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And we are live.

And I must be dreaming. I can't believe it. I get a chance to talk fights with

some of my favorite people in the world. And we're not just talking fights.

We are going deep. This is deep waters fueled by monster energy. And we're

deep with a legendary crew. We got my man, former middleweight champion, Chris

Weidman, former interim lightweight champion.

Dustin Poirier and the former and the original BMF champion, Jorge

Maldonado. Now, guys, all show, we will monitor the YouTube chat.

And so, please, don't be afraid. Don't be bashful. Chime in. In fact, we

have some. So let's check the chat right now. What do we got?

Let's see if we got some.

Let's see the trash talk.

Okay, so TFL Prod says, I'm excited for this, guys. We got some fans out there

ready to get this up.

Wildman420 says, let's go for the diamond.

Let's go.

Yeah, here we go.

Why did they put that up? Weidman is a goon.

AN5, no thanks.

Weidman is a goon. Do you want to explain yourself? Is goon, is that a

compliment? I don't know what a goon is, but I have a feeling it's not a nice

thing. Is it a nice thing?

Depends where you're at. Not really a nice thing.

I mean, it is. Does that mean I'm a nerd?

No, I'm quite the opposite.

What is it? Like good looking? Street dude, you know? I am hood. I am hood.

sure. Jorge blessed me with that. He said, why I'm in the street?

Well, I feel like in this entire panel, we're all kind of goons. I mean, the

mean streets of Port St. Lucie? Come on.

Lafayette, baby!

Yeah. Don't get it twisted, man. From all different walks of life, we're all

goons. 100%. Well, let's get right into the show. So UFC 327 took place down in

Miami. It was a fantastic show. Let's start at the top.

Yuri Prohoshka fumbles the bag.

Carlos, and I don't want to put it that way. So Carlos Olberg.

Grabs the bag.

Injured man wins the light heavyweight championship of the world. Knocked out

Yuri Prohaska.

Thoughts, Jorge, I'll come to you first.

Dude, that was crazy, right? For sure. I saw it like three times, and I've seen

Jerry going through the emotions. There's a time that Oberg throws a high

and when he throws it, he lands. And Jerry's telling himself, at least it

to me, that he's like, yeah, he fucked up his leg. Fuck. And it feels like he

wanted him at his best.

It didn't happen, but you still can't take your foot off the gas, man.

Yeah, at one point he, like, pointed down. He started pointing down like he

going to do the Max Holloway. Yeah, but as soon as he engaged, he started

running backwards. Yeah. Yeah, 100 % because, I mean, Carlos hits hard.

But I will say, like, he stopped leg kicking. Like, all of us, if you know

got a guy with an injured leg and the calf kicks were working so good already,

he was falling over and over again.

Just stick with those cast kicks. He put himself into range against the guy who

got the only punch I think he had left because his right leg was injured was

check left hook, which is his best punch.

Boom. I don't know if you noticed, Yuri. Oh, my gosh.

Yuri has a bad habit of keeping his right hand down because Pereira got him

the left hook. You know, that right hand when he lunges forward. The left high

kick as well.

High kick? Yeah, his right hand is down a lot, especially when he's, like, being

aggressive. You know, so it must have been a weird, like, confusing time for

because a part of him doesn't want to win like that. But he also feels like, I

have to get a finish. This guy can hardly walk. So then, like, you know you

to be careful coming inside the pocket against a guy like Carlos Holberg

look what he just did that with Dominic Reyes. Dominic Reyes kind of hesitated.

He slid back as he was coming in and just put him down.

And he felt like, you know, he had to just.

It should be an easy fight. I'm supposed to just win this. He put himself in

that pocket and, man, liked that. Yeah, I think Carlos' hands were a lot faster

than I expected them to be. Who did you pick going into the fight? I picked Uri.

I picked Ober.

I thought Uri, too. No way. All of y 'all picked Uri? I picked Uri. But Ober

just a little more disciplined, I feel.

With the hands, just as good as an athlete or better, but he's a little bit

tighter, a little bit more.

I thought the unpredictability of Yuri was going to give him problems because

you never know. You can't train for that. He doesn't know what he's going to

I think if you thought about it, when I started getting close to the fight, I'm

like, Carlos might be the worst matchup for Yuri because he's very tall, he's

long, and he's so good at sliding out of range, getting you to try to get into

the pocket and then making you pay there. And he's got way heavier hands

people give him credit for. And Yuri's thing is to try to get it. his head

inside the pocket, rely on his eyes to barely slip out of the way of a punch

then come out hard with his punches where he finishes. And as of recently,

been doing that. Like, Uri's defense has improved.

Like, when you look at his recent fights against, you know, Khalil Roundtree and

Jamal Hill, like, he's flipping punches while he's throwing. I thought he'd be

able to get inside and do that against Carlos and apparently not. Yeah. And

also, the longer that fight went, I thought it was going to help.

be a benefit for Yuri because he's been in those big fights before. He's fought

for the title now. That was his fourth time fighting for the title, five

So he's had that experience.

And Carlos, man, that moment could get you, your first title fight, and you're

going against a guy as unorthodox and as dangerous as Yuri. I thought that could

have been too much for him. So Carlos hurts his leg.

I don't really know what happened. He hurts his leg.

But he showed a different

level, a different side of him that we haven't seen from him. Like he showed,

like it didn't distract him because most people might have quit. Most people

would have just been like, look at my leg. I need to get out of here. But he

showed a different side that we hadn't seen from him. And that was with the

championship mentality that he has. Yeah. I got to be honest. That's a good

point because I remember when I broke my leg in half.

I should have kept that Carlos mindset.

You should have kept going. I should have been correct. You should have kept

going, yeah. With the bones hanging out. I should have kicked his ass, though. I

was there. You were there like a nunchuck. I was not.

Like a nunchuck.

It was like a sword.

Yeah, bro.

But I think one of the bigger storylines is Uri has spoken out and said that he

showed mercy.

Bro. Come on. I got to.

This is.

I don't think so.

To me, it looked like he was playing with his food. It looked like he knew he

was hurt. He was trying to set up a big finish.

That's what I thought.

I don't think it was mercy, man. I think there was a moment of – I thought he

had like a moment of mercy, but then it was like I got to finish this dude.

And Carlos was just too much. He kept his focus and Yuri didn't. All right, so

want to hear when Yuri talks about this. I want to see when he talks about this.

We got plays. We got plays. We got videos. Thank you all for support.

Just checking the jaw.

here in hospital and uh big apologies for my performance

tonight still can't understand this this

my stupid mercy in the fight and that cost me

this fight so

I would like to fight the rematch. All right.

I feel for the guy. You got to feel. I mean, I feel for him, too. You guys seen

the movie Troy? Oh, yeah. When the guy falls and he's like, I'm not going to

a pebble take away my grace, you know, whatever.

And that's kind of, I think, how Jerry feels. He saw this like, this is not how

I wanted to win the title. In that split second of that.

Do you really think he felt a little mercy? Not mercy, but just like.

From what I saw, when Carlos throws that high kick and he falls and he's like,

oh, yeah, his leg is messed up. I wanted him at his best. I think he was saying

not necessarily maybe mercy, but just like, fuck, I didn't want it down to go

like this. And he already thought at that moment, I think he's like, oh, I

this in the bag. Because I didn't see that. What I saw was a guy who saw a

wounded man in front of him, and he was still kicking at the legs. And when he

wasn't kicking at the legs, he was.

Trying to point down to say, let's just stay in the pocket and trade.

To me, that sounds like he was ready. He did no mercy. But he was giving him a

chance. Giving him a chance.

He's not going to be working footwork anymore. That's out the window. That's

respectable.

Let's point down. Let's give you your only shot.

Get back out of there quick, though. He ran straight back. Yeah, he got out of

there. I thought he was trying to set up a big finish. Like, this guy's hurt.

lure him into something, hit him with the elbow, something crazy. I love

the cat. I would have just kept kicking the cat. One thing you can't deny,

though, is that there was definitely a lack of focus in Uri at that point. His

game plan went out the window of working his way in smart into the pocket to

land the shots.

he bailed on that completely. He just put himself right in there, into that

check hook, you know, which if he wasn't hurt, we wouldn't have seen that, you

know. Think about it. If he just used footwork and just kept kicking the calf

whatever he wanted to do, he'd go back to the right. But you go back to the

corner, they're probably stopping the fight, right, because he could hardly

walk, you know. Yeah, I think so.

And I had to take with Chael on the road with Chael. We do the show after.

And, yeah, when I, yeah, when I, so.

After the fight, I'm sitting there thinking, is Uri a choke artist?

Now, it's a bit unfair to say he's a choke artist. We're talking about a guy

who's got so many big wins. So he may not be a choke artist, but did he choke

this moment?

Yes. I mean, I think he choked in this moment. That's why I think it's killing

him right now when you see him in that hospital.

he knows that fight was, it was his fight to win. It was in the bag. Yeah,

was his bag to fumble. And we talked about this on the death show too, pre

-show, is one of the biggest things for Carlos to do is calf kick and Yuri.

because Uri's been hurt a bunch with calf kicks. He has a hard time defending

that. And to see that Uri started hurting him with calf kicks early, you

and I don't know what ultimately ended to his ACL tear or LCL, whatever

in his knee tore, but it could have been the calf kicks. You know, it could have

been just that damage. It looked like when he went and sat down on the right

hand, you could see it explode, but it might have been just the culmination of

those calf kicks adding up and something, you know, some issue going on

knee. So what happens with Carlos now? That happened too with Anderson Silva,

remember, when he was defending the belt against the Canadian guy, flipping his

name right now. Patrick Cote?

Was it Patrick Cote had the same injury, right? He pulled back and something

happened to his knee. Patrick Cote, yeah, yeah.

All right, so Carlos Oberg, obviously something's wrong with his leg. We don't

know yet.

But in the future, who are his better contenders? I think it's most likely

Yeah. and it's going to require surgery, and you know it's going to be six

months, seven months before he's even back on the mat.

So what does the UFC do for the light heavyweight division?

Is there an interim belt?

Because it's been crazy ever since John left and then Pereira moved up.

Who's the next contender?

Yeah, it might be a year until he's back. So, like, we kind of almost have

get them out.

Eliminate him from the conversation. Yeah, I think he's kind of out.

So I think we have, like, Ankaliev is in there, Jan Blachowicz.

So you make an interim ballot?

I think you have to do an interim, or I don't know how the UFC does it. They

strip them of it. I mean, but think about that. Like, they just, like, if

moves up, they have a vacant belt. Now the guy wins it, now they make an

belt. Well, what happened with Uri? Uri, he had an injury, and he had to give up

the belt. He actually had to give up the belt. He had a shoulder injury, right?

Right. So did he vacate? He vacated the belt. Then Jamal Hill won the belt, and

then he got injured. He tore his Achilles playing basketball. I was at

too. Jamal Hill could hoop, by the way. But, yeah, but he tore his Achilles.

Even when he's big.

I saw him Saturday. He's big. He's big right now.

So you think they just find a new crop of guys to start working on? The thing

is, everybody who's right at that level to fight for the belt or interim belt

has just recently fought for it. I know.

And the big names, like Pereira was the big name at 205.

And I don't really know, like Ankalayev isn't the big name.

Jan Blachowicz, you know, he's just older.

You know, he's like 42 years old. You know, does the UFC give him another

So who do you have? You had that dude Azamat Merzakhanov who just fought and

lost to Paul Costa. He was ranked sixth. You got a speed rocket Paul Acosta in

the mix. That's what I say. That's my thing right there. Put Paul Acosta right

in the mix.

Right now, because he's already got the name, even at middleweight, but he just

beat a guy who they were trying to push. I think they was putting Azamat on this

card to kind of showcase him to maybe fight for the title. And then he gets

knocked out by Paulo Costa.

You got to inject Paulo Costa. Bro, I got to give Paulo Costa a try, though.

Every fight, I think, is a tough one for him. It's a tough one for him for sure.

You know, this dude was ranked 14th at middleweight.

He goes up. Now he's in the top five of the division probably. And we're talking

about him getting rushed right into a title fight. It's kind of crazy.

And I think the reason why he was 14th ranked is because he's been so inactive.

He doesn't really.

Fight that off.

But anyway, let's talk good about him. In this fight, I thought he looked

amazing. Yeah. Because Merzikhanov, his power in his left hand is insane. So

Polo started off the fight really using his footwork, staying at bay, staying

away from the power.

And then as the fight, you know, and landing heavy body kicks, heavy leg

heavy high kicks, and shut down the left hand of Merzikhanov. And then next

thing you know, you got to see the best vintage Polo Katsu we've seen where he

walks forward and tries to get the finish. It was awesome. Bro, nobody gets

headlocked anymore.

And, like, the women's division.

A lot of free back picks when they headlock.

Headlock throw.

I was like, nobody gets headlocked, and then he gets headlocked. Dude, I like

Secret Juice at 205.

There's a bunch of fun fights for him, and I know for sure from experience,

going up a weight class, his quality of life, training camp, fight week is much

more enjoyable.

And he's older, you know. He's older. As we get older, he can't get weight the

same. He's big.

And he wasn't, like, when you talked to him on the post -fight show, he wasn't

into, like, he didn't want to commit to 205. I'm like, bro, you're a 205

pounder. You just be the number six guy. You're ranked 14th.

He didn't want to commit now? After just doing that? He didn't want to commit.

What happened to him and Jerry? I think he will, but. That's a fun one. Who was

that? Him and Jerry?

There's a massive difference in size, though.

I know Yuri did look pretty small, like up in there against, even in his last

fight. No, but he thinks Polo's a little smaller than Yuri. You think Polo's

smaller than Yuri?

Yuri actually talked about going down to 85. I agree. When you look at Yuri's

structure, he's still Polo.

Dominic Reyes and Goliath, all these guys are considerably smaller. I don't

if it makes sense, but if I was matchmaker, I think Polo and Khalil

a fun fight.

That's a banger.

No, not for the title. Not yet.

I say you do that fight as a title

eliminator.

Yeah. And then what happens with the belt right now?

You just let it chill.

Yeah, but what if he's out for a year?

I mean, but still, there's still so much movement that needs to happen anyway.

You know, it's not like there's this clear -cut guy who needs to fight for it

right now anyway. So might as well just let them keep it until they kind of

figure all that stuff out. So you do, like, Uncle Ive versus John. Need some

blood at 205, though. Need some new blood at 205.

Yeah, 100%. And it looks like Carlos, I mean, Paulo Costa might be that new

blood. Yep.

Speaking of new blood, Josh Hokett. Oh, man.

Josh Hokit. Speaking of new blood, Josh Hokit. I mean, he owned the entire week

in Miami.

He's probably the hottest thing out right now in MMA.

He's, you know, he had the great fight against Curtis Blade.

So let's talk about that fight. So first off, did you guys expect that

performance from either guy?

Hell no. That performance, I don't think anybody could ever expect that. That

was one of the greatest fights I've ever seen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but

usually when you talk like that, you don't fight like that. He's so in

Now I'm looking at everything in reverse. I thought maybe he was nervous

moment. He was just this weird. He's just so in control that he could get

reactions out of anybody, even me. I'm not the easiest to get reactions off.

dude.

This guy loves it. I'm sold.

And then he goes out there and fights like that. It just usually doesn't go

in hand.

I've been back and forth on him, man. Like when he first two fights in the

like at the apex, he was a little bit more quiet, got the win. Then he jumped

the mic and got into character. And I thought it was fun. But then this fight

week. I was like, it's too much. He's got five different characters he's

to pretend to be.

So I kind of got off the bandwagon. But then he fights like that. I'm back on

the bandwagon. So I'm back and forth with him. I want to see him fight.

Like pre -fight, I was unsure too on my band. This guy's got multiple

personalities, and it's like too much. The gimmick is like. And it's only his

third fight. It's only his third fight in the UFC.

Third fight in the UFC. He's going against the number five ranked dude,

Blades. Which is maybe the worst matchup for him. Worst matchup. He's got the

most takedowns in the history of the heavyweight division. Top time, I think.

Yeah.

And he's fought the who's who of the heavyweight division.

Here's a fun fact. When Curtis Blades was fighting Francis Ngannou, that was a

year before.

Hokit made his mixed martial arts debut.

So that's how quick this guy has moved up the ranks and made a name for himself

by fighting this way, but also by the character he's playing. It makes you

to watch. Whether he's going to win or lose, you're tuning in to see. I have

friends hitting me up that don't watch MMA asking me about this dude, Josh

Hokit, before the fight happened. Like, yo, what's your take on this dude? You

think he's good and all that? I'm like, I don't know. But when you have dudes

who don't really watch MMA talking about him, I think after this fight, he might

be the biggest star in the UFC.

It's working because I just worked for Paramount for the fights on Saturday,

I've spoke more about this guy than anyone on the whole card. So from a

perspective, this is why I like him because I know.

athletes are never the same on fight night everybody's really good in the gym

they're never the same on fight night they let the pressure get to them they

the nerves get to them and some guys are afraid to even open up and talk trash

because the pressure and they don't want to have to live up live up to it now

we're talking about a guy who spent an entire week with the cringiest three

of all time all each one of them individually was as cringy as the other

right

And he was able to, despite that, live up to that and give a performance like

that. To me, that is remarkable. The level of comfort that this guy has

the cage.

It's remarkable to me. I agree.

You put so much pressure on yourself when you start bringing all that

to you because, oh, my God, what if I go in there and I get knocked out?

It's extra embarrassing after doing all that talking. There's very few guys that

we have seen who could talk the talk and then actually walk the walk.

And when he went out there in that first round, he almost finished Curtis

Blades. Credit to Curtis Blades. But in that first round, almost finished him.

I'm like, damn, this dude is actually doing what he's – what we would want him

to do, you know? Yeah, the Pee Wee Herman cringe and just like – Pee Wee

Yeah,

and you got to give Curtis his props. I was just about to say that. You can't

talk about Josh without Curtis. You can't have one without the other. He was

joker to the Batman. I think he's got a broken orbital bone. He's got something

with his jaw. Broke his nose as well. Broke his nose. And that was first round

he broke his nose. So, you know, his cardio was good. These guys were well

prepared. Yeah, I wonder what was keeping Curtis in there. Like he –

mean, obviously – He just couldn't believe it. There's no way.

There's no way. I think that's what it was. He's going to get tired now.

He hadn't have been thinking that. He hadn't have been thinking there's no way

that this guy should be hanging with me, so I can't give up now.

You know, I also felt like, you know, we were talking about all the pressure on

Josh Hoka going in there with all the trash talk and, you know, his bits that

was doing. But I think the pressure probably got on Curtis Blades being

and just trying to focus on his job.

Because in that first round, it looked like he was kind of a deer in

He was getting hit with shots, and he wasn't even moving his head. He's like,

how am I being hit with this? He just hit him. Yeah. He just jumped on him

away. There's a lot of pressure when you talk the way.

Hoker was talking all fight week and you've got to go perform. But there's a

of pressure on the other side. When you're supposed to beat this new guy,

been the guy who's been there and done that. You're supposed to make this guy

look like he's levels below you. So that's a lot of pressure as well.

You know what it was like, bro. You went against Conor McGregor three times.

So there's nobody who talks better and trash talks as much as Conor McGregor.

Pressure -wise going into those fights, how was that? Can you relate to how

Curtis Blades felt?

Conor's different because, like,

He's better at it than Hokit, obviously.

He's probably one of the best guys ever to talk trash and try to get the most

out of you in press conferences and get in your head. But the way Hokit went

about it was more just like it was fun. It wasn't like he was attacking Curtis

that much or breaking him down or telling him he sucks. It was different.

He didn't cross the line. He wasn't talking about family. I think the worst

thing he said to Curtis Blades was like,

Do you guys know how to make ugly kids? What sexual position makes ugly kids?

Oh, yeah.

Curtis Blades' parents.

I think that might have been the most, like, you know, the worst thing he

possibly did. And that's fair. That's fun.

This is what I said about Hokit and his bit, was that he's not selling fights.

He's selling himself.

And I think that's important for a lot of fighters to understand, is that

fighters go out there and feel as though they need to sell a fight, which then,

you know, once that fight's over, then what?

But for Hokit, he's selling himself. So it doesn't really matter who he fights

because he did such a good job of just selling himself that I just want to see

him fight whoever. It doesn't even matter for me. But also he fights

there's a lot of guys that try to do these business. Don't fight. They're

sniffing crotches. This guy is fucking fighting. Yeah, for sure. When you fight

like that, you could get away with murder.

And you become a superstar.

Talk to me and walk the walk. I really, I seriously thought like, yeah, Curtis

is going to smoke this dude first quarter.

He's out of there and then, bro. One other thing, this dude was a two -time

division one All -American. So you would think he's just going to try to get the

takedown. He didn't shoot one takedown.

You know, not one damn take. He showed his defense, though. He showed his

defense 100%, but he went out there and put on a show.

But I tell you what.

We're going to see the offensive wrestling in this next one, I think.

You don't stand across from Derrick Lewis and take those same shots or take

same risks. Oh, hell no. And if you do, God bless you. Yeah, so, I mean,

obviously that fight got announced that he's going to fight Derrick Lewis at the

White House. It got announced when he was still in the cage.

I was like, how did this happen so fast?

Like, what an opportunity to make a big fight and just really elevate the entire

White House card.

Yeah, it makes it a lot more fun. It makes it fun. I think I saw something.

Trump might have had something to do with that.

With the fight happening. I think Trump was on the phone with Derrick Lewis and

he asked Derrick Lewis, hey, why aren't you on the White House card? And then

somehow Dana was on a live, like he was doing like, I don't know, Instagram live

or whatever.

And he was like, we have a new fight after Hokut won. Well, we have that. So

let's play that.

Okay.

Derrick, the president just asked me why you're not on the card.

Do you want to fight on the White House card? And he goes, of course I do.

Tell the president, thank you. I want to do it.

Then the Hokut card plays out.

The fight plays out. You beat the number five ranked guy in the world. And Joe

Rogan says, is there still room on the White House card? We went back and

to him.

Polkett versus Derrick Lewis was just added to the White House card in the

10 minutes.

President Trump built half of that fight and Rogan built the other half.

Both guys have accepted and agreed for the fight.

That's great. That's crazy, right? You got the president. I love that type of

matchmaker, too. That's a story in itself.

I love that. For sure. I love that. Poker's going to be a fucking name now,

know? Like, shit. Because I could see him easily just beating there with the

right strategy, you know? He could run right through them. I know, like, DC has

talked about that. And it's crazy that Derrick Lewis has been there, done it,

has crazy power still to this day, and we're putting this guy, you know? DC

it. You grab Derek Lewis's leg and he just falls down.

I mean, I'm not saying Cormier and Josh Hoka are the same level of wrestling,

but Hoka's got good wrestling. And if he's smart, he goes out there and just

takes them down, mounts them, and just ground them, pounds them. But, I mean,

it's not as simple as that because when you think about it, like DC is the only.

guy to really do that to derrick like other guys like even curtis blades like

all them guys tried to take him down he was still able to get back up and knock

him out so it's not as simple as him just getting the getting the takedown

is an interesting fight because of if hokit goes out there and has any

of that fight of what it looked like against curtis blades he's getting

out oh yeah you can't get hit like the like the way you got by by blades

No. With Derek Lewis. Hell no.

He's got the most knockouts in the heavyweight division.

Big puncher. Most knockouts in the history of the UFC. There you go. Of any

division, which is insane.

Well, guys, this was great, but we are going to take a quick 20 -second break.

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Dustin Poirier, Jorge Masvidal.

Guys also on the weekend, I thought Cub Swanson, he had his swan song.

What a great career Cub has had, and what just a moment for him to have that

type of performance in his final performance here in Miami.

His last two performances, he knocked out Billy Q.

Then he comes out here and does this to Nate.

It doesn't look like he needs to walk away from the sport, but he's just at a

place. But that's the best time.

That's the best time when you don't need to and you can. You have a storybook

ending here. Your wife and kids are Kate's side. The president of the United

States is Kate's side. I mean, you go out there and do this on your

Yeah, he looked great. He looked great. He looked sharp. He looked powerful. I

don't know if it was post -fight or if he was talking. He came to it with us.

But he said something like, you know, he's happy to be done. It's not like he

has any regrets.

We all know the anxiety and the amount of nerves and just stress that comes to

your life building up to a fight over and over and over again. He's 42 years

old. And you have a family and stuff. At some point, it's like, bro.

kind of want to just relax a little bit because, man, this is a stressful game.

It is. I think about that. Like, you're 42 years old. He's been doing this for a

really long time. Really long time. And it never goes away. You know what I'm

saying? Like, that stress never goes away. He was a young pro, too, I

Yeah, I remember.

2004 was his first pro debut.

Ooh, which is crazy. Then he was in the WC forever. Then had a long UFC career.

That's where I first saw him. You know what I like? Like, the first time I seen

him was when he got.

Was it a flying knee? The double knee, the double tap. Holy.

I never seen that in my life.

So no one has ever done that before or after. Well, you can't block them both.

You can't block them both.

You can't block them both. But, like, he wasn't defined by that moment. No, no,

no. Yeah, exactly.

And he was like a crazy highlight.

Bro,

he ran through this dude, Lambert.

Ran through him. Did he get touched?

No. Oh, he had a small little. Like a little. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't even think that dude threw a punch. Very creative striker too.

Very. Yeah. Yeah.

Unorthodox. Good timing.

He was doing that.

He's a really good boxer. He kicked elbows.

He's got good ground game too. And he told me after the fight, when he came

with us, he told us all that.

He's really found a passion for helping the younger generation. So with his new

gym, he just opened Bloodline.

That's what he wants to do. He wants to give his time and experience back to

young fighters and help them. So that's good. You know, Cub's the perfect guy to

do that, I think.

Yeah, for sure. He talked about, like, what helped him as he got older.

was not really listening to what just coaches tell them to do if they can't

why they're telling them to do it. So that's like a smart, mature way of going

through this stuff because a lot of us, you know, you go to a fight camp and

your coach tells you to do something and you don't think about, you know, why

we're doing this. You know what's funny about that? When he put that out, I had

like three different people that I work with and sent that to me.

And I was like, please, anytime.

I ask you to do something, challenge me. I feel like all coaches should be

challenged by their athletes. If you can't answer the why, then why are you

telling them to do it? Hey, Shelf puts great coaches in his corner because when

I fought him in London, he was missing shots. I was blocking shots in his

corner. I could hear him through the cage yelling towards the judges, that

great shot. You heard him. I'm like, he didn't land that. His coaches are

winning the round on the judges' cards.

Sometimes that is a good coach. Yeah. Oh, he doesn't like that. I'm like, it

didn't hit me. Longo and Matt Sever, they were the best with that. Everything

did was devastating. Yeah.

The judges hear it. The judges hear it, man.

100%. Yeah, but I thought his retirement was special.

Like, he got the package. He won the fight in an impressive fashion. Not many

guys get to do that. Like, Robbie Lawler did it.

Chiesa did it in Seattle last weekend. He got a chance to do it in Miami.

Dustin, I want to talk about your retirement.

How did you feel?

I didn't get to do it.

But you still had this pageantry about your retirement.

Where do you rank that in terms of all -time MMA retirement?

Compared to the rest, I would have loved to be on the Robbie Lawler side where I

knock somebody out in my retirement or the Cub Swanson side, but it was cool,

man. Being back home in the city of New Orleans, a lot of friends and family who

don't get to travel the world to watch me fight.

in the building.

Just the idea of the UFC entertaining my thoughts about retiring back home, them

saying yes was a big deal to me, you know, because UFC, it's hard to bring an

idea to them and get them to jump on board. But for this, when I talked about

it, they said, well, make it happen. And they did. Louisiana got behind it. UFC

got behind my idea.

And Max was a great opponent, you know, champion.

a great fighter, a fun fighter, a dog. That was the kind of fight I wanted in

retirement. And they gave it to me, man. It was a good fight too. I mean, there

were moments where he hurt me. I hurt him for sure.

Yeah. I guess you kind of want that in your retirement fight. Chris, should I

ask you, Chris, or should we just like, bro, but

I will say, I don't think there's ever like a perfect way to retire because

you're like a part of you is always going to want something. You, if you, if

it's perfect as far as like, Look at Cub. He just absolutely crushed it. I

like you kind of always, that fighter in you, always wants to come back and do a

little bit more.

Because I know Robbie Lawler, he still wants to fight. I thought his was, like,

perfect. He still isn't to get back in there. So I feel like that fighter in us

is always never really fully retired.

For sure. Just being at the fights, every fight I go to, I'm like, I can

these guys. I don't know if that's ever going to leave. Yeah, yeah. Well, you

can beat these guys. That's the thing because you have beat these guys. Like

Benoit Saint -Denis.

There's like four or five guys that you've beaten that are still winning in

UFC. I think all the guys that I beat in the UFC are now retired or dead.

Come on, man.

My heyday was like 13 years ago.

I've been out for a while, you know.

Yeah, they're doing good. Some of those wins are aging well, man. Yeah, that's

got to feel good. For sure.

Well, who's left in the UFC that you have fought?

Actually, I don't know if anybody is, bro. Really? Oh, Gaslam.

Okay, Gaslam. And we don't know how long that's going to last after that

performance on Saturday night. Well, it's two in a row for him. But Vicente

Luque had a few losses in a row. And he's going up in weight.

Yeah. Right? And to lose like that, that's a tough loss. I don't know, man.

he's had trouble making weight.

You know, I think probably the UFC might be frustrated with him.

So I don't know. He has to be making weight at 85 now? Yeah, bro. I think the

fight before this one, he didn't make weight. Ooh.

Yeah. Bro, he's got to be dead because in person he's not a huge guy. Yeah. You

know, he's not that big of a guy.

When I fought him, I'll be honest, like I was like, I thought he was playing

possible. He felt really weak to me. Yeah. You know, but.

Yeah, there was one or two guys like that. He's weak, but that's why he's got

great cardio.

Sometimes they're not as strong. They're not using all their muscles in

different situations because their endurance is just so good. He's one of

dudes who just gets better and better as the fight goes on. You also fought

Dominic Reyes, too.

Oh, that's true. I don't like that fight.

That was not a good fight.

I think I put that on my memory. I forgot I fought him. I have one that

actually brought back just so I can have this point right now.

Jeremy Stephens.

Yeah. Wait, you fought Jeremy Stevens? Yeah. Oh, that's crazy.

He's fighting again in the UFC coming up, right? Yeah, he's fighting King

He's fighting King Green. That's a fun matchup. Yeah.

He's a tough dude, man. Yeah. He's a tough dude. That's the only time I've

Dean Thomas shoot ever, I think.

Yeah.

He turned you into a wrestler?

Yeah, he turned me into a wrestler. I didn't want to get hit by that guy.

He did not want to get hit by that guy.

So UFC 327 took place in Miami. What other...

What other storylines or events or things got you guys excited?

Well, I'll say, like, well, let's talk about what – Mateo Gamrot getting the

dub, getting the finish. That was big.

Shout out to the teammate.

Because, you know, I come from a background.

Yeah, yeah.

Like, his technique on his takedowns is amazing. I love watching it. The way he

– at one point he had a single leg, and the way he brought it up like a

traditional wrestler would, and you don't see it that often. His timing with

shots, too.

His opponent threw an overhand and missed. All game right there was change

levels. Just duck down, let the guy fall over him, and get up into a high

crotch. When I see a guy like that, I'm like, man. Yeah, his cardio. He's nice

to have, like, good knees. I think his knees are good. When he's up and down,

I'm like, oh, that's got to feel good. Yeah, you were just telling me you can't

even run. Yeah, I can't run. He'll do six, seven, eight rounds hard back -to

-back without even breaking a sweat. This guy's got, like, a next -level

gastric. Didn't always know any of that top team, but.

He's a hard worker, man.

The world's cheesy because this guy just calls endlessly, man. Well, let's talk

about this fight. So we had the Cub Swanson fight, which was picture perfect

him. And then the fight after that was probably the worst fight maybe of all

time. Johnny Walker. Let's not talk about that one. I think that was a gift

us. And this is the one I had circled. This is going to be a double knockout.

Something crazy is happening.

Both of them have been hurt.

bad a lot like johnny walker we've all seen the videos of him running around

you know the the canvas you know trying to keep his balance after getting hit

with a shot and then dom ray is coming off a terrible knockout terrible again

over up against old bird and he had just got things right back on track too like

you know like as you get older and you've been hit like that like you're

hesitant like to come into the pocket because you're like bro i don't want

to happen again you know like sometimes experience actually plays like it's a

negative Because when you're young, you just go.

You're slipping and you're ripping. You don't give a crap, oh, he might come

with a check left hook. Ignorance is bliss, man.

Ignorance is bliss. And as you get older, you probably get better. You

even better in the gym. But when you're inside that octagon, the negative

thoughts start playing in your head and you just start thinking a little bit

more. I know I felt that in my career as I got older.

Like I was better than probably ever in the gym.

And then when I get in there.

as I'm about to, like, really, I want to connect on this, I start thinking, oh,

wait, he could throw the left hook here. That might hit me. I got to keep this

hand up. Like, things that I wouldn't think about when I was younger started

playing in my head, and it's a negative, you know?

I know exactly what you're talking about, man.

Yeah, that fight was absolutely trash. But you know who wasn't trash? Aaron

Pico. Yep.

Aaron Pico, he delivered, man. Aaron Pico, so, like, everything that you

about him.

prior to coming to the UFC, and then obviously he fought Lerone Murphy. It

didn't go his way, but he came out and fought Pitbull.

Now, I know Pitbull's a little older, but Pitbull has a style that aged well.

So you can't take anything away from the performance of Aaron Pico. I mean, he

went out there. He boxed beautifully.

He wrestled beautifully. He controlled the entire fight. I thought he looked

amazing. I thought he looked like a great addition to the featherweight

division. You've seen him hesitant for the first time in his career, right?

the first round came out, and, you know, usually he's just running forward like

what he did to Lerone. Murphy.

He just dragged him to deep water in the first three minutes.

This is the first time I've ever seen him. He was very hesitant to get in the

pocket, which I didn't think was a good thing at first. He got rocked with a

couple shots.

Sometimes when you're worried about your chin, you need to get hit a couple

times. I'm still here.

Then you see him pick it up as the fight went on. I like how he added in his

wrestling because we know he's one of the greatest wrestlers to ever come into

the sport.

He's one of the best boxers, I think, in the sport too. It was good to see him

Rip that band -aid off of getting his first win in the UFC.

So now maybe we can see a little bit more freedom in him when he comes out

his next one. But I do want to see him against UFC caliber guys. Because I

always thought he could beat this guy over at Bellator. But now I want to see

him against the UFC's best.

Because he's been doing it for a while. I know the Murph fight didn't go his

way. But I want to see him against the UFC's best. I want to see him fight

Moxar. I thought Moxar dodged a bullet by avoiding him.

And I won't say avoiding him. He may be injured or whatever the reason was.

Mozart did not fight him. I don't know what the reason was, but Mozart did not

fight him. But Mozart did beat the guy that ended him, though.

Yeah, but still stylistically.

I want to see Mozart for the battle. But stylistically, Aaron Pico matches up

well with him better than anybody.

Definitely better stand up, more powerful on the feet, and better wrestle

Can wrestle back into him. Yeah, 100%. But I still pick Mozart to win that

fight. He just finds a way to win. I mean, he's a good fighter.

Shout out to Moser. Is he fighting for the title next? Is it confirmed?

He deserves it. He deserves it. If it's not confirmed, that's crazy, man. 10 -0.

The Murph fight was exciting, man.

He wants to fight him.

Volk wants to fight Evloev, but who knows what the UFC does.

I don't know who else there is.

I'm interested to see who they get Pico next, you know, because there's so many

fun fights you can match up. So many fun fights for Pico. Yeah, at 45, there's

so many fun fights, so many bangers. The only thing with Pico I'm worried about

is, like, once he starts fighting those refined strikers, like, he's...

All of his movements are so big, he's looking for a knockout, and he puts

himself in harm's way.

If he would pull that back a little bit, and I think we saw it there, he did a

little bit, slow down just a little bit, use his wrestling, be a little bit

smarter defensively, but he's always looking for such a big shot. Even though

has the technique, he puts himself in harm's way, and that's what we've seen

with him getting finished in the past.

Him being over -aggressive. I know who he could fight, that Argentinian kid,

Aiejo, I think.

The one that just beat up... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that dude.

Oh,

yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great fight.

That's a great fight, bro. And that dude could wrestle defensively. He kind of

looks like... And boxed.

Yeah, like a... You know, that thing, similar thing.

Yeah. Oh, that guy's scary, though. Yeah, max level speed, great timing,

power. How's his rest one and stuff, though? Ali, in this fight, there wasn't

too much. In his last fight, there was two exchanges, I think, where they got

into his leg and he immediately sprawled the guy. It wasn't even close. With

Josh Emmett? With Josh Emmett. Josh Emmett got to his legs twice.

That's a great matchup. You got Josh Emmett shooting, who I think he's

got the most powerful, probably maybe one of the most knockouts in the

Yeah. And you got him shooting.

I've never seen anybody do Emmett like that. And I think Emmett's a stud. Like,

Emmett could do it all. And he just, like, drew a line in the same. He's

every time you cross, I'm going to make you pay. And he beat the brakes off of

him. All right, fellas. Before we go to break, I do want to circle back.

to Josh Hoke in that great heavyweight fight and just get you guys' thoughts on

it. That's your favorite fighter now. I do like him right now, but just the top

heavyweight fights of all time.

Because, I mean, a lot of people are talking about that one being the top

heavyweight fight of all time. But what are some of your favorites? Of all time?

Like number one? Nah.

I think it's up there, man, as far as entertainment. Top ten. Top ten for

For sure top ten. I'm putting it at top three.

So one of my favorite memorable ones is it wasn't a full fight, but that Czech

-Congo versus Pat Barrett fight. Great fight. Banger. That's like our Tommy

Hearns versus Marvin Hagler type.

That fight was insane. Bigfoot and Mark Hunt, the first one? Yeah. That was a

war. And then Junior Dos Santos and Cain Velasquez, I think, too, was another

one. Yeah.

Two and three were both wars, too.

I mean, this wasn't like the most technical fight. Some of the pride

too, man. Heavyweight division was crazy. With Fedor. Yeah, man.

Yeah.

What was the one when they were uppercutting each other? The hockey

Don Fry?

Don Fry. I can't remember his opponent, but with the crazy hair.

It was a hockey fight. They were holding each other's heads.

Oh, here we go. This is the Pat Barabas.

Oh, man.

That was not.

Bader versus Noguera. Those are classic.

absolute classics.

It's hard. It's relevant.

It's like, you know, for me, it was so damn exciting, especially with like the

buildup. We didn't know what this dude was going to be able to do.

So good. Right. He's like top five. He's so dangerous. I always thought he was

going to be a champion Curtis, but you know, he's just a really good wrestler.

Who's huge. And he's got heavy hands.

But I think you have to add that into the context of why it was so great

you didn't expect it from either guy. It wasn't like the most beautiful

technical battle, but it was just heart and grit on the line. And it was coming

off the Dominic Reyes -Johnny Walker fight.

That's what made it even better. That's what made it even better.

Because we was all asleep until Josh Hooker came out.

That fight was the last one, I think, on CBS.

Yeah. And that was supposed to be pulling people over to Paramount+. Yeah,

man. The poor people that didn't go over to Paramount+.

messed up because, damn, that fight was sick. Oh, before we go, I said we were

going to go before, but did you guys hear Kevin Holland bought $100 ,000 a

horse? I don't know if it was multiple horses or one horse, but $100 ,000 he

spent on one horse.

One horse he spent.

That's an amazing horse. Yeah.

That's from his purse. Like, that's crazy to me.

I think there's big money on horses. I don't really know a horse game like

It's like an investment. It's like buying a stock, I think. Take it to a

racetrack right away. If it wins.

If it wins. What's the craziest thing you bought with your fight money?

A yacht?

Well, nah.

Probably some shit I can't say online, but I did buy my dad a nice car because

he liked the old school cars. I got a Shelby 1968.

Oh, yeah. The old school one. Yeah, I got it from my pops after one of my big

fights. I love that. Yeah, I pulled up on him.

I had somebody drive it up. I was like, hey, that's a nice car. You like it? He

was like, yeah, that's a nice car. I was like, it's yours. Wow.

Gave him the keys. That was pretty crazy.

Dustin, how about you?

Biggest?

I'm not sure if I splurged and bought something crazy after a fight, but one

spin that I did make that comes to mind is after my first bonus in the UFC, I

got a $65 ,000 bonus back maybe in 2011 or 2012 when the bonuses were $65 ,000.

When they gave them to you in the locker room as a check, now you've got to wait

for the wire to clear.

Lorenzo used to come in with a handwritten check and hand it to you in

locker room. Congrats, you won a bonus. But I got me and my wife out of debt. I

paid off her car, paid off her student loans, spent some cash there.

It was a smart purchase.

That's a family man purchase right there. I like that.

I bought my mom a car. I think that was a big one. I bought some ATVs after one

fight, a couple ATVs. I bought myself like a big truck that I'd lost crazy

on. It was the stupidest purchase ever.

They told me if I have residential plates on it, I'm good, and I could

on the highways and stuff like that. And then I started getting tickets after

tickets because I'm not supposed to be on the highway with it. It was too heavy

in New York.

And so I had to sell it like three months later. I lost like $30 ,000 on

thing. So that was a dumb purchase.

Yeah. Well, for me, I fought in the early 2000s, so I was just trying to pay

bills.

Bought yourself a laptop after a fight. I bought myself a cell phone. I got a

cell phone. Yeah, yeah. I bought a prepaid cell phone. Got your next cell.

Yeah.

Yes.

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Earlier this week, actually Saturday night, it was announced that one of the

highest profile athletes that we've seen in a while signed to the UFC, Gable

Steveson, signed to the UFC.

Yeah, that was a big deal.

Yeah, so how do you feel about this, Chris?

I think it's amazing timing, especially with Hokit doing his thing, because the

heavyweight division has kind of been in disarray. You know, with Jon Jones

possibly fighting, now you've got Alex Pereira coming up, Aspinall dealing with

his eye injuries, you know, giving up the belt. It's just you need some big

names. You need some depth there. And to have a guy like Gable Stevenson,

Olympic champion, coming in, I don't think we've had a prospect like that

to UFC for a really long time.

I'm excited to see it.

next level athlete yeah it's just man this guy's explosive he could wrestle

one of my favorite guys all through the collegiate season i saw him since his

freshman year when he first won the title i got to be there like live in

so i saw his whole career even when he went to go play like pro football and i

saw that in the wwe i'm just glad finally

He's in the fighting because he's done a lot of things at a high level, but I

think this is going to be the one that fits him the best. He looks like a

fighter, too, because when you see him fight, sometimes you're such a good

wrestler that you're a little hesitant to throw your hand.

He's dropping people. Now he's running through people.

He's explosive.

Did you see the video after him? It might have been his last fight.

And he just jumps out the ring.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No hands.

Like, he knocks the guy out, and he just jumps out the ring. So he jumps out the

ring, and he sticks the landing, and then starts twerking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you were cheering for him. Yeah, I was cheering for him.

You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

No,

I mean, it was impressive.

And he's a heavyweight, too. You look at him do his back flips after his

wrestling matches and stuff. He's got endurance. I want to see him versus

fight, man. Me, too. That's what I want to see. Well, apparently, I think

they're teammates.

Oh, are they? Yeah. Really? Yeah. They're both at Jacksonville. That's all

right. We'll have like a Rashad Evans, John Jones thing. Chris Duncan, Moikano.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

We got to do this. In the big gyms. It feels like only American top team forces

the guys to fight. Every other gym is like, no, we're friends with the top

teams. It happens a lot with top team. You know?

Keep it professional. When it's time to fight, it's time to fight. Yeah. It

happened at Jacksonville. I mean, the first.

time that it was like a big deal was that Rashad Evans, Jon Jones.

Rashad was like passing over there, like Greg Jackson. And then Jon Jones came

in as this blue chip prospect. And before you know it, he was...

you know, trying to fight for the title against Rashad, which was crazy. That

was a crazy time. And that was, it was that one. So Rashad left then and then

started the black zillion. Yeah. Yeah. So like, you know, had that not

we wouldn't have had the black zillions. If there's no black zillions, there was

no Kamara Usman. So.

It's fun for the fans, but people don't realize how it separates, how it splits

the gym and it divides the gym. We've seen it with Robbie and Woodley. I mean,

that was, that was, I mean, that, that crippled my relationship with Robbie for

five years.

Because you were coaching Woodley? Yeah.

I guess weird. Why did you pick sides, man?

I mean, because Tyler was my voice.

You know how that is, man. I was there from the start.

And then, you know, they had to fight. And then, you know, it was such a bad

thing. Teammates have to pick a side. Coaches have to pick a side. It's a

man, for the gym and for the atmosphere in the gym. For Amanda and Kayla, it was

like a massive one for us. We saw that one, too.

Yeah, I think Amanda saw it, too. That's why she was like, you know what?

Where's Amanda Traynor? She has her own place. She has her own place. She brings

in coaches. I think so.

It's like a private gym.

Gotcha. I think Dean's with her. Yeah, I've been working with her.

Oh. You don't tell nobody. I keep those things on the low.

He just wants to hear what we're saying.

Back to headquarters.

I was wondering why you were asking so many questions about Caleb.

I was wondering why you asked. How much did she squat?

She was asking how the surgery was healing up and stuff. I was like, man,

are you asking this for? I am generally concerned about that, though.

I saw her Saturday. She said she's feeling good. Okay. All right. So we

did she have, because I've had two neck surgeries, did we know what kind of, did

she have artificial disc replacement?

Do you know if she had a fusion? It's the easy one. It wasn't a fusion. It

wasn't a fusion. They just go out there and deal with the herniation and pull it

out. and sit you back up? I know exactly what it was, but I'm not entitled to

say. I'm just hoping it's not the one. Because somebody's going to run back to

the gym and talk to you. Well, I will say, like, the artificial disc, iPad,

Algebra, it's easy.

I'm just hoping it's not the one that your old Romero had. Yeah, that's a

fusion. That turned him into a super soldier. Yeah, a super soldier. He

be knocked out. If you call Jerome's name, he can't turn his neck like this.

He's got to go like this.

Take shots better because your head doesn't whip. Your brain doesn't whip.

Robocop. That's a P .E .D. right there. Yeah, bro. His head doesn't whip around.

I remember Derrick Bunsen kicked him right in the neck. Hard as can be and

nothing. It was like right here. He chopped him. Paulo Costa, the same

There's a video.

Yeah, yeah.

He's like that looking away from it, getting kicked in the back. I don't

we've seen him really even hurt in the UFC, right?

The old man? No, he's never.

Never been hurt.

Never been hurt. He's a freak of both. Because of that neck surgery.

Yeah, 100%. I should have got that one.

That's the one to get. Damn it. I messed that up. That's the one to get. Yeah.

So Gable Stevenson's coming to the UFC. And I heard rumors.

that somebody sitting on this panel might have had some talks.

Chris? Coming back to the UFC.

Jorge, this must be you or Dustin.

I don't know. I'm retired, man. Somebody speak.

In fact, we have sound of it. Oh, okay.

Jorge Masvidal says he has something going on with the UFC.

Can you confirm that?

Yeah, no, we have no fights for him right now. We have nothing done with

Okay. He's talking to us.

Okay. Yeah.

All right. So there's no fights, but y 'all are talking.

We're talking, man. I mean, you know what?

They owe me some money for some cleaning bills and shit. But you know how it is.

You know, like back in the day when you was in high school, you had a little

girl and you was like, yeah, we just talking. Yeah. But that was your girl,

though, because you were talking. So y 'all talking.

We're definitely talking. We've been talking for a minute. You know, it's

we haven't landed on that.

thinking you guys know better than anybody how UFC is. I love them to

But, man, they make you work for every single thing, you know, and it's always

like it's not quite where you want it to be a lot of times. So we're going to

get something.

Yeah. I think International Fight Week is a great return for you, man. If it

be around that time, it would be huge. I love it. When do you feel like your

best, if it was up to you, when do you think you're ready to go? Where are you

going to feel like you're at your best?

I think the more time they give me to prepare, the better, obviously.

So a good four months, five months from here will be perfect.

You're coming back at middleweight, right?

Middleweight, welterweight.

Whatever, whatever.

Yeah, 100%. You don't want to cut that weight in.

I mean, no, I don't. But I will take a fight at welterweight. If it's the right

names that I'm asking, there's a name or two I'm asking.

And if it's those guys, I just get back on that running diet shit. What do you

weigh right now?

like too sexy right now.

But if I get, look, I'll be honest with you. If you give me a Leon fight, I'll

get the 70 by the ball.

No kidding.

I would like that fight.

The fans would like that.

And it obviously makes the most sense. Because I was thinking, like, you just,

you know, with your name, you just don't show up and just fight anybody. You're

not going out there fighting Francisco Prado. And he already got a two -piece

and a soda. Now it's time for dessert. Yeah, you got to. Now it's the whole

buffet. I'm going to hit the motherfucker with, brother.

I would love it. And, you know, first, he had said he wouldn't fight me because

I had, like, three or four losses in a row. I think he's got, like. Four losses

in a row and, like, three by KO, you know? So, which is bigger? I think

the fight that makes sense. That's a great fight. I didn't even think of

Yeah. You know, that's one. It's low -hanging fruit for the UFC. Just give me

what I'm asking for and we'll get the call, man.

Now, Jorge, I got to ask you, man, because, like, you always fight guys

have, like, all this beef with. Is that pressure? No, no.

Usually, most people, there's, like, two people that maybe, you know, it was

more serious kind of pressure.

I mean, for the most part, I get along with everybody. I like what I'm doing.

And everybody that I fought, it's like I'm cool with them afterwards, you know.

If I see them, I share a meal with them. I'll fucking hang out, talk some shit,

you know.

But just one rat -ass motherfucker, you know, is literally a rat. And I

shouldn't even say his name because he's already suing me, but fuck it, you

know. Colby Covington is the only one I really never, you know, mess with like

that, you know. Yeah.

Speaking of, I mean, that segues right into my next.

Question. Yeah. For Chris. Jorge hired a hitman.

You got Kobe coming up. The Cuban gangster.

Is it seven or eight?

What's that? Oh, I don't know.

So it's a real American freestyle. Yeah. May 30th.

In Dallas.

I am wrestling Colby Covington. I was kind of shocked.

Put me in the corner, man. Yeah.

You and my kids in the corner. That's a good dynamic.

I love it.

Yeah. I think I'm going to throw him around, man. I got to get down to 200

pounds. Is that what the weight is? 200 pounds?

What are you at right now?

I'm like 218.

You ain't no 280. No, I promise. I promise.

I've been doing my thing for the last, like, two weeks, so I came down to that.

I was probably, like, 225, 226, and now I'm down to, like, 218. How did this

match come about?

My manager hit me up and said, hey, he got hit up by Real Mecca Freestyle to

wrestle Colby, and then he went against Dylan Dennis, and then he called me out

afterwards, and I'm like, all right, I'm in. Let's do it. I can't believe he

wants to wrestle me.

Let's go. I mean, he probably thinks I've had 31 surgeries. He thinks I

can't move, but I can still wrestle. No, I saw you go against Pat Downey, and

you had him beat dead to rights, man, just like that. I beat him, like, the

whole time wrestling -wise during the whole.

Periods, but there was no scores or anything like that. And then when it

overtime, I went for, like, a fun throw, and he ended up on top, which wasn't

the smartest thing, but I was trying to have fun, you know. Yeah. It was all

good, but, yeah, I'm going to put it on him. It'll be fun.

I don't think he can wrestle, man. I don't think he can wrestle. For sure,

He's been doing his thing.

But you've been, speaking of doing your thing, you've been doing your thing.

Game bread successful over the weekend?

Yes, sir. DR. Great success with Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo.

We had a bout.

Right under 5 ,000 people in attendance.

It was a great, great show, you know.

Anthony Smith headlined the card. Chase Sherman, no gloves.

It was crazy. Anthony Smith looked good. Yeah, he did. He looked fast. He looked

explosive. The not cutting that weight really, really benefited him.

In the co -main event, we had Guto Inocente versus Thiago Santos.

Great co -main event, you know. What happened in that fight?

Brown stopped it, y 'all.

Brown took him down.

He kind of handcuffed one of his hands and just.

I wailed on him.

It's just different when the bare knuckle hits. Even if it's just regular

and pounding, it explodes your face right away, you know? Crazy cuts. I like

bare knuckle boxing, but I like bare knuckle mixed martial arts.

I'm glad that you did that, man, because, like...

Yeah, for sure.

There's something about bare -knuckle MMA that just seems right to me. It just

seems like it's right. It seems okay to me. And the grapplers actually love it,

too, because now you don't have all this tape, guys, tape, guys, tape, guys. I

was thinking that. So your bite is a lot harder. With that choke, like your

glove's not in the way. You can't stop now. You just slide it right through.

When it's the glove, you get the glove like that, and now you have friction.

can buy time, but when there's no glove, you take that glove right out. Yep.

Slip it right back in there, you know? Next event.

May 1st, and let me tell you who it is. I got Hector Lombard fighting versus

Joel. Yes. How did you get there?

You better chill out. Limited A, limited C. All y 'all got tickets.

Limited seating, though.

No gloves.

No gloves. They're fighting bare knuckle. Plus another 12 fights. The

Missile Crisis.

So I did an event in Qatar against Hector Lombard. It was like kick the

all this stuff and take down.

He ends up punching me in the head because I don't think he knows how to

rules. He gets disqualified.

I was just front kicking him to his body over and over. He was too small.

But they had told me that they were trying to get Yoel Romero to go against

in that. But Yoel was like, no, if I go against him, I need to punch him in the

face. He refused to, like, grapple against him or anything like that. I

they had some serious beef, some Cuban beef that I don't know about. Maybe you

could enlighten me. Do you know what's going on there? I mean, I could, but at

the same time, the Cuban mafia will take me out.

All I can say. As soon as you start talking.

All I can say about.

their feud there is that it's hyper competitive and they're either one of

would rather die than give an inch in anything like let's say they both got to

the urinal at the same time

They'll never go, oh, go ahead. They'll never, like, do that unless, you know,

there was some crazy ulterior motive, like there's a bomb in there or

They will not give an inch to each other.

That's what I can say. You know what I love about that is that Hector Lombard,

when I was up and coming, we're all up and coming, that dude was the scariest

dude. I cornered against him in Louisiana a long time ago in a Bellator

and he knocked out a...

One of my buddies is, you know, is crazy, man. And then you got to work a

team with him. Like the stories that come from that gym. They're all true.

how he was. They're all true. Yeah, I've seen it in person.

I've never seen.

Us three here have seen it the most. He has the most bodies I've ever seen in a

gym. Especially at a gym like Top Team where it's not flouches coming through,

you know. I'm talking about people dead.

He would leave people dead on the mat, you know. Yeah. That's going to be a

crazy fight. I love that. Yeah, he was terrorizing people. Being a bully is one

thing, but being a bully to a professional fighter is a whole other

It's a whole other level.

And the thing about him that's interesting, because usually the bullies

like, well, I'm not going to go with the big guy. He'll go with anybody, 100

miles per hour. He wants the big guy.

What's the dude's name who he had beef with?

Was it Barnett? Josh Barnett.

And there's a big weight difference, and he never gave a fuck, bro.

Yeah, Josh is huge.

Yeah. You remember the guy Titties from the Ultimate Fighter? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I remember that.

He knocked him out so bad. I was there. For like five minutes, he was trying to

resuscitate. We literally thought, heck, you killed somebody. He was down like

six minutes, not moving.

Like that, grabbing his leg, shaking him up. They're contemplating, like, should

we call the paramedics? Clear.

Did he punk Tyrone Woodley at some event, too? Like, wasn't that more

I don't know.

I don't know if it was recent, but I remember he approached him on multiple

occasions. On multiple occasions. You don't want to see him. But Woodley's too

cool.

Woodley's too cool. If you're not paying Woodley, he ain't even going to do it.

He won't even look at you. He's like, yo.

Yeah, he's not worth it. But I remember, so this was, I was a top team at the

time, and I had my own school, and every so often I'd bring students down to

train with the pros.

And I brought a guy in, and he trained with Hector, man. Bad idea.

And I told him, I said, man, listen, you don't want to go on that side of the

room. And he didn't listen. He went on that side of the room. He went with

Hector. He was crying.

Hector made him cry. One of my fighters,

he made him cry, man. I was like, oh.

Hector made a lot of people. Did you still coach him after that? Yeah.

Hector made a lot of people cry. They came to the gym on a visiting recruiting

trip and then never came back. And some big names in the UFC, I swear. For sure.

I've seen them crying.

I've seen them right there first -hand crying. And they never came back because

Hector beat the brakes on them. Over the years, we got cool. But when I first

came to American Top Team. He tried to kill you. I tried not to make eye

with him.

I did. He was looking my way. I was like. You can't make eye contact with

Don't make eye contact yet.

He was an absolute savage. He was a beast. Speaking of beast, it is time to

unleash the beast fueled by monster energy.

We got a fight card coming up this weekend.

Gilbert Burns taking on Mike Malott.

Guys, what do y 'all think about this?

I'm going to go with my boy Gilbert, man, hard.

I'm going to bet the house on Gilbert. I think we all love Gilbert, right?

He's a man. He's a family man. Always so cool to talk to. And he's such a tough

-ass fighter. He's another one who's got great jiu -jitsu, but he stands and

bangs. It's always a fun fight with him. And then you've got Mike Millat, who's

more of a technician, kind of like an athlete. His brother's in the NHL, so

got that athleticism in his DNA.

So it's kind of like contrasting styles. I don't think Millat's going to want to

be like in a – like a real fight with him in the pocket, he's going to have to

try to pick him apart from the outside and frustrate him.

This is tough because we all love Gilbert. Yeah. But, I mean, he's on a

-fight losing streak.

And sometimes, like, your confidence goes down. Because, like, the Gilbert

fought Chemaez beats Mike Malott any day of the week.

But after losing four fights, it's like, does he still have it? Yeah. I don't

know.

I'm going to say he doesn't.

I'm going to go with Mike Millard on this one. I'm going to go with Gilbert

rest of the resurgence.

You think he's going to come back? Come back.

I'm going to go with Gilbert.

You're going to go with Gilbert?

I'm going to go with Gilbert because I just love that dude, man.

I'm hoping he wins. But Mike Millard, he is a problem.

And they're fighting in Canada. In Canada. He always fights at home.

And you do have a point, though. The four -fight losing streak, I've been

Not four fights, but I've had multiple losses in a row. And it does mess with

your confidence. And this whole game is confidence.

You've got to try to find it again. And that's what Gilbert's going to be trying

to do. Don't be able to hit that reset button and almost forget about it. And

then it's your first fight again. I will say this about Gilbert. If anybody can

do it, he's a competitor.

He's a great competitor. Not just a great fighter, but he's a guy who

well. Like, obviously, like, his losses are, you know, Morales, Brady, JDM,

Bilal. So, like, those are, I mean, that's, you know, that's a murderer's

Old champions?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, except for Brady and Morales, but they're all top five guys, right? So,

like, they're all great fighters. But Milat, like, Holland, Radke, Trevin

those are his last three wins.

Not on the level of his loss.

Yeah, his wins are not on the level of the losses that Burns has had. So, I

mean, I think it's still a very competitive fight, but I have to go with

Millat in Canada.

In Canada.

How old is Millat?

He's young.

Yeah, he's young.

If I was going to put all my money on it, I'd probably have to go Millat,

depending on the odds. But I'm just going.

Just put half of it. Yeah, half and half. I think he's 34.

He's 30. Well, it's not super young, but that's prime.

Burns is like four. I don't think he's 40.

I don't think he's 40. No, I don't think he's 40 yet. But I mean, but he's been

in a lot of wars and he just feels a little bit more modest. Yeah. He feels

39. We got, we got producers in a year. We got like the Jamie of the Rogan show.

You got to round up. That was 40. Yeah. That's 40. That's 40. That's 40.

But I think it's, you know, all in all, it's a pretty, it's a solid card.

We got Kyler Phillips taking on Charles Jourdain. I think that's a great

Bantamweight. I think maybe Bantamweight. I think Charles Jourdain

down. Jasmine, Jazz DeVicious taking on Karini Silva.

And here's a fight that I'm really interested in.

And this guy's making his UFC debut. That's Mandel Nalo versus Jai Herbert.

Now, Mando Nalo, he fought in Bellator, and he's fought in all these different

organizations. He's an absolute killer from Canada. But John Herbert, the black

country banger, he's the one who could have stolen all of Ilya Teporyan's

Yeah, that guy.

The head kick. I know who's talking about now.

Yeah.

Kind of.

Come on. We're going to put the replay. He landed a nice head kick on the first

round. Oh, yeah, first round.

At 155, right? I think they fought that fight. Yeah, yeah, that was at 155.

And then that's when we saw how much power Ilya actually has. He was like...

hard. And we continue to see it for the following years. He was hurt. His resume

was insane.

The people he's put away.

And if he can do it to Justin, I mean, he's going out there and assassinating

all of our favorite fighters. I know.

He's got the good style to fight Justin, you know.

Justin has good kicks, too. That's the thing. But the boxing, the defensiveness

of Ilya, man, levels above Justin, I feel. But, like, that story, Gaethje

the American on the White House card, he's going to be a huge underdog against

guy who we, like, look at as one of the – he's one of the greatest. Like, if you

look at every facet of his game, he started as a jiu -jitsu dude.

You know, like, he was submitting people early in his career, and then when he

got into the UFC, he decided, I'm going to knock everybody out. And his boxing

is one of the best boxing, you know, the best boxers we've seen in the UFC.

You know, Justin Gaethje's got a tough test, but if he can pull it off, bro, do

you know how crazy that's going to be?

Does Justin do it all in this fight, start wrestling, you know?

Because he does have that next set. I know Ilya could wrestle right back into

him, but just to make things up.

Justin never uses wrestling.

I would love to see him.

Defensively. I think he's going to have to just.

Throw his hands, man. He's going to have to connect with something.

Justin does have the great equalizer, man. He can put anybody out if he lands,

you know. But just the technique of Ilya, how protected he keeps himself,

footwork is just speed.

I think people say, like, Ilya is maybe the better fighter. But in our sport,

the better fighter doesn't always win. You know, so that's why it's going to be

exciting. The guy who's willing to take the biggest risk and put himself out

there to land the shot sometimes is the winner because of that. You know, and

Justin is that guy. All you need is one moment. I'm dumping the house on Ilya in

this one, though.

Yeah. I'm going stupid on this one.

Brought to you by, I'm going stupid.

I'm going stupid. We're waiting for the sponsor to plug it up right there, but

I'm going stupid on that one.

So do you guys know what today is?

April Fool's Day. No, it's not April Fool's Day. It's an anniversary.

Dustin, do you know?

Nah, anniversary.

It's the anniversary.

Today's Monday.

No, today is the seven -year anniversary of this fight. Oh, damn. Yeah.

That's crazy. I had no clue.

Yeah, look at that.

Oh, that was nice. Talk us through it. Oh, my gosh. Look at him. Look at him.

Come to 55. Come over here.

Holy shit. This is at 55, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When you see this, Dustin, you feel like throwing them thangs again, don't you?

I always feel like throwing them thangs. I'm just glad we're showing these

highlights and not my retirement fight.

I'm still up one, Max. You got one back, but I'm up one still. Where were both

you guys at in your career at this point?

He was on a 13 -fight win streak, the featherweight champion. Yeah.

Yeah.

This was crazy, man. This was the way he made the team was insane.

Max is one of my favorite fighters. One of my favorite fighters. Not only is he,

like, beyond technical when he wants to be, but he's got the most heart. Like,

you got to kill this guy every time. When he steps in there, you got to kill

him. And this fight just showed it. Like, it just didn't go his way, and he

never backed off.

He was still trying to find a way to win.

You hit him a lot.

This one you made it look easy, man. And Max usually doesn't get hit. Yeah.

So what was you thinking in your head when you were hitting him and he was

standing there?

I had hurt him a couple times early in the fight, so I really thought I was

going to get him out of there.

But he just kept getting up and answering every bell and walking

him with a knee.

It didn't bother him at all. He's a real fighter, a real warrior. Like, he's cut

from that cloth.

You got to kill him. Yeah. He's got a granite chin. Is Toporia the only dude

who's ever, like, put him out? Yeah.

Yeah. He's the first. Yeah.

Crazy. Yeah.

And I think they say Justin was the first guy to drop him. Drop him, but

didn't count it, though.

I remember them not counting it. I dropped him in our retirement, but he

me, too, so. Yeah. Yeah.

Man.

Max Holloway.

A legend, man. Yeah, for sure, man.

I mean, I was extremely surprised about what happened in his last fight, though.

Yeah, his takedown defense. I didn't think it was going to be that easy for

Charles. I bet at the house on Max.

I didn't think it was going to be that easy to get him down. Yeah.

It was a little easy for his takedown defense. Charles just quit the first

fight. Yeah, no, yeah. He quit in that fight.

He had some, like, weird neck thing, right?

I don't know. Something happened. Something happened, bro. He made him

I was thinking, you know, there's not going to be no chance.

I guess that size could go back down. You got that clinch, bro.

Max is big, man.

Max is big.

He's not a small lightweight.

Yeah, you don't think he could go back down. He might be able to. I just don't

know what's left for him at 45.

He has a frame at 55. He can keep filling it out. He can.

But that clinch was a problem. Like, a takedown defense from that clinch.

Because I've seen videos.

Like, Charles had.

Ilya in that same situation where he had that double under, and he was going hip

to hip and trying to rag Dom down.

Lower center of gravity, though. Max is taller.

It was a tough matchup, I guess.

Ilya has good wrestling, man. Good throws from the tackle.

And Charles is very strong, man. It doesn't look like he's slim, but when he

gets his hands on you, he looks strong.

Yeah, that's just from years of doing jiu -jitsu and grappling. You know, he's

got a different kind of strength. Yeah, he's got, like, them arms and, like,

that ligament strength.

Exactly. Like, long, he can just bring you in.

It's deceiving.

Moikano's another guy.

Slim, but when he gets his hands locked, it's like steel cables around him. You

got to give credit to Max, though. On the ground, five rounds against the most

dangerous jiu -jitsu. And early, dry.

Yeah, I don't know how he stayed out of all those submissions. I know. And, I

mean, not just, like.

he was dominated and stayed out of submissions. So that's not easy to do.

Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah.

All right. Well, I told you guys, I told the fans that we would, um, those read

the comments in the chat. So we're going to go to some of these questions from

the chat.

Welcome to the club. I guess they talking about y 'all.

Nah. He's not talking about me.

I'm 37, bro. I might be on. Garrett Manger, 19.

Yeah, we're all on. Garrett Manger, Dean's biggest purchase is an old

phone with a snake on it. Sean Sterling, 247. Dean's biggest purchase was an old

Motorola phone with a snake on it. It's probably true.

And a pager.

You're smart with your money. I had a beeper, yeah.

100%. A good purchase.

uh dean thomas versus clavicular that's that dude who uh he's some streamer he's

like talks about girls like their face structures and he like makes fun of them

if they don't have their their like eyebrows like whatever this is

it's like too big

I don't know. I don't know really that much about him, but I know you've heard

of him.

At X276, Dean Thomas versus Klovic. I don't know who that is, but you know

I'm saying?

You'll be there. Okay, then I'll take the fight. If it's an easy fight, I'll

take the fight. Big name at easy fight.

Get this man paid.

Get a couple more to roll the phone. From Joe Swanson, 5486.

What are Dustin's arms so huge all of a sudden? Oh, he lifts weights.

Because I'm all peptides. They call me Peptide Pappy around here.

100%. Peptide Pappy.

What else we got from Aerodynamic?

What is that? Coppercut. For Dustin, what made you fight Southpaw? I can't

see. Southpaw, despite being a right -handed guy. All right.

Because when I was like 10, 11 years old, I started wrestling for a private

club. In wrestling, you put your power foot forward.

So I always had my rifle forward in wrestling, and when I started boxing

was 17, I got in the same stance and didn't know any better, and the guys in

boxing gym didn't know I was right -handed, and I just learned that way. I

didn't know you started as a wrestler.

Yeah, I wrestled a few years. That was your real entry into, like, martial arts

and stuff? It's a one -on -one competition. Yeah, it's a martial arts

-one competition. But he stopped because he kept jumping the ghillie in

wrestling competition.

What is this guy doing?

All right, we got a couple more from...

Kyre 5 -E -Y -L -M -A -O.

What did George smoke? He don't know what L -M -A -O is. Well, I mean, it was

all these O's. I didn't know how to pronounce that.

So what are you smoking?

I'll pick the fifth. I never smoke shit in my life.

Brisket.

Brisket. George is smoking that brisket. All right, we got it. Is that it? Is

that all we got?

All right, we got one more coming.

From Randy underscore Singh underscore 9334, looks

maxing.

Anybody got anything on that one? I don't know what that means. Oh, wait.

right. We got another one. That one, that was a throwaway. We got at

DariusDay45, Dustin frame mogs clavicular?

That's that same dude, clavicular. So Dustin frame mogs.

Mogs, what does that mean?

Mogs is like the –

Huh? We're onks, bro.

We're onks. Hey, English. My kids got to teach me this, man. What the fuck's

going on? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I definitely – why is Chris – all right, from KXIDex.

Why do you know who Kavikia or whatever the name is? Why, Chris? Why do I know

who that is? Yeah, Chris, why do you know who that is?

I don't know why, actually. Like, he must have popped up on my Instagram a

couple times or X, but I've seen him. I've seen him. You know what? I think he

did stuff with Armin, Saruki. You know, Armin was doing all those, like,

streaming things. I don't know. Somehow popped up on my feed.

Clavicular, yeah.

I think Rampage Jackson, like, that whole thing, the live streaming, he's in

that world. That stuff's getting big, man. Well, I'm okay with being an unk,

then, if I don't know who that is. I'm okay with it. I'm okay with all that

shit. Yeah, I'm okay with that. Yeah.

I don't know anything outside of this Spike world. Yeah, and I'm okay with it.

All you got to know is that you'll beat his ass. Yeah, if they can't whoop me,

I'm good.

They can't whoop me. Well, gentlemen, I thought it's been real. Hell yeah, bro.

This was fun.

Let's go, boys.

Let's go.

Best MMA show ever.

Deep water. Good luck keeping up with this one.

So that's going to be it for us. For Chris Weidman, Dustin Poirier, Jorge

Masvidal, we'll be back next Monday at 12 o 'clock Eastern. Make sure you all

tune in. Deep Waters, fueled by Monster Energy.