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I'm Dean Thomas. Got the crew in -house.
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Chris Weidman, Dustin Poirier, and my
man Jorge Miles with all fellows. What's

happening? I just want everybody to know
he had no teleprompter for that.

I actually was leaning. It's like, is he
reading something?

How did he do that? That's so good. That
was good. A true professional. I'm a

true professional. A true professional.
I'm a true pro. All right, fellas, let's

get right into it. So over the weekend,
we got to play the hit.

Dana White was asked about Conor
McGregor.

coming back, and he said, it's looking
good.

So I want to go to you guys. Since you
fought him last, let's go to Dustin

first. Dustin, what are the chances,
percentage -wise, what are the chances

Conor comes back?

I'm going to go 60.

60, he does.

40, he doesn't.

All right, I'm going to go 80%. He's in
the drug testing pool. You know, like,

for you to come off of stuff, get back
in that drug testing pool, you better,

you know, fight. Otherwise, you're just
going to, you know, feel worse than you

used to feel for no reason.

I think he fights for sure. But I say 80
% only because, you know, if an injury

or something like that happens, I think
he won't fight.

These guys had the same surgery, so I
don't know anything about that. Oh,

But, you know, that was in 2021.

He's had enough time to recover. But I
will say, like, your first time coming

back, because I went through a very
similar injury, it is hard to be the

you were beforehand for sure, you know.

I hope the best for him. But I remember
in training camp, I would be thrown

kicks. Like I would try to force myself.
I hope the worst for him. Yeah, I know.

I was thrown kicks like crazy to try to
get used to throwing kicks again. And I

was fine in training. And then when I
got in the actual, my first fight since

that leg injury, I was getting kicked.

And as soon as I went to throw my kick
back, because that was always the

instinct, you get kicked, you kick back.

I just couldn't do it. My body wouldn't
let me do it. You know, it's just crazy.

You know, you go through a traumatic
injury like that, how it could affect

head. So why do you think he's coming
back now, though?

I mean, why now?

You think he just misses it because
everybody sees all these other guys?

Because that'll do it to you. I think
for sure he's a fighter. He's a real

fighter. He loves fighting, but he's
addicted to the limelight. I think

what he wants. He wants his name on the
top of a card. He wants people talking

about him.

That's what I think.

Yeah, I think you have a point with
that.

Yeah, it's also like he's been saying
that he's coming back for so long. I

he wanted to be the quickest one back
with that leg injury.

And then just things happened.

I don't know. Well, he couldn't because
he came out of the drug testing pool. So

that took him out for a while. I think
there was almost a suspension, right?

Something like that.

I don't know. I don't know what's going
on. Then he gets political. He wants to

become the president of Ireland.

You know, I don't know. But that's a
part of the limelight, right? That's a

of the limelight, like just wanting to
be in front of everybody. And I guess he

felt like that would keep him in
everybody's, you know, vision. But I

that was a bit ridiculous.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. This man needs to
fight. I always wanted, honestly, I

always wanted to see him fight.

Masvidal. Oh, yeah, me too.

I still want to see it. Is it possible?

What do we think?

Yeah, but if you ask me if he's coming
back or not, I say 50 -50.

You think 50 -50? 50 -50.

Why 50 -50? I think he comes back. I
think it's, for me, I think 90%. I hope

comes back for the sport, you know, for
the sport's sake. And also, you know,

you got to be in good shape mentally,
physically to get back in there, so

be good for him. But I think 50 -50, you
know.

I mean, like, there's videos of him
training now.

I know, but still, but still, like, but
if you're not, but still, like, to me,

it looks like he's gotten better.
Because, like, two years ago, he put out

videos training, and I was like, oh,
man, he doesn't look very good. Like, he

was slower and just heavy.

But he's finally, in the videos of him
training now, he looks better. He looks

lighter. He looks lighter.

He looks like he's moving better.

Like, he's taking it a little bit more
seriously.

And so I think, I think he does come
back. So if you ask me, I think it's

90%. If he does come back, there's going
to be one person crying, watching him

fight. And that's Michael Chandler.
Cause he chased it for years and he had

Then it got away from it. You know,
that's the, that's the, that's the

That's the fight. That is the fight. I
felt so bad for Chandler. How could you

not feel bad for Chandler for that?

Yeah. He got put on the shelf. He was
waiting. He did the Ultimate Fighter.

Ultimate Fighter show.

Then waited. Yeah. Then waited.

Then waited some more.

Until it sailed away.

But he's on the White House card.

Yeah. On a for sure thing because Conor,
until he comes back, we don't know. But

he's on the White House card against a
dangerous opponent. I know. I mean, it

couldn't have gotten worse.

for Chandler for that reason. Like, he
waited for years for McGregor to try to

get the bag, right?

So then now they put him on the White
House card against possibly the worst

matchup in the entire division for him.

But... Who's he fighting again? Hoofy.
Hoofy.

Oh, yeah, Hoofy. Fighting nerds.

Oh, I think he might have left the
fighting nerds.

Oh, I think... Is he Volkanovski now,
maybe? He's in Australia. He's with

Volkanovski now. But if Chandler does
win and Conor comes back and does win,

might set up something huge.

I mean, to me, that's wishful thinking.
But listen, if Conor comes back and

wins, he's not going to fight Chandler.
He's not something big.

I think he's hunting for like a Teporia.
If Conor comes back and wins, he's

fighting for a title.

There's no doubt about that.

I mean, listen, Conor's really good.
He's a great fighter, right?

I mean, you've been in there with him
three times.

It's all about his head. Like, where's
his head at? And it seems like from the

outside looking in, He did, like, his
Ibogaine trip, right? So now he's more

touch with his faith, and it seems like
he's getting his life in order.

Got baptized, I think. He got baptized.
I think so. No kidding.

This is the type of thing I feel like he
needed. So hopefully this keeps him on

track and, you know, gets him focused,
you know, back in the training room.

Well, I got to tell you, so I was with
Joe Piper. I've been working with him,

and he found his faith prior to his last
fight, and he's never been better.

He's never been better. I've never seen
a human being transformed like that. And

even in fights, like going into the
fight, just the fact that he had his

to lean on, he was more comfortable,
more confident fighting Izzy.

I don't know if he would have beaten
Izzy without it. Fighting is a lot of

pressure, bro. I mean, for me, faith was
huge.

Same. When you're putting it on
yourself.

It's a lot. I don't know how people do
it without faith.

I put it in God's hands, and it just
relieves me, and then you go out there

fight free.

It's kind of always the goal.

I mean, look at all the real devout
Muslims that are doing so good in this

sport. They're not drinking. They're not
smoking. They're not going out

partying. They're very devout to their
faith. They're grounded.

That's a tough guy to beat, no matter
what their skill set is, just to have

their mind super sharp and focused.

Conor McGregor, obviously the biggest
star in the sport. So as we pivot, let's

talk about stars in the sport and what
it takes to be a star in the sport.

Because a lot of times as the sport
grows, we tend to think, oh, there's not

lot of stars because Conor's not
fighting Jon Jones. And we tend to think

there's a lack of stars. But I don't
necessarily believe that. I do believe

we don't have a star problem. I do
believe that there are stars.

We've come up with a top five list.

Before we get to that, I want to give
you guys my equation to be a star. Oh,

yeah, I want to hear this. You want to
hear this? I have an algorithm to being

star. So, like, if you are a young
fighter out there, this is how you

star. All right. The equation is this.
In parentheses, PT plus 2M

parentheses times C.

Okay. All right. Yeah, you lost.

I didn't pass the visual.

PT stands for personality trait. Okay.

plus two M's, memorable moment times
consistency.

Now, the personality trait is one of
three things. You either have to be a

that fans can aspire to be or fans want
to hang out with.

They could be simultaneous as well.
Either they want to be like you or want

hang out with you.

Or the one that most guys do, they have
to hate you. It's easier to have people

hate you because there's no
responsibility in that. A lot of people

Turned him.

Yeah. Then you need a memorable moment.
And that memorable moment can come from

in the fight. It can come from the trash
talk. But it has to be memorable.

And then you take that and times that by
consistency.

There you got a star. Did you chat to
EBT?

No, man, I made that up. I like that.
No, it's good. It's good. It lays down

foundation, you know, because you
definitely got to be able to grab

names and have that cult -like
following, I think, you know, where you

army of guys that no matter you win or
lose, you rob a liquor store, no matter

what it is, they always think you're
right and you did good, and then you got

have that.

It's a different landscape.

Nowadays. In modern MMA, whenever you
were coming up, all of us, really, it

just you had to win.

That was the first thing, was just win
or shut the fuck up. Yeah. I think it

Chael Sonnen was, like, the first dude
we've seen actually talk trash to sell a

fight. That I remember.

To go that extreme.

Yeah, like, due to extreme.

Well, Quentin Rampage was doing it in
Japan, but in Japan. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I guess, yeah, though, in the UFC, Chael
was, like, the first one to go like

that. And he went so over the top.
Right, yeah. So, you know, memorable.

Well, I mean, like, well, Tito, he
didn't really talk trash. More so than,

selling himself with his antics and
bits. Like, he might have been the first

to really lean into that. But talking
trash, Rampage, Chael. Yeah, Tito had

shirt, Dana's mom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He had his own clothing line. He was
trying to promote stuff. But, again,

were his memorable moments.

Those were his memorable moments. So we
can remember him from those things, and

he was consistent with it.

So a lot of times people go, oh, man,
there are no stars, and we don't tell

stories of the fighters enough. I don't
believe that. Listen, if you want to be

a star, it's up to you. You have to go
out there and create your moments.

The UFC can't make you a star.

You have to go out there and create your
moments.

And I've seen that happen with you.

It was 2019, right? 2019 was the biggest
year for you, and I've seen that happen

overnight because the funny thing about
Jorge is that we all knew how good you

were.

In the gym, we all knew how good he was.

It just never popped off for you until
the knee hurt around the world. I was

in Vegas. I met up with you in Brown the
night before the fight.

You were telling me, I'm going to start
this fight off with a flying knee. And

Mike is showing me videos of him doing
it at the training room, wherever they

were. He was hitting the pad, throwing a
flying knee. I text one of my boys the

night of the fight. I said, hey, he's
going to start this with a flying knee.

Boom!

Five minutes later, my buddy's texting
me. Man, you called it. He called it. He

told me he was going to do it. I mean,
but think about that, the flying knee.

And then after that, Darren Till.

But it was also the trash talk. Yeah,
but for sure.

He got two doves in one night. Let me
say one thing because you guys know this

well. I think Chris knows him well.

Dan Lambert, where we were hanging out.
I think that was at Topgolf, right? We

were all at.

Dan Lambert pulls out the receipts. Bro,
do you remember they had an earthquake?

Oh, yeah. The night before your fight?
Yeah, I sat right through it. Yeah, that

was crazy.

I remember about the earthquake.

But Dan was pulling out receipts. He's
like, Look at this one.

I'm looking, $80 ,000 Jorge Mastro.
First round, I'm like, oh, snap. The

on that was $400 ,000.

Oh, my God. Then another parlay because
Tiago Santos fought that day. It was

like four ATT guys fought.

I was like on all the parlays had me
winning by KO.

He had maybe like a million dollars. You
know how Dan bets? Yeah. That feeling

was like.

Hey, man.

When did you decide you were going to
throw that flying knee in the first

right away?

Say it again. When did you decide I was
going to be throwing that flying knee? I

knew that there was a very, very high
chance I was going to open up with that.

And when I got to the cage, I'm always
looking. As mad as I might seem, I'm

always looking and thinking. And I've
seen Ben's corner was back here.

He was in the front lines, far away from
me. He couldn't wait to get his hands

on me. He wasn't getting those last
-minute instructions. He wasn't

He was like.

I'm coming right at him. He was like,
okay.

Yeah. The setup before was good, too.
You were cheering, you had to, like,

smile. Yeah. Leaning against the fence,
just like, I'm inviting him. When you

think about it, like, it's so smart
because Askren knew he had no chance on

feet with you. He was going to, his
instinct in that fight, I have to get

takedown. So, like, as a big explosive
movement's coming, his first instinct,

without even trying to make that happen,
is to look for your legs.

And so it was like literally perfect.
Bro, after you did that, every local

I went to in Louisiana, Florida,
everywhere, kids were starting like that

their hands behind their back.

I'm not going to lie. Sometimes I catch
myself. I'll be like this, just chilling

because I like chilling like that too.
And I'm like, I'm doing the Horry

Someone that you aspire to be.

That's what it was. Everybody wanted to
be like you after that moment. A

memorable moment.

Shout out to Bender for making it out of
that close call.

Give him a little shout out real quick,
man. I got to visit him.

That dude is a soldier, man. He's
already wrestling.

He heard some rumors that dude even
wants to come back to compete again, you

know. Really? Some grappling and stuff
like that. So it's just crazy to hear,

see that he's working out, all this
stuff after a double lung transplant.

Oh, he looked bad for a minute, man.
Yeah, he did. Some of the videos I saw.

Yeah, he's as mentally tough as you can
possibly get. I don't think he gets

tougher than that, you know.

But, I mean, so much came from that, the
memorable moments. It was super

necessary. Like, everybody was saying
that afterwards.

And then three -piece in a soda after
the Darren Till fight. So, I mean, yeah.

And those are just, like, things you say
on the regular down here in Miami. And

don't nobody think nothing of it. Don't
nobody think you're funny because you

said this. And when I said it, and then
everyone wanted to give me an award for

being funny. I'm like, motherfucker, you
know me my whole life. Yeah, exactly.

But you had that. But you had those
moments.

You had those moments. And, Dustin,
you've had your moments too, but I think

your moments came more so from just
violence.

Pure violence. Just pure violence. My
pleasure.

People just remember you from your
violence. You never had to talk trash.

never had to go out and sell yourself.

Just being violent was enough for you.

Fortunately, my fighting style always
had that. I didn't have to do anything

extra because I was always in wars every
time.

So I didn't have to go up.

outside of myself and be a character.
Everything was real. And if you did see

talking trash or saying something about
somebody, it's because I really meant

it. I wasn't fabricating anything
anytime I said it. How many times have

bad blood going into fights?

Every fucking time. Oh, every time?

You're always angry?

You always hate them?

They're trying to take it, man. I can
tell you something, because I was his

training partner for many, many years.

Dustin's one of the meanest guys in the
gym.

Always. Like, he's old.

I would see him fucking hurt people and
just look at me and smile and be like,

you see, I got him with a body shot.

You see that?

Or he'll make a guy miss and he'll comb
his hair right in front of him like this

and comb his hair like that just to piss
you off.

I mean, that's how we were taught to be,
though. For it to be able to translate

to an actual fight, you've got to live
that in the gym.

You know, so you're not being someone
different in the fight. But nowadays,

like, it's different. It's a lot of play
sparring. People are kind of chilling.

You don't want to hurt anybody.

You know, you're trying to save brains.

As I got older, I was nice. I would rip
bodies. You know, I would not bang up

guys' heads, you know.

Yeah, but listen, if you didn't know how
to check a cap kick, Dustin's going to

fucking rip your leg every time. And
it's like tough love, too, the way a lot

us see it. Like, well, you haven't
improved yet if I can still hit you with

move, you know.

Oh, yeah, we're ripping caps.

We're ripping caps and ripping lippers
for sure.

All right, well, let's rip these lists
out. So let's get our top five

superstars. Current fighters, though. I
wanted to try to stick with current

fighters on this so we can give some
love to the guys that are actually out

there doing it. Chris, let's start with
your top five. Yeah, I'm going to go.

It's tough because, like, Thinking in
America, what we think of as being stars

versus, like, worldwide stars, you could
look at, like, social media presence,

but sometimes that doesn't, like, really
correlate with being, like, a star.

For me, I ended up doing, like, who am I
most excited to watch fight? Like, who

do I get that buzz, you know, when they
get ready to fight? And so number five,

I got Chamayev.

I got four. I got Jon Jones.

Then I got Teporia, Alex Pereira.

and then Conor McGregor.

Conor McGregor and Jon Jones, they've
been out for a while, but they're still

the UFC contract, so I'm putting them in
there.

Okay. Duffman, who you got?

I don't have my list in front of me.

You want to look at some of these names?

Let me go.

Number one, I'm going the other way. You
went five to one. I'm going one to

five. Conor is first.

Ilya, second.

And third.

You got John Jones. Chama.

Alex is third.

Fourth, I got to go Gaethje.

Five, Patty.

I'm kind of on the same thing as Chris
was saying. Who am I excited to see

fight? I'm not thinking about worldwide.

This is my personal list of people I'm
excited to watch fight.

I think Max's honorable mention, he
could be on there as well.

Who do you think is the biggest? I guess
you think Gaethje, but Gaethje and

Holloway, I feel like it's a weird one
to try to decipher who's the bigger star

between them two. I know Max beat
Gaethje, but Gaethje, you get something

every fight. It's a war. It's a battle.
So I put Gaethje on the must -watch

above Max.

That doesn't mean he's a better fighter,
but he's a must -watch TV. Yeah, yeah.

I like that.

Jorge, who you got?

I got Ilya.

Number one. You said fighters early on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. No, no, no.

You said fighters that are fighters. My
list is the same way. Turrent. Yeah.

Ilya.

Chama, number two, because I got fight.
Oh, yeah.

Bro, everybody knows. In Japan, in
Korea, it doesn't matter where this guy

lands. He doesn't have to speak out.
He's international.

He's got this crazy aura about him, too.
When he walks in the room, you're like,

oh, my God. He is an effing star, bro.

Like, it's crazy, man.

Number three.

I'm going to go with Chamayev.

I think Chamayev's a huge star
worldwide.

Number four, I'm going to throw a little
curveball at y 'all, but I think

especially after this next fight, he's
going to be one of the biggest names.

Sean's trickling, bro.

And he's got that cold -like love and
hate, bro.

He's going to be up there soon. And
number five, I'm going to go with

Oliveira.

He's hard not to have on a list, too. I
know, man. He's so famous.

He's got the whole Brazil on his back
without even mentioning it. I'm

some of my spots on my list now.

I mean... Because I didn't even think of
Sean when I was... Now I'm like... And

before this fight, after this fight,
it's going to be massive.

Sean's already a pretty big name.

So if he pulls it off... He's got the
love and... No, if he pulls it off, he

might shoot the number one, you know?
Yeah.

Because he's got the love and the hate.
He's got what it takes. That's true. He

makes you feel... A lot of these
moments, you know?

He makes you feel...

He makes me feel one way or the other.

So I was more with you on this. I didn't
go John Jones or Conor McGregor because

they haven't fought. So I went number
five, Derek Lewis.

I mean, Derrick Lewis, I mean, the
president asked to have him on the card.

had to go Derrick Lewis. I love Derrick.
And then I'm going to go Patti Pimlett.

I have a friend of mine who has a little
daughter. She's like five years old.

She walks around the house doing the
Patti Pimlett thing. So, like, anytime

can get five -year -olds on your side,
you're probably a pretty big star.

Then I went number three, Sean O'Malley.

Sean O'Malley is a pretty big star.
Like, if he's walking around the airport

people see him, I think that he's going
to get swarmed.

And then number two, and these are hard
because, like you said, we don't know

how big they are outside the U .S., but
I think Ilya is probably really big in,

like, Spain and Georgia and everywhere
he goes. He's big here, so he's got to

big. Yeah, so I'm going to go Ilya
number two and then number one, Alex.

Like, that guy is just, like, he's just
star power everywhere he goes.

I mean, it is crazy when you look at
that list. If they're walking through

airport, they're all walking next to
each other. Where are all the people?

one of them is getting the most people
around them? That's also another way to

figure out how you figure it out, right?

I'd say Sean O'Malley's freaking got to
be up there.

Yeah, but are any of them honorary
officers?

Oh, that's true. You feel me? Dustin
Poirier is now an officer.

He's fighting crime out in Lafayette.
Dustin Poirier is on his work.

That's how this works.

Officer Dustin. We're good now.

And, you know, it is 420, so you know
who I'm pulling over when we leave the

studio?

Just a random check.

Jorge, he doesn't have his ID. I mean,
it's 420. I'm going to do a little

traffic stop.

So we're talking about stars. Let's go
back to the weekend.

Mike Malott. You know, to me right now.

He was in a perfect position to be a
star. He's Canada's only hope right

now for male MMA.

Remember?

Roy McDonald.

Chris Hordecki.

Mark Hominick.

A lot of really good fighters.

He lost to Aldo.

I was there at that fight. That was UFC
129 in Toronto.

I think we had 60 ,000 people. It was
the biggest fight I've ever been to.

Yeah. And the bonuses were $129 ,000
that night. Oh, I remember that one.

that GSP and Jake Shields? Jake Shields,
yeah. Yeah. I think Lyoto might have

front -kicked Randy Couture that night,
too. Oh, wow. That was a huge one. Yeah.

It was a big card. That's right. That
was a great card.

Yeah, 60 ,000 people, bro. It was the
loudest crowd I ever heard.

Well, right now, Mike Millat seems to be
the last hope.

For Canada right now. And male MMA. I
mean, Jasmine Jazz officially.

So hopefully this works out. But before
we get into how I feel like he might

have fumbled the bag a little bit, let's
give him his props. Mike Malott, let's

give him his props. He, you know, he
stunted on Gilbert Burns and had a great

performance against Gilbert.

Did his thing.

And let's even talk about Gilbert for a
moment. I mean, Gilbert went out. I

mean, he was on a skid, but we all know
how good Gilbert is. I mean, you guys

all thought that he was going to win
this fight.

It's not like he's lost much. He just
couldn't beat Mike Millat. You know what

I'm saying?

Did you guys get a chance to watch the
fight? Yeah.

Jorge,

what did you think of the fight?

I think I don't want to take nothing
from Millat because I do see some gifts

that he has.

He could always improve and stuff, and
he's going to keep improving. He's

But it's not the same deal. I think Gil
has a lot of mileage now.

Gil's been in some wars, man, like tons
of them. He's fought for the belt, I

think. twice maybe.

Gil's been through the ring. At 155 and
at 170, he's fought the world's best.

I'm kind of glad to see him retire
because I don't want to see him losing

guys that he shouldn't be losing to
based off his skill set. I can just see

a beat off. It's nothing to take away
from Malak because he looked great and

just what he's supposed to do. Go out
there and conquer the old lion, but this

is an older Gilbert.

He had a great career.

Long career from 55, 170.

Beat some big names, been in some big
fights.

And like he said, he didn't have any
doubt that he was going to, you know,

this fight. He thought he was going to
win.

Yeah. I just wonder if the retirement,
if he went into this fight planned, you

know, like if something does happen and
I do lose, am I laying the gloves on?

Just having that in the back of your
head. Yeah,

that's still having a retirement.

Yeah. Well, you got five. It's five in a
row? Five in a row. He's lost five in a

row.

And there were big, high -profile
fights, a lot of them. And this is the

guy who wasn't ranked, but now he's
lost. The other guys were, like, top

guys. And he was in there with those
guys.

And one of the fights, I think, was an
injury as well. He hurt his shoulder

against maybe Bilal.

Maybe, yeah.

I think you're right. Oh, yeah, yeah,
yeah. He did hurt his shoulder. Still a

loss, but still a loss.

And I just, you know, I...

Props to him a lot because, you know, he
found his way around the guard of

Gilbert. And Gilbert, you always have to
worry about that big overhand, right?

You got to worry about jiu -jitsu. He
brings a lot of problems to the table.

But I'm with these guys, like, you know,
you just see it. I didn't see that even

in myself as I ate, as I got older,
until I now look back, until it was

And I could see everything's about
confidence.

So for me, it was like I had so many
damn injuries. And so I couldn't train

hard. And the way I got my confidence
always was from... just working super

and so my confidence took a hit and then
also as you start having losses you get

more experience which is great but you
also start hesitating more like you just

know more i don't know if i said this
example because i said this a couple

but like If a jab's coming at you and
you're young, it's like slip, rip, you

come in with a combo hard.

As you get older, like, you might
overthink shit. Like, you slip, I'm

and as I'm ripping, I'm thinking, oh,
wait, what if he hits me with that check

left hook? Like, you start thinking
different possibilities, and you

And when I was watching Gilbert, I seen
that in him. I seen him, like, kind of

hesitating on some shit, and I think
it's hard to see it when you're in it,

I can kind of see it in him right now. I
think it's time. Bro, what you're

talking about, when I got...

To the end of my career, I thought too
much too.

Like the more you know, it's kind of a
curse.

It's a curse. When you're young and
you're throwing that shot, that return

and you're ripping after you slip, you
don't think about getting hit in between

those. As you get older, you know
there's so many ways to win and lose.

so much. It becomes like a detriment to
your skills because you know the guy.

It's just too much. You know how many
options the guy has, everything you

You want experience and all of a sudden
the experience becomes too much and it's

a hindrance.

Like, I don't know. And it's hard to see
it when you're in it because when you

have that type of experience, you're
probably better than ever in the gym.

I was still.

crushing everybody in the gym, doing my
thing. I was like world champion level.

I'm all right. I'm going to get my title
back.

But until you're in there and
everything's on the line, that's when,

when, that's when it comes out. Cause
there's the pressure, you know, and like

every moment matters in sparring. All
right. I'm not going to get knocked down

smart, you know?

Um, so it's.

As you go through your career, it's the
biggest fights. The more you know, the

more experienced you are. You're in the
biggest fights. You're main eventing. So

much is on the line.

It's a lot, man. Another name to bring
up when I think about this is Adesanya.

Because I actually relate a lot to what
Adesanya is going through.

Because I didn't go on a four -fight
losing streak, but I could have. I went

a three -fight losing streak. And I
remember trying to come back from that.

And I see the same thing in Adesanya.
Like, there's hesitations. The

kind of comes, you know, in a negative
way. And I see that happen to him right

now.

And, you know, it's just tough. You
don't know when you're the guy, like

it's time.

You're the last one to know. Yeah, the
fighter's the last one to know. They

still think they got it.

And as a coach, I'm like, I'm looking at
them, and I know.

Like, I know, but I can't really tell
them.

Because, like, in their head, they see
it. And, like, I want to be positive,

I can't really tell them. So I just got
to ride with them because that's my dog.

I got to ride with you.

And we're going to still try to get it.

But in my head, I know. I'm like, I
know.

You're speaking in cold word, and
there's a couple ATT matches versus Dean

Thomas. Who could he be talking about
over there, huh?

And you don't want to be around anybody
who breaks down your confidence.

You have a fight coming up, and you got
a coach coming over you and trying to,

like, push on you that, hey, you know,
maybe the time is kind of down. Maybe

this will be your last one. Bro, you.

You don't want to kill that dude.

So it's very hard for a coach to be
honest with their fighter with this type

stuff. It's only like when they win you
can be honest. Like, all right, this is

our last match. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When
they win. We rolled the dice. We won.

We're done.

That's it. We're done. I got to be
honest.

It's like, yo, you're giving up on me? I
have a loss and now you're giving up on

me? No, we're going to ride out right
now. We won. We got the bonus. Done.

That's it.

Yeah, yeah. All right. Now, before we
get to Mike Mollat's fumble, I do want

get to you guys' favorite Gilbert
moment.

because he's had some good moments, and
I want to give him his props because we

won't see him again.

Dustin, you have a favorite Gilbert
moment?

The whole fight with Kamzat. Yeah. I
mean, we kind of thought he was going to

into that fight and get tossed around
and manhandled, but he put up a fight

could have won. You know, he could have
won that night.

I thought he won that night.

He might have won. That was in
Jacksonville, right? That was in

yeah. I thought he won that night, you
know.

Back and forth. And Chamayev was afraid
of his jiu -jitsu, for sure. Like, he

wasn't messing with him on the ground,
which I think is why that fight was

probably so close. Like, Chamayev, we
haven't seen him scared of someone's

groundwork, you know, since.

Well, no one really has groundwork like
that. We haven't seen him hurt. That's

true. Gilbert hurt him on the feet a few
times. Yeah, Gilbert hurt him. Oh,

yeah, 100%. Usman hurt him, no? Did
Usman hurt him at all?

No, he just kind of tipped it close. I
don't think he ever wobbled him. No.

But Gilbert wobbled him. That was like
that time where he was like, uh -oh.

That's the fight that stands out to me,
too, is that Chamaya fight. Because

Chamaya was just such a freaking animal.
And to see Gilbert Burns in there doing

his thing and almost winning that fight,
I'm like, man, he's just tough as hell.

You know, I give him props. You know,
Wonderboy is basically my brother -in

-law, so that's family. But Wonderboy
came out of that fight and was like,

he was just so strong. Like, he just,
you know, manhandled him.

Yeah. No, he's just – and one thing, we
talked about this before the show. He's

just such a – everyone loves him. These
guys are ATT boys.

Like, there's some – you know, there's
been beef between the Kill Cliffs,

Sanford, Black Zillions, whatever, ATT,
you know. Anytime I see the guy, shake

hands. He's the coolest dude. Yeah, he's
a gentleman.

He had good energy, man. Yeah.

He's a real martial artist, though, you
know. Real martial artist.

Two -time Brazilian Jiu -Jitsu World
Champion.

You know, the guy's legit, man. Yeah,
100%. Yeah, I'm going to go with the –

I think it was a right hook.

Switch stance, right hook to Damian
Maia. Knocked him out. Oh, I forgot

that one, too. Bam! Knocked him right
out, yeah.

Yeah, that's my favorite Gilbert moment.
Anyone for you?

That was kind of like the Jorge on
Darren Till. Yeah, same punch.

Jorge kind of ran into it. That was like
a new thing.

I switched the stance. Yeah.

I remember the Gilbert one. That was a
good one.

And Damian Maia was one of my favorite
fighters, so I want to hurt it a little

bit. Yeah.

Yeah, Damien's a bad too.

The Jemima fight, yeah. The Jemima,
because he was supposed to get, like

said, mopped. He wasn't supposed to last
in nothing, and he went in and just

showed him, you know? Yeah, I remember
that fight. Jemima was sitting on the

octagon waiting for Gilbert to come out.

I had never seen that like that before.
First of all, I'm scared of heights.

I'm looking at him, and I'm like, oh,
he's going crazy.

He's sitting on the cage.

He was sitting on the top of the cage
waiting for Gilbert to come out. So that

fight. That fight was epic. Yeah.

It's for sure a highlight of his career.
All right, so back to Mike Millat. He

fumbled the bag. He fumbled the bag in
order to insert himself into the

conversation of, like, becoming a big
star.

And we have video footage of him
fumbling the bag. If we can roll the

You're going to be in the top 15 now
with the big dog.

Is there anybody you want next or any
time that you want to be back in here?

I'm not the kind of guy to call people
out. You know me, man. I try to do it

proper way.

Just trying to get better every time,
pursue growth and greatness, and I feel

like I did a pretty good job of that
tonight.

Damn, Skippy.

Felder tried.

It's a Buddhist man.

He had a great performance, but come on.

You got to do better than that on the
mic.

Yeah, he's got his biggest opponent he's
ever gone against in his hometown.

You know, you want people to be
themselves.

You know, you don't want them coming
outside themselves, but you have that

opportunity to get people excited for
your next fight and get people to want

watch you again.

Because there's going to be so many more
fights in between him and his next

fight. You got to bring that moment,
that memory.

And yeah, I think he should have dropped
some names, man. You can't be afraid to

do that.

He's chasing his... He's being a company
man.

He's being a company man, but you got
to...

But you got to know he's thinking about
somebody. There's somebody he's staring

at on that list of names in that
division that he thinks about. Like, I

can beat that guy. I really want to
fight that guy. There's always somebody

above you that you want to fight. Did
you see Chiesa call him out on this on

post -fight show?

Oh, yeah. Chiesa did the desk work, and
he said, he was like, bro, I just got to

be honest with you after they were
talking for a while.

You know, you got to offer the mic. I
think that's one of the biggest

opportunities as a fighter, you know, to
be able to get yourself out there and

get people excited for your next fight.
And you just, you kind of fumbled the

bag. And he was like, I'm not, he was
like, here's a list of the top 10 guys,

top 15 guys. Give me, give me two names.
I'll give you options. He goes, I'm not

going to do that. I was like, he was
like, I'm not the type of person who

people out. I'm like, all right. I
appreciate that you stand to your gun,

also maybe you should have just said two
names. But maybe you just talk about

something else to keep people excited,
you know?

Maybe his pet cat or something.

Well, I mean, here's the thing, though.
But is it fair for us to put this

expectation on him to be exciting? But
here's the downside of that. He got to

finish. He got to finish, and he's going
to move forward.

But then if not many people are excited
about you, you can't complain if you

don't get the opportunities.

Exactly.

So you can be yourself. Even if he
doesn't want to call somebody out, you

say something. Yeah, you can stick to
your guns, and you can be a gentleman,

you can be that guy.

But then also don't complain if you
don't get opportunities.

That's the way I feel. Like, look at
Josh Hogan. He did all his talk, and now

he's fighting Derek Lewis in the White
House card.

Possibly a title fight.

After that, if he was able to win.
Crazy. If he was just Mr. Nice Guy all

way through, it could be, you know,
nine. Look at Carlos Holberg. Carlos

just fought. He had nine fight win
streak until he finally was fine for the

belt. You know, because he is nice. He's
not so contrived.

You know, so you could do it that way,
which is great, but it's going to be a

harder road.

And this game is fickle. Anything could
happen. You know, not always does the

best guy win.

So you could take a loss and you sell it
back and people forget, you know.

I mean, when you think of other guys
that don't talk a lot, like Diego Lopez

doesn't really talk a lot, but he's like
you.

Like his violence speaks for itself.

I mean, and Mike Malott, he's a great
fighter, but he's not violent like that.

Gaethje's another one? Yeah, Gaethje's
another one. He's not out there talking

trash, building up a fight in a crazy
way, but you want to see him fight

of the violence. Yeah. Yeah.

That's true.

So also in the car, it was a great night
of fights.

Kyler Phillips loses to Charles
Jourdain. I thought maybe Kyler won the

That was a fun fight. I didn't think so.
You thought he lost? Yeah, I thought he

lost. I mean, I wasn't paying attention
that closely and judging it.

Jourdain was tagging him up on the feet,
right? Yeah, he was kind of tagging him

up. And Phillips maybe got a takedown or
two, right? Like maybe controlled him a

little bit. But Jourdain looked good.

Yeah, they're both fun fighters to
watch. People don't know Phillips as

hasn't had that big win yet.

to put him on the map, but I've been
watching him since the beginning because

believe he used to train with Roger.

Right, yeah. He used to train with
Roger, so I knew about him early. When

came into the UFC, I was like, oh, you
know, and he's entertaining.

He's very skilled, very well -rounded. I
think Jordanian just had some bigger

moments in his career and a couple steps
ahead, like in the evolution of a

fighter. More experience.

winning those moments that were like,
yeah, I guess you're right. Like I said,

wasn't fully paying attention.

It just, like every time I looked, it
was like, it felt like Colin Phillips

on top of him. But then again, there's
probably more moments like that where

he's kind of struggling to make it out
of a round. It was a fun fight to watch

for sure.

And the fight that I knew was going to
be fun, John Herbert and Mandel Nalo. I

knew that was going to be fun. And that
delivered exactly.

I thought Nalo might beat him and he was
that close.

But, man, did that fight deliver.

That's some big lightweights, bro. Yeah.
That was some big boys.

I think one was 6 '1". I think Herbert's
6' even.

That's some big lightweights, man. I'm
like, yo, I mean, I can't believe I

fought at lightweight.

It was a crazy time. Why? What do you
think you should have fought at?

Like, if you were in your prime right
now. Like, I was, like, Aljo size.

So I should have been a featherweight.

No, man, you're not Aljo size.

You taller than Aljo. No, we're about
the same size. Me and Aljo are about the

same height.

No.

I was, like, his size.

Yeah, but your core, like your chest.

Yeah, you're thick.

I'm sponge. I got sponge bar body. We
got the same body. We both look like

Dungeness crabs.

All right, pocket.

Aljo's lean, bro. Get your wallet over
your shoulder.

Your ass is up there.

But, Chris, I got to talk about this
fight, man, because I'm so bad. Dennis

Pazuka got knocked out by my host. Such
a good kid, man. I feel bad for him.

He's got a ton of potential, but this is
the game we're in, man.

What's the dude's name, Barboza? Yeah,
yeah, Barboza. The way he did it was

so pretty, you know. So clean. Even
though that's my boy, it really was

beautiful. He weaved underneath, came
back up with that, finishing with that

left hook.

That's the worst time to get caught,
too, to get put out.

Whenever you don't see the shot coming,
your body's twisting, you're not in

position to receive a shot. Your brain
can get wrapped. What you did to

Silva when he was...

Yeah. Head back. Yeah. Chin and his
neck. It wasn't like ready to, you know,

your brain gets shaken even more when
you're loose like that. So whenever

returning a shot and somebody hits you
in between you delivering the shot, guys

always go down. Yeah. What was that?
What was that? Dan Hardy, Carlos.

get this in. Hooks at the same time.

Yeah. It's the worst time to get. Wait,
who landed that?

Carlos knocked him out. That was nasty.

Beautiful left hook. He was in the
middle of throwing a shot and he wasn't

to receive a shot.

Like Longo always told us that the most
complicated or the highest

level of striking is hit on hit, throw
on throw. So when they're throwing,

you're throwing. Yeah, so you're barely
making the miss as you're landing. You

can't have an offense and a defense at
the same time. So if a guy's getting

overzealous, throwing heavy, and you can
catch him in between, that's when you

hurt that. Good old Chad Cook or right
for right. Yeah. Yeah.

Chris, did you call Dennis after that?
You sent him a message? No, I just

messaged him. I talked to him.

I mean, he's the most polite kid. I
think he's going to be good. He's saying

the right things.

It's just tough when you see young guys,
you know, get knocked out like that.

You see your buddies. How do you handle
that? Some people don't come back from

it. I've seen it.

It's really hard. It always hurts. No
matter how many times I see them, it's a

close friend. It always just hurts, you
know.

You feel for them. And it's always when
you're in their corner especially.

so a lot of us here have been yeah
there's like nothing you can do for your

friend as you're headed out but just
pray for him and then Things like that

happen. It crushes you every time. Oh,
man. Because we know what a loss does.

Fighting is not like basketball. You get
to play the next day or whatever.

You have a bad day.

It's on you for a while. So all the
critics think you suck for a long time

you can't wait to go out there and prove
it. So the next thing they know, you go

out there earlier than you probably
should because you've had enough and

you can lose again. It's just such a
tough game.

to be in. Every fight means so much.

Every one is the most important one.

It never feels like... I was always
waiting for that one fight where it

really matter.

I didn't want this pressure.

You always feel like it's going to get
easier. It never gets easier. It's

the same because there's more pressure.

Something else at stake. Something else
on the line. And what happened to him...

In the back of our mind, we all know
it's a possibility. Every time that bell

rings. Every time you fight.

You know it's a possibility.

Yeah. You go swimming, you get wet, they
say.

That's why these guys, everyone who
steps in that arena, man, they deserve

respect. For sure. Because anything is
not going to happen. Yeah, and it does.

The theater of the unknown under those
lights, man. Yeah, it is crazy.

That's why, you know, predicting fights
is so hard for me.

Because especially on the main card of,
like, numbered events.

because you don't know what's in their
head. Like on the prelims or some of the

smaller cards, it's easier, but the main
card of a numbered event where there's

so much at stake.

You can't predict those fights because
you don't know which guy is going to

up. And you also, you can look at their
pre -fight talk and all that shit. You

didn't rob the bank? No, sometimes we
need to rob the bank.

He's talking.

No, I was going to say, like, sometimes
I listen to what people are saying

before the fight. It's like, oh, he's
saying the right things and all that

stuff. But all of it really doesn't
matter because it's what you're feeling

soon as you touch those gloves and it's
fight time.

You could have the worst training camp.
You could have the best training camp.

None of it really matters until, like,
who's the most confident? Who's the most

focused? As you just touch those gloves.

I always tell people, like, you never
know.

For me, it's when they're walking.

Like, you never know who's going to show
up. Because in the back, it might be

one thing. The week before, whatever,
they might be nervous. But when they hit

that tunnel and start walking out, I go,
oh, he there.

Or he not there. Did you guys hear what
Ilya Teporya just said?

said recently it just popped up on my
instagram whatever um same thing as like

clavicular that's how i knew who
clavicular was the other day bro after

about him then i started seeing stuff
that's funny yeah that's all i've never

heard of him before that's crazy um What
was I about to say?

Oh, bro. Oh, so he said something that I
thought was really good that we could

all probably relate to.

He says the reason why he thinks he has
such an advantage on guys when he's

fighting them mentally is because he
knows that they're thinking about this

fight and thinking about it over and
over and over again and wearing

out. Like even the day of the fight,
they're thinking about it five, six,

times going through the whole fight. He
goes.

He doesn't think about the fight at all
until he touches gloves. So he feels

like he's the fresher guy mentally, and
that's why he feels like he's sharp.

That's true.

I think it is true. Mental warfare is
legitimate in fighting. Sometimes you

overthink it. You're so nervous. You're
thinking about all these possible

negative things that could happen, and
it's like, for what? Why are you

about all this stuff? And it becomes
worse to those kind of guys, opponents,

whenever you become a star and you have
like an aura.

Like Conor, like Teporia, like Anderson
had when he was on his run. Some guys

get that aura about him like Chemayev
has right now. Yeah. And it becomes even

harder to beat that person.

I think Silva has one of the scariest
auras, period.

Anderson? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, he was
scary.

I was so ready for that first fight.

I had everybody talking.

How did you deal with that? Like,
because his aura, like. Well, this is

truth. You had to be the one. Didn't he
wear the mask? It was what, nine? No, he

didn't wear the mask. That was Vitor.
Yeah, Vitor, he did that. Yeah, what,

nine?

I think he's more.

I'm the worst with stats.

I don't pay attention to them, but I
think he's 11, 12. I don't know.

But, like, in training and everything, I
was, like, the reason why I had

confidence, I was working so damn hard.
And I've seen Shel Sonnen, who.

I think Chael Sonnen almost beat him
that first time with wrestling, and then

got submitted. That's what made me a
bigger fan of Silver, that he came back.

never gave up and said no. Hail Mary.

But in my head, I was like, all right, I
think I'm a better wrestler than Chael.

I'm younger. I probably was more
athletic.

So why don't you call him out at RFA?

What, call out? The wrestler, Sonnen.
The wrestler, man. Go get Auntie Chael

me. I don't like him either, man. I got
to beat up Colby Covington first. Beat

up Colby? Because that's just like his
retarded son, and then go beat up Chael.

That's awesome.

Yeah, all right.

All right, we're going to move on, but I
want to just say this.

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friends about it. All right, so some UFC

in the works. Alex Bejeda has shown us
what he's looking like at heavyweight.

What do you guys expect from him?

Knockouts. Yeah, knockouts.

Oh, my gosh.

Dude looks massive, bro. Yeah, man.

He looks like a fucking heavyweight.
He's going to have the speed.

He's going to have the speed. He's going
to have the speed. I don't know if he's

going to have it. I don't think he's
slowing down. In the pocket speed, but

overall speed, I think.

Footwork -wise, he's got athleticism.

But it just takes one shot.

It's a tough fight. It's a tough fight
to go up to heavyweight and go against

athletic guy. I got Pareda winning by
stoppage.

Tell us about Pareda by stoppage. I got
gone early on winning, and then I got

Pareda finds a way, man.

I believe in Chama fights, man. Chama.

He would be the first three -time
division champion.

He can do it, man.

He can do it. Does anybody with, like,
the mental fortitude to be able to move

up to heavyweight and beat the number
one guy at heavyweight? I feel like it's

not being talked about enough, you know,
that he could be the first three -time.

That's true. I don't hear anybody saying
that. Yeah. Like, I forgot about that

aspect of Ilya's star power that they
put Ilya.

Over Chama.

That is true, too. For the third title
that he can get, you know.

Or is it Gaethje?

Do you think they did that because
Gaethje?

Well, I mean, but Gaethje is the
American at the right now.

Both of them are bigger than Pereira,
you know. Well, I think it's because,

well, so real gone is definitely.

not close to as big as Gaethje or
Teporia. No. But Pereira is close.

Actually, Gon's pretty big, man. He's
been in movies and stuff that I was

watching. I was like, when have you seen
Gon? Yeah, I think I've seen him one of

those. Gon in Europe is pretty damn
huge.

There's no way that fight's going to be
boring, and there's no way the Gaethje

fight's going to be boring. A lot of
times I tell people, hey, you have to

this fight, and then it turns out kind
of slow.

This one, I'm 100 % confident.

You could bet. You were telling
everybody that Johnny Walker, Dominic

fight was going to be sick. Exactly,
exactly.

Never listening to you again. Exactly.

Yeah, but no one could have predicted
that that fight was going to be boring.

But it kind of made sense after the
fact. It's so weird.

No, that was the one I was searching on.
I was like, this is going to be fight

of the night. Yeah.

I know a lot of people did.

I know.

But again, I'm on your side with that
one. No one could have predicted that

fight was going to be boring. And no one
is going to be upset about.

this main event at the White House. It's
going to be a banger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely. All right, so Paddy Pimla
said he's coming back. So what do we

about that? Who do you think he should
fight?

I think throw him in the hot water right
away.

Let's find out where he's making it.
He's coming off. I got him against

He's just, bam, right off. Usually they
kind of match up winners and winners.

Yeah. Fighters coming off of a loss.
Fights another fighter coming off a

But when you're a star like Paddy, you
can put him in there with somebody

off a win.

BSD, Gamrot's a good one, I think. I
think you put him there. Conor McGregor.

Conor McGregor.

I got one for you. Conor wants to come
back.

Conor wants to come back. You got to put
him against Money Moicano.

That would be fun. That would be fun.
That would be fun for me.

Moicano's come out for a win. And they
got a good back story already, them two.

That'll be a good one. Yeah.

Yeah, I want to see him fight Money
Moicano.

But, I mean, when it comes to the
rankings, though, I'm not sure where

What, five or six, maybe?

Patty? Patty?

He was up there.

BSD is closest to him in the rankings.
Yeah, I guess you kind of have to.

Moikano's out of the, or he might be 10.
I don't know. He was in the top 10 a

while back. If Patty would have beat
Gagey.

Moikano is?

No, Patty. Oh, okay.

You think if Patty would have beat
Gagey, it would have been a bigger fight

Ilya versus Gagey?

Worldwide? I think so, because they had
that beef. Remember Toporio and Patty?

He was calling them, like, Mushroomhead.

It'll be a lot bigger buildup on the
outside of it.

Because Gaethje doesn't talk that much.
Nah. You know, and Patty's... As a fight

fan, I'd rather see Gaethje versus
Toporio. Oh, yeah, it's an insane fight.

All right, well, we got some... The
chat, they chimed in and let us know

they're thinking. Let's see.

Who should Patty fight at?

Patty... versus Moicano from Juice Man
562.

That's right. Patty versus Moicano. I
like that one. Who else we got?

Patty versus Hooker. That's what I said
before, but they shot me down.

They shot me down. Before we came on
live, I said, I think Patty versus

would be fun. I got shot down.

When's Hooker ready to go? I think Patty
wins that one. I think Patty wins that

one, dude. So that's probably likely to
happen. How does he win?

Just standing? Beating and standing? I
think he can take him down. Listen, if

it's the Hooker I fought at the Apex
during COVID. Yeah, but that was.

That dude was tough, man. He hasn't been
the same since. You took that one short

notice kind of too, I remember. They
kind of threw it together, yeah.

Yeah, but Hooker hasn't been the same
since.

Yeah, me neither.

That was a war, man.

OGSmoke8271 says, McGregor or BSD?

How about McGregor versus BSD?

Well, who do you have McGregor coming
back against?

Masvidal.

I would love that.

I say Masvidal, Patty, or Chandler.

I know Chandler's out of the question,
but I'm never going to lose hope on

We can't. I'm keeping hope on that for
Chandler. I think we've got to give up

hope for Chandler. For his sake.

If it happens, good for him.

Chandler is a friend of mine, and I'm
not giving up on him. If we keep talking

about it, it's going to cause more of a
problem for him. If Chandler gets a

stoppage at the White House, he's
probably going to get that fight.

He would have to look real good.

Yeah. Oh, here we go.

Hunter Sylvester 9633 says, Patty versus
Max would be a banger.

I agree. It would be a banger. But I
think Max would get him.

Max is too much for him. Yeah, I think
so. He's got to chill out. But Patty's

going to be trying to body lock him to
the ground after what he's seen Charles

Oliver do. He's got a different
blueprint for the first time against Max

Charles is sneaky strong, man.

He looks sneaky strong. So is Moikano.
Moikano's similar that way.

They're long.

They don't look too physically imposing,
but, man, when they get their hands

locked.

PakikiNG908 says, Patty versus Armin is
the only fight to make. I don't think

so. You can't. You can't do that to
Patty.

Armin would smother him.

Wait, Hanato beat BSD, right? Yeah,
stopped him. Just took him down. Referee

stopped him. Gotcha. I think he elbowed
him and got him out or something. Yeah,

they stopped him.

Uh -oh, somebody – Mentionator. I'll buy
that. Dean Thomas versus Patty. I'll

buy that. I got my money on Dean.

Maybe in the street. We got to do it in
the street.

Semi -location. I got the money on Dean.

I'll fight Patty in the street. I still
want to see you fight Moraga.

Mayorga? Mayorga.

Mayorga, yeah. Oh, you got to tell him
the story where he, like, chopped you.

That's a fight I'm still waiting on.
We're at the press conference, and it

in New York City.

You could hear this man talking down the
street.

He gets up to the press conference just
talking. I don't know what he's saying,

but he's talking, talking, talking.

Finally, he gets in my face, and he
blows smoke in my face. So I'm pushing

and he chops me in the neck. His finger,
like, hits me in the neck. And I went

to take a shot on him. I'll change
levels and take a shot on him. So

like, oh, man, he knocked Dean Thomas
out with a chop to the neck. I went,

you got to see it. It was a level
change, Dean.

It was a level change. Be honest here.
Did you get rocked? It was a while ago.

did not get rocked.

Can we pull up the video?

Let's get a slow -mo.

I went to change levels, and the
bodyguard grabbed me, and everybody was

oh, he knocked me out. But I went to
change levels. He was smoking cigarettes

stage? Oh, he was smoking. He blew smoke
in my face.

Smoking cigarettes on stage. He was a
wild man. He was a wild man. He was a

man. Yeah, he was a wild man. Remember,
he was at ATP smoking cigarettes between

sparring sessions. I remember that.

I remember that. He reminds me of Carlos
Prates.

Both of them smoked cigarettes. He was
crazier than Carlos Proctor. He was

crazier than Carlos, man.

I don't know if Carlos is that well,
but... Mayorga is out of his mind. Yeah,

was out of his mind.

I've never seen that. I feel like that
only happens to the American top team in

Brazil.

Who else is out of their mind? Armin
Sorokin. He had a pretty big weekend.

Man, I feel like every week is big for
him. Yeah, he's, like, we talk about the

star stuff. Like, he's doing a lot of
memorable stuff, and we're starting to.

We're starting to not like him. Are we
starting to not like him?

We're just seeing a lot of it. We're
just seeing a lot of it.

I liked everything about him until I
felt like he was bullying Uriah Faber

no reason.

Yeah, Uriah Faber shouldn't probably be
wrestling Armin Sorokin as a bad

mismatched young guy who's still in the
UFC in his prime.

Uriah Faber is...

45 or something. He's an older dude.

And the way he was talking to him pre
-fight was he was just super

disrespectful. I didn't see that. I
didn't see that. And then he threw him

the stage.

I saw that.

It's supposed to be like a fun event.
You know, he like threw him off. He

have got injured. So I didn't like that.
But other than that, I like everything

that he's doing. Like he really has
built his name with all these streamers

he's been around.

The grappling matches, the wrestling
matches. He's staying busy outside the

octagon. He's doing his thing.

Well, he went on his Instagram page and
said this about... He said, he's got all

the makings of a champion except for
self -control.

Spoiled kid for life. Congrats, Armin.
Too much cushion for a hospital visit.

Hashtag pudding.

I mean, he does come across as a spoiled
brat, right? Like, you know, he just

gets kicked off an airplane and gets his
own private jet to wherever he's going.

I mean, it is a bit.

I don't know. We're just not used to
this in our culture. Like, if he was,

a white dude, we're used to, like, a
white rich kid that grew up like that

like, he's acting that way. But he's,
like, a Russian tough -looking dude, and

it's weird to call him spoiled because
he's just not used to seeing anybody

that. Yeah.

I don't know. I didn't make the push
-out on Uriah because Uriah could have

hurt. I mean, Uriah is...

Hall of Famer, great fighter, laid down
the stones for other guys like him to

make a living in the sport. So I
wouldn't have liked that if Uriah got

But aside from that, I love everything
he's doing because he can't fight for

championship. He's keeping people
talking about him every week, and he's

something different.

He's in headlines generating eyeballs,
people talking about him. Bringing a lot

of eyes to wrestling. Bringing a lot of
eyes to wrestling. I think he's doing it

good, man. He's doing it big until they
give him that next fight.

And when they finally announce his next
fight, I mean, he's going to hit the

stratosphere no matter who it is. Is he
definitely next for a title? I don't

know if he's going to fight one more.

Dana said he had that, you know,
incident with him. Put him back in there

Gamrot.

That's what I think, too.

That's a main event. That's a main event
anywhere.

Wow. Him versus Gamrot again, that'll be
classic. But do you feel like you can

trust? I think this comes down to trust.

Because he put other people. No, not
just that, but just like his behavior in

general. I know he pulled out of a
fight, but his behavior in general seems

bit unpredictable. But when has he done
that leading into a UFC fight? Besides

him pulling out, he's never been crazy
behind the scenes. I think he headbutted

Hooker at the weigh -in. He punched a
guy in the stands on his walk -up. Him

Bobby Green almost got into it.

You're right. Now you're right.

There's just a lot of unpredictable
behavior.

Can you risk spending all this money for
him as a headliner?

And then him do something wild.

Yeah. I don't know. I feel like we've
had a lot more wild guys.

Yeah.

He did clock somebody right before
fighting.

On the walkout. Yeah, on the walkout.

Punches a guy on the walkout. I heard
the story was that dude owed him money.

said, I got you.

With interest.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't know.

I think he might be the best lightweight
in the world. There's a possibility

that he's the best lightweight in the
world. Definitely the discussion between

him and Ilya. Him and Ilya. There's no
other question. There's no other people.

You guys see that fight when he fought
Islam back in the day? When he was

It was his debut.

A couple weeks notice.

It crambles.

The back and forth was crazy.

It just shows his wrestling know -how.

He's good.

All right. I think you're going to beat
him, though.

You think you're going to beat him?

I think so, man.

I like Armand. I've trained with him a
lot. I like the guy's style a lot, man.

like his training ethic. I like how he
keeps himself busy.

I don't know. It'd be hard to pick
against Ilya, man.

I know. Yeah, it'd be hard to pick a
guy. But if there is anybody on the

that could do it, it would be Armand.
Out of the whole, yeah. Out of anybody.

Actually, you know, there's another guy,
too, that could definitely give him

problems is Gamma, man. Because Gamma
could wrestle like nobody's business.

we all know Ilya has great wrestling,
but Gamma's a little bigger, long.

And he don't stop his chain, man. Once
he starts, he... We haven't really seen

Armand in a grappling match, pretty
much, you know? Yeah, yeah.

We haven't seen Ilya, like, taken down
by really anybody. Everybody talks about

his ground game, but I haven't seen him.
No, I think Bryce Mitchell, I think,

got to take him down. Well, he thugged
Bryce, right?

He ended up subbing him.

But I think he did get a takedown on
him. Yeah, Bryce did get a takedown on

You'll hear that in the beginning of his
career he had all submissions.

I haven't seen it.

I've definitely grappled with him. He
could definitely grapple me. I've seen

going with other... I've grappled with
both of them. I've seen him go with a

of elite level jiu -jitsu guys on the
ground and him mop them up. With

wrestling, he just gets to good
positions and he catches them.

I would say he could grapple, man. Yeah,
there's no doubt about that.

But I just wish that... I doubt he's
going to have to in his next fight.

Yeah.

He's not grappling in his next fight.
Gaethje doesn't shoot, you know.

Even though he can wrestle, he doesn't
use it.

Gaethje took down Fazeev.

He took down Fazeev.

Or did Fazeev take down... No, he just
did it to save...

to the crowd. Like, I told you, you
know, I got a takedown. Now what? It was

just like a... No, I think Fazeev, I
mixed it up. Fazeev, I think he took

Gaethje in like the first round. No, I
think you were right. I think Gaethje

took him down because I remember Gaethje
on the mic after the fight saying, see,

I know how to wrestle. I did get a
takedown. Yeah, I kind of remember that

I got to go back and watch that.

Officer Dustin?

What are we doing?

I want to see... Officer Dustin? Officer
Dustin?

Officer Dustin?

Ladies and gentlemen.

Officer Dustin Poirier. Yeah, let's go.

Officer Dustin Poirier. Dustin. Shout
out to JP, the sheriff of Youngsville,

Louisiana. Dustin became a police
officer over the weekend. Yeah, man.

how that happened.

Damn, that's crazy. Man, from a child
riding in the back in handcuffs to the

driver's seat, man. We're working our
way up, baby.

He got muscles and a badge.

Yes, locked and loaded.

Armed and dangerous, they say. Armed and
dangerous? You better believe it. So do

you get to arrest people?

I'm not sure. I haven't had to yet, but
I will. Yeah. I will. You need a gun.

You need the handcuffs. Do you know how
fast she was going back there? Yeah.

What kind of cop are you going to be if
you had to pull somebody over? Would you

be more lenient? Training day. Yeah,
there we go.

There we go.

That's awesome. Shot him in the ass.
That is great.

Hey,

that was a great movie.

That was a great movie.

Oh, my gosh.

Is that Dean?

It looked like it cared.

Let's go.

There we go.

What else we got?

That's it? No more?

Just know that the streets of
Youngsville, Louisiana are safe under my

Yeah. 100%. Safe under my watch. They're
lucky to have you. You're going to be

well -equipped to handle yourself under
any circumstance.

I appreciate you, man. We'll see. You
got to hurt somebody with your hands or

whatever it is you got to do. I don't
use a taser. I use the karate.

Good karate.

He doesn't like to hear that.

It was a slip, right? It was a slip.

I slipped.

They dropped your ass. Yeah.

All right, so this weekend we got a big
fight coming up.

Aljamain Sterling taking on Yusuf Zilal.
Yeah.

Good fight for the featherweight
division. Winner could potentially,

on how the fight goes, winner could
potentially be in line for a title shot.

I think Zilal is, what, five or six
fight win streak coming into this one?

He's looking good.

And he showed different aspects of the
game. He showed, like, he could use

footwork and fight smart, but then also
I think he submitted the last guy

winning. Yeah, he submitted Josh Emmett.
Yeah, submitted Josh Emmett, yes.

So he's showing he's really well
-rounded, and he's got the confidence.

a good streak going.

But I'm riding with my guy, Aljo.

Aljo's been doing great at 45. His only
loss is to Evloev, and that was very

close.

And now Voyager should be fine for the
title against Volkanovski. Before we get

to your picks, it is now time to unleash
the beast

fueled by monster energy.

All right.

So now let's get to those picks.

All right. So you're going with Aljo
clearly.

He would be really upset if he watched
this. Oh, bro. He would never talk to me

again.

He has his work cut out for him, but
Aljo is very hard to hit. He's very

annoying on the feet, and I think he's
got more power in his hands. When he

actually sits down on his punches, he's
dangerous on the feet too. But obviously

with Aljo, his greatest asset is his
wrestling and jiu -jitsu. So he's got

back control. So he's got to grab this
one, get him to the floor, control him,

and look for a position and then
submission.

You know, they have very similar styles.

Both fight IQs are very high. Yeah.

Good striking, good submissions.

Yeah, good striking, good submissions,
good, like you said, high IQs, good

footwork. But I have to lean to it, not
just because he's my friend. Like Aljo

is my friend too, but Aljo is my guy.
But I just think he's been doing this

longer.

fighting at that level higher for a
longer time. He's a former world

Yeah, which gives him an advantage in
just being better in those spots.

I almost feel like he's just going to be
a little bit better everywhere.

Is this Zalal's first main event?

That's a good question.

Probably his first five -rounder, right?
Yeah.

Yeah, like you said, Aljo's been in
these deep waters.

He's no pun intended. He's been in there
before.

Nah, no pun intended.

Nah, he's been in these big spots. And I
think, you know, when Aljo, when he

was... Man, I think his run at
Bantamweight is underrated.

100%. I think his run at Bantamweight
was underrated. I think he, you know,

before Murad, he was the best
Bantamweight of all time. I feel bad for

the Sean O'Malley fight because I don't
know if he was ready to take it. He got

put in the position where he wanted to
make the company happy. He didn't want

take it. He kind of got pushed a little
bit on that one. And, you know, it's

tough.

But, yeah, look, everyone kind of
started hating on him because of the way

won with the Piotr Jan, the first fight.
And then he just had so much hate all

the way throughout. Even though he goes
out there and completely dominates Jan

the next time, it's still like people
just weren't willing to accept him as a

champion. But I think as we keep seeing
him grow and stay consistent, like he

goes up a weight class, he's looking
great. I think people are starting to

realize, like, no, he's the real deal.
He deserves respect as a champion. Yeah.

What else is on the card? We got Norma
Dumont, Jocelyn Edwards, Bantamweight

division. Hopefully, you know, the
female Bantamweight division could use

life.

And both of these women have the ability
to knock each other out.

And the female Bantamweight division
could use that because with Kayla

out, Amanda Nunes waiting in the wings
for something to happen, that division

needs some life. Earlier on the card, I
don't know if it's a prelim, but earlier

on the card, speaking of women, out
-American top team, Michelle's on the

then, dude, I think she's going to be a
name. She's going to be a household

name. So she's a bantamweight. So, like,
her and Myra Buena -Silva, they're both

bantamweights. She's dedicated, man. She
pushes herself every day in the gym.

She works hard. She's a good fighter,
skilled, rough, you know, from New

Zealand. Gets into Kayla every day.
Yeah.

Kayla's main training partner. Main
training partner, her day one. Damn.

They beat the crap out of each other.

Yeah, but she's physical, too, man.
She's solid. She's built solid, strong.

She's from, like, New Zealand, too.
Yeah, I think she played rugby, so she's

used to going, you know, right off.

Yeah.

Yeah. Good stuff.

All right, so we'll move on from that.

Let's talk about some light
heavyweights.

A lot of halting going on. Yeah, a lot
of halting going on in that light

heavyweight division.

Carlos, let's see here. Carlos is ATL.

Torn ACL. Carlos Oberg, torn ACL.

Jan Blachowicz, meniscus injury.

Goodness. It's a light heavyweight play.
Yeah. You know, the light heavyweight

division, think about that. So remember
when Jan Blachowicz fought?

Magomed Ankolyev and that whole debacle
with that.

It's never seemed to recover since then.
And then now, when you thought you had

a champion in Alex Bejeda, I mean, he
ran through everybody, making it look

easy. He's moved up. And now we're back
to the same old nonsense we have with

the light heavyweight division.

What do we do with this division?

Almost everybody in the top ten are
coming off a loss because of Alex

But like I said last Monday, we got some
new blood. Paulo Costa's in there. Put

him in there with like a No more
contender fight or make it an interim

He's a guy who's had success at 85,
fought for the belt there, moved up and

looked great in a fight people kind of
wrote him off on. They thought this

guy was going to beat him last weekend.

I thought he looked great, man. Yeah, he
looked great. He looked smart, and then

he got aggressive and got the finish.

Yeah, he deserves it. Maybe he needs one
more, you know.

But right now when you look at the
rankings, it's like nobody. So Uncle Ive

up top. He's coming up along.

Who? Jerry versus.

Secret Sauce.

Yeah.

How long is Yuri going to be out for,
though? He just got put out pretty hard.

Three months, Max.

And Gio comes back as soon as he can.
Because you've got to think Oberg is

to be out ten months.

Do you think they should do an interim
title?

So that's the problem. If you look back,
Jamal Hill.

That's the fight right there.

Khalil versus Secret Sauce.

Khalil Bountry versus Paul Acosta. I do
like that.

So he fought in October of 2025, and he
lost to Yuri Khalil.

So he's had time.

Man, that would be a sick fight. And
Jamal Hill's out of the conversation.

you say that fight last week? He lost to
Khalil.

Say what? You said that fight, didn't
you? Khalil Roundtree and... Kosta?

Yeah, Kosta. That's a good fight. That
would be sick. Yeah. Awesome.

I think to me right now, that's the only
fight to make in that division.

Well, yeah.

Jamal.

I'm trying to – Dominic Reyes just won a
fight, but – I don't know, man. Between

– It's kind of a mess, this division.
Between that and the heavyweight

I think we just blend them together,
just put them together. The only dude

really ready to gate that light
heavyweight is just – Absolutely. You

there. Absolutely. These guys got just,
you know.

Let the cream rise. Is the dude Bogdan
Guskov, is he fighting anybody because

Blachowicz is out? Yeah, he's good too.
They need to keep him under. He's 10th.

Is he going to stay on there? I don't
know. He's like the only one pretty much

available in the top 10. He's got power.
He's got good leg locks too, right?

Yeah, yeah. He's good. He's good.

That's the Russian Anthony Smith.

Yeah, I said that straight to Anthony's
face. I'm like, bro, don't people say he

looks like you? It's crazy to see the
curse in the light heavyweight division.

I'm looking at this, it's like Yuri.

164 days. Jamal Hill, 174 days.

Oldberg just got injured. We'll see how
long it takes.

And they stripped them. So, like, if
you're Jamal Hill and you're Yuri

Brohashka, and then they decide to do an
interim belt for Carlos, you're going

to be like, what the fuck?

Why are they doing interim? For me, you
vacated it. So, I think they're going to

have to stick with that. And so, most
likely, we'll probably be vacated, no?

They're going to strip him?

Yeah. I think based on what they've done
at 205, They've stripped him. And so

then you would have to have a title
fight that we have to build right now.

the problem is there's not a lot of guys
that anybody's clamoring to see fight

for the title. I think if there were
more guys, they probably would have

stripped him immediately.

But the fact is it's kind of in flux
anyway.

We've got to get a bunch of these new
guys. Yeah, you've got to have these

fight each other.

So you would think an interim belt is
the way to go? No, I think an interim

is the way not to go. I think you just
let them keep it until these guys work

themselves out.

And then let's see the timeline on
Carlos coming back.

But I think by putting an interim title,
you just kind of... Still more of a

mess. Still more of a mess. You can set
up some... Number one contender matches.

For sure. Just make a bunch. Just get a
bunch of contenders.

Let these new guys get in there.

Match them up with the old guard and see
what happens. Cream rice.

Or even Dominic Reyes versus Paul
Carter. Something like what they did

Hogan. They just let him fight Curtis
Blaze.

Maybe he shouldn't have been at his
fourth fight, but it happened. I think

got to do it with a lot of heavyweights.

Who do we got?

Who's that light heavyweight? We got to
find somebody.

We're looking at them right now.

We got to find someone outside the top
ten.

Oh, my gosh. This is crazy. All right,
guys. Time to roll back on this day in

history.

Jorge Masvidal made his UFC debut.

Yeah. And Tim Means.

Tim Means is a dirty bird.

He was three, I think, at 155. Yeah,
look at this. How did you end up with

in your UFC debut?

And I was mad about it because I was the
number one contender coming from

Strikeforce, so I thought I'm going to
get a top five, top ten guy.

And I got Tim Means, which wasn't top
ten, but he was one of them.

freaking most awkward dudes out there,
like 6 '3", something like that,

southpaw, spinning elbows and knees.

I mean, this is one of the few fights
that I chose to use in my wrestling. I

like, you know what, man?

I don't like this tricky guy. I'm going
to take him down and just smother him.

See, that's when you had a haircut. You
look like a third Pettis brother.

Yeah, everybody does. Yeah,

I had to wrestle too. That's my game
plan, though. Yeah, because he seems

pain in the ass.

He's crafty on the feet, man.

He had spinning elbows and spinning back
kicks that I just never liked, you

know, since I saw his highlights. I was
like, I'm going to take this guy down.

Brought him up.

Good fight. Chris, what was your UFC
debut like? That's hard to do that.

My UFC debut was two -and -a -half -week
notice against Alessio Sacara.

Oh, teaming about.

I was 4 -0.

Oh, was he training with American Top
Team? Oh, yeah.

He's still there. The Young Center.

Louisville, Kentucky.

Louisville, Kentucky, KFC Yum Center.

Yum Center.

Yo, look at you.

Oh, my goodness.

Bro,

you know, when you get into the UFC, you
want to look good.

And this is what I look like. I had a
fractured rib.

I had a fractured rib. I was out of
shape. And it was my opportunity.

like, we'll guarantee you two fights.
And I just watched Alessio Sacar.

Like they had some highlights of him. He
was on three fight win streak with

knockouts and he had nasty hands and he
was a black ball in jujitsu. So for me,

it was like, Oh, this is, he's the most
well -rounded guy ever won again. I

fought good guys on the local shows. I
fought by a hole.

and some of the tough dudes, but not
someone with the experience of Lester

Sakaar. So it was a lot of pressure.

I thought I had to get a takedown, and I
went for a takedown. I almost fell over

my own feet. It was so ugly.

And then I was like, damn it. I just got
to see what this guy got. I remember

just standing there like, all right, let
him come. I just ate a couple, and I'm

like, oh, I'm good. And then I took
over.

He's still out there boxing.

He's still doing his thing.

BKFC champion. Yeah, man. Is he really?
Yeah.

He had some hands, man. He had some
hands.

He had good combos.

He still moves really well, man. I've
seen him in the gym hitting mitts.

Yeah, like, in the pocket, I've seen him
go banging with guys in the pocket. Big

dude, no?

Like, yeah.

He fights heavyweight now. Nah.

He's a heavyweight. I think he... No,
he's not heavyweight right now. He was

heavyweight in Bellator or wherever he
went. He's 205, I think, right now.

maybe 205.

Dustin, who was your debut?

How'd that go?

Dude, I was fighting 155 in the WEC.

And when they started to merge, when the
UFC bought the WC and pulled the roster

in, Aldo had a title fight against Josh
Grisby.

Aldo hurt his neck, pulled out.

They called me short notice. Hey, could
you make 145 and fight the number one

guy? I think it was like a tune -up
fight for him, stay busy, fight for him.

But I said, yeah, I'll do it. Cut a
bunch of weight, made 145 for the first

time. It was New Year's Day, January 1,
2011.

At the MGM Grand, I fought Josh Grisby
was the number one contender.

That was two months right before mine.

Yeah, we were like debuting at the same
time. Yeah,

Frankie Edgar was the main event.
February of 2011, I think, or March.

Phil Barone fought on the card with me.
Wow, Phil Barone.

New York's finest.

The New York badass.

Yeah. Yeah, my debut was against BJ
Penn.

Oh, that's crazy.

You've been waiting for this moment. You
knew you had the best one.

That's the best story. No, but the
reality was, at the time, he had only

fight. He fought Dan Gilbert. That was
his only MMA fight.

Just one fight. He was just a jiu -jitsu
guy.

When BJ was in his prime, nobody could
tell me anything. I thought he was the

best fighter in the world. For sure. I
was convinced that too.

That knee?

Yeah.

I was convinced, too. I thought he was
the best fighter in the world. That's

I didn't feel so bad. I'm still kind of
convinced, bro. He had the best ground

control. Even with these guys. Crazy
Jitsu. If he took you down, forget it.

was game over. Take it back. Took you
out. His takedown defense was nasty.

power. His flexibility. His balance. His
Jitsu. His boxing.

Crazy power. The first GHP fight is
pretty close. You couldn't give it to

That's a big size.

Yeah. And he knew that dude was not, no
steroids ever in that guy's body.

Yeah. I mean, like in the dudes he had
to go against. He fought Liotta Machida,

bro. At heavyweight. At pride, right? At
heavyweight. Like that dude, he's a

true fighter.

Light heavyweight. Light heavyweight.
Was it light?

Liotta looked like a heavyweight,
though. He looked fat. He looked soft.

Yeah, so that was my first. But he came
in on. What was that like? Did you know?

Did you think of him as really good
already? He was a jujitsu guy. He had

the war. He was the first American to
win the world.

So I'm thinking he's just a jujitsu guy.

And so what I was supposed to originally
fight Genki Sudo. Oh, yeah. Not an easy

one. Yeah, not an easy one. So I was
preparing for Genki Sudo.

Three weeks prior, Genki gets hurt. They
bring in BJ and knowledge.

Easier fight.

Yeah. I think Mike Brown might have
fought Genki in the UFC. Yeah. He did.

did. Yeah.

Genki was good, man. Genki was good.
Really good and a showman. Yeah. Oh, my

goodness. That was a showman. He was the
man.

But it didn't work out for him. I'm glad
he didn't speak English because I know

it would have kicked ass. He would have
been a star. He had star power written

all over him.

Different time. Yeah.

Different time. Different time.

All right.

Daniel Rodriguez says he's fighting Leon
Edwards coming up, which is not what we

wanted to hear because we was hoping
you'd get the Leon Edwards fight.

I'm hoping I get one of these fights
where it's Conor and Leon that come back

for those fights. Daniel was fighting me
and my guy.

That's a real thing. We got to have you
arrest Daniel.

Oh, my God.

Daniel going back.

Lafayette jail this time. I don't know
what my jurisdiction is. It don't

Just get him anyway. Get him out of
there.

He's got to be doing something illegal.
Yeah, we need to get Jorge and that Leon

Edwards. I'm going to have to arrest
him, man.

I'm going to have to arrest him so he
can get the fight.

All right, as we bring this down.

Jorge was spotted in Miami with Yoel
Romero. We got pictures of this. I'd

to see what this looks like because I
haven't seen this yet. What does this

like? Another night and day account.

Yo, what's in the bag?

A little duffel action.

Yo, what's in the bag, Jorge?

I can't even say I was there.

Nah, we don't even see him. You don't
see him. I hope we don't see him. Oh,

Wait, what? Why is this shot like an FBI
video?

What are you doing, man? Because it was.
We were just chilling, and somebody

just caught us. It was like a drug deal.
It's a paparazzi. The paparazzi got

you? We were just chilling.

You know, Joe's fighting my next
promotion, May 1st. As you guys know, he

he needed the money, cash, and up front.
And Joe's the only guy in the world

that I beat. We've been through so much.
I'm like, all right, bro.

You should never pay a fighter first
because you know how fucking fighters

Hey, you got to drop my boy Hector a bag
off now too. But Hector didn't want

cash. He said he didn't want cash. He
said he wanted crypto coins. So that was

different. Really?

So that's what was in the bag?

I can't say or deny.

That's all I can say.

Somebody got to claim this money. That's
crazy.

I don't know. That looks like a big bag
of money. That's a nice bag.

You give up the bag too?

Allegedly. It was a lot of money in that
bag, but I don't even know, brother.

Yeah. Did he get the bag, too, or just
the money? That's a nice bag. A couple

thousand dollar bag, I bet.

That was a nice bag. That was a nice
bag. Part of the agreement.

Wow.

He only wants to get paid in cash. I
don't know why, man.

Cuban shit, bro.

Well, who doesn't want to get paid in
cash? I want to get paid in cash. Me,

Let's do cash.

I don't know.

Crypto. I guess if you're trying to buy
a car or something or buy a house, you

need some credit.

You need proof of income. Yeah, you need
proof of income. True, true, true.

All right. Well, we were supposed to
play a game of two truths and a lie.

Anybody have two truths and a lie?

Hold on, hold on. I'm a decent skier.

I'm a phenomenal cook, and I'm broke as
fuck.

You're phenomenal.

We have to say the lie?

Yeah, so we got to figure out what the
lie was.

Wait, do it one more time.

I'm a decent skier. Okay. Decent.

Phenomenal cook.

And I'm broke as fuck.

He actually does go snowboarding and
stuff.

Oh, so he's a terrible... The chef is
the lie. You're not an amazing chef.

guy's banking on you being broke.

Oh, damn it.

This guy's banking on you being broke.
No, no, no. Two truths and one lie. So I

picked the one lie. So him being
broke... Him being broke... Oh, that is

Oh, what am I thinking?

I got it messed up.

You're right.

I know you're not broke, so I see what
you pulled up in. Chris, you got one.

Yeah.

My first date with my wife, she was in
the shower, and I had a diarrhea attack,

and I crapped in her garbage can.

That's pretty specific. Whoa.

Wait, what?

I was in the movie Here Comes the Boom.

And then three.

When I was in first grade, I got my
penis caught in my zipper in school, and

they had to call the paramedics, and I
got escorted out. I had to go to the

hospital for them to perform a surgery.

Circumcise yourself.

That's crazy.

I'm going to go with.

What's going on, Dean? What do you got?
I think the penis story is a lie.

Okay.

I'm not going to tell you what yet.

Well, can you say the first one one more
time?

On my first date with my wife, I had a
diarrhea attack, and I crapped in her

garbage can in her room.

That's definitely a lie. In your first
what? First date. First date.

Yeah.

I was picking her up. They don't say
that one.

That's a lie.

The shit is. You guys are all wrong. I
wasn't in Kevin James' movie, Here Comes

the Boom.

Stop. Yeah, bro.

So the garbage can thing, I was at her
house, and when I got to go, I got to

And she was in the shower getting ready,
and it hit me. I was in her room. I

started sweating.

I'm like, and there was only one
bathroom in the house. It was right

was in it. So I knock on the door. She
was like, what?

You know, she yelled, and I'm like.

I just started panicking. Wait a minute.
This is date one?

This is date one. I was taking her to
the movies for the first time. So you

had never hung out? No, I hung out with
her because I knew her brother. So the

parents knew me. So I was allowed in the
house. It was like dumb and dumber? But

this is the first time you're like
hanging out, hanging out.

Yes. First time actually going on a real
like date. I'm going to take her to a

movie. So then, bro, I just, I started
panicking. I was like, oh my God, I got

to go. And there was a little office
garbage can. So I just ran up to it. I

my underwear off and I just.

Filled that whole thing up. It was so
bad, bro. It dripped on the floor.

Dripped on the floor. Diarrhea. I take
my sock off. I throw it on the poop on

the floor because there's two spots. I
grabbed it and I took the bag out,

brought it to the garbage can on the
street, ran back into the house. And

she came out and she smelled, you know,
diarrhea in the house. She's like, did

you? She looked at the garbage can.
She's like, did you just take a shit in

garbage can? I'm like, yeah.

And then I got my penis caught in my
zipper for real.

You know, it was a problem. My brother
told everybody they amputated my penis.

Until I was like in seventh grade,
everyone thought I had no penis.

So I had to start whipping it out all
the time once I felt, you know.

I really thought you were in that movie,
dude. No, I know.

I thought that would be a good one
because you would think that, but no. I

thought you were in that movie.
Goodness. I thought it was good.

100 % you got me.

Yeah.

Dustin, you got anything?

Not really, man.

It is hard. Two truths and a lie.

Two truths and a lie.

I bit somebody in a UFC fight.

Damn,

bro. I don't know.

I'm a good cook.

He's stealing Jorge's.

We have to have a cookout, man. Two
truths and one lie. One lie, two truths,

more.

I can play the guitar.

Well, he can play the guitar.

That's a false? False.

Yeah, the lie.

Uh, yeah, he can't play the guitar. I'm
going false on the guitar, too.

Yeah, all right, you go.

I can't play the guitar.

Who was it that put his fingers in your
mouth?

Chandler. Chandler.

I would have done the same shit.

I would have done the same shit.

I've been officially off.

bite your fucking finger. Then we shot a
movie in the UK and I told him, I said,

hey, when I bit you, man, you lucky I
had the mouth guard in because if my top

teeth weren't covered, I would have bit
his fingers off.

You went down as hard as you could. I
went down as hard as I could. You were

trying to break right through that
finger. I mean, what did he say when you

him? I felt the bone. Nothing. I asked
him if it hurt.

He said, you know how it is when you're
in a fight.

No,

he said he knew I was biting him, but he
didn't.

He would have actually bit off his
finger. That would have been the most

gangster thing of all time.

He would have stole Tyson's glory.

This was different, though, because he
committed the foul. No, I know.

You almost could get away with it. I bit
him hard, man. Yeah, I would have done

the same thing. I mean, as hard as I
could with a mouth guard.

Oh, my goodness.

Insane. All right.

I don't know if anybody like
intentionally found me that I think like

something like that. And you're like,
this dude's fishhooking me. Yeah. Yeah.

And fishhooking is a classic, dude. Like
prehistoric, dude. That's so

disrespectful. And it was over the top.
He was like grabbing my top, my mouth

guard and my teeth on the top, you know?
His hand was in my mouth between my

teeth, so I just bit down. That's what
like all the brothers do.

Evil old brothers do to little brothers.

That sucks.

Give you a noogie. Here goes mine. All
right. So I grew up.

Cutting hair as a barber.

Okay. True. One.

I once hit a deer on my way to training.

Two. You couldn't come up with that. And
three.

I once shaved my eyebrows off because I
lost a bet.

You didn't hit a deer.

You definitely cut hair.

And you probably shaved your eyebrows.

That's where I'm going to truth.

I mean, he goes to cold places. In
Florida, you can run deer. So I can see

running into deer. And then you train
Woodley for a while over there. I think

there's a lot of wildlife over there.

The eyebrow one's a good one, if you're
lying about it. But I can see Dean doing

the eyebrow thing, too. Yeah.

You made it tough, man. Yeah, these are
good. These are good.

Hmm.

I'm going to say the deer.

I never shaved my eyebrows off.

Good for you. I did color them blonde
though once, but I never shaved them.

Really? I did hit a deer on my way to
training though.

Total your car.

Total my car.

What state?

Florida. Total my car. I hit a deer in a
rental car once. Did you? On my way to

New Orleans.

How much did they charge you for that?

It messed up the wheel like the wheel
well was rubbing on the tire.

There was blood all over the car because
the car in front of me hit it. So it

was like spinning.

Then I hit it. I think my wife was with
me. I had to pull over to the gas

station. There was blood all over the
car. The wheel was rubbing.

I just returned it.

Nothing ever happened. My problem. You
had the renter's insurance?

Probably. Yeah.

On the day you were playing, that
happens. That sucks. I never did that.

didn't total the car, but it messed up
the wheel.

Yeah, man. When I hit the deer, the tow
truck driver was like, yo, what y 'all

going to do with the deer? He took it
and ate it. I ate it, yeah. I took it

ate it, yeah.

What you going to do with the deer?

Yo, can I guess?

What y 'all going to do with the deer?

It's yours, bro.

All right. We got some chat questions.

We're going to go to the chat now. So if
you put in a question, hopefully we can

get to that. So what do we got?

Let's go.

OG Smoke.

271. Happy 420.

Some people never forgot.

Yeah.

Lazy bed MMA, didn't got them bubblegum
chucks on.

He's fixing to walk his way. The candy
store, that's hysterical. You know how I

do, yeah.

Bro, Wyman, what the hell?

He's probably my story.

Oh, yeah, that's wild. That's wild.

I wouldn't have said that one. I don't
know why you even told anybody that one.

You just got to, like, when you have
trauma, you just got to talk about it.

We all got trauma now. I know.

And she still married you.

That's game right there.

Trauma bonding on the first date is a
good strategy. I was like, are you with

or not? And she was like, I'm with it.
I'm with it.

You want to go to the movies or not? My
underwear is stained in the garbage can.

What movie did you watch?

I actually don't remember. I have no
idea.

Maybe A Walk to Remember.

Actually, yeah.

Remember that? A Walk to Remember? You
bought popcorn and all of that?

I doubt, bro. I was so broke.

He snuck candy in. Oh, my gosh.

There's one way.

I had a Pontiac Sunbird, like a 1980
-something, like low 80s, and the color

rust. And I only had AM radio.

So what I would do is I had the radio. I
had a Disney, like a shower radio.

I would hang on the rear view mirror,
and I would just hang it there with the

mirror and everything, and I would put
on FM. Radio Disney is what I would

listen to.

Yeah, it's tough times.

Tough times. All right, from

BahioVSapien4609, his top five list, one

Ilya, two Islam, three Hamzat, four
Arman, five Poetan. That's his top five

stars. Man, put Arman number four.

And then we got at AliGirl0311, Islam
number one,

Teporia two, three Strickland.

For Poetan, five.

Armin. None of us had Armin. That's
crazy. Armin's getting in all these.

the streamers. Everybody's watching the
streamers. So he's blowing up. At

CXPZZZ, one. Ilya, two. Alex, three.
Max, four. Sean, five.

Patty.

Hokit will be up in there.

Oh, yeah. I think so, too. I don't think
we're going to deny that one.

Hokit keeps it up.

That's a good bet, bro.

Same person at TXPZZZ. He did another
one. He did another one with a different

list. Matt, Holloway, Ilya, Islam, Alex,
and Connor.

Okay.

I'll take it.

Stressed Pitbull, 10 -21, MVP versus
Malat on the prelims.

I think MVP might be too much for Malat.

It's a tough style, man.

MVP styles are so tough for anybody to
deal with.

Yeah, I don't know. Look what he did up
at 85.

He went up there and took out Cannoneer.

Who else did he take out? Shara Bullitt.

Shara Bullitt, who's like, he's almost
another version of him. I know.

Yeah, he's tough to match. He's tough to
match for that reason. People hate his

last fight, but he's a problem.

All right, at tbads412, do we really
think Conor could make 155 ever again?

Listen, man, I see all this stuff
online, people saying how big Conor is,

even when I post something, how big I
am. But until you see the person, In the

person, in the flesh, it's hard to tell.
I know how big Conor is usually. His

frame is solid, but he's not like a huge
guy. So even though he looks muscular,

you know, looks muscled up, he might not
be that much. You know, 185, he might

look like that. It's tough to say by
pictures.

I think he can make 155.

As if he wants to, right? But it's a
matter – to me, I think it's a matter of

does he want to.

I think he's better off down.

I think he's – I think it's better for
him to go down. I think he fights a 55er

and just tells them to move up and just
fight at 170. That's exactly it. So he

doesn't have to cut the weight. He still
fights a 55er, still keeps his name in

the lightweight conversation.

Some of these welterweights are huge.
That's what he did with Nate, too. But

he's not fighting a real welter. He'll
fight a lightweight at welterweight.

He'll fight a lightweight at
welterweight. That's what I think will

That'd make more sense.

Yeah. Yeah, I can't imagine him cutting
the 55 or fighting a true welterweight

or a true middleweight.

you know, what do I think?

All right. At Murillo one, nine, one. If
Dustin could arrest anyone.

Damn. My list is long.

My list is long, man.

Oh man, this is a tough one. I probably
arrest Justin for kicking me in the

head.

That's it.

Justin.

Justin, they'll get you.

All right, Dylan, word. And, Dustin,
when are you going to do a boxing match?

Man, I still have fights left on my
contract with the UFC. I'm stuck in

purgatory, so I can't go out and do
nothing.

And I don't even know if I could. I
don't even know if I would.

But boxing is something I always wanted
to do. I mean, you may be able to parlay

that into a Zufa boxing match. Bro, I've
been down this road before.

Yeah? Yeah, they don't want any
crossover.

No crossover, huh?

Mm -mm.

So interesting. Weird. They want to be
taken serious. Plus, if you let one guy

do it, every guy and girl on the roster
is going to try to do this. That's true.

Makes sense.

Telvin, Key, Papa, who would win? Prime
BJ or Ilya Teporya?

That's one for the books right there.

I mean, BJ is one of the biggest freaks
I've seen ever. So is Ilya.

It's a different game, too. I know.

It's a different game now.

That's like saying LeBron versus Michael
Jordan.

It's tough to say it's different.

Yeah,

that's what I would say too. Mike takes
him to the fucking.

Because he's tougher. He's way tougher
mentally.

Who's tougher, BJ or Ilya Teporia?

It's hard to say somebody's not tougher
than BJ.

Or that Justin Ava 1675 -ass George
about Sarukian at the gym and Teporia at

gym. He's seen them both.

I've seen them both, and both are above
average athletes.

That's the first thing you're going to
see right away, like above average

explosiveness, reflexes.

Cardio is great, too, for an explosive
style like that. They're both

But one thing I noticed from Ilya early
on when he was at 45 was his power.

was just like he'd hit me like in the
arm and i'll be like holy smokes he

like a 170 pounder when he was at 45 so
i just knew this guy could produce like

energy you know and wrestling with him
too he had good great technique but

power just like bam double leg the guy
right to the mat you know same thing

arm and where he's crazy fast i didn't i
didn't with the hands i didn't feel he

had the same power as uh ilia but the
speed and His kicking, his wrestling was

also next level. Both of them are just
some of the better athletes. Yeah, I

think Taroukian's got underrated
kicking.

He's super flexible.

Yeah, he gets flexible.

He gets that leg up there, the little
axe kick. Good reflexes. Both of them

superb reflexes. Did he kick or, Benil,
it was a knee.

I think it was a knee. Yeah, it was a
knee.

Yeah,

he's got good kicks.

He threw that axe kick on Charles?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't see people
doing that.

Underrated kicker. Yeah. And that helps
his takedowns, too, because from that

long range, he can disguise things. Get
their hands up. Yeah, get closer without

taking punches in that range.

Well, gentlemen, I think we had a—
Dustin versus Nate Diaz, Zupa boxing.

Let's go, Dana. Yeah.

Let's go. I would love that. Nate don't
want that.

Yeah, he don't want to knock his ass.
Yeah.

I think so, too.

Oh, so there it goes. At IcyGrapes6783,
Dustin versus Nate in Zufa Boxing. I'll

sign the contract right here on air.
Yeah.

But there's a lot of problems with that
happening. Like you just said, they

don't want to cross over.

But if we could ever have that, that
would be one for the books.

I'm in. Well, gentlemen.

It's always a pleasure. I think we had a
great show. Great job. I hope you guys

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Ladies and gentlemen, that's a wrap for
us. For Dean Thomas, Chris Weidman,

Dustin Poirier, Jorge Masvidal, we are
out.

Peace. This is Deep Waters.