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Huh?
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MICHAEL JACKSON: I think every child
is born to do a certain thing.
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I knew I wanted to be a...a star.
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HE GIGGLES
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Just being on the stage.
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Just looking out
over a sea of faces...
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CHEERING AND SCREAMING
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..when they're chanting
and screaming.
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And I wanted it.
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Because I wanted to be loved.
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That's the real truth -
I wanted people to truly love me.
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A lot of people ask,
who was Michael Jackson really?
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I mean, he was a child star
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who became the most famous man
on the planet.
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LOUD CHEERING
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This is a man who changed
the music industry.
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I mean, he is a musical genius.
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But he was also accused
of abusing children...
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..and died without a cent
to his name.
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I mean, this is the ultimate story
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of power, celebrity
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and money.
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CROWD SCREAMS
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And now the battle is raging
for the truth
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and Michael Jackson's legacy.
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The number one artist in the world!
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That level of megastardom
is not healthy.
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People are not gods.
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Tonight, Jackson is wanted by police
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of multiple felony counts
of child molestation.
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The Jackson machine just keeps
right on rolling.
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Are you guys ready for me?
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Whenever you're ready.
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People don't know my brother.
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They never did.
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They thought they did.
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And I think it's important for
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the public, the world, to see...
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..I don't want to say the truth,
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but from a family member's
perspective.
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And that's important to me,
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so you get it right
and you understand,
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as opposed to reading
nonsensical things in the media.
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INTERVIEWER: What do you do mostly?
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I mean, you know,
in your spare time.
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Sports. Yeah.
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Messing around.
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I go swimming all the time.
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Like swimming.
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And play basketball.
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Catching lizards and things.
Messing around.
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My memory of Mike is
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basically a child
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that was far older than his age.
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Mike was always just feisty.
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No. Sit down.
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Now, I would like to show you...
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As young kids,
we would have a photo shoot.
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He would stand there, and then he
would get out the picture and say,
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"No, put Jermaine here, Jackie here,
and I will be in the middle."
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And this is a little kid
talking to his siblings.
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ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: Northwestern
Indiana is not like any other part
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of the state because
it is solely industrial.
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One factory next
to another for miles.
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The negro population of Gary,
Indiana is 45.8%,
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the highest percentage in any city
north of the Mason-Dixon line.
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Growing up in Indiana,
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it was humble beginnings.
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My father, Joseph,
worked in the steel mills.
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And we were a large family
from a small home.
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It was two bedrooms.
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In one of the rooms, the brothers
slept and there were six bunk beds.
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And my sisters and I, we slept on a,
a let-out sofa in the living room.
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We were a family that loved music.
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And when Mike was around
eight or nine,
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he would do riffs constantly
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and no matter what you would sing
to him, he would do it even better.
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My father, he saw them performing
together and he says,
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"Geez."
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He became their manager
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because he saw a bigger and brighter
future.
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They used to do shows,
what they called back then,
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was the Chitlin' Circuit.
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It was famous black artists,
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but they were performing
for a black audience.
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Don't be afraid. Don't be ashamed.
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We want black power.
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We want black power.
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We want black power.
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To perform during that period
of time was very challenging,
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based on the fact that we were
kind of relegated
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to certain areas of our country
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and not very welcome in some parts.
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But we learned how to deal with it
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and how to break down the barrier
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that they thought
they put in front of us.
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# ..I know
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# And bring it
back to Tobacco Road. #
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I met Michael when they were coming
in to audition to be on Motown.
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I had to kind of just look at him
and shake my head.
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I said,
"My God, this kid is amazing."
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It was an exciting time.
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They wanted it so badly.
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And then finally, there they are,
signed to Motown.
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# When I had you to myself
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# I didn't want you around
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# Those pretty faces always made you
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# Stand out in the crowd
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# Cos someone picked you
from the bunch... #
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Michael, he had something
that nobody else had,
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and his performances
were meticulously done.
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Watching their growth
over their years
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was sensational.
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We've got some great guests -
the incredible Jackson 5.
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CHEERING
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One of the hottest recording groups
today is the Jackson 5.
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The only American group to have four
consecutive number one records.
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Kids nowadays don't know how big
the Jackson 5 were.
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They were our Beatles,
our black royalty.
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You had Beatlemania,
you had Jacksonmania.
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SCREAMING
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REPORTER: Not since the heyday of
the Beatles, has the music world
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seen anything like the Jackson 5,
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about to receive yet another
platinum record.
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But you have to give a lot of credit
to the original Jackson two -
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Mr and Mrs Joe Jackson.
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I decided to deal with the boys
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as much as I possibly can,
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getting them prepared
to be in show business.
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They come to us originally
from Gary, Indiana -
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the Jackson 5.
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APPLAUSE
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It was just amazing...
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..to see this black family
post-segregation
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who were so famous...
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..and that you could identify with.
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Showed black people
that we can make it in America.
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ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: It's called Los
Angeles, the city of the angels.
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People from all over the world,
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drawn by a city
of limitless boundaries
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and one that offers unlimited
opportunity.
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Growing up in Indiana,
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Mike would have
this little projector thing
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that you put over your eyes
and you would click it
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and it would show a different slide
of LA.
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He would say,
"Oh, this is so beautiful.
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"I would love to live there
one day."
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So moving to Los Angeles
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was simply amazing.
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We were so elated and excited
just to see the beauty of the city.
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And it was such a different life.
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We moved to this huge mansion
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and my father just said,
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"I think this will be
a perfect place."
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And you know, what my father said
goes.
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Let's introduce Mr Joe Jackson,
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the father of...
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APPLAUSE DROWNS SPEECH
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There you are. There you are.
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OK. We're going to find out
who's boss around here.
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Do you have to ever discipline
this lively group you've got here?
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I have a way, you know,
like when Randy don't do right,
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we make him take out all the garbage
or something.
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Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, but what about Michael?
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If Michael...
Michael always does right?
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Is he always...?
No, not all the time.
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The way we discipline Michael
is sort of like,
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we don't give him as much money
to spend.
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Mikey.
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Do you think it's a good profession
for them?
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Yes, I like for them to...
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I moved to Los Angeles...
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..to work for the family
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out of Joseph's office.
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When Joseph spoke to me about coming
to work for the boys,
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he presented himself as
a really concerned, loving father.
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Joseph grew up dirt poor
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before civil rights.
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And to take from nothing
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and build that act was huge.
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And all of a sudden, now he's living
in a wealthy house in Encino,
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he's got a Rolls-Royce.
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He really was chasing
the American dream.
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At that point, they were portrayed
as this happy, loving family.
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But my experience, can't speak
for anybody else's,
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but my experience of what I saw,
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that was the farthest thing
from the truth.
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I went to high school
with Michael's baby sister, Janet,
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and Michael was also
a very close friend.
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When I would be there
and Joseph would pull in,
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you know, the speaker or the phone
would ring and it would be like,
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"Joseph's here," and everyone's
like, "Oh, God, Joseph's here."
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We weren't that, you know,
savvy back then about this stuff.
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But knowing that there was
just weirdness.
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I found out later Joseph...
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..had done some really awful stuff.
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Joseph would put Michael
in the closet,
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in the dressing room, in the dark
and lock it
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so that he was...he would do
what Joseph would tell him to do,
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And nobody figured out
what was going on.
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He wasn't as cruel as people think.
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But Mike had a fear of my father,
we all did
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because we felt,
"OK, what did we do wrong?
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"He's going to discipline us."
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And you were kind of afraid of that.
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It just put something in your belly
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and you would say to yourself,
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"Oh, no."
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His eyebrows would grow, go up
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and his eyes would turn...
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..a deeper green,
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a deeper green than they were.
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And you knew he was angry.
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Everybody would say, "I don't want
to get in trouble
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"because Joseph's going to
strangle us."
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We're right, almost in the middle
of a recording session
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with the Jacksons,
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and we're going to bring the boys
in right now.
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All five of them.
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Here they are.
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Now, I don't have to give any
introduction to these gentlemen,
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do I?
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You knew them originally
as the Jackson 5.
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They're the Jacksons now.
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They record on Epic.
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This is really a special picture
to me.
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Both of our hair is kind of big.
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His face looks completely different.
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So this was earlier, I guess.
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He still looks like
a great looking kid, you know.
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When the Jackson 5 came to Epic,
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they were a good pop group.
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But Michael was so much
the centre of it,
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the star.
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He just wanted to be perfect
in a way.
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He wanted to be the best dancer ever
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and best singer,
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the best entertainer.
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He wanted to be a great.
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You guys are really riding
a big high now,
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as far as producing records
and so on.
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Do you think this is the peak
of your career now,
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or have you gone down a little bit?
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Are you expecting bigger
and better things?
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Well, we're looking forward
to doing other things,
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like producing other people
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and producing ourselves
in the future
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and going into acting
and that type of thing.
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LOUD TRAFFIC DIN
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ARCHIVE PROGRAMME: New York is the
most exciting city in the world,
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but New York has never seen anything
like The Wiz,
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a new musical motion picture being
made here that stars Diana Ross.
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The Wiz was the black version
of The Wizard of Oz.
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And Michael really wanted to be
in that movie.
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My father didn't want him
to venture off into movies...
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..because he felt it would
break up the group,
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and he would go
in a different direction,
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and he wanted to keep
the brothers together.
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As he always said,
"I want to keep my boys together."
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But this is something that Mike saw.
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He loved opportunity
and he went for it.
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How did you feel when you heard
you got the part in The Wiz?
265
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And especially playing
with Diana Ross.
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I was very happy.
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I would talk to Diana on the phone.
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I'd say, "You're going to film
The Wiz next week, huh?"
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Or next month.
And she would say, "Yeah."
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Next thing I notice, I was in it.
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Mike and I were extremely close.
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So we moved to New York together.
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And going to set every day,
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he just embraced it with great joy.
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But most of all,
what he would always say,
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"I'm learning so much, LaToya.
You have no idea."
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Hey, fellas, is today the day you're
going to help me get down from here?
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ALL: Help you down?
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What is going down
280
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in that hayloft you call a head?
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Living in New York,
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we were so used to being
with family,
283
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being controlled by my father,
284
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but, yeah, you could do
what you wanted.
285
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It was so wonderful.
286
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DISCO MUSIC PLAYS
287
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Is Michael there?
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Hi, Michael. Come on in.
You can come right in. Hi.
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How are you?
290
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You just walked in. How are you?
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Michael, this is Jane Hall.
Excuse me. Come sit over here.
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It's been a long day for you,
and you're unwinding here?
293
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Erm, you mean today?
294
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No. We're all finished with the
movie, but I'm just relaxing now.
295
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Just hanging out in New York.
Yes. Studio 54!
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When you hear the name Studio 54,
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what... What does that do?
Does your pulse quicken
298
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and your feet start moving?
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Yeah. I'm ready to have a good time.
300
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It's where you come
when you want to escape.
301
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It's really escapism.
302
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But you're Michael Jackson,
you don't have it so bad.
303
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What are you escaping from?
304
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I'm not escaping from anything.
305
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It's just a change of pace.
306
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Right... It is a change of pace.
307
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He doesn't escape from anything.
308
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If anything, he's one of those
people who are very recognisable...
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Doing The Wiz
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and all the work that he had done...
311
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..and the growth
that came with it...
312
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..took him mentally
in a different direction,
313
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saying, "I want to do a solo album."
314
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By Michael doing The Wiz,
he had a chance to meet
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great composer, arranger -
Quincy Jones.
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And Quincy had worked with Sinatra,
317
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I mean, the greatest music people
ever.
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PHONE RINGS
319
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MICHAEL JACKSON: I called Quincy up
one day.
320
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I said, "Quincy, I'm ready to do
an album, a solo album.
321
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"But I want a real good producer
to work with me."
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I said, "Can you recommend
somebody?"
323
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And he said,
"Why don't you let me do it?"
324
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# Whoa!
325
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# Lovely... #
326
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I remember getting a copy
of Off the Wall,
327
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and when I heard
Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough,
328
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I was just astonished to hear,
"Oh, my gosh."
329
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I said, "Michael,
this is going to be...
330
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,560
.."it's going to be phenomenal."
331
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,160
This is the album that's caused
the storm right around the world.
332
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It's Michael's Off the Wall album
333
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and, hopefully, we've got Michael
in LA on the phone now.
334
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,560
Let's have this. Oh, here we go.
335
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,320
Hello. Michael?
Hello. How are you?
336
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He's the first artist to have
four top ten singles
337
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with his Off the Wall album.
338
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He keeps breaking records.
It's just amazing.
339
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,400
Oh!
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It had to happen.
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I feel like I'm overawed.
342
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He had earned the right to be
Michael.
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CROWD SCREAMS
344
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He felt that it's now my time.
345
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CHATTERING
346
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Mayor? OK.
347
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,560
Let's get the mayor back here.
348
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,800
Yeah.
349
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,080
I'm rolling.
350
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,920
Hey, guys. What'd you think of this?
351
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,840
Were you ever afraid
when you saw that big crowd?
352
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,680
Never afraid. Never afraid.
353
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,600
It's a lot of excitement and it's
nice to see the fans all come out
354
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,000
to greet us at the airport. I think
it's, I think it's wonderful.
355
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,520
What do you have to say for Atlanta?
356
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,160
I'll start here.
357
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,800
Love it, I can't wait,
tomorrow night.
358
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I love it.
359
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,800
We love you, Atlanta.
360
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,240
We love you very much.
361
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,200
Tomorrow night,
everybody be out there
362
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,280
because we're going to do our best.
Have a good time.
363
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INTERVIEWER: At this point, Michael
really is kind of the mainstay
364
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,320
of the Jacksons.
Has it always been that way?
365
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,760
Um, yes. Yes.
366
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,080
Michael has always been
sort of the star?
367
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,680
Yeah. He's been highlighted the
most cos he's the lead singer
368
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,360
and he's up front, you know.
369
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,440
As a little kid, we put him up front
because he danced so much
370
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:45,680
and had so much energy.
371
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,600
I think my brothers,
372
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,640
some of them felt that
once he do this,
373
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he's never coming back.
374
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,600
He's going to abandon us.
375
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:08,080
And that was kind of disturbing
to some of them.
376
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,560
And then the others were just,
"Well, let's see where it goes.
377
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,280
"Let's see where it leads."
378
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,960
I remember the boys being
in the office,
379
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,280
and one of them distinctly said
if it wasn't for them,
380
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,520
Michael wouldn't be who he was
because they were the ones,
381
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,720
and Joseph was the one
who made Michael who he is
382
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,880
and he basically wouldn't
be shit without them.
383
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,000
And it was them that built him.
384
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,000
And Michael's just sitting there
listening to this.
385
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,240
And he sat there and he took it.
386
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,600
I just remember thinking,
387
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,320
"How mean. Why are you guys
being so mean to him?"
388
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,240
I just, I wanted to go in
and, like, hurt them
389
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,760
because they were being mean
to Mike.
390
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,080
SHOUTING AND SCREAMING
391
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,560
I think Michael had grown up feeling
under Joseph
392
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,880
that he wasn't anything more
than a commodity.
393
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,840
And I think in that moment it
crystallised for Michael
394
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,080
that he was nothing more than
a commodity to his brothers.
395
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,320
And I think it broke his heart.
396
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,560
Oh, hi, Steve. I didn't see you.
397
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,640
Fine. How are you?
398
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,880
If things got difficult for Mike,
399
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,400
he always had a very loving
relationship with my mother.
400
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,000
It was a very...
401
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,360
..trusted relationship.
402
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,240
If something upset him, she would
always make sense out of everything.
403
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,880
# Don't look so sad... #
404
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,680
This is one of your favourite songs.
405
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,720
# I know it's... #
406
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,600
My mother
was a very religious person.
407
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,760
She was a Jehovah Witness.
408
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,720
And she always thought if you had
a personal relationship with God,
409
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,720
then he would show you the way.
410
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,840
It's strange being back here.
411
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,800
I haven't lived here for many years.
412
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,400
Yeah, it was such a strange time,
you know, with Michael being
413
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,080
suddenly so famous
414
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,840
and we're just going door-to-door
trying to save souls.
415
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,720
Michael would say,
416
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,480
"Hi, my name is Joe."
417
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,920
That was his middle name,
so he wasn't lying.
418
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,400
"This is my friend Christian.
419
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,400
"We're here to talk to you about the
wonderful hope of God's kingdom."
420
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,720
And the people would kind of stare.
421
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,560
They would think,
422
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040
that guy really looks like
Michael Jackson.
423
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,040
You can kind of see it
in their eyes.
424
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,680
The Jehovah's Witnesses
are millennialists,
425
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,680
so they believe that Armageddon
is coming any day now,
426
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,080
when God's going to cleanse
the Earth of all the evil people.
427
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,440
And so our job as Jehovah's
Witnesses was to go door-to-door
428
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,200
and try to recruit people
to save them
429
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,960
so that they could join the religion
and then, you know,
430
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,680
hopefully make it into the paradise
that was going to come.
431
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,480
Michael had a tough upbringing,
and I think that he had a, you know,
432
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,520
fantastical view of
what he wanted the world to be.
433
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,960
And I think this idea of, uh,
434
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040
God bringing a paradise
just was very appealing.
435
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,960
And I think that was a big part
of his enthusiasm
436
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,000
for going door-to-door,
he genuinely wanted to tell people.
437
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,120
MICHAEL JACKSON: We did
missionary work door-to-door.
438
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,360
We did 90 hours a month.
439
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,720
It was just a wonderful time for me
because it allowed me
440
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,600
to get out into society
and to see people.
441
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,760
I was totally deprived
of seeing people open their doors.
442
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,800
I don't go to other people's houses.
I don't know what they live like.
443
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,360
So when they would open the door
and say, "Come in," I would come in.
444
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,200
I was 15 when we started
hanging out together.
445
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,600
I think he felt safe with us
446
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,320
because he had no other space
where he didn't have something,
447
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,560
some place where people
wanted something from him
448
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,080
because of his fame.
449
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,920
We just liked him
because of who he was,
450
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560
and that he was part of this
joint community
451
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,760
where we were all working
to do God's will.
452
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920
But at the same time, I think he was
conflicted about who he was.
453
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,560
Because, even though
he was very devout,
454
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,480
I think Michael had
a lot of ambition
455
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,560
around being perceived as
456
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,840
very successful, very talented.
457
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,480
He was raised in this paradigm
458
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,280
where success is how you get
validation, right,
459
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,080
and from the time
he was a little kid.
460
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,720
So I don't think he ever lost that.
461
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,520
Michael sometimes would stand
in front of a mirror
462
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640
and say "100 million, 100 million,"
463
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,640
because he was he wanted
to sell 100 million albums
464
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,200
on his next album.
465
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,200
And I think that really fed him.
466
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,400
Michael's ambition, I believe,
467
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,240
was to make the
greatest album ever heard.
468
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,560
But he also knew the power
of motion pictures.
469
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,960
He wanted to use video
to drive sales.
470
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,480
I mean, rock bands have been
doing that for years.
471
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,760
I'm not like the other guys.
472
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,520
I mean, I'm different.
473
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,080
Um...
474
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,480
I'm a monster.
475
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,280
Michael, I think this is going to be
the Citizen Kane of the videos.
476
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,200
I really do. It's going to be
the most revolutionary thing
477
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,440
in the history of videos, you know?
478
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,680
I mean, it's a new art form now,
but I think this is leading the way.
479
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,200
Beat It and this one
is leading the way.
480
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,400
What a great looking kid.
481
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,240
Film-makers, they usually know
482
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,240
when they have something.
483
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,720
And I knew we had something.
484
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Music video was new at that time
485
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,800
and this is pre-internet.
486
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,320
And Michael's videos were special.
487
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,600
You could tell.
488
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,840
Some prominent black musicians
are complaining
489
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,160
that they are being left out
of the video market,
490
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,320
specifically the music television
cable operation.
491
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,800
We are looking for a certain sound
and a certain point of view.
492
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Bob Pittman is the 29-year-old
whiz kid who created MTV
493
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,120
after a successful career as a
radio station programme director.
494
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,960
We are not all things to all people.
495
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,320
We are cable television.
496
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,120
And what cable television does best
is specialise -
497
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,920
one thing per channel - so you know
exactly what you're getting
498
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,240
when you turn on the channel.
499
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,880
It was almost impossible for a
black artist to get on the cover
500
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:04,120
of any of the major magazines
or TV shows.
501
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,480
Over Christmas, I watched MTV.
502
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,680
I saw no black star.
503
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Plenty of black stars, but only
black stars who do rock and roll...
504
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,200
And MTV refused to play
Michael's video.
505
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,560
..you don't see R&B.
506
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,080
He was outraged.
507
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600
It was pure, blatant racism.
Plain and simple.
508
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840
Prejudice is ignorance.
509
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,760
Music has no colour.
510
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,160
I don't believe in that.
511
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,920
What I do, I don't want it labelled
black or white.
512
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,120
I want it labelled as music.
513
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,640
A few of us at Epic
and the president of CBS records,
514
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,360
we all went up there and explained
why they had to play those videos.
515
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,000
They said, "You can't continue
with a programme like this
516
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,400
"without honouring some of the best
music that America has to offer.
517
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,000
"And some of the best music America
has to offer is made and performed
518
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,280
"by black artists."
519
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,200
Period. End of discussion.
520
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,920
They only could look at the bottom
line and say,
521
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,800
"You can't ignore these tracks."
522
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,840
And once they played Michael...
523
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,480
..it took off.
524
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,320
TV REPORT: Michael Jackson's album
Thriller has been topping
525
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,600
various record charts,
so it should come as no surprise
526
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,800
that Thriller is number one
on Billboard's chart
527
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,040
of most successful pop albums.
528
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,480
Well, the title song
from that blockbuster album,
529
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,400
now the subject of the most talked
about music video to come along.
530
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,600
Take a look at this.
531
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Thriller was an amazing
piece of work.
532
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,600
Like, everybody loved it
533
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,880
and it just got bigger and bigger.
534
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,920
We love you! We love you, Michael!
535
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,320
TV REPORT: Michael Jackson
was partying in New York.
536
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,360
The occasion - for selling
23 million albums.
537
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,200
He exploded.
538
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,360
Everybody wanted a piece of him.
539
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Everyone wanted to see him.
540
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,120
CHANTING: Michael! We want Michael!
541
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,520
Michael Jackson's Thriller
542
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,440
is now the highest
selling solo album
543
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,840
in the history of recorded music.
544
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,600
The number one artist in the world!
545
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,240
He is, simply put,
546
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:19,320
probably the most exciting and
intense performer of the decade.
547
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,040
PEOPLE SCREAM
548
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,440
You have something
within your records that
549
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,520
everybody just loves.
550
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Boy, I couldn't say.
551
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,880
I just created it.
552
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,560
Where do you think
the gift came from? God.
553
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,880
CROWD CHATTERS
554
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,120
Ladies and gentlemen,
may I have your attention?
555
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,960
I need your attention right now.
556
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,480
I am saying for the last time,
557
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,520
as chairman of the Walk of Fame,
558
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,880
if you do not back up,
this ceremony will be cancelled.
559
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,120
SCREAMING AND CHEERING
560
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,360
Ladies and gentlemen,
561
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,400
Michael Jackson!
562
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,920
We welcome him to the Walk of Fame.
563
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,000
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
564
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,640
The Thriller album was fantastic.
565
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,720
It was far exceeding
anyone's expectations
566
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:46,440
about how big it was going to be,
567
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,560
and Michael was becoming sort of
transcendent as a pop star.
568
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,200
But he was still very idealistic,
very devout.
569
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,600
I mean, nobody had been that famous
in the Jehovah's Witnesses yet.
570
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,600
It was very much at odds for the
church for someone to be famous,
571
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,440
because any kind of notoriety could
be considered controversial,
572
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,920
potentially.
573
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,280
Even his deciding to do the
Thriller video.
574
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,160
The church was very paranoid
about any demon influence
575
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,840
and anything with demonology,
576
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,680
and so zombies rising from the dead
or anything related to the occult.
577
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,440
Suddenly, the hammer came down from
the headquarters of the church.
578
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,920
And so when he realised that this
was going to be a problem for him,
579
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,400
he panicked.
580
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
He wrote, "Due to my strong personal
convictions, I wish to stress
581
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,560
"that this film in no way endorses
a belief in the occult."
582
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,280
And he had to put that at the
beginning of the video
583
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,640
in order to get the church to go,
"OK, you can release it."
584
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,320
It really created some tension.
585
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,880
On the one hand, fame brought him
all this opportunity,
586
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,880
and I think he liked the adulation,
it was very validating.
587
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,400
But I think he started to feel
handicapped by the fact
588
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,600
that he couldn't pursue
all his creative stuff,
589
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,080
that the church was constantly
tightening the screws and saying,
590
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,920
"No, you can't do this.
No, you can't do that."
591
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,000
And later on,
he just made a decision.
592
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,360
He disassociated himself,
593
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,480
which basically meant
he was leaving the church.
594
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,160
You know, I left the church in 1990.
595
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,680
And when you leave,
the church completely cuts you off.
596
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,320
You know, you lose your whole
foundation, you lose your family,
597
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,560
all of your friends.
598
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,760
You're really adrift
in so many ways.
599
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,160
And when he left, he lost the thing
that had grounded him for so long.
600
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600
INTERVIEWER: How long have you had
this beautiful beast?
601
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,800
Gosh.
602
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,280
During, um... A little bit
before Thriller, I had him.
603
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,880
Probably about, almost a year.
Almost a year now.
604
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,840
And this type of snake
is not dangerous?
605
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280
Well, I don't think so.
Some people might.
606
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,160
Could it be dangerous?
Yeah, they squeeze.
607
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,320
They can really squeeze.
608
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,360
Erm...
609
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,960
I think he's great.
What other animals do you have?
610
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,200
After Thriller,
611
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,360
I saw a completely different
Michael Jackson.
612
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,000
I was his personal cinematographer
613
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,880
from 1981 to 1987.
614
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,960
And when I first met him,
615
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,000
Michael was really humble.
616
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,760
He was a true cool dude.
617
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,520
But after the Thriller album,
618
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000
his personality started
to get a little bit different,
619
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520
more, um, eccentric.
620
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,280
PEOPLE TALK OVER EACH OTHER
621
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,200
Step, step, step. Watch your step.
622
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,640
I could see he enjoyed
being around kids.
623
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,280
Hello!
624
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,920
Whoa!
HIGH PITCHED: Whoa!
625
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,680
We're going to do our own interview
here.
626
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,800
OK. This is the Michael Jackson
interview show. OK?
627
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,840
So, how old are you, young man?
628
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,440
No, not how old are you.
629
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,960
What show are you on?
630
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,400
My show is Webster.
631
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,280
And who are you playing on the show?
632
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,120
Out of nowhere, Michael's good
friend was Emmanuel Lewis.
633
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,800
Emmanuel Lewis was a star
of the TV show Webster.
634
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,600
And then one day Michael
calls me up and he goes,
635
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,120
"I need you to come over."
636
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,640
So I get there
and he has Emmanuel with him.
637
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,040
They're dancing to one
of his new songs
638
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,280
that never, ever was released,
639
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,280
and he's holding him like a baby.
640
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,440
And I could see Michael had
a connection with children.
641
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,040
MICHAEL JACKSON: When a child steps
in the room, I'm totally changed.
642
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,760
I feel their energy
and I feel their spirit.
643
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,880
When I look in their eyes,
644
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,720
I feel healed.
645
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,200
What I saw,
646
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,680
Michael liked...
647
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,920
..kids because of the fact
that they weren't domineering,
648
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,240
they weren't asking for something.
649
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,920
You know, because you had too many
of these producer bigwigs
650
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,600
coming over.
651
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,400
What I called
and what he called "suits".
652
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,560
And when the suits would come over,
653
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,120
it was a different atmosphere
because they wanted something.
654
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,840
But then Michael got so big,
655
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,360
now it's just a business.
656
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,400
REPORTER: Jackson's image
has been pressed into plastic.
657
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,280
In the short six months
since they first came on the market,
658
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,240
Michael Jackson toys, dolls
and other products
659
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,040
have been selling with a fury.
660
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,600
Jackson has become
a mini conglomerate.
661
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,680
He is setting up
five separate companies
662
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,520
to handle his business interests.
663
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,080
Albums, video cassettes,
concert tours,
664
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:45,680
merchandising tie-ins.
665
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,480
This year, Michael Jackson
is expected to earn
666
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,720
more than $50 million.
667
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,480
Michael Jackson made recording
business history today
668
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,960
by closing the deal
on the Beatles catalogue.
669
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,600
From now on,
all those royalties go to Jackson.
670
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Michael Jackson has a new manager.
671
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,440
Jackson has hired the vice president
of promotion for Epic Records,
672
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Frank DiLeo,
to manage his booming career.
673
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,800
Formerly, Jackson was managed
by his father, Joseph Jackson.
674
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,480
Mike decided to end the relationship
with my father.
675
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,240
And his thinking
and his thoughts were,
676
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,480
I need a manager who's much
bigger and better
677
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,280
and someone who really knows what
they're doing in this big industry.
678
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,480
But I think the part
that became difficult
679
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,080
was the people that entered
into his life
680
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,640
because this business can be very
overwhelming, cut-throat,
681
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,320
and people will say and do anything
to get into your circle
682
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,800
and to manage you.
683
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,720
And that part of it...
684
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,680
..destroyed him.
685
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Michael Jackson has not a song
on his lips,
686
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,680
but a bottle of Pepsi-Cola.
687
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,480
This week, he signed up
for $5 million or more
688
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,480
to promote Pepsi in concerts
and commercials.
689
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,000
A lot of people are asking,
690
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
why would Michael Jackson
do commercials?
691
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,520
Well, the reason is,
692
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,640
is that these commercials are
going to be just extraordinary.
693
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,000
They're using state of the art
technology,
694
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,360
they're going to be creative
masterpieces, no expense spared.
695
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,320
They asked me to direct them
696
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,040
because I had success
697
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,200
and a relationship with Michael.
698
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,440
We were going to shoot
two promotional commercials.
699
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Even though Michael confessed to me
700
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640
that he never drank Pepsi
in his life.
701
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,520
We went down there
and started shooting
702
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,320
and the plan was
there was an explosion,
703
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,480
Michael would come down and dance.
704
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,200
Pyrotechnics added too much
705
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,120
and all hell broke loose.
706
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,840
LOUD BANG
707
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,400
SCREAMING
708
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,560
CONFUSED SCREAMING AND SHOUTING
709
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,160
REPORTER: The scene was wild as
hundreds of fans tried to see
710
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Michael Jackson as he was carried
into a Los Angeles area hospital
711
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640
with second and third degree burns
on his scalp.
712
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,360
CROWD SHOUT AND SCREAM
713
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,920
I'll never forget the image
of Michael being taken away
714
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,440
in a stretcher,
715
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,320
but smart enough to take his glove,
the famous glove, and wave it.
716
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,080
But it was the beginning
of a dark time.
717
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,880
ECHOING SHOUTS AND SCREAMS
718
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,040
I remember in the early years,
719
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,720
Michael would just come out
and hang out.
720
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:52,960
It was just, it was casual,
it was normal.
721
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,440
But at that point,
722
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,280
Michael started going out
a lot less.
723
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,520
Everybody was like worried.
724
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,640
He would call all the time.
725
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,920
He would constantly reflect back
726
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,960
on things from his childhood.
727
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,720
When I went to the house
after the Pepsi burn...
728
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,120
..with Michael, there were some
times where we would talk
729
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,880
and he would come a little close
730
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,440
and then I would say to myself,
731
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,800
"What is on his nose?"
732
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,280
And those were stitches.
733
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,040
Physically or visually, you could
see that it had been,
734
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,880
you know, worked on.
735
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,040
I have a shot of Michael when he's
leaving the Hayvenhurst house
736
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,520
and that was when I saw the change.
737
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,760
You know, the transition
from the Negro look
738
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,520
to look like something different.
739
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,040
It was heartbreaking.
740
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,720
Michael was trying to erase
something off of his face,
741
00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:01,960
and it was all the nastiness
742
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,960
and all the things
that Joseph said about him.
743
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,640
But I think that set Michael on
a very unhealthy pattern and path
744
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,480
for the rest of his life
when it came to,
745
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,400
uh, facial reconstruction
and his skin colour.
746
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,480
But I don't think anybody
was prepared
747
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,280
for how extreme it would get.
748
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Michael!
749
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,040
CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK
750
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,640
PHOTOGRAPHERS: Michael! Michael!
751
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Michael! Michael!
752
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,760
Michael, Michael!
753
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,880
CACOPHONY OF CALLS
754
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,200
Not since Thriller five years ago
755
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,760
has the record industry been
so focused on a single album.
756
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,520
It's called Bad.
757
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,440
It's Michael Jackson and Bad
right here on Kiss FM.
758
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,400
REPORTER: They were queuing
all over America, snapping up
759
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,680
the first copies of Michael
Jackson's latest offering.
760
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,480
But after five years of comparative
seclusion, he's changed his image.
761
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:35,920
It's a lot of talk.
762
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,880
A lot of people are talking about it
and how foolish he looks.
763
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,560
The look...
764
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,360
Well, the new look is not too hot,
765
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,400
but the album is great
and he's a great entertainer.
766
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,200
I was a fan of Michael Jackson
since I was a kid
767
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,520
from, you know, the Jacksons.
768
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,160
You know, I loved Off the Wall.
769
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,720
I was a talent manager at the firm
that managed Michael Jackson.
770
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,440
And it was our job to manage
his career and public image.
771
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,320
I remember when I met him, like,
up close and personal,
772
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,400
I was just surprised at, like,
how white he was.
773
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,400
I mean, and just almost like,
almost like translucent.
774
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,400
That was good. Beautiful.
775
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,040
You know, we were wondering
if he was bleaching his skin
776
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,320
or maybe it was make-up.
777
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
I can remember one instance
778
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,680
and we had made this video.
779
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,720
It was like a multimillion dollar
video,
780
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,800
we had David Fincher,
you know, direct it.
781
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,640
I remember at one point he literally
kind of broke down in tears
782
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,640
and he was kind of ranting like,
783
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,960
"I look like a monkey.
I look like a monkey."
784
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,640
And I was like, thinking, "What?"
785
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,480
I mean, he looked great
in the video,
786
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,680
but in his own mind, he, you know,
he hated the way that he looked.
787
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,400
And some people mentioned, I think
it's called baking, where they,
788
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,600
you know, could lighten him up
throughout the video.
789
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,200
I mean, that word,
"I look like a monkey."
790
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,400
First, it was kind of shocking
from him.
791
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,880
I'm thinking, here's this huge,
amazing artist,
792
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,440
and his own issues with self-image
793
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,920
actually became a form of like
self-sabotage with his career.
794
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,440
I remember a lot of the
black community felt
795
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,600
like he had deserted them
796
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,240
and thought that he didn't want
to be black.
797
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:43,720
And it was really difficult because
he was in the tabloids every week.
798
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,200
He sort of became a joke.
799
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,880
First problem is the sex problem.
800
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,640
The problem being,
we don't know what sex he is.
801
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,200
AUDIENCE LAUGHS
802
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,120
The latest of the
Michael Jackson rumours -
803
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,280
are Michael Jackson
and his sister LaToya Jackson,
804
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,480
actually the same person?
805
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:10,800
I'm here with Lars Bundquist
of the IOFCIRA -
806
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,640
the Institute of Facial Changes
in Recording Artists.
807
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,120
And I understand you had a grant
for the last six years
808
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,600
to study the facial changes
in Michael Jackson.
809
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,720
That's correct, Dave.
And it's been a full-time job.
810
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,480
To most of us,
he's just Wacko Jacko.
811
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,400
And if some of the press
are to be believed
812
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,160
he sleeps in an oxygen tent,
813
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,040
often with a chimp, a snake
and an alien.
814
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,920
When you think of Michael Jackson,
you don't first think
815
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,840
what a great artist,
what a definitive performer.
816
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,720
You think, what a weird guy.
817
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:45,920
Record stores have been reporting
disappointing sales
818
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,080
for the new album.
819
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,240
Some have already begun taking down
the Bad promotional posters.
820
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,640
The Bad album had been released
in the late '80s,
821
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,960
but it hadn't been as successful
as Thriller.
822
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,480
We had to get him back to basics
as an artist, as a singer,
823
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,280
and get away from the wacky personas
and the trappings
824
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,920
and everything else and stuff.
825
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,880
CAMERA SHUTTERS CLICK
826
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,400
We had to make him more relatable
to the public,
827
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,560
to answer the questions
that people had about him,
828
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,000
about his skin, about Bubbles,
829
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,480
about everything.
830
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,280
Because up to that point, Michael
hadn't done a major interview.
831
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,880
People hadn't heard him talk,
832
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,840
people didn't know
anything about him.
833
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,280
And then Michael's managers
had this idea
834
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,520
that he should do an
Oprah Winfrey interview.
835
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,360
OPRAH CHATTERS
836
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,000
And the whole objective
for that interview
837
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,320
was to humanise him to the world.
838
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,080
Oprah was calling every day,
like five or six times a day.
839
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,400
Nothing was left to chance.
840
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,640
His whole career, his reputation
841
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,520
were dependent on this
interview going well.
842
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,800
Ladies and gentlemen,
Michael Jackson.
843
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,280
Hey. Hi, Oprah. Hey, hey.
844
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,600
Well, how nervous are you right now?
845
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,200
How what?
How nervous are you right now?
846
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,640
Mm, I'm not nervous at all,
actually.
847
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,880
You really aren't?
848
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,160
No, I never get nervous.
849
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,720
You don't? No.
850
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,600
Not even for your first interview
and it's live around the world?
851
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,440
I thought you'd be a little nervous.
852
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,600
But that's great, because if you're
not nervous, I won't be nervous.
853
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,680
I just wanted to let the world
know that...
854
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,640
We were all watching it on TV,
and it was pretty eye-opening.
855
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,040
I think it really was the first time
that I can recall
856
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,840
where he ever sat down
for a length of time,
857
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,160
answered the questions
that we all wanted to know.
858
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,320
and was really pretty candid.
859
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,360
I was actually surprised
how candid he was.
860
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:18,000
The main thing in that Oprah
interview that was talked about
861
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,600
was his answer to his
skin colour changing.
862
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,680
The colour of your skin
is obviously different
863
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,640
than it was when you were younger.
864
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,680
And so, I think, um,
865
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,360
it has caused a great deal
of speculation and controversy
866
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,040
as to what you have done
or are doing.
867
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,080
Are you bleaching your skin?
868
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,360
And is your skin lighter
because you don't like being black?
869
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,240
OK, number one,
this is just the situation -
870
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,880
I have a skin disorder that destroys
the pigmentation of the skin.
871
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,520
It's something that I cannot help.
OK?
872
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,680
But when people make up stories
that I don't want to be who I am,
873
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,440
it hurts me.
874
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,320
So it is...
875
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,240
It's a problem for me, OK?
876
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:01,680
I can't control it.
877
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,120
I'm a black American.
878
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,120
I'm proud to be a black American.
879
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,440
Yes!
880
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,560
The black community
was really relieved to hear that.
881
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,800
You know, I remember people saying,
882
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,640
"Oh, well, that's why it was,
of course.
883
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,760
"Of course, Michael wouldn't
desert us. He has a disease."
884
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,720
It makes me feel some of the pain
that he's feeling,
885
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,440
because I can look in his eyes
and I can see the hurt in his eyes.
886
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,680
You know, he looks like he's
so lonely and so hurt, you know?
887
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,160
And it makes me want to just
reach out to him.
888
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,080
And it worked.
889
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,040
And it really changed a lot
of people's perceptions of him.
890
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,600
It felt like Michael
was back on top.
891
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,880
My name is Rosibel Smith.
892
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,480
In 1993,
893
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,920
I was working the
Sexually Exploited Child Unit.
894
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,680
A case had come in involving
a young boy who was 13 years of age.
895
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:19,240
And that the perpetrator
was Michael Jackson.
896
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,640
We knew that it was going to be
a huge case.
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