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And we are live.

And I must be dreaming. I can't believe
it. I get a chance to talk fights with

some of my favorite people in the world.
And we're not just talking fights.

We are going deep. This is deep waters
fueled by monster energy. And we're

deep with a legendary crew. We got my
man, former middleweight champion, Chris

Weidman, former interim lightweight
champion.

Dustin Poirier and the former and the
original BMF champion, Jorge

Maldonado. Now, guys, all show, we will
monitor the YouTube chat.

And so, please, don't be afraid. Don't
be bashful. Chime in. In fact, we

have some. So let's check the chat right
now. What do we got?

Let's see if we got some.

Let's see the trash talk.

Okay, so TFL Prod says, I'm excited for
this, guys. We got some fans out there

ready to get this up.

Wildman420 says, let's go for the
diamond.

Let's go.

Yeah, here we go.

Why did they put that up? Weidman is a
goon.

AN5, no thanks.

Weidman is a goon. Do you want to
explain yourself? Is goon, is that a

compliment? I don't know what a goon is,
but I have a feeling it's not a nice

thing. Is it a nice thing?

Depends where you're at. Not really a
nice thing.

I mean, it is. Does that mean I'm a
nerd?

No, I'm quite the opposite.

What is it? Like good looking? Street
dude, you know? I am hood. I am hood.

sure. Jorge blessed me with that. He
said, why I'm in the street?

Well, I feel like in this entire panel,
we're all kind of goons. I mean, the

mean streets of Port St. Lucie? Come on.

Lafayette, baby!

Yeah. Don't get it twisted, man. From
all different walks of life, we're all

goons. 100%. Well, let's get right into
the show. So UFC 327 took place down in

Miami. It was a fantastic show. Let's
start at the top.

Yuri Prohoshka fumbles the bag.

Carlos, and I don't want to put it that
way. So Carlos Olberg.

Grabs the bag.

Injured man wins the light heavyweight
championship of the world. Knocked out

Yuri Prohaska.

Thoughts, Jorge, I'll come to you first.

Dude, that was crazy, right? For sure. I
saw it like three times, and I've seen

Jerry going through the emotions.
There's a time that Oberg throws a high

and when he throws it, he lands. And
Jerry's telling himself, at least it

to me, that he's like, yeah, he fucked
up his leg. Fuck. And it feels like he

wanted him at his best.

It didn't happen, but you still can't
take your foot off the gas, man.

Yeah, at one point he, like, pointed
down. He started pointing down like he

going to do the Max Holloway. Yeah, but
as soon as he engaged, he started

running backwards. Yeah. Yeah, 100 %
because, I mean, Carlos hits hard.

But I will say, like, he stopped leg
kicking. Like, all of us, if you know

got a guy with an injured leg and the
calf kicks were working so good already,

he was falling over and over again.

Just stick with those cast kicks. He put
himself into range against the guy who

got the only punch I think he had left
because his right leg was injured was

check left hook, which is his best
punch.

Boom. I don't know if you noticed, Yuri.
Oh, my gosh.

Yuri has a bad habit of keeping his
right hand down because Pereira got him

the left hook. You know, that right hand
when he lunges forward. The left high

kick as well.

High kick? Yeah, his right hand is down
a lot, especially when he's, like, being

aggressive. You know, so it must have
been a weird, like, confusing time for

because a part of him doesn't want to
win like that. But he also feels like, I

have to get a finish. This guy can
hardly walk. So then, like, you know you

to be careful coming inside the pocket
against a guy like Carlos Holberg

look what he just did that with Dominic
Reyes. Dominic Reyes kind of hesitated.

He slid back as he was coming in and
just put him down.

And he felt like, you know, he had to
just.

It should be an easy fight. I'm supposed
to just win this. He put himself in

that pocket and, man, liked that. Yeah,
I think Carlos' hands were a lot faster

than I expected them to be. Who did you
pick going into the fight? I picked Uri.

I picked Ober.

I thought Uri, too. No way. All of y
'all picked Uri? I picked Uri. But Ober

just a little more disciplined, I feel.

With the hands, just as good as an
athlete or better, but he's a little bit

tighter, a little bit more.

I thought the unpredictability of Yuri
was going to give him problems because

you never know. You can't train for
that. He doesn't know what he's going to

I think if you thought about it, when I
started getting close to the fight, I'm

like, Carlos might be the worst matchup
for Yuri because he's very tall, he's

long, and he's so good at sliding out of
range, getting you to try to get into

the pocket and then making you pay
there. And he's got way heavier hands

people give him credit for. And Yuri's
thing is to try to get it. his head

inside the pocket, rely on his eyes to
barely slip out of the way of a punch

then come out hard with his punches
where he finishes. And as of recently,

been doing that. Like, Uri's defense has
improved.

Like, when you look at his recent fights
against, you know, Khalil Roundtree and

Jamal Hill, like, he's flipping punches
while he's throwing. I thought he'd be

able to get inside and do that against
Carlos and apparently not. Yeah. And

also, the longer that fight went, I
thought it was going to help.

be a benefit for Yuri because he's been
in those big fights before. He's fought

for the title now. That was his fourth
time fighting for the title, five

So he's had that experience.

And Carlos, man, that moment could get
you, your first title fight, and you're

going against a guy as unorthodox and as
dangerous as Yuri. I thought that could

have been too much for him. So Carlos
hurts his leg.

I don't really know what happened. He
hurts his leg.

But he showed a different

level, a different side of him that we
haven't seen from him. Like he showed,

like it didn't distract him because most
people might have quit. Most people

would have just been like, look at my
leg. I need to get out of here. But he

showed a different side that we hadn't
seen from him. And that was with the

championship mentality that he has.
Yeah. I got to be honest. That's a good

point because I remember when I broke my
leg in half.

I should have kept that Carlos mindset.

You should have kept going. I should
have been correct. You should have kept

going, yeah. With the bones hanging out.
I should have kicked his ass, though. I

was there. You were there like a
nunchuck. I was not.

Like a nunchuck.

It was like a sword.

Yeah, bro.

But I think one of the bigger storylines
is Uri has spoken out and said that he

showed mercy.

Bro. Come on. I got to.

This is.

I don't think so.

To me, it looked like he was playing
with his food. It looked like he knew he

was hurt. He was trying to set up a big
finish.

That's what I thought.

I don't think it was mercy, man. I think
there was a moment of – I thought he

had like a moment of mercy, but then it
was like I got to finish this dude.

And Carlos was just too much. He kept
his focus and Yuri didn't. All right, so

want to hear when Yuri talks about this.
I want to see when he talks about this.

We got plays. We got plays. We got
videos. Thank you all for support.

Just checking the jaw.

here in hospital and uh big apologies
for my performance

tonight still can't understand this this

my stupid mercy in the fight and that
cost me

this fight so

I would like to fight the rematch. All
right.

I feel for the guy. You got to feel. I
mean, I feel for him, too. You guys seen

the movie Troy? Oh, yeah. When the guy
falls and he's like, I'm not going to

a pebble take away my grace, you know,
whatever.

And that's kind of, I think, how Jerry
feels. He saw this like, this is not how

I wanted to win the title. In that split
second of that.

Do you really think he felt a little
mercy? Not mercy, but just like.

From what I saw, when Carlos throws that
high kick and he falls and he's like,

oh, yeah, his leg is messed up. I wanted
him at his best. I think he was saying

not necessarily maybe mercy, but just
like, fuck, I didn't want it down to go

like this. And he already thought at
that moment, I think he's like, oh, I

this in the bag. Because I didn't see
that. What I saw was a guy who saw a

wounded man in front of him, and he was
still kicking at the legs. And when he

wasn't kicking at the legs, he was.

Trying to point down to say, let's just
stay in the pocket and trade.

To me, that sounds like he was ready. He
did no mercy. But he was giving him a

chance. Giving him a chance.

He's not going to be working footwork
anymore. That's out the window. That's

respectable.

Let's point down. Let's give you your
only shot.

Get back out of there quick, though. He
ran straight back. Yeah, he got out of

there. I thought he was trying to set up
a big finish. Like, this guy's hurt.

lure him into something, hit him with
the elbow, something crazy. I love

the cat. I would have just kept kicking
the cat. One thing you can't deny,

though, is that there was definitely a
lack of focus in Uri at that point. His

game plan went out the window of working
his way in smart into the pocket to

land the shots.

he bailed on that completely. He just
put himself right in there, into that

check hook, you know, which if he wasn't
hurt, we wouldn't have seen that, you

know. Think about it. If he just used
footwork and just kept kicking the calf

whatever he wanted to do, he'd go back
to the right. But you go back to the

corner, they're probably stopping the
fight, right, because he could hardly

walk, you know. Yeah, I think so.

And I had to take with Chael on the road
with Chael. We do the show after.

And, yeah, when I, yeah, when I, so.

After the fight, I'm sitting there
thinking, is Uri a choke artist?

Now, it's a bit unfair to say he's a
choke artist. We're talking about a guy

who's got so many big wins. So he may
not be a choke artist, but did he choke

this moment?

Yes. I mean, I think he choked in this
moment. That's why I think it's killing

him right now when you see him in that
hospital.

he knows that fight was, it was his
fight to win. It was in the bag. Yeah,

was his bag to fumble. And we talked
about this on the death show too, pre

-show, is one of the biggest things for
Carlos to do is calf kick and Yuri.

because Uri's been hurt a bunch with
calf kicks. He has a hard time defending

that. And to see that Uri started
hurting him with calf kicks early, you

and I don't know what ultimately ended
to his ACL tear or LCL, whatever

in his knee tore, but it could have been
the calf kicks. You know, it could have

been just that damage. It looked like
when he went and sat down on the right

hand, you could see it explode, but it
might have been just the culmination of

those calf kicks adding up and
something, you know, some issue going on

knee. So what happens with Carlos now?
That happened too with Anderson Silva,

remember, when he was defending the belt
against the Canadian guy, flipping his

name right now. Patrick Cote?

Was it Patrick Cote had the same injury,
right? He pulled back and something

happened to his knee. Patrick Cote,
yeah, yeah.

All right, so Carlos Oberg, obviously
something's wrong with his leg. We don't

know yet.

But in the future, who are his better
contenders? I think it's most likely

Yeah. and it's going to require surgery,
and you know it's going to be six

months, seven months before he's even
back on the mat.

So what does the UFC do for the light
heavyweight division?

Is there an interim belt?

Because it's been crazy ever since John
left and then Pereira moved up.

Who's the next contender?

Yeah, it might be a year until he's
back. So, like, we kind of almost have

get them out.

Eliminate him from the conversation.
Yeah, I think he's kind of out.

So I think we have, like, Ankaliev is in
there, Jan Blachowicz.

So you make an interim ballot?

I think you have to do an interim, or I
don't know how the UFC does it. They

strip them of it. I mean, but think
about that. Like, they just, like, if

moves up, they have a vacant belt. Now
the guy wins it, now they make an

belt. Well, what happened with Uri? Uri,
he had an injury, and he had to give up

the belt. He actually had to give up the
belt. He had a shoulder injury, right?

Right. So did he vacate? He vacated the
belt. Then Jamal Hill won the belt, and

then he got injured. He tore his
Achilles playing basketball. I was at

too. Jamal Hill could hoop, by the way.
But, yeah, but he tore his Achilles.

Even when he's big.

I saw him Saturday. He's big. He's big
right now.

So you think they just find a new crop
of guys to start working on? The thing

is, everybody who's right at that level
to fight for the belt or interim belt

has just recently fought for it. I know.

And the big names, like Pereira was the
big name at 205.

And I don't really know, like Ankalayev
isn't the big name.

Jan Blachowicz, you know, he's just
older.

You know, he's like 42 years old. You
know, does the UFC give him another

So who do you have? You had that dude
Azamat Merzakhanov who just fought and

lost to Paul Costa. He was ranked sixth.
You got a speed rocket Paul Acosta in

the mix. That's what I say. That's my
thing right there. Put Paul Acosta right

in the mix.

Right now, because he's already got the
name, even at middleweight, but he just

beat a guy who they were trying to push.
I think they was putting Azamat on this

card to kind of showcase him to maybe
fight for the title. And then he gets

knocked out by Paulo Costa.

You got to inject Paulo Costa. Bro, I
got to give Paulo Costa a try, though.

Every fight, I think, is a tough one for
him. It's a tough one for him for sure.

You know, this dude was ranked 14th at
middleweight.

He goes up. Now he's in the top five of
the division probably. And we're talking

about him getting rushed right into a
title fight. It's kind of crazy.

And I think the reason why he was 14th
ranked is because he's been so inactive.

He doesn't really.

Fight that off.

But anyway, let's talk good about him.
In this fight, I thought he looked

amazing. Yeah. Because Merzikhanov, his
power in his left hand is insane. So

Polo started off the fight really using
his footwork, staying at bay, staying

away from the power.

And then as the fight, you know, and
landing heavy body kicks, heavy leg

heavy high kicks, and shut down the left
hand of Merzikhanov. And then next

thing you know, you got to see the best
vintage Polo Katsu we've seen where he

walks forward and tries to get the
finish. It was awesome. Bro, nobody gets

headlocked anymore.

And, like, the women's division.

A lot of free back picks when they
headlock.

Headlock throw.

I was like, nobody gets headlocked, and
then he gets headlocked. Dude, I like

Secret Juice at 205.

There's a bunch of fun fights for him,
and I know for sure from experience,

going up a weight class, his quality of
life, training camp, fight week is much

more enjoyable.

And he's older, you know. He's older. As
we get older, he can't get weight the

same. He's big.

And he wasn't, like, when you talked to
him on the post -fight show, he wasn't

into, like, he didn't want to commit to
205. I'm like, bro, you're a 205

pounder. You just be the number six guy.
You're ranked 14th.

He didn't want to commit now? After just
doing that? He didn't want to commit.

What happened to him and Jerry? I think
he will, but. That's a fun one. Who was

that? Him and Jerry?

There's a massive difference in size,
though.

I know Yuri did look pretty small, like
up in there against, even in his last

fight. No, but he thinks Polo's a little
smaller than Yuri. You think Polo's

smaller than Yuri?

Yuri actually talked about going down to
85. I agree. When you look at Yuri's

structure, he's still Polo.

Dominic Reyes and Goliath, all these
guys are considerably smaller. I don't

if it makes sense, but if I was
matchmaker, I think Polo and Khalil

a fun fight.

That's a banger.

No, not for the title. Not yet.

I say you do that fight as a title

eliminator.

Yeah. And then what happens with the
belt right now?

You just let it chill.

Yeah, but what if he's out for a year?

I mean, but still, there's still so much
movement that needs to happen anyway.

You know, it's not like there's this
clear -cut guy who needs to fight for it

right now anyway. So might as well just
let them keep it until they kind of

figure all that stuff out. So you do,
like, Uncle Ive versus John. Need some

blood at 205, though. Need some new
blood at 205.

Yeah, 100%. And it looks like Carlos, I
mean, Paulo Costa might be that new

blood. Yep.

Speaking of new blood, Josh Hokett. Oh,
man.

Josh Hokit. Speaking of new blood, Josh
Hokit. I mean, he owned the entire week

in Miami.

He's probably the hottest thing out
right now in MMA.

He's, you know, he had the great fight
against Curtis Blade.

So let's talk about that fight. So first
off, did you guys expect that

performance from either guy?

Hell no. That performance, I don't think
anybody could ever expect that. That

was one of the greatest fights I've ever
seen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but

usually when you talk like that, you
don't fight like that. He's so in

Now I'm looking at everything in
reverse. I thought maybe he was nervous

moment. He was just this weird. He's
just so in control that he could get

reactions out of anybody, even me. I'm
not the easiest to get reactions off.

dude.

This guy loves it. I'm sold.

And then he goes out there and fights
like that. It just usually doesn't go

in hand.

I've been back and forth on him, man.
Like when he first two fights in the

like at the apex, he was a little bit
more quiet, got the win. Then he jumped

the mic and got into character. And I
thought it was fun. But then this fight

week. I was like, it's too much. He's
got five different characters he's

to pretend to be.

So I kind of got off the bandwagon. But
then he fights like that. I'm back on

the bandwagon. So I'm back and forth
with him. I want to see him fight.

Like pre -fight, I was unsure too on my
band. This guy's got multiple

personalities, and it's like too much.
The gimmick is like. And it's only his

third fight. It's only his third fight
in the UFC.

Third fight in the UFC. He's going
against the number five ranked dude,

Blades. Which is maybe the worst matchup
for him. Worst matchup. He's got the

most takedowns in the history of the
heavyweight division. Top time, I think.

Yeah.

And he's fought the who's who of the
heavyweight division.

Here's a fun fact. When Curtis Blades
was fighting Francis Ngannou, that was a

year before.

Hokit made his mixed martial arts debut.

So that's how quick this guy has moved
up the ranks and made a name for himself

by fighting this way, but also by the
character he's playing. It makes you

to watch. Whether he's going to win or
lose, you're tuning in to see. I have

friends hitting me up that don't watch
MMA asking me about this dude, Josh

Hokit, before the fight happened. Like,
yo, what's your take on this dude? You

think he's good and all that? I'm like,
I don't know. But when you have dudes

who don't really watch MMA talking about
him, I think after this fight, he might

be the biggest star in the UFC.

It's working because I just worked for
Paramount for the fights on Saturday,

I've spoke more about this guy than
anyone on the whole card. So from a

perspective, this is why I like him
because I know.

athletes are never the same on fight
night everybody's really good in the gym

they're never the same on fight night
they let the pressure get to them they

the nerves get to them and some guys are
afraid to even open up and talk trash

because the pressure and they don't want
to have to live up live up to it now

we're talking about a guy who spent an
entire week with the cringiest three

of all time all each one of them
individually was as cringy as the other

right

And he was able to, despite that, live
up to that and give a performance like

that. To me, that is remarkable. The
level of comfort that this guy has

the cage.

It's remarkable to me. I agree.

You put so much pressure on yourself
when you start bringing all that

to you because, oh, my God, what if I go
in there and I get knocked out?

It's extra embarrassing after doing all
that talking. There's very few guys that

we have seen who could talk the talk and
then actually walk the walk.

And when he went out there in that first
round, he almost finished Curtis

Blades. Credit to Curtis Blades. But in
that first round, almost finished him.

I'm like, damn, this dude is actually
doing what he's – what we would want him

to do, you know? Yeah, the Pee Wee
Herman cringe and just like – Pee Wee

Yeah,

and you got to give Curtis his props. I
was just about to say that. You can't

talk about Josh without Curtis. You
can't have one without the other. He was

joker to the Batman. I think he's got a
broken orbital bone. He's got something

with his jaw. Broke his nose as well.
Broke his nose. And that was first round

he broke his nose. So, you know, his
cardio was good. These guys were well

prepared. Yeah, I wonder what was
keeping Curtis in there. Like he –

mean, obviously – He just couldn't
believe it. There's no way.

There's no way. I think that's what it
was. He's going to get tired now.

He hadn't have been thinking that. He
hadn't have been thinking there's no way

that this guy should be hanging with me,
so I can't give up now.

You know, I also felt like, you know, we
were talking about all the pressure on

Josh Hoka going in there with all the
trash talk and, you know, his bits that

was doing. But I think the pressure
probably got on Curtis Blades being

and just trying to focus on his job.

Because in that first round, it looked
like he was kind of a deer in

He was getting hit with shots, and he
wasn't even moving his head. He's like,

how am I being hit with this? He just
hit him. Yeah. He just jumped on him

away. There's a lot of pressure when you
talk the way.

Hoker was talking all fight week and
you've got to go perform. But there's a

of pressure on the other side. When
you're supposed to beat this new guy,

been the guy who's been there and done
that. You're supposed to make this guy

look like he's levels below you. So
that's a lot of pressure as well.

You know what it was like, bro. You went
against Conor McGregor three times.

So there's nobody who talks better and
trash talks as much as Conor McGregor.

Pressure -wise going into those fights,
how was that? Can you relate to how

Curtis Blades felt?

Conor's different because, like,

He's better at it than Hokit, obviously.

He's probably one of the best guys ever
to talk trash and try to get the most

out of you in press conferences and get
in your head. But the way Hokit went

about it was more just like it was fun.
It wasn't like he was attacking Curtis

that much or breaking him down or
telling him he sucks. It was different.

He didn't cross the line. He wasn't
talking about family. I think the worst

thing he said to Curtis Blades was like,

Do you guys know how to make ugly kids?
What sexual position makes ugly kids?

Oh, yeah.

Curtis Blades' parents.

I think that might have been the most,
like, you know, the worst thing he

possibly did. And that's fair. That's
fun.

This is what I said about Hokit and his
bit, was that he's not selling fights.

He's selling himself.

And I think that's important for a lot
of fighters to understand, is that

fighters go out there and feel as though
they need to sell a fight, which then,

you know, once that fight's over, then
what?

But for Hokit, he's selling himself. So
it doesn't really matter who he fights

because he did such a good job of just
selling himself that I just want to see

him fight whoever. It doesn't even
matter for me. But also he fights

there's a lot of guys that try to do
these business. Don't fight. They're

sniffing crotches. This guy is fucking
fighting. Yeah, for sure. When you fight

like that, you could get away with
murder.

And you become a superstar.

Talk to me and walk the walk. I really,
I seriously thought like, yeah, Curtis

is going to smoke this dude first
quarter.

He's out of there and then, bro. One
other thing, this dude was a two -time

division one All -American. So you would
think he's just going to try to get the

takedown. He didn't shoot one takedown.

You know, not one damn take. He showed
his defense, though. He showed his

defense 100%, but he went out there and
put on a show.

But I tell you what.

We're going to see the offensive
wrestling in this next one, I think.

You don't stand across from Derrick
Lewis and take those same shots or take

same risks. Oh, hell no. And if you do,
God bless you. Yeah, so, I mean,

obviously that fight got announced that
he's going to fight Derrick Lewis at the

White House. It got announced when he
was still in the cage.

I was like, how did this happen so fast?

Like, what an opportunity to make a big
fight and just really elevate the entire

White House card.

Yeah, it makes it a lot more fun. It
makes it fun. I think I saw something.

Trump might have had something to do
with that.

With the fight happening. I think Trump
was on the phone with Derrick Lewis and

he asked Derrick Lewis, hey, why aren't
you on the White House card? And then

somehow Dana was on a live, like he was
doing like, I don't know, Instagram live

or whatever.

And he was like, we have a new fight
after Hokut won. Well, we have that. So

let's play that.

Okay.

Derrick, the president just asked me why
you're not on the card.

Do you want to fight on the White House
card? And he goes, of course I do.

Tell the president, thank you. I want to
do it.

Then the Hokut card plays out.

The fight plays out. You beat the number
five ranked guy in the world. And Joe

Rogan says, is there still room on the
White House card? We went back and

to him.

Polkett versus Derrick Lewis was just
added to the White House card in the

10 minutes.

President Trump built half of that fight
and Rogan built the other half.

Both guys have accepted and agreed for
the fight.

That's great. That's crazy, right? You
got the president. I love that type of

matchmaker, too. That's a story in
itself.

I love that. For sure. I love that.
Poker's going to be a fucking name now,

know? Like, shit. Because I could see
him easily just beating there with the

right strategy, you know? He could run
right through them. I know, like, DC has

talked about that. And it's crazy that
Derrick Lewis has been there, done it,

has crazy power still to this day, and
we're putting this guy, you know? DC

it. You grab Derek Lewis's leg and he
just falls down.

I mean, I'm not saying Cormier and Josh
Hoka are the same level of wrestling,

but Hoka's got good wrestling. And if
he's smart, he goes out there and just

takes them down, mounts them, and just
ground them, pounds them. But, I mean,

it's not as simple as that because when
you think about it, like DC is the only.

guy to really do that to derrick like
other guys like even curtis blades like

all them guys tried to take him down he
was still able to get back up and knock

him out so it's not as simple as him
just getting the getting the takedown

is an interesting fight because of if
hokit goes out there and has any

of that fight of what it looked like
against curtis blades he's getting

out oh yeah you can't get hit like the
like the way you got by by blades

No. With Derek Lewis. Hell no.

He's got the most knockouts in the
heavyweight division.

Big puncher. Most knockouts in the
history of the UFC. There you go. Of any

division, which is insane.

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Guys also on the weekend, I thought Cub
Swanson, he had his swan song.

What a great career Cub has had, and
what just a moment for him to have that

type of performance in his final
performance here in Miami.

His last two performances, he knocked
out Billy Q.

Then he comes out here and does this to
Nate.

It doesn't look like he needs to walk
away from the sport, but he's just at a

place. But that's the best time.

That's the best time when you don't need
to and you can. You have a storybook

ending here. Your wife and kids are
Kate's side. The president of the United

States is Kate's side. I mean, you go
out there and do this on your

Yeah, he looked great. He looked great.
He looked sharp. He looked powerful. I

don't know if it was post -fight or if
he was talking. He came to it with us.

But he said something like, you know,
he's happy to be done. It's not like he

has any regrets.

We all know the anxiety and the amount
of nerves and just stress that comes to

your life building up to a fight over
and over and over again. He's 42 years

old. And you have a family and stuff. At
some point, it's like, bro.

kind of want to just relax a little bit
because, man, this is a stressful game.

It is. I think about that. Like, you're
42 years old. He's been doing this for a

really long time. Really long time. And
it never goes away. You know what I'm

saying? Like, that stress never goes
away. He was a young pro, too, I

Yeah, I remember.

2004 was his first pro debut.

Ooh, which is crazy. Then he was in the
WC forever. Then had a long UFC career.

That's where I first saw him. You know
what I like? Like, the first time I seen

him was when he got.

Was it a flying knee? The double knee,
the double tap. Holy.

I never seen that in my life.

So no one has ever done that before or
after. Well, you can't block them both.

You can't block them both.

You can't block them both. But, like, he
wasn't defined by that moment. No, no,

no. Yeah, exactly.

And he was like a crazy highlight.

Bro,

he ran through this dude, Lambert.

Ran through him. Did he get touched?

No. Oh, he had a small little. Like a
little. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't even think that dude threw
a punch. Very creative striker too.

Very. Yeah. Yeah.

Unorthodox. Good timing.

He was doing that.

He's a really good boxer. He kicked
elbows.

He's got good ground game too. And he
told me after the fight, when he came

with us, he told us all that.

He's really found a passion for helping
the younger generation. So with his new

gym, he just opened Bloodline.

That's what he wants to do. He wants to
give his time and experience back to

young fighters and help them. So that's
good. You know, Cub's the perfect guy to

do that, I think.

Yeah, for sure. He talked about, like,
what helped him as he got older.

was not really listening to what just
coaches tell them to do if they can't

why they're telling them to do it. So
that's like a smart, mature way of going

through this stuff because a lot of us,
you know, you go to a fight camp and

your coach tells you to do something and
you don't think about, you know, why

we're doing this. You know what's funny
about that? When he put that out, I had

like three different people that I work
with and sent that to me.

And I was like, please, anytime.

I ask you to do something, challenge me.
I feel like all coaches should be

challenged by their athletes. If you
can't answer the why, then why are you

telling them to do it? Hey, Shelf puts
great coaches in his corner because when

I fought him in London, he was missing
shots. I was blocking shots in his

corner. I could hear him through the
cage yelling towards the judges, that

great shot. You heard him. I'm like, he
didn't land that. His coaches are

winning the round on the judges' cards.

Sometimes that is a good coach. Yeah.
Oh, he doesn't like that. I'm like, it

didn't hit me. Longo and Matt Sever,
they were the best with that. Everything

did was devastating. Yeah.

The judges hear it. The judges hear it,
man.

100%. Yeah, but I thought his retirement
was special.

Like, he got the package. He won the
fight in an impressive fashion. Not many

guys get to do that. Like, Robbie Lawler
did it.

Chiesa did it in Seattle last weekend.
He got a chance to do it in Miami.

Dustin, I want to talk about your
retirement.

How did you feel?

I didn't get to do it.

But you still had this pageantry about
your retirement.

Where do you rank that in terms of all
-time MMA retirement?

Compared to the rest, I would have loved
to be on the Robbie Lawler side where I

knock somebody out in my retirement or
the Cub Swanson side, but it was cool,

man. Being back home in the city of New
Orleans, a lot of friends and family who

don't get to travel the world to watch
me fight.

in the building.

Just the idea of the UFC entertaining my
thoughts about retiring back home, them

saying yes was a big deal to me, you
know, because UFC, it's hard to bring an

idea to them and get them to jump on
board. But for this, when I talked about

it, they said, well, make it happen. And
they did. Louisiana got behind it. UFC

got behind my idea.

And Max was a great opponent, you know,
champion.

a great fighter, a fun fighter, a dog.
That was the kind of fight I wanted in

retirement. And they gave it to me, man.
It was a good fight too. I mean, there

were moments where he hurt me. I hurt
him for sure.

Yeah. I guess you kind of want that in
your retirement fight. Chris, should I

ask you, Chris, or should we just like,
bro, but

I will say, I don't think there's ever
like a perfect way to retire because

you're like a part of you is always
going to want something. You, if you, if

it's perfect as far as like, Look at
Cub. He just absolutely crushed it. I

like you kind of always, that fighter in
you, always wants to come back and do a

little bit more.

Because I know Robbie Lawler, he still
wants to fight. I thought his was, like,

perfect. He still isn't to get back in
there. So I feel like that fighter in us

is always never really fully retired.

For sure. Just being at the fights,
every fight I go to, I'm like, I can

these guys. I don't know if that's ever
going to leave. Yeah, yeah. Well, you

can beat these guys. That's the thing
because you have beat these guys. Like

Benoit Saint -Denis.

There's like four or five guys that
you've beaten that are still winning in

UFC. I think all the guys that I beat in
the UFC are now retired or dead.

Come on, man.

My heyday was like 13 years ago.

I've been out for a while, you know.

Yeah, they're doing good. Some of those
wins are aging well, man. Yeah, that's

got to feel good. For sure.

Well, who's left in the UFC that you
have fought?

Actually, I don't know if anybody is,
bro. Really? Oh, Gaslam.

Okay, Gaslam. And we don't know how long
that's going to last after that

performance on Saturday night. Well,
it's two in a row for him. But Vicente

Luque had a few losses in a row. And
he's going up in weight.

Yeah. Right? And to lose like that,
that's a tough loss. I don't know, man.

he's had trouble making weight.

You know, I think probably the UFC might
be frustrated with him.

So I don't know. He has to be making
weight at 85 now? Yeah, bro. I think the

fight before this one, he didn't make
weight. Ooh.

Yeah. Bro, he's got to be dead because
in person he's not a huge guy. Yeah. You

know, he's not that big of a guy.

When I fought him, I'll be honest, like
I was like, I thought he was playing

possible. He felt really weak to me.
Yeah. You know, but.

Yeah, there was one or two guys like
that. He's weak, but that's why he's got

great cardio.

Sometimes they're not as strong. They're
not using all their muscles in

different situations because their
endurance is just so good. He's one of

dudes who just gets better and better as
the fight goes on. You also fought

Dominic Reyes, too.

Oh, that's true. I don't like that
fight.

That was not a good fight.

I think I put that on my memory. I
forgot I fought him. I have one that

actually brought back just so I can have
this point right now.

Jeremy Stephens.

Yeah. Wait, you fought Jeremy Stevens?
Yeah. Oh, that's crazy.

He's fighting again in the UFC coming
up, right? Yeah, he's fighting King

He's fighting King Green. That's a fun
matchup. Yeah.

He's a tough dude, man. Yeah. He's a
tough dude. That's the only time I've

Dean Thomas shoot ever, I think.

Yeah.

He turned you into a wrestler?

Yeah, he turned me into a wrestler. I
didn't want to get hit by that guy.

He did not want to get hit by that guy.

So UFC 327 took place in Miami. What
other...

What other storylines or events or
things got you guys excited?

Well, I'll say, like, well, let's talk
about what – Mateo Gamrot getting the

dub, getting the finish. That was big.

Shout out to the teammate.

Because, you know, I come from a
background.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, his technique on his takedowns is
amazing. I love watching it. The way he

– at one point he had a single leg, and
the way he brought it up like a

traditional wrestler would, and you
don't see it that often. His timing with

shots, too.

His opponent threw an overhand and
missed. All game right there was change

levels. Just duck down, let the guy fall
over him, and get up into a high

crotch. When I see a guy like that, I'm
like, man. Yeah, his cardio. He's nice

to have, like, good knees. I think his
knees are good. When he's up and down,

I'm like, oh, that's got to feel good.
Yeah, you were just telling me you can't

even run. Yeah, I can't run. He'll do
six, seven, eight rounds hard back -to

-back without even breaking a sweat.
This guy's got, like, a next -level

gastric. Didn't always know any of that
top team, but.

He's a hard worker, man.

The world's cheesy because this guy just
calls endlessly, man. Well, let's talk

about this fight. So we had the Cub
Swanson fight, which was picture perfect

him. And then the fight after that was
probably the worst fight maybe of all

time. Johnny Walker. Let's not talk
about that one. I think that was a gift

us. And this is the one I had circled.
This is going to be a double knockout.

Something crazy is happening.

Both of them have been hurt.

bad a lot like johnny walker we've all
seen the videos of him running around

you know the the canvas you know trying
to keep his balance after getting hit

with a shot and then dom ray is coming
off a terrible knockout terrible again

over up against old bird and he had just
got things right back on track too like

you know like as you get older and
you've been hit like that like you're

hesitant like to come into the pocket
because you're like bro i don't want

to happen again you know like sometimes
experience actually plays like it's a

negative Because when you're young, you
just go.

You're slipping and you're ripping. You
don't give a crap, oh, he might come

with a check left hook. Ignorance is
bliss, man.

Ignorance is bliss. And as you get
older, you probably get better. You

even better in the gym. But when you're
inside that octagon, the negative

thoughts start playing in your head and
you just start thinking a little bit

more. I know I felt that in my career as
I got older.

Like I was better than probably ever in
the gym.

And then when I get in there.

as I'm about to, like, really, I want to
connect on this, I start thinking, oh,

wait, he could throw the left hook here.
That might hit me. I got to keep this

hand up. Like, things that I wouldn't
think about when I was younger started

playing in my head, and it's a negative,
you know?

I know exactly what you're talking
about, man.

Yeah, that fight was absolutely trash.
But you know who wasn't trash? Aaron

Pico. Yep.

Aaron Pico, he delivered, man. Aaron
Pico, so, like, everything that you

about him.

prior to coming to the UFC, and then
obviously he fought Lerone Murphy. It

didn't go his way, but he came out and
fought Pitbull.

Now, I know Pitbull's a little older,
but Pitbull has a style that aged well.

So you can't take anything away from the
performance of Aaron Pico. I mean, he

went out there. He boxed beautifully.

He wrestled beautifully. He controlled
the entire fight. I thought he looked

amazing. I thought he looked like a
great addition to the featherweight

division. You've seen him hesitant for
the first time in his career, right?

the first round came out, and, you know,
usually he's just running forward like

what he did to Lerone. Murphy.

He just dragged him to deep water in the
first three minutes.

This is the first time I've ever seen
him. He was very hesitant to get in the

pocket, which I didn't think was a good
thing at first. He got rocked with a

couple shots.

Sometimes when you're worried about your
chin, you need to get hit a couple

times. I'm still here.

Then you see him pick it up as the fight
went on. I like how he added in his

wrestling because we know he's one of
the greatest wrestlers to ever come into

the sport.

He's one of the best boxers, I think, in
the sport too. It was good to see him

Rip that band -aid off of getting his
first win in the UFC.

So now maybe we can see a little bit
more freedom in him when he comes out

his next one. But I do want to see him
against UFC caliber guys. Because I

always thought he could beat this guy
over at Bellator. But now I want to see

him against the UFC's best.

Because he's been doing it for a while.
I know the Murph fight didn't go his

way. But I want to see him against the
UFC's best. I want to see him fight

Moxar. I thought Moxar dodged a bullet
by avoiding him.

And I won't say avoiding him. He may be
injured or whatever the reason was.

Mozart did not fight him. I don't know
what the reason was, but Mozart did not

fight him. But Mozart did beat the guy
that ended him, though.

Yeah, but still stylistically.

I want to see Mozart for the battle. But
stylistically, Aaron Pico matches up

well with him better than anybody.

Definitely better stand up, more
powerful on the feet, and better wrestle

Can wrestle back into him. Yeah, 100%.
But I still pick Mozart to win that

fight. He just finds a way to win. I
mean, he's a good fighter.

Shout out to Moser. Is he fighting for
the title next? Is it confirmed?

He deserves it. He deserves it. If it's
not confirmed, that's crazy, man. 10 -0.

The Murph fight was exciting, man.

He wants to fight him.

Volk wants to fight Evloev, but who
knows what the UFC does.

I don't know who else there is.

I'm interested to see who they get Pico
next, you know, because there's so many

fun fights you can match up. So many fun
fights for Pico. Yeah, at 45, there's

so many fun fights, so many bangers. The
only thing with Pico I'm worried about

is, like, once he starts fighting those
refined strikers, like, he's...

All of his movements are so big, he's
looking for a knockout, and he puts

himself in harm's way.

If he would pull that back a little bit,
and I think we saw it there, he did a

little bit, slow down just a little bit,
use his wrestling, be a little bit

smarter defensively, but he's always
looking for such a big shot. Even though

has the technique, he puts himself in
harm's way, and that's what we've seen

with him getting finished in the past.

Him being over -aggressive. I know who
he could fight, that Argentinian kid,

Aiejo, I think.

The one that just beat up... Oh, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Dude, that dude.

Oh,

yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great fight.

That's a great fight, bro. And that dude
could wrestle defensively. He kind of

looks like... And boxed.

Yeah, like a... You know, that thing,
similar thing.

Yeah. Oh, that guy's scary, though.
Yeah, max level speed, great timing,

power. How's his rest one and stuff,
though? Ali, in this fight, there wasn't

too much. In his last fight, there was
two exchanges, I think, where they got

into his leg and he immediately sprawled
the guy. It wasn't even close. With

Josh Emmett? With Josh Emmett. Josh
Emmett got to his legs twice.

That's a great matchup. You got Josh
Emmett shooting, who I think he's

got the most powerful, probably maybe
one of the most knockouts in the

Yeah. And you got him shooting.

I've never seen anybody do Emmett like
that. And I think Emmett's a stud. Like,

Emmett could do it all. And he just,
like, drew a line in the same. He's

every time you cross, I'm going to make
you pay. And he beat the brakes off of

him. All right, fellas. Before we go to
break, I do want to circle back.

to Josh Hoke in that great heavyweight
fight and just get you guys' thoughts on

it. That's your favorite fighter now. I
do like him right now, but just the top

heavyweight fights of all time.

Because, I mean, a lot of people are
talking about that one being the top

heavyweight fight of all time. But what
are some of your favorites? Of all time?

Like number one? Nah.

I think it's up there, man, as far as
entertainment. Top ten. Top ten for

For sure top ten. I'm putting it at top
three.

So one of my favorite memorable ones is
it wasn't a full fight, but that Czech

-Congo versus Pat Barrett fight. Great
fight. Banger. That's like our Tommy

Hearns versus Marvin Hagler type.

That fight was insane. Bigfoot and Mark
Hunt, the first one? Yeah. That was a

war. And then Junior Dos Santos and Cain
Velasquez, I think, too, was another

one. Yeah.

Two and three were both wars, too.

I mean, this wasn't like the most
technical fight. Some of the pride

too, man. Heavyweight division was
crazy. With Fedor. Yeah, man.

Yeah.

What was the one when they were
uppercutting each other? The hockey

Don Fry?

Don Fry. I can't remember his opponent,
but with the crazy hair.

It was a hockey fight. They were holding
each other's heads.

Oh, here we go. This is the Pat Barabas.

Oh, man.

That was not.

Bader versus Noguera. Those are classic.

absolute classics.

It's hard. It's relevant.

It's like, you know, for me, it was so
damn exciting, especially with like the

buildup. We didn't know what this dude
was going to be able to do.

So good. Right. He's like top five. He's
so dangerous. I always thought he was

going to be a champion Curtis, but you
know, he's just a really good wrestler.

Who's huge. And he's got heavy hands.

But I think you have to add that into
the context of why it was so great

you didn't expect it from either guy. It
wasn't like the most beautiful

technical battle, but it was just heart
and grit on the line. And it was coming

off the Dominic Reyes -Johnny Walker
fight.

That's what made it even better. That's
what made it even better.

Because we was all asleep until Josh
Hooker came out.

That fight was the last one, I think, on
CBS.

Yeah. And that was supposed to be
pulling people over to Paramount+. Yeah,

man. The poor people that didn't go over
to Paramount+.

messed up because, damn, that fight was
sick. Oh, before we go, I said we were

going to go before, but did you guys
hear Kevin Holland bought $100 ,000 a

horse? I don't know if it was multiple
horses or one horse, but $100 ,000 he

spent on one horse.

One horse he spent.

That's an amazing horse. Yeah.

That's from his purse. Like, that's
crazy to me.

I think there's big money on horses. I
don't really know a horse game like

It's like an investment. It's like
buying a stock, I think. Take it to a

racetrack right away. If it wins.

If it wins. What's the craziest thing
you bought with your fight money?

A yacht?

Well, nah.

Probably some shit I can't say online,
but I did buy my dad a nice car because

he liked the old school cars. I got a
Shelby 1968.

Oh, yeah. The old school one. Yeah, I
got it from my pops after one of my big

fights. I love that. Yeah, I pulled up
on him.

I had somebody drive it up. I was like,
hey, that's a nice car. You like it? He

was like, yeah, that's a nice car. I was
like, it's yours. Wow.

Gave him the keys. That was pretty
crazy.

Dustin, how about you?

Biggest?

I'm not sure if I splurged and bought
something crazy after a fight, but one

spin that I did make that comes to mind
is after my first bonus in the UFC, I

got a $65 ,000 bonus back maybe in 2011
or 2012 when the bonuses were $65 ,000.

When they gave them to you in the locker
room as a check, now you've got to wait

for the wire to clear.

Lorenzo used to come in with a
handwritten check and hand it to you in

locker room. Congrats, you won a bonus.
But I got me and my wife out of debt. I

paid off her car, paid off her student
loans, spent some cash there.

It was a smart purchase.

That's a family man purchase right
there. I like that.

I bought my mom a car. I think that was
a big one. I bought some ATVs after one

fight, a couple ATVs. I bought myself
like a big truck that I'd lost crazy

on. It was the stupidest purchase ever.

They told me if I have residential
plates on it, I'm good, and I could

on the highways and stuff like that. And
then I started getting tickets after

tickets because I'm not supposed to be
on the highway with it. It was too heavy

in New York.

And so I had to sell it like three
months later. I lost like $30 ,000 on

thing. So that was a dumb purchase.

Yeah. Well, for me, I fought in the
early 2000s, so I was just trying to pay

bills.

Bought yourself a laptop after a fight.
I bought myself a cell phone. I got a

cell phone. Yeah, yeah. I bought a
prepaid cell phone. Got your next cell.

Yeah.

Yes.

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Earlier this week, actually Saturday
night, it was announced that one of the

highest profile athletes that we've seen
in a while signed to the UFC, Gable

Steveson, signed to the UFC.

Yeah, that was a big deal.

Yeah, so how do you feel about this,
Chris?

I think it's amazing timing, especially
with Hokit doing his thing, because the

heavyweight division has kind of been in
disarray. You know, with Jon Jones

possibly fighting, now you've got Alex
Pereira coming up, Aspinall dealing with

his eye injuries, you know, giving up
the belt. It's just you need some big

names. You need some depth there. And to
have a guy like Gable Stevenson,

Olympic champion, coming in, I don't
think we've had a prospect like that

to UFC for a really long time.

I'm excited to see it.

next level athlete yeah it's just man
this guy's explosive he could wrestle

one of my favorite guys all through the
collegiate season i saw him since his

freshman year when he first won the
title i got to be there like live in

so i saw his whole career even when he
went to go play like pro football and i

saw that in the wwe i'm just glad
finally

He's in the fighting because he's done a
lot of things at a high level, but I

think this is going to be the one that
fits him the best. He looks like a

fighter, too, because when you see him
fight, sometimes you're such a good

wrestler that you're a little hesitant
to throw your hand.

He's dropping people. Now he's running
through people.

He's explosive.

Did you see the video after him? It
might have been his last fight.

And he just jumps out the ring.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No hands.

Like, he knocks the guy out, and he just
jumps out the ring. So he jumps out the

ring, and he sticks the landing, and
then starts twerking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you were cheering
for him. Yeah, I was cheering for him.

You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No,

I mean, it was impressive.

And he's a heavyweight, too. You look at
him do his back flips after his

wrestling matches and stuff. He's got
endurance. I want to see him versus

fight, man. Me, too. That's what I want
to see. Well, apparently, I think

they're teammates.

Oh, are they? Yeah. Really? Yeah.
They're both at Jacksonville. That's all

right. We'll have like a Rashad Evans,
John Jones thing. Chris Duncan, Moikano.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

We got to do this. In the big gyms. It
feels like only American top team forces

the guys to fight. Every other gym is
like, no, we're friends with the top

teams. It happens a lot with top team.
You know?

Keep it professional. When it's time to
fight, it's time to fight. Yeah. It

happened at Jacksonville. I mean, the
first.

time that it was like a big deal was
that Rashad Evans, Jon Jones.

Rashad was like passing over there, like
Greg Jackson. And then Jon Jones came

in as this blue chip prospect. And
before you know it, he was...

you know, trying to fight for the title
against Rashad, which was crazy. That

was a crazy time. And that was, it was
that one. So Rashad left then and then

started the black zillion. Yeah. Yeah.
So like, you know, had that not

we wouldn't have had the black zillions.
If there's no black zillions, there was

no Kamara Usman. So.

It's fun for the fans, but people don't
realize how it separates, how it splits

the gym and it divides the gym. We've
seen it with Robbie and Woodley. I mean,

that was, that was, I mean, that, that
crippled my relationship with Robbie for

five years.

Because you were coaching Woodley? Yeah.

I guess weird. Why did you pick sides,
man?

I mean, because Tyler was my voice.

You know how that is, man. I was there
from the start.

And then, you know, they had to fight.
And then, you know, it was such a bad

thing. Teammates have to pick a side.
Coaches have to pick a side. It's a

man, for the gym and for the atmosphere
in the gym. For Amanda and Kayla, it was

like a massive one for us. We saw that
one, too.

Yeah, I think Amanda saw it, too. That's
why she was like, you know what?

Where's Amanda Traynor? She has her own
place. She has her own place. She brings

in coaches. I think so.

It's like a private gym.

Gotcha. I think Dean's with her. Yeah,
I've been working with her.

Oh. You don't tell nobody. I keep those
things on the low.

He just wants to hear what we're saying.

Back to headquarters.

I was wondering why you were asking so
many questions about Caleb.

I was wondering why you asked. How much
did she squat?

She was asking how the surgery was
healing up and stuff. I was like, man,

are you asking this for? I am generally
concerned about that, though.

I saw her Saturday. She said she's
feeling good. Okay. All right. So we

did she have, because I've had two neck
surgeries, did we know what kind of, did

she have artificial disc replacement?

Do you know if she had a fusion? It's
the easy one. It wasn't a fusion. It

wasn't a fusion. They just go out there
and deal with the herniation and pull it

out. and sit you back up? I know exactly
what it was, but I'm not entitled to

say. I'm just hoping it's not the one.
Because somebody's going to run back to

the gym and talk to you. Well, I will
say, like, the artificial disc, iPad,

Algebra, it's easy.

I'm just hoping it's not the one that
your old Romero had. Yeah, that's a

fusion. That turned him into a super
soldier. Yeah, a super soldier. He

be knocked out. If you call Jerome's
name, he can't turn his neck like this.

He's got to go like this.

Take shots better because your head
doesn't whip. Your brain doesn't whip.

Robocop. That's a P .E .D. right there.
Yeah, bro. His head doesn't whip around.

I remember Derrick Bunsen kicked him
right in the neck. Hard as can be and

nothing. It was like right here. He
chopped him. Paulo Costa, the same

There's a video.

Yeah, yeah.

He's like that looking away from it,
getting kicked in the back. I don't

we've seen him really even hurt in the
UFC, right?

The old man? No, he's never.

Never been hurt.

Never been hurt. He's a freak of both.
Because of that neck surgery.

Yeah, 100%. I should have got that one.

That's the one to get. Damn it. I messed
that up. That's the one to get. Yeah.

So Gable Stevenson's coming to the UFC.
And I heard rumors.

that somebody sitting on this panel
might have had some talks.

Chris? Coming back to the UFC.

Jorge, this must be you or Dustin.

I don't know. I'm retired, man. Somebody
speak.

In fact, we have sound of it. Oh, okay.

Jorge Masvidal says he has something
going on with the UFC.

Can you confirm that?

Yeah, no, we have no fights for him
right now. We have nothing done with

Okay. He's talking to us.

Okay. Yeah.

All right. So there's no fights, but y
'all are talking.

We're talking, man. I mean, you know
what?

They owe me some money for some cleaning
bills and shit. But you know how it is.

You know, like back in the day when you
was in high school, you had a little

girl and you was like, yeah, we just
talking. Yeah. But that was your girl,

though, because you were talking. So y
'all talking.

We're definitely talking. We've been
talking for a minute. You know, it's

we haven't landed on that.

thinking you guys know better than
anybody how UFC is. I love them to

But, man, they make you work for every
single thing, you know, and it's always

like it's not quite where you want it to
be a lot of times. So we're going to

get something.

Yeah. I think International Fight Week
is a great return for you, man. If it

be around that time, it would be huge. I
love it. When do you feel like your

best, if it was up to you, when do you
think you're ready to go? Where are you

going to feel like you're at your best?

I think the more time they give me to
prepare, the better, obviously.

So a good four months, five months from
here will be perfect.

You're coming back at middleweight,
right?

Middleweight, welterweight.

Whatever, whatever.

Yeah, 100%. You don't want to cut that
weight in.

I mean, no, I don't. But I will take a
fight at welterweight. If it's the right

names that I'm asking, there's a name or
two I'm asking.

And if it's those guys, I just get back
on that running diet shit. What do you

weigh right now?

like too sexy right now.

But if I get, look, I'll be honest with
you. If you give me a Leon fight, I'll

get the 70 by the ball.

No kidding.

I would like that fight.

The fans would like that.

And it obviously makes the most sense.
Because I was thinking, like, you just,

you know, with your name, you just don't
show up and just fight anybody. You're

not going out there fighting Francisco
Prado. And he already got a two -piece

and a soda. Now it's time for dessert.
Yeah, you got to. Now it's the whole

buffet. I'm going to hit the
motherfucker with, brother.

I would love it. And, you know, first,
he had said he wouldn't fight me because

I had, like, three or four losses in a
row. I think he's got, like. Four losses

in a row and, like, three by KO, you
know? So, which is bigger? I think

the fight that makes sense. That's a
great fight. I didn't even think of

Yeah. You know, that's one. It's low
-hanging fruit for the UFC. Just give me

what I'm asking for and we'll get the
call, man.

Now, Jorge, I got to ask you, man,
because, like, you always fight guys

have, like, all this beef with. Is that
pressure? No, no.

Usually, most people, there's, like, two
people that maybe, you know, it was

more serious kind of pressure.

I mean, for the most part, I get along
with everybody. I like what I'm doing.

And everybody that I fought, it's like
I'm cool with them afterwards, you know.

If I see them, I share a meal with them.
I'll fucking hang out, talk some shit,

you know.

But just one rat -ass motherfucker, you
know, is literally a rat. And I

shouldn't even say his name because he's
already suing me, but fuck it, you

know. Colby Covington is the only one I
really never, you know, mess with like

that, you know. Yeah.

Speaking of, I mean, that segues right
into my next.

Question. Yeah. For Chris. Jorge hired a
hitman.

You got Kobe coming up. The Cuban
gangster.

Is it seven or eight?

What's that? Oh, I don't know.

So it's a real American freestyle. Yeah.
May 30th.

In Dallas.

I am wrestling Colby Covington. I was
kind of shocked.

Put me in the corner, man. Yeah.

You and my kids in the corner. That's a
good dynamic.

I love it.

Yeah. I think I'm going to throw him
around, man. I got to get down to 200

pounds. Is that what the weight is? 200
pounds?

What are you at right now?

I'm like 218.

You ain't no 280. No, I promise. I
promise.

I've been doing my thing for the last,
like, two weeks, so I came down to that.

I was probably, like, 225, 226, and now
I'm down to, like, 218. How did this

match come about?

My manager hit me up and said, hey, he
got hit up by Real Mecca Freestyle to

wrestle Colby, and then he went against
Dylan Dennis, and then he called me out

afterwards, and I'm like, all right, I'm
in. Let's do it. I can't believe he

wants to wrestle me.

Let's go. I mean, he probably thinks
I've had 31 surgeries. He thinks I

can't move, but I can still wrestle. No,
I saw you go against Pat Downey, and

you had him beat dead to rights, man,
just like that. I beat him, like, the

whole time wrestling -wise during the
whole.

Periods, but there was no scores or
anything like that. And then when it

overtime, I went for, like, a fun throw,
and he ended up on top, which wasn't

the smartest thing, but I was trying to
have fun, you know. Yeah. It was all

good, but, yeah, I'm going to put it on
him. It'll be fun.

I don't think he can wrestle, man. I
don't think he can wrestle. For sure,

He's been doing his thing.

But you've been, speaking of doing your
thing, you've been doing your thing.

Game bread successful over the weekend?

Yes, sir. DR. Great success with
Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo.

We had a bout.

Right under 5 ,000 people in attendance.

It was a great, great show, you know.

Anthony Smith headlined the card. Chase
Sherman, no gloves.

It was crazy. Anthony Smith looked good.
Yeah, he did. He looked fast. He looked

explosive. The not cutting that weight
really, really benefited him.

In the co -main event, we had Guto
Inocente versus Thiago Santos.

Great co -main event, you know. What
happened in that fight?

Brown stopped it, y 'all.

Brown took him down.

He kind of handcuffed one of his hands
and just.

I wailed on him.

It's just different when the bare
knuckle hits. Even if it's just regular

and pounding, it explodes your face
right away, you know? Crazy cuts. I like

bare knuckle boxing, but I like bare
knuckle mixed martial arts.

I'm glad that you did that, man,
because, like...

Yeah, for sure.

There's something about bare -knuckle
MMA that just seems right to me. It just

seems like it's right. It seems okay to
me. And the grapplers actually love it,

too, because now you don't have all this
tape, guys, tape, guys, tape, guys. I

was thinking that. So your bite is a lot
harder. With that choke, like your

glove's not in the way. You can't stop
now. You just slide it right through.

When it's the glove, you get the glove
like that, and now you have friction.

can buy time, but when there's no glove,
you take that glove right out. Yep.

Slip it right back in there, you know?
Next event.

May 1st, and let me tell you who it is.
I got Hector Lombard fighting versus

Joel. Yes. How did you get there?

You better chill out. Limited A, limited
C. All y 'all got tickets.

Limited seating, though.

No gloves.

No gloves. They're fighting bare
knuckle. Plus another 12 fights. The

Missile Crisis.

So I did an event in Qatar against
Hector Lombard. It was like kick the

all this stuff and take down.

He ends up punching me in the head
because I don't think he knows how to

rules. He gets disqualified.

I was just front kicking him to his body
over and over. He was too small.

But they had told me that they were
trying to get Yoel Romero to go against

in that. But Yoel was like, no, if I go
against him, I need to punch him in the

face. He refused to, like, grapple
against him or anything like that. I

they had some serious beef, some Cuban
beef that I don't know about. Maybe you

could enlighten me. Do you know what's
going on there? I mean, I could, but at

the same time, the Cuban mafia will take
me out.

All I can say. As soon as you start
talking.

All I can say about.

their feud there is that it's hyper
competitive and they're either one of

would rather die than give an inch in
anything like let's say they both got to

the urinal at the same time

They'll never go, oh, go ahead. They'll
never, like, do that unless, you know,

there was some crazy ulterior motive,
like there's a bomb in there or

They will not give an inch to each
other.

That's what I can say. You know what I
love about that is that Hector Lombard,

when I was up and coming, we're all up
and coming, that dude was the scariest

dude. I cornered against him in
Louisiana a long time ago in a Bellator

and he knocked out a...

One of my buddies is, you know, is
crazy, man. And then you got to work a

team with him. Like the stories that
come from that gym. They're all true.

how he was. They're all true. Yeah, I've
seen it in person.

I've never seen.

Us three here have seen it the most. He
has the most bodies I've ever seen in a

gym. Especially at a gym like Top Team
where it's not flouches coming through,

you know. I'm talking about people dead.

He would leave people dead on the mat,
you know. Yeah. That's going to be a

crazy fight. I love that. Yeah, he was
terrorizing people. Being a bully is one

thing, but being a bully to a
professional fighter is a whole other

It's a whole other level.

And the thing about him that's
interesting, because usually the bullies

like, well, I'm not going to go with the
big guy. He'll go with anybody, 100

miles per hour. He wants the big guy.

What's the dude's name who he had beef
with?

Was it Barnett? Josh Barnett.

And there's a big weight difference, and
he never gave a fuck, bro.

Yeah, Josh is huge.

Yeah. You remember the guy Titties from
the Ultimate Fighter? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember that.

He knocked him out so bad. I was there.
For like five minutes, he was trying to

resuscitate. We literally thought, heck,
you killed somebody. He was down like

six minutes, not moving.

Like that, grabbing his leg, shaking him
up. They're contemplating, like, should

we call the paramedics? Clear.

Did he punk Tyrone Woodley at some
event, too? Like, wasn't that more

I don't know.

I don't know if it was recent, but I
remember he approached him on multiple

occasions. On multiple occasions. You
don't want to see him. But Woodley's too

cool.

Woodley's too cool. If you're not paying
Woodley, he ain't even going to do it.

He won't even look at you. He's like,
yo.

Yeah, he's not worth it. But I remember,
so this was, I was a top team at the

time, and I had my own school, and every
so often I'd bring students down to

train with the pros.

And I brought a guy in, and he trained
with Hector, man. Bad idea.

And I told him, I said, man, listen, you
don't want to go on that side of the

room. And he didn't listen. He went on
that side of the room. He went with

Hector. He was crying.

Hector made him cry. One of my fighters,

he made him cry, man. I was like, oh.

Hector made a lot of people. Did you
still coach him after that? Yeah.

Hector made a lot of people cry. They
came to the gym on a visiting recruiting

trip and then never came back. And some
big names in the UFC, I swear. For sure.

I've seen them crying.

I've seen them right there first -hand
crying. And they never came back because

Hector beat the brakes on them. Over the
years, we got cool. But when I first

came to American Top Team. He tried to
kill you. I tried not to make eye

with him.

I did. He was looking my way. I was
like. You can't make eye contact with

Don't make eye contact yet.

He was an absolute savage. He was a
beast. Speaking of beast, it is time to

unleash the beast fueled by monster
energy.

We got a fight card coming up this
weekend.

Gilbert Burns taking on Mike Malott.

Guys, what do y 'all think about this?

I'm going to go with my boy Gilbert,
man, hard.

I'm going to bet the house on Gilbert. I
think we all love Gilbert, right?

He's a man. He's a family man. Always so
cool to talk to. And he's such a tough

-ass fighter. He's another one who's got
great jiu -jitsu, but he stands and

bangs. It's always a fun fight with him.
And then you've got Mike Millat, who's

more of a technician, kind of like an
athlete. His brother's in the NHL, so

got that athleticism in his DNA.

So it's kind of like contrasting styles.
I don't think Millat's going to want to

be like in a – like a real fight with
him in the pocket, he's going to have to

try to pick him apart from the outside
and frustrate him.

This is tough because we all love
Gilbert. Yeah. But, I mean, he's on a

-fight losing streak.

And sometimes, like, your confidence
goes down. Because, like, the Gilbert

fought Chemaez beats Mike Malott any day
of the week.

But after losing four fights, it's like,
does he still have it? Yeah. I don't

know.

I'm going to say he doesn't.

I'm going to go with Mike Millard on
this one. I'm going to go with Gilbert

rest of the resurgence.

You think he's going to come back? Come
back.

I'm going to go with Gilbert.

You're going to go with Gilbert?

I'm going to go with Gilbert because I
just love that dude, man.

I'm hoping he wins. But Mike Millard, he
is a problem.

And they're fighting in Canada. In
Canada. He always fights at home.

And you do have a point, though. The
four -fight losing streak, I've been

Not four fights, but I've had multiple
losses in a row. And it does mess with

your confidence. And this whole game is
confidence.

You've got to try to find it again. And
that's what Gilbert's going to be trying

to do. Don't be able to hit that reset
button and almost forget about it. And

then it's your first fight again. I will
say this about Gilbert. If anybody can

do it, he's a competitor.

He's a great competitor. Not just a
great fighter, but he's a guy who

well. Like, obviously, like, his losses
are, you know, Morales, Brady, JDM,

Bilal. So, like, those are, I mean,
that's, you know, that's a murderer's

Old champions?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, except for Brady and Morales, but
they're all top five guys, right? So,

like, they're all great fighters. But
Milat, like, Holland, Radke, Trevin

those are his last three wins.

Not on the level of his loss.

Yeah, his wins are not on the level of
the losses that Burns has had. So, I

mean, I think it's still a very
competitive fight, but I have to go with

Millat in Canada.

In Canada.

How old is Millat?

He's young.

Yeah, he's young.

If I was going to put all my money on
it, I'd probably have to go Millat,

depending on the odds. But I'm just
going.

Just put half of it. Yeah, half and
half. I think he's 34.

He's 30. Well, it's not super young, but
that's prime.

Burns is like four. I don't think he's
40.

I don't think he's 40. No, I don't think
he's 40 yet. But I mean, but he's been

in a lot of wars and he just feels a
little bit more modest. Yeah. He feels

39. We got, we got producers in a year.
We got like the Jamie of the Rogan show.

You got to round up. That was 40. Yeah.
That's 40. That's 40. That's 40.

But I think it's, you know, all in all,
it's a pretty, it's a solid card.

We got Kyler Phillips taking on Charles
Jourdain. I think that's a great

Bantamweight. I think maybe
Bantamweight. I think Charles Jourdain

down. Jasmine, Jazz DeVicious taking on
Karini Silva.

And here's a fight that I'm really
interested in.

And this guy's making his UFC debut.
That's Mandel Nalo versus Jai Herbert.

Now, Mando Nalo, he fought in Bellator,
and he's fought in all these different

organizations. He's an absolute killer
from Canada. But John Herbert, the black

country banger, he's the one who could
have stolen all of Ilya Teporyan's

Yeah, that guy.

The head kick. I know who's talking
about now.

Yeah.

Kind of.

Come on. We're going to put the replay.
He landed a nice head kick on the first

round. Oh, yeah, first round.

At 155, right? I think they fought that
fight. Yeah, yeah, that was at 155.

And then that's when we saw how much
power Ilya actually has. He was like...

hard. And we continue to see it for the
following years. He was hurt. His resume

was insane.

The people he's put away.

And if he can do it to Justin, I mean,
he's going out there and assassinating

all of our favorite fighters. I know.

He's got the good style to fight Justin,
you know.

Justin has good kicks, too. That's the
thing. But the boxing, the defensiveness

of Ilya, man, levels above Justin, I
feel. But, like, that story, Gaethje

the American on the White House card,
he's going to be a huge underdog against

guy who we, like, look at as one of the
– he's one of the greatest. Like, if you

look at every facet of his game, he
started as a jiu -jitsu dude.

You know, like, he was submitting people
early in his career, and then when he

got into the UFC, he decided, I'm going
to knock everybody out. And his boxing

is one of the best boxing, you know, the
best boxers we've seen in the UFC.

You know, Justin Gaethje's got a tough
test, but if he can pull it off, bro, do

you know how crazy that's going to be?

Does Justin do it all in this fight,
start wrestling, you know?

Because he does have that next set. I
know Ilya could wrestle right back into

him, but just to make things up.

Justin never uses wrestling.

I would love to see him.

Defensively. I think he's going to have
to just.

Throw his hands, man. He's going to have
to connect with something.

Justin does have the great equalizer,
man. He can put anybody out if he lands,

you know. But just the technique of
Ilya, how protected he keeps himself,

footwork is just speed.

I think people say, like, Ilya is maybe
the better fighter. But in our sport,

the better fighter doesn't always win.
You know, so that's why it's going to be

exciting. The guy who's willing to take
the biggest risk and put himself out

there to land the shot sometimes is the
winner because of that. You know, and

Justin is that guy. All you need is one
moment. I'm dumping the house on Ilya in

this one, though.

Yeah. I'm going stupid on this one.

Brought to you by, I'm going stupid.

I'm going stupid. We're waiting for the
sponsor to plug it up right there, but

I'm going stupid on that one.

So do you guys know what today is?

April Fool's Day. No, it's not April
Fool's Day. It's an anniversary.

Dustin, do you know?

Nah, anniversary.

It's the anniversary.

Today's Monday.

No, today is the seven -year anniversary
of this fight. Oh, damn. Yeah.

That's crazy. I had no clue.

Yeah, look at that.

Oh, that was nice. Talk us through it.
Oh, my gosh. Look at him. Look at him.

Come to 55. Come over here.

Holy shit. This is at 55, right? Yeah,
yeah, yeah.

When you see this, Dustin, you feel like
throwing them thangs again, don't you?

I always feel like throwing them thangs.
I'm just glad we're showing these

highlights and not my retirement fight.

I'm still up one, Max. You got one back,
but I'm up one still. Where were both

you guys at in your career at this
point?

He was on a 13 -fight win streak, the
featherweight champion. Yeah.

Yeah.

This was crazy, man. This was the way he
made the team was insane.

Max is one of my favorite fighters. One
of my favorite fighters. Not only is he,

like, beyond technical when he wants to
be, but he's got the most heart. Like,

you got to kill this guy every time.
When he steps in there, you got to kill

him. And this fight just showed it.
Like, it just didn't go his way, and he

never backed off.

He was still trying to find a way to
win.

You hit him a lot.

This one you made it look easy, man. And
Max usually doesn't get hit. Yeah.

So what was you thinking in your head
when you were hitting him and he was

standing there?

I had hurt him a couple times early in
the fight, so I really thought I was

going to get him out of there.

But he just kept getting up and
answering every bell and walking

him with a knee.

It didn't bother him at all. He's a real
fighter, a real warrior. Like, he's cut

from that cloth.

You got to kill him. Yeah. He's got a
granite chin. Is Toporia the only dude

who's ever, like, put him out? Yeah.

Yeah. He's the first. Yeah.

Crazy. Yeah.

And I think they say Justin was the
first guy to drop him. Drop him, but

didn't count it, though.

I remember them not counting it. I
dropped him in our retirement, but he

me, too, so. Yeah. Yeah.

Man.

Max Holloway.

A legend, man. Yeah, for sure, man.

I mean, I was extremely surprised about
what happened in his last fight, though.

Yeah, his takedown defense. I didn't
think it was going to be that easy for

Charles. I bet at the house on Max.

I didn't think it was going to be that
easy to get him down. Yeah.

It was a little easy for his takedown
defense. Charles just quit the first

fight. Yeah, no, yeah. He quit in that
fight.

He had some, like, weird neck thing,
right?

I don't know. Something happened.
Something happened, bro. He made him

I was thinking, you know, there's not
going to be no chance.

I guess that size could go back down.
You got that clinch, bro.

Max is big, man.

Max is big.

He's not a small lightweight.

Yeah, you don't think he could go back
down. He might be able to. I just don't

know what's left for him at 45.

He has a frame at 55. He can keep
filling it out. He can.

But that clinch was a problem. Like, a
takedown defense from that clinch.

Because I've seen videos.

Like, Charles had.

Ilya in that same situation where he had
that double under, and he was going hip

to hip and trying to rag Dom down.

Lower center of gravity, though. Max is
taller.

It was a tough matchup, I guess.

Ilya has good wrestling, man. Good
throws from the tackle.

And Charles is very strong, man. It
doesn't look like he's slim, but when he

gets his hands on you, he looks strong.

Yeah, that's just from years of doing
jiu -jitsu and grappling. You know, he's

got a different kind of strength. Yeah,
he's got, like, them arms and, like,

that ligament strength.

Exactly. Like, long, he can just bring
you in.

It's deceiving.

Moikano's another guy.

Slim, but when he gets his hands locked,
it's like steel cables around him. You

got to give credit to Max, though. On
the ground, five rounds against the most

dangerous jiu -jitsu. And early, dry.

Yeah, I don't know how he stayed out of
all those submissions. I know. And, I

mean, not just, like.

he was dominated and stayed out of
submissions. So that's not easy to do.

Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah.

All right. Well, I told you guys, I told
the fans that we would, um, those read

the comments in the chat. So we're going
to go to some of these questions from

the chat.

Welcome to the club. I guess they
talking about y 'all.

Nah. He's not talking about me.

I'm 37, bro. I might be on. Garrett
Manger, 19.

Yeah, we're all on. Garrett Manger,
Dean's biggest purchase is an old

phone with a snake on it. Sean Sterling,
247. Dean's biggest purchase was an old

Motorola phone with a snake on it. It's
probably true.

And a pager.

You're smart with your money. I had a
beeper, yeah.

100%. A good purchase.

uh dean thomas versus clavicular that's
that dude who uh he's some streamer he's

like talks about girls like their face
structures and he like makes fun of them

if they don't have their their like
eyebrows like whatever this is

it's like too big

I don't know. I don't know really that
much about him, but I know you've heard

of him.

At X276, Dean Thomas versus Klovic. I
don't know who that is, but you know

I'm saying?

You'll be there. Okay, then I'll take
the fight. If it's an easy fight, I'll

take the fight. Big name at easy fight.

Get this man paid.

Get a couple more to roll the phone.
From Joe Swanson, 5486.

What are Dustin's arms so huge all of a
sudden? Oh, he lifts weights.

Because I'm all peptides. They call me
Peptide Pappy around here.

100%. Peptide Pappy.

What else we got from Aerodynamic?

What is that? Coppercut. For Dustin,
what made you fight Southpaw? I can't

see. Southpaw, despite being a right
-handed guy. All right.

Because when I was like 10, 11 years
old, I started wrestling for a private

club. In wrestling, you put your power
foot forward.

So I always had my rifle forward in
wrestling, and when I started boxing

was 17, I got in the same stance and
didn't know any better, and the guys in

boxing gym didn't know I was right
-handed, and I just learned that way. I

didn't know you started as a wrestler.

Yeah, I wrestled a few years. That was
your real entry into, like, martial arts

and stuff? It's a one -on -one
competition. Yeah, it's a martial arts

-one competition. But he stopped because
he kept jumping the ghillie in

wrestling competition.

What is this guy doing?

All right, we got a couple more from...

Kyre 5 -E -Y -L -M -A -O.

What did George smoke? He don't know
what L -M -A -O is. Well, I mean, it was

all these O's. I didn't know how to
pronounce that.

So what are you smoking?

I'll pick the fifth. I never smoke shit
in my life.

Brisket.

Brisket. George is smoking that brisket.
All right, we got it. Is that it? Is

that all we got?

All right, we got one more coming.

From Randy underscore Singh underscore
9334, looks

maxing.

Anybody got anything on that one? I
don't know what that means. Oh, wait.

right. We got another one. That one,
that was a throwaway. We got at

DariusDay45, Dustin frame mogs
clavicular?

That's that same dude, clavicular. So
Dustin frame mogs.

Mogs, what does that mean?

Mogs is like the –

Huh? We're onks, bro.

We're onks. Hey, English. My kids got to
teach me this, man. What the fuck's

going on? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I definitely – why is Chris – all
right, from KXIDex.

Why do you know who Kavikia or whatever
the name is? Why, Chris? Why do I know

who that is? Yeah, Chris, why do you
know who that is?

I don't know why, actually. Like, he
must have popped up on my Instagram a

couple times or X, but I've seen him.
I've seen him. You know what? I think he

did stuff with Armin, Saruki. You know,
Armin was doing all those, like,

streaming things. I don't know. Somehow
popped up on my feed.

Clavicular, yeah.

I think Rampage Jackson, like, that
whole thing, the live streaming, he's in

that world. That stuff's getting big,
man. Well, I'm okay with being an unk,

then, if I don't know who that is. I'm
okay with it. I'm okay with all that

shit. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Yeah.

I don't know anything outside of this
Spike world. Yeah, and I'm okay with it.

All you got to know is that you'll beat
his ass. Yeah, if they can't whoop me,

I'm good.

They can't whoop me. Well, gentlemen, I
thought it's been real. Hell yeah, bro.

This was fun.

Let's go, boys.

Let's go.

Best MMA show ever.

Deep water. Good luck keeping up with
this one.

So that's going to be it for us. For
Chris Weidman, Dustin Poirier, Jorge

Masvidal, we'll be back next Monday at
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