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Hello, David, mate. I'm recording.

How are you doing?

I'm doing well, yeah.

I bet you are. This is your time.

This is your time.

That's what they tell me.

Yeah.

How long are we going to do, mate?

Oh, I don't know. Whatever.

What can you do? Half an hour?

Whatever. I don't know. A bit more? I don't know. Whatever you want. You know.

We can do an hour.

We can do an hour. What a joy.

I've got David like you for an hour with us, ladies and gentlemen. We're

blooming on it.

I've been meaning to speak to you for ages. The years just roll by, David, you

know. I know it does, yes.

A time that doesn't exist is getting faster, it seems to me.

Absolutely. Well, you're looking very well, I've got to say, you know.

Yeah, I feel good. You look great, mate. You know, I've got to soften my

appearance on my Zoom button here.

Because I'm not getting any younger, you know.

But I'm only joking. But David, it's great to see you, honest to God. And

welcome back. The last time I saw you, of course, was in the London lockdown.

That's a long, long time ago. London March lockdown.

When I got banned, that was a long time ago now.

And a lot has changed since then. But we're still, the choking hands of the

system, we're still doing their...

Grizzly job of a job of choking people and waking them up all at the same time.

It's a very interesting time David there's so much I want to speak to you

but You know government's still a sickness.

It's like Excruciating. I just want to start with this look. Sorry.

It's excruciating for people David. I've had someone in my gallery just this

morning Going to the food bank And really struggling most people are

This bloody system has turned people into beggars and prostitutes as you've

talking about for a long time, you know And your books have talked about that.

Robot Rebellion is one of my favorite titles of yours.

And now the new one, The Roadmap.

But it pains me, David. I'm in pain at people's pain, you know.

It's almost like we've taken the Bodhisattva vow where sort of we won't

until everyone moves on. And I know you've done so much work over the years,

David. Thank you so much for what you're doing.

I know I do go on about this a bit too much.

I saw you nearly 40 years ago in Bath, for God's sake.

You know what I mean? There was no one there.

David, you're still on Wikipedia as the conspiracy theorist.

Not anymore, everybody.

David, man, you've done so much. Thank you for being you and thank you for

everything. I don't know where to start with you. I won't go off because I get

carried away. I'll have a chat when we go after. I'll say a few words.

Well, it's all coming out, isn't it? The amnesia is lifting, the chloroform is

rising, and people are really getting it at last. You know, the Epstein, the

Gaza, the Iran, the Trump, you know. And one thing I want to say, sorry, David,

before I unleash you on the public here.

People are still coming in my gallery, people, and saying, he's playing 5D

chess, yeah?

He's taking down a deep state. He's tricking them, you know? It's like he's

going to take down London.

David, what? Even Alex at last, Alex Jones, I love him dearly. He's done

stuff. But at last, even Alex is saying, that's enough.

He's a nut job, you know?

Well,

When he came on the scene, Trump, in 2016 on the political scene

for a long time and bailed out by the Rothschilds

when he went under to the tune of billions.

When he came on the political scene in 2016, I called him out immediately.

a fraud and not the man that he claimed to be but you

see if you can persuade people that

they have no power individually or

collectively then they go in search of a savior

and you know I think that

The more that I have gone deeper and deeper into this, the more

blatant it is that religion is the very

foundation of human control. And I don't just mean religion in terms of

temples and...

and mosques and synagogues. For me, religion is

a mentality and it works the same whether

it's Christianity or Hinduism or Judaism or Islam.

It works just as well with orthodox science because

orthodox science is a religion.

And so if you look at the dynamics, the mathematics

of how a few have always controlled the world and through what we know as

history anyway, to be questioned about that, the few have always controlled the

many. Now, why is that?

Because mathematically, it should be impossible.

It's not because of the way the few orchestrate society and, crucially,

the very foundation of everything, they manipulate humanity's perception

of both reality and self, self -identity.

So if you're looking at a vast number of people, and you are a relative few in

the full knowledge of what you're doing,

then somehow you've got to break up the many.

So first of all, you need people to have rigid,

unquestioned belief systems, whether it's the religion, whether it's the

cultural belief system, whether it's the political belief system, left and

right. You need them to have a...

belief system that is largely, in terms of religion, not at all, often

unquestioned and rigid.

Because then what you're getting the population to do that you're targeting

you're getting them to put a prison cell over their minds.

A prison cell that says, this is my belief system and I'm not going beyond

and exploring other possibilities to explain reality to explain the world to

explain the nature of self i'm not going there because if i do go there then i'm

i'm leaving my my religion my belief system whatever it is so if you look at

um bricks and mortar religion as my father called it then you can't

go beyond your story and each religion has its own story, into

other areas of exploration and possibility, because if you do, you're

a blasphemer.

You are blaspheming God, especially if you have the nerve, the

audacity to think of yourself as an expression of what people call

God.

Call God.

I emphasize.

And then you have orthodox science. Now, orthodox science is supposed to be

against religion. It's supposed to be sort of anti -religion.

But it works in exactly the same way because it's the same mentality.

So you have an orthodox science belief system.

And that puts the prism cell over your mind.

And if you go beyond it.

and start exploring other possibilities beyond that in orthodox science, then

you are a pseudoscientist, or you're dabbling in the paranormal.

And paranormal is a very interesting word, a very interesting term. It means

anything that orthodox science can't explain.

But it's blatantly happening.

And another...

great aspect of this is once you've broken up the target population into

rigid belief systems, then you've got the perfect environment to play

them off against each other and divide and rule the population.

So the population is fighting itself and seeking to impose its belief on others

and not focusing collectively on the fact that this

small group

has everyone, no matter what their belief, in its gun sights.

And another aspect of this whole religion thing is that

they all have saviors.

So in Hinduism, there's multiple saviors. There's so many, you lose

In Christianity, the savior is Jesus.

And if you look at other religions like

Islam, then the savior is Allah.

They all have their saviors.

And this savior mentality is basically creating a dynamic

in which you are down here and the savior is up there.

And then you come into politics.

And you see the same mentality, the same dynamic.

So this whole movement they call MAGA

around Trump and supporting Trump over the years is a religion.

And it has a savior. It's no accident, surprise, it's

easy to call that the extreme of MAGA.

has perceived Trump to be some kind of religious figure who was saved by

God to save America.

And so you have this idea of the savior. And

the idea is you give your power away to the savior.

And the Nazis talked about this. They said, keep your propaganda simple.

So, what's more simple than if I believe in Jesus, I'll be saved?

That's good.

That's nice and simple.

Well, if I support Trump, then we'll be saved from the

globalists, even though he's owned by the globalists.

It's just extraordinary. And the thing is...

that if you look at religion, I don't care which one it is, what you're

at is the suspension of critical thinking.

Because if you look at the religious stories, they demand the suspension

of critical thinking.

That's why religions say you must have faith.

What is faith?

It's the belief in something without the evidence to support the belief.

That's what it is. Now, you can once you get into that, that mentality,

then you can apply that to politics in that.

How come I could call Trump out in 2016 and say

this guy is a fraud?

And he's not what he says he is. And he actually is owned by the very people you

claim to be opposing.

And yet it's only now in the last year, sometimes in the last few

days, that those so -called

influencers that have largely come out of the mainstream

since COVID and taken over the alternative media in terms of

and financial support, how come it's only now, ten years later,

nine years later at the most, that they are,

at the least rather, or whichever it is, that they're now saying, oh,

Trump's not what we thought he was.

No, no, he never was.

He never was.

Better late than never. Yeah, but this is the point.

When you're looking for a saviour, when you're looking for something that says,

I need to be saved because I'm externalising everything

because I don't realise the power I have, both individually and

then what you do...

is exactly the same as what you do with religion.

You suspend critical thinking.

You kind of filter out all the red flags

and all the flashing lights that say in 2016,

Trump is not the guy he's claiming to be.

And of course, what's happened since is...

All the Epstein Files stuff has started to make the Trump

supporters think, well, the less extreme of them think.

And then the Iran war, et cetera, has made them think even more

and filtered out even more of them.

But he was always.

what he is he was always a front man for this global cult as i

call it because um you know as i've said many times if you are and

this is what people miss they say they get it but they don't these influences

these people that supported trump for most of the last 10 years uh

people like alex jones people like Candace Owens, people like Tucker

people like all these other mainstream people

that have come into the alternative media.

And the thing about religion,

like I say, is you have to suspend critical thinking.

Otherwise, the stories start to disappear.

I've gone in the roadmap to a number of 28 chapters

plus a postscript in the roadmap, and five of the chapters are focused on

religion and its various forms and various aspects.

And when you look at the stories that people believe without

question, they can only believe them.

in the face of the evidence, by suspending critical thinking. So what

you apply that to your politics. And only by suspending critical

thinking and not looking at the evidence that was screaming at you about Trump

could you go for most of 10 years in support of him.

Well said, David.

It is an amazing time to be on the planet. There's no doubt about it, Dave,

know. And I can hardly believe what's going on. It's incredible.

And I'm so, I don't want to keep going on about this, but, you know, people

years ago were scared to say David Icke, right? I was never. I've got to tell

you, right? I've got to tell you, I was never.

And my wife told me not to say this on you, but she told me to say this on you,

and I thought, I don't know if I'm going to, but I will, because it's a very

interesting point.

I had the bailiffs came around the other day to pay me a visit. I had a parking

fine, and I didn't pay it. I thought I had paid it. To be dead honest with you,

I really did.

It was 60 quid. I turned around in London in a bloody bus lane, and the

thing, it was 60 quid. I thought I'd paid it. I really did. I didn't see any

letters. I wouldn't have let it get this far.

And now it's 425 quid. So the bailiffs come in my shop.

Guy from Wales.

He's watching this.

Hey, mate. How's it going?

I told you I was going to see David.

He'd come in and we were chatting, and it's really strange, David, how the

insult is in the air more and more and more now.

And we got chatting, and I said, you know, I don't envy you doing your job. I

said, you know, I know you've got kids to feed and all that. He said, no, I

don't, you know, blah, blah, blah.

And next thing, he said, oh, yeah, I do watch stuff. You know, I watch stuff

about that. So I said, you know, I'm trying to expose these very people that

we're working for in a way.

And he said, I watch David Icke and everything. And I said, really?

I said, he's on my show next week, you know.

So more and more and more, David, the people that you wouldn't expect are

starting to get it now, you know.

And that is a very exciting time. And I call that sort of the inception of

manual override, where we've been like on an aircraft.

The doors are locked. The pilots are in there. You can't do anything. It's on

automatic pilot.

And that's what worries us about AI, of course. And you'll talk about that in a

minute, I'm sure.

But we haven't been able to do anything because almost we've been in denial. We

think they're doing the best for us. But now it's almost like the smelling salts

coming into the cab and we've got to take back what manual override.

How we're going to do that is another story. I suppose the very recognition of

it is the first thing. Like Jeff said, you know, you can't escape a prison till

you see it. So that's where we are now.

I spoke to David Devine.

Now what then?

you know people are people are like biblical scholars are saying to me david

things like uh don't bother doing anything it's got to play out right the

grizzly thing of evil controlling has got to play out and i want to get your

take on that as well it's like you can't do anything about it you know and i'm

not talking about the spiritual

deniers, like in Totnes, where I live, they'll, you know, what you resist

persists, you know, everything's happening perfectly.

If you focus on something, David, something bad, it gives you energy,

That's a good one for you.

And all that kind of nonsense, you know, about what you don't resist persists,

you know.

So I think that, I find that in Totnes now, it's falling away a lot more now,

and people are more and more realising that you have to do something.

Not only see it, you have to act. And there's a lot of people like Cab There's

cabi group shows that people are joining, whereby they're trying to find

getting over the system and pulling out of the system and stuff like that. But I

wanted to ask you about that before we carry on about the Bible thing. And

people are saying it's a biblical thing. It's playing out. And I also want to

ask you where you are with that, David, about the good and evil battle, not only

here in physical form, which you've talked about many times, but also on

levels, you know.

People are waiting for a savior. Like you said, it's like they were

in school.

You know, we're looking for someone to tell us what to do. We leave school.

the boss. We're scared of them just in case they fire us. Then it's the

politicians. They change in name, but not in nature. Like Matt Letizia said,

different chiefs on the same ass, you know.

But where do you see that, David? Where are we now with that?

With that evil and...

good and evil thing because one quick sorry to carry on guys but one thing is

very important to say that generally the people in control are ethically

compromised they don't care what they do and how many people they kill clearly

as long as they get their their goals of short and great profit power and debt

slavery but the people of goodwill david are generally have got a cutoff point

where they won't go and blow these people's brains out and do terrible

try and stop evil so sorry to go on a bit about it there david but Where are

with that? What are the crossroads? To answer that question,

I'm going to have to talk for a while.

There's a lot of dots to connect that I've been

doing for the last 36 years.

In terms of the Bible,

I've described, and it's got me a lot of stick on X, but of course, the thing is

about X is it's not real life.

It's basically a cesspit.

There are some nice people and good people and intelligent people on X, but

there's extraordinary numbers of people who are, their minds

have a padlock on them.

They're the very people that I'm talking about in terms of putting this prison

cell over their minds.

And when you meet people in the street, I get stopped often by people

in the streets and cafes and stuff.

You find a completely different human being.

to the ones that you massively, overwhelmingly maybe, but certainly

find on X. So this social media thing is not

real life.

There is an awakening going on outside of the X mentality

that is in many ways the real awakening.

Let me just start by...

Just talking about what I've seen happen in the post

-COVID years.

Suddenly, well, let me put it this way. If I'm this global

cult manipulating and directing human society in a particular direction,

then...

I'm looking at COVID and I'm thinking, yeah, OK, we needed to do that.

It was a dry run for what we're planning. It also moved a lot of things

very quickly. And it also gave us a litmus test on how

pliable the population is in terms of doing what we tell them,

even in the absence of evidence.

they would say, a lot of people eventually, as a

result of the COVID period, realized actually there is some kind of

conspiracy going on.

So what you then ask yourself is, okay, well,

where are these people getting their information from then?

Well, it's not the mainstream media because this awakening mentality has

complete contempt for it.

They've lied to all the way through COVID for a start.

So where are they getting it from? Well, they're getting it from this

alternative media.

Okay, so what we need to do, because we can't manipulate this mentality, this

awakening mentality through the...

mainstream so we need to get our people in to the alternative now the thing is

that you you don't need there will be some who put it who are

put in there that know exactly what they're doing but most of them you they

don't have to know what they're doing they just have to have a belief system

that suits what you want and that belief system is okay look

The genie's out of the bottle for many people as a result of COVID. They

there's some kind of conspiracy going on.

And we're not really going to be able to put that genie back in the bottle

completely. So what we have to do is we have to hold the line.

We have to keep people focused on the fact that the conspiracy is

just basically the political financial arena. That's it.

It's the globalists. And we have to focus on that and keep them focused.

So you put people into the alternative media. You give a massive algorithmic

support while shadow banning those you don't want people to hear.

And you give them financial support.

And what you want is people who...

Yes, some people, like I say, you put in there who know exactly what they're

doing, but the rest of them, you just want people who have the mentality, who

actually believe that the conspiracy is the political financial arena.

And you put them in and you promote the hell out of them.

And what you do then is, it's interesting that...

Exactly the same dynamic happens that I've described earlier, whether it's

mainstream orthodox science or whether it's religion.

You create an Overton window of perception

that this is what the conspiracy is.

And you want the focus to stop people going on beyond.

politics and finance and all that level of it, corporations, to see

actually the real scale of what's going on. And it's in that understanding of

the scale that the bloody answers lie.

There's no answers here.

What are the answers here?

You vote for party A, okay.

Well, you don't like what they've done. How do I get rid of them? Oh, you vote

for party B, okay.

Well, they're pretty much done the same. I don't get rid of them. Oh, you vote

for Party A again.

This is what happens here. There's no answers here. The answers lie in the

greater understanding of reality and what this conspiracy really is.

And if you notice, as we come round to the question about religion, how the

alternative media, not least in America, but wider as well, He's dominated

by the Christian belief system.

You look at your Candace Owens. You look at your Tucker Carlson. You

look at so many of these people that have got the real big algorithmic

And they're religion based.

Their perception is founded on religion.

And religion.

is based on the Bible.

And the Bible, there are some good things in the Bible, some good lines in

Bible, but it's like everything else.

Critical thinking says, oh, yeah, yeah, that makes sense to me. That

approach makes sense to me.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, sorry.

I can't accept that.

But critical thinking is...

basically banned from religion because you have to take the package and what

you've got is a old testament with a bloodthirsty tyrant god and

you've got the new testament which has a more a more

uh shall we say less bloodthirsty god but still it's supposed to

have

sacrifice his only begotten son to save the sins of humanity something i've

never kind of followed and worked out the logic of that but anyway so you've

two gods basically but because it's in the bible and the

bible is the old testament and the new testament you somehow have to make sense

of that contradiction and disappear up your own backside trying to do it And

because this is important to current events, because the Old Testament is

basically all about what they call ancient Israel and how God chose

Jewish people as the chosen people.

The Christians that follow the Bible also have to encompass that somehow.

And so you have a ridiculously few compared with the

impact of Jewish people about anything between 17, 18 million,

something like that in a population that we're told is 8 billion.

That's what they tell us anyway.

And so you're not going to get support.

on any scale for what that which controls that

direction of that 17, 18 million, you're not going to

get massive support for that unless you encompass a whole new and

very, very much larger constituency.

And because you have an Old Testament and you have a New Testament,

You pull in the Christians in support of what you are

seeking to do because they are God's chosen people. And what God says,

the Bible is God's word. It cannot be questioned, even though it's completely

contradictory. So you then have this massive support for Israel over

the years.

from the Christian community and particularly what's become known as the

Christian Zionists.

And what I've been saying in the books now for such a long time is

part of that perceptual

lasso of the Christian mindset, as well as the Jewish mindset,

they're victims of their...

leadership, much of which is not actually Jewish, ironically.

That's a whole other thing that you've explained very well.

Oh, another story.

What you do is you've got your Old Testament

and you've got the Book of Revelation at the end of the New Testament.

And what you want to do to scam the Christian belief system is

to make events happen that appear to be the prophecies

of the Old Testament coming to fruition, happening.

And you sell this as God is making this happen.

God is fulfilling God's prophecy.

But what you're doing, humans, is making it happen.

So part of the prophecy they go on is that the

Alaska Mosque on what Jews and Christians call Temple Mount Jerusalem

has to go to be replaced by the third, basically, Solomon's Temple.

happens when the messiah is coming and that's another thing there's a jewish

messiah and there's the jesus messiah and a lot of christians think they're

same one they ain't they ain't look at it anyway so um what then happens is um

uh you have to fulfill the prophecy not god

humans

And so, for instance, just as an example, part of the prophecy is that in

run up to the temple being restored.

That there will be a red heifer.

Yeah. And it has to not ever have a yoke on its neck,

and it has to be born in Israel, right?

So what do they do?

They don't leave it to God.

They import red heifers from Texas, right? So

that's just one example of the way they appear to be making it happen. And look

at what's happened with...

with the war in Iran.

And look at the stories that are coming out from the US military and the

Pentagon.

Because people like Pete Hegseth, who now calls himself the Secretary

of War, the man's imbecilic.

What a nut. What a nut.

He absolutely believes in the prophecies.

He believes in the whole prophecy of the...

The temple being, the third temple being put into place and the Alaska

mosque disappearing.

And of course, once upon a time, if someone had suggested that, that

people have gone, you're having a laugh, mate. Can you imagine the bloody

bloodbath that would happen in Israel if you tried to do that to the mosque?

Oh, really?

Have you seen Gaza?

Have you seen the West Bank?

It suddenly becomes feasible in terms of

control by the Israeli authorities and the IDF and Mossad and all the rest of

it. So you are appearing to make something happen and you've got

someone in the Pentagon, Hegseth, who believes it all and wants to make it

happen. And you've seen these stories coming out of the Pentagon while the war

with Iran has been going on, where they're talking about it in biblical

that this war with Iran is part of the God's prophecies, you know, and oh, it's

unbelievable. You know, what did they say?

You know, they say it's a quote from Voltaire.

um whoever it came from you know it doesn't matter it's a great quote about

that if you can make people believe absurdities they'll commit atrocities

know and that is absolutely clearly true if you look through um through history

so this um this whole um unfolding of the bible oh it's god's

prophecy yeah and something else you don't only get support

for what you're doing as a result of people believing it's

God, you also get people, and you've mentioned this

already, who become inert and think they

don't have to do anything because God's making it happen.

And so you sit there and you're like the frog in the saucepan, getting

hotter and hotter until it boils.

And when it boils, you go, oh, my God, what's happening?

Well, what's happening is exactly what you were manipulated to allow to happen

by sitting there thinking God was doing it.

So what I'm saying in the roadmap

is...

is this, and, you know, I am going to have to talk for a little while to

these dots.

Oh, great, yeah.

So the question is, what is this God that they are

worshipping?

Right.

Well, what I'm saying, and increasingly mainstream scientists in

ever greater numbers are saying, but I was saying it back at the turn of the

millennium, is that we are living in a fake reality, a simulated

reality, a matrix reality, a very much matrix -type reality.

And that it's a trap.

It's a trap which is based on a simple energetic

equation, if you like, that your perceptions

dictate your frequency.

So you... This is mainstream science.

Every time we think and every time we feel emotion, which is constantly,

we're generating a frequency.

It's what people call vibes.

The amount or the frequency band that people can see...

visible light, as scientists call it, is so tiny it's laughable.

We're basically blind.

We're only seeing the tiniest, tiniest band of frequency.

And everything outside that frequency, we cannot see.

So I'm sitting here, and infinity, all that exists,

is in the space that I'm sitting in.

But my biological computer, as I call it, will only

decode a tiny band of frequency into a visual reality.

And, you know, these frequencies we give off, we call vibes. Oh, I've got good

vibes from him. I've got bad vibes from them.

And that's the energy. It's outside of visible light, so we can't see it, but

can feel it.

And the totality of that thought and

emotional state, which kind of changes as we change, is

what I would call the perceptual field or the mind.

It's an electromagnetic field. Some people call it the auric field.

Now that perceptual

field, if it remains only within the

frequency field of the matrix, the simulation, is in the matrix.

and of the matrix it's getting or we're getting all of our information from

within the matrix when you um realize

that we are not the body we are consciousness

ultimately we are an expression of infinite awareness infinite

that expansion of self -identity

From I am a human, we're not, it's just an experience, very brief.

The perception of being subordinate to some God we have to keep

happy.

Those mentalities operate within the matrix frequency band.

If that's your belief system, you will be in the matrix and of the matrix.

Once you realize, hey, that's just an experience, this is just a vehicle,

and you start to open your mind and open it and open it by

expanding your sense of self -identity, I am consciousness, ultimately all

consciousness if I expand enough, then you start to tap in

to awareness, knowing.

insight outside of this matrix band of frequency that's all it is

and suddenly you're tapping in to levels of awareness that can see

what you cannot see without that connection and suddenly you're looking

and you see the world in a completely different way

You're seeing how things connect instead of seeing everything as just individual

random dots.

And that's because you're now in the world, in the matrix, but you're

not of the matrix in terms of your perception of reality.

Now, that which created this matrix, which is a non -human force,

ultimately a state of extraordinarily...

chaotic, schismatic consciousness,

it wants to stop that connection because the game's

up if it does.

So everything is designed to focus your attention

on either I'm a human and nothing more

or I am a human, but I'm subordinate to some judgmental God.

So then the next question is, what is this God that religion

is telling people to worship?

Well, if you look at what I'm looking for in my research over the decades

are patterns of agreement, patterns of agreement between.

belief systems that otherwise would disagree on so much.

And one of the patterns of agreement, if you look at religions, you look at

native peoples, native belief systems carried by the shamans,

etc., there is a very clear common agreement that this

world, this human world, is manipulated from the unseen.

You have this concept in Christianity of Satan or the

devil. You have the concept in Islam of Shaitan.

You have the concept in the Gnostic belief system of Yod -Beoth or the

Demiurge.

It's, I would say, a state of consciousness

created this matrix for reasons i go into go into in the book so what

this consciousness has done under different uh names in different cultures

they the theme you find everywhere this schismatic

chaotic um inverted state of consciousness that's

why everything's inverted that that's why um

Satanism inverts everything. That's why it inverts the cross. That's why it

inverts the pentagram.

Because this consciousness is basically an inversion.

And it's very stupid.

It's very clever.

But in terms of consciousness and awareness, it's very stupid. If you look

the themes of in different religions and different

cultures.

the basic theme is this consciousness this i'll call it yolda baos for

um a term but i could call it many other things as well it's the foolish one

it's not very bright but it's very clever and cleverness can

be seriously advanced and enhanced even though you are not um

very

bright by consciousness standards by you having

knowledge of how reality works and what the hell is actually going on because

you're making it going on and keeping that knowledge from the

target population

You want the target population in ignorance of what you know, because

although you may not be, by consciousness standards, terribly

sharpest pin in the box, you are in a tremendously powerful position

of control by what you know compared with what you allow humans to

know. So humans are living in a reality they think is a certain way, and it's

actually nothing like that. But you know that, and you know how it works. So

that's a power dynamic immediately.

That's why this global cult, which this global network of secret societies,

which serves this Yolda Bayoff consciousness, that's why they

pass on through their degrees, their inner circle,

advanced knowledge of both where the world's being taken and why, and the

of reality itself.

And this same cult has created the sources of

communication and information that the target population gets.

So they created, this cult created, the so -called education system, which is a

programming system.

It created and owns the media. It's infiltrated massively much of the

alternative media now, that which gets all the algorithmic promotion.

And so you've got advanced knowledge being passed on through the cult network

and the target population being kept in ignorance of what they know.

And it's an interesting dynamic again, that when you work your ass off to...

uncover what they know and you pass it on to the population as i know over the

years that population will go you're mad mate what are you talking about that's

not possible because one of the greatest forms of mind control not so mad now

though by god is to squeeze the sense of the possible because if you can squeeze

people's sense of the possible among the population

Then when what's actually happening is communicated to them, they'll say that's

not possible. That's impossible.

That's ridiculous.

So, I mean, how many people know how reality actually works, even though it

be confirmed? It's because this cult does not want you to know that.

Now, this consciousness, this Yod of Beoth consciousness, as the Gnostics

it, created a hierarchy within its dimensional.

realm that's outside of this dimension people call it the astral dimension uh

whatever it's and these other dimensions they're not like chest of drawers where

people go oh yeah well i'm going to heaven no it's they share the same space

just like radio and television stations do they're just on different wavelengths

that's the whole the whole point different bands of frequency and what

gnostics call this first level of

yolda baof um uh asset they call them archons which is greek for

rulers and then this archontic level then um

oversees this other level um within the astral dimension um which

takes the form of what people call extraterrestrials reptilian greys

many many many many others but the point being that this inverted

chaotic state of schismatic consciousness um

impacts itself in imposes itself created

indeed the mentality of this hierarchy and this

mentality can be

summed up in the word psychopath. In fact, you know, you get to that level,

you're talking about super, super, super, super, super psychopaths.

And what this psychopathic mentality does not have is the ability for

putting itself in the feelings of those it's affecting.

So therefore, it has no emotional consequence for whatever it does.

If you have empathy, I call empathy the fail safe mechanism of human behavior,

because if you can put yourself in the feelings of those you're affecting, it

limits what you will do.

And another thing, of course, in the psychopathic mentality is a deletion of

compassion, the inability to feel it.

And so this consciousness is.

expresses itself through this archontic level and it expresses itself through

this not all of them are like this but expresses itself through this uh

they call them extraterrestrials they're interdimensionals actually they operate

in in this other dimension uh very close to this one but outside of um our

band of frequency and they can come in And when they come in, they appear to

appear out of nowhere, whether it's a craft or an individual entity.

And then when they leave our visible light frequency band, they appear to the

observer just to have disappeared into nowhere.

And so people go, oh, you're mad, mate. What do you mean they appeared out of

nowhere and disappeared?

But not possible, mate. Oh, it is, if you understand how it all kind of works.

The point being then, this same...

um yoda baos um consciousness comes down

into this cult that is manipulating human society and dictating

its direction and therefore the same mentality prevails if you look at your

gates's and your klaus schwab's and all these people um

that operate in this cult, and they're only at the gopher level, they're not

real orchestrators, they have this complete lack of empathy

and compassion.

They're like automatons. I don't think that's an accident either.

And so this inner circle of this cult that is...

directing the direction of society, has this same deletion

of compassion, this same deletion of empathy, and thus it does what it does.

It bombs civilians.

It does what the Israelis have done in Gaza since October the 7th. It has world

wars. It has deprivation.

And there's a reason why it has that as well.

And therefore, what you're looking at is this mentality.

Now, when you then ask the question,

why does it do this?

Why would it create a fake reality, a simulated reality?

Why would it do this? Well, there is an answer.

And it was summed up by, funnily enough, in the first Matrix movie, when

the Morpheus character held up a battery and said, the Matrix is a

computer generated dream world built to turn humans into one of these, into

this.

And that's...

What this is all about.

This.

Consciousness. Gnostics call. The devil.

Satan. Christianity etc.

It feeds off.

And it's.

Created minions.

Of the same mentality.

Feed off.

Human energy.

Now.

The higher levels. It seems.

of this matrix uh our contact level feeds off

human energy kind of in general but in the lower levels of this matrix

what people call the lower astral they feed off a particular type of

energy and it's a low vibrational energy which um is

basically

founded on fear, the energy of fear. Fear generates an

energy, a frequency when you feel fear, like all emotions.

It's depression, it's regret,

it's heartbreak, all these anxiety, all these low

vibrational emotional states that have a low, slow frequency. That's what they

feed off.

And so the more of that they can generate, the more sustenance, the more

energy, the more power that they have, the battery again.

And the whole point of this, the foundation of this matrix is

to entrap human perception and entrap.

Humans in a basically a closed system. It doesn't have to be closed, but it is

if you stay within it.

And you are generating events via this hierarchy down

into the global cult, manipulating wars and manipulating deprivation.

You are creating events which impact upon the

population.

In terms of mental and emotional energy so that you are generating

vast, vast, vast amounts of low vibrational

energy, particularly emotional energy.

And these people are feeding off it. Now, when we come round to what is this

that people are worshipping?

Well, I say that what we're looking at.

is the worship of this Yodabaioth consciousness, which

operates in terms of human perception in two

guises.

One is the devil, the

Satan, the negative force.

And people are kind of wary of the negative force.

And they fear the negative force.

But another guide that this Yod -Beoth consciousness is operating on is

the god of almost the entirety of religions.

And it's interesting, you know, that saying, which is very, very

true.

Energy flows where attention goes.

So when you worship,

it is a focused attention. What people call prayer is a

focused attention.

And worship, or the need to worship, comes

from the reptilian brain, which scientists call the reptilian brain or

-complex.

It's part of the human brain at the back here where that probe went in in the

Matrix movies appropriately.

And the reptilian brain has many functions,

one of which a key one of which is it's constantly scanning the environment

for threats to survival, not just threats to bodily survival,

but threats to.

Survival of relationships, survival of your job, survival in any

form. Road rage comes from the reptilian brain because the reptilian brain

doesn't think, it reacts.

And therefore, road rage is a reaction.

You know, people will react.

And then the other parts of the brain will kick in and they'll go, oh, my God,

what was I doing?

What was I thinking?

Well, you weren't. That's the point. It's the reptilian brain. Fight or

this response to danger comes from the reptilian brain. This is all mainstream

science I'm talking about here.

And so what I'm saying is that.

We are being manipulated to generate especially low vibrational

energy in forms of emotion and thought, which they are feeding off.

And so one other thing that will kind of, I hope,

make some sense of this is that, you know, one of the things that's been

very clear to me.

over the decades and more and more close to the present day,

is that the technological

advancement that we're seeing getting faster and faster,

well, alleged advancement, is mirroring more and more

through computerization, through AI, through...

all these other aspects, it's mirroring the very reality that

we are experiencing and how we experience it.

So if you said to people

that have no knowledge of computers or Wi -Fi, that they're, well, they're not

because I don't use Wi -Fi here, but in most places in this room would be Wi

-Fi.

And if you get a bit of kit called a computer, that bit of kit will

log in, lock in to the Wi -Fi, which is just a radiation field of encoded

frequency information.

And it will put whatever information you log it into on the screen in a

completely different form to how it appears in the Wi -Fi field, the

field.

if i said that to people who knew nothing about computers or wi -fi they'd

that i was crazy what are you talking about you're mad mate where where is

wi -fi field i can't see it well you can hardly see anything mate because the

visible light and the limitation of visible light Well, they tried to put, I

think, Marconi's mates tried to put him in the mental asylum, didn't they, when

they said he had a thing where he could bring things through the ether, you

know, same thing.

Well, that's the thing with mainstream science.

Until the evidence is overwhelming, it clings to the wreckage of its own belief

system until its knuckles turn white.

So the question then becomes, what is this matrix?

Well, it's a field or fields of information, encoded information.

And we are interacting with it because what is our computer?

It's this.

That's why I've been calling it since the 1990s, a biological computer.

And, you know, people think biological is natural and technological is human

made. But how do you know that?

How do you know that biological is natural?

Unless you have something that is without question natural to compare it

you have no way of knowing whether biological is natural.

And the more that I've researched this cult and its kind of inner

circle knowledge, the more it's become obvious that they don't treat the

biological.

as natural, they treat it as a very advanced form of technology.

And this human body is a program.

It's like a software program, just like the computer.

And we're interacting with the matrix, and this biological computer is

decoding the matrix into what we perceive to be the reality that we're

experiencing.

So, people might think that that is fantastic and that's just ridiculous and

just far out. But hold on.

When's the last time anyone remembers breathing?

Only when they were out abreast.

And second by second, fantastic adjustments.

And tweaks are happening in response to the environment and what's going on in

the body.

Within the biological computer, you go into a cold room, the body will

compensate. You go into a hot room, the body will compensate immediately.

Like a computer, because that's what it is, in effect, a biological computer.

But what I'm saying, and I've indicated this already with the reptilian brain

and there's so much.

More than that, there's also psychological programs running through

biological computer.

And these are basically the base instincts and

perceptions of reality of what we call humans.

They're running through this program.

One of the things that have really kind of hit me over the years before I

started getting banned from loads of countries is.

When I was travelling around the world... You're still banned, aren't

most of the countries?

Oh, God.

So, 2022 now, I've been banned from most of Europe. But the thing is that

travelling around the world before, you see all these different cultures and you

see all these different religions and beliefs, but you see people

reacting in the same situation.

basically the same way this is the body program these are the the body reaction

programs now what i'm saying is if you um do not

awaken to consciousness the true eye not the fake eye the phantom self

the the the the wider eye the bigger eye consciousness the eternal

eye then The body program is running your life.

And you can observe it.

You know, if you just take a step back in terms of your awareness,

you can observe the chatter going on through your head.

If I said this to her, and she said this to me, and I'm going to say that to

her, and you know what she did to me, and he did to me as well in 1963.

All this chatter's going on. It's like a hell for most people.

That's the freaking program.

And that which is observing at those times, the program, that's

That's you, right? The real you.

Real you, yeah.

But we obviously get confused between the body program, phantom self,

and the consciousness, eternal self, and those that...

manipulate the matrix want that so the way that we

create this reality or decode this reality it's done through the biological

computer so um the five senses are what lock us

in and connect us to this matrix field fields and you um

you look at how the five senses work and they all work the same

whether it's sight or touch or whatever, the hearing, taste, it's

all the same basic sequence.

And this is mainstream science again.

The five senses pick up frequency information

from the field.

They turn it into electrical information, which is then communicated

brain. And the brain has different parts, different areas, which specialize

decoding the different senses.

And then it puts together a sense of reality from that information.

And therefore,

just as this computer is decoding or would decode the Wi

-Fi field, it's decoding this connection.

into a completely different form, it's decoding it

inside the computer.

We're just looking at the screen, but it's all going on inside the computer.

Well, the way that we decode this reality

into what appears to be an external reality, but is not, is all going on

inside the computer.

And therefore, this world as we experience it is not

external to us. It appears like that because that's all part of the

manipulation process.

But it's actually going on in here, just as it's going on inside the computer.

And I'm talking here, for instance, but there's no words passing between us.

What's passing between us is a... a vibrational field of information

by my vocal cords.

The ears pick up that frequency field, sound waves they call it, of course,

turns it into electrical information, sends it to the brain, and the brain

decodes it into whatever language it's been programmed to

understand.

And then we hear words.

All the five senses kind of work like that. You know, I came across this

in a hospital once where they were talking about

a new form of pain relief, which was the

understanding that say you have a blow on the shin, you don't say out

until the...

signal from the shin the point of impact has been decoded by the brain that's

where you feel pain and this form of pain relief was to break

that signal to stop it getting to the brain and thus you don't say ouch

because the the pain doesn't get communicated from

the point of impact to the or wherever the pain is to the brain. And so, you

know, this is what's happening all the time. And the more,

therefore, that we can be manipulated through this

matrix, like virtual reality game,

to... respond to events that are presented to us in a

low vibrational emotional way the more wars the more conflict the more division

the more deprivation the more suffering the more what

has been called loose this low vibrational energy energy in general for

but um for the lower reaches absolutely the low vibrational stuff the

more that that's produced.

And this is what is happening.

We are entrapped to become loose

generators for this archontic and lower archontic force, which is absorbing

this energy.

And suddenly...

Trump or Harris takes on a completely new light.

Trump or Vance.

Starmer or Farage.

You know, and you can see why they want you focused. This is their conspiracy.

I'm going to vote for reform this time and Farage because he's the saviour.

going to sort it out.

That's where they want you. Because once you... Because...

Once you realize what the game is and you realize that the whole foundation of

it is to get incarnate awareness to forget its true nature.

And when you expand your awareness, you expand your self -identity. Not only

do you start tapping into levels of awareness beyond the matrix.

You tap into that level because your frequency has

expanded. Your frequency has got higher and quicker.

And therefore it's able to make a frequency connection to that which is

the matrix. Otherwise you're in the matrix and of the matrix.

And therefore the whole idea of the...

of the big conspiracy is to stop that connection being made. And when that

connection is made, what do we call it? We call it awakening.

Now, you can awaken, and this is where so many people are at, you can awaken

from the little prison cell to the bigger prison cell, slightly bigger

cell. Oh, there is a conspiracy then, and it's politics and finance and

Valley and all that stuff.

Or you can go beyond that barricade and you can

go into the real expanded levels of awareness, the true I, and

thus you can, what I would say, truly awaken, which is the memory

of who we really are rather than what we're constantly, incessantly

told we are.

And therefore, when you, and you know, this thing called death, which frightens

people. What is death?

Okay.

What happens when the computer

screen goes blank?

We say, my computer's just died.

Exactly.

So what is death?

It's when the biological computer, for whatever reason, ceases

to function.

When it ceases to function, it ceases to decode the matrix and

deliver that fake reality to your awareness.

And suddenly that awareness, no longer having that fake reality delivered to

finds itself in another reality, which you hear all the time with these near

-death experiences, etc.

And there's a whole story that I tell in The Roadmap and other books about

the afterlife.

And, you know, this matrix has other levels as well. And we need to get out

all of it, which we can.

But you can only do that if...

Your frequency takes you beyond the walls of the matrix.

And what takes you into the higher, higher, higher frequencies

is the expansion of your self -identity, what you believe

you are. Because if you believe you're Ethel on the checkout or Bill driving

bus, that's all you are.

then you are in a tiny sense of

self -identity. I'm Jason Neal Sass, as I am.

Yeah, well, but, you know, this is all the way. They give us a

kind of a life story and a sense of reality, and mostly

it's either...

I've got no power. I look to authority. They tell me they must know. These

scientists must know.

Or, oh no, I just follow God or do what God tells me to do.

And the... Oh, he's out there.

Interestingly,

the reptilian brain, this is again mainstream science, the urge to worship

comes from the reptilian brain.

So, you have this consciousness,

in two guises.

One is the negative force, which you're frightened of, and the other one is the

God force, which you look to to protect you from the negative force, when

actually it's the same frigging consciousness.

It's all a game. And, you know, when people think,

This is all crazy.

I mean, it's all, I don't understand what he's talking about. Well, have a

at this. Go onto a video platform and put in

words to the effect of the virtual reality

game compilations.

And you'll see something that just brings all this home.

What you'll see is people in a room,

just a normal room as they perceive it, putting a headset on in one of these

video games.

And immediately they put it on, their sense of reality is completely

overwhelmed and becomes something else.

They're in a room, they were in a room, the same room they put the headset on

in. And now they're screaming, they're running, they're falling over.

Because what's happened?

If you look at these virtual reality games, okay, headset, sight sense,

audio, hearing sense, gloves, touch sense, all these things. What are they

doing? They're hacking in to the five senses, which...

then are overridden by the information from the game and it takes over your

sense of reality.

Now, you are a consciousness and you enter

in the womb as the biological computer is developing.

You come out of the womb and all the way through

to when you end up in the cemetery.

Mummy, daddy.

The biological computer is delivering to you

a sense of reality and a perception of reality

all the way through.

Now, everyone else is basically decoding the same basic sense of reality. There

are, of course, differences in emphasis, but the same basic reality.

And they're all confirming to each other that this reality is real.

But unlike the headset, where you can go, whoa,

that does, that does a thing.

You can't, you can't stop this delivering your sense of reality.

and your perception of reality, short of this ceasing to function at what we

call death.

People say to me, are you Jason? They come in my shop, are you Jason? I bloody

hope not.

Yeah, it's the same.

Now, this is the thing, Jason, you can go through your life and you can kind

you know, enjoy it and all the rest of it, but all the time you

have this constant understanding that what you are having is an

experience actually an illusory experience it's not you it's not real

and what that does is um take away so

much of the impact that the matrix has upon you um because you know

it's it's it's It's not actually what you are experiencing is not

actually how it is. It's just how it's being interpreted to you.

But you can enjoy your life and you can get pleasure out of it. But

it's always knowing that what the situation is that you're in.

And that knowing, that conscious knowing.

stops the matrix impacting upon you in anything like the same way. I'll give

an example.

Most of the programming of humans is subconscious programming.

The conscious mind is a very small part of consciousness. Most of it is

subconscious.

And in the subconscious, they want to plant these...

because then they'll filter through to the conscious mind, and the conscious

mind thinks, oh, I've just had a thought.

Oh, I tell you what, I've just had some intuition.

But actually, it's stuff that's been implanted. Now, this is called in an

advertising, subliminal advertising.

And this is why this information is so important, because what you're

communicating to

is the conscious mind.

What you're doing is you're taking information from the subconscious

level and you're delivering it to the conscious level. And once the conscious

level is aware of it, the impact of it upon perception

and behavior dramatically diminishes.

Now, over the years, I've used a...

a picture in one or two books and it's four plants four flowers

and there's a subliminal clear subliminal when it's pointed out in

this picture and most people like 95 percent of people don't see

it immediately and then you point it out and what it is it's the word

made up of the white bits between the flowers.

What was the word again, David? You cut out there.

Sex. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, very clear. The point

is, where I'm going with this, is once it's pointed out, every time

you see that picture again, right into as long forward as you want to go,

the first thing you see when you see that picture...

is the subliminal why because it's been taken from the subconscious it's been uh

the conscious mind has been alerted to it and now it loses its impact because

the conscious mind is aware of it and this is um this is why this information

so important because basically what this what what is this cult

it's hidden

What is the subconscious? It's hidden from the conscious mind.

So therefore, as you take this information from the hidden

and you present it to the conscious mind of the population, suddenly

they become so much less affected by this

by this matrix than they were before.

And that's why they don't want it. Oh, sorry, may I?

Yeah,

they don't want that out. This is what censorship is all about.

And, you know, if you notice, again, we come back to what I was speaking about

towards the start.

Religion tells you that To go beyond its stories

into that infinity of possibility is blasphemy and the devil

and the occult. The occult is a word that just means hidden. And hidden

knowledge can be used, and it is, in flavors and to abuse us.

But the same knowledge can be used in a different way to set us free.

You can only go through the priest.

It's the set us free part they don't want.

us to explore.

And orthodox science wants to stop us going into those same areas through

pseudoscience or the paranormal.

And so it's all there to keep you in the box.

And I've always worked on the principle over the last 36 years now

of whatever I know or think I know, there's always more to know.

That is a fact that cannot be questioned.

The more I know, the more I know. My dad used to say to me, you think you know

everything. I say, no, I don't think I know bloody anything. What are you

talking about?

Yeah, well, the thing is that what happens when you think I've got

it, you stop.

You don't go any further because you've got it now. Well, none of us have got

it. What we're doing is getting it.

And the only way you get it is by having an open mind to all possibility.

It doesn't mean you believe everything.

Like you said about worship.

It's bloody, bloody great you mentioned that. I love that. The worship trap, you

know, and the guru trap.

I mean, you know. The guru trap. It's another version of the worship trap.

They're often the most bloody horrible assholes you can ever meet when you have

a good look at their lives beyond the scenes, you know.

It's quite disappointing quite often. I never put people on a pedestal anymore

because it's always like, oh, my God, you know.

Yeah, but the guru trap, I've never been into gurus or any of it. But

it's like, I have to, what do, what is said about Christianity?

Only through me can you get to heaven.

Well, what is the guru mentality?

Only through someone else can I expand my awareness.

The revolving door trap, yeah. It's not bloody true.

Do you know, when I started out 36 years ago, 1990,

the only people that would give me any

kind of platform at all, it weren't much of one, but I was glad of it in those

days, was what people called the New Age.

And so I would turn up at some...

Like conferences in America in the 1990s.

What was that, David? I didn't know that.

They put me on in the smallest room at the end of the night.

And when everyone had gone home.

What it meant was that during the day, I could watch these other people that got

the big audiences in those days.

And I looked at it and I thought, you're making it sound so

bloody complicated.

You've got to do this, you've got to do that, you've got to go on a quest and

all this stuff.

No, for me, it's much simpler than they're telling you.

Complexity is there to hide the simple behind it. So for

me, it's just expanding your self -identity from I am human to I

am...

expanded awareness, consciousness, ultimately all consciousness,

if I expand my awareness in its totality,

not that infinity has a totality, then

everything changes.

It goes beyond your quest. These are all stepping stones.

You know, it's like, you know, then you have to do this. Oh, you know, I

remember someone saying to me, it was like a kind of a guru type figure. They

think, oh, you're trying to go too fast. I'm not going fast enough, mate.

What are you talking about? You need to scrub the floors in an ashram for 10

years first, David.

It's all nonsense.

you you redefine your self -identity and and then you go through life

holding that self -identity oh we everybody gets pulled in here and there

they get pulled into the program but the more that you are aware the more as you

get pulled in the program you think oh getting pulled in the program withdraw

taking this too seriously um and and it

It's not as complex as people believe. It's a very simple

process. What's the challenge? You see, we are

awake. We're all awake at some level of awareness.

What stops us connecting with that awakeness

level of self?

are all the onion skins of programs, perceptual programs, that we are

to from cradle to grave.

So basically the process of awakening is removing those

onion skins of programs.

Now, what you can do is you can take a layer off, and then take another

layer off, and then another layer off.

Oh, there's still a lot more layers left.

Or you can blast the whole lot out of sight by completely

redefining your self -identity.

And that for me is how you can awaken massively

very fast once you go through that re

-evaluation of who you actually are.

And that's what they want us to forget. And that's why, just to complete the

chat here, that's why they want AI

human fusion.

That's why, and they're openly talking about it now, they want to fuse humans

with artificial intelligence so that artificial intelligence becomes the

mind. It becomes the thought processes. It becomes the emotional reaction

processes. So Loosh is on tap for a start.

But once AI is thinking for you

and it's thinking for people more and more,

in the totality as well as in the individual.

Once that happens, you won't ask questions like, who am I? What is this

What am I doing here? How did I get here?

Who's running the world? To what end?

That which controls AI is not going to have AI questioning the

big questions like that.

And that's what they want.

This is the end game of where they want to

take humans to a point where we don't even think for ourselves anymore.

And it's happening all the time.

Oh, it's happening so bloody fast now, it's unbelievable, you know.

The consciousness is more powerful than any of it.

Oh, absolutely, yeah. This is the two -stone weakling.

And the village idiot, compared with consciousness, we have to tap into that

and become that to access that power and that perceptual transformation.

Absolutely, mate. Absolutely.

Well said, David.

Before we go, let's see. I kept this too long, I know, but it's been bloody

great speaking. To be honest, it's like I had a little evening with you. It's

fantastic, mate.

Before I leave, I just want to say one thing.

Many people, and this isn't to get an answer off you.

It's been great speaking to you, David. Just to round this off for people,

right? And I'm going to have a little rant when I say goodbye to David. I

help it because I'm bursting.

I was going to say something, but...

Many people are saying to me now, David, that they feel so different. They feel

like they're in the world and outside the world. I know there's a great shift

taking place. I know there is.

And they say they feel different, and it's almost like excruciating. I think

it's what you were saying about the death of the old self.

Yeah. And people are really feeling it. And I want people to go and have a look

at a film called Defending Your Life. Albert Brooks was the producer, and he

in it.

And he went to another place of reality. And when he was up there, they assess

you and if you've got to come back down. God forbid if you've got to come back

here. But he said to him as a joke, he said, how much of my brain do you think

use? This is the enlightened sort of guy who was testing him.

He said, I use 37 % of my brain. He said, how much do you think you use,

Brooks, who's just come from Earth?

He said, 36.

He said, three.

He said, three?

He said, if you use more than 3 % of your brain, you couldn't be on Earth. It

would be too, too, too excruciating, you know.

But there's a great shift, and people are, you know, the smell and sauce is

there, David. Thanks to people like you, mate.

And I appreciate what you've done so much over the years, mate.

You've been a great instrument to help people hold their hands and help them

come into the light and come back towards themselves like a bungee jump.

Thanks for all you've done, mate. It's bloody amazing. DavidIke .com, I'm just

about to choke.

David Ike, thanks for everything you've done for people. It's massive what

you've done, and you've kept going.

You really are a beacon of light for people, mate, what you've done all over

these years. Thank you so much. Yeah, and I'll continue doing so. The other

platform is Iconic .com, of course, which is just a fantastic platform,

well worth a peruse.

Yep. It's amazing what you've done. Thanks so much, David. I'm going to have

quick rant. We'll say goodbye to David Icke. Thanks for your time, mate. Great

to see you, mate. Take care.

There he goes, David Icke, my God of life.

Wow, that's amazing.

Crikey, Moses.

I'm just going to say one or two things, but I won't stay long, honestly,

because it was so lovely just sat back and listening to David, you know, saying

these great truths.

And it is.

Very, very simple, like David said.

You know, we've been literally turned into batteries, you know.

Like I said at the beginning, we've been turned into prostitutes and beggars.

You know, even me and my shop, you know, I'm selling my artwork. Go to

jasonlefappas .com and you'll see.

Although it's a wonderful thing I like, think I do, I paint pictures and I sound

to people, we've still been turned into bog beggars and prostitutes to market

what we do and try and sell what we're doing, you know. It really is bad.

And like David said, it feeds off your energy, the system, to make profit for

it. That thing, that thing. And I call it a spider's web in my book, you know,

like the student loan trap or something like that.

You know, you've got to get a job. You've got to get a job. So the lights,

looking out my bedroom window one night and there was a street light with a

spider's web over it with a giant spider in there. And there was thousands of

flies hurling themselves at the light, literally, because the light is the food

that they need, whether that's a job or whether it's food or whether it's

clothing or shelter or water or whatever.

Status, you know, respect, you know.

You're a nobody. You haven't got a job, you know.

the system is brilliantly designed but i i thought my god that's a brilliant

analogy for the student loan trap i was talking about because the students or

people they've got to get to that light and to get to that light they've got to

go into the trap what david's booked the trap um which is the web the spider's

web and once you're in it at least with the spider that cocoons you and eats you

in two weeks with this bloody system they were in

It gets you. It traps you. You leave school. It lends you the money to feel

education. It's education.

Real education comes from the word educo, to adduce, to draw from within. I

think it's a Latin word here.

And it keeps you trapped for the rest of your life.

So, you know, I don't know where I was going with that, but I just want to say

that we're in desperate need of another system now.

A different system, and I would love to talk to David about that system. We've

got a naturalearthequaliving .com.

I've got a lady on the show tomorrow night. We're talking about it, Liz.

Sorry, tomorrow morning, I think.

We're talking about that.

And really, this system is dying because it's choking us. It's killing us.

It's snuffing us out.

We're so consumed by it. It takes all that energy, and it's wrong. So now

What do we do now? So I was just going to say to David,

about the shift that's taking place now, I was going to ask him in his opinion

and experience, what's next?

You know, what's next?

Well, maybe the system's got to crumble a bit more or choke people a little bit

more before people realise that they can't stay in their system. And we are

that point, I would call it an inflection point, a crossroads. David

a lot of crossroads in his book, whereby if we don't take another path now,

The path that is pulling us towards it is the giant trap, which is AI and

digital ID.

It's a giant trap because once you go through those gates, if you want to

survive and eat and pay bills and pay rent and get a car, you have to be in

system, that digital ID system. But the sad thing about it is it will dictate

whatever it wants you to do and you will have to do it or it will cut you off.

And I've said many, many times.

on my shows and in my writing and in my book. My book's called The Emergency

Transformation of Human Beings as the Solution to the World's Problems. You

see that on my website, jasoninsadis .com.

I wrote it 14 years ago.

And I talk about that a lot in there, you know, and about the new epoch, for

instance. The word epoch comes from the Greek word epoche, which actually means

stoppage, you know, in Greek.

It means stoppage. And the analogy I give there, It's not an analogy, it's

truth. And I think we're at a stage now with humanity where we've come, like in

any pregnancy, the time when the pregnancy stops and the birth begins,

transition point. And that's where we are now, I believe. And people can feel

because it's so excruciating.

And that's a positive thing when it feels so painful to be in this system,

almost unbearable, like David said.

We talked with David.

Once you start, for want of a better word, awakening, or you start seeing

for what they are, in one sense, it's a great relief because you realize, oh, my

God, no wonder I felt depressed all over these years. My depression and my

anxiety and my anger and my discontent was actually a natural symptom

from a healthy, beautiful, spirit body and mind that was...

trapped and being punished in a system of slavery and madness.

So when people say to me, I feel so depressed, almost suicidal sometimes,

people tell me in my shop, I say that's almost exactly how you should feel

because that's a natural symptom from living in this slavery, right?

But of course, you don't want to stay feeling like that. And that's what in my

book, I give plenty of examples and solutions to raising that vibration

that. uh uh pain and misery even whilst you're still in the job or the the

system that you're in to to to to relieve yourself of that um um solutions

to take away the symptoms which is very important but anyway i won't go on too

much here but um I just really wanted to say that. And to all the people, we did

touch on it with David, that they said, oh, well, I don't have to do anything

then. If the biblical thing is playing itself out, I don't have to do anything.

Everything is happening perfectly.

What you resist persists. You don't have to look at negative things.

You know, you're making it worse. You're magnifying it. No, no, no.

If you don't do anything, you've got to remember, because our system is almost a

set of consequences and feedback loops and outcomes from previous decisions

made.

with or without vision and wisdom right so our current lives and our system is

almost like a consequence because it's from what we've done previously yeah and

so thought creates things and you build it with your hands you know or with

whatever or with an army or with nurses in a hospital or whatever but um but but

what we've got to do now is realize even if we don't do anything we're still

creating those consequences further down the timeline So the big discussion I

could have had with David, which I would have loved to have, and I think David

is quite simple about this thing. If you say, David, what can we do? You just

say, I've heard him say on my shows before, just stop complying.

That's it.

Just don't buy in.

And a lot of people are doing that now. A lot of people are not paying their

bills.

water bills, their food bills, their this bills, their that bills, and all

kinds of things. They're not paying them. They're saying, that's it, I'm not

doing it.

And that's where I'm going to get the chat from Cabby on the show.

I know another lady recently, she had her own number plate on her car and

pay insurance for that, but they did arrest her. I don't know what's happened

far. But what I'm saying to round all this off is we are the

magicians, and I say we're magicians with amnesia.

We are the ones that... People, please stop saying when they comment on the

things, look, Jason is doing the hand signs.

Ooh, you know, I'm not doing the hand signs. I'm just moving my hands because

I'm Greek.

It's like pontificate.

The solution lies with us. David said the same kind of thing.

We are the solution.

We don't have to look outside there for the solution, but what we've got to do

is remember our power first and our magnificence. We're like magicians with

amnesia. I say in my book a lot about artists.

I'm only going to stay a couple more minutes. Hang on a minute.

We're artists, real artists, manifestors. And any canvas that we

paint on, whether it's the world's canvas of events or our own personal

we can change that canvas. We must remember that. And if it's so tracked

it's a bloody bin job, then we can create another canvas. So never, people,

please, never feel like it's hopeless and desperate.

yeah that's what the system wants you to feel yeah in hypnotism it's a fact look

it up if you if you hypnotize someone see as hypnotists do and you take away

their future they become very melancholy and depressed and that's because what

you've done is you've taken away their hope and we need hope right so i'm

you some hope now to tell you a tremendous world is still available to

However bad this one seems, we can create a new system, okay?

And I just want to show you my painting. I think I sent it to David.

This is one of my political paintings I've done. It's called Refuse to Fight,

yeah? Look.

Freeze the screen and have a look, yeah?

Refuse to fight.

I mean, can you imagine if every military personnel, of course, they've

do it because they've got a family and they've got food, they've got a boy,

they've got bills.

you know and they'll get court marshals and they'll you know i think they even

kill you if you desert now yeah if you desert we'll kill you but saying no is a

great thing it's one of the most spiritual things don't think saying no

weakness it's not it's like no it's very powerful in this spiritual world yeah

so and just remember we can find solutions and sometimes You can only

things once you begin.

It's very much like that. When I started my book, David, I don't know about

this, but this book, you start a book, you think, what am I going to talk

Boom. And then you get going and you carry on.

So often better tools and better systems will present themselves once we put our

foot on the walkway towards another world, another possibility.

Because I'm telling you, if we don't create new systems now, when it comes to

and digital slavery,

it'll be much easier for them to stop you. So if you say, well, I'm going to

a farm now, and we're going to create a community with our own food and our own

water, our own center for transformation, consciousness, and

They'll say, no, you won't, because we'll just switch you off. We'll switch

bank accounts off if you do such a thing.

So that kind of thing is coming.

So we have to rise above fear, like David said.

Fear is very paralytic to consciousness and development in a human being, just

like it is with an animal or a dog.

If you're controlled by fear all the time, which most people are in this

it's fear -based.

Death is based on short -term greed, profit, power, debt, and slavery.

So that's very paralytic to consciousness and development in a human

So it should be based on...

Happiness, joy, freedom, caring, sharing, blah, blah, blah. But it's not.

It's based on the opposite of what it could be.

And like David was saying, it's like evil. It's awful.

Anyway, that's it. I think I'm going to stop there because I'm getting carried

away. But only because I wanted David to speak and I didn't want to jump in.

What's that there I was just going to say? Oh, yeah, one more thing I want to

just say about the digital AI.

There's a very good Star Trek episode called The Cage with Dr. Spock and

Kirk. A great mentor of mine, Charles Muses, was very friendly with Gene

Roddenberry, who was the founder of the original Star Trek series.

This one's called The Cage, and Spock and I are put in this plastic sort of

room, Perspex room, and those guys with the big heads, you know, just looking

in, and they don't say anything. They don't even use any words, but they're

telepathic, and they can even...

tell when you're planning something against them and it was called the cage

every time spock and and and kirk used to say anything bad about them or think

about trying to get out there was an invisible collar on their neck which had

choked them yeah that is what's coming to us if we

Don't create new systems.

And naturallywithecoliving .com, which I thought the link will be underneath

this show, and I got another lady on this week, Liz, who's talking about

people who are trying to create new communities.

So out of this, as I said in the beginning, the more the choking hands of

slavery are put around our throats, the more we will find another system,

yeah? Okay, so it's often the pain and the excruciating torture of one system

that forces us towards finding another system, yeah?

If the water and the food runs out in a village somewhere in the old days, in

the Amazon or something, they go and they try and find something else. So

good. All right. We're in a good place. I am very positive and I've got a lot of

hope for humanity.

But it's almost like evil's got it. I'm not doing the biblical thing here, but

it seems to be showing its true face now.

And I've said many times in my shows that I think there will come a time

evil won't even try and hide anymore. With Obama and Clinton and Bush and all

those, they were pretending that they were good people when they were bombing

and killing people, at least, you know.

These lot, Trump, Netanyahu, and their ilk, you know, Witkoff, Kushner, and

what's his name?

David mentioned him, you know.

They don't care. They're just saying, we don't care. We'll bomb them. We'll kill

them. Trump even said, oh, and we'll let them bomb them again just for fun.

These are the words of psychopaths. And these are the kind of people who need to

be quarantined immediately.

and put into quarantine and locked up until they can either be rehabilitated

maybe they won't be able to do anything else anymore. Apparently on a much

higher level, on a soul level, apparently there's a time where if souls

show that they're going to purify themselves and move onward, then they

get sort of, that's it, you had your chances, that's enough. So I feel that's

where we are now. Evil's shown its real true face. I'm very positive.

I'm very motivated and excited about these next few months and the next year

so, because I truly believe that the more the shackles of digital ID come on

the more we're going to be forced to try and create new communities independent

of government control and slavery.

Government in its current form is a sickness.

There is no doubt about that. The government that governs the best is the

government that governs the least.

The least, the better.

And please go and see my other shows, jasonleafanatis .com.

I've got Dane Wigington. We're talking a lot about the geoengineering now.

The Guardian, George Monvier, the BBC and the Times did hit jobs on me saying

was a conspiracy fantasist or fictionist because I was talking about

geoengineering as a fact.

Look what's happened. Look at the skies, yeah?

People are feeling ill. People are feeling tired.

And they just keep spraying it out.

It's going to change, believe me.

Everything's going to change. And I do believe we'll create new, very exciting

communities, very, very exciting communities, which will run parallel to

ones that we don't want to be in.

But we've got to create them. And I think the more people see how exciting

templates are, you'll get more people coming across.

And I think we can work with farmers.

Tomorrow, I've got Andrew on, and he is a local man here in Tottenham. He's a

great guy.

The link will be under the show. I'm going to be an affiliate for his

You'll get a discount if you use my code.

Andrew created an amazing invention that actually cuts fuel.

It cuts the usage of fuel by a huge amount in vehicles.

And he'll be explaining all about it tomorrow on the show. You hear it in

Totnes. And it's very, very exciting, especially now that you've put 20 quid's

worth of diesel or petrol in your car. It's like, what?

What's happening?

Thanks for the straights being closed. Thanks for the lunatics and the

psychopaths who are bombing around.

Well, we'll see what happens. But for the time being.

I'll say goodbye. Get my book, of course, jasonleosadvis .com. You'll see

there, The Emergency Transformation of Human Beings.

My website, jasonleosadvisart .com. My gallery's in Tartness. Come and say

if you're here.

My wife's website is naturalesecoclothing .com. She's an

designer, and she designs organic clothes, all sourced very ethically and

wonderfully.

And the other website, again, is naturalecoliving .com.

And I think that's it for me. I don't know about David. He probably needs to

down after that chat we had.

And we're up to nearly two hours now.

But I always appreciate David's time, davidlike .com. The books, I've just got

few of them written down. I've got them downstairs.

Most of them, The Trap, The Dream, The Reveal, The Trigger. I remember he sent

me that just before one of the shows we did years ago. It was about that thick.

It was like, wow, you know.

uh the treasure robots rebellion is one of my favorite titles robots rebellion

yeah the robots rebel down the recent one the road map um david was kind to me

years ago he used to put me on his platform the people's voice and um and

like i said i met him uh probably going on 40 years ago now i don't know in bath

when he did a talk there was there wasn't many people there and look what's

happened now you know i think david said to me and i'll say it here again

He couldn't hardly walk down the streets of England without saying, ha, ha, ha,

there's David Icke, you know, after the Wogan thing, where Wogan laughed at him.

But by God, it's not so funny now. You know, all the things that David was

saying about Epstein. I know people in Parliament that told me, Edward Heath,

Lord Mountbatten, Phil Smith, blah, blah, blah, all these people.

Peter Falls. That was before Jimmy Savile, before Prince Andrew, and before

Epstein. I was told by someone in Parliament that they're all Peter Falls.

also, I have to say here, they did say Prince Charles as well. Whether that's

true or not, I don't know.

But that's what they heard. And he pointed at Parliament and he said, they

know in there.

He said, but they're untouchable.

Clearly not so untouchable nowadays because it's all coming out. And let's

what happens with Trump.

It seems to me like he's up to his neck in it.

So finally, the truth's coming out. It always does. The truth always comes to

the surface in the end.

And I think that's it for me.

Believe it or not, let's have a quick look at what I've got to do here.

That's it. I just think I say end, and it goes off.

So, yeah, lots of love to you all. As I always say at the end of my shows, I

love you all dearly, whoever you are, whatever you are.

Be kind to yourself.

It is a bit of a biblical thing, but it's just an obvious truth.

Treat other people like you like to be treated.

If everyone did that, we'd be living in a virtual harmony.

There's no borders, like David said.

Divide and conquer, yeah?

Yeah? Problem, reaction, solution.

It's so easy to control people.

If you go up in a hot air balloon, there is no borders from up there. You know,

if you had some intelligent beam for another realm of...

of, you know, symbiosis. And you said, hey, you know, look at that.

That's Iran. That's blah, blah, blah. That's Iraq.

That's Israel.

That's blah, blah, blah.

They're fighting them. They're killing them. They're killing them. They funded

them. Netanyahu funded them, so he'd kill them, so he'd be able to do that.

It's a mental asylum.

It really is. It's become normal.

It's a global casino. Mental asylum.

Become normal.

And it's absolutely mad. Okay.

Go to Patreon if you want to support me there. I always need support.

Once I was banned off YouTube years ago, I got, I don't know, 50 ,000

subscribers, which is not a lot.

But I never really was coming fully from that.

And I don't monetize things as I should do, actually.

So if you want to support me on Patreon, go over there and support me on

Patreon. I've started another YouTube channel now. I don't know how long it

be before they ban me on that one.

But you can find me on there. You can find me on Rumble and other places. But

JasonEasthouse .com is the best place to go because that goes to my gallery and

everything like that.

And I'll see you all tomorrow.

And just to say, I love you all. Love each other. Be kind to each other.

Try and be happy inside and tap into that tremendous power within yourself.

Still the chattering rhymes.

My book talks about that a lot.

And just feel that tremendous power and peace within ourselves because you are a

brilliant artist and paint a great picture for yourself and for other

must act. We must.

So thanks pretty much again to David Icke and love you all.

See you again tomorrow.

Bye -bye.