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but

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you know miss your father it's

surprising how few people seem to

remember him

those who do say that he wasn't a

monster more in the mould of a hydric

sort of an ikemen but they also endured

he inspired terror

I really Campari and soda for mr. Van

Dyke and coffee for me when you come to

ask them what was casta like

vade uncertain what is it better this is

a long time ago nobody cares

he's dead and gone the whole Nazi

business is dead ago I wonder

anyway that's what the program is about

we'll see why are you after Kessler it

makes good copy I'll do it for money so

I do it better than people to do it for

a job don't you upset people routing

about like this is your father let me

tell you something public opinion just

doesn't matter ignore it it goes away I

learned that from the Nazis do you mind

if we go to have a look at the house

before we get to your turn course not

hello I'm Adam Dunn good morning madam

can we go to the hotel first yes

certainly if God is weak thank you

if you'll excuse me mr. I have to make

someone then get back to their tape of

course I'll see you in the studios

it's a beautiful square lime cement okay

six years since my mother brought me

here

we wanna be stay tuned two weeks then

she was taking you again

which was your um parents house that's

one

my mother and I came to look at it every

day don't you wish it is yours

no truly

I wouldn't want to leave Israel

permanently I'm sorry I'm late god I've

been talking with Ferrari he's the one

who runs the Candide over there I told

you bunny he was the leader of lifeline

during the war they even think so now

they were the people who got over a

thousand Allied air crew out and back to

the United Kingdom you have to respect

that

the bit that interests me is that

Kessler used to eat regularly in his

restaurant they could observe him more

closely than most yeah can you identify

him you think so but he's old now we'll

see come along to my little

identification parade you might even

meet some interesting people you might

even get some of the material you're

looking just want to sit in the

background no introduction oh by the way

how did you get on with that financial

investigation you promised to let me

have anything you found out I said in

exchange for it would give me let's

exchange together shall we

I can't tell you one thing his financial

arrangements are not ordinary hair Dorf

has some very peculiar anomalies in his

banking if he is Kessler could explain a

great deal

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good else miss Yvonne I cleanse it

yes other for it I'll bear but uh

don't you know me hell there

money

they told me they were trying to get you

to come when you bought a lift to the

fourth floor room 406 thank you thank

you I had no idea we were to be together

and how are you oh well well not so bad

for an old man

do you still have the cone deed oh yes I

have six other restaurants candied is

still my favorite I still live there

can I come see the old place of course

how long you staying

just reading would you care to have

dinner with me how very good of you

birth to young all right

but underneath it how do you do miss

your father if you'd like to come along

to the editing suite we can organize

some refreshments have a little chat

thank you

this is a wonderful opportunity to see

some very dear friends again yes you

must have seen more of Kessler than the

most civilians in Russells during the

world yes I suppose we did he ate

frequently at the canteen so Monsieur

forty was saying it really is amazing

but he never realized you were involved

in life life

may I introduce my assistant Ellen's own

belt and my editor win Daniel

mrs. Dunford miss your party I do please

sit down I'd like you to have a looked a

few bits of this rough assembly wind

down to the Dorf interview with Lisbon

Dorf industries came into existence like

a theni

well it grown one moment it was a bomb

site no great time later there it was

interesting though

Dorf didn't put in an appearance until

1950 what you're going to see now is

part of an interview I managed to

browbeat him into giving me bring up the

son William please excellent facilities

a little they don't fit is being said

but your name is not actually Manfred or

at all but that you are really Ludwick

Kessler native of Berlin I think your

pop your real name is good because now

you were born belly

I remember I was bowling balls

I know of no don't we can you explain

why there are no documents relating to

Manfred or prior to 1947

no no birth certificate no record of

parents could you turn something you

must understand that really buildings

were destroyed in the bombing at the end

of the Second World War

thousands of dollars lost but there's no

mystery

your late wife was Belgian I think yeah

she was

do you try that you were in Belgium from

the Low Countries during the occupation

yes I do I saw my country sit there when

will you and there's a lot more like

that now what's your 40 do you recognize

it off is he little bit Kessler he's

difficult to be sure after all this time

people change in your opinion I can't

say the possibly missus Danford oh yes

that man is kisser are you sure you have

to be sure I'm quite sure there are some

things one doesn't forget as soon as I

heard his voice the hair stood up on the

back of my neck great thank you very

much now if you just like to go into the

next room with Ellen here there's

someone there I think you might like to

meet I'll join you in a moment

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what do you mean that's two independent

identifications to out to fine not good

odds mind here I need to be sure than

that if I'm to hand over a prosecution

to the civil police I've dug up stuff

that'll make your hair stand on end have

a look at the rest of the program then

I'll show you the bits I had to leave

out probably to let me have a copy of

your program to take back to bomb we'll

be having some VHS copies made we'll see

that the gentleman gets a copy with you

see you too why haven't you been back to

see us up well you know how to use

another country another family have you

haven't changed a bit all of you have

you been happy do you like it yes yes

it's been good I've got a 24 year old

son now you know Michael his name is he

wants to join the army like his father

but Stephen said no there'll be plenty

of time to talk of such things

Hugo will be Danny

oh there you didn't tell me was a

surprise and that interview with Kessler

it was Kessler you know there's yes

that's what I said I wasn't sure I said

I wasn't prepared to be definite

in any event what does it matter oh here

you are I'm glad to see you Lenny's

looking after you shall we take our

coffee and things around the table we're

gonna have a chat mrs. Dunphy do please

supply thank you we had some chocolate

cake oh why did she want to speak to

Hugo yes there's a Miss Rock wanting to

see you her she do we know her no but

she said she got a letter you sent her

mother in Israel I say all right

I stick her in the editing so we don't

be on a minute could you send out to the

fourth floor I'll meet her at the lift I

won't ask what this is really a need yes

of course you may as you probably know I

do a regular TV program called in our

time it tries to be investigative

controversial looks into contemporary

questions matters of public interest and

so on now the program that is going out

on Wednesday examines the whole question

of Nazi war criminals which is coming to

focus again in several countries we all

try to forget the war I've been

scratching around this subject for years

there's a great deal more material than

you've seen you wouldn't believe what

still goes on in Europe and South

America I kid you not

Nazism exists today like a giant mafia

throughout Germany in Europe I can't

believe that you tuned into the program

my friend to make your hair tell alright

look I'll just get rid of this girl and

I'll be right back please hello i'm hugo

van Eyck I don't think we met I can give

you a couple of minutes Michal luck hmm

from Tel Aviv you wrote to my mother

several weeks ago it was about the man

Kessler well to be honest we wrote to

many people who had possibly suffered

due to this man oh I see yes we wrote a

great many letters your letter did not

say why you were inquiring but I found

out you think Ezra did not die I'm sure

he didn't but unfortunately I can't

prove it

I want to know it is important to me

because you good mother Kessler send my

mother and a family to the house ah

have you got the Israeli file Ellen did

you bother tell you that yes my mother

survived you see he wanted their house

what did you say her name was

Michal luck he wanted their house

neither gone place for his clerks to

work him my family were Jewish so

instead of just having my mother two

brothers and my grandparents thrown out

onto the street he sent them to Dachau

was your mother the only one that

survived I don't think she ever really

left a huh what do you mean you know the

old story she watched her baby brothers

heads being smashed to the part by a

guard

she found that one of the bodies that

she was loading into a furnace for

better for father how old was your

mother when she was taken 17 after her

parents and brothers were all dead she

managed to keep her life because she was

young

that's good Sara six of the guards for

extra food see she died last March I

buried her in the war cemetry outside

Tel Aviv I found you letter among her

pleas in a sanatorium what happens your

father I never knew it I don't think my

mother even knew his name

she spent most of her life in their

asylum in Tel Aviv for a short while she

lived in a kibbutz

at the time of the sweets operation

that's when I was conceived why did she

leave the kibbutz after she left da

Holland came to Israel she was never

truly Saint for more than a few weeks at

a time while she was pregnant with me

they had to send her back to the asylum

she was still there when she died

and I can't speak to you he doesn't oh

excuse me

I shan't be a moment but surely you

don't fly oh you mean because of this I

was flying yonkers eighty-eights for two

years after this happened haha I was the

original automatic pilot ha ha ha I come

straight to the pint head director the

bankers of the opinion that Talmud has

been investigating your accounts can you

be sure about this bankers are aware of

woman of their pranks is being

investigated it seldom happens to

someone of your status here later

I should there be a search credit where

the news is obvious excuse me

there's no means of checking the source

this unwarranted intrusion into private

affairs I have nothing to hide as you

must know but I rather resent that it

should happen

dddd we were first alerted to the

possibility by Becker and Seberg in

London British Bankers a highly

sensitive in statistics and we feel that

all eight accounts with us both private

and company accounts and the handles

bank in Amsterdam

I imagine that such an investigation

could only happen through an official

source in your case yes does it make

that much difference no but if it's

social we'll go for a drink actually

it's official but not terribly so if you

for me no but don't keep me in suspense

it's your area Tom they want your West

German pals to do a bit of sipping

points oh yes have a look at this it's

an interview stuff for the Belgian TV

programme VRT centre to the BBC for

comment and help with archive film

investigative journalism that sort of

thing I just had it slung at me by the

jic anybody we know yes and no by which

I mean we know the man didn't know he

was possibly a war criminal in a Nazi

rather embarrassing I didn't think

anybody cared now this one's a bit

different

he's an industrialist bigwig gunman does

a lot of business with his organization

last year we gave permission for him to

build a factory here in the UK

it's all big egg on a FaceTime well what

do you want me to do about it but I

can't actually attach it if you follow

me officially I mean can you push the

bait into your friends court possibly

uh-huh you want the jurors to put their

house in order

yeah something like that can you torture

opposite number and get him organized

while the water is still warm they seem

to be on the fringes it is well I'll

have a look at your stuff and see what I

can do bye John

bye mark

I don't care what you say Maura I am

being investigated well it's not the

Bureau ID no I assure you I want to know

if there's anything official about it

are you sure you're being investigated

I've been around long enough to know by

instinct but there have been questions

asked my bank have said they think it's

happening question is who that question

was to be followed by why and how much

do they know has anyone got a reason no

to my mind there's only one answer you

remember the television interview I gave

to that Belgian fine Ike well he thinks

he's discovered my identity but he can't

prove it I sensed at the time he wasn't

gonna leave the matter there it's my

guess that he's in touch with someone

here in the bureau someone who's

starting these inquiries and please

check it out mouth

and if it is one of your people get him

off our back well that seems suspicious

and your the interview they've got then

it's up to you to see that it's done

without suspicion isn't it Maura

Mara is not the man he once was

we might have to think of replacing him

have your people in Brussels managed to

do anything about that television

interview no what about the man fan Ike

it is not so easy with a well-known

personality it might prove dangerous and

when the program goes out it belt him

tonight make sure that you are away

somewhere and cannot be called for

interviews and they can have no evidence

that would satisfy a court in a couple

of months or so no one will even

remember the name of the program let

alone your car today I just wish I knew

exactly what this program was about I

will try to find out before you leave

for England in the meantime I think you

should stay away from the factory

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you know as well as I do that the moment

the spotlight is on email just disappear

into the woodwork there is months of

research sitting up there in those files

these pools of tape when this program

goes out tonight it's gonna knock them

sideways and that means it's good for

another two maybe three programs I'm

gonna milk it and I'm not having anyone

home you gonna my work understand you

don't care what that man has done to my

family and thousands like that girl love

I care about making the best possible TV

programs about subjects I think interest

people personal Crusades against a bunch

of geriatric Nazis just don't ring the

cash register whim see if you can make

him drop his eyes when I asked him about

Brussels they are you still here

just tell me where he lives look I had

to take this program to be done I'll

make a deal with you I'll give you

Dolph's address in return you will give

me any information you'll find a link

them to Kessler right that's a deal the

deal includes you giving me everything

before I give you anything other than

this basic info sheet on Dolph

which Ln will photocopy for you now will

you please get the hell out of here I

have work to do thank you

good evening colonel I'll tell father

you're here thank you kind of rockets

here

did you succeed partially I managed to

get hold of a VHS of the program

material being transmitted in Belgium

tonight France you wanna see it now yes

yes of course we'll watch it in the

study

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tonight in our time turns its attention

to the subject of Nazi recent events in

Europe have alerted us to the

possibility the fascism may once again

be rising in certain areas of Europe

threatening the peace and stability of

fell posing a menace to minority groups

such as the Jews were already suffered

so much during the last half century

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is it a question of certain elements

among the young wishing to assert

themselves under the guise of national

socialism is it the latter-day writings

of the old Nazi guard who survived the

Damis of Hitler's Germany or is it a

deeply felt and deeply concealed wish of

those who once supported the regime's of

Hitler Mussolini and Franco but the

trials and obvious benefits brought by

dictatorships outweigh the curtailing of

human rights and feelings we will be

speaking with at least one important

German industrialist a well known figure

throughout the West whose background may

not be all that it seems just outside of

Buenos Aires there is a Township called

the Gasca where there's a small

community of ex-nazis living in modest

circumstances they speak German most of

the town speaks German there we found

carl gottlieb ground how chuff your

engine possess s for a second in command

of imagina concentration camp where he

was known as the swinger a man whose

vile practice it was to pick up little

children and small babies by their

ankles and dash their brains out against

the nearest wall

no I don't know otherwise the swinger I

am standing now in front of the central

office block of Dorf industries in

Krefeld this multi-million multinational

organization one of the largest

manufacturers plastics pharmaceutical

compounds and explosives in Europe today

it is apparently owned and run by

Manfred Dorf a highly respected citizen

of West Germany with business interests

in Switzerland Holland Austria and the

UK but where did the money come from

that built this industrial giant we're

in point of fact did her dog come from

in Belgium the older generation have

good reason to remember a certain SS

standartenfuhrer who is in charge of

internal security throughout the

occupation

his name was kessler certain links

certain coincidences made us decide to

have a closer look at hair Dorf in

Krefeld

we were granted an interview during

which I made it my business to ask some

unexpected questions the door that has

been said but your name is not actually

Manfred Dorf at all but you are really

Ludwig cassia native of Berlin I beg

your pardon your real name is Murphy

Kessler you were born in Berlin it's

quite untrue

I meant for Delilah's oh I know it low

Tesla can you explain why there are no

documents relating to Manfred dwarfed

prior to 1947 no no birth certificate no

record of parents you must understand

that windy buildings were destroyed in

the bombing of the end of the Second

World War

thousands of Boston there's no mystery

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we will be devoting future programs to

the continuation of our search join us

again next week for another program on

the major issue in our time

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so he got away with it well what does it

matter there are other things now that

man was Kessler and he should be made to

pay for what he did

I wonder he was fighting for his country

in his own way I didn't think any of us

have the right to accuse him oh he had

hundreds of people killed so did every

general in the war on both sides are you

saying urine bag and all that was a fuss

what are we supposed to do oh don't

let's quarrel about things long past now

look I've been saving this for a very

special occasion and this is it I'm sure

you're going to enjoy this you haven't

changed

in her a perhaps it wasn't Kessler at

all it was him I agree it was him may

all be making a terrible mistake

anyway what does it matter it's too late

the time to punish is not over a quarter

of a century after the event you just

want to forget it I don't want to forget

it it's just it's just that well oh

don't ask me no I'll ask the survivors

of Auschwitz and Belson I don't think

you'll find much inclination there to

forgive and forget and I don't blame

them I can never forget this has

depressed us all quite enough now let's

enjoy this good Connie and Natalie money

to you and absent friends absent friend

but surely you can lean on him a little

so we may enjoy public popularity but

after all he's only a glorified

journalist this is too dangerous

you know as well as I do Manfred the

security of the organization must come

first and what about the individual what

about me I have taken years to build up

this my industries it's not a little

thing it is not a little Sam the

organization has contributed to set it

up time II went to earth Manfred

disappear for six months closed the

house tonight go to the country to a

hotel your house anywhere no no I'm

doing London at the trade conference

next week I shall go as planned and stay

here until I go and if the press pick it

up it becomes official then you my dear

hands would have to instruct a camera to

get me out which you will do because I

have the key to the money box and if I

have to go

it comes with me with me heads and

nobody will be able to touch it without

my agreement

that's not don't know are they alone

she's let me set off one alarm and I had

a word with Carl Gooden to give me a

hand

find out who it is I'll tell father Carl

take them around the back of the house

what are you doing here

I came to see her dope legitimate

businesses use the front door go and

tell her doc we have an intruder put

your hands on the table

Hotel lista man

me Carlock shoot

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what's happening what's been going on

out there I think she was Jewish that

girl her name was Nick hell rack she had

an Israeli passport did you find out

anything else about her she got away in

a Belgium registered car dxh something

or other that was all was it no I found

a room key on her from the hotel mr. man

go on that's it I'm afraid I think this

is for Maori to attend to

mara Dorf

now listen carefully the tempt has just

been made to get into my house by as an

Israeli girl exactly

Israeli she was driving a car with a

Belgian license spec beginning with the

letters D X H I agree from Belgium it's

too much of a coincidence I'll expect

your man in half an hour

I suggest you do exactly that mr. Mallen

hotel this is the one by the station is

it yes yes I think so

then why are the Israelis after you

Manfred you didn't persecute the Jews as

far as I remember no I don't see that as

a motive no the fact that this girl has

come from Belgium implies a connection

with this fan Mike we really must do

something about him it's the best lead

we've had Karl

Kessler's a bigwig we know he is

we just lie down time and watch you lead

us straight to the camera division then

we can break them once a fall that will

take more than you or I Richard Barr you

have a call for me

ah what if you unscramble 38 will you

please Bauer

hello Tom richard has the van Eyck door

faint have you been transmitted yet is

your department officially interested

enough to do anything about this why not

let me call you back when I have some

more information which may not be all

that long no if you get an official go

ahead you will let me know won't you

bye

Tom Deacon mi6 Lundy wanted to know if

I'd seen the BRT thing there's another

thing well my calls are being monitored

you can tell it is impossible to know I

can tell I don't feel it in my name mr.

Bauer

yes sir not at all sir

I'll come along right away

that didn't take long

you expect

well Richard

Arijit I'll be watching your work in

this department with some interest your

keen efficient well liked by your

colleagues and by those with whom we

cooperate abroad

that's good excellent but sometimes we

allow our enthusiasm to persuade us to a

course of action which without knowing

it is not wished by our superiors I

cigarette a lot of these they're not

very heavily scented I have them made up

in London they could no I don't very

well

now you've been pursuing a case of a man

fred door may I ask why he was put

forward in a television interview as

being exercised war criminal Ludovic

Kessler seemed to me a matter for

investigation so I took the normal

investigative steps unfortunately

another section of our department is

interested in this and in other matters

and they are extremely angry that a

member of my staff should without

consulting anyone a prejudice their case

by ill-considered and precipitate action

ID Richard you put me in a most

difficult position I'm sorry sir I

didn't know this man

Dorf is Kessler it's very much a matter

for this bureau surely we do not pursue

war criminals long after the statute of

limitations has passed it's a waste of

time and money I was merely trying to

keep the files up to date well I think

in view of the inevitable press

intervention that it might be as well if

you took your annual leave we'll make it

up to two months that'll give it all

time to blow over save us a lot of

embarrassment they all I don't really

want to go on leave sir

My dear Richard I'm not suggesting

you've got a move I'm ordering you to it

if the minister's get wind of this

they'll be all hell to pay and I don't

want to members of my stuff on the

carpet now do i from tomorrow right

Belgian papers are full of it look

can you say where her doll face she has

gone to the country head Gulf of

Thailand off have got away I have no

idea when expose to a town I can give

you no more information do you don't

leave a message

there's nothing I can so where is her

death no I'm sorry I'm

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thank you hello hello we have I've been

to dogs house but they seem to have left

the place is surrounded by reporters yes

I'm certain I'm going to drive out to

the factory and check if he's not there

we must assume he's gone out to the

country at rest at least it's worth a

try right

I'll pack our stuff and settle the bill

see you in about half an hour half an

hour don't go to sleep bad

I couldn't go not without saying goodbye

come back bring Stephen and they all sat

next time we have plenty

they didn't seem to be much time

everything went so quickly

your own direct tomorrow please head off

mara have you seen the Belgian papers

this morning and I should be extremely

upset of anything like that appeared an

Olive Press yes I think you'd better do

that have you managed to trace that

Israeli girl yet should I contact

Colonel looking for you no no I'll do

that

please let Franz go with you everywhere

now don't be so silly if anything

happened to you there's no one else who

has access to the Swiss economist don't

you worry about that I'm not exactly new

to living under difficult conditions

you're an old man come around in the

Bekaa Laurel

they still hold Germany's destiny and

control much more than you or anyone

else imagines don't forget that you will

be foolish to do so the bureau decides

to make you escape it will make the

money available to them to us that

contingency is taken care there's no

need to concern yourself or your friends

why not

because whatever funds are available go

directly to the camera Dan Becker

controllers your friends do not come

into it by the only active organization

to lead Germany back to National

Socialism do you think those old fools

living in Brazil and Paraguay ever going

to do anything are the toothless old

refugees pretending to be Hitler's old

guard waiting for the tag that will

never come waiting for their rash

lighter to lead Germany back to

supremacy that's so stupid

you were happy enough to be part of it

not so many years ago but it was father

light years ago there a young men in

Germany who are not talking of the old

days and crying over their uniforms is

that what you think of me not you not

the colonel

you're both different the young people

worship you and Colonel rocket

forget the old guard join the young ones

lead us Ingrid your friends doubtlessly

mean well but they are children without

purpose without faith throwing bombs

killing a few Jews hijacking planes

making hostages of old men these are the

trappings of foolishness they are

pointless senseless futile your brave

young friends are no better and no

different from the baader-meinhof

lunatics if you imagine a new Germany

will grow from such beginnings then you

are not my daughter and I believe that

you are

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