaking
in our boots, you know?
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So, where did that come from,
that aggressive spirit
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to get out there and go
at this hip hop thing?
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♪ Hey, yeah,
I wanna shoop, baby, shoop ♪
385
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We run up
against a lot of criticism.
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The people have
a lot of opinions
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about what we should do.
We always do what we wanna do.
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On the road, you know,
with sound checks and stuff,
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you know, girls not supposed to
know about that technical stuff.
390
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So, of course, they're
not gonna listen to you
391
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when you're going,
"Give me some more bass!"
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00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:07,269
It's about time, you know,
393
00:16:07,270 --> 00:16:09,359
the girls get a chance
to flip this script.
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♪ Packed and you're stacked,
'specially in the back ♪
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♪ Brother, wanna thank your
mother for a butt like that ♪
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We saw Roxanne Shanté do it,
so we knew it could be done.
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But we always knew
that we were different.
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We always say we brought
fun, fashion,
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and femininity to hip hop.
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We wasn't afraid to be sexy
and dress a certain way
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and, like,
really embrace our femininity.
402
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LL COOL J: Right.
403
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Step off, honey.
404
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And also embrace
our commercial success.
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♪ Shoop ♪
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We've been
on the road like crazy.
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We've been busy, busy, busy.
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♪ Ah, push it
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INTERVIEWER: In '88,
you had three hits in a row.
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Now again, three hits in a row.
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00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:51,835
This is like
a special Salt-N-Pepa recipe.
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[laughter]
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00:16:53,925 --> 00:16:56,145
Give it up, America,
for Salt-N-Pepa.
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[cheers and applause,
"Push It" playing]
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LL COOL J: What you do know
and what everybody does know--
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as impactful as any
female superstar is right now,
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00:17:03,761 --> 00:17:07,330
Salt-N-Pepa were
at the same huge, high level.
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- Salt-N-Pepa were the first.
- Mm-hmm.
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What did that feel like?
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SALT: The train ride--
it just took off and kept going.
421
00:17:15,469 --> 00:17:16,947
♪ Push it real good ♪
422
00:17:16,948 --> 00:17:19,386
There was no turning back.
423
00:17:19,516 --> 00:17:22,128
- "None of Your Business," Salt--
- Salt-N-Pepa.
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00:17:22,215 --> 00:17:25,261
We love you! We love you!
425
00:17:25,348 --> 00:17:26,828
SALT: When I was young,
I didn't know what
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00:17:26,958 --> 00:17:28,959
I wanted to do with my life.
Next thing,
427
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,963
I'm all over the globe
picking up plaques.
428
00:17:32,051 --> 00:17:34,444
- What y'all doing in Russia?
- I don't know. [laughs]
429
00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:37,230
I would look in the mirror
sometimes and be like,
430
00:17:37,317 --> 00:17:41,320
what the heck?
Like, they know me in Japan.
431
00:17:41,321 --> 00:17:43,583
They don't even speak English,
and they rapping
432
00:17:43,584 --> 00:17:46,239
your songs word for word.
433
00:17:46,326 --> 00:17:48,370
And I'm Cheryl from Brooklyn,
you know?
434
00:17:48,371 --> 00:17:49,894
- Yeah.
- I was like,
435
00:17:49,981 --> 00:17:51,200
how did that happen to you?
436
00:17:51,331 --> 00:17:53,811
You're like the salt and pepper
on your table.
437
00:17:53,898 --> 00:17:55,682
Hands up!
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00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:57,293
[cheering]
439
00:17:57,641 --> 00:17:59,165
♪
440
00:17:59,252 --> 00:18:00,600
Salt-N-Pepa were
the first female artists
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00:18:00,601 --> 00:18:04,518
that really achieved
mainstream success--
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00:18:04,605 --> 00:18:09,043
success that the earlier
pioneers couldn't achieve.
443
00:18:09,044 --> 00:18:12,221
Because back then,
there was a ceiling.
444
00:18:12,308 --> 00:18:15,615
There was definitely a cap
on the expressive nature
445
00:18:15,616 --> 00:18:18,923
of what a woman could say
in the '80s into the '90s,
446
00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:21,274
Salt-N-Pepa really articulates
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00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:24,058
not records that are made
to appeal to men,
448
00:18:24,059 --> 00:18:25,842
but records
that reflect female artists.
449
00:18:25,843 --> 00:18:28,280
♪ Spinderella,
cut it up one time ♪
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We just dress
the way we wanna dress,
451
00:18:29,934 --> 00:18:31,936
say what we wanna say.
452
00:18:32,023 --> 00:18:33,547
- [laughter]
- Salt-N-Pepa changed the game.
453
00:18:33,634 --> 00:18:36,376
They were very, very big
on women empowerment,
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00:18:36,463 --> 00:18:38,291
independence for women.
455
00:18:38,378 --> 00:18:41,076
♪ Come on,
let's talk about sex, baby ♪
456
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♪ Let's talk about you and me ♪
457
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TUMA BASA: After that, that's
when things started to change.
458
00:18:45,428 --> 00:18:49,693
Female rappers do not have to be
overly masculine in your lyrics.
459
00:18:49,780 --> 00:18:53,262
You could talk about stilettos,
pumps in the clubs.
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- ♪ About sex
- OSORIO: Over the last
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30-something years,
we have this influx
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of female artists
463
00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:03,359
just coming in and dominating.
464
00:19:03,446 --> 00:19:05,753
Move over, men.
The females are rapping back.
465
00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,060
Is that it or keep going?
466
00:19:10,061 --> 00:19:11,975
Okay, so one last word
is tell me
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what it means to you--legacy.
468
00:19:15,415 --> 00:19:18,157
I want my legacy to be someone
469
00:19:18,287 --> 00:19:21,725
who inspired female rappers
to dream big
470
00:19:21,812 --> 00:19:24,032
and go for it.
471
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,512
LL COOL J: As you see
these new female artists
472
00:19:25,642 --> 00:19:28,254
out there rocking,
what are you feeling?
473
00:19:28,341 --> 00:19:33,172
- What are you connecting with?
- Young women now are bossing up.
474
00:19:33,302 --> 00:19:35,870
- They just seem unapologetic.
- And you like that?
475
00:19:35,957 --> 00:19:39,047
- I relate to it. Yeah.
- All right, Salt.
476
00:19:39,134 --> 00:19:41,266
- Thank you.
- Rap's first female superstar.
477
00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:42,703
- Yeah.
- Appreciate you, baby.
478
00:19:42,833 --> 00:19:44,400
- Thank you.
- No doubt.
479
00:19:44,487 --> 00:19:47,141
They used to be like,
"Oh, yeah, Salt-N-Pepa.
480
00:19:47,142 --> 00:19:49,362
Cute little girl rap group.
They'll come and they'll go."
481
00:19:49,449 --> 00:19:52,495
But we just set out
to prove different.
482
00:19:52,582 --> 00:19:55,237
What's up, everybody?
My name is Lady London.
483
00:19:55,324 --> 00:19:57,892
I am a rapper, songwriter,
author, poet,
484
00:19:57,979 --> 00:20:03,027
tastemaker, curator,
and the Aristotle of bravado,
485
00:20:03,114 --> 00:20:06,640
easily one of the best rappers
of the 21st century.
486
00:20:06,727 --> 00:20:09,468
♪
487
00:20:09,469 --> 00:20:11,384
LL COOL J:
Being a hip hop superstar looks
488
00:20:11,514 --> 00:20:14,909
very different today
than it did in the early years.
489
00:20:14,996 --> 00:20:17,955
I'm headed to speak to someone
who embodies that evolution--
490
00:20:18,086 --> 00:20:20,088
a student of the art form
who honors
491
00:20:20,175 --> 00:20:22,221
those who came before,
and at the same time
492
00:20:22,308 --> 00:20:25,093
is unapologetic
about getting what's hers.
493
00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:28,531
She goes by the name
Lady London.
494
00:20:28,618 --> 00:20:31,317
- Lady London.
- What up, L?
495
00:20:31,404 --> 00:20:33,143
What up? I'm outside.
Come on. Let's roll.
496
00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:35,016
- What up? What up?
- [laughs]
497
00:20:35,146 --> 00:20:36,191
Here, let me give you a hand.
Let me give you a hand.
498
00:20:36,278 --> 00:20:38,062
- Come on in.
- Thank you. Thank you.
499
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:39,455
♪
500
00:20:39,542 --> 00:20:41,718
Born in the Bronx and raised
501
00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:44,199
in her grandmother's house
across the Hudson in New Jersey,
502
00:20:44,286 --> 00:20:47,463
Lady London's artistic roots
were deep from the start,
503
00:20:47,550 --> 00:20:50,118
with her uncle,
producer/rapper Chino XL,
504
00:20:50,205 --> 00:20:53,034
filling the house
with his legendary hip hop peers
505
00:20:53,164 --> 00:20:56,255
such as my man 2Pac
and Naughty by Nature.
506
00:20:56,385 --> 00:20:58,822
Nigga, are you dumb?
Are you stupid?
507
00:20:58,909 --> 00:21:02,086
Do you know what type of bitch
I am? Yeah. This Lady, baby.
508
00:21:02,173 --> 00:21:05,394
That's Boss Lady
for those who don't know. Ha ha.
509
00:21:05,481 --> 00:21:07,440
While working
towards a career as a surgeon,
510
00:21:07,570 --> 00:21:10,921
she exploded on the scene
by posting videos of herself
511
00:21:11,008 --> 00:21:12,836
doing spoken word in the car.
512
00:21:12,967 --> 00:21:14,708
And I'm never insecure
'cause I'm labeled a boss.
513
00:21:14,795 --> 00:21:16,579
I take my lessons to the jaw
514
00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:18,102
'cause they was never a loss,
you heard?
515
00:21:18,189 --> 00:21:19,495
But Lady London proved
516
00:21:19,582 --> 00:21:21,758
to be more
than a viral sensation.
517
00:21:21,845 --> 00:21:25,284
She displayed the talent to last
and a message worth hearing.
518
00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:27,459
And now she's on her way
519
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:29,330
to becoming hip hop's
next female superstar.
520
00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:32,552
[cheering]
521
00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:36,598
So, when does hip hop
come into the picture?
522
00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:38,383
What--What did you hear?
523
00:21:38,384 --> 00:21:40,516
How were you exposed
to hip hop culture?
524
00:21:40,603 --> 00:21:42,910
Three years old, I was rapping
"Crush on You."
525
00:21:42,997 --> 00:21:44,606
["Crush on You" playing]
526
00:21:44,607 --> 00:21:46,696
- Junior M.A.F.I.A. and Biggie.
- Yeah.
527
00:21:46,783 --> 00:21:49,046
- Absolutely. Kim's verse.
- Yeah, Lil' Kim. Oh, really?
528
00:21:49,133 --> 00:21:50,874
Kim's verse. Yeah.
529
00:21:51,005 --> 00:21:52,963
♪ Lil' Kim, the Queen Bee,
so you best take heed ♪
530
00:21:53,050 --> 00:21:55,835
- ♪ Shall I proceed?
- ♪ Yes, indeed ♪
531
00:21:55,836 --> 00:21:58,491
LL COOL J: What did hearing
Lil' Kim as a child mean to you?
532
00:21:58,578 --> 00:22:01,014
LADY LONDON:
Everything. Like, hearing a girl
533
00:22:01,015 --> 00:22:02,669
do it on that level
was really dope.
534
00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,887
♪ I'm not the one you
sleep with, to eat quick ♪
535
00:22:04,888 --> 00:22:07,238
♪ Want a cheap trick?
Better go down to Freaknik ♪
536
00:22:07,369 --> 00:22:09,153
- Yeah.
- So, she really inspired you?
537
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,329
- Yeah.
- And made you feel
538
00:22:10,416 --> 00:22:12,243
empowered as a woman?
- Absolutely.
539
00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:14,028
♪
540
00:22:14,115 --> 00:22:17,858
When did you go
from music fan, you know,
541
00:22:17,945 --> 00:22:20,774
to, like, all of a sudden,
"Now I actually wanna create"?
542
00:22:20,861 --> 00:22:22,558
[school bell rings]
543
00:22:22,645 --> 00:22:25,082
Probably around 11 years old,
I started writing.
544
00:22:25,213 --> 00:22:27,737
I was doing poetry online
in 2018,
545
00:22:27,868 --> 00:22:29,696
but I was talking slick,
and it kind of sounded like
546
00:22:29,783 --> 00:22:31,393
it could be a rap
if you put a beat behind it.
547
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,352
He gave me what I wanted
the most,
548
00:22:33,439 --> 00:22:35,136
and I don't believe in love,
but you cutting it close.
549
00:22:35,266 --> 00:22:36,877
I'm holding up some shoes
like the silver or gold.
550
00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:38,139
He said,
"I never make you choose.
551
00:22:38,226 --> 00:22:39,836
I'm-a get you them both."
552
00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:43,318
I posted it.
It went 8.7 million views.
553
00:22:43,405 --> 00:22:45,842
- Oh, wow.
- It went crazy.
554
00:22:45,929 --> 00:22:48,149
Labels was calling me next week.
"We wanna sign you."
555
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:49,498
I'm like, "I don't do music."
556
00:22:49,585 --> 00:22:51,718
They're like,
"No, this freestyle is crazy."
557
00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,763
I'm like, freestyle?
To me, it's just poetry.
558
00:22:53,850 --> 00:22:54,982
That's--That's really wild.
559
00:22:55,069 --> 00:22:56,549
♪
560
00:22:56,636 --> 00:22:58,159
Ha ha!
561
00:22:58,289 --> 00:23:01,249
LADY LONDON: They did sign me.
So I said, okay.
562
00:23:01,336 --> 00:23:03,077
My goal was to just be the best.
563
00:23:03,164 --> 00:23:04,861
I didn't care
about being the best woman.
564
00:23:04,948 --> 00:23:07,255
I wanted to be the best.
Like, men need to come in here
565
00:23:07,342 --> 00:23:08,690
and be like, "I don't wanna
go toe to toe with her."
566
00:23:08,691 --> 00:23:10,476
- We don't want no problem.
- "I don't want
567
00:23:10,563 --> 00:23:11,999
no problems with her.
She talk too crazy for me.
568
00:23:12,086 --> 00:23:14,522
I don't want that."
- [laughs] That was the spirit.
569
00:23:14,523 --> 00:23:16,003
- That was the energy.
- Yeah. Yeah.
570
00:23:16,090 --> 00:23:18,832
LL COOL J: Do you do things
outside of music?
571
00:23:18,919 --> 00:23:21,007
LADY LONDON: So, education,
first and foremost.
572
00:23:21,008 --> 00:23:23,227
♪
573
00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:24,925
I have three degrees.
574
00:23:25,055 --> 00:23:28,145
My BS are in sports medicine
and chemistry, double major.
575
00:23:28,232 --> 00:23:31,147
Then I went on to USC and got
my master's in global medicine
576
00:23:31,148 --> 00:23:33,411
and international health policy.
577
00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:35,109
I'm a business.
I'm bigger than an artist.
578
00:23:35,196 --> 00:23:37,067
I'm a brand.
I'm a business, so--
579
00:23:37,154 --> 00:23:39,026
Can I say something about that?
Being an artist is big.
580
00:23:39,113 --> 00:23:40,940
- It's huge.
- Mm-hmm.
581
00:23:40,941 --> 00:23:44,901
The only reason I say that
is because I want artists
582
00:23:44,988 --> 00:23:46,468
to be proud to be artists.
583
00:23:46,555 --> 00:23:48,383
- Absolutely.
- That being said,
584
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:49,992
I also don't think
they should limit themselves.
585
00:23:49,993 --> 00:23:51,517
- Right.
- I agree with that.
586
00:23:51,604 --> 00:23:53,214
Right, which is why
semantics is there.
587
00:23:53,344 --> 00:23:55,128
I said I'm more than an artist,
not bigger than an artist.
588
00:23:55,129 --> 00:23:56,609
- Okay.
- I'm more than,
589
00:23:56,696 --> 00:23:58,306
meaning I'm multifaceted.
More than a woman.
590
00:23:58,393 --> 00:23:59,568
- Always late.
- ♪ More than a woman ♪
591
00:23:59,655 --> 00:24:04,921
- Right? Exactly.
- [laughter]
592
00:24:05,008 --> 00:24:10,797
♪
593
00:24:10,927 --> 00:24:13,147
Here. I'll give you
a little assistance.
594
00:24:13,234 --> 00:24:14,975
- I appreciate it.
- All right.
595
00:24:15,062 --> 00:24:16,846
You know what I mean?
It's the least I could do.
596
00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:18,500
- Yeah, I appreciate that.
- You know what I'm sayin'?
597
00:24:18,587 --> 00:24:21,634
- Chivalry ain't dead, huh?
- Ah, shit's on life support.
598
00:24:21,721 --> 00:24:23,026
- Barely breathin'.
- [laughs]
599
00:24:23,157 --> 00:24:25,464
[boat horn blows]
600
00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:29,076
- So, you was born where?
- The Bronx.
601
00:24:29,163 --> 00:24:33,428
- Boogie Down.
- [laughs] Yeah, hip hop.
602
00:24:33,515 --> 00:24:35,778
My grandma came
to this country from Jamaica,
603
00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:37,519
had a small apartment,
her and my grandfather
604
00:24:37,606 --> 00:24:40,174
on Tremont Avenue.
- Tremont Avenue.
605
00:24:40,261 --> 00:24:41,654
And she bought a house
in East Orange, New Jersey.
606
00:24:41,784 --> 00:24:43,219
Uh-huh.
607
00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:48,268
And that's where I spent
majority of my life, childhood.
608
00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:50,184
- East Orange?
- Yeah.
609
00:24:50,271 --> 00:24:51,446
And what does it feel like,
610
00:24:51,577 --> 00:24:53,840
like, now that
you look back on it?
611
00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:56,930
♪
612
00:24:57,017 --> 00:24:59,236
LADY LONDON: My grandma's house
was like the Mecca.
613
00:24:59,323 --> 00:25:01,108
I just remember
hip hop just being around
614
00:25:01,238 --> 00:25:02,849
and exposed to at real young.
615
00:25:02,936 --> 00:25:06,373
Clark Kent, Clue,
Pac, Naughty by Nature.
616
00:25:06,374 --> 00:25:07,984
Knew everybody when I was a kid.
617
00:25:08,071 --> 00:25:10,900
LL COOL J: And it was
your destiny then.
618
00:25:10,987 --> 00:25:13,511
- Yeah.
- You feel or you know?
619
00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:15,557
I know,
'cause I tried to run from it.
620
00:25:15,644 --> 00:25:18,386
There's been so many times
I tried to, like,
621
00:25:18,473 --> 00:25:20,997
I don't wanna do this no more.
I can't do this no more.
622
00:25:21,084 --> 00:25:22,346
But you can't quit.
623
00:25:22,433 --> 00:25:24,827
Spend so many days,
624
00:25:24,914 --> 00:25:26,742
especially early on
in my career, where I was like,
625
00:25:26,829 --> 00:25:28,527
I don't really wanna see
tomorrow.
626
00:25:28,657 --> 00:25:30,790
But I'm saying this
to anybody who has
627
00:25:30,877 --> 00:25:33,619
to be full of strength
all the time.
628
00:25:33,706 --> 00:25:38,319
You are necessary,
and fight the good fight.
629
00:25:38,449 --> 00:25:42,497
The music industry is difficult.
I don't think a lot of people
630
00:25:42,584 --> 00:25:44,891
even talk about how hard
it really is.
631
00:25:44,978 --> 00:25:46,806
It's a dark industry.
You gotta know yourself.
632
00:25:46,936 --> 00:25:48,503
So, let's talk about that.
You a young lady...
633
00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:49,591
- Yeah.
- ...in the--in the music game.
634
00:25:49,678 --> 00:25:51,071
Uh-huh.
635
00:25:51,158 --> 00:25:52,941
What's hard about it?
Tell me about that.
636
00:25:52,942 --> 00:25:55,249
When I was first starting off,
producers would try to,
637
00:25:55,336 --> 00:25:59,122
like, talk to me, like...
intimately in a session,
638
00:25:59,253 --> 00:26:00,733
and I'd be, like,
so uncomfortable.
639
00:26:00,863 --> 00:26:02,386
But I knew I had to, like,
get the work done.
640
00:26:02,473 --> 00:26:04,344
So, I started, like,
wearing oversized clothes
641
00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:06,826
and kind of
dumbing down my image.
642
00:26:06,913 --> 00:26:09,001
It was a little bit defeating
and discouraging
643
00:26:09,002 --> 00:26:11,570
because I was so, like, naive
and a little bit young going in.
644
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:13,833
But instead of being
so scary, one day,
645
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,574
I was like, we can set
some ground rules here.
646
00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,140
And if it's not a working
relationship, then it's not
647
00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:20,316
a working relationship.
- Yeah.
648
00:26:20,317 --> 00:26:22,276
Once word got around,
everybody was like,
649
00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:23,930
"Okay, she don't play that."
650
00:26:24,017 --> 00:26:26,933
I agree with that,
because, you know, you either
651
00:26:27,063 --> 00:26:28,674
change the environment
652
00:26:28,761 --> 00:26:30,632
or change how you feel
about the environment.
653
00:26:30,719 --> 00:26:32,155
Mm-hmm.
I don't tolerate anything.
654
00:26:32,242 --> 00:26:34,767
I know I got that schoolgirl
vibe, this cute girl smile,
655
00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:37,073
these dimples
and good credentials
656
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,509
keep my 10 toes down,
but I come from a dark place.
657
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,381
I'm really dangerous now.
658
00:26:40,468 --> 00:26:42,338
So, okay, one word.
659
00:26:42,339 --> 00:26:44,428
- Legacy.
- Legacy.
660
00:26:44,515 --> 00:26:46,866
What does legacy mean to you?
661
00:26:46,996 --> 00:26:49,477
Like, what do you--what do you
want your legacy to be?
662
00:26:49,564 --> 00:26:52,785
Legacy to me is
transcending a generation.
663
00:26:52,872 --> 00:26:54,743
- Mm-hmm.
- Being able to impact
664
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:57,006
not only your generation,
but the generation before you
665
00:26:57,093 --> 00:26:58,834
and the generation after you.
666
00:26:58,965 --> 00:27:02,533
I wanna speak to the boss women
who are go-getters,
667
00:27:02,621 --> 00:27:04,971
hustlers in their own right.
668
00:27:05,058 --> 00:27:07,887
Right now
we see female unity in rap.
669
00:27:07,974 --> 00:27:10,846
Hopefully we can continue that.
670
00:27:10,977 --> 00:27:14,023
Art, education,
empowerment, the family...
671
00:27:14,154 --> 00:27:15,459
- Black family.
- Black family.
672
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:17,200
- Uplifting.
- Uplifting.
673
00:27:17,331 --> 00:27:21,030
- Yeah. [laughs] Good to see you.
- All right, Lady London.
674
00:27:21,161 --> 00:27:22,815
- Appreciate you.
- Pleasure was all mine.
675
00:27:22,902 --> 00:27:24,904
Come on. Let's roll.
Roll with me.
676
00:27:25,034 --> 00:27:26,775
- We going? Where we going?
- I''ll figure it out.
677
00:27:26,862 --> 00:27:28,559
You're supposed
to take me to some food.
678
00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:30,779
- Let's get somethin' to eat.
- [laughs] Let's do it.
679
00:27:35,436 --> 00:27:38,221
♪
680
00:27:38,308 --> 00:27:41,398
I must say that you absolutely
do us proud out there.
681
00:27:41,485 --> 00:27:45,402
LADY LONDON: I'm so grateful
'cause I modeled my career
682
00:27:45,489 --> 00:27:48,667
off of how embarrassed you would
make men in the studio, like...
683
00:27:48,797 --> 00:27:50,930
- Oh, did you?
- Okay, so I know people
684
00:27:51,017 --> 00:27:52,583
had to back out
when you came through the door,
685
00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:54,716
so it's really an honor.
686
00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:56,196
♪
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