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When I was younger it was very romanticized that you're going for it

going and you know it's like you have to work 24 hours do four movies in one

time you know five shifts don't sleep don't eat and the more a person does

the more successful you will be.

But as I have seen and lived more life, I've realized having a work -life

balance is really important.

So when you talk about a beach, I was in Turks and Caicos just recently. My

phones were off. Me and my husband were by ourselves.

We spent time. We walked on the beach. We collected shells.

And then I came back feeling rejuvenated, feeling excited and really

to take my career forward.

I mean, this generation of girls is fearless.

And there's so many girls that take...

Our first episode with Priyanka Chopra was the 13th episode of TRS ever.

Now we've crossed 250 episodes on our English podcast.

Priyanka Chopra was our lucky charm back then. I think the entire trajectory,

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And this conversation is an extension, a sequel of that conversation.

Priyanka Chopra has now begun her entrepreneurial journey with her brand

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Today on TRS, we have one of the most productive human beings that mankind has

ever known.

Priyanka Chopra, for an international audience, welcome. For an Indian

welcome.

We were waiting for you.

All of us Indians, welcome.

Thank you so much, Ranveer. Thank you for having me back.

I have so much to say to you, which I'll finally offload now. Please do. I've

been waiting for this.

Anticipation has built to high levels.

You and your podcast with us was a turning point in the whole podcast

And fortunately, we had first moves advantage for doing the podcast in India

because podcasting wasn't a culture back then. That's true.

I was right at the precipice of it. Yeah. And whenever someone asks me what

favorite podcast was or my favorite guest was, I say you.

I love being a favorite.

There's a reason for that. Thank you. Okay. Which, which I've not, which I've

not said online, but I will say, and I want to say this in front of you.

Um, when you're doing podcasts, you really sense the energy of the guest.

And I've done all sorts of guests like Bollywood, military, you name it.

Um, you were the only person who gave me a very like quiet, calming energy. You

sat, you understood. I was like crazy nervous.

you calmed me down and you gave me the content that you knew would work for the

show it was kind of like you were helping a younger version of yourself am

calling myself a younger version of you I don't know maybe yeah but I totally

felt I felt so much help from you and you didn't have to but you were so nice

and it kind of also gave me a reference point of how to just be As a media

professional, like you're so professional. So thank you so much. Oh,

That means so much to me. Yeah, it means a lot. I mean, even I was a newcomer,

right? At one point, I also started at something different.

And it's just so nice when someone understands what your goal is. And

standing in your way, helps you, pushes you just a little bit.

And I kind of maybe sense that feeling from you. And I always like to...

you know, stand and be helpful rather than be a thorn on your side. So I'm

that it works for you. No, you weren't a thorn at all. Should I make it heavy

now or should I warm you up a little bit? Whenever you want, buddy. I'm good.

I'm really good with heavy lifting. Okay. Are you happy in life?

Yeah, actually happier than I've been in a really long time.

Okay. Why do you say that?

I think I reached a place where I stopped struggling with

the things I did when I was younger.

Maybe it's maturity.

Maybe it's being on the other side of 35, I guess. And maybe it is just having

my feet on the ground and a little bit more stable ground.

But I think I'm not running as fast as I was.

I'm thinking about the steps I take.

I'm in a really comfortable, content place when it comes to my life.

And the choices that I'm making are mine and are not defined by other people or

the validation that I probably needed when I was younger.

So I think that's made me a little bit more happy and calm.

Okay. While you say all that, I feel yours is one of the biggest success

that India has ever seen. Like very few Indian actors or anyone from the media

industry has reached where you've reached in your life.

Aren't you like done?

Like, why do you want more?

what kind of question is that i meant see i have this vision for myself that

only going to work till about 35 40 because then i just want to chill on a

i'm asking you from the beach scenario sure uh don't you don't you kind of want

to go on a beach because every time you take up something new there is a trade

-off of mental health in the long term but you're just going for it like you

were going for it even during the last conversation and you're going for it now

so i'm just trying to like explore what's happening and why i can help you

understand it a little bit yeah when i was younger um it was very romanticized

that you're going for it and just keep going and you know it's like you have to

work 24 hours do four movies in one time you know five shifts don't sleep don't

eat and the more a person does that the more successful you will be But as I

have seen and lived more life, I've realized having a work -life balance is

really important.

So when you talk about a beach, I was in Turks and Caicos just recently. My

phones were off, me and my husband just by ourselves.

We spent time, we walked on the beach, we collected shells.

And then I came back feeling rejuvenated, feeling excited and really

to take my career forward.

So this romanticization of work has to be...

tough and work has to be rough. It's not.

Work can be your companion.

Work can be creative.

Work can be something that gives you joy. And now I've reached a point where

that work -life balance for me is most important.

I will work on the six verticals that I'm working on, you know, my business,

production, my book, my acting, whatever.

But when I switch off, I'm with my family.

I'm at home. I watch movies. I do whatever I want to do. So then when I

back to work the next day, I have the focus to be able to do even more things.

So when you're talking about retiring at like 35, 40, sure, if you want to have

a shack in Goa, it used to be my dream when I worked like that too. But I want

to have a shack in Goa, not wear shoes, have fish fry all day, you know, and

that's what I wanted to do.

As I realized that there's something, I love my job and I love being able to

create in very different ways. I have the privilege to be in a position that

many have been in and I've created that by myself.

I don't want to give it up and I don't want anyone to take it away from me.

my legacy for my children and for the future generation that may not have even

seen the potential of something like that for themselves.

Why would I give it up?

Again, I feel you're helping a younger version of yourself.

Sure. Somewhere in some other universe. I like deep sea diving. Let's go.

Okay.

You want to know about one of my favorite new hobbies?

Yeah. It's watching really old episodes of Coffee with Karan and then seeing how

everyone's trajectories were in life.

And my favorite episode, one of my favorites was the one you did, I think,

Arjun Rampal in season one.

Oh my gosh.

I don't even know what I was...

What was I like then?

Very different.

How old was that? When was that season? 2004.

Holy. Wow.

Would you like to know? Yeah. As a podcaster. Yeah, yeah. I want to know.

2004, that means that's one year into me being an actor. Yeah.

I feel you're even different from like three years ago because lots have

happened in those three years.

uh you're even more chill now yeah like i can i can feel that uh uh you were

very like hyper kind of alpha when i last saw you in 2019 and in that episode

you're deeply professional and what's the word conscientious

you were like that. Like you were just, you're very professional. I think Karan

Johar said, Hey, you know, well done and all. And your response was, yeah, I'm

just trying to do my best job guys. It was kind of like that.

I was so nervous. I didn't know anything about the industry.

I mean, the closest I had come to being in the business was taking a vacation to

Bombay when I was.

11 years old with my brother and it was like, wow, Bombay. You know that park

where they have the shoe and the... Hanging garden. Yeah, hanging. I had

photographs in the hanging gardens even now and that was like going to the beach

was seeing the queen's necklace. All of that was all I knew about Mumbai.

The industry was terrifying to me and I think that's probably why I reacted like

that. It's a great message for young people because...

Lots of people idolize you now because of what you've done now without

understanding that it takes something as simple as that when you're beginning.

Just be professional.

Or just give yourself a break. It's okay. You just have to do the best you

Survive. Keep your head above water. And slowly you'll see you'll be walking on

it.

When did you realize that you're starting to become successful in life?

It's a really tough question because when I won...

my first pageant, which was Miss India, I was like, wow, I've won the world. I'm

really successful.

Then I won Miss World.

I was like, how did this happen?

I had no computation of, again, 18, 17.

I had no understanding how it happened.

But what I did understand was the opportunity it gave me.

Suddenly people knew me, wanted to know me, gave me new opportunities. There

were movies that were coming my way. I didn't know anything about how do you

sign a movie. My poor father was a physician.

He didn't know even more. And he was highly protective.

They gave up their practice. And for two working doctors who were very

successful in Bareilly, and this is something I didn't even think about till

was like 30 years old, gave up everything to pursue my 19 -year -old

My 19 -year -old opportunities that even.

When someone sees your life the way you speak about it, there's a lot of

blessings at like a lot of points.

You believe in karma?

Absolutely. You believe in...

I do. Do you think about what you did in your previous life to get this life

now? I hope so. I do. And I always think about it like if you think, why do I

have, why am I lucky enough to have the life that I do?

And some other woman somewhere else with the same opportunity, with the same

desires, same ambitions, same, you know, needs, doesn't have any of it.

I really think about that a lot.

It makes me feel like there must be something I did right. I wake up every

with a sense of gratitude and I wake up every day with wanting to give back,

whether that's with the person that is standing right next to me or whether

is a life choice that I might make.

But giving back.

I think is so crucial when it comes to being grateful. I'm highly grateful for

everything that I have. And I do think that maybe I did something right, that

I've been blessed with the opportunity of having the life, being born to the

parents that I was, being able to have the opportunity of making my own

having agency in my own life. If you think about women around the world, so

don't have that. Complete choices are made for themselves.

But my parents told me, you have to have your opinion.

What a privilege.

Yeah, that's a part of the blessing, being born to those parents.

I mean, that's the biggest one, probably. Yeah, completely.

Wow. Okay, hold on. I got to take my thoughts and just put them together. I

be speechless.

No, no.

Okay.

With this whole journey, and this is a question that's been sent in from a lot

of people who I spoke to before this chat.

Firstly, I want to tell you that you inspire men, women, everyone.

It's not about you just inspiring women.

Okay. But I think you've shown a lot of women possibility.

Like an entire generation needed to be shown possibility, which has happened

through people like yourself.

Who's supposedly born exactly in your age bracket to set the tone for like 80s

born, 90s born, 2000s born. I absolutely agree. I was talking to somebody else

about this yesterday.

A young actor who was talking to me.

And I really did say that my generation of women changed.

the trajectory of the next generation of women. My co -actors, female co -actors

that fought to be the face on the poster, that fought for agency in the

that a lot of women didn't get before us, just opened the doors for the

generation after us. And I think not just for women, but people. Our

and every generation will always have a prototype that will be better than us.

Because we have... change the landscape, right? And that's a huge responsibility

on all of us. I remember Marycom being one of the first female -led films. And

now so many films are female -led. That did commercially well at that time,

yeah, I remember.

Mainstream female -led. Yeah, mainstream female -led.

And now there's so many female -led films.

And that's the thing, like, that's another, sorry, not to put you on the

but films are films. And we still talk about female -led films as female -led

films. We don't say that's a male -led film.

This person's film, Amit Khan's movie. Oh, we're watching a male -led film

today. I hear you, but I'm also talking on behalf of the Indian masses.

Completely. But that's, as a vocabulary, we need to change that. Female athlete,

female politician, female actress. Why?

Actress, politician, athlete.

What is your message for, okay, I'm going to ask you, what's your message

generally? And what's your message for girls? And I'm also going to give you a

supplementary point and say that this is not the end of the podcast. Is that one

at a time?

It's not the end of the podcast.

See, there's so much more to unpack.

But I actually do want to ask you a message for young ambitious women out

My sister, my girlfriend, my friends, everyone had this exact question for

What's the message for the girls who are starting out their careers?

I think it can be very scary.

We, I mean, this generation of girls is fearless and there's so many girls that

take charge of their own lives and they say, you know, I'm not going to fit into

the cookie cutter mold that probably my mother did or my grandmother had to.

And it's so, like, I have goosebumps right now just thinking about it. I meet

many young women who have changed the trajectory of their families because of

the choices that they've made.

I think my message would be that there's a lot of noise.

Around us.

Narratives. Yeah. And people that tell us to be a certain way, that people that

tell us that, you know, I was talking the other day about someone that when I

went to convent school, I had this thing called moral science, a subject called

moral science, which taught me how, you know, women shouldn't be, women should

be seen, not heard.

The length of our skirts, how we should sit with our legs.

There's so much that has been told to women that to be a good girl, you have

be a certain way.

Good girls don't make history.

You know what I mean?

Bold girls make history.

Bold people make history.

So if you want to be the lead actor of your movie, which is your life, you've

got to take choices that might be contrary to what you've heard. And that

empowerment may or may not come from your parents, may or may not come from

family or boyfriend or whoever you're around. It comes from you. And that...

no one can do you know i again was lucky maybe because my parents gave me that

but i try to remind young girls specifically that if you don't have that

don't have that encouragement in your home try to find it in your gut because

one's going to fix your life but you or try to find it from content and i'm not

just speaking on behalf no it's true it is really true try to find inspiration

from people that inspire you i have been inspired

Every day by collaborators that I work with. The reason I take new steps is

because I see someone else doing something new and I'm like, wow, this is

good idea. How did this person do it? But I don't just sit with that.

I think about what is that new idea in my life?

What can I do that will make me feel how I feel about this person?

It's about that feeling.

It's about imbibing from the people around you.

It could be someone you admire on television. It could be someone in your

It could be someone that you work with. But when you see something that you

admire about someone, imbibe it.

All this is exactly why I love that you're taking up entrepreneurship as

next step, like very actively. You've been an entrepreneur in the past, but

you're going like all out and saying that, okay, this is like the next big

I also feel that...

uh people my age but actually younger than me gen z deeply entrepreneurial

everyone wants to start like that absolutely uh and i'm sure you see this

difference between like 80s and 90s born people and then the next one uh how did

this entrepreneurship thing start pc like where did it start and how how far

you want to take it i don't know i don't think about the future i'm not someone

who i plan for the future but i don't think about how far I can go. I mean,

knows what my future holds for me. But what I can think about is my present.

And like I said, I like to imbibe from people that I know. You know, your

is so bright that there's conspiracy theories about you that you may deal

the devil to achieve this level of success.

That you're a satanic worshipper.

Horrible. It's that level of success that you reach. Oh, she's very upset

me.

Sorry, but go on, go on.

No, I just think that, like I told you, I like to imbibe from the people around

me. When I was becoming an actor, I didn't know anything about acting.

I used to sit and watch my co -actors. I used to sit and watch why they did what

they did.

So this came from a really funny thought. My mom, as soon as I turned 30,

She's an entrepreneur. She's a doctor. She created her own business.

But as soon as I turned 30, she sat me down and she said, look, you're in

Bollywood. Your shelf life is over.

You know, nobody, all these 50 -year -old actors only want to work with the

girls in their 20s. So after 30, you're not going to have a job very much. You

know, just like you start planning for your future.

So what about making your own movies?

You know, starting production.

And at that time, it was really funny considering I'm 40 and I still have a

active acting career.

But it was foresight on her end in an industry which kind of told women that,

you know, when you're 30, sorry, you're too old.

So I started getting interested in production, just thinking about the fact

I was going to lose my day job.

And then that became really interesting to me. The business of entertainment

started becoming really interesting to me. I used to talk a lot to my producer

friends, producers that I was working with. What are the choices they make?

are movies made? So you have a cost of production. You have to recover your

of production to make profit.

So I started getting into what margins look like and just understanding that.

And that was fascinating to me because it's so creative.

There are so many ways to be able to create something.

And I think once I started doing production and I started working in

knew my manager happened to be a venture capitalist and she was really into tech

and stuff.

So I was very interested in, and at that time she was just a collaborator, but I

really got interested in investments.

And I started with small investments in little things. And then those things

became really big, like Bumble. When I brought Bumble into India, I mean,

changed the dating scene in India, especially for girls.

And that just showed me the power of being able to have a new idea. And the

at that time was when Bumble was launched around the world and Whitney,

dear friend of mine, and launched it, she left Tinder to make Bumble because

saw the gap in the market.

We want to be able to create a safe space where women have the first

opportunity, where women can take the first step. And that was such a

plan. And what I said to her was...

India needs it the most because of especially the unsafe circumstances

which girls have to survive and live in sometimes in India. And it's being used

in tier three, tier four now. Absolutely. How beautiful is that? Like,

have goosebumps just thinking about the fact that this came from an idea.

So ideas are what was really interesting to me. And then being able to work with

people who can help me execute ideas is what really started the entrepreneurial

journey in me.

First, I started with investing. And Anomaly is my first brand that I founded

myself with the help of Mesa.

Thank you.

With the help of Mesa that were market leaders and leaders in incubating new

brands, specifically in beauty.

And then Nykaa, of course, bringing them. But I really lean on my partners

learn from them. And I just love the fact that you can have an idea today and

monetize it. Why not?

You're not just...

reduced to. I won't say reduced to because I come from a family of doctors

engineers. But at that time, in my parents' generation and the generation

that, it was doctor, engineer, lawyer, military, government job. Like those

or six things that everyone had to aim for.

But today, like, I think my generation of parents are not going to have those

boxes for our children, right? You have an idea, let's run with it.

I have this little crystal ball with me everywhere that I go that only I can

see. And it shows me the future.

I think you're going to be a multi -billionaire.

From your mouth to God's ears, please.

Remember the moment we had before the shoot began? I said, I don't want to

to you until the camera starts rolling and the lights went off.

But I also generally want to talk about that crystal ball a little bit.

And what it tells me.

Everyone knows that going to America was very good for the career, the material

aspect of life.

I feel it helped you a lot as a person as well.

America does have this very different entrepreneurial energy. It's got like

little like accepting energy. As long as you're willing to work hard, the

country just accepts you.

You'll be able to create further opportunity yourself.

But now I will let you unpack.

I just I feel I feel it's been great for you. And the harsh truth, I'm going to

say it online, is that India finds things cooler when they become cool

and then come back. I mean, that's a fact.

Like Swami Vivekananda is used as one example. That's our colonial background.

We still haven't been able to shed that.

We have a lot of equity on things that

come from the West. That I agree is a fact.

But no, it's not the easiest thing to be an Indian in America.

It's not easy.

Even Priyanka Chopra said that?

I mean, yes, I've had a, I started working in the States in 2010.

And in 2020, after 10 years of working in the industry,

I started with music and then pivoted into acting in America.

So I started in 2010 for context. In 2020, I got my first leading role.

How long did it take me?

10 years.

So people don't think about how much hard work, how much consistent knocking

doors, how much humility it takes to go to another country and start from

scratch. I had built an incredible career here, amazing credibility here.

And I got an opportunity to do music and people were curious about the fact

that... because I could sing, what that could be. And I'm a big fan of the music

industry anyway.

We in India are monopolized by Bollywood when it comes to music so much. For

now. I hope so. I hope so. That we've not really been able to bifurcate into

pop. pop music or pop culture when it comes to music. It's still very niche.

I was really a big fan of music and musicians and very excited about that

opportunity. Went there, worked with the most incredible musicians and quickly

realized that I'm not as good as them.

And I should go back to my day job.

I'm very astute when it comes to, I don't lie to myself.

I'm very honest to myself.

So I did the music. I love the music that I did for myself, but it wasn't my

standard of excellence.

It was good. It was fun. Stayed on the radio, was successful, sold a lot of

but it wasn't my lane.

And that made me want to dabble in acting as well and see if there was an

opportunity there.

But it required me to strip every single thing that I knew in India and the

laurels that I had achieved in India, the awards that I had won, the movies

I had done, the box office successes that I had seen. It required me to walk

into rooms with extreme humility and introduce myself to people, to take my

showreel and say, this is the work I have done.

I would love to work with you. I would love to see if there's an opportunity

with you.

I remember I had to do, I mean, I've done so many small roles in big movies

Hollywood. But that's what it took for me when I started here too.

A lot of people used to say to me, oh, she's left doing Bollywood movies to do

small roles in Hollywood.

It started with every new actor starts there. You have to start with from the

beginning. And I don't sit with that.

you know, if I'm successful in one country, then everyone in the world

treat me like I'm a queen.

It doesn't work that way.

Which is the case for a lot of big stars in our country.

I don't know about that, but most people expect.

and anticipate that if you're treated a certain way or if you're making a

certain amount of money in a certain country, you're going to be treated the

same way because everyone is waiting in Hollywood to cast you, right? They're

just waiting for Priyanka Chopra. We were just waiting for you to come only,

Priyanka. Change the trajectory of movies.

Of course, Hollywood is not the same without you. It doesn't work that way.

You have to go. You have to pound the pavement.

You have to walk in. You have to be rejected. You have to audition.

you have to work around the culture of a new country.

And that was so hard. I had to swallow the humility pill and I was willing to

that hard work. And then 10 years later, I finally got my leading role in a

movie. I finally got the same remuneration as a man, which I never did

Bollywood. I have never got the same check as my male co -actor, even if my

is the same, even if I've held the movie as much as I can.

Finally, I got it in 2021.

After 21 years of working.

So it seems like, oh my gosh, America was so great for you and Hollywood was

awesome. But the tears that it took when you move to a new country with no

friends, no family, working with people that...

don't know you and don't know what you are able to achieve.

When I first started doing Quantico, my co -actors did not understand the hoopla

around me. They were like, why is, like, who is this person?

Like, why are you, you know, the lead of, that was the first time I got a lead

role in a television series.

And they just couldn't understand why.

And it required me to just, you know, be humble and say, I'm okay. This is a new

environment. It's easy to go.

fishing from your boat. But when you have to go deep sea diving, it's a

completely different thing. You have to learn according to your environment. So

no, it wasn't easy. It was very hard. It took a lot of sweat, tears and blood

from me to finally be able to reach where I have reached. So when you say,

know, I don't want to pass off the work that it took to get there and the time

and the commitment that it took to get there.

But look at you now.

Look at me now.

I'm still at the beginning. That's what I'm saying. It's the first movie that

I'm doing as a lead part. Who knows where else I'll go.

Again, the mainstream narrative though on you is that things have just gone

upwards. I love that you're saying this. Because I'm not someone who talks about

my struggles too much. Why don't we talk about your struggles a little bit?

That's it.

You have to ask me the question.

Did people try jeopardizing your career here, there, at any point? Because

that's... the one thing i'm slowly learning about success like the moment

start climbing that ladder there's too many people who don't like that you're

climbing the ladder and try pulling you down i don't know unfortunately i feel

like in india we've been taught that mindset we are not people as

a people very few of us are happy for somebody else's success because we we

again i think my hypothesis

And I don't know, I'm not someone who's an expert on the field. But my

hypothesis is that, you know, we were colonized till 1947.

I agree.

We just about, not even been 100 years, we've just about been our own country,

our own people. It's divide and rule, but on an emotional level. Exactly.

And our generation has to recognize that. Our generation has to say, hold

hold on.

Why is my natural instinct when someone is successful is to be jealous?

Why is my natural instinct when someone is successful to be envious?

Why is my natural instinct not saying, wow, you've done so great. Let me add on

to this person. Let me push you forward because then you're pulling me forward.

There is such a strength in numbers, which we don't recognize. If we only

collectively banded together and supported.

other successful people in our field, we would be unstoppable in the world. We

are one fifth of the world's population.

But we've never been able to take our own stand because of that reason. I feel

this is something we can learn from the West.

They fear each other more than what we do. Probably. Probably. I don't know

about where that learning comes from. But I just...

Just like you, I've also had people wanting to jeopardize my career. Like

used to happen?

I don't know, take away from work, make sure that I wasn't cast just because,

you know, I was doing well in what I was doing. But that's not what stopped. I

don't sit and wait and harp on. I mean, maybe I'll cry one night or the other

when an opportunity was taken away from me. But I don't sit in the shit.

You know, you can sit in the shit and then you'll start smelling of it. And

you don't even know you're smelling of it because you've got so used to it. So

then you just become dark and negative and you'll never move forward.

You have to shut off the noise.

There are many people that will want to pull you down, but don't focus on that.

Focus on the one person that believes in you.

Focus on the light, little sliver of light that you might see, a little bit

inspiration that you might see. And that's the hardest thing to do because

you're bogged down by baggage.

You're bogged down by shackles of people holding you down. So you have to really

push forward. And that's just individual.

Do you have that inside of you to fight that fight for yourself?

Or are you going to wait for somebody else to do it? That's an individual

choice. Let's talk about that little sliver of light.

I don't know how else to put this, but is that God for you?

Is that the higher power?

I mean, a lot of it is. I really do believe in destiny.

I believe in, I'm someone who has a lot of faith.

I pray a lot.

How do you pray and what do you pray for? I do puja almost every day. I do

gratitude.

What's your interaction with the higher power?

Thank you.

It starts with thank you. It starts with thank you for my health. Thank you for

my life. Thank you for my family.

Thank you for my life, lifestyle.

Thank you for my ability to be a nice human being, to be a grateful person.

And then I'll ask for a few things too.

What are you asking for now, PC?

Manifest it.

I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I don't think that I believe.

Listen, a lot of people believe in the secret and the vision board and all of

that, but it's not something that ever worked for me. I tried it.

I had a vision board. I put shit up on it and I was like, okay, this is what I

want to achieve. But I didn't focus enough on it for it to work.

For me, what has always worked is having the small next dream, you know,

the next step.

So that you always have to take a step up in the ladder to be able to get to

top. You can't get to the top by flying up. Human beings don't fly.

It's a way of saying manifest something achievable. Yes.

And then slowly you'll turn around and say, oh, whoa, look at this legacy I've

created. But if you have unachievable dreams, something that seems too out of

the ordinary, then you're waiting for a miracle.

And miracles don't happen very often.

You have to create it for yourself.

So what's the next step in your big dream? If you want to buy a car, say,

example, you have to figure out how much it's for.

So if you have to buy anything for 100 rupees, then you have to make that 100

rupees.

So you have to work backwards from your goal. So if my goal is one thing, I'll

work backwards. And what is the first step in that goal, I'll take that. Then

the next step in that goal and slowly you'll buy your car.

What would you like to change about this whole journey till this point? Is there

anything you'd like to do differently?

Yeah, I'd like to tell my younger self not to have stressed out so much.

I used to have a lot of anxiety around...

Losing my job, losing my position.

Losing time.

No, never time. Because that's a very, very common thing now with teenagers,

with college. Everyone's afraid that they're getting too old. When they're

I mean, I'm not afraid at 40 of getting too old yet.

Yeah, well, that's your glass ceiling for you right there.

What do you mean? I mean, you're telling yourself you're too old at 18.

It's like everyone's aging. That's the one thing as a fact we know, birth and

death. That's going to happen to all of us.

You have to age.

Like that's something to really come to terms with early on in your life.

I feel aging feels really nice.

Like it makes me feel very chill.

Why are we putting so much equity on aging?

That's the one thing we know that is going to happen.

What is the stress around it?

You're going to get older.

I mean, yeah, I feel like I did when I was still 18.

Like I'm going to get older. And who am I right now at this age is what's

important. What is my best opportunity at 18, at 25, at 35, at 60?

Who is it that you want to be?

I was just doing an interview with Falguni Nair and she started and started

Naika at 50.

Like that was her idea.

And she built it into an empire today.

So age ain't nothing but a number. That's a real, real fact.

We put too much equity on age. It just doesn't matter.

What matters is what you do about your life in the moment right now.

It's also the people around other people telling them that they're getting too

old. So then don't keep those people around you. Break up with them. Bye.

Peace out.

Keep the people around you that are your champions.

And maybe this is also something I realized when I'm older, but I tell

people this all the time. Do not hang around with poisonous people.

Do not keep people around you that are toxic, that mess with your brain. Keep

people around you that are genuinely happy for you.

Only people that are genuinely happy for you. And if that's two people, you're a

rich person.

Meeting you was a very big turning point for me. I mean, I'm saying that again.

In what way?

saw what you are in truth you know in in reality who you are right so many

people put on masks on the show even today i've done so you are 12th episode

i've done 400 now wow and we still have lots of people putting on masks and

you're just the same person you're very real very professional very very polite

like i can sense people can sense the kindness and that's the joy of

that you really get to know who the other person is over a long nice

conversation like this But it's not easy to be a public person.

Like, you know, we talk a lot about and we point a lot of fingers at celebrities

and public people.

It's a really hard job.

It is so hard to be dinner table conversation every single day.

It is so hard to walk into a room and know that somebody is going to be

about me when I leave.

Good, bad, ugly, not my control.

It is so hard to wake up every morning and know that I am for public

consumption. And it can be an opinion that is completely the opposite of who I

am. People could think I'm unlikable. People could say that I'm a horrible

person. People could say I'm unprofessional. That's not my truth.

But I can't change that opinion.

So if I sit and read every comment or every negative thing on social media or

keep wondering about the paranoia of when I walk out of a room, what is

saying? Oh my God, I'll never be able to achieve anything.

But it's so hard. Cut people a break.

Cut public people.

Everyone aspires to be a celebrity. Everyone is like, oh, I want to be

and I want to be in that position. But nobody sees how hard it is.

Like it is so hard when you are going to a shadi. Suppose you're family ki

shadi. And everyone is talking about you and pointing fingers at you. Can you

imagine how you'll feel?

Do you still go for family functions and all that?

Can you? Can you? Because it's the same fame angle.

Means? You reach like this level of fame. I can't imagine you. So you're

I'm not going to dance on the bharat of my brother's wedding?

Maybe. Maybe nahi bhai. Of course.

My cousins, my brothers.

Family is most important to me.

My fame is a by -product of my job.

It does not define me. My fame is not my job. It's very clear to me.

I am not famous for a living.

I work for a living.

And fame comes with it.

So it's not something I can control.

That's something that trusts upon me. The reason I'm asking you such incisive

questions is, again, I'm trying to learn like you. Like you're setting the bar

for the media professionals.

And that's what I meant the last time as well. I realized that this is what it

takes. You know, this kind of professionalism, this kind of energy.

So don't get me wrong. No, I'm not getting you wrong at all. I'm just

elaborate on something that people don't really think about sometimes.

You know, public people, even though you're seeing a celebrity or someone

day on like billboards or magazines,

there's still a human being behind them.

They also like to eat paratha and achar. They also like to sit in a, like we

also like to sit in a palti and dance at the barat of your cousin and make sure

that you get, you know, great food.

The desires of a human being is the same.

The needs, or at least the people that I know. I keep my friends, my family.

I'm a very grounded person. I come from the ground and I'm going to stay there.

And the day I behaved a certain way, my mom would put a tapli on my head and

say, come back to earth, buddy.

Does it happen now?

Because I don't need it. I don't come from a place of arrogance.

Okay, gotcha. I never did. I mean, I may have had a little bit of that when I

was in my early 20s where I was like, wow, I'm famous.

Everyone knows me.

And then quickly I realized when six of my films flopped that it doesn't last,

buddy. You have to consistently keep working. So I never rest on my laurels.

That's your downfall right there.

All right.

Too much to absorb here.

I do have one final question.

This is great.

That's how we get the views.

Thanks for the views PC.

So anyway.

Views are like drugs for YouTubers.

True. Okay.

So here's my honest question.

In terms of success. I genuinely mean it when I say that.

Like in the modern day. You're one of the most successful human beings.

On this planet.

After seeing so much success. What have you understood about the meaning of

life?

What has life become after that?

Like why do you have to keep going?

Why can't we all just.

Go to beaches or meditate. Or become monks.

You can.

Okay what's your meaning of life?

I think the meaning of life is having purpose.

We're born. And we'll die.

What you do in between that.

Is. Your legacy. And if your legacy is, you know, walking with sand between your

toes and living in a shack and being happy and meditating, sure, it's an

individual choice. Success is very subjective.

To each person is their own. My success might be completely not attractive to

somebody else's success, you know. So the equity that we put on...

you know, you're the most successful, one of the most successful people on the

planet, whatever, great. That's my version of it.

You know, but somebody else's version of it could be completely different. But I

really believe that what your purpose in life and what you do between birth and

death is what counts.

So the pursuit of anything else is just futile.

The pursuit should be, what am I doing in my life? What do I want to do in my

life? Who do I want to be? Who do I want to touch? What do I want to create? Do

I want to create? Or maybe I don't want to create.

And all of it is fine.

As long as you're at peace with the choices you make.

So make choices that make you feel peaceful.

Gotcha. All right.

PC, another epic episode.

Any signing off notes?

Well, the only thing I'll say is the one thing you didn't talk about was I'm

very excited about the multiple things that I do. But the one thing I'm really

and the reason that I have come back and I really wanted to come back to Bombay.

But launching Anomaly in India really helped me, you know, have a reason to

back right now. Because now I don't have a home in Bombay.

You always have a home in Bombay. Bombay is my home. The whole of Mumbai is my

home. But, you know, like.

Becoming a founder was terrifying because that's not what I do. It's not

something I knew.

But creating hair care, understanding why do I want to get into beauty,

skin, which one should I do?

What is the gap? That learning of creating a brand, which I'm so proud of.

not for the fact that, oh, I've created a beauty product, but the fact that I

found a white space.

which I could create a product that you would have spent five times more money

to buy.

And the Indian new consumer is very aspirational. You know, we want to take

of ourselves. We want to look our best.

We want to get the best brands in the world. We're aware, especially that Gen

that you're talking about.

But we're also aware about what we're putting in our system.

We want to eat good. We want to try good stuff.

So I'm very proud of Anomaly because it hits that trifecta.

We make all our packaging from 100 % recycled trash, from ocean -bound

to landfills. So we pick up trash and we create these bottles. And because we're

making our bottles from plastic trash, we didn't spend too much on it. That

us more of a budget to have really excellent formulas.

And when you use it, you will know. Please keep a bag for Ranveer.

Looking forward.

We'll be bathing in some anomaly tonight. Yeah, you will.

And another thing. is that marketing has always told us men's hair care needs

and women's hair care needs are different. Hair is made of the same

Don't fall for this marketing thing.

Anomaly is for anyone who has hair on their head.

Please use.

And also the fact that it is clean. It has none of the bad stuff that usually

formulas and shampoos do. If you read the ingredients of any shampoos, you'll

see things like... Sulfate, silicones.

Like that stuff should not exist in your shampoo. Mineral oil exists in

shampoos. Mineral oil goes into your car.

Why is it on your head? Can you imagine what it is doing to your scalp and your

system? It's crazy.

But to be able to create something which is clean, affordable, sustainable, and

excellent at the same time is something I was really, really proud of.

And when we brought it to Nykaa, we on the first day sold one anomaly product

every seven seconds.

And that just was amazing to me.

And then we had repeat customers.

And in the last three months, we're the top 10 hair care brands on Nykaa. And

they have like some 400, 500 hair care brands.

So it just makes you feel really proud of the fact that you've made something

good. And whenever you make a good movie, it's the same feeling. I'm sure

you have a good podcast.

Like this one? Yeah, like this one, hopefully.

Like, yeah, man, I did something good.

So it's a really good feeling.

Yeah. Priyanka Chopra sharing her blessings with the world.

That's all I'll say. I'll say one more thing though.

I think it's just the beginning of your business career and you're going to like

really flourish. The same energy is going to enter this and it's my crystal

ball. I hope your crystal ball is right this time. It's telling me the truth.

You're one of those people who just touches something and it turns to gold.

it doesn't just turn to gold. In the long term PC.

You have to work towards making it gold.

That's your perfectionism speaking out. No, it's not. It's just the truth. You

don't think so?

You cannot touch something. Only Midas could do that. You cannot pick up

something and say, oh, it's going to be great. It took a year and a half of

research, of trying Anomaly on my friends, my family, my team. They were

lab rats sitting and thinking about what the font should be, where the rose gold

should be, should the trash be up front, what the smell of it should be.

All of that takes work. You just see the end of it and you say it's gold. It's

gold because of the work that's gone into it. Yeah, I meant that you're a

manufacturer of gold. And you said you believe in reincarnation. So what if the

modern day Midas is like reborn as Priyanka Chopra? Oh boy, what a thought.

I wish I had a collection of real gold, buddy. I'd be so rich.

I think you do.

It's just not the gold that the world recognizes as gold. It's all the

that are with you. The blessings that you spread.

Priyanka Chopra, thank you for blessing TRS again.

Thank you so much. The last time was a turning point. This time it's going to

a rocket. I know it.

So I'm saying this extremely humbly, but you're a good luck charm.

Trust me. Thank you. I hope so. Especially for our team, but generally.

you so much luck and love. And I know that, you know, you've expanded and done

so well so far. And I hope your trajectory is always just up. Thank you.

I will repay you. I don't know how, but I will. It means a lot. Thank you so

much. Thank you, PC.

Of course.

So right after this episode, I felt extremely enriched with information.

I felt motivated and I felt sure that.

The podcast is going to take off once again because of all that good luck that

rubbed off on us.

My hope and request to Priyanka Chopra is that she visits us in our home studio

because this room and this studio brings out the best from guests.

Sometimes we're limited on set because of multiple reasons.

Mostly it's time constraints.

But I feel that the culture of podcasting is improving a lot in India.

remember when we had done our first episode with her.

India didn't even know what podcasts were, honestly. I didn't know how to

podcast. If you go and actually listen to that particular episode, you'll be

able to tell how far we've come. I used to actually hold a sheet full of

questions back then. That's how early we had began this journey. And now we're

almost 400 episodes in with a Hindi language podcast as well.

Hoping to have Priyanka Chopra on that one. Also hoping to have her on the

English podcast once again.

And here's wishing her all the best for her entrepreneurial journey with

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