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7-Adam-15, we're code 6
at the 911 call location.
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Any further contact from
the distressed individual?
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Negative.
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Do you want me to
start additional units?
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Uh, no. Give us a
minute to scope it out first.
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- You ready?
- Do I have a choice?
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That's the spirit.
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LAPD.
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We've received a distress call
from this location.
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We are making entry.
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Ooh.
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Oh. Do you feel that?
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Feel what?
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Ah, something evil's in here.
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Well, sure smells like it.
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I can't die.
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Won't let me die.
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Police. Show yourself.
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I can't die. It's inside of me.
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- It won't let me die.
- Don't touch that, all right?
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Just... call this in. Call it in.
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I need an RA to my location
for a stabbing victim.
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So I usually sit right next to camera
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to keep the eyeline tight.
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Then I'll just sit on the other side.
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No, because then
you'll split his look.
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- I don't think it matters.
- Oh, hey. Hi.
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Thanks... thanks again
for sitting down with me.
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- Us.
- What? Oh, right, us.
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Uh, why are you filming?
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Oh, I just wanted to document
the new partnership.
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Abigail was very excited.
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- It's not a partnership.
- It's totally a partnership.
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- The judge was very clear.
- The judge?
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My name is Abigail Tierney.
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I'm currently trapped
inside a secret lab
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at Westview Psychiatric.
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All attempts at escape
have proven fruitless.
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I may have inadvertently used
some of Abigail's footage
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in my last documentary without
gaining the proper permissions.
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Translation, he stole
my intellectual property,
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I sued, and the judge
gave him a choice...
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pay me 200 thou in damages
or give me equal partnership
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in his next project.
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He never said equal,
but you know what?
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Never mind.
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Let's focus on the story
that we're here to tell.
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Have a seat.
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Perhaps the most shocking
case of murder
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and mayhem we've ever seen.
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Would you say
that's a fair assessment?
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Um...
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No, no, stay... stay back.
Stay back. Stay back.
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- You don't understand.
- OK, relax.
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OK, we're trying to help you.
Who stabbed you?
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I stabbed myself.
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It's inside of me.
I've tried everything else.
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I can't kill it.
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I can't die. See?
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No, don't pull that...
don't pull it out!
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Oh, God.
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Oh, he died instantly.
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I mean, the wound was fatal.
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You can't stab yourself
in the heart and survive.
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But the way the knife was lodged,
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he wasn't bleeding.
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Once he pulled it out...
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- It was blood fountain city.
- Not exactly, but...
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As shocking as that was,
it was far from
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the most shocking thing you found.
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Oh, we should get him to say that
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to set up the opening credits.
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That's not... we... we don't put words
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in people's mouths.
It's a documentary.
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Yeah, it was, uh, straight-up crazy.
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- You don't think...
- There's a body in there.
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May have finally found it.
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Please don't kill us.
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We will join your cult.
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- Oh.
- Oh, God.
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You arrived on scene
as the sergeant's supervisor?
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Yes.
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I got there before the ambulance,
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not that there was any aid
they could have rendered.
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Is there a reason you didn't want us
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to interview you with Tim?
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What?
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No. We're just...
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just shaking it up.
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Let's... let's... let's stay focused.
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Were you the first
to recognize the victim?
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Uh, sort of.
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I thought I knew his face,
but it wasn't until
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we ran his prints that we got a name.
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Rich Rowley was retired LAPD.
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He had been with
the department for 30 years
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and was a little bit of a legend,
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mostly because he made a series
of training videos
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from the mid-'90s
till his retirement in 2015,
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which by modern standards,
are a little cringe.
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Hey, everybody. Rich Rowley here
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with another installment of...
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Now, today, we're
gonna be talking about
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proper cuffing technique.
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Excuse me, officer?
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I hurt my shoulder at the gym.
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Would you mind cuffing me in front?
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Pretty lady like you,
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what's the worst that could happen?
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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Rich was a trip.
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The life of the party,
at least early in his career.
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Then as the years went on,
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he became a little, uh, crazy.
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Crazy how?
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He was deep into conspiracy theories.
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He had a real thing
for cults and cabals.
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To be fair, Los Angeles does
have a pretty dark history.
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But Rich took it to the next level,
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and his training videos got more
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and more intense because of it.
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We finally got around
to updating the videos
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this last year, but that
caused quite a controversy
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with some of the older officers.
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They said we were being insensitive.
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Why would updating training
videos be insensitive?
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Even three years on,
a lot of his friends
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were still mourning his death
and saw the videos as a way
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- to keep his memory alive.
- I'm sorry.
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I thought Rich died six months ago.
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- Yeah.
- He did.
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I'm talking about the first time.
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Divers are searching for
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any signs of retired
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Los Angeles police officer
Richard Rowley
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after a sailing trip gone wrong.
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Coast Guard responded
to a distress call
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this morning from Rowley's wife,
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who says the 55-year-old
fell overboard
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after the sailboat he was captaining
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was struck by a rogue wave.
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Any time someone disappears
from a boating trip,
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it automatically sets off alarm bells.
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Why is that?
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It's just an ideal place
to cover up a crime.
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Throw a body overboard, weigh it down,
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the likelihood of us
recovering it before
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it becomes fish food is low.
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And circumstances were suspicious.
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By all accounts,
Rich was a skilled sailor,
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it was a calm day, and the
only witness to his demise
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was Darla Phillips,
his on again, off again
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girlfriend, who he married
five days prior.
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So you suspected foul play?
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Not necessarily,
but we couldn't rule it out.
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Why wasn't Rich wearing a life vest?
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He never did. He was a strong swimmer.
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He must have hit
his head when he fell.
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Why didn't you jump in after him?
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- I'm scared of dark water.
- Dark water?
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Water you can't see the bottom of.
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Just blackness
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with God knows what lurking below.
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You stand to inherit
Rich's entire police pension.
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That's quite a bit of money.
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How dare you?
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I just watched the love of
my life die in front of me.
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We don't know that for sure yet.
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They haven't found his body.
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Unless you know more
that you're not telling us.
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Go to hell!
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This interview is over.
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Did it ever occur to you
that Rich might still be alive?
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As we said, we couldn't
rule anything out,
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but there was no evidence
that he'd faked his death.
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Until he turned up dead again.
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Needless to say, we had
a few more questions for Darla.
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Helping someone fake
their death isn't a crime.
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- I checked.
- You're right,
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but profiting off of that death,
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collecting Rich's pension
and his life insurance,
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that's fraud.
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Not to mention the resources
that were wasted
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trying to recover his body.
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You could be facing
some serious charges.
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So tell us.
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Why did Rich want to fake his death?
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After Rich retired,
he kind of fell apart.
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His drinking got worse,
and his paranoia.
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He was always a little intense,
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but it started to get scary.
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He covered all his windows
with newspapers,
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started writing down the
license plates of passing cars.
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What was he so afraid of?
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He said there was this group, like,
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a secret society of dangerous
and powerful people.
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He'd been on to them for years.
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He said that they found out about him,
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that he was in danger because of it.
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It was too much for me,
so I broke up with him.
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And then a year later,
he showed up on my doorstep
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and asked me to help him
fake his death
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in return for his pension.
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I needed the money.
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So we got married,
and we did the deed,
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and I never saw him again.
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So you have no idea why there
was a coffin in his garage?
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We'll probably hold
this piece of the puzzle
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until the end of the first act,
you know,
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hit the audience with a twist when
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- it's dramatically expedient.
- Yeah.
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Seems manipulative.
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All good storytelling is, so.
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Just tell us about finding the coffin.
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So once I arrived,
and we secured the crime scene,
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we cleared the rest of the house,
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and then we moved on to the garage.
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Oh.
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Oh, you don't think there's...
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That there's a body in there?
I absolutely do.
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OK, are we gonna open it?
'Cause I don't wanna open it.
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What do you think?
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I mean, it's clearly been dug up.
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Given the state of the coffin,
it's clearly been
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underground for a few years.
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If there is a body in there,
it's likely long dead.
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- Unless...
- Unless what?
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Unless he put a fresh victim
in an old coffin.
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OK, got it.
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- Got it?
- Yep.
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Oh. Oh, God.
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The body belonged to
a 54-year-old truck driver
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named Marcus Ford,
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who was the victim of
an unsolved homicide
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back in 2020.
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How was he killed?
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Uh, he was stabbed in the heart.
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Just like Rich.
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Wait, Rich murdered Marcus Ford.
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- Did I just solve the case?
- No.
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We were able to alibi Rich out.
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He was hospitalized with double
pneumonia the day Marcus died.
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Medical records say
he was so weak that,
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uh, he could barely get out of bed.
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Or that's what he wanted you to think.
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Moving on.
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Digging up a body's no easy task.
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Why would Rich go to all that trouble?
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Initially, we thought it was simply
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the demented act of
a clearly disturbed mind,
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and in some ways, it was.
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But then we found the tattoo.
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At first, it was
a little bit difficult
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to make out exactly what it was.
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A half a decade of decomp
does a number on the skin.
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But when we look back
at the case file,
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there was a photo of it taken
during the original autopsy.
258
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That's actually kind of sick.
259
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I wonder if there's a way
to track down the artist.
260
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I've been meaning to start the sleeve
261
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on my other arm, like a...
262
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To my collaborator's point,
263
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lots of people have tattoos.
264
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What was it about this one
that jumped out at you?
265
00:10:44,537 --> 00:10:47,790
Well, something about it
was familiar to both of us,
266
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but we couldn't place it.
267
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So we started asking around,
and the answer couldn't come
268
00:10:53,088 --> 00:10:56,006
from a more unlikely place.
269
00:10:56,007 --> 00:10:57,883
I watched the Rich Rowley
training videos
270
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more than any person alive,
271
00:11:00,345 --> 00:11:03,889
so I recognized
the symbol immediately.
272
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Sometimes, citizens panic when
273
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they can't get in touch with
their friends or loved ones.
274
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That is why we always
advise the public
275
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to wait 24 hours before
reporting someone missing.
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While most missing person reports stem
277
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from a lapse in communication,
278
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every once in a while,
you'll encounter
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a true, workable case.
280
00:11:22,367 --> 00:11:25,160
Officer, help. My sister is missing.
281
00:11:25,161 --> 00:11:26,620
When's the last time you saw her?
282
00:11:26,621 --> 00:11:28,288
Last night at the bar.
283
00:11:28,289 --> 00:11:30,666
Her boyfriend said
she never made it home.
284
00:11:30,667 --> 00:11:34,503
You always wanna take a
report like this one seriously.
285
00:11:34,504 --> 00:11:37,089
So Rich hid the same symbol
in his training videos
286
00:11:37,090 --> 00:11:39,466
that was tattooed on
the body of a murder victim.
287
00:11:39,467 --> 00:11:41,677
What did you think that meant?
288
00:11:41,678 --> 00:11:43,430
Uh, I don't know.
289
00:11:43,455 --> 00:11:44,680
I can't believe I'm saying this,
290
00:11:44,681 --> 00:11:45,889
but Smitty was right.
291
00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:47,891
In lesson 187, the tattoo symbol
292
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was hidden in the background,
293
00:11:49,769 --> 00:11:51,478
although the instructions
294
00:11:51,479 --> 00:11:53,772
to wait 24 hours before
reporting a missing person
295
00:11:53,773 --> 00:11:55,691
are wildly outdated.
296
00:11:55,692 --> 00:11:57,443
Anyways, it got me thinking.
297
00:11:57,444 --> 00:12:00,612
What if Rich put messages
in other videos?
298
00:12:00,613 --> 00:12:01,864
What kind of messages?
299
00:12:01,865 --> 00:12:03,323
I'm not totally sure yet.
300
00:12:03,324 --> 00:12:05,367
I binged every single
Rich training video
301
00:12:05,368 --> 00:12:06,368
I could get my hands on.
302
00:12:06,369 --> 00:12:07,911
Yeah, it's been a fun few nights.
303
00:12:07,912 --> 00:12:09,830
And I did find a few
other possible leads,
304
00:12:09,831 --> 00:12:11,165
but there's a problem.
305
00:12:11,166 --> 00:12:12,458
The department's
archive is incomplete,
306
00:12:12,459 --> 00:12:13,876
and without all of the videos,
307
00:12:13,877 --> 00:12:15,043
I can't be sure that I'm not missing
308
00:12:15,044 --> 00:12:16,462
a vital piece of information.
309
00:12:16,463 --> 00:12:18,338
So what happened
to the missing videos?
310
00:12:18,339 --> 00:12:20,507
So when the training topics
and the videos
311
00:12:20,508 --> 00:12:24,136
become outdated because
of new laws or protocols,
312
00:12:24,137 --> 00:12:25,846
the department has to make new ones,
313
00:12:25,847 --> 00:12:28,307
and obsolete videos
are supposed to be digitized
314
00:12:28,308 --> 00:12:31,518
and archived for historical record.
315
00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,896
But Rich's were just gone.
316
00:12:33,897 --> 00:12:35,522
Gone as in destroyed?
317
00:12:35,523 --> 00:12:38,150
- Like a cover-up?
- No one's saying that.
318
00:12:38,151 --> 00:12:40,360
Most likely, it was a human error.
319
00:12:40,361 --> 00:12:42,988
You know, someone got lazy,
didn't archive them.
320
00:12:42,989 --> 00:12:44,823
I tried reaching out
to the production company
321
00:12:44,824 --> 00:12:47,993
that made the videos to see
if they had any copies left.
322
00:12:47,994 --> 00:12:51,038
Bad news is they went out
of business a few years back
323
00:12:51,039 --> 00:12:52,915
and auctioned off all their equipment.
324
00:12:52,916 --> 00:12:55,000
What's the good news?
325
00:12:55,001 --> 00:12:58,295
Well, I managed to track down
the auction logs,
326
00:12:58,296 --> 00:13:00,297
and I actually know
the person who purchased
327
00:13:00,298 --> 00:13:02,758
the studio's old hard drives.
328
00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:06,011
Careful, I'm very ticklish,
like the Pillsbury Doughboy.
329
00:13:06,012 --> 00:13:07,012
Same.
330
00:13:07,013 --> 00:13:09,056
I hear it's a sign of intelligence.
331
00:13:09,057 --> 00:13:10,349
- Is that a fact?
- Yep.
332
00:13:10,350 --> 00:13:12,976
Then I am smart as the dickens.
333
00:13:12,977 --> 00:13:14,728
So you purchased hard drives
334
00:13:14,729 --> 00:13:16,563
from Speak Now Studios?
335
00:13:16,564 --> 00:13:18,649
Yeah. Dropout was still
in its infancy.
336
00:13:18,650 --> 00:13:20,943
I was building the company
from the ground up.
337
00:13:20,944 --> 00:13:23,195
We had to be smart about
how we were spending our money.
338
00:13:23,196 --> 00:13:25,864
We bought a huge amount
of equipment secondhand...
339
00:13:25,865 --> 00:13:27,783
hard drives, cameras, wigs.
340
00:13:27,784 --> 00:13:30,828
Wait, you bought second-hand wigs?
341
00:13:30,829 --> 00:13:32,120
Give them a little shake
before we put them on.
342
00:13:32,121 --> 00:13:33,580
That's awesome.
343
00:13:33,581 --> 00:13:34,832
Do you still have that wig connect?
344
00:13:34,833 --> 00:13:37,459
'Cause I'd love a referral.
My guy is...
345
00:13:37,460 --> 00:13:39,336
Back on track.
346
00:13:39,337 --> 00:13:41,588
The hard drives you bought
contain police training videos.
347
00:13:41,589 --> 00:13:43,173
Did you happen to watch any of them?
348
00:13:43,174 --> 00:13:45,175
Of course. Rich Rowley, right?
349
00:13:45,176 --> 00:13:47,177
We were obsessed with those videos.
350
00:13:47,178 --> 00:13:49,888
We probably watched them,
like, a dozen times.
351
00:13:49,889 --> 00:13:52,558
I'm Rich Rowley, and this is
"Survive the Streets."
352
00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,184
Oh, that's great.
353
00:13:54,185 --> 00:13:55,561
Vic can do the best impression.
354
00:13:55,562 --> 00:13:57,479
Do you think you'd be able
to make copies for us?
355
00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,857
I totally would,
356
00:13:59,858 --> 00:14:01,149
but I can't because
357
00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:02,860
we wiped all of those hard drives
358
00:14:02,861 --> 00:14:04,444
to use as servers months ago.
359
00:14:04,445 --> 00:14:06,321
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
360
00:14:06,322 --> 00:14:10,158
You'll still feature
this interview, right?
361
00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:11,743
- Yeah.
- Yeah, probably not.
362
00:14:11,744 --> 00:14:13,537
Wait, you said you
and the Dropout crew
363
00:14:13,538 --> 00:14:16,290
watched the video, like,
dozens of times, right?
364
00:14:16,291 --> 00:14:18,417
Yes, sometimes on an edible,
mostly sober.
365
00:14:18,418 --> 00:14:20,335
I have an idea.
366
00:14:20,336 --> 00:14:21,795
OK, so then he'd be like,
don't forget to check
367
00:14:21,796 --> 00:14:23,297
the closet or you'll die.
So I don't know.
368
00:14:23,298 --> 00:14:25,007
I think it's a little bit more like,
369
00:14:25,008 --> 00:14:26,800
like, if you forget
to check the closet,
370
00:14:26,801 --> 00:14:29,511
Freddy, Jason, and Chucky
will rip off your scrote!
371
00:14:29,512 --> 00:14:31,263
OK, I think there's less foot stuff.
372
00:14:31,264 --> 00:14:32,848
I feel like he's like...
373
00:14:32,849 --> 00:14:34,850
and then your crazy
methy ex-girlfriend
374
00:14:34,851 --> 00:14:37,060
who's been hiding in
the hallway closet
375
00:14:37,061 --> 00:14:38,937
will chainsaw your face
when you get home
376
00:14:38,938 --> 00:14:40,814
because you forgot to clear the room!
377
00:14:40,815 --> 00:14:41,815
- Clear the room!
- Clear the room!
378
00:14:41,816 --> 00:14:43,400
Check the room.
379
00:14:43,401 --> 00:14:45,360
I think he was so close
to pulling out his gun...
380
00:14:45,361 --> 00:14:47,112
- What are you guys doing?
- That's a great question.
381
00:14:47,113 --> 00:14:48,739
They're reenacting
the police training videos
382
00:14:48,740 --> 00:14:50,073
since you guys wiped them
off your hard drive.
383
00:14:50,074 --> 00:14:51,742
Oh, the Rich Rowley ones.
384
00:14:51,743 --> 00:14:53,243
- Those are so funny.
- Right.
385
00:14:53,244 --> 00:14:54,745
I actually stole
one of the hard drives
386
00:14:54,746 --> 00:14:55,954
so I could watch it
when I'm in the tub.
387
00:14:55,955 --> 00:14:57,122
You talking about your tub again?
388
00:14:57,123 --> 00:14:58,290
- Say what?
- A little self-care.
389
00:14:58,291 --> 00:15:00,042
You know,
trying to relax a little more.
390
00:15:00,043 --> 00:15:02,127
- It's not working.
- Can we have it?
391
00:15:02,128 --> 00:15:03,754
If you want to borrow it,
I could, you know.
392
00:15:03,755 --> 00:15:05,214
No, I think this is
actually working great.
393
00:15:05,215 --> 00:15:07,537
- I mean, you could. OK.
- Keep this up.
394
00:15:07,562 --> 00:15:08,592
- Riffing.
- Clearing the room.
395
00:15:08,593 --> 00:15:09,927
Help us.
396
00:15:09,928 --> 00:15:11,178
OK, I finally finished watching
397
00:15:11,179 --> 00:15:12,763
all of the Rich training videos,
398
00:15:12,764 --> 00:15:14,222
and there is a lot.
399
00:15:14,223 --> 00:15:17,309
Um, take lesson 277...
400
00:15:20,563 --> 00:15:22,314
My azaleas!
401
00:15:22,315 --> 00:15:25,943
A cold case where victim
Azalea Robinson was found
402
00:15:25,944 --> 00:15:27,778
stabbed near a ski resort.
403
00:15:27,779 --> 00:15:29,154
- You're kidding.
- No.
404
00:15:29,155 --> 00:15:32,157
And in lesson 290,
Rich is holding a folder
405
00:15:32,158 --> 00:15:33,951
with a Post-It note
on the back with a brown star
406
00:15:33,952 --> 00:15:35,285
- drawn on it.
- I'm lost.
407
00:15:35,286 --> 00:15:38,038
Right, so I looked up the cold cases
408
00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:39,748
to see if there were
any victims with names
409
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:41,667
like Star or Stella,
410
00:15:41,668 --> 00:15:43,168
and there was one hit,
411
00:15:43,169 --> 00:15:44,670
Stella Brown,
412
00:15:44,671 --> 00:15:46,964
also found stabbed in the chest.
413
00:15:46,965 --> 00:15:48,924
In all, Lucy found clues pointing
414
00:15:48,925 --> 00:15:51,343
to seven different cold cases.
415
00:15:51,344 --> 00:15:53,345
But why was Rich hiding
the names of murder victims
416
00:15:53,346 --> 00:15:55,180
in police training videos?
417
00:15:55,181 --> 00:15:56,431
Based on what we could piece together,
418
00:15:56,432 --> 00:15:58,725
he believed he had stumbled
upon a conspiracy...
419
00:15:58,726 --> 00:16:01,061
a series of connected murders
committed by person
420
00:16:01,062 --> 00:16:02,688
or persons unknown.
421
00:16:02,689 --> 00:16:04,481
If that were the case,
why not just report
422
00:16:04,482 --> 00:16:06,858
his suspicion?
He was a cop for 30 years.
423
00:16:06,859 --> 00:16:09,361
Well, Rich had a bit of a reputation
424
00:16:09,362 --> 00:16:13,907
within the department for,
shall we say, magical thinking.
425
00:16:13,908 --> 00:16:17,744
So unfortunately, his theory
was dismissed out of hand.
426
00:16:17,745 --> 00:16:19,705
But why did he think
the murders were connected?
427
00:16:19,706 --> 00:16:21,206
Well, for starters,
they were all stabbed
428
00:16:21,207 --> 00:16:23,333
in the chest, but more importantly,
429
00:16:23,334 --> 00:16:24,960
each victim was found with a penny
430
00:16:24,961 --> 00:16:26,420
either in or on their person.
431
00:16:26,421 --> 00:16:27,754
What do you mean "in"?
432
00:16:27,755 --> 00:16:29,881
One had a penny in her stomach.
433
00:16:29,882 --> 00:16:32,050
Another had one shoved up his nose.
434
00:16:32,051 --> 00:16:33,385
Stella Brown lucked out.
435
00:16:33,386 --> 00:16:35,303
Hers was just clasped in her hand.
436
00:16:35,304 --> 00:16:37,806
And when we re-examined
Marcus Ford's corpse,
437
00:16:37,807 --> 00:16:41,184
the ME found one inserted into
the heel of his left foot.
438
00:16:41,185 --> 00:16:42,894
Why?
439
00:16:42,895 --> 00:16:45,188
Did we mention that
they were all minted in 1930?
440
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:47,441
OK. Well, I just got goosebumps.
441
00:16:47,442 --> 00:16:49,651
Rich's autopsy also revealed
that he had swallowed
442
00:16:49,652 --> 00:16:51,778
close to 50 pennies before he died.
443
00:16:51,779 --> 00:16:53,030
Gross.
444
00:16:53,031 --> 00:16:54,740
So at this point, was your theory...
445
00:16:54,741 --> 00:16:56,616
I actually have no idea what
their theory would have been.
446
00:16:56,617 --> 00:16:59,286
Yeah, well, I would tell you,
but we were way off the mark,
447
00:16:59,287 --> 00:17:01,496
which we were about to discover
448
00:17:01,497 --> 00:17:04,291
when we got access
to his cloud account.
449
00:17:04,292 --> 00:17:06,917
OK.
450
00:17:06,918 --> 00:17:09,503
I may have finally found it.
451
00:17:09,504 --> 00:17:12,257
I am so close to getting
some real answers.
452
00:17:14,469 --> 00:17:16,596
See that?
453
00:17:30,401 --> 00:17:32,903
Oh, whoa.
454
00:17:32,904 --> 00:17:33,904
Ha!
455
00:17:35,907 --> 00:17:37,949
Oh, my God. No! No.
456
00:17:40,495 --> 00:17:42,913
For a guy pretending to be dead,
457
00:17:42,914 --> 00:17:44,790
breaking into a secure
military facility
458
00:17:44,791 --> 00:17:46,833
doesn't seem like the best idea.
459
00:17:46,834 --> 00:17:50,504
Well, he wasn't just breaking
into any military facility.
460
00:17:50,505 --> 00:17:51,963
It was Area 67.
461
00:17:51,964 --> 00:17:53,256
What does that mean?
462
00:17:53,257 --> 00:17:55,967
That's where the government
keeps the aliens.
463
00:18:02,809 --> 00:18:04,875
So Rich broke into
a secret government base
464
00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:06,978
on the hunt for a massive conspiracy,
465
00:18:06,979 --> 00:18:08,480
then stabbed himself in the chest?
466
00:18:08,481 --> 00:18:10,065
I mean, at that point,
it's obvious what happened.
467
00:18:10,066 --> 00:18:11,983
- Is it?
- Come on.
468
00:18:11,984 --> 00:18:14,069
Remember what Rich said
right before he died?
469
00:18:14,070 --> 00:18:15,561
I can't die.
470
00:18:15,586 --> 00:18:16,613
It's inside of me.
471
00:18:16,614 --> 00:18:18,365
It won't let me die.
472
00:18:18,366 --> 00:18:19,783
Yeah, I'm not following.
473
00:18:19,784 --> 00:18:22,536
Rich was exposed to an alien parasite.
474
00:18:22,537 --> 00:18:25,080
It was inside him.
475
00:18:25,081 --> 00:18:27,624
Were you familiar with Area 67?
476
00:18:27,625 --> 00:18:29,417
I'd heard of it. Yeah.
477
00:18:29,418 --> 00:18:32,129
There's this AM radio station
I used to listen to
478
00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:33,755
back in Foxburg.
479
00:18:33,756 --> 00:18:35,382
Kept me awake when I was working late.
480
00:18:35,383 --> 00:18:38,218
The host was obsessed with UFOs.
481
00:18:38,219 --> 00:18:40,429
- "Val's Velvet Bunker"?
- That's the one.
482
00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:43,723
He was a little bit out there,
but always entertaining.
483
00:18:43,724 --> 00:18:47,102
Area 51 is theater.
484
00:18:47,103 --> 00:18:48,812
Do you believe?
485
00:18:48,813 --> 00:18:51,648
Do you really believe
the most secretive
486
00:18:51,649 --> 00:18:54,276
military installation
in the world would let itself
487
00:18:54,277 --> 00:18:56,278
become a tourist attraction?
488
00:18:56,279 --> 00:18:57,571
No, no, no, no.
489
00:18:57,572 --> 00:19:00,240
Area 51 is the distraction.
490
00:19:00,241 --> 00:19:03,201
Area 67 is the real deal.
491
00:19:03,202 --> 00:19:05,745
You know why California
has all those earthquakes?
492
00:19:05,746 --> 00:19:08,498
It's not the San Andreas
Fault, my friends.
493
00:19:08,499 --> 00:19:11,668
It's the sonic resonance
from Area 67's
494
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:13,503
underground testing chambers.
495
00:19:13,504 --> 00:19:15,422
Did you believe in his theories?
496
00:19:15,423 --> 00:19:16,840
No, no.
497
00:19:16,841 --> 00:19:18,560
Like I said, just entertainment.
498
00:19:18,585 --> 00:19:19,593
Let's hear from a caller.
499
00:19:19,594 --> 00:19:21,344
Hi, name's John.
500
00:19:21,345 --> 00:19:22,512
Longtime listener, fourth-time caller.
501
00:19:22,513 --> 00:19:25,182
Hey, John from Foxburg. Welcome back.
502
00:19:25,183 --> 00:19:26,308
What have you got for us tonight?
503
00:19:26,309 --> 00:19:28,895
I swear to God I just saw a UFO.
504
00:19:31,189 --> 00:19:34,274
John is such a common name.
505
00:19:34,275 --> 00:19:36,902
I'm open to the possibility
of extraterrestrial life.
506
00:19:36,903 --> 00:19:38,195
- You are?
- Yeah.
507
00:19:38,196 --> 00:19:39,821
I mean, it's a big universe.
508
00:19:39,822 --> 00:19:41,865
- Anything could be out there.
- I don't know.
509
00:19:41,866 --> 00:19:44,701
People who claim to have seen
aliens tend to be a little off.
510
00:19:44,702 --> 00:19:46,494
You were friends with a corpse, right?
511
00:19:46,495 --> 00:19:47,871
Well, yeah, we were more than friends,
512
00:19:47,872 --> 00:19:49,498
but fair enough. OK.
513
00:19:49,499 --> 00:19:51,917
Legally, is it necrophilia
514
00:19:51,918 --> 00:19:53,501
if she only did
over the clothes stuff?
515
00:19:53,502 --> 00:19:56,004
- That's a great question.
- Oh, I definitely believe.
516
00:19:56,005 --> 00:19:57,797
In fact,
517
00:19:57,798 --> 00:20:00,050
I've been abducted by aliens.
518
00:20:00,051 --> 00:20:02,427
- Really?
- Multiple times.
519
00:20:02,428 --> 00:20:05,847
Apparently, I'm a fascinating subject.
520
00:20:05,848 --> 00:20:09,059
I remember the last time
Smitty was "abducted."
521
00:20:09,060 --> 00:20:10,727
Turns out he partied too hard in Vegas
522
00:20:10,728 --> 00:20:12,354
and woke up in Wisconsin.
523
00:20:12,355 --> 00:20:14,105
Missing time,
524
00:20:14,106 --> 00:20:17,067
one of the hallmarks
of alien abductions.
525
00:20:17,068 --> 00:20:19,194
- And binge drinking.
- Point is,
526
00:20:19,195 --> 00:20:21,863
the government had little gray men
527
00:20:21,864 --> 00:20:24,282
in their secret labs for decades.
528
00:20:24,283 --> 00:20:26,076
What are they doing with them?
529
00:20:26,077 --> 00:20:28,703
They're implanting the aliens
in unsuspecting hosts
530
00:20:28,704 --> 00:20:30,330
and taking over their bodies.
531
00:20:30,331 --> 00:20:33,918
You just never know
who might be one of them.
532
00:20:35,545 --> 00:20:38,421
Some people in the station
believed Rich stabbed himself
533
00:20:38,422 --> 00:20:40,382
to kill an alien parasite,
534
00:20:40,383 --> 00:20:41,883
but I wouldn't say
535
00:20:41,884 --> 00:20:43,843
that was a dominant theory.
536
00:20:43,844 --> 00:20:45,387
It wasn't long before we figured out
537
00:20:45,388 --> 00:20:47,847
Rich believed something darker,
538
00:20:47,848 --> 00:20:50,267
and it was connected
to the seven murders.
539
00:20:50,268 --> 00:20:51,893
Then why did Rich break
into the army base?
540
00:20:51,894 --> 00:20:54,521
Yes, I remember the incident.
541
00:20:54,522 --> 00:20:55,981
Rich Rowley cut through a fence.
542
00:20:55,982 --> 00:20:58,149
He trespassed on government property.
543
00:20:58,150 --> 00:21:00,860
He was promptly apprehended
and sent on his way.
544
00:21:00,861 --> 00:21:03,405
Do you have any idea
what Rich was looking for?
545
00:21:03,406 --> 00:21:06,199
Uh, as it turns out,
he was looking for me.
546
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,411
But not because of any alleged aliens.
547
00:21:09,412 --> 00:21:11,830
So why did he come?
548
00:21:11,831 --> 00:21:14,791
Uh, this part is a...
549
00:21:14,792 --> 00:21:17,502
is a little bit embarrassing. Um...
550
00:21:17,503 --> 00:21:19,796
before I found my calling
in the military,
551
00:21:19,797 --> 00:21:22,549
I thought that
I wanted to be an actor,
552
00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:25,510
and I was in a few DTV movies.
553
00:21:25,511 --> 00:21:26,636
What's DTV?
554
00:21:26,637 --> 00:21:27,762
You're so young.
555
00:21:27,763 --> 00:21:29,222
Uh, direct to video.
556
00:21:29,223 --> 00:21:31,558
They made all these super cheap movies
557
00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:33,351
back in the '80s and '90s.
558
00:21:33,352 --> 00:21:34,894
You make them as cheaply as possible
559
00:21:34,895 --> 00:21:36,938
and then hope that someone
was drawn in enough
560
00:21:36,939 --> 00:21:39,357
by the cover art to rent them.
561
00:21:39,358 --> 00:21:41,943
- A guy can't have a side gig?
- Totally.
562
00:21:41,944 --> 00:21:43,528
How did you get into acting?
563
00:21:43,529 --> 00:21:46,072
Some director scouted me
when I pulled him over.
564
00:21:46,073 --> 00:21:48,867
He said I had a bitchin' bod.
565
00:21:48,868 --> 00:21:50,535
Well, he wasn't wrong.
566
00:21:50,536 --> 00:21:53,413
But I gave it up 'cause
the people of this city
567
00:21:53,414 --> 00:21:55,498
- needed a savior.
- Mm.
568
00:21:55,499 --> 00:21:57,751
Yeah, you are the model
of public service.
569
00:21:57,752 --> 00:21:59,586
Right.
570
00:21:59,587 --> 00:22:02,631
Anyway, Rich became
interested in this terrible
571
00:22:02,632 --> 00:22:05,842
B movie that I was in.
I played a monk.
572
00:22:05,843 --> 00:22:08,386
It was called "300 Days of Hell."
573
00:22:12,642 --> 00:22:14,517
Terrible B movie,
that's what he called it?
574
00:22:14,518 --> 00:22:16,895
"300 Days of Hell" is the
scariest film of the 1990s.
575
00:22:16,896 --> 00:22:18,480
Really?
576
00:22:18,481 --> 00:22:20,440
"The Ring", "Scream,"
"Blair Witch Project"?
577
00:22:20,441 --> 00:22:22,400
Which one of us executive
produced a horror movie?
578
00:22:22,401 --> 00:22:24,653
Trust me, "THDOH"
579
00:22:24,654 --> 00:22:26,655
is true nightmare fuel.
580
00:22:26,656 --> 00:22:28,740
It's not that scary.
581
00:22:28,741 --> 00:22:31,284
She made me watch it at the
beginning of our relationship.
582
00:22:31,285 --> 00:22:34,162
When he was still
trying to impress me.
583
00:22:34,163 --> 00:22:36,289
You wanna watch it again tonight?
584
00:22:36,290 --> 00:22:39,042
I would. Totally.
585
00:22:39,043 --> 00:22:42,045
I do have plans, though.
586
00:22:42,046 --> 00:22:43,630
Yeah I'm not watching that crap,
587
00:22:43,631 --> 00:22:45,340
even if it is for a case.
588
00:22:45,341 --> 00:22:47,592
I see enough horror on the job.
589
00:22:47,593 --> 00:22:50,637
That being said, "300 Days of Hell"
590
00:22:50,638 --> 00:22:52,639
was our first real window
into the rabbit hole
591
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,057
that Rich had gone down.
592
00:22:54,058 --> 00:22:55,600
A rabbit hole filled with demons...
593
00:22:55,601 --> 00:22:58,520
or rather, a demon.
594
00:22:58,521 --> 00:23:00,230
So Rich believed a demon
had killed all those people?
595
00:23:00,231 --> 00:23:01,940
No, the killers were definitely human.
596
00:23:01,941 --> 00:23:03,733
- Killers, plural?
- Yeah.
597
00:23:03,734 --> 00:23:06,194
There was different trace DNA
on all the bodies,
598
00:23:06,195 --> 00:23:08,321
all from different subjects,
and none of them
599
00:23:08,322 --> 00:23:10,740
- were in the system.
- Meaning?
600
00:23:10,741 --> 00:23:11,991
The murders were committed
by a group of people
601
00:23:11,992 --> 00:23:14,077
with shared beliefs.
602
00:23:14,078 --> 00:23:15,286
A murder cult?
603
00:23:15,287 --> 00:23:17,747
The cult believed a demon
named Malaphus
604
00:23:17,748 --> 00:23:20,083
had been possessing people
all across the city,
605
00:23:20,084 --> 00:23:24,045
jumping from host to host, and
it was up to them to stop it.
606
00:23:32,596 --> 00:23:34,681
The legend of Malaphus
is centuries old.
607
00:23:34,682 --> 00:23:37,892
The first mention we see of him
is 1433's
608
00:23:37,893 --> 00:23:40,103
"Lesser Grimoire of Solomon"
609
00:23:40,104 --> 00:23:43,690
by Slovenian inquisitor
Terentius Bruma,
610
00:23:43,691 --> 00:23:47,819
a reference text of demons
and their attributes.
611
00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:49,946
- Gnarly.
- Right?
612
00:23:49,947 --> 00:23:52,949
He's also known as
the Deceiver, the Infestor,
613
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:55,535
and Demon of 300 days. Why?
614
00:23:55,536 --> 00:23:57,871
Once summoned to Earth,
Malaphus won't rest
615
00:23:57,872 --> 00:23:59,664
until he finds a human host.
616
00:23:59,665 --> 00:24:02,584
After possession begins, he incubates
617
00:24:02,585 --> 00:24:04,794
300 days.
618
00:24:04,795 --> 00:24:06,337
What happens after 300 days?
619
00:24:06,338 --> 00:24:08,131
He reaches full strength,
620
00:24:08,132 --> 00:24:11,426
and his power becomes uncontainable.
621
00:24:11,427 --> 00:24:12,803
Uh-oh.
622
00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:16,431
Um, if Malaphus was summoned to Earth,
623
00:24:16,432 --> 00:24:18,057
how would one stop him?
624
00:24:18,058 --> 00:24:21,436
Bruma suggests killing the
host might slow Malaphus down,
625
00:24:21,437 --> 00:24:25,148
forcing him to regenerate
before he can find a new host,
626
00:24:25,149 --> 00:24:27,942
a process that also can be slowed
627
00:24:27,943 --> 00:24:30,445
by the use of copper.
628
00:24:30,446 --> 00:24:33,114
- It was the pennies.
- The pennies.
629
00:24:33,115 --> 00:24:34,657
It all came back to the pennies.
630
00:24:34,658 --> 00:24:38,244
Before 1984,
U.S. pennies were 95% copper.
631
00:24:38,245 --> 00:24:40,789
So the copper in the pennies
was meant to bind the demon,
632
00:24:40,790 --> 00:24:42,123
but what about the 1930 part?
633
00:24:42,124 --> 00:24:44,960
Uh, are you familiar with numerology?
634
00:24:46,504 --> 00:24:49,214
Some ancient peoples...
and Taylor Swift...
635
00:24:49,215 --> 00:24:52,217
believed there was
a mystical connection
636
00:24:52,218 --> 00:24:55,011
between letters and numbers.
637
00:24:55,012 --> 00:24:57,180
Using the Chaldean method,
the name Malaphus
638
00:24:57,181 --> 00:24:59,265
becomes a digit, 1930.
639
00:24:59,266 --> 00:25:01,809
- So you're saying...
- We had a theory.
640
00:25:01,810 --> 00:25:04,437
Whoever killed those people
believed the victims
641
00:25:04,438 --> 00:25:06,606
were possessed by Malaphus.
642
00:25:06,607 --> 00:25:10,360
They had to reach
Malaphus's host before
643
00:25:10,361 --> 00:25:11,808
he reached his true form.
644
00:25:11,833 --> 00:25:13,571
A 1930 penny was the perfect tool.
645
00:25:13,572 --> 00:25:16,157
Yeah, Rich's talk of, "it's inside me,
646
00:25:16,158 --> 00:25:18,493
it won't let me die,"
he thought he was infested
647
00:25:18,494 --> 00:25:19,911
by this demon, too,
648
00:25:19,912 --> 00:25:21,454
and that's why he killed himself.
649
00:25:21,455 --> 00:25:22,956
Wait.
650
00:25:22,957 --> 00:25:24,374
I thought Rich didn't
believe in Malaphus.
651
00:25:24,375 --> 00:25:26,668
Isn't that why he was
trying to stop the cult?
652
00:25:26,669 --> 00:25:28,920
Well, yes, but, I mean,
years of obsession and paranoia
653
00:25:28,921 --> 00:25:30,880
can do a number on a person's psyche.
654
00:25:30,881 --> 00:25:32,006
I mean, it seems as though,
in the end,
655
00:25:32,007 --> 00:25:33,675
Rich could no longer distinguish
656
00:25:33,676 --> 00:25:35,301
fantasy from reality.
657
00:25:35,302 --> 00:25:37,053
And you got this theory
from Rich's files?
658
00:25:37,054 --> 00:25:39,097
Well, I mean,
we actually got it from Lopez.
659
00:25:39,098 --> 00:25:41,683
And they say watching
old horror movies
660
00:25:41,684 --> 00:25:43,977
isn't a good use of time.
661
00:25:43,978 --> 00:25:46,229
I never said that.
662
00:25:53,445 --> 00:25:55,655
Are we safe, brother?
663
00:25:55,656 --> 00:25:57,657
Is Malaphus banished?
664
00:25:57,658 --> 00:25:59,409
His sigil is drawn.
665
00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:01,327
The rite is spoken.
666
00:26:01,328 --> 00:26:05,331
We have sealed his last
human vessel with copper.
667
00:26:11,755 --> 00:26:13,548
Heaven forgive us.
668
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:15,508
Indeed.
669
00:26:15,509 --> 00:26:17,552
For hell will not.
670
00:26:18,721 --> 00:26:20,930
Midnight,
671
00:26:20,931 --> 00:26:23,975
the 300th day.
672
00:26:23,976 --> 00:26:26,603
Our task was done none too soon.
673
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,924
Yeah, that was me.
674
00:26:57,301 --> 00:26:59,093
- Do you guys want a glass?
- No, I'm good.
675
00:26:59,094 --> 00:27:01,596
Oh, you got anything stronger?
676
00:27:01,597 --> 00:27:04,140
Fine. I'll just take a glass.
677
00:27:04,141 --> 00:27:06,184
OK, I'll, just...
I'll have nothing, actually.
678
00:27:06,185 --> 00:27:07,977
No fun for me.
679
00:27:07,978 --> 00:27:11,773
Yeah, that was
my first big movie role.
680
00:27:11,774 --> 00:27:15,443
Well, my only one, really.
681
00:27:15,444 --> 00:27:18,321
Rich was so excited
when I told him I booked it.
682
00:27:18,322 --> 00:27:20,281
He helped me run lines.
683
00:27:20,282 --> 00:27:21,866
Did Rich buy in
to the Malaphus mythology?
684
00:27:21,867 --> 00:27:23,534
No.
685
00:27:23,535 --> 00:27:25,536
Weirdly, given all
the conspiracies that Rich
686
00:27:25,537 --> 00:27:28,706
believed in, he was a total atheist.
687
00:27:28,707 --> 00:27:30,625
But I wouldn't have
blamed him after everything
688
00:27:30,626 --> 00:27:32,168
that happened on that shoot.
689
00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:33,879
Like what?
690
00:27:35,172 --> 00:27:37,090
Before production wrapped,
691
00:27:37,091 --> 00:27:39,092
the DP was paralyzed driving to set.
692
00:27:39,093 --> 00:27:41,636
A stunt person had his leg amputated.
693
00:27:41,637 --> 00:27:43,513
There were divorces, bankruptcies.
694
00:27:43,514 --> 00:27:45,056
Careers ended.
695
00:27:45,057 --> 00:27:49,102
One of the actors even died
in his hotel room.
696
00:27:49,103 --> 00:27:51,062
People say the production was cursed.
697
00:27:51,063 --> 00:27:53,481
What about you? What do you believe?
698
00:27:53,482 --> 00:27:57,777
I believe the real curse
was the director.
699
00:27:57,778 --> 00:28:00,697
He was a reckless maniac that
didn't know how to run a set.
700
00:28:00,698 --> 00:28:03,282
Cut. Cut!
701
00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:05,660
Arthur! Arthur!
702
00:28:05,661 --> 00:28:09,539
Your strangulation, it has to be real.
703
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,708
I wanna feel the life
draining from him.
704
00:28:11,709 --> 00:28:15,420
You, you... you cannot move
from your position,
705
00:28:15,421 --> 00:28:17,130
Not even an inch.
706
00:28:17,131 --> 00:28:21,384
Guys, this ritual is
extremely specific.
707
00:28:21,385 --> 00:28:23,469
OK? Let's go again.
708
00:28:23,470 --> 00:28:25,054
OK, I thought I was
choking you pretty well.
709
00:28:25,055 --> 00:28:26,228
I'm sorry.
710
00:28:26,253 --> 00:28:27,348
OK, I'm gonna choke you
a little harder.
711
00:28:27,349 --> 00:28:29,142
Ready?
712
00:28:29,143 --> 00:28:31,144
Douglas was real touchy
about the religious stuff.
713
00:28:31,145 --> 00:28:33,438
I guess he had grown up
in some sort of commune,
714
00:28:33,439 --> 00:28:36,357
and this was all based on
stories he was told growing up.
715
00:28:36,358 --> 00:28:38,776
OK, but what I heard
is that they accidentally
716
00:28:38,777 --> 00:28:40,695
summoned Malaphus for real.
717
00:28:40,696 --> 00:28:42,405
The director found some ancient tome
718
00:28:42,406 --> 00:28:45,783
and inserted the incantation
and rituals verbatim.
719
00:28:45,784 --> 00:28:47,160
Ooh, I love that.
720
00:28:47,161 --> 00:28:48,661
And that's what got me thinking
721
00:28:48,662 --> 00:28:50,371
about the penny killings.
722
00:28:50,372 --> 00:28:53,291
We found the first victim
just a little under 300 days
723
00:28:53,292 --> 00:28:55,334
after the summoning ritual was filmed.
724
00:28:55,335 --> 00:28:57,628
We knew Rich was aware
of the Malaphus legends.
725
00:28:57,629 --> 00:28:59,547
It was only natural to link them.
726
00:28:59,548 --> 00:29:01,674
So Rich thought the penny
victims were killed by people
727
00:29:01,675 --> 00:29:03,468
trying to stop Malaphus.
728
00:29:03,469 --> 00:29:05,762
Was he able to identify
any of these killers?
729
00:29:05,763 --> 00:29:06,972
We know he tried.
730
00:29:08,348 --> 00:29:10,016
- Hi.
- Hey. How are you?
731
00:29:10,017 --> 00:29:12,393
- Jared.
- Hello. Wow.
732
00:29:12,394 --> 00:29:15,021
Um, it's a... it's a pleasure
to meet you, gentlemen.
733
00:29:15,022 --> 00:29:16,439
Pleasure to meet you too.
734
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,940
Why don't you tell us
about yourselves?
735
00:29:17,941 --> 00:29:22,570
Yeah, we, uh, co-starred
on a TV show together
736
00:29:22,571 --> 00:29:24,947
for 15 seasons
737
00:29:24,948 --> 00:29:26,699
called "Supernatural."
738
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:28,868
Yeah, we played Sam
and Dean Winchester,
739
00:29:28,869 --> 00:29:32,705
brothers that, you know,
tracked and fought
740
00:29:32,706 --> 00:29:34,665
supernatural beings.
741
00:29:34,666 --> 00:29:36,334
- Like "K-Pop Demon Hunters."
- No.
742
00:29:36,335 --> 00:29:37,627
No, not like that.
743
00:29:37,628 --> 00:29:39,462
I mean, kind of like that.
744
00:29:39,463 --> 00:29:40,671
- No.
- Yeah.
745
00:29:40,672 --> 00:29:43,007
OK, can you tell us
about your encounter
746
00:29:43,008 --> 00:29:44,801
- with Rich Rowley?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
747
00:29:44,802 --> 00:29:46,511
Rich Rowley.
748
00:29:46,512 --> 00:29:51,182
He came to a fan event we did
last year at MonsterCon.
749
00:29:51,183 --> 00:29:52,642
Yeah, you know, most people show up,
750
00:29:52,643 --> 00:29:56,854
and they just want
an autograph or a photo.
751
00:29:56,855 --> 00:30:00,441
But Rich was a bit of
a different beast altogether.
752
00:30:00,442 --> 00:30:02,652
Yeah, yeah, he was... he was super
753
00:30:02,653 --> 00:30:04,821
fixated on this one particular episode
754
00:30:04,822 --> 00:30:07,198
- where we fought a demon.
- Malaphus.
755
00:30:07,199 --> 00:30:09,367
Yeah, uh, that one.
756
00:30:09,368 --> 00:30:13,913
Anyway he seemed to think
we, like, knew more
757
00:30:13,914 --> 00:30:15,535
about it than we were saying.
758
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:16,597
More about what?
759
00:30:16,622 --> 00:30:18,376
Demon hunting.
760
00:30:18,377 --> 00:30:21,462
He kept, like, asking these
super pointed questions,
761
00:30:21,463 --> 00:30:23,673
like... like he was, I don't know,
762
00:30:23,674 --> 00:30:24,841
testing us or something.
763
00:30:24,842 --> 00:30:27,051
- Did you have an answer?
- No.
764
00:30:27,052 --> 00:30:28,344
No, I mean, we didn't...
765
00:30:28,345 --> 00:30:29,971
we didn't come up with these stories.
766
00:30:29,972 --> 00:30:31,639
You know, we just did
what the writers wrote.
767
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,182
It's called acting.
768
00:30:33,183 --> 00:30:35,393
There's no actual
demon hunters in real life.
769
00:30:35,394 --> 00:30:36,561
Exactly.
770
00:30:36,562 --> 00:30:38,479
Uh, that's not exactly true.
771
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,648
There is at least one.
772
00:30:40,649 --> 00:30:44,485
And it actually connected
to the movie.
773
00:30:44,486 --> 00:30:46,445
We heard the director
brought a priest named
774
00:30:46,446 --> 00:30:48,489
Father Simon McCabe to bless the set
775
00:30:48,490 --> 00:30:49,824
every day before filming.
776
00:30:49,825 --> 00:30:51,450
Well, it was either that
or the whole crew
777
00:30:51,451 --> 00:30:53,035
was going to walk.
778
00:30:53,036 --> 00:30:56,164
Does that name mean anything to you?
779
00:30:56,165 --> 00:30:57,582
About 15 years ago.
780
00:30:57,583 --> 00:31:00,042
Lopez and I had just finished
our rookie years.
781
00:31:00,043 --> 00:31:02,378
We responded to a call at a house.
782
00:31:02,379 --> 00:31:04,922
Priest doing an exorcism
with a 16-year-old girl.
783
00:31:04,923 --> 00:31:06,048
Had been going on for three days.
784
00:31:06,049 --> 00:31:08,885
Father, no.
785
00:31:08,886 --> 00:31:11,637
Police!
786
00:31:11,638 --> 00:31:13,264
Help her!
787
00:31:13,265 --> 00:31:15,474
Please!
788
00:31:20,898 --> 00:31:24,275
Get away from her!
789
00:31:24,276 --> 00:31:28,029
Father, forgive me.
790
00:31:35,140 --> 00:31:37,214
Did you feel like
you'd seen the devil?
791
00:31:37,239 --> 00:31:38,748
The only thing in that room
that belonged in hell
792
00:31:38,749 --> 00:31:41,918
- was Father Simon.
- He kept saying he had to.
793
00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:44,253
The whole way to the station,
"I'm sorry, I had to.
794
00:31:44,254 --> 00:31:45,755
I'm sorry, I had to."
795
00:31:45,756 --> 00:31:47,632
Because he believed she was possessed?
796
00:31:47,633 --> 00:31:49,133
She had a brain tumor.
797
00:31:49,134 --> 00:31:51,677
That's what they found
after the autopsy.
798
00:31:51,678 --> 00:31:53,721
She needed a doctor, not an exorcism.
799
00:31:53,722 --> 00:31:56,223
And he wasn't a man of God.
He was a killer.
800
00:31:56,224 --> 00:31:57,934
The courts agreed.
801
00:31:57,935 --> 00:32:00,853
So Father Simon was convicted
of first-degree murder.
802
00:32:00,854 --> 00:32:03,314
When we processed him,
we found a penny in his pocket.
803
00:32:03,315 --> 00:32:04,899
Nothing else, just a penny.
804
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:06,233
It didn't mean anything at the time,
805
00:32:06,234 --> 00:32:08,277
but after Rich connected
those seven murders,
806
00:32:08,278 --> 00:32:10,196
it seemed likely he was involved.
807
00:32:10,197 --> 00:32:12,114
Involved like, he killed them?
808
00:32:12,115 --> 00:32:14,617
No, Simon was already
in prison when five
809
00:32:14,618 --> 00:32:17,078
of the murders took place,
and his DNA didn't match
810
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,121
any that was found on the corpses.
811
00:32:19,122 --> 00:32:21,290
But he could have been part
of whatever group
812
00:32:21,291 --> 00:32:23,167
Rich was so afraid of.
813
00:32:23,168 --> 00:32:25,419
Which means he knew more
than he had told us.
814
00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:27,797
So we had to go back.
815
00:32:27,798 --> 00:32:30,591
Officers, I remember you.
816
00:32:30,592 --> 00:32:32,426
You... you were the ones
who tried to stop the ritual.
817
00:32:32,427 --> 00:32:34,178
Just wish we would
have gotten here sooner.
818
00:32:34,179 --> 00:32:35,721
Becca Scott might still be alive.
819
00:32:35,722 --> 00:32:38,182
Oh, she was long gone
before you arrived.
820
00:32:38,183 --> 00:32:40,601
- The demon saw to that.
- Malaphus?
821
00:32:40,602 --> 00:32:42,186
Shh.
822
00:32:42,187 --> 00:32:44,480
Do not say its name in my presence.
823
00:32:44,481 --> 00:32:47,400
What, are you afraid we
might accidentally summon it?
824
00:32:47,401 --> 00:32:50,111
You may scorn me and my beliefs,
825
00:32:50,112 --> 00:32:51,988
but I have fought this evil.
826
00:32:51,989 --> 00:32:54,156
I know enough to fear its power.
827
00:32:54,157 --> 00:32:56,701
What's more evil
than murdering a child?
828
00:32:56,702 --> 00:32:59,161
I took no pleasure in the act.
829
00:32:59,162 --> 00:33:00,871
I'm grateful I had the courage
to do what was necessary.
830
00:33:00,872 --> 00:33:02,456
Courage?
831
00:33:02,457 --> 00:33:05,042
Tell us about the penny
that was in your pocket.
832
00:33:05,043 --> 00:33:07,044
In the movie "300 Days of Hell",
833
00:33:07,045 --> 00:33:09,130
Malaphus is sealed inside
his host with copper
834
00:33:09,131 --> 00:33:10,840
before he can be killed...
835
00:33:10,841 --> 00:33:12,925
Uh, banished, not killed.
836
00:33:12,926 --> 00:33:14,677
What's the difference?
837
00:33:14,678 --> 00:33:17,847
The demon is a parasite.
838
00:33:17,848 --> 00:33:19,390
It needs a host.
839
00:33:19,391 --> 00:33:21,183
Once you kill the body
that inhabits it,
840
00:33:21,184 --> 00:33:23,019
it'll find a new one.
841
00:33:23,020 --> 00:33:26,856
Becca Scott was just a single
battle in a larger war.
842
00:33:26,857 --> 00:33:31,193
If you're in here,
who's doing the fighting now?
843
00:33:31,194 --> 00:33:33,487
The Knights of Avila.
844
00:33:33,488 --> 00:33:35,489
Los Angeles has a long history
845
00:33:35,490 --> 00:33:38,075
of spiritualism, esoteric religions
846
00:33:38,076 --> 00:33:39,660
that go back over 100 years.
847
00:33:39,661 --> 00:33:42,538
So think Aleister Crowley,
Jack Parsons,
848
00:33:42,539 --> 00:33:44,540
- L. Ron Hubbard.
- He freaking loves this stuff.
849
00:33:44,541 --> 00:33:46,125
I do.
850
00:33:46,126 --> 00:33:48,085
Anyway, a lot of these groups
started out
851
00:33:48,086 --> 00:33:50,796
as fraternal orders,
similar to the Freemasons,
852
00:33:50,797 --> 00:33:52,757
where people would gather
and... and... share...
853
00:33:52,758 --> 00:33:54,050
- Men.
- Well, yeah.
854
00:33:54,051 --> 00:33:56,510
Yes, and... and some women.
855
00:33:56,511 --> 00:33:59,638
And they would share new ideas,
explore philosophies.
856
00:33:59,639 --> 00:34:02,725
They also liked partying, doing drugs,
857
00:34:02,726 --> 00:34:05,311
and performing weird sex rituals.
858
00:34:05,312 --> 00:34:07,938
Sign me up.
859
00:34:07,939 --> 00:34:11,316
For the intellectual exchanging
of ideas, obviously.
860
00:34:11,317 --> 00:34:12,735
So the Knights of Avila
is one of these groups?
861
00:34:12,736 --> 00:34:14,487
It was.
862
00:34:14,488 --> 00:34:16,113
Like a lot of the similar
organizations at the time,
863
00:34:16,114 --> 00:34:17,656
it fell apart when the founder died.
864
00:34:17,657 --> 00:34:18,740
It hasn't been active in...
865
00:34:18,741 --> 00:34:20,450
60 years?
866
00:34:20,451 --> 00:34:22,370
Then what was
Father Simon talking about?
867
00:34:22,371 --> 00:34:25,372
Based on Tim and Lopez's
conversation with Father Simon,
868
00:34:25,373 --> 00:34:27,208
we began to believe that the group,
869
00:34:27,209 --> 00:34:29,668
or at least the name,
870
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:32,171
had been revived
sometime in the late '90s
871
00:34:32,172 --> 00:34:35,048
to the early 2000s and re-branded
872
00:34:35,049 --> 00:34:37,968
as some kind of demon hunting cult.
873
00:34:37,969 --> 00:34:40,304
So Rich was actually right.
874
00:34:40,305 --> 00:34:42,473
There was a murderous cabal after him.
875
00:34:42,474 --> 00:34:43,765
It seemed that way,
876
00:34:43,766 --> 00:34:45,892
and we were getting close
877
00:34:45,893 --> 00:34:48,104
to discovering
who their ringleader was.
878
00:34:48,105 --> 00:34:51,023
I found him.
879
00:34:51,024 --> 00:34:53,275
- Found who?
- Doug Roberts.
880
00:34:53,276 --> 00:34:55,319
I wanna feel
the life draining from him!
881
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,946
Oh, you mean the director
of the sad little demon porn?
882
00:34:56,947 --> 00:34:58,322
Where?
883
00:34:58,323 --> 00:34:59,907
I was going through
some old industry trades
884
00:34:59,908 --> 00:35:02,451
from around the time "THDOH"
was slated to come out.
885
00:35:02,452 --> 00:35:04,662
One of the articles
mentioned that Roberts
886
00:35:04,663 --> 00:35:05,830
was a client of Stewart Winecliff
887
00:35:05,831 --> 00:35:07,456
at the Golden Talent Agency.
888
00:35:07,457 --> 00:35:09,083
The guy hasn't made
a movie in 26 years.
889
00:35:09,084 --> 00:35:10,376
I doubt they still rep him.
890
00:35:10,377 --> 00:35:12,336
Not actively, no.
891
00:35:12,337 --> 00:35:14,213
But I called their offices,
and I bribed...
892
00:35:14,214 --> 00:35:16,382
or like, I talked one of
the assistants into giving me
893
00:35:16,383 --> 00:35:18,092
the address where
his residual checks are sent.
894
00:35:18,093 --> 00:35:19,677
It's downtown. Let's go.
895
00:35:19,678 --> 00:35:21,387
Uh, hold on.
896
00:35:21,388 --> 00:35:22,847
You just wanna go doorstep the guy?
897
00:35:22,848 --> 00:35:24,098
If that means go knock on a door
898
00:35:24,099 --> 00:35:25,724
while also filming, then yes.
899
00:35:25,725 --> 00:35:27,935
Yeah, I'm not in the business
of gotcha journalism.
900
00:35:27,936 --> 00:35:31,021
What about the business
of making that paper?
901
00:35:31,022 --> 00:35:32,523
The guap?
902
00:35:32,524 --> 00:35:34,400
Money, guy.
903
00:35:34,401 --> 00:35:36,652
Come on, the doc business
is over-saturated these days.
904
00:35:36,653 --> 00:35:39,196
We need footage that P-O-Ps,
905
00:35:39,197 --> 00:35:40,656
and what pops more than blindsiding
906
00:35:40,657 --> 00:35:43,159
a potential cult leader?
907
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,201
Come on.
908
00:35:44,202 --> 00:35:45,828
What's the worst that could happen?
909
00:35:47,372 --> 00:35:49,999
- This is it.
- OK.
910
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,834
Um, here. Here's your camera.
911
00:35:51,835 --> 00:35:53,711
Um, I don't operate.
912
00:35:53,712 --> 00:35:54,795
Oh, well.
913
00:35:57,591 --> 00:36:01,135
Now, you do.
914
00:36:01,136 --> 00:36:03,429
Let's go.
915
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:06,015
- What floor is it on?
- Eight.
916
00:36:06,016 --> 00:36:08,434
But there's an elevator. Don't worry.
917
00:36:14,316 --> 00:36:17,485
- Are you sure it's that way?
- Yep.
918
00:36:17,486 --> 00:36:19,111
Nope.
919
00:36:19,112 --> 00:36:22,531
You know, at the risk of
being called a scaredy cat,
920
00:36:22,532 --> 00:36:24,533
you do understand
that this is inherently
921
00:36:24,534 --> 00:36:27,077
neither a wise nor safe activity?
922
00:36:27,078 --> 00:36:29,288
You're asking a woman
if she understands
923
00:36:29,289 --> 00:36:32,917
that it's inherently dangerous
to go anywhere or do anything?
924
00:36:32,918 --> 00:36:35,794
When you put it that way,
I sound like an ass.
925
00:36:35,795 --> 00:36:36,879
Yeah.
926
00:36:39,507 --> 00:36:41,050
Maybe we should come back?
927
00:36:41,051 --> 00:36:43,469
Hey. Hello.
928
00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:45,221
Douglas Roberts,
we're here to question you
929
00:36:45,222 --> 00:36:47,431
about murders and demons.
930
00:36:47,432 --> 00:36:49,683
That should get his attention.
931
00:36:49,684 --> 00:36:51,310
Oh.
932
00:36:51,311 --> 00:36:53,688
I am just an intern.
933
00:36:57,374 --> 00:37:02,051
So clearly we're not
deceased, which means...
934
00:37:02,076 --> 00:37:03,518
We saved you from certain death.
935
00:37:03,543 --> 00:37:04,939
I'm not sure
how certain it was, right?
936
00:37:04,963 --> 00:37:06,784
Oh, it felt pretty certain to me.
937
00:37:06,785 --> 00:37:08,202
Please don't kill us.
938
00:37:08,203 --> 00:37:09,703
We will join your cult.
Is there a membership fee
939
00:37:09,704 --> 00:37:11,330
or a secret handshake?
940
00:37:11,331 --> 00:37:12,581
- I love a secret handshake.
- Ignore her.
941
00:37:12,582 --> 00:37:14,083
She's not right in the head.
942
00:37:14,084 --> 00:37:15,876
In fact, she has
short-term memory issues.
943
00:37:15,877 --> 00:37:17,670
So if you let her go now,
she won't remember any of this.
944
00:37:17,671 --> 00:37:19,463
Just shut up. No one's going anywhere.
945
00:37:19,464 --> 00:37:21,304
I mean, technically,
we're all going somewhere.
946
00:37:25,303 --> 00:37:27,721
All right, let them go.
Put your hands up.
947
00:37:27,722 --> 00:37:31,350
Up against the Jeep, now. Let's go.
948
00:37:36,147 --> 00:37:38,399
Oh, hey.
949
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,985
Thanks for trying to save me,
even though
950
00:37:40,986 --> 00:37:42,778
I'm the one who put us in danger.
951
00:37:42,779 --> 00:37:44,488
No problem.
952
00:37:44,489 --> 00:37:46,490
I was about to do
the same thing, but you just
953
00:37:46,491 --> 00:37:48,033
beat me to it.
954
00:37:48,034 --> 00:37:50,244
- I can be noble, too.
- No doubt.
955
00:37:50,245 --> 00:37:52,454
Uh, I get very claustrophobic.
956
00:37:52,455 --> 00:37:54,540
Can I just point out how
claustrophobic I get, please?
957
00:37:54,541 --> 00:37:56,959
So when did you and Douglas meet?
958
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,294
In the movie.
959
00:37:58,295 --> 00:38:02,047
He was, you know,
so commanding and driven
960
00:38:02,048 --> 00:38:03,924
and everything I wasn't.
961
00:38:03,925 --> 00:38:06,093
When did he start talking
about killing the demon?
962
00:38:06,094 --> 00:38:08,387
It was, uh, at least
a year after that.
963
00:38:08,388 --> 00:38:11,056
He would call me late at night
964
00:38:11,057 --> 00:38:13,142
and talk about the demon
and how scared
965
00:38:13,143 --> 00:38:14,685
he was for the world,
966
00:38:14,686 --> 00:38:17,313
and eventually
it started to make sense.
967
00:38:17,314 --> 00:38:20,482
And he told you that
someone was possessed?
968
00:38:20,483 --> 00:38:22,443
Correct. Her name was Cynthia.
969
00:38:22,444 --> 00:38:24,111
Um,
970
00:38:24,112 --> 00:38:26,989
she cried when I tied her up,
and she kept saying
971
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:29,408
that she was not a demon.
972
00:38:29,409 --> 00:38:31,202
She begged me to believe her, and...
973
00:38:35,415 --> 00:38:38,626
At that point,
he was very deep in my head.
974
00:38:38,627 --> 00:38:41,045
And then tonight,
you know, all the lies
975
00:38:41,046 --> 00:38:43,213
he was spewing at the end,
976
00:38:43,214 --> 00:38:45,049
it was like somebody
turned on a light switch.
977
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:47,676
I could just see him for who he was.
978
00:38:47,677 --> 00:38:49,262
So pathetic.
979
00:38:52,265 --> 00:38:54,809
We'll need you to write up
a detailed confession.
980
00:38:59,522 --> 00:39:01,274
I would like to make a deal.
981
00:39:02,984 --> 00:39:05,569
Uh, we have already located
your co-conspirators.
982
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:08,739
You don't really have
anything to offer.
983
00:39:08,740 --> 00:39:11,867
You don't want to know what
an alien spaceship looks like?
984
00:39:13,536 --> 00:39:17,289
I am all that stands between the world
985
00:39:17,290 --> 00:39:18,874
and damnation.
986
00:39:18,875 --> 00:39:20,751
So all of the people
that you had targeted,
987
00:39:20,752 --> 00:39:24,546
they had to die for the greater good?
988
00:39:24,547 --> 00:39:28,300
Yes, and my heart breaks
for each of them.
989
00:39:28,301 --> 00:39:31,345
But I will not let innocents
fall to perdition.
990
00:39:31,346 --> 00:39:33,472
OK, have you had your fill of BS?
991
00:39:33,473 --> 00:39:34,640
God, yes.
992
00:39:34,641 --> 00:39:35,724
OK, me, too.
993
00:39:35,725 --> 00:39:40,104
So, uh, first victim, Cynthia Green.
994
00:39:40,105 --> 00:39:42,356
You dated for two years
before she cheated on you.
995
00:39:42,357 --> 00:39:45,317
Marcus Ford, he worked as
a teamster on your movie,
996
00:39:45,318 --> 00:39:48,112
then later sued you for nonpayment.
997
00:39:48,113 --> 00:39:52,366
Pamela Jones wrote a scathing
review of your movie.
998
00:39:52,367 --> 00:39:53,534
Really? I...
999
00:39:53,535 --> 00:39:55,619
I had no idea.
1000
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:58,997
All seven victims were people
who wronged you in some way.
1001
00:39:58,998 --> 00:40:00,874
You don't even believe in the demon.
1002
00:40:00,875 --> 00:40:02,918
You just used it as a tool
to get people with weak minds
1003
00:40:02,919 --> 00:40:04,796
to do your dirty work for you.
1004
00:40:06,923 --> 00:40:08,716
Exactly.
1005
00:40:08,717 --> 00:40:10,342
I was the director.
1006
00:40:10,343 --> 00:40:12,636
I think you'll find
I never laid a finger
1007
00:40:12,637 --> 00:40:14,471
on any of the victims.
1008
00:40:14,472 --> 00:40:17,933
And I think you will find
that Manson died in prison.
1009
00:40:20,103 --> 00:40:21,645
All right.
1010
00:40:21,646 --> 00:40:23,147
Uh, anything else?
1011
00:40:23,148 --> 00:40:25,065
No, I think we got everything.
1012
00:40:25,066 --> 00:40:27,192
OK.
1013
00:40:27,193 --> 00:40:29,528
- That was a crazy one, huh?
- Tell me about it.
1014
00:40:29,529 --> 00:40:31,697
And look, thanks so much
for all of your time,
1015
00:40:31,698 --> 00:40:33,323
and for saving our lives.
1016
00:40:33,324 --> 00:40:34,867
Anything for
my favorite documentarian.
1017
00:40:34,868 --> 00:40:36,160
Actually, the only
documentarian I know.
1018
00:40:36,161 --> 00:40:37,244
Not true.
1019
00:40:37,245 --> 00:40:39,455
- I'm a documentarian too.
- Of course.
1020
00:40:39,456 --> 00:40:42,332
Yes... oh, speaking of,
how did this whole
1021
00:40:42,333 --> 00:40:44,334
working together thing go?
1022
00:40:44,335 --> 00:40:46,587
Is this the start of
a beautiful friendship?
1023
00:40:46,588 --> 00:40:48,297
I don't know.
1024
00:40:48,298 --> 00:40:50,007
I mean, we have very different styles
1025
00:40:50,008 --> 00:40:52,509
and instincts and, well,
basically everything,
1026
00:40:52,510 --> 00:40:54,971
but I'd be open
to another collaboration.
1027
00:40:57,140 --> 00:41:00,225
Oh, um, it's just I...
1028
00:41:00,226 --> 00:41:03,353
I kind of signed an exclusive
three-film deal with Hulu?
1029
00:41:03,354 --> 00:41:05,439
What?
1030
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,191
Yeah, I... I sent them
a sizzle reel of this project,
1031
00:41:07,192 --> 00:41:10,068
just the me parts, and they freaked.
1032
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:11,778
Said I'm gonna be
"the new face of true crime."
1033
00:41:11,779 --> 00:41:13,363
- Their words.
- Wow.
1034
00:41:13,364 --> 00:41:15,741
I mean, you'd probably be able
to bring him along,
1035
00:41:15,742 --> 00:41:16,784
though, right?
1036
00:41:16,785 --> 00:41:19,703
Oh, totally. Totally.
1037
00:41:21,581 --> 00:41:25,292
I gotta go, but thanks again. Hello.
1038
00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:27,961
No, I said Toronto and then Cannes.
1039
00:41:29,923 --> 00:41:31,924
She'll probably call you.
1040
00:41:31,925 --> 00:41:32,925
No.
1041
00:41:34,754 --> 00:41:40,015
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1042
00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:12,130
Damn it.
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