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She's represented. She won decidedly. It was a 6 -1 vote. And she did it without

ever receiving a vote at Tribal Council. Not one vote was ever cast against her.

And what about Lil?

What an emotional rollercoaster for the Boy Scout leader.

She laughed. She cried. She lied. She's voted out. She's voted back in. She

almost won. It was one of the most exciting Survivor Seasons ever. There is

lot to talk about tonight. We're going to get to it all, including...

This guy, one of the most popular and entertaining survivors ever.

Plus,

not since Richard Hatch has there been a guy we love to hate as much as John,

and his lie about his grandmother put him in the Survivor Villain Hall of

My grandmother's not here for a reason.

She's not around.

My grandmother's sitting home watching Jerry Springer right now.

And we'll find out the story behind Austin's quit and the resurrection of

outcast at the reunion show.

It's a lot to get to in this hour. We're going to move quickly. Starting with, I

said it before, without question, the lippiest mom we've ever had on the show

Sandra Diaz.

Congratulations. So that is you. That take no prisoner, say what's on my mind.

Tell it how it is. That's always been my motto. Up front, straight up.

And was the way you played to sort of just go with the flow, did you think

that or did you just adapt as you got out there?

Well. First of all, everyone was strategizing, and I was like, why waste

strategizing? If they need an extra vote, I'll just go with whatever

And everyone always had bigger fish to fry, and nobody worried about me. So I

just kept on every three days, three days, three more days.

Until I made it to the end. As you were watching this at home with your friends,

what was the reaction week by week as you kept hanging in there? Oh, the

challenges, of course. Every time another water challenge, I would be

look away, don't watch, because I'm going to do horrible. And they're like

laughing at me. Don't you know how to swim? And I'm like, well, a swimming

is different than the ocean, that's for sure. So that's the truth. Austin says

that's the truth.

We'll get to you. Thank you. One incident with the fish. Came back,

voted out.

Krista ends up taking the heat. One of your good friends. Krista, was there any

fallout from that afterwards?

No, she did what she had to do. I tried to put the blame on everybody else, but

she did it, so it's cool now.

She's still my buddy. In general, jury, why this vote? Rupert, why did you vote

for Sandra?

I voted Sandra just because she played the game so hard. We were friends.

We were together from the start. But that girl played hard.

You know, she didn't let anybody even really see how she was playing. And she

was playing us all.

How about you, T? You were the one vote for Lil. What swayed you that way?

It really came down for me who answered my question the best. And Sandra even

supported Lil by saying, hey, you know, she's...

put you all in to, you know, losing the game. And I thought that meant strategy.

That meant she did play the game.

Now, Lil, you were in control of the game when it got down to this choice

between John or Sandra.

Why did you ultimately pick Sandra?

I picked Sandra because I used my heart more than my head.

Sandra was a mom like me, a wife like me.

She had plans for her kids.

And no offense, but John's lifestyle was totally different from

mine.

You know, he's into the drinking and the carousing and what have you. And I just

couldn't accept that. And I didn't feel like I was going to be voted for because

I was an outcast.

And it just got down to who did I think deserved the money more?

And I prayed about it. I thought about it. And it was Sandra.

So now let's reverse the scenario just to see what would happen. You pick John

instead. Sandra, you're now in the jury.

John, you're not in the jury. Show of hands from our new jury, the existing

people, including Sandra and not John. I don't think I want to look. If she had

taken John, who would have voted for Lil?

In a minute.

Four votes.

Lil? That's a $900 ,000.

It's all right. I put my trust in it, and I went the way my heart was. And

that's just Lil.

That's not inside the game. That's not... I can

live with that.

You took a beating out there emotionally. There were some days where

sure you were going to make it through.

Psychologically. Yeah.

You're right. It was hard on me. It was very hard on my body, and I know when I

came off the plane, I know my daughter cried, and I was beaten.

I was hurt.

You know, interestingly, or maybe not, but in the seven seasons, in five of the

seven seasons, the person who won the final immunity challenge lost the game.

Don't know what there is in that, but Rhino.

Regarding Lil, you gave her a hard time about lying and wearing the scout

uniform and this juxtaposition.

Yeah, I just felt, you know, if she was going to be in the uniform, you know, go

through with it, you know, scouts on her the whole, you know, the whole nine

yards. But Lil lied, and, you know, she got me and Andrew out, and she

strategically,

she played a great game. But as far as that goes, she was, you know, I mean,

lied. But you lied.

Oh, yeah, I lied. all the time.

Sorry,

Lil. Well, no, wait. I don't think you should be apologizing to Lil Savage.

Why?

It's a game. Why? Because she's a scoutmaster in real life and Rhino's an

electrician. Is it okay for him to lie and it's not for her?

Here's my philosophy on survivors.

It's an extreme slice of life, but when you're in that element, your true inner

being comes out.

My sense, she was a Boy Scout troop master.

So my sense is the true Lil in the game should be upholding the Scout's honor.

And Rhino is an electrician. He didn't have a Scout uniform on, so he can lie

much as he wants. Really?

Anybody here support the fact that you can separate being a Scout master or a

parent from being an electrician and not the lying? Trish?

Yeah, I think you can totally separate it. I think that Lil played a great

And I think that, you know, the bottom line is you have to lie, cheat, and

steal. And I think that she tried to be as nice as she could until she couldn't

be any nice. She couldn't be nice anymore. And I don't think it's really

say that she was wearing a Scoutmaster uniform, so therefore she should have

herself get kicked out, you know, and not try to lie, cheat, and steal the way

everybody else did. I thought Lil said it best.

at the very end of Tribal Council, when she said, you either play the game or

you get voted out.

And the whole time we were out there, I thought it was interesting that you guys

hammered her time after time after time because she chose to wear a scout

uniform and lie. But, you know, it's just me. I'm not in the game. Up next,

will ever forget that growl, that laugh, that voice?

We will talk to one of the most popular and entertaining survivors we've ever

had, Rupert, next.

Five minutes into the game, he's stealing shoes.

He wore skirts that revealed more than any of us wanted to see. And he caught

more fish than his tribe could eat. And he did it all with a gusto that made him

one of the most electrifying survivors ever.

I'm a thrilled pirate.

I have black beard. Happy, happy, happy.

The other team, Morgan, came up, sat their stuff down next to us.

And all left.

Everything that I could find in there.

I took.

I'm coming out here to be the caretaker.

And I think I'm doing it.

I portray a very strong and independent person.

But in my head, I'm that fat little terrified kid that was picked on in

all his life.

I never give up.

I never surrender.

I never admit defeat.

Rupert wins immunity for Drake.

Rupert, where does that enthusiasm for all aspects of life come from? Because

this one hand, you're this little fat kid that gets picked on, and yet you're

living so large.

I could not tell you. I am so happy for everything that I got and everything

that I can do and now all of this.

But in life in general, when we met you for the show, you had that approach to

life that was full of gusto.

With nothing, even having nothing and living, you know, the way we live, I've

been appreciative of everything I've ever had, everything I've ever gotten.

you just got to take it. You got to take it. You got to appreciate everything

you got and be happy. And I love it.

Did you have any idea at any point in the 39 days that you were going to be

popular when people saw the show?

No, not at all. Not at all.

I was afraid that people would see some crazy ass... I

was afraid that people would see some crazy little guy out there running

thinking he was playing.

By the way, where did you learn to do all this living in Indianapolis?

How did you learn to fish and use a Hawaiian swing? I have been playing in

water, catching fish, catching snakes, catching little goodies since I was

years old. I brought my first snake home grabbing a hold of my hand when I was

three. And my mom let me keep it.

I've always played that. What was the reaction back home? Week by week, your

popularity started to grow and snowball.

I couldn't believe how people were taking me. I never thought it would be

wonderful experience.

Never. I knew I wanted to come play Survivor and be on it. Ever since I saw

Richard Hatch out there playing around, I knew I could beat him.

He gets knocked around more than anybody.

Well, I know this group well enough to know.

The reason you guys are on the show, as you guys hear the live audience here

loving Rupert, I know there's people going, and Sean, I've read a few

interviews. You've talked a little bit about your thoughts about how Rupert was

portrayed on the show.

Yeah, well, you know, I think everyone, all of us, are really great people here.

I have no animosities really towards anyone. I just thought when I was

the show that in terms of Rupert's portrayal, and I'll just use mine as an

example, I feel that they showed a lot of Rupert's greater moments and a lot

more of my lesser moments.

Not that there were more greater moments of Rupert's and lesser moments of

yours, too. No, it's just funny how the portrayal happened.

But, I mean, he's a great guy. He's an amazing guy. It had nothing against him.

It was just, you know, it's funny what they choose to show and what not to.

So, do you think he was unfairly represented?

No, it wasn't my point he was unfairly represented.

You just weren't portrayed. I just felt like they just kept all the great

moments in and didn't show any of the lesser, which we all have out there. And

think they focused on more of our lessers and a little more of his

Savage, you were...

From this group, you were definitely a strategist. You had a pretty even keel

about assessing people.

What's your take on Rupert overall in terms of how he played the game?

Yeah, I love Rupert.

Big old modern -day pirate. I think he played a great physical game.

But honestly,

I think his mental game was a little weak. And the reason I say that is

he chose to trust Johnny Fairplay rather than me and Rhino. And six days after

me, Johnny Fairplay cut him loose.

You know, that's tragic.

You're nodding your head, Rupert. Yeah, I chose to go back to Drake Drive where

I couldn't really trust everyone and I should have stayed with the Morgans that

treated me like... I should have stayed.

I should have stayed.

I think one of the things about Rupert that appealed to a lot of people is that

you were sort of an every...

Every guy, you know, it wasn't like you were a Hollywood leading man type or any

of those things. But you you went out there and you did the daily grind and

had this attitude.

And then we find out as the show goes on that your self -esteem is not all that

it appears to be.

And there's the times when Burton and Sean are picking on you and they're

looking at your butt and they're laughing about the skirt.

Does this reaction do anything?

Has there been any change in your feelings about that? When I was

done with my little

stint in 27 days and I had 12 days on the jury, I realized.

You know, I didn't need to be that scared little kid anymore. I realized I

didn't need to go back to people that didn't appreciate me as much. And my

safety zone was opening up a little wider. I could accept more from, I could

accept people taking me as okay.

This was a great journey for me.

And look, by the way, can we get a shot of Rupert's wife? Because life has

blessed you in a lot of ways, my friend.

He's been that scary guy to keep people away from me. She thought through it.

Are you that same scary guy now, or are you more open in that way, too? I am a

lot more open now. I can smile a lot more. I look people in the eye more

of looking down. I'm a lot better. I'm a lot better inside and out.

Well, it was very nice having you on the show.

On the other side of the coin, Johnny Fairplay was one of the greatest

Go ahead, let it out.

He was caustic, he was abrasive, and like Rupert, he could look you in the

but he could lie with ease, and we love to hate him. Johnny Fairplay is next.

John, let me ask you a question. What is this about?

That's Johnny Fairplay right there. That's the F. That's the Y. I'm all in

between. Johnny Fairplay. I play fair. No cheating.

It's like two opposite ends of the spectrum with Rupert and John.

Was that a plan from the beginning if you got on the show to be obnoxious and

a villain?

I wanted to be the most, well, if it wasn't, I should have screwed up.

No, I wanted to be the most hated survivor of all time.

And I think I did a pretty good job on it.

Well,

okay, John, we've established that.

But when I say it wasn't a plan, is that you? If I see you on the street, are

you kind of that kind of a jackass?

Putting this on, did you think this was a good strategy?

I'm kind of nice, but I'm an a -hole, pretty much.

Well, who is Johnny Fairplay? Was that created for Survivor, or is that

something that lives outside?

Johnny Fairplay was, I used to do wrestling stuff before Survivor, and I

a... Yeah, forgive us for laughing.

I was always a bad guy, and I went by Johnny Fairplay because it was a

And I come out there, and I was like, you know, it's Fairplay. I don't cheat.

And then when you cheat, they go, I thought your name was Fairplay. I was

well, I lied.

So what's been the reaction on the streets? Because the last several weeks,

people had a pretty strong reaction to you.

I've had people just tell me flat out they want to kill me.

And I give them the finger, and then they cheer, and it's weird.

That kind of screws up the whole villain thing when they're happy.

I mean, your idea is to... Yeah, well, I mean, I actually just want the guys to

hate me. The girls, you know, I'd like to be the most popular survivor there.

Yeah.

I'm going to take a whole other show and a lot of work.

If he wasn't bad enough, then comes this dead grandmother lie.

A move so...

and so evil, it definitely guaranteed John a spot in the Survivor Villain Hall

of Fame. Take a look.

It was either going to be my buddy or my grandmother

coming, and my grandmother's not here for a reason.

She's not around.

My grandmother's sitting home watching Jerry Springer right now.

I swear on my grandmother. I swear, I swear, I swear. I swear. I swear on my

grandmother. That's a big freaking deal. And I wouldn't break that.

Krista made me swear on my grandmother's grave. And I was like, one of her last

wishes was that I win.

This is John's grandmother, Jean. So did you know anything about the... First of

all, let me say what everybody's thinking. We're imagining, when we hear

dead grandmother, we're imagining a frail, maybe 85, 90 -year -old

We're not imagining this young, beautiful woman. But this is your

right, John?

Oh, that's my grandma. Okay.

Were you in on this?

No, no.

No. No idea? No idea, no. When did you find out?

When you found out.

When we called. Right.

Yeah, what happened was, after that challenge, we were all devastated, so we

called back home to see if there was anything we could do, and you answered

damn phone.

By the way, Thunder D.

What's up?

Yeah, you were in on it. A little bit. Just a tad.

A tad?

A little bit more. You came out, and you set up the lie.

John set it up before we left, but I played it out for him. All right. Are

okay with this? Is this something you expect from John?

Well, you outsmart.

So it was a game. It was a game.

John, any remorse at all thinking back on that a little bit?

No way.

Are you kidding me?

So, shoot. Maybe all -stars my grandpa will die. I don't know.

Can you take this notion of lying too far? Krista, when you hear something

this, what's your take on it?

Absolutely brilliant. I wish I would have thought of it myself.

Lil.

I keep telling everyone when they approach me about being in this uniform,

keep saying it's game, it's game, it's game. Well, on a personal level, a

weeks ago I buried my mother.

You know, people come to me and say, how dare him say this? But I say the same

thing. I want the same understanding for myself as I do for him.

It's a game. And, Sean, you did it. You did it, boy.

But I congratulate him on it. And we all fell for it. I mean, I fell for it. I'm

sitting at the challenge going, wow, tough break, you know, for this poor

And, Sean, there's no.

Love lost. You were on the other end with a lot of people. You guys almost

to blows. As close as I've seen two people almost come to blows.

You're joking about it now, John, but there was a time when you guys were

at each other's throats.

What kept you from hitting him or going after money?

Probably because I got voted off the island.

I thought I was going to come back and have another chance, but no, I didn't

have that. No, I mean, you know, when you're out there and you're going

all those tense moments and you got someone like John on you every five

I think I speak for a couple other people when I say I probably wasn't the

one that wanted to probably knock him out.

I heard it during a couple exchanges during a lot of different challenges.

You know, when you got someone as brash as that out there when you're going

through all those things.

You know, sometimes a joke just goes too far. And, John, are you pulling for

that? Are you hoping he throws a punch? Because there's only really two rules on

Survivor. You cannot hit somebody, and you can't conspire to share the money.

That's exactly right. Actually, I was hoping when I wrote Rupert's name down

first time, I was hoping he was going to punch me. I was going to be like, God,

well, finally.

Savage, what is it about fair play that makes him a good player? Because he was

a good player in this game. A lot of things happened around him.

Yeah, you know, I'm not in the habit of giving Johnny any compliments.

I think he absolutely deserves to be in the final three. He, from my opinion, he

seemed to have a great read on people, studies body language, and, you know, he

has that rare talent to tell you a horrible lie straight to your face, and

believe it, hook, line, and sinker. Speaking of being a ladies' man, not to

stuff out of the bag, but tell me just if this is true or not, did you and

Nicole spend any time together at all after this show?

Nicole, true or not?

No. No. Absolutely not. Come on.

Burton, any time at all with any of the survivors here, have you spent any time

at all with any of the victims? We're not allowed to do that.

Burton.

That'd be against the rules, yeah? Anybody up here on this back row, before

ask them directly, that you want to beat to the punch?

Michelle.

I'm just hearing a little rumors about some of the love connections. He's like

my big brother.

Yeah? Yeah.

Dara, is Johnny Fairplay any more appealing sitting this close to him than

was out on the island? Because he was sitting on you quite a bit out there.

No, he's not appealing at all.

Speaking of which, what's going on with your, I know the one aspiration you

really have is to be a model. Anything going on with that?

Not right now, but hopefully after the show's done and over with, hopefully

get something. If not, then I'll continue what I'm doing now. Working

people. Well,

I mean. Well, actually, I'm back in school, and I'm going into dental

right now. Oh, cool.

All right.

Okay, well, up next, one quit.

While six others were fighting to get back in the game, Austin and the

are next. Before we go, take a look at what's happening tonight in Cincinnati,

Lil's hometown. This is Newport -on -the -Levy. Some of her biggest fans are

there, including your scout troop, Lil.

that was designed by a fan.

Take a look at the challenge. You'll remember this one. A little word

in which I forgot how to spell liaison.

And it was created by 14 -year -old Kylie Kusick, who is here with us. Let

just set up this story.

The idea was you met our challenge producer, John Kerhofer. He was over at

house, and he said, you're the guy that comes up with the challenges? It doesn't

seem that hard. You went in your bedroom and came up with a challenge.

Right. Next thing you know, what? It's on TV?

Uh -huh, and it was really cool because I'm a big fan of the show, so it was

kind of fun to see my idea up there.

And then you were, I know the news came out, you were in Entertainment Weekly,

and it's by far the cheapest challenge we've ever had on the show.

All right, well, keep sending your ideas in. All right. Well, in seven seasons,

there have been 112 survivors. Never, ever have we had somebody so physically

and emotionally exhausted that they had to quit. But that happened this season

when Austin...

Throw in the towel.

Anybody knows me is when I come to play, at anything, it's 110%. And if I can't

get that, I'm out.

I'm going to get sick, and I can sense it getting more and more.

I'm just not feeling that I need that.

Put me right out, because I don't deserve to win.

Okay? You guys stuck it out.

Your body could last longer than mine. Mine couldn't. Vote me out. It's been a

pleasure.

It's been a pleasure with all you guys.

I just don't have it in the tank anymore.

Austin, for your wishes, go home.

Looking back on that, obvious question. Any regrets?

Not at all.

Really? Satisfied with my decision, absolutely.

What's been the reaction for you on the streets?

People give you a bad time? Oh, you get a bad time. You know, some people show

support. Some people show disgust.

But at the end of the day, you know, it's a game.

And my health is more important to me.

Well, and I think that's the question everybody had, though, is you seem so

concerned about blood in the lungs and catching pneumonia.

I mean, and you didn't like pelicans. You didn't like bugs. Was there a point

where you said, what the hell am I doing out here? I never should have signed up

for this.

I'm like Eladia.

I'm not an outdoors person in the least bit.

You know, the whole appetite for me to come here was to win a million dollars.

That's it. I mean, I knew I was going to deal with some adversity with the bugs,

you know, pelican, snakes, what have you.

Crabs bite my ass. I mean, I knew there was elements that I wasn't going to

agree with, but, you know, hey, try and do it so I can win a million dollars.

I mean, it was going to be with some adversity, but none to the extent that I

actually dealt with when I was on the island.

Yeah. So you're feeling all right about everything, though?

Yeah, I'm feeling all right about it. You know, the...

In life, you're going to make decisions.

Some are going to be popular, some are not going to be popular. You may have to

stand up and say, hey, this is a decision I'm going to make. Is it going

backlash? Yeah, it's going to be backlash.

But at the end of the day, take the backlash, be a man, and walk on.

Can't argue with that. No. You're sticking up with what you decided for.

Absolutely. Now, on the other side, there was a decision that was not liked

lot of people, and that was the outcast.

Six people who'd been voted out were given a chance to come back into the

Sean's already shaking his head. It was really clear. If you were an outcast,

man, you loved it. And if you weren't, then you hated it. But we could debate

whether it was fair or not all night. The thing I thought was interesting, one

thing was the way the two tribes welcomed the people back.

Andrew, you went after Lil.

You know, she doesn't deserve to be in this game.

Rupert went right to Burton, put his arm around Burton and said, let's settle

the score.

Two very different approaches.

Strategically, do you wish you'd handled it differently?

Absolutely. You know, I didn't like the jaw drop and twist, but I think there's

a lot to learn from it. I thought, you know, how it happened on TV, and I think

it's a heightened sensitivity.

Instead of casually thinking or wondering what your tribe mates are

what they're feeling, you should take it to the next level. Step into their

shoes, go for a good long walk, and figure out.

how they're feeling and how they're reacting to things.

With a little reflection, Skinny Ryan, any advice you would give to somebody

coming into this game? Because you were out early and then had a chance to sort

of watch everybody play. Anything you learned from that?

Yeah, it's two parts. I mean, you really got to go in there really, really quick

and try and feel out people and try to make friends really quick.

But at the same time, everybody else in the tribe did that. I mean, they just

clicked up really quick. And I was outcasted from that. I wasn't part of

group that they had made. How about you, Trish? Any one point you learned that

if you did it over again, you'd do differently?

No.

No. I mean, I think I played the best game I could. And, you know, I thought

that my one probably disappointment was that I was the last one voted out and

into the OutKast tribe. So I thought I had a slim to none chance being voted

back into the game because they had all been with each other for so long. So

that was probably the biggest disappointment. Yeah.

Goodnight, everybody.