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- ( dominoes clacking ) - ( birds chirping )

( woman speaking on TV )

( birds chirping )

- ( phone rings ) - ( clicks )

( man speaks Arabic )

( clicks )

( clicking )

YOU CANNOT WAGE A WAR WITHOUT RUMORS,

WITHOUT MEDIA, WITHOUT PROPAGANDA.

ANY MILITARY PLANNER

THAT PLANS FOR A WAR--

IF HE DOESN'T PUT MEDIA, PROPAGANDA

ON TOP OF HIS AGENDA...

HE'S A BAD MILITARY.

Man: SOUND?

- Deema Khatib: OKAY, FINE. - Imad: 30 SECONDS.

Khatib: OKAY, I'LL GIVE YOU A COUNTDOWN.

- 10... - Imad: NINE.

NOT YET, IMAD, NOT YET.

( man speaking Arabic on monitor )

( Khatib speaks Arabic) 10...

Imad: NINE, EIGHT, SEVEN...

Man #2: SIX, FIVE, FOUR...

- ( chattering ) - Imad: THREE, TWO, ONE.

- CUE. - CUE.

( man #3 speaks over intercom )

My fellow citizens,

the United Nations Security Council

has not lived up to its responsibilities,

so we will rise to ours.

Saddam Hussein and his sons

must leave Iraq within 48 hours.

Their refusal to do so

will result in military conflict

commenced at a time of our choosing.

For their own safety, all foreign nationals

including journalists and inspectors should leave Iraq immediately.

- ( speaking Arabic ) - Bush: Many Iraqis can hear me tonight

in a translated broadcast,

and I have a message for them:

If we must begin a military campaign,

it will be directed against the lawless men

who rule your country and not against you.

Your fate will depend on your actions

and it will be no defense to say,

"I was just following orders."

It is too late for Saddam Hussein to remain in power.

We will tear down the apparatus of terror

and we will help you to build a new Iraq

that is prosperous and free.

I HAVE NEVER EVER IN MY LIFE

THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE THIS. EVER.

( speaking Arabic )

( Hassan Ibrahim speaking Arabic )

( speaks )

( speaks )

( speaks )

Ibrahim: TO FIND NOW, PEOPLE,

YOU KNOW, JUST NORMAL WORKERS, NOR--

INTELLECTUALS, BASICALLY SAYING THAT

SADDAM IS OUR HERO--

THAT SAYS SOMETHING...

THAT AMERICA MANAGED TO--

WELL, THE AMERICAN POLICY AND THE BUSH

MANAGED TO GALVANIZE PEOPLE TOWARDS SADDAM

IN A WAY THAT IS JUST... SO AMAZING.

JUST AMAZING.

( lighter clicks )

( birds chirp )

Khader: MY OWN FEELING IS THAT

THE MESSAGE OF AL JAZEERA IS FIRST OF ALL

EDUCATIONAL, TO EDUCATE THE ARAB MASSES

ON SOMETHING CALLED DEMOCRACY,

RESPECT OF THE OTHER OPINION...

THE FREE DEBATE--

REALLY FREE DEBATE,

NO TABOOS.

NOTHING IS CALLED TABOO.

EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DEALT WITH INTELLIGENTLY

AND... WITH OPENNESS...

AND TO TRY, BY USING ALL THESE THINGS,

TO SHAKE UP THESE RIGID SOCIETIES...

TO AWAKEN THEM, TELL THEM, "WAKE UP, WAKE UP!

THERE IS A WAR AROUND YOU.

SOMETHING IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD.

YOU ARE STILL SLEEPING. WAKE UP."

THIS IS THE MESSAGE OF AL JAZEERA.

( people chattering )

Man: NEXT CUE.

( birds chirping )

( woman speaks Arabic )

( Jasem speaking Arabic )

( speaks )

( chattering in Arabic )

SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT WE'RE TAKING TO BAGHDAD...

WITH US.

SO, THIS IS OUR WORKING GEAR, HUH?

Man: SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO WORK?

BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE GONNA

WEAR ALL THIS, YOU KNOW?

THIS AND CAMERA? I DON'T THINK SO.

( speaking Arabic )

( man speaks )

( cellphone playing tune )

( beeps )

( speaking Arabic )

THANK YOU.

( people chattering )

( speak Arabic )

( both laugh )

Ibrahim: WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE PREPARING FOR,

A CONCERT OR SOMETHING?

CENTCOM BLUES.

( chattering )

Soldier: WE'VE SEEN SOME, UH, MOVEMENT

OF THE REPUBLICAN FORCES SOUTH.

WE'VE BEEN SEEING THAT FOR A WEEK NOW.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SUSPICIOUS SITES THROUGHOUT IRAQ

THAT WE HAVE SENSITIVE SITE EXPLOITATION TEAMS.

( chattering continues )

Man: HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY INFORMATION

ON THE WHEREABOUTS OF SADDAM HUSSEIN

AND THE REGIME LEADERS?

I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC INFORMATION

ON WHERE SADDAM HUSSEIN IS. IF I DID, WE'D--

WE'D GO FIND HIM THERE RIGHT NOW.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU IT'S ABOUT MORE THAN ONE MAN,

IT'S ABOUT MORE THAN 55 MEN.

I MEAN, IT'S ABOUT THE 23 MILLION PEOPLE OF IRAQ

AND BRINGING THEM FREEDOM. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO DO.

RUSHING, THIS IS HASSAN IBRAHIM.

HI. HOW ARE YOU? JOSH RUSHING.

I WAS YOUR COLLEAGUE IN BBC WORLD A LONG TIME AGO.

- YES. A VERY LONG TIME, IN-- IN BUSH HOUSE. - ( laughs ) YES.

- YEAH. HOW ARE YOU? - FINE. HOW ARE YOU?

- ( man speaks English ) - AL JAZEERA.

- ( man speaks ) - ( laughs ) WHY "OF COURSE"?

- Ibrahim: HELLO. - Man #2: HELLO.

( kisses )

( speaks Arabic )

HOW YOU DOING?

Rushing: WE BELIEVE THAT IRAQ HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,

THAT THEY HAD THE WILL TO USE THEM AGAINST US.

- Ibrahim: WHEN? - WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "WHEN"?

WHEN DID THEY USE THEM AGAINST YOU?

THAT THEY HAVE THE WILL TO USE THEM AGAINST US?

WHEN? I MEAN, DO YOU THINK SADD--

WHEN YOU SAY, "SOMEONE HAS THE WILL," THAT'S LIKE SAYING--

I MEAN, SADDAM WILL THREATEN THE U.S.

WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION?

- YES. - WHEN?

THAT'S NEWS TO ME. I'M SORRY.

- THIS IS-- NOW THIS IS NEWS TO ME. - OKAY. OKAY.

WHEN? WHEN DID SADDAM THREATEN THE U.S.

- WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION? - OH, I-- I SEE.

I'M SORRY. I MISUNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION.

WE BELIEVE HE HAD THE WILL

TO GIVE THEM TO FORCES TO USE AGAINST US, AND--

- WELL, GO AHEAD. - I'M JUST CONVEYING TO YOU

WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING. THEY'RE SAYING THAT

THE U.S. IS INVENTING A PURPOSE AS IT GOES ALONG.

IN THE BEGINNING IT WAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,

AND THEN THE WHOLE THING TRANSFORMED

INTO REMOVING SADDAM FROM POWER, SO--

WHY DO THEY THINK WE'RE DOING IT?

WHAT DO THEY THINK OUR MOTIVES ARE?

NO ONE KNOWS. PEOPLE THINK YOU'RE--

- REALLY? - PEOPLE THINK YOU'RE THERE TO BASICALLY...

CONTROL... THE OIL OF IRAQ,

CONTROL THE IRAQI...

FOREIGN... POLITICS,

TO CONTROL THE... REGION.

Rushing: I WON'T BACK DOWN OFF OF MY POINT

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR INTENT IN THIS,

IN WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO-- TO OCCUPY AN ARAB LAND.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO TAKE THEIR OIL.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO--

TO KILL ARABS OR TAKE MOSQUES,

OR ANY OF THE OTHER MYRIAD OF REASONS.

THE AMERICAN MEDIA WERE HIJACKED

BY SOME PEOPLE WITHIN THEIR ADMINISTRATION...

SO AS TO BE USED AS...

A LEVERAGE FOR INDUCING

SOME FEARS WITHIN THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

EVERY TIME HE USED TO ELEVATE

THE LEVEL OF DANGER

FROM YELLOW TO ORANGE

TO... VIOLET OR PURPLE--

I DON'T KNOW WHAT, OKAY?

--SO AS TO MAKE THE AMERICANS ALWAYS FEEL

THAT THEY ARE UNDER SIEGE

AND THERE IS A THREAT. AND THIS THREAT...

WAS REPRESENTED BY SADDAM HUSSEIN AND IRAQ.

"THIS GUY...

COULD DEVELOP WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION

AND GIVE THEM TO OSAMA BIN LADEN TO ATTACK US."

SO, WHEN-- WHEN Y--

A POLLING... INSTITUTE COMES TO YOU,

"DO YOU FEEL THREATENED?"

YOU WANT TO SAY, "YES, OF COURSE I FEEL THREATENED."

"DO YOU KNOW THAT THIS THREAT COMES

FROM A GUY CALLED SADDAM HUSSEIN?"

"HUH? IS IT?

SO NUKE HIM!"

( explosions )

( distant gunfire )

( chattering in Arabic )

( explosion and gunfire continue )

( speaking Arabic over monitor )

( Imad speaks )

( people shouting )

( man speaks )

( man #2 speaks Arabic over radio )

- ( laughs ) GOOD. - ( chattering )

BAGHDAD.

( speaks Arabic )

Imad: OKAY.

FADE.

Ibrahim: YES, THEY FAILED TO GET SADDAM.

SEE, WHAT THEY WERE HOPING FOR

IS 40 CRUISE MISSILES FALLING ON BAGHDAD,

THEN 400 PARATROOPERS

GOING IN AND FINISHING THE JOB.

WELL, THAT FAILED.

( explosions )

( man speaking Arabic on TV )

THEY BOMBED THIS... PLACE IN NORTHERN IRAQ.

- SMASHED COMPLETELY. - Ibrahim: PULVERIZED.

DEAD BODIES EN MASSE. I MEAN, WHY?

Man: WE GOT THE PICTURES AND WE SHOW THEM.

- BUT WE GET-- - Ibrahim: OF COURSE WE'LL GET--

WE'LL GET GRIEF FROM THE AMERICANS

FOR SHOWING THESE PICTURES BECAUSE,

WELL, I GUESS WE'LL BE INCITING REBELLION,

AND IT WOULD BE BASICALLY INSTIGATING ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENTS.

I MEAN, I'M SO SORRY.

THEY CAN'T HAVE THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT.

I MEAN, YEAH, OKAY,

YOU ARE THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH.

I AGREE.

YOU CAN DEFEAT EVERYBODY. I AGREE.

YOU CAN CRUSH EVERYBODY. I AGREE.

BUT DON'T ASK US... TO LOVE IT AS WELL.

( laughs )

THE QUESTION IS, WHO'S GOING TO STOP IT?

OR TO STOP THE UNITED STATES?

- WHO'S GOING TO DO THAT? - Ibrahim: THE UNITED STATES.

YOU NEED A NEW-- NEW GROUP.

- YOU NEED A POWERFUL GROUP. - THE UNITED STATES IS GOING TO STOP

THE UNITED STATES.

I HAVE ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.

AND I HAVE ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE

IN THE ABILITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

THE UNITED STATES PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STOP

THE UNITED STATES EMPIRE.

- Man: MAKE WAY. COME ON. - Woman: YOU GUYS GOTTA MAKE WAY. COME ON.

MAKE WAY. MAKE WAY. MAKE WAY. MAKE WAY.

( cameras clicking )

Brigadier General Vincent Brooks: CIVILIAN CASUALTIES ARE BEING REPORTED

ON THE BATTLEFIELD THROUGH A NUMBER OF SOURCES.

WE REGRET THE LOSS OF ANY CIVILIANS

ON THE BATTLEFIELD, AND WE HAVE DONE

ALL THAT WE CAN REASONABLY DO

TO PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING

EITHER FROM THE AIR OR ON THE GROUND.

BUT WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN THAT THERE HAVE BEEN CIVILIANS KILLED

IN THIS OPERATION BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS TAKEN BY THE REGIME--

TO PUT THEM OUT IN FRONT, TO HIDE BEHIND 'EM,

TO USE PREGNANT WOMEN TO BLOW UP CARS AT CHECKPOINTS.

WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN ON THE BATTLEFIELD.

THOSE ARE NOT BEING INVESTIGATED BY US AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

THANKS VERY MUCH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. HAVE A GOOD DAY.

( quiet chattering )

( keyboard clicking )

HERE IS... COMMAND HEADQUARTERS,

WHICH YOU CALL-- WHAT'S YOUR LITTLE PHRASE?

- CENTRAL COMMAND? CENTCOM? - YEAH, BUT DON'T YOU HAVE A SHORT VERSION?

- CENTCOM NEWS DESK? - SITCOM. RIGHT, OKAY.

- Man: THESE ARE OUR OFFICES. - CENTCOM.

- Schleifer: HUH? SPELL IT? - IT'S C-E-N-T-C-O-M.

Schleifer: C-E-N-T-- YEAH, IT SOUNDS TOO MUCH LIKE "SITCOM."

- ( laughs ) - Schleifer: YOU GOTTA BE CAREFUL.

- "CENTCOM"... - UH-HUH.

"...WITH U.S. ARMY AND STATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN..."

- RIGHT? - Rushing: MM-HMM.

Rushing: I'VE GONE LIVE ON AL JAZEERA,

AND THEIR QUESTIONS WERE...

EXTREMELY COMBATIVE.

THEY ARE BIASED TOWARD SADDAM'S REGIME.

I WILL GIVE YOU ONE EXAMPLE.

WHEN THEY CUT AWAY TO COMMERCIAL,

THEY HAVE A-- PROBABLY A 30- TO 60-SECOND MONTAGE

- OF VIDEO THAT PLAYS. - Schleifer: YEAH, A PROMO VIDEO.

- Rushing: IT IS AMERICAN WAR PLANES... - Schleifer: A PROMO MONTAGE.

...AMERICAN BOMBS EXPLODING,

AMERICAN TANKS GOING ACROSS THE DESERT,

AND THEN A-- A BABY CHILD

WITH BANDAGES ON HER HEAD, CRYING.

AND IT NEVER SHOWS IRAQI TROOPS.

YOU DON'T SEE AMERICAN TROOPS TREATING A WOUNDED P.O.W.

NO. YOU DON'T SEE IRAQI TROOPS, YOU KNOW,

TAKING HOSTAGE FAMILIES, FORCING PEOPLE TO FIGHT

- OR FIRING ON THEIR OWN. - Schleifer: NOBODY HAS THOSE PICTURES.

THAT BRINGS US BACK TO MY FIRST POINT.

NOBODY HAS THOSE PICTURES. WE, AS AMERICANS,

GIVEN ALL THE HISTORIC, PSYCHOLOGICAL,

POLITICAL PROBLEMS, VIS-A-VIS THE ARAB RELATIONS,

HAVE TO WORK A LITTLE HARDER.

AND, I REPEAT, EVERY ONE OF THESE DAMAGING ASSERTIONS--

AND I HAVE NO REASON TO DISBELIEVE THEM,

BECAUSE THEY CERTAINLY-- THERE'S NO REASON WHY

SADDAM HUSSEIN AND THE BA'ATHIST REGIME ISN'T DOING IT,

- MM-HMM. - ISN'T USING HUMAN SHIELDS.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE DON'T HAVE THE PICTURE OF IT.

THAT'S WHY PICTURES OF THESE THINGS ARE SO DESPERATE.

( chattering on monitor )

Ibrahim: THAT CHILD WAS BASICALLY

ANOTHER IRAQI WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

- ( keyboard clicks ) - ( missile whooshes )

Ibrahim: WOW.

DEMOCRACY.

( man speaks Arabic on monitor )

- ( chattering ) - THIS ONE. IT'S THIS ONE. THIS ONE. GET IN THERE.

- GET ON THE FUCKING FLOOR! - ( gunshot )

GET ON THE FUCKING FLOOR! GET ON THE FUCKING FLOOR!

( shouts )

( grunts )

- FACE FUCKING FRONT!

- ARE YOU SUBDUING OR ARE YOU GONNA KILL US NOW?

- FACE THE FUCKING FRONT!

( people shouting )

- ( woman speaks Arabic ) - ( man speaking Arabic )

SO, HERE'S MY POINT. THIS GUY, SADDAM, IS PROBABLY

- THE BIGGEST THREAT TO ARAB MUSLIMS... - Schleifer: MM-HMM.

- ...THAT EXISTS ON THE PLANET TODAY. - Schleifer: RIGHT.

HE'S PROBABLY KILLED MORE MUSLIMS

- THAN ANYONE ON THE PLANET. - NO QUESTION, YEAH.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, SO...

AL JAZEERA SHOULD BE REPORTING HIM AS THAT,

RATHER THAN PROTECTING HIM AS THAT,

BECAUSE I THINK THEY OWE IT TO THEIR AUDIENCE...

- RIGHT. - ...TO SAY, "THIS IS A THREAT.

THIS IS A BAD GUY." IF THE MUSLIM WORLD DOESN'T KNOW IT,

THAT'S 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT REPORTING IT.

I THINK THEY'RE THAT UBIQUITOUS

IN-IN-IN THE MUSLIM WORLD.

THESE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE WORLD--

BUT PARTICULARLY ARABS, WHO WE ALWAYS EMPATHIZE WITH--

HAVE BEEN WATCHING ISRAELI TROOPS,

ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST YEAR,

CRASHING INTO CIVILIAN DISTRICTS, OKAY,

IN GAZA, IN THE WEST BANK.

SO WHAT THEY SAW WAS AN ISRAELI ARMY,

WHICH IS HIGHLY TECHNOLOGICAL, RIGHT?

AND THE OFFICERS ARE ALL EUROPEAN-LOOKING--

YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU LOOK, LIKE I LOOK.

AND THESE IMAGES, UNFORTUNATELY,

IN THE PSYCHE-- IN THE ARAB PSYCHE

ARE MINGLING NOW, AND THE ISRAELI SOLDIER

AND THE AMERICAN SOLDIER BECOME ONE IMAGE.

AND THE PALESTINIAN CIVILIANS WHO ARE BEING BRUTALIZED

SOMEHOW BLEND INTO THE IMAGE OF THIS COLLATERAL DAMAGE,

OR ACCIDENTAL BOMBINGS.

AND IT ALL BECOMES ONE IMAGE, AND THAT'S DISASTER...

FOR THE AMERICAN SIDE OF IT IN THE--

IN THE ARAB PERCEPTION.

( man shouting on P.A. in Arabic )

( crowd repeating )

( man shouting )

( crowd repeating )

( man shouting )

( crowd repeating )

( man shouting )

( crowd repeating )

( shouting continues )

( speaking Arabic )

WE KNOW THAT AL JAZEERA

HAS A PATTERN OF PLAYING PROPAGANDA

OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

WHAT THEY DO IS-- IS, WHEN THERE'S A BOMB GOES DOWN,

THEY-- THEY GRAB SOME CHILDREN AND SOME WOMEN

AND PRETEND THAT THE BOMB HIT THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S UP TO ALL OF US

TO TRY TO TELL THE TRUTH, TO SAY WHAT WE KNOW,

TO SAY WHAT WE DON'T KNOW,

AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE DEALING

WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE PERFECTLY WILLING TO...

TO LIE TO THE WORLD

TO ATTEMPT TO FURTHER THEIR CASE.

AND TO THE EXTENT PEOPLE LIE,

ULTIMATELY, THEY ARE CAUGHT LYING

AND THEY LOSE THEIR CREDIBILITY.

AND ONE WOULD THINK IT WOULDN'T TAKE VERY LONG

FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, DEALING WITH PEOPLE LIKE THIS.

- Man: HOW ABOUT THE FOOTAGE OF THE CHILDREN-- - Rumsfeld: THANK YOU.

( mumbles weakly )

WE WANTED TO SHOW

THAT ANY WAR HAS A HUMAN COST.

OKAY?

WE FOCUSED ON THAT.

THERE IS A HUMAN COST.

BECAUSE WE CARE FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE.

WE ARE NOT LIKE RUMSFELD WHO SAYS,

"WE CARE FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE."

HE DOESN'T CARE AT ALL.

OKAY? WE CARE FOR THEM.

WE ARE ARABS LIKE THEM. WE ARE MUSLIMS LIKE THEM.

YOUR HEART CAN BE WITH YOUR PEOPLE.

YOUR SOUL CAN BE WITH YOUR PEOPLE.

BUT AS A JOURNALIST,

YOUR PRIMARY DUTY IS TO GET INFORMATION.

- ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. - OTHERWISE YOU WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE.

YOU'D BE A SOLDIER OR A DIPLOMAT.

I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY PROFESSIONALISM.

I-- OKAY. I AM REPRESENTING MY STATION,

BUT I AM ALSO REPRESENTING MY PEOPLE.

YOU WANNA HELP YOUR PEOPLE? GET INFORMATION FOR YOUR PEOPLE.

GET NEWS FOR YOUR PEOPLE. YEAH, AND DON'T--

HE'S A NICE GUY, THE LIEUTENANT, YOU KNOW?

GO TO HIM, SAY, "I'D REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF YOU COULD"--

YOU COULD INTERVIEW HIM. HE'LL GET ON CAMERA IN FRONT OF YOU.

YOU KNOW, BUT JUST DON'T BE COMBATIVE. THAT'S ALL. SMILE.

- AND-AND-AND BE FRIENDLY. - BUT WE ARE FACING WAR HERE.

I KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE--

YEAH, BUT YOU WERE ADVISING ME TO SMILE.

- WELL, YES, BUT I MEANT-- - HOW? HOW COULD I--

NO, I DON'T REALLY MEAN THAT. I DIDN'T REALLY--

HOW COULD I SMILE WHILE MY PEOPLE ARE BEING KILLED IN IRAQ? YOU KNOW?

- ( explosions ) - ( gunfire )

( gun cocks )

( honking )

- ( sirens blaring ) - ( people speaking Arabic )

- ( engines whirring down ) - ( applause )

Bush: I WAS TOLD EARLY THIS MORNING

THAT PERHAPS OUR TROOPS WERE CAPTURED.

AND IF THERE IS SOMEBODY CAPTURED,

I EXPECT THOSE PEOPLE TO BE TREATED HUMANELY.

- BILL AND THEN MIKE. - Bill: IRAQI TV HAS SHOWN

WHAT APPEAR TO BE AMERICAN P.O.W.s

AND ALSO WHAT APPEAR TO BE AMERICAN DEAD.

I EXPECT THEM TO BE TREATED--

THE POWS I EXPECT TO BE TREATED HUMANELY.

AND...

JUST LIKE WE'RE TREATING...

THE PRISONERS THAT WE HAVE CAPTURED HUMANELY.

I don't understand.

- Yes? - I don't understand.

Man: From where you came from? America?

- From Kansas. - Man #2: Please please.

Why do you come?

'Cause I was told to come here.

I just follow orders.

Man #2: You come to kill-- to kill Iraqi people?

No, I come to fix broke stuff.

I-I told to shoot only if I'm shot at.

And they shot at me first, so I shoot back.

- I know-- I don't want to kill anybody. - ( chattering )

Uh, what's your name?

Specialist Joseph Hudson, 585650287.

Where do you come from?

Comin' from El Paso, Texas.

( speaks Arabic )

- Say again? - Uh...

why do you come from Texas to Iraq?

- I-- - ( speaks Arabic )

I follow orders.

( man speaks Arabic ) What's your name?

- Edgar. - ( chattering in background )

- What's your name? - Edgar.

- ( chattering ) - Say, "Name is Edgar and my country"--

My name is Edgar from United States.

( men speaking Arabic )

My name-- my name is Edgar from the United States.

- Man #2: What's your name? - Man #3: What's your name?

Sergeant James Riley.

Where are do you come from?

- Texas. - You come from Texas?

- Yes. - How ol-- how old are you?

Woman: 30.

- Man: Yes? - Woman: 30.

Man: 30. ( speaks Arabic )

( speaking Arabic )

Ibrahim: OH, THAT'S-- ( laughs )

THAT'S CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.

RUMSFELD IS SAYING PARADING THE FOOTAGE OF THE CAPTIVES

IS A VIOLATION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION.

WHAT DO YOU CALL GUANTANAMO BAY?

WHAT DO YOU CALL THE IRAQI SOLDIERS

PARADING YESTERDAY ON AMERICAN TELEVISION?

WHAT DO YOU CALL BOMBING A CITY WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION

FROM THE U.N. COUN-- SECURITY COUNCIL?

NOW THERE'S A GENEVA CONVENTION?

THE DECISION BY AL JAZEERA

TO BROADCAST SUCH MATERIAL

IS DEPLORABLE,

AND WE CALL ON THEM

TO DESIST FROM FUTURE BROADCASTS

OF SUCH A NATURE.

ARE WE SURE ABOUT THIS NEWS? ARE WE SURE?

OKAY.

THERE'S A LOT OF PRESSURE, OBVIOUSLY, ON AL JAZEERA

TO WITHDRAW THOSE PICTURES.

WERE YOU SURPRISED BY THE REACTION TO THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS?

I THINK... THEY WERE UNDERSTANDABLE.

THE REACTIONS DIDN'T REALLY SURPRISE ME.

IF YOU'RE AN AMERICAN AND YOU'RE SEEING DEAD AMERICANS,

OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT YOU

AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE AN EMOTIONAL REACTION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, LET THE PEOPLE...

UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A WAR AND PEOPLE ARE DYING.

IT'S NOT A CLEAN WAR. IT'S A VERY MESSY WAR.

IT WILL CONTINUE TO GET MESSIER.

YOUR JOURNALISTS HAVE--

HAVE A POSITION ON THE WAR.

ARE THEY CAPABLE OF BEING OBJECTIVE?

THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION, BUT I ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION BY ASKING THE QUESTION.

ARE ANY U.S. JOURNALISTS...

OBJECTIVE ABOUT THIS WAR?

ARE ANY OF THE NEWS BROADCASTS THAT I TUNE INTO

NOT TAKING A POSITION ON THE WAR?

- AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY-- - DOES THAT JUSTIFY YOUR POSITION THEN?

NO, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW

THAT THIS WORD, "OBJECTIVITY,"

IS ALMOST... A MIRAGE.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN THE STATES--

I MEAN, THE AMOUNT OF RAGE DIRECTED AGAINST US

BECAUSE WE SHOWED SOLDIERS WHO HAD DIED IN COMBAT

OR IN AN AMBUSH-- THEY WERE SOLDIERS

WHO HAD DIED IN A WAR ZONE.

THERE WAS RAGE DIRECTED AGAINST US.

IF THERE WAS NO AGENDA, IF THERE WAS NO--

IF THERE WAS TRUE NEUTRALITY,

THERE WOULD BE A WELCOMING

OF ANY AND ALL INFORMATION FROM ALL SIDES.

THE NIGHT THEY SHOWED

THE P.O.W.s AND THE DEAD SOLDIERS--

AL JAZEERA SHOWED 'EM-- IT WAS POWERFUL,

'CAUSE AMERICA DOESN'T SHOW THOSE KIND OF IMAGES.

MOST OF THE NEWS IN AMERICA WON'T SHOW REALLY GORY IMAGES,

AND THIS SHOWED AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN UNIFORM

STREWN ABOUT A FLOOR-- A COLD TILE FLOOR,

AND IT WAS... REVOLTING.

IT WAS ABSOLUTELY REVOLTING.

IT MADE ME SICK IN MY STOMACH.

AND THEN WHAT HIT ME WAS, THE NIGHT BEFORE

THERE HAD BEEN SOME KIND OF BOMBING IN BASRA.

AND AL JAZEERA HAD SHOWN

IMAGES OF THE PEOPLE,

AND THEY WERE EQUALLY,

IF NOT MORE, HORRIFYING IMAGES.

AND I REMEMBER HAVING SEEN IT

IN THE AL JAZEERA OFFICES AND THOUGHT TO MYSELF,

"WOW. THAT-THAT-THAT'S-- THAT'S GROSS.

THAT-THAT-THAT'S-- THAT'S BAD."

AND THEN GOIN' AWAY AND PROBABLY EATING DINNER OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T AFFECT ME AS MUCH.

SO THE IMPACT THAT HAD ON ME,

ME REALIZING THAT...

I-I JUST SAW PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE,

AND THOSE AL JA-- PEOPLE IN THE AL JAZEERA OFFICE

MUST'VE FELT THE WAY I WAS FEELING THAT NIGHT.

AND IT UPSET ME ON A PROFOUND LEVEL

THAT I WASN'T AS BOTHERED AS MUCH THE NIGHT BEFORE.

IT-IT MAKES ME HATE WAR,

BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ME BELIEVE THAT WE'RE IN A WORLD

THAT CAN LIVE WITHOUT WAR YET.

( explosion )

( dramatic music playing )

( woman speaking Arabic on TV )

Day by day, the Iraqi people are closer to freedom.

( cheers, applause )

( speaking Arabic )

( Ibrahim speaks )

( Saeed speaking )

( Ibrahim speaks )

( Saeed speaking )

( speaks Arabic )

( man speaks Arabic )

( Saeed speaking )

( man #2 speaking )

( news theme music playing )

( speaking Arabic )

( man speaks Arabic ) CUT.

THANK YOU. WELL DONE. GOOD JOB.

( people chatter )

AL JAZEERA HAS BEEN CRITICAL,

BUT, AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'VE BEEN QUITE OPEN TO US,

INVITING THE U.S. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS

TO SPEAK DIRECTLY ON THEIR CHANNEL

AND EXPRESS THE AMERICAN POINT OF VIEW.

AND, UH, THAT'S GOOD. WHILE WE MAY DISAGREE

WITH CERTAIN EDITORIAL POLICIES THAT THEY FOLLOW,

WE DO HAVE RESPECT FOR THEM AS AN INSTITUTION

THAT HAS WIDE REACH IN THE ARAB WORLD.

AND... AS SUCH,

WE FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE THEIR POINTS OF VIEW

AND THE POINTS OF VIEW OF SOME OF THEIR GUESTS

BALANCED BY OUR OWN POINTS OF VIEW.

( people chattering )

( speaking Arabic )

( speaking Arabic )

- Man on TV: What do you think? - Uh, this war,

American and British people lose the war.

- Man: Will lose the war? Why? - Yeah. You lose the war.

- Man: Why? - Why? Because Iraqi have--

THESE ARE THE SHI'A OF SOUTHERN IRAQ

WHO ARE RECEIVING THE AMERICANS WITH FLOWERS.

...uhh, forces. You lose the wars.

( man speaking Arabic on TV )

WE'RE NOW WATCHING AL JAZEERA,

AND, UH, I CAN TELL...

WHAT-- WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING,

AND THEN I CAN TELL WHAT THEY'RE NOT SHOWING...

BY-BY CHOICE.

SAME THING WHEN I WATCH FOX

ON THE OTHER END OF THE SPECTRUM.

I KNOW WHICH OF THE STORIES THAT WE PUT OUT THAT THEY'RE PICKING UP ON

AND WHICH ONES THEY'RE NOT GIVING MUCH BOUNCE.

IT BENEFITS AL JAZEERA TO PLAY

TO ARAB NATIONALISM, BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR AUDIENCE,

JUST LIKE FOX PLAYS TO AMERICAN PATRIOTISM

FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON-- AMERICAN NATIONALISM--

BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR DEMOGRAPHIC AUDIENCE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA SEE.

THE PART THAT DISAPPOINTS ME IS THAT ARAB NATIONALISM

HAS TO INCLUDE THE ANTI-AMERICANISM.

- HI. - Ibrahim: HOW ARE YOU?

( chattering in Arabic )

THE ISRAELIS AND THE UNITED STATES

ARE TRYING TO CHANGE

EVERYTHING IN THIS AREA

IN ORDER TO SUIT THE PRESIDENT OF ISRAEL...

- AND IT, YOU KNOW? - Ibrahim: SEE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE MIDDLE EAST--

EVERYTHING IS AN ISRAELI... CONSPIRACY.

EVERYTHING.

IF A WATER PIPE BREAKS IN THE CENTER OF DAMASCUS,

IT WILL BE BLAMED ON THE ISRAELIS

- INSTEAD OF BLAMING IT ON OUR INCOMPETENCE. - ( laughter )

AND DON'T TELL ME IT'S AMERICANIZATION.

I MEAN, YEAH, AMERICA IS DOMINATING,

BUT THE REST OF THE WORLD IS NOT CASTRATED.

PEOPLE ARE AGAINST THIS WAR,

AND PEOPLE ARE RESISTING.

AND PEOPLE MATTER.

I HOPE EVERYBODY IN THE WORLD

WILL GET THE AMERICAN PASSPORT ONE DAY

SO THIS WORLD WILL BE QUIET. GOD.

Ibrahim: THIS IS A DEFEATIST ATTITUDE.

EVENTUALLY, YOU WILL HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE BOMBING PEOPLE INTO SUBMISSION.

"DEMOCRATIZE, OR I'LL SHOOT YOU." MMM.

IT JUST DOESN'T-- DOESN'T WORK THIS WAY.

- ( gunfire ) - Man: GO!

( men shouting )

( birds chirp )

( distant chattering )

( speaks Arabic )

( Khader speaks )

( speaks )

( speaks )

JEFFREY... ( speaks )

- Khader: Steinberg? - YEAH, JEFFREY "STENBERG."

- Man: HI. - HOW ARE YOU?

- JEFFREY "STENBERG." - ( speaks )

( man #2 shouting in Arabic )

- JEFFREY "STENBERG." - JEFFREY STEINBERG.

- STEINBERG. - JEFFREY STEINBERG.

AND WE HAVE FROM WASHINGTON...

MR. JEFFREY STEINBERG, THE POLITICAL ANALYST.

MR. STEINBERG, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE AMERICANS

WANT TO STAY, MILITARILY, IN IRAQ?

( speaking Arabic )

MR. JEFFREY STEINBERG FROM WASHINGTON,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US LIVE ON OUR PROGRAM.

- ( clicks ) - THAT'S IT.

I DON'T THINK HE WAS THE RIGHT GUEST.

I HAVE TO TALK TO OUR INTERVIEW PRODUCER

TO TELL HIM THAT, UH, THIS WAS A VERY BAD CHOICE.

( people chattering )

- ( Khader speaks Arabic ) - ( producer speaks Arabic )

( Khader speaks )

( producer speaks )

( Khader speaks )

( Khader speaks )

( birds chirping )

Khader: BUSINESS AS USUAL.

IRAQ... AND THEN IRAQ,

AND THEN IRAQ.

BUT, BETWEEN US,

IF I'M OFFERED A JOB WITH FOX, I WILL TAKE IT.

TO CHANGE THE ARAB NIGHTMARE INTO AMERICAN DREAM.

( mugs clacking )

I STILL HAVE THAT DREAM.

MAYBE I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO DO IT,

BUT... I HAVE PLANS FOR MY CHILDREN.

WHEN THEY FINISH THEIR HIGH SCHOOL,

I WILL SEND THEM TO AMERICA TO STUDY THERE.

I WILL PAY FOR THEIR STUDY,

AND THEY WILL STAY THERE.

( people chattering )

Rushing: I REALLY THINK THE BIG THING FOR MY GENERATION

IS FOR THESE TWO PERSPECTIVES--

MY PERSPECTIVE, THE WESTERN PERSPECTIVE, AND THE ARAB PERSPECTIVE--

- TO UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER BETTER. - Woman: MM-HMM, MM-HMM.

IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REACH OUT

TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR PERSPECTIVE,

- AND I HOPE THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY... - RIGHT.

...THAT THEY NEED TO REACH OUT

- AND UNDERSTAND OUR PERSPECTIVE. - MM-HMM.

BECAUSE, TRULY, THE TWO WORLDS

ARE COLLIDING AT A RAPID RATE RIGHT NOW.

AL JAZEERA, THEY'VE GOT THE BEST FOOD.

BEST FOOD, AL JAZEERA. THEY'RE ALSO THE NICEST GUYS.

I'M SO THANKFUL, BECAUSE I'M NOT A GIRL.

YOU KNOW WHY? 'CAUSE I'D FALL IN LOVE WITH HIM DIRECTLY.

ALL RIGHT, JOHNNY. ALL RIGHT.

- ( laughs, speaks Arabic ) - HE'S SO KIND.

( speaks Arabic ) THAT'S EMBARRASSING.

I'VE MET SO MANY GREAT ARABS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

I'VE BEEN TRYING TO LEARN ARABIC

AND THEY'VE BEEN HELPING ME. IT'S REALLY BEEN FUN.

YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME SEE US IN OUR WORKSPACE, IF YOU LIKE.

- Woman: OKAY. - IT'S VERY SMALL.

I RESPECTED AL JAZEERA IN THE SENSE

THAT THEY WERE CERTAINLY DOING SOMETHING

THAT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE IN THE ARAB WORLD,

AND THEY WERE REACHING A LOT OF VIEWERS,

AND THEY WERE RUFFLING A LOT OF FEATHERS,

WHICH IS A GREAT PART OF JOURNALISM.

A LARGE PART OF WHAT AL JAZEERA IS STRUGGLING WITH IS HOW,

WHEN THERE ISN'T A LONG TRADITION OF BEING INDEPENDENT

AND BEING ABLE TO SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT

IN ANY ONE OF THESE SORT OF KINGDOMS,

HOW DO YOU ESTABLISH THAT NOW?

WE'VE GOT 200 YEARS OF BEING ABLE TO BUILD ON THAT IN OUR COUNTRY,

AND I THINK THAT HELPS JOURNALISM.

GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

COALITION GOVERNMENTS HAVE IDENTIFIED

A LIST OF KEY REGIME LEADERS

WHO MUST BE PURSUED AND BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.

THIS LIST HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO COALITION FORCES

ON THE GROUND IN SEVERAL FORMS

- TO EASE IDENTIFICATION... - ( cameras clicking )

...WHEN CONTACT DOES OCCUR.

AND THIS DECK OF CARDS IS ONE EXAMPLE

OF WHAT WE PROVIDE TO SOLDIERS OUT--

SOLDIERS AND MARINES OUT IN THE FIELD,

WITH THE FACES OF THE INDIVIDUALS

AND WHAT THEIR ROLE IS.

IN THE BACK THERE, PLEASE

Man: UM, YOUR DECK OF 55 MOST WANTED...

DOES THAT INCLUDE THE FORMER INFORMATION MINISTER?

BECAUSE EVERY PACK NEEDS A JOKER.

- ( laughter ) - Brooks: WELL SAID, JEFF. WELL SAID.

I WAS WONDERING IF WE CAN GET COPIES

OF THESE... CARDS

AS A PART OF THE PRESS PACK THAT WE NEVER GOT

AT THE MEDIA CENTER HERE. THANK YOU.

OKAY, CARD PACKS ARE FOCUSED TO GO ELSEWHERE.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO DISTRIBUTE HERE,

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE 'EM AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO THAT.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANKS VERY MUCH.

Aide: THIS ARGUMENT HAS GONE IN THERE.

WE'VE JUST SPENT THE LAST 10 MINUTES TALKING WITH THE GENERAL,

AND HE'S NOT GIVIN' UP THE PACK.

Man: IF YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE PACK,

COULD WE JUST HAVE THEM MOUNTED ON A BOARD,

JUST PUT THEM ON THE WALL, THEN WE CAN JUST--

WE CAN ALL JUST HAVE A LOOK THEN?

WE'VE HAD THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE LAST 10 MINUTES.

CAN WE NOT JUST BORROW IT FOR HALF AN HOUR AND TAKE PICTURES?

OKAY, I KNOW HOW TO SAY "NO" IN SEVERAL LANGUAGES.

I CAN JUST KEEP REPEATING IT. SO, THAT'S WHERE WE STAND.

OKAY, BUT THAT IS...

UNBELIEVABLY INEPT TO DO THAT.

- TO DO THAT. - Aide: I'LL BE SURE TO CONVEY YOUR THOUGHTS TO HIM.

WELL, DO. THIS ISN'T JUST A MILITARY OPERATION.

IT'S A MEDIA OPERATION.

AND THAT IS AN INCREDIBLY INEPT THING TO DO,

TO OFFER THAT UP AND THEN NOT HAVE THEM AVAILABLE.

IT IS UNBELIEVABLY INEPT.

Aide: YOU FEEL THAT YOU'RE MORE IMPORTANT...

NO, IT'S NOT MORE IMPORTANT. IT'S THE FACT THAT--

Aide: NO, YOU JUST SAID IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT,

AND IT'S NOT. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT--

I'M SORRY, MADAM. IT'S COMMON SENSE TO HAVE TWO PACKS.

YOU PUT ONE ON A WALL. IT'S COMMON SENSE.

WELL, THE NEXT TIME I RUN A WAR, I'LL REMEMBER THAT.

CAN WE NOT-- HE'S GONE WITH HIS PACK OF CARDS.

- HE WON'T GIVE 'EM UP. - ( laughter )

WE'RE NOT HERE TO GIVE... COVERAGE TO THE PRESS.

WE'RE HERE TO LIBERATE THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ.

SO ALTHOUGH YOU MAY NOT BE SEEING A BLOW-BY-BLOW ACCOUNT

OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, REST ASSURED,

WE'RE ON OUR MISSION AND WE'RE COMPLETING OUR GOALS.

( chattering )

Tom Mintier: NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO TOUCH THEM OR SEE THEM AGAIN.

ALL RIGHT. BYE.

THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF I HAD THE DECK OF CARDS,

OR IF I COULD GET THEM.

SURE. ( chuckles )

IF I HAD THEM, I WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE TALKING TO YOU.

- ( woman chuckles ) - NO, I MEAN,

THAT THING AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY--

HE HOLDS UP THIS DECK OF CARDS,

"THESE ARE THE 55 MEMBERS OF THE REGIME

THAT WE WANT DEAD OR ALIVE."

GONE.

- ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO THIS. - ( chattering )

SPECIFICALLY, HOW THIS THING THAT GENERAL BROOKS MENTIONED

RIGHT OUTTA THE GATE TODAY-- EVIDENCE, AS YOU MENTIONED...

Mintier: I SAID, "COULD I HAVE THEM FOR AN HOUR?" HE SAID NO.

NOW, THEY'VE SHOWN US THE CARDS BY HOLDING THEM UP IN THE BRIEFING,

BUT BEYOND THAT ARE NOT REALLY WILLING TO RELEASE THEM JUST QUITE YET.

WE HAVEN'T... GOTTEN, ACTUALLY,

TO LOOK AT THE CARDS UP CLOSE YET.

ONE QUESTION IT RAISES WAS

"WHO'S GONNA BE THE JOKER IN THE PACK?"

THEY SAY THE LIST INCLUDES ALL OF THE REGIME'S TOP LEADERS AND MANY MORE.

( chattering )

( gunfire )

( men shouting )

( people chattering on TV )

- ( man speaks Arabic ) - ( keyboard clicking )

( man #2 speaks Arabic )

( man speaks Arabic ) CHANGE.

( chattering continues )

RUN, FIVE, RUN. COUNT.

383 FROM BEGINNING AND STANDBY, PLEASE.

( speaking Arabic )

MAJOR, WHAT IS THE SITUATION NOW IN BAGHDAD?

We are operating in and around the city of Baghdad,

and that we have had special forces on the ground

in and out of the city of Baghdad for some time now.

- THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. - Thank you, sir.

( man speaking Arabic on TV )

( cellphone playing tune )

- HEY, BABE! - Ibrahim: Hi.

- HOW ARE YOU? - Fine.

SO WHAT ABOUT THESE PICTURES OF TANKS GOING INTO BAGHDAD

AND PEOPLE WAVING AND SMILING AT THEM. WHAT'S ALL THAT ABOUT?

( Ibrahim speaks English )

YEAH.

GOSH. OKAY, WHEN DO YOU FINISH YOUR SHIFT TODAY?

- 9:00. - 9:00 TONIGHT? OH.

OKAY, BUBBY.

( speaking Arabic )

( chattering )

- Man: HEY. - HI. HOW ARE YOU?

- FINE, THANK YOU. - GOOD.

SO, HOW'S EVERYTHING GOING?

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

YOU SAID SOMETHING. IRAQ SAID SOMETHING.

WHAT'S HAPPENED? WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

THE OPERATION CONTINUES, YOU KNOW?

WE ARE-- WE ARE IN BAGHDAD.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WANT TO--

WHAT'S MEANING EXACTLY "IN BAGHDAD"?

RIGHT NOW-- RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T POINT OUT ON A MAP,

BECAUSE... THAT WOULD LET YOU KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY IS.

BUT WE'LL SEE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

DID THEY TELL YOU WHAT WOULD BE

- AT THIS PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY? - YES.

THEY DID? THEY CAME BY? OKAY.

IT'S JESSICA LYNCH.

( man speaks )

JESSICA LYNCH. THE RESCUE MISSION.

YOU REMEMBER THE GIRL THAT WE RESCUED?

- Man #2: YES YES YES. - THEY'RE GOING--

YES, THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU MORE

ABOUT HER TODAY.

- Man #2: BUT WE NEED-- - Man: BAGHDAD.

Man #2: WE NEED TO KNOW MORE DETAILS ON WHAT'S GOING ON...

- IN BAGHDAD, YES. - BAGHDAD. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT...

I KNOW. I KNOW. HE WILL TRY TO DO HIS BEST.

- Man #2: JESSICA IS-- - I KNOW. OKAY. ( laughs )

Major General Victor Renuart: IN THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE

WITH PRIVATE LYNCH-- AS YOU KNOW, ON ABOUT THE 23rd OF MARCH,

HER 507th MAINTENANCE COMPANY WAS AMBUSHED.

A NUMBER OF THE MEMBERS OF THAT MAINTENANCE COMPANY WERE KILLED,

A NUMBER CAPTURED

AND A NUMBER WERE UNACCOUNTED FOR, SHE BEING ONE OF THEM.

Mintier: I WAS A BIT UPSET THAT THEY SPENT SO MUCH TIME

GIVING US ALL OF THE MINUTE-BY-MINUTE--

"THIS HAPPENED, SHE SAID THIS, WE SAID THAT.

THIS WAS OUR OBJECTIVE."

AND ON A DAY WHEN YOU HAVE FORCES GOING INTO BAGHDAD.

WASN'T PART OF THE REGULAR BRIEFING.

I CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY BETTER ANSWER THAN THAT.

I'M PRETTY COMFORTABLE I KNOW WHERE THOSE GUYS WERE.

BEYOND THAT, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT THERE. GOOD TRY, THOUGH.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S AN EFFORT

TO MANAGE THE NEWS

IN AN UNMANAGEABLE SITUATION.

THEY TRIED IT IN THE FIRST GULF WAR.

THIS TIME IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL

ABOUT JESSICA LYNCH.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS ABOUT HER.

THEY BURIED THE LEAD, AND THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT IT.

- Rushing: HI. HOW ARE YOU? - FINE.

DO YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR FRENCH DAY NEWSPAPER?

- SURE. - I'M FROM "LIBERATION."

- YOU'RE FROM WHAT? - "LIBERATION."

- Rushing: YOU FELT LIKE IT LACKED CONTEXT? - YES, THERE WAS--

THERE WERE NO CONTEXT AT ALL.

I GOTTA TELL YA, THIS WAS A STRUGGLE FOR US,

BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS

BROADCAST TO THE WORLD, WHICH INCLUDES YOUR ENEMY,

EXACTLY WHERE YOUR TROOPS ARE, EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE DOING,

OR EXACTLY WHEN THEY'LL BE THERE AND WHAT THEY PLAN ON DOING.

SO IT WAS A REAL CHALLENGE FOR US AT THIS LEVEL.

WE WANTED TO GIVE A STRATEGIC OVERVIEW,

A MOSAIC, OF WHAT WAS GOING ON OUT THERE.

BUT WE FOUND IF WE DID IT TOO WELL--

THERE WAS SO MUCH INFORMATION COMING UP FROM THE BATTLEFIELD,

IF WE TIED IT ALL TOGETHER TOO WELL,

IT WAS A PERFECT INTELLIGENCE REPORT

FOR ANYBODY WATCHING ON THE OTHER SIDE.

SO WE WANTED TO PUT OUT AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE COULD HERE

WITHOUT PUTTING OUR TROOPS AT RISK.

♪ YANKEE DOODLE WENT TO TOWN... ♪

- ( keyboard clicking ) - ♪ RIDING THERE ON SUNDAY ♪

♪ FOUND SOME PEOPLE LIVING THERE ♪

♪ KILLED THEM ALL BY MONDAY. ♪ ( laughs )

AH, LET'S SEE THESE...

LIBERATING...

NICE GUYS.

THAT'S HOW MR. BUSH

WAS PREACHING HIS DEMOCRATIC WAR.

- ( people shout ) - ( speaking Arabic )

( man speaking Arabic )

"FROM SYRIA, LIEUTENANT RUSHING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH."

LIEUTENANT RUSHING. I WAS VERY HAPPY

BECAUSE WE KEPT HIM LIKE THIS FOR 15 MINUTES.

( laughs ) IT'S OUR WAY TO TORTURE PEOPLE.

IN MY OFFICE WE SAY IT ALL THE TIME

ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL THERE--

"NO SPIN. DON'T SPIN IT."

AND WE CATCH OURSELVES DOING IT. I CATCH MYSELF DOING IT--

TAKING AN EVENT AND SPINNING IT

SO STRONGLY IN ONE LIGHT...

THAT I HAVE TO PULL BACK AND SAY,

"WELL, WAIT A SECOND. WAIT A SECOND."

THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE TO DO.

BUT WHEN YOU FEEL THAT A REPORTER

IS TRYING TO PRESENT IT IN A VERY CERTAIN LIGHT,

THEN YOU END UP HAVING TO DEFEND IT--

IN A POLARIZING EFFECT, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT--

WAY OVER ON THIS SIDE OF THE MIDDLE

SO THAT THE STORY WILL HOPEFULLY END UP BACK IN THE MIDDLE.

SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?

I MEAN, THIS MORNING

IT WAS THE FUNNIEST REPORT EVER. BBC...

AND HE WAS SURROUNDED BY A BUNCH OF IRAQI KIDS,

AND THEY WERE SAYING-- CHANTING AGAINST BUSH.

BUT HE DIDN'T SPEAK-- DIDN'T KNOW ARABIC,

SO HE HEARD THE NAME "BUSH," AND "I'M SURROUNDED

BY A BUNCH OF CHILDREN CHEERING PRESIDENT BUSH."

( laughing ) THEY WEREN'T CH--

THEY WERE A BUNCH OF KIDS CURSING BUSH.

( speak Arabic )

AND HE THOUGHT THEY WERE CHEERING BUSH.

"GODDAMN BUSH. GODDAMN BUSH."

( laughs )

IF YOU'VE GOT AL JAZEERA DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY

POUNDING THE PEOPLE IN THE REGION

WITH THINGS THAT ARE NOT TRUE-- WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO--

IT ISN'T EASY.

THE MEDIA MEANS, NOWADAYS,

FOR PEOPLE LIKE RUMSFELD, BUSH AND CHENEY

IS THE MEDIA THAT IS THERE

TO DEFEND THE VALUES OF THESE PEOPLE.

THEY BELIEVE IN THESE VALUES.

SO, FOR THEM, DEFENDING THESE VALUES

IS RIGHT.

OBSTRUCTING THE PROGRESS OF THEIR OWN AGENDA

IS MISINFORMATION.

DOWN! DOWN!

- ( speaking Arabic ) - GET DOWN!

Muafak Tawfik: ALL THESE IMAGES--

WHO IS GOING TO MISS ALL OF THIS?

I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS A SATELLITE DISH.

EVEN A SIMPLE BEDOUIN CAN RUN IT ON A GENERATOR

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DESERT.

THEY CAN SEE IT FOR THEMSELVES THEN.

THE AMERICANS, THEY'LL JUST RADICALIZE

PEOPLE MORE AND MORE.

THERE'LL BE NO MORE ROOM FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME

WHO SPEAK SOFTLY AND RATIONALLY.

PEOPLE WILL PUSH THE LIKES OF US ASIDE AND...

THEY TAKE THINGS INTO THEIR OWN HANDS.

( shouting in Arabic)

Ibrahim: BELIEVE ME, NOBODY IS CRYING OVER SADDAM HUSSEIN.

NOBODY'S GOING TO CRY OVER ANY ARAB LEADER.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS

IT'S REALLY DEGRADING TO AN ARAB

TO WATCH ANOTHER ARAB CAPITOL RANSACKED.

DID WE RANSACK THE CAPITOL?

YOU BOMBED THE HELL OUT OF BAGHDAD.

WE BOMBED THE HELL OUT OF BAGHDAD

- WITH THE MOST PRECISION MUNITIONS IN THE WORLD. - I'M SORRY.

- PLEASE, PLEASE. - WE COULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY.

WE COULD'VE BOUGHT, WHAT, A HUNDRED NORMAL BOMBS

WHAT WE PAY FOR ONE OF THE PRECISION BOMBS.

- THEY WERE INCREDIBLY ACCURATE. - YEAH, BUT THOSE--

THOSE PRECISION BOMBS KILLED SO MANY CIVILIANS, MY FRIEND.

COMPARED TO THE CARPET BOMBING OF GERMANY?

THE CARPET BOMBING OF TOKYO?

THE NUMBER OF CIVILIANS KILLED--

I MEAN, IT IS NO JUSTIFICATION.

WHEN A VIEWER SEES THAT--

SEE, THE BOMBING OF DRESDEN WAS BEFORE THE DAYS OF TELEVISION.

SINCE VIETNAM, THE PICTURE HAS CHANGED.

AND NOW IN THE ARAB WORLD, OF COURSE,

WE'VE COME TO DISCOVER THE WONDERS OF TELEVISION MUCH...

( laughs )

MUCH LATER THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD.

AND WHEN YOU SEE THE MASSACRES IN PALESTINE

AND HOW PEOPLE ARE BUTCHERED,

THE IDEA OF ANOTHER ARAB CAPITOL OCCUPIED IS--

IS REALLY FUELING ANGER.

- Rumsfeld on TV: Truth ultimately... - ( speaking Arabic )

...finds its way into people's ears, eyes and hearts.

And I don't worry about that over the long term.

Does it make me sad to see television

saying things that are flat not true

and people printing things in that part of the world that's flat not true?

Children being taught things that are flat not true?

Yes, it bothers me.

- ( chattering ) - ( cries )

RUMSFELD CALLED THIS "INCITEMENT."

I CALL IT TRUE JOURNALISM,

THE ONLY TRUE JOURNALISM IN THE WORLD, NOTHING ELSE.

- ( gunfire ) - ( chattering )

( explosions )

Khader: AT 6:21, I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL

FROM OUR CORRESPONDENT IN BAGHDAD,

SAYING THAT THERE'S A BIG FIGHT

AROUND OUR OFFICE IN BAGHDAD.

SO I PUT THEM ON THE AIR, LIVE.

( speaks Arabic )

Khader: AND WE HEARD EVERYTHING,

ALL THE FIGHTING GOING ON,

BUT NONE OF OUR CORRESPONDENTS WAS ABLE TO GO ON TOP OF THE ROOF--

OH, THAT'S LIFE.

BECAUSE THEY SAID IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS.

BUT THEY SAID, "IF WE CAN SNEAK OUT,

WE CAN TRY TO MANAGE IT."

- ( gunfire ) - ( people shouting )

Khader: AT 6:47, THE CAMERA THAT WAS FILMING

GOT STUCK WITH A PICTURE OF TAREK AYYOUB ON THE ROOF.

( chattering )

( man speaking Arabic )

Khader: I SHOUTED AT THEM,

TELLING THEM TO MOVE THEIR CAMERA

OUT OF THE FACE OF THIS GUY,

BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE EVENT--

THE FIGHTING.

AND THEY MOVED THE CAMERA.

Man: COME ON, COME ON, COME ON.

( speaks Arabic )

Khader: 10 MINUTES LATER, I WAS ON THE PHONE

WITH THE OTHER CORRESPONDENT,

AND HE SAID, "THERE'S A PLANE TURNING OVER US,

AND NOW IT'S COMING TOWARDS US.

AND IT'S," HE SAID, "PEAKING DOWN, NOSE DOWN,"

WHICH MEANS FORMATION OF ATTACK.

AND THE AMERICAN PLANE CAME

AND LAUNCHED THE MISSILES AGAINST OUR OFFICE.

- ( explosion ) - Khader: AND THE EXPLOSION

KILLED TAREK AYYOUB.

WHEN YOU ANNOUNCE THAT ONE OF YOUR STAFF WAS HURT,

YOU EXPECT PHONE CALLS FROM THE FAMILIES

OF ALL THESE REPORTERS AND CAMERAMEN.

WE RECEIVED ONLY ONE PHONE CALL,

FROM THE WIFE OF TAREK AYYOUB...

SAYING, "WHAT HAPPENED TO TAREK?"

WE TOLD HER,

"WE DIDN'T SAY IT'S TAREK."

SHE SAID, "I KNOW.

MY HEART TELLS ME IT'S TAREK,

AND SOMETHING HAPPENED TO HIM."

WHAT CAN YOU SAY? I TELL HER.

SO...

IT WAS A HELL OF MORNING.

EVERYBODY WAS CRYING

IN THE NEWSROOM.

YOU CAN SEE THEIR TEARS COMING DOWN, EXCEPT ME.

I MANAGED TO...

TO STAY FIRM AND NOT TO CRY,

BECAUSE IT'S TOO EASY.

FOR ME, THAT WAS A CRIME THAT SHOULD BE AVENGED,

OR AT LEAST INVESTIGATED.

JIM, AS YOU CAN WELL IMAGINE,

WITH 200 JOURNALISTS INSIDE THIS ROOM

AND THE MILITARY STANDING AT THE PODIUM,

THE QUESTION OF THE DAY WAS ABOUT THREE INCIDENTS--

THE STRIKE AGAINST AL JAZEERA

IN THE VERY EARLY HOURS OF THE MORNING,

FOLLOWED BY A STRIKE AGAINST ABU DHABI TELEVISION,

FOLLOWED BY THE SHOT THAT WAS FIRED AT THE PALESTINE HOTEL.

THESE WERE QUESTIONS THAT WERE REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES,

DIFFERENT VARIATIONS,

BUT BASICALLY THE SAME ANSWER FROM THE MILITARY--

THAT THE BATTLEFIELD IS A DANGEROUS PLACE.

THE ONLY NEARLY-SAFE POSITION IS

OF THE EMBEDDED REPORTERS WITH COALITION TROOPS.

ASKED ABOUT WHAT COULD JOURNALISTS DO TO SURRENDER--

WHETHER THEY SHOULD PUT WHITE SHEETS OUT OF THE ROOMS OR WHATEVER--

THEY SAID, BASICALLY, THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THIS LOCATION.

Man: IN THE RUN-UP TO THIS WAR,

THE PENTAGON REPEATEDLY WARNED JOURNALISTS

THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN BAGHDAD

BECAUSE PRECISELY THIS KIND OF THING WOULD ARISE.

NOW, SOME MIGHT ARGUE-- SOME CYNICS MIGHT ARGUE

THAT THEY SIMPLY DIDN'T WANT US THERE WATCHING

WHILE A PARTICULARLY BLOODY EPISODE AT THE END OF THIS WAR UNFOLDED.

WHAT'S A JOURNALIST'S TAKE ON WHAT HAPPENED IN BAGHDAD TODAY?

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT KILLING THREE JOURNALISTS

WITH THREE SEPARATE STRIKES--

- JOURNALISTS TEND TO STICK TOGETHER... - MM-HMM.

...JUST LIKE SOLDIERS STICK TOGETHER.

I WONDER HOW THOSE TWO HOUSES

AND WHY THEY WERE TARGETED--

- THE ABU DHABI AND AL JAZEERA-- - OKAY.

WERE THEY TAKING FIRE?

I DIDN'T GET MY QUESTION ANSWERED.

OMAR. THE AMERICANS ARE RELEASING A STATEMENT

THAT SAYS, "ACCORDING TO COMMANDERS ON THE GROUND,

COALITION FORCES CAME UNDER SIGNIFICANT ENEMY FIRE

FROM THE BUILDING WHERE AL JAZEERA JOURNALISTS WERE WORKING

AND, CONSISTENT WITH THE INHERENT RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENSE,

COALITION FORCES RETURNED FIRE.

SADLY, AN AL JAZEERA CORRESPONDENT WAS KILLED IN THE EXCHANGE."

I HAVE JUST FAXED IT TO YOU ON YOUR FAX,

SO IT SHOULD BE THERE NOW. GIVE IT TO THE PRODUCERS, OKAY?

ALL RIGHT. GOODBYE.

Khader: THE FIRST OBJECTIVE OF SENDING THESE MISSILES

ON THE OFFICES OF AL JAZEERA IS TO TELL AL JAZEERA,

"YOU'RE NOT SIDING 100% WITH US

AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN,

SO WE ARE GOING TO PUNISH YOU.

WE ARE SENDING THESE MISSILES ON YOU

TO KILL--

TO KILL PEOPLE."

OKAY? WE HAVE RECEIVED THE MESSAGE.

WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE RECEIPT OF THIS MESSAGE.

IF WE REALLY WANTED TO SHUT DOWN MEDIA COVERAGE,

OUR ARMY OF TENS OF THOUSANDS COULD DO IT.

WE ELECTRONICALLY JAM OR DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO.

BUT IF THE END IS-- WHAT THEY WANT IS TO SHUT DOWN--

THEY WANT TO TURN THE MEDIA OFF--

I MEAN, BY FIRING INTO A GROUP OF JOURNALISTS,

YOU TURN THE MEDIA UP. SO I DON'T THINK SO.

- I DON'T THINK SO. - Khader: WE CANNOT COMPETE

WITH THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

WE ARE A TINY CHANNEL IN A TINY COUNTRY.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

- WE JUST SHUT UP... - ( banging )

AND TRY TO GO ON, DO OUR JOB.

THAT'S IT.

( cameras clicking )

WELCOME, COLLEAGUES, AND THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING

WHAT IS A GRAVE PERIOD FOR US ALL, I BELIEVE.

OUR BRAVE TAREK LIVED AND DIED

FOR HIS AND OUR PROFESSIONAL INTEGRITY.

LET'S HOPE IT WASN'T ALL IN VAIN.

I THINK WE'RE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS NOW.

- THE LADY OVER THERE. - THANK YOU. I'M ANNE BARNARD

FROM "THE BOSTON GLOBE" NEWSPAPER IN THE U.S.

AND AS A JOURNALIST I'M SORRY FOR WHAT'S HAPPENED.

WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW IS WHAT IS THE LATEST COMMUNICATION

YOU HAD WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE U.S.?

ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THEIR APOLOGY? WAS THERE AN APOLOGY?

WE HAVE BEEN EXPECTING FOR A WHILE

FOR THE RESULTS OF AN INVESTIGATION

WHICH UNFORTUNATELY CAME, AND...

JUDGING BY THE REPORTS OF EYEWITNESSES,

IT DOESN'T REALLY FLY.

AND WE ARE HOPING THAT PERHAPS MORE LIGHT

WILL BE SHED IN THE FUTURE ON THE ISSUE.

NOW I THINK WE MANAGED TO CONTACT THE WIFE

OF OUR LATE COLLEAGUE, TAREK.

SHE WILL DELIVER A MESSAGE THROUGH TELEPHONE

FROM AMMAN IN ENGLISH FOR YOU.

( speaking over phone )

YOU ALL COULD BE TAREK.

LET'S NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. LET'S DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

( shouts in Arabic )

( crowd repeats in Arabic )

( crowd shouting )

( woman speaking Arabic )

( people chatting in Arabic )

WELCOME BACK. WELCOME HOME.

WELCOME HOME. WE MISS YOU GUYS.

YOU ARE MOST WELCOME. YOU ARE HOME.

( speaks Arabic)

COFFEE? TEA? ARE YOU SURE? A MALT? COFFEE?

I WAS IN BAGHDAD FIRST, THEN I WENT TO MOSUL CITY.

AND PEOPLE ARE VERY NICE. PEOPLE ARE VERY NICE.

BUT AFTER HITTING OUR OFFICE IN BAGHDAD,

EVERYBODY WAS SCARED.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO RECEIVE US

BECAUSE THEY SAID, "YOU ARE TARGETED.

SO IF YOU START YOUR MACHINES HERE,

THE AMERICAN AIRPLANES WILL TARGET YOU."

THIS IS SHAME! THIS IS SHAME!

WE ARE MEDIA. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE TARGETED.

- ( people chattering ) - NO NO, WE ARE NOT READY. HOLD ON.

( speak Arabic )

Man: MIX.

OKAY, YOU CAN GO TO YOUR-- TO THE NEXT ITEM.

I DON'T HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENTS IN BAGHDAD RIGHT NOW.

Man on TV: Okay, let me just bring you up to date.

The Americans are deploying all around me.

We just heard a large tank round go up.

But let's go over here and talk to the guys

- unfolding the Stars and Stripes. - ( laughter )

What's your name, mate?

- What's your name? - Miguel Jimenez!

- Man: Good to see you. - Glad to be here!

Get that flag going.

( laughter )

INCREDIBLE.

( man on TV continues speaking )

Woman on TV: Geographically, what are we looking at?

Whereabouts is this?

What does it actually mean,

this point where the coalition troops are?

Man #2 on TV: Well, this is one of the main squares in Baghdad.

It's a kind of focal point.

I suppose for the British viewers,

it's kind of like Trafalgar Square.

IS THAT A STATUE OF SADDAM?

Man: UMM, I CAN SEE THE-- OKAY, RIGHT.

( man speaking Arabic on TV )

( speaking Arabic )

( people chattering )

I JUST-- I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE IT.

IT'S--

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, REALLY.

IT'S-- I CAN'T--

IT'S-- FOR US IT'S REALLY SHOCKING

HOW QUICKLY THE REGIME FELL.

WHERE IS THE REPUBLICAN GUARD?

WHERE IS THE IRAQI ARMY?

THEY MUST BE SOMEWHERE.

THEY COULDN'T HAVE JUST VANISHED.

Jim Wilkinson: A LOT OF YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN WHO DIED

TO MAKE THIS MOMENT HAPPEN, GUYS.

- YES. - A LOT OF REPORTERS, TOO.

GOOD MORNING, KATIE.

I AM HERE WITH THE DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC COMMUNICATIONS

FOR UNITED STATES CENTRAL COMMAND.

WHAT ARE THE MOST STRIKING IMAGES

THAT YOU'VE SEEN SO FAR?

I THINK THE MOST STRIKING IMAGES ARE ANY TIME YOU SEE

WOMEN, CHILDREN AND MEN IN IRAQ CELEBRATE.

THESE ARE GOOD IMAGES,

IT'S IMPORTANT IMAGES,

AND CLEARLY THEY'RE-- THEY'RE HAPPY.

THEY'RE ALMOST LIBERATED, IF NOT FULLY LIBERATED.

YOU LOOK AT THESE PICTURES, AND YOU HAVE TO STOP, TAKE A SECOND

AND REMEMBER THOSE AMERICANS AND U.K. SOLDIERS AND OTHERS

WHO HAVE DIED TO MAKE THESE MOMENTS HAPPEN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INSIGHTS THIS MORNING.

KATIE, BACK TO YOU.

- Man #2: THANKS A LOT. - WASN'T THAT POWERFUL?

YOU JUST THINK OF ALL THE FOLKS THAT DIED

- TO MAKE THOSE MOMENTS HAPPEN. - Man #2: YEAH.

- IT'S-- IT'S AMAZING. - Man #2: YEAH.

- WAS I OKAY? - YES. COME BACK TO US, THOUGH.

THANK YOU. YOU DID GREAT. YOU DID GREAT.

Khader: THE AMERICANS PLAYED THE MEDIA ELEMENT

INTELLIGENTLY.

ON THE 9th OF APRIL,

THE AMERICAN TROOPS

WENT DOWN TO FIRDOS SQUARE.

IT WAS A SHOW. IT WAS A MEDIA SHOW.

AFTER HAVING BOMBED AL JAZEERA AND...

SOME PART OF ABU DHABI TELEVISION,

- THEY DID THIS SHOW. - ( chattering )

Khader: THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM SOME PEOPLE,

SUPPOSEDLY IRAQIS, CHEERING UP.

THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT IRAQIS.

I LIVED IN IRAQ. I WAS BORN THERE.

I WAS RAISED THERE.

OKAY? I CAN RECOGNIZE AN IRAQI ACCENT.

FOR ME, THE MOST TELLING PART

WAS WHEN THE AMERICAN SOLDIER HANGED THE AMERICAN FLAG

OVER SADDAM'S HEAD.

I THINK SOMEBODY MUST HAVE TOLD HIM, "DON'T BE THAT OBVIOUS.

WE DIDN'T TELL YOU TO DO THIS. PUT IT DOWN."

IT'S NOT A SENSE OF CELEBRATION.

IT'S A SENSE OF RELIEF.

THEY-- THEY'RE SEEING SADDAM HUSSEIN...

DISAPPEARING.

THAT MAKES THEM FEEL LIKE A BIG BURDEN

IS TAKEN OFF THEIR SHOULDERS.

BUT THEY ARE NOT...

WELCOMING THE AMERICANS AS TRUE LIBERATORS.

IT WAS A VERY CLEVER IDEA, WHAT THEY DID, OF COURSE.

THEY DID IT ON PURPOSE. THEY KNEW THEY WERE COMING TO THE SQUARE

WHERE ALL THE JOURNALISTS WERE,

WHERE EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO BE LIVE

AND WAS GOING TO FORGET EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY HAD DONE.

THEY WERE GOING TO FORGET 24 HOURS, WHAT HAD HAPPENED.

THEY WERE GOING TO FORGET ALL THE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES.

THEY WERE GOING TO FORGET EVERYTHING.

ALL THAT WAS GOING TO BE REMEMBERED WAS THIS STATUE.

AND I BET YOU THEY BROUGHT IN THESE TEENAGE GUYS

WHO BROKE THE STATUE, PULLED IT DOWN.

THEY BROUGHT THEM IN WITH THEM,

BECAUSE, IF YOU NOTICE,

THEY'RE ALL SORT OF THE SAME AGE.

NO WOMEN.

AND THEY ALL WENT IN,

AND IT WAS THE SAME PEOPLE ON THE SQUARE.

YOU COULDN'T SEE MORE PEOPLE GATHERING FROM THE HOUSES AROUND.

NO ONE CAME DOWN TO THE STREET TO SEE WHAT WAS HAPPENING

'CAUSE PEOPLE ARE SCARED.

AND THESE PEOPLE WHO CAME IN,

HOW COME ONE OF THEM HAD

THE FLAG OF IRAQ

BEFORE 1991 IN HIS POCKET?

HAS HE JUST BEEN WAITING THERE FOR 10 YEARS

WITH THE FLAG ON THAT SQUARE?

( laughs ) I DON'T THINK SO.

BUT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT

THE U.S. MEDIA WOULD TALK ABOUT.

THE SHOW WAS MEANT FOR THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA.

HERE WE ARE IN BAGHDAD.

THE WAR...

IS FINISHED.

( music playing )

- Man: YEAH! - ( cheers, applause )

THANK YOU.

MAJOR COMBAT OPERATIONS IN IRAQ HAVE ENDED.

IN THE BATTLE OF IRAQ,

THE UNITED STATES AND OUR ALLIES HAVE PREVAILED.

( cheers, applause )

Bush on TV: The regime of Saddam Hussein has passed into history.

( cheers, applause )

- Thanks to the courage and might of our military... - ( speaking Arabic )

...the American people are more secure.

Thanks to the courage and might of our military...

the Iraqi people are now free.

( cheers, applause )

Now that Iraq is liberated, the United Nations should lift

economic sanctions on that country.

Khatib: THE WHOLE WAR, ACTUALLY, IS LIKE AN AMERICAN MOVIE.

YOU KNOW THE END. YOU KNOW WHO'S THE HERO.

YOU KNOW THE BAD GUYS. THEY'RE GOING TO DIE.

( laughs )

AND-- BUT YOU STILL WATCH

BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN

AND WHAT WEAPONS THEY'RE GOING TO USE

TO, LIKE, DO IT.

I MEAN, WE LOST TAREK.

I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW.

I STILL-- I STILL CANNOT,

LIKE, SORT OF GET IT THROUGH...

AND THEN WE LOST BAGHDAD. ( laughs )

( dial tone )

AND THEN WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOSE NEXT?

( folk music playing )

( chattering )

( man singing )

( chattering )

DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE BAGHDADIS

AND THE PEOPLE OF MOSUL

AND HOW THEY'RE ORGANIZING THEIR LIVES

AS FROM MAYBE THIS MORNING OR THIS AFTERNOON?

FROM MOSQUES NOW.

THEY'RE USING THE LOUDSPEAKERS.

THERE IS NO OTHER WAY OF COMMUNICATION.

THERE IS NO GOVERNMENT, NO AUTHORITY, NO CIVIL ORDER.

THEY'RE CARRYING STICKS AND THINGS TO DEFEND THEIR PROPERTY.

I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE--

I SEE THIS-- THESE ARE... ( speaks Arabic )

LOOK AT THEM.

THEY ARE THE KURDS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO HELPED

THE AMERICANS THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN.

THEY'RE WALKING OUT WITH SACKFULS OF MONEY.

AND YOU KNOW WHY THEY ARE RIPPING THEM TO PIECES?

BECAUSE IN THE KURDISH AREAS

THEY USE A DIFFERENT, OLD...

VERSION OF THE IRAQI DINAR.

THIS IS MEANINGLESS. THAT'S WHY THEY...

Shuster: WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF ANARCHY.

I WANT YOU TO FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS-- THAT STUFF

THAT THEY WERE THROWING IN THE AIR,

WHETHER THAT WAS THEIR OLD CURRENCY.

HILARIOUS.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE "THE PRICE IS RIGHT." WHOO!

THE LOOTING WAS DONE BY IRAQIS.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

AND SO IT WAS LITERALLY DONE UNDER THE NOSES

OF THE IRAQI POPULATION.

THE QUESTION IS, WHO DID THE LOOTING?

I THINK THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

ACCORDING TO BROOKS-- THAT ANSWER TODAY WAS JUST RIDICULOUS.

HE SUGGESTED THAT IRAQIS WERE SOMEHOW SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONSIBLE

FOR PREVENTING THE LOOTING AT THAT TIME,

WHICH YOU SAY IS STILL DURING INTENSE COMBAT OPERATIONS.

HOW SOME PERSON WITH A CONSCIENCE

WAS SUPPOSED TO STOP A BUNCH OF RILED-UP LOOTERS

FROM GOING INTO THE MUSEUM, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, YOU NEEDED A TANK THERE AND GUYS WITH GUNS TO STOP IT.

- THE NATION DESERVES SOME RESPONSIBILITY. - HOW? HOW?

YOU GUYS TOOK OVER THIS CITY!

HOW CAN YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO STAND UP AND TRY--

YOU DON'T THINK THE LOOTERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENED?

THE LOOTERS ARE, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T WANT IT

TO BE LOOTED SHOULDN'T BE HELD RESPONSIBLE

FOR PREVENTING THE CHAOS THAT ERUPTED BECAUSE YOU GUYS WENT IN.

THERE IS A RESPONSIBILITY THERE--

THE IRAQI PEOPLE-- TO CREATE THEIR OWN SITUATIONS

WHERE THEY PROTECT THEIR CULTURAL SITES.

- WE DON'T WANT TO OCCUPY BAGHDAD. - Ibrahim: BUT YOU ARE.

WE DON'T WANT TO KEEP TROOPS HERE.

- Ibrahim: YOU ARE OCCUPYING IT RIGHT NOW. - NO, WELL--

AS WE SPEAK, YOU OCCUPY BAGHDAD.

WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO DO,

- BECAUSE YOU WANT US TO STOP THE LOOTING. - NO NO. NO. NO.

- REGARDLESS-- I MEAN, YOU DO-- - IF WE PULLED OUT,

- THE LOOTING AND THE REPARATIONS AT THIS POINT-- - YEAH, BUT...

YOU DO OR YOU DON'T? SO I'M NOT WRONG IN SAYING

- THAT YOU OCCUPY BAGHDAD RIGHT NOW? - OKAY.

- YOU DO OCCUPY BAGHDAD? - SO WHEN YOU DO REPORT THAT,

YOU SAY RIGHT NOW, AND THEN IT'S TEMPORARY,

- RIGHT? - REGARDLESS.

MAYBE YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT TO ME.

I UNDERSTAND YOU. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.

I UNDERSTAND THE WEST. I UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY.

I UNDERSTAND THE AMERICAN ARMY.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON. I UNDERSTAND IRAQ.

BUT TO AN AVERAGE VIEWER, WHAT DO THEY SEE ON TELEVISION?

AMERICAN TANKS IN THE CENTER OF BAGHDAD.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SEE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO CONVEY TO YOU.

TO ME, AN OCCUPATION WOULD BE US ROLLING INTO THE CENTER OF TOWN

- AND RAISING THE AMERICAN FLAG. - PLEASE TRY TO PUT--

TRY TO PUT YOURSELF IN THE PLACE OF AN AVERAGE ARAB VIEWER--

AN ARAB VIEWER SITTING IN A COFFEE SHOP IN CAIRO, DAMASCUS,

AMMAN, KHARTOUM, MOROCCO.

- JUST THAT SIMPLE VIEWER, THE SIMPLE PERSON. - I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU'RE NOT TALKING FACTS. YOU'RE TALKING THEIR PERCEPTION.

I SEE HOW IT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS THAT.

I DO, BUT THERE'S A FEELING IN AMERICA

THAT THERE'S AN INSTABILITY IN THIS REGION.

DO YOU HEAR WHAT I'M SAYING, THOUGH,

- THAT THERE'S THIS INSTABILITY? - YEAH, I DO.

BUT THEY'RE GOING TO THE WRONG PLACE.

HOW ABOUT THE ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT?

- WHY DON'T-- - I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU.

YEAH, BUT WHY DON'T THEY WANT TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT?

THEY'RE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT,

AND IT'S INCREASING THE ANGER.

IF I GET OUT OF THE MARINE CORPS AND DO ANYTHING,

I WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE PALESTINIAN ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK AMERICANS ARE GETTING GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT IT.

I REALLY DON'T.

BUT NO AMERICAN CONNECTS

THE PALESTINIAN ISSUE AND THIS ISSUE.

THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

THEY MIGHT AS WELL BE ON DIFFERENT SIDES

OF THE WORLD AS FAR AS THEY'RE CONCERNED.

I HAVE YET TO MEET ANYONE IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD

THAT SEES THEM AS NOT THE SAME ISSUE.

EVERYONE HERE SEES 'EM AS THE EXACT SAME THING.

MISUNDERSTANDING IS RUNNING ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND IT'S SO COMPLEX. THAT'S WHY I--

I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE. WILL YOU BE AROUND IN ONE HOUR?

HOW LONG DO Y'ALL HAVE?

WHAT TIME IS IT? OH MY GOODNESS, 5:00.

- YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE DINNER OR WHATEVER. - I WOULD LOVE TO.

- I DON'T THINK WE CAN LEAVE BASE, THOUGH. - REALLY CAN'T?

MY WIFE CATHY LIVED IN JERUSALEM.

- OH YEAH? OH WOW. - SPEAKS PERFECT HEBREW.

YOU'D REALLY LOVE TALKING TO HER. REALLY.

I'LL ASK, SEE IF I CAN GET PERMISSION.

- IF YOU GET PERMISSION, YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME. - I'D LOVE TO.

- THANK YOU VERY MUCH. - AND I'LL BE BACK IN AN HOUR.

- THANKS. - OKAY.

Khader: HISTORY TELLS US THAT...

HUMAN BEINGS HAVE SHORT MEMORIES.

WHO THINKS NOW IN THE UNITED STATES

ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN SOMALIA IN 1993?

NOBODY.

WHO THINKS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA?

NOBODY THINKS ABOUT THAT.

HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS.

ALL WHAT WILL BE LEFT FROM THIS WAR

ARE JUST SCRIPTS

AND SOME HISTORY BOOKS,

AND THAT'S IT.

ANYWAY, GOOD SEEING YOU. I HOPE WE MEET AGAIN.

( both speak Arabic )

Khader: LIFE WILL CONTINUE, WILL GO ON.

THERE WILL BE OTHER PROBLEMS.

THERE WILL BE OTHER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.

- ( speaking Arabic ) - HUH?

( people chattering )

Man: THE RATS ARE FREE I GUESS, RIGHT?

( man #2 laughs ) BONUS.

( chattering continues )

- ( people mutter ) - Woman: OH, RAIN.

( rain pattering )

Khader: THERE IS ONE SINGLE THING THAT WILL BE LEFT...

VICTORY, AND THAT'S IT.

PEOPLE LIKE-- LIKE... VICTORY.

THEY DON'T LIKE JUSTIFICATIONS.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY.

ONCE YOU ARE VICTORIOUS, THAT'S IT.

( folk music playing )

( man singing )