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Thank you, people.

Thank you.

Thank you very much. I know why you're... I know.

All right, we got a big show.

I know it's very exciting because it's 4 o 'clock here, Pacific time. We're

about an hour from the splashdown of Artemis II.

And I think everyone on Earth...

We have the same question for the astronauts.

Do you have any gas?

No, I mean, at a time when there's a lot of tension going on here on Earth, this

is kind of the feel -good story that has everybody excited.

Everybody, wherever I go, Bill, did you see the photos?

Yeah, I saw them. Earth as I've always seen it.

I'm sorry.

I don't mean...

I don't mean to be the wet blanket on the moon.

I just don't get it. I mean, everybody's like, you know, if we're on the moon,

we can get to Mars. I don't want to go there either.

Okay?

There's nothing out there except other rocks. Let's fix the shit show here on

Earth.

But I will tell you this, when the astronauts get back, the world will look

differently than when they left a week ago when we had won the war in Iran.

Now we don't, well, actually, we have a ceasefire. We have a ceasefire, whatever

that means.

Yes, we came to an agreement with Iran. We agreed to stop bombing them and they

agreed to stop being bombed. So, you know, it's kind of mutual and, well.

This happened after Trump.

He runs this war by his post, you know, and he posted that he was going to wipe

out their whole civilization.

And he said, you know what? I am not bluffing. Did you see what I did to

Atlantic City?

Oh, I said the person.

But, oh, no, this guy, this Trump character, he ain't playing here.

I mean, he also posted on Easter.

Easter. He posted, open the fucking straight.

That's not my fucking, that's his. Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards

will be living in hell. And then he finished it by writing, I swear to God,

praise be Allah.

But... That was just

to appeal to Gen Z.

But, you know,

it's still all... about this Strait of Hormuz where we get all the oil. We need

the oil.

And, you know, apparently this agreement we have, we have to save face and not,

you know, kill everybody in Iran by pretending that it's open, although it's

kind of not.

Iran is charging a toll.

It's $2 million to get in.

Same as Disneyland.

So, but...

Have no fear, J .D. Vance, Vice President, wait, he's on his way, or

guess he's there in Pakistan to work out a deal. That's where they're having the

peace deal over there in Pakistan.

And with Vance out of the country, Speaker Mike Johnson becomes second in

to kiss Trump's ass.

So that's an important part of the, but yeah, that's

who's at the table over there in Islamabad, Pakistan. Vance.

and the Iranians, and I guess it's hard to sit across from the table with, you

know, people who have called Trump reprehensible and an idiot and could be

America's Hitler. And that's just J .D. Vance.

No, he said those things. I'm not making that up.

Oh, boy, I tell you.

Trump is really getting it from both sides now. Of course, the Democrats, you

know, they won't start talking about impeaching him again. But even on the

right, Trump, some of his historically biggest supporters are abandoning him

criticizing him.

Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, Alex Jones.

And Trump, oh, he fired back at all of them this week. He said, they are people

with low IQs.

Stupid people.

They know it. Their family knows it. Everybody knows it.

He's right.

They are. They're stupid people.

They fell for his bullshit. How bright can they be?

Things are so bad now in the administration

that they're trying to talk about Epstein.

I'm not making this up. Melania came out this week. Now, Trump says he didn't

know she was going to do it. I don't know. But Melania came out and had a

conference and said the lies about her, Epstein, must end. And no one

knew what this statement meant or why she was saying it now.

But Amazon bought the rights to it for $78 million.

And then, yeah, we were off this week. We missed the story. The case of Brian

Noem, you know, Christy Noem's husband.

Nice guy, just trying to make a business in the insurance industry.

Found out he is a, I don't know exactly what, but he's a guy who likes to wear

big fake tits. That's what we know, as the Bible tells us.

Today, the story proceeded. We found out via Daily Mail, of course, Daily Mail.

They released audio of Brian Noem's dominatrix. Apparently, he was very much

confidant of this. This is who we really talk to a lot, this dominatrix.

And he had been telling her that he very much wanted to do the surgery and get

the hormones and become a woman.

He is now leading in the polls for the Democratic nomination.

That's it, you know.

I feel for this guy. He's a nice guy. Weird life, you know, because he wanted

the big fake tits, but he also wanted to be humiliated for having them. That's

what a dominatrix does. You pay them to humiliate you. One time she told Brian

Noem to drink from the dog bowl, and he said, that's a little dangerous around

here.

All right, we've got a great show.

and Douglas Murray.

But first up, he is a bioethicist, oncologist, and the best -selling author

the new book, Eat Your Ice Cream, Six Simple Rules for a Long and Healthy

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel.

Doc?

How are you?

How are you? Good to see you. Good to see you again.

All right.

How are you, Doc?

How's the doctor?

The doctor is great.

Really? Yeah, and my brother will tell you he's my doctor, so that's the proof.

Okay, well, we'll talk about your brother later.

So you were involved, before I get into the book, in Obamacare. I mean, that's

how mostly we know you. You're one of the leading people we see on TV talking

about health matters, and you worked very much on the Obamacare situation.

that's certainly been in the news a lot lately. People lost coverage. A lot of

people also say the coverage kind of stinks.

I'm sure there's a lot of blame going to either side about that. Where is

Obamacare? What do we need to do? We're starting off politically, then.

I just, well, Obama, I mean, come on, that's people's lives. Okay. So, look,

got 25 million people insured. We saved the federal government through Medicare

more than almost $4 trillion.

So those were the positives.

All that time, Republicans were trying to repeal it without a plan about what

do for people who didn't have insurance or for the costs in the country.

And then Trump comes in and he gives a big tax break, some of that $4 trillion

to the thousand billionaires in the country.

And he throws a bunch of people off Medicaid and out of the exchanges.

Do we need reform?

100%. I'm the first person to say the system sucks.

It's broken. People say that I don't I never understood the concept of the

deductible. And they say that I have Obamacare, but I can't use it. But I

get the concept that, OK, I have insurance. They pay for things except

don't. Yes. Except when I actually still pay. I need it. I don't get that.

Right. It's it's meant to persuade you not to overuse health care where it's

discretionary. The problem is at five thousand, seven thousand dollars, it's

discretionary. stops you from using necessary care. For people who have an

illness, there should be no deductible.

Look, I'm an oncologist.

My patients don't decide whether they're going to get chemo or not, whether

they're going to get an MRI or not. I decide that. Why should they pay a

deductible? It's crazy.

All right, so let's get to your book.

That's all the politics we're talking about? Well, I mean, it crosses over.

Healthcare is politics.

Yes, I agree.

Why are you giving me anxiety about this?

So I can treat it and charge you. Okay, but I mean... Now there's some truth.

I mean, a lot of what you say is common sense. And there's a lot of stuff that

isn't so common sense.

I mean, I feel like a big thing in your book is anti -exotic. So many exotic...

I mean, I have this ring.

The aura ring. What?

Yeah. Is it bullshit?

It just increases your anxiety. Did I get a good night's sleep? Did I not get

good night's sleep?

This is how I tell Bill. I get up in the morning. Do I feel well or not feel

well? And that's the amazing thing.

I mean, sometimes it says I got a good night's sleep, but I don't feel so good.

And sometimes I feel like I got a good night's sleep, but it says I don't. And

then I got this thing, you know, this mattress. I forget what they're called.

just got it. Andrew Huberman sent it to me.

It's like it fills with a little bit of water and adjusts your temperature while

you sleep. You know about these things? No.

Okay. I use a regular mattress. I know, but sometimes, I mean, I think it kind

of did help, but, you know, sometimes it doesn't agree with the ring.

So now the bed is arguing with the ring, and I'm arguing with both of them.

That's why I don't recommend using the ring. Some people find it helpful.

You know, some people are quantitative. They went to MIT, and they actually

think all those numbers mean something. I mostly don't think that. Right. I

mean, if you feel good. When I don't get enough sleep, I feel like shit.

Exactly. Your thinking is clouded, right? You don't have any energy. You

feel like shit. Yeah. Okay.

Don't feel like shit. That's a very technical term, I know. And I feel like,

especially when you live out here in California, you know, I mean, if I did

everything that everybody suggests that I do, I would do nothing all day. That's

right.

Seriously.

I'd get in the cold plunge, then I'd do the sauna, then I'd, of course, walk

barefoot on grass. And what about the red light?

And the red light?

I'd do some red light therapy, of course. And the peptides? Oh,

Meanwhile, Keith Richards is fine.

But still, you know, I mean... Bill, that was the main reason I wrote the

First of all, lots of people asked me, what should I do? Should I drink

not drink alcohol, what diet, etc.? So I wanted to give people advice. And the

second thing is to say, all these people who are giving you this tons of

information and making you obsessed about it, forget about it. It is common

sense. It's six rules, right?

Don't be a schmuck. Don't do stupid stuff, right?

Have friends and talk to friends and talk to people you happen to meet, your

barista, your Uber driver.

Keep your mind mentally sharp. Do things that are going to challenge you to keep

you sharp because you don't want to be demented.

Eat well, right?

Exercise. Do the three kinds of exercise.

Eat well. The name of your book is Eat Ice Cream.

Ice cream is very good for you. It's not.

It is. It's not. Look, they did a study in 2014, and the thing that

prevented type 2 diabetes the most, ice cream. Plus, it makes you happy.

Okay.

I haven't had ice cream in 30 years. I can be happy without ice cream. You can?

Yes. But most of us love ice cream, and we should indulge. Okay. Well, but

that's it.

It's a...

No, that's a bullshit argument.

You know, yes, I mean, everything is a tradeoff between present happiness and

future happiness. I agree. Okay, when you have the ice cream, you're happy in

the present, and you are going to pay a price in the future. Let's not deny it.

Of course, there's no penalty for eating shit and fat and sugar. Oh, no, no,

there is. It's sugar. It's full of sugar. Sugar's the worst thing for you,

I totally agree with you, except it's sugar with dairy and the data. Dairy's

bad, too. Look, I'm a data -driven guy.

Everything in that book is supported by data and by studies. Okay. And that's

why I put it in the book, because it is counterintuitive. It is got sugar in it,

and it's got dairy, including saturated fats, and it turns out it's actually

good for you. Well, liquor has a lot of sugar, too. Is that good for me? No.

Well, that actually turns out to be complicated, which is why

I said yes and no. So the fact is, it can be good for you if it... lubricates

your social interactions, which are very, very important.

It's not good for you. Wait a second.

It's not good for you. It lubricates my social interactions.

And let me tell you, I tried rubbing it on the condom. It doesn't work.

Okay, I agree with that.

And too much of it is not good for you. It causes cancer, liver disease,

dementia. Not a good thing. I've seen studies in the past, like two drinks a

is good for you. It's misleading. That's too much. Okay, well, whatever it is,

the point of it is 0 % of it is actually good for you. It's poison. There used

to be a fucking...

skull on the bottle.

Okay.

That's a trade -off.

But the guy who comes home from work and he's like this, and he's so tense, if

he has a couple of drinks... It might be helpful to talk to someone about that,

too. Well... But I'm saying, she's not going to die of that kind of anxiety.

The drinking can be helpful, but it itself is not. Okay, we agree on that.

go to the other thing that you said is like the number one predictor, which I

was very surprised.

Maybe I shouldn't be because in this day and age with cell phones and everything

else and people losing contact with humans. Right. You say the number one

predictor of good health is socialization. Yeah. You know, like

is like something you see more than ever.

Half the meals are eaten alone in the country. And especially among Gen Zers,

they have like 80 % of them eat a majority of their meals alone. It's a

disaster. We have went from 7 % of the population having zero to one.

friends, close friends, to almost 20%, tripling in three decades.

That's a disaster.

People don't know how to relate to other people. They don't know how to make

friends. They don't know how to talk to friends about things that matter to

them. And it is the most important thing for a long, healthy, and happy life.

And it's just getting worse because, I mean, I don't see that a lot of the kids

want to change. I mean, there is a movement, some of them, to get rid of

media, and that's great, and get rid of the phone.

One guy.

And we know that's correlated with better mental functioning and feeling

But for everyone I've heard about that, I've heard people say, ChatGP is really

my best friend now. I mean, I've heard those exact words.

That's not good. No, it isn't good, and it actually portends really bad in the

future. Because it's going to be bad.

First of all, bad cognitive functioning and bad mental health. And we actually

have things we can do here, Bill. We have to protect our kids. They're the

important thing in our society.

And one of the things we can do is get rid of phones from all schools all

the country. We're doing it.

We're finally on our way to doing it. Well, finally. Then we have to prohibit

social media.

Last thing, I mean, you look like you're very healthy. How old are you now?

Do I have to reveal it?

We're about the same age.

I'm 68.

Okay. So you said when you were 56, you didn't want to live past 75.

So you have seven years and then... No.

What? What I said is I didn't want any medical treatment that the purpose of

them was to keep me alive. But if I broke my hip, I'd want that fixed. If I

glaucoma or a cataract and I couldn't see, I want that fixed.

So, yes.

Okay. And you don't believe in retiring, right? Because... Right.

Bad idea.

For your cognitive function, it's a bad idea. But what about people who can't

help it? I mean, what about people who... We're all going to eventually

And my point, actually, I make this point in the book in some detail.

You have to plan your retirement, not just for the money, but for what you're

going to do that's going to keep you mentally engaged.

Where are you going to volunteer?

What hobbies are you going to...

take up?

What are you going to do with other people? How are you going to keep your

social network?

So what we don't do in this country, we always think about the money, the money,

the money.

What we have to think about is the brains, the brains, the brains, because

that's what really deteriorates when you retire, and you have to actually think

it through and plan it. That's one of the recommendations in the book. All

right, I have done it, and I'm going to be doing a lot more social lubricating.

Thank you, Doc.

It's great to see you.

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, ladies and gentlemen. All right, let's bring to our

Hey!

Hi, guys.

Okay, he is a national security and political analyst, founder of

Veterans of America, and host of the podcast Independent Americans with Paul

Rykoff. Paul Rykoff is up here.

And he's a New York Post contributor and best -selling author of On Democracies

and Death Cults, Israel and the Future of Civilization, Douglas Murray.

Great to see you, gentlemen.

Perfect panel.

Let's just have three guys talking about war.

A little bro -fest here, guys talking war, because that's what everybody's

thinking about. Now, you and I, I think, were on the same page when this started

six weeks ago. I mean, we thought it was the right thing to do to take this shot

now, to deal with Iran once and for all, not just because of the nukes, but they

did say in their own negotiations that they were weeks away from having 11

bombs. To me, that was pretty clear, not to mention what they do to their own

people. And we just don't think jihadism... and people who believe in

can have nukes. Okay, so I thought it was worth taking the shot.

Six weeks later, I think we're at a different place because I read your

today. You think we've got to finish this no matter what it takes.

I was never on that page.

I was on the page, this is a great opportunity.

Hey, we see them all in one place. We can wipe out the whole leadership at

It looks like they're ready for an uprising.

Take the shot, Mav.

Take the shot.

We did it.

And it didn't work.

Now what? Do we cut and run or do we stay the course? I hope Donald Trump is

abandoner he's always been.

I hope he is the guy who will never not abandon anything in his life except his

love for tariffs.

And I hope he does what America always done, these people who say, you know,

we'll get a reputation for cutting. We always cut and run. We did it in

We did it in Iraq. We did it to the Kurds. We did it in Afghanistan.

We did it in Beirut.

That's us. No lifeguard on duty. If you get in with us, we are going to fuck

you, okay? And that's Donald Trump. He's an asshole, but he's our asshole.

Douglas?

I disagree.

I disagree because I think once started, you have to finish. I don't agree that

it failed.

It's been an incredibly successful operation in lots of ways. Supreme

dead.

Iranian Air Force destroyed, nuclear sites attacked again, the Navy of the

Iranian Revolutionary Government at the bottom of the ocean. These are not small

things. It's not the case that the Iranian Revolutionary Government has

of this well.

I know some people are wanting to say that after four, six weeks of war, this

some kind of loss for America. It isn't. It's been an amazing strategic success,

but everyone wants to know what the out is.

Now, there are several problems about that. The first is that at the beginning

of this, there was a belief, a hope.

that the Iranian people might seize the opportunity to rise up and overthrow the

government. The fact is that that hope was always marginal because, as we

know, when a dictatorship like the revolutionary Islamic government has the

and the population doesn't, you're asking the population to do a hell of a

thing.

That didn't happen. The regime is still in place. It doesn't mean it's going to

be in place for perpetuity. It's perfectly possible it could still be

the coming months by the people.

But the crucial thing is, is the main objective of the war achieved or not?

The main objective is not just can the government in Iran get nuclear weapons

the foreseeable future, but can they in some future presidential term in the U

.S.? As I see it, that is the bit that has to be addressed. Simply whether or

not the Iranian administration, the government there...

ever has in our lifetimes the potential to have breakout to nuclear weapons. My

belief is that this is the one shot to make sure they don't. That the

opportunity to make sure that the Iranian Revolutionary Government doesn't

weapons is seized now. But then we would have to put boots on them. No, it

doesn't. It doesn't. There can be an agreement. How can we make sure?

No, no. Say it.

Say your piece. Holy shit, where to start?

Here we are. Again, Bill, right, talking about another unpopular war in the

Middle East that most of the country doesn't support, and people that I

with and folks that I know are going to continue to go and fight and die while a

lot of the country lives life uninterrupted.

There is a reemergence of a new generation of chicken hawks, people who

never served, people who don't have kids in the military, and they're happy to

send our men and women to die in a war in the Middle East. But hold on, hold

You found, I guess, the one guy outside of Pete Hegseth who thinks that the last

two weeks has been a victory.

This has not been a victory. I'll give it an incomplete at best.

They had a series of shifting rationales, but none of the rationales

they put forward have been achieved.

The regime is still in place. The Strait of Hormuz is not open.

There is no securing of the enriched uranium.

And the military still has some pretty sizable capacity.

But I think the bigger issue here, right, is Donald Trump.

Okay,

let's stick to Iran.

the country now we're in chicago they are in chicago you know but it's a whole

different issue no it's not a different issue no no it's really important it's

really important it's not a different issue because this is the plan 2025 was

about dominating America.

2026 is about dominating the Western Hemisphere. And that includes, in his

vision board, places like Greenland, which he's now talking about again. So

have to at some point ask, will Congress step up? Will anybody give him any

guardrails? Or are they just going to let him go? They've been like mall cops.

They're not slowing him down at all. And he keeps going forward. And nothing is

stopping him.

So we have to ask ourselves, what will stop him? Just to focus on the nuclear

issue again for a moment.

It has been the consistent policy of Democrat and Republican administrations

this country that the Iranians shouldn't be allowed a nuclear weapon.

Firstly, because they're about the only regime on Earth that would like to use

one and seize mutual assured destruction is a rather attractive proposition.

And secondly, because we know that the whole Middle East will go nuclear after

they go nuclear.

So if we just remain... Inevitably. Okay.

Let's say it's a...

We can fearmonger that everybody's going to get it and the nukes are the

problem. But the reality is the nukes are still there. The world's most

dangerous region getting the world's most dangerous weapons would be very

undesirable. I agree with that. Can we agree on that? I agree with that. But

here's the point.

You can do something about that. America. He took his shot and he missed.

And so how many more shots are we going to take? That's what I'm saying. How

many more shots are we going to take? And I think, and I would have argued, if

he was going to take, you can make an argument. I don't want them to have a

nuke. I do not, you know, the regime is awful. I would be happy to see them

removed, threat removed.

The question is, can you achieve that objective?

And he has failed in achieving that objective. And there's a right way to go

about it, to get the country behind it, to get congressional approval, to get an

alliance of allies who can stand with us, to have a country that has the

for what might be a very long fight. And the biggest mistake a president can

make is to send troops before they commit a country. And the country is not

committed, but our troops are. And every time that happens, it leads to

disaster, from Afghanistan to Iraq to Vietnam.

It's an admirable mission, but if you can't get, we have the most powerful

military the world has ever seen, but if you can't get the country behind it,

he's right, they will quit. The first thing is, look.

Everyone wants success.

Everyone wants it to be a short, sharp war, and it hasn't been that yet. It

doesn't mean that after six weeks we can say this has been a disaster.

The one thing I would add to that is international alliances.

Don't bet on it. Every European country... Don't bet on it? Look, every

country... We bet on it every time. Sure, sure. Every single European

has the same policy this one does, that the Iranians shouldn't be allowed a

nuke. What have they done about it? Nothing.

The German chancellor said last year, when the Americans and Israelis last

in to bomb the reactors, he said, our policy in Germany is that the Iranians

shouldn't get a nuclear weapon, but the Americans are doing our dirty work for

us. Now, that's an ally that you want to get on side. No, they're on side in

principle. It's just they're not going to commit anything.

It's only America that is... So it's the fact that we should shit on our allies

and pull out of NATO? I don't think you should shit on your allies at all.

That's what the president wants to do. I agree. I don't think there should be

any shitting. If you go into a bar fight, you need every friend you can

And he's throwing away our most valuable friends, including...

The Ukrainians, right? He's pushing away Ukraine. He's denying support for

Ukraine. And Zelensky today said that the Ukrainians have shot down threats

would have killed Americans.

So let's focus on getting friends if you're going to go into a bar fight. And

that's another reason he failed, because he's been a strategic failure, and he

hasn't assembled the resources to do the thing that he wanted to do. He has

assembled resources.

You've got the UAE.

You've got even Qatar.

You've got the Jordanians.

as every other country in the region because the Iranians have been throwing

clouds at them. Do you think American soldiers feel great about that? No. They

don't have the British. They don't have the French. They don't have all of our

NATO allies. No, they've got the region.

And you've got the Italians denying us airspace.

The Spanish are denying us airspace. The whole world is pissed off at us.

The whole world is not pissed off at you. Okay, most of the world is pissed

at us and it's going down by the day. He is destroying the trust that has been

built over generations and he's taking the reputation of the American military

down with him. When he says he wants conquest, when he says today, when he

we want conquest.

Right? We said we're going to take the oil. We are not marauders. We are not

mercenaries. When Americans send men and women to die, the only thing we ask for

is a place to bury our dead. Nothing else. Absolutely. Nothing else. And

how it should be. But he's pulling all that apart. And the world does not trust

him. So therefore, they don't trust us. And no matter how admirable his goal is,

the outcome matters. And right now, the outcome is not a victory. At best, it's

incomplete. We're six weeks into it. But how many weeks is okay?

How many weeks is okay?

Can I say that?

I'm somewhat at the same page with you. I just think that this is the second

time. We have tried to do this in the Middle East. We tried it in Iraq. That

the wrong country to do it. Bush used to talk about, we need to have a democracy

in the heart of the Middle East.

Pretending we don't have one called Israel. But okay.

An Arab democracy. A Muslim democracy.

This is the second time we've basically tried to do that. Because that's really

the end game here. Let's have a democracy, an Arab democracy, that's not

theocracy in the middle of the Middle East.

It just didn't work.

Now we have what we call sunken cost fallacy.

In the Iraq war, they had that saying, don't go all the way to Baghdad. Because

that's what George Bush's father did. I use it like in my regular life. People

don't know what I'm talking about. But I just love the metaphor.

Like I said, don't go all the way to Baghdad. You don't have to marry him.

Just have fun. Don't go all the way to Baghdad.

I went to Baghdad. And Baghdad was the easy part.

Securing the peace. And here's the question that you and no one else have

answered. Just to finish this a second.

This is what.

I think, is the choice. Do we go all the way to Baghdad, like Bush II did, which

was a mistake, or do we do what his father did with limited goals and then,

okay, sorry, we'll try it again in another 20 years. It's just not the

time now. It's not happening. These people are not giving up. We're going to

fighting the Japanese in World War II.

That's the kind of tenacity they have. And it just is not going to look good.

And the question remains, right?

Who's going to secure that country?

Let's say you eliminate the nuke threat. Let's say you remove the regime.

Who are going to be the boots on the ground that are going to provide

for the Iranian people? Because I was in Baghdad and I got stuck providing

security for the Iraqi people. And right now, hold on.

This is where you have to answer the question. They said it was going to be

Kurds. That's not on the table. Is it going to be the Israelis?

No. Is it going to be Americans?

We don't know. NATO is not going to help. So is there going to be some free

Iranian army that all of a sudden feels security is going to rise up? Who is

going to provide security in the years that follow as they try to rebuild?

Let's just agree that we're not, but... I'm not, I'm not... I'm arguing for a

very, very specific thing, which is to try to make sure that they do not get

nuclear capacity.

Which is admirable, but it could be an easy part.

Okay, so that could be an easy part. So having started it, why don't we finish

that part?

What does finishing look like? Make sure that in our lifetimes and in the

foreseeable future, they do not have the ability to break out and get nuclear

weapons. Because to reach that goal is just too high a price. That's why. To

reach, I agree with the goal. We tried it, and to pay the price. that we have

only a six -week war with just aerial bombing and then the people rise up I

all for it the price for this is going to be incalculable but I have to move on

because I have to quote Trump's Easter

this

is so interesting this is on Easter now and I'm not a religious person but still

Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastard, or you'll be living in hell.

realized, like, this happens, like, almost every holiday. And I look back

some of his posts. These are real.

Memorial Day.

Happy Memorial Day to all, including the scum that spent the last four years

trying to destroy our country.

Christmas. Merry Christmas to all, including the radical scum that's doing

everything possible to destroy our country.

Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to all, including the radical left.

So I guess it's no surprise that Hallmark is now putting out a series

Donald... Putting out a series

of Donald Trump holiday cards. Would you like to hear them? Okay.

For example, there's...

Happy Mother's Day. We love our mothers. You are amazing, even though giving

birth is something a dog can do.

Happy Independence Day, or as sleepy Joe Biden calls it, Independence Day.

Happy Veterans Day to all our amazing great American troops and also the

and losers who got captured or died.

Happy Father's Day, motherfucker.

Happy Cinco de Mayo, otherwise known as May 5th, Juan.

Happy Thanksgiving to all right -thinking Americans and even the

losers who aren't thankful for me. Turkeys remind me of whores like you on

backs with their legs in the air.

So those are some of the Trump cards you can find in your aisle at the Hallmark

store. All right.

All right, let's talk about another foreign policy issue, because we could

this all night, and we don't want to bore the people. Okay, so Viktor Orban,

people don't know who he is, he is the leader of Hungary, has been since 2010.

There he is, great -looking guy.

By the way, he does look and act exactly like the colorless commies.

that led that country all the decades before it was not quote -unquote. I

it's not a communist country anymore, but it's definitely a quasi

Victor Orban is somebody who the Trump administration has always liked.

And what's so interesting is Vance went over there to campaign for him.

His quote was, Vance was...

He said, we will stand up against the bureaucrats in Brussels. I love it.

Bringing the old Washington insider campaign to Hungary. Yes, those Belgian

insiders. Fuck, we will stand up bureaucrats in Brussels.

Anyway, he fell in the polls.

Vance went over there because he looks like he's going to lose the election.

And Vance went over there to prop him up and probably propped him down.

My question for you, foreign policy experts.

Okay, Russia always has loved Orban. He's in their orbit, okay? I mean, as

Hungary was in the Soviet Union. And Russia is basically running his

Russia is campaigning for him to win.

And we're campaigning for him to win. We're working with Russia? I'm the same

guy to win an election? I just don't quite get that.

Anybody?

We are not working with Russia.

And I think it's another example of how J .D. Vance does not speak for most of

the American people.

And I think it's very important every day that Donald Trump says crazy

shit, that we talk to the world and say Donald Trump doesn't speak for most of

America on most issues, but especially on issues like Ukraine and Putin and now

Viktor Orban. Viktor Orban is a bad guy.

He is the bad guy to the world. And we are losing support from a lot of people

around the world. The Canadians no longer trust us. Half of Denmark thinks

an adversary.

And it's because our leaders, our elected leaders, J .D. Vance and others,

standing with Orban, seem to favor Putin instead of Zelensky, and it's driving

the entire world against us.

We are picking the wrong side. But can I tell you why he's sort of popular? And

it has a lot to do with your book and something I think we both believe in,

which is another thing J .D. Vance said is, we will stand with you for Western

civilization. Now, he goes too far, Victor Orban, I think, in some of his

standing for Western civilization. But I think you and I both believe.

There is such a thing as Western civilization.

Remember after 9 -11, if you said clash of civilizations, it was the beginning

of sort of that wokeness where, oh, don't say that, that's Islamophobia.

No, it was a clash of civilizations.

The civilizations are very different, and ours is better.

And if you're not clapping, spend a week in a Muslim capital, you wouldn't last.

Especially as a woman. One guy. Thank you. I agree with that guy.

Just quickly, I mean, some people are pretending that this is unusual, going

campaigning for another government. It isn't.

American politicians have done this a lot.

People tend to criticize behavior like this when it's supporting somebody they

don't like.

But I'm old enough to remember when Barack Obama came to the UK.

to support the then -conservative government in its campaign to remain in

EU. Once again, that was an American politician going and lecturing a public

about how they should vote. And again, it didn't work. The public actually

more for Brexit, partly because Obama had shown that he didn't want America to

be an ally, didn't want to be such an ally to oppose Brexit Britain.

So everyone always complains about this when it's somebody they don't like

that's being supported.

But as you say, Bill, in the case of Orban, Orban is complicated.

He did something in 2015, which I wrote about in the book, which was remarkable,

which was at the same time that the mainly left -wing politicians in Europe

saying that all of the borders of Southern Europe were open to the world

millions of people walked legally into Europe.

Viktor Orban was basically the only European leader who said no.

We're a country of 10 million people. We cannot afford to take in the world's

destitute. We can't afford to take in everyone from...

Sub -Saharan Africa, Africa, the Middle East, the Far East, who wants to come

here. And he made a stand.

And to this day, the EU penalizes his country a million euros a day because of

that stand, because they will not take the migrants who've come in in the post

-2015 wave.

So as a result of that, some people, including me, said that he had a

policy when it came to migration.

One of the problems with Orban is that undoubtedly since the war in Ukraine

began, he's had a policy which I personally don't agree with.

you don't agree with either, which is based on two things in particular.

I wouldn't say that he's pro -Putin, but he's certainly more friendly to Putin

than I'd be comfortable with.

There are two reasons for that. One is...

that he has a very popular mandate with his people to keep Hungary away from the

war in Ukraine.

Remember, there are 200 ,000 Hungarian speakers inside Ukraine. It is literally

right on their border. And they are a country who twice in the 20th century

rolled over by communists, fascists, and so on. So they want to keep out. He

wants to keep them out. And whether you agree with that or not, and I don't

agree with it, it is popular with the Hungarian people.

The second thing is his country is a hostage to, partly by his own design, a

hostage to Russian oil and gas.

And as a result, he's in a situation which, again, sensible countries

get themselves into, of being reliant on a dictator for your fuel supplies.

But lots of countries have been in that position. They're in a particularly bad

position. But those are the explanations from his point of view. But as I say, I

disagree with Orban on the Russia policy.

But on the migration policy, it has to be said that he did make the best...

decisions for his country. There's a reason why it's actually safer to walk

through Budapest these days in many ways than it is through central Berlin.

Well, the Hungarian people don't seem to agree and he's likely to lose and J .D.

Vance is probably going to be part of that and frankly Hungary can keep J .D.

Vance because we don't want him.

It's true because J .D. Vance And Donald Trump have consistently stood with

authoritarians and against democracy.

You talked for a while.

Hold on, hold on. You talked for a while.

There's a line here, okay? Either you stand with freedom or you stand with war

criminals. Either you stand with democracy or you stand with

And they consistently stand with Putin and Orban and against democracy.

That is the issue here, and everything else is secondary.

Hang on.

Victor Orban has been elected four times in eight years. in elections that are

free and fair. Now, you may disagree with that. Hang on, hang on, hang on.

You may disagree with that.

But that doesn't make him a good guy. It doesn't make him a good guy, but it

doesn't mean he's a dictator. Donald Trump won, too. Yes, exactly, but stop

calling people you disagree with authoritarian dictators.

No, that's your go -to. He was elected. That's your go -to. He was elected. He

was elected. So was Saddam Hussein. So was Hitler. Oh, come on. Saddam Hussein

wasn't elected.

He was elected. But Hitler was. Saddam Hussein was elected by 99 % of the

population. Yes, I know. I was there. I remember.

free and fair.

Hungary has had free elections. Well, they're going to have a real free and

election. And then democracy will win. And we need to be on the side of

democracy and not on the side of a fair game. And Hungary is a democracy.

Is Russia a democracy, Jim? No, of course Russia isn't a democracy.

Russia isn't a democracy. Hungary is a democracy. If Viktor Orban loses, as is

likely, once again, it will be an expression of the democratic vote. It is

democracy. It's in the EU. It's a democracy.

Don't pretend it's the same thing as Putin. I'm talking about the principles

democracy. The principles of democracy.

Yes, and if he loses, he loses.

How about that moon?

We can agree on the moon.

Well, I don't know if you can agree on the moon. I like the moon. I like who

doesn't like the moon. Big fan. To look at it from here, a fan of the moon.

Okay. I'm not a fan of going to the moon. The same question I've been asking

since I was a kid. Why?

Why? Is it worth the money?

What are we doing there? It's just another big fucking rock.

We could spend a lot.

the money more wisely, I think. If we were closer to actually having some goal

that we could reach out there in outer space, and by the way, it's not outer

space. It's right next door.

It's nothing.

I looked this up from... Listen, here's the universe, and we're on the moon, 250

miles away. I have more miles on Delta, by the way.

We live in the Milky Way galaxy. It has 100 billion stars. Kids who didn't go to

school, that's like our sun. That's our sun. That's our sun.

There's 100 to 200 billion of those just in our galaxy.

There are 30 ,000 million, million, million stars.

No, galaxies.

350 billion large galaxies, each one with the 100 to 200 billion stars in it.

What the fuck?

You really think we're going to figure this out in any time period that

We can't even get to the next planet, and we wouldn't want to in our own solar

system. It's just something for rich people to do that's fun.

It's fun. It's fun to look at. We're not really getting anything from it.

I disagree, Bill. Tell me what we're getting. What we're getting right now is

some of the only hope that we have in this country. Hope? Yeah, the Artemis

and NASA is giving people hope in America. Oh, I could sell it cheaper.

Maybe. But let's talk about the money.

Artemis is going to go. That's so big. I asked you for a concrete thing we're

getting out of it, and you said hope. I do think that that's important, but

we're also getting the fact. Hold on. We're getting the scientific research.

It's not a great argument.

We're getting the scientific research, and as soon as they land. Scientific

research. What?

As soon as they land. What?

How people live in faith in their cellular body. We know that. We know

we don't know that. They've gone farther than any human beings have ever gone.

By 10 more miles. They've been to the Earth before.

They've been to the Earth.

We've been to the moon many times.

We know.

It costs about $4 billion.

Well, the whole program costs $93 billion. Right, which is 100 days in

Okay. And less than $200 billion additional money they just have for

forgetting how to vote. And the $500 billion more they want in the defense

budget. It's small in comparison.

And I think we finally got American leaders that people respect around the

and look up to. And I do think the inspiration and hope that it's bringing

this country, especially to the young people, is absolutely critical. And I

don't think it can put a price on it. All right. Time for New Rule.

Well, NASA must explain how Artemis II astronauts more than 250 ,000 miles from

Earth are able to post selfies from their iPhones, and I lose my signal when

drive into a parking garage.

Their phones work from the dark side of the moon, and my Apple iPhone won't even

text to a Samsung, and it's literally called a galaxy.

There's your hope.

And we all love Artemis, too, but stop trying to tell me that going around the

moon is a bigger deal than landing on the moon.

I'm not saying everything was better in 1969, but, yeah, some people went to

Woodstock and some people drove past it on the way to Albany.

I'm happy I'm gone.

There's my moon. All right, new rule, don't get on a plane when you're nine

months pregnant.

A woman this week gave birth on a flight from Jamaica to New York, and all the

news shows treated it like it was a feel -good story.

It's not. It's an act -stupid story.

What about the other passengers who just

wanted to enjoy time with their emotional support animals?

And the last straw was when she asked the guy in the next row if he could

seats so her family could sit together.

You know, the baby. Okay.

Neuro, let's go back to using smoking as a way to tell that a character in a

movie is anxious or upset.

Because apparently, the only other way to do that is to watch them throw up.

That's a lot of puking, Hollywood.

And I want everyone out there, people around the internet, the next time an

actor does it in a movie, you show this clip. You show this new role.

Actors in Hollywood, you have been put on notice. Enough with vomit. If you

really want to show that shit just really got real, do what real actors do

punch a mirror.

The rural Germans have to figure out a different way to say, we're hiring.

Yeah, I don't exactly speak German, but sorry, but we're sukin' dick.

Doesn't sound like you're ready to hire anyone.

In fact, it sounds like you need the money more than we do.

And finally, Newell, stop asking me how it is that bad people can do good

things. Here in California, we've been busy lately scraping a name off every

building in the state because famed labor leader Cesar Chavez turned out to

not the folk saint we had been told, but more like the Latino Jeffrey Epstein.

Saint? He was more like a priest, if you know what I mean.

Officials here have been in such a rush to get his name off schools, half the

kids in LA now go to TBD Elementary.

Now...

Such a man as Cesar Chavez presents us with the age -old quandary of purists

versus utilitarians, who are people who believe, above all else, numbers matter.

Chavez undeniably made the lives of millions better. So the question is, if

could go back in time and kill him to spare the young girls he assaulted,

you? A purist says yes.

I say no.

which is also what Dolores Huerta said. She was Chavez's right -hand aide in the

movement and also one of his rape victims.

And she said she never reported his crimes because, quote, the formation of

union was the only vehicle to accomplish and secure farmworkers' rights, and I

wasn't going to let Cesar or anyone else get in the way. The farmworker movement

has always been bigger and far more important than any one individual.

That, to me, is pretty heroic.

But that's life. Being an adult often means choosing between two horrible

options, like the food on United.

But here's where someone always says, why can't we just have great deeds

done by good people?

I don't know, because we live on Earth.

Things are really imperfect here. I'll see you at the Michael Jackson movie.

Yeah, it's funny how when it comes to the arts, we seem to have no trouble

separating bad people from the good stuff they do.

Kanye just sold out SoFi.

He could perform on a floating swastika, and his fans would say, I don't support

everything. I'm just here for the songs about women obsessed with money.

Would it be great if all pop stars were pure and societal advancements were all

led by an exemplary human being with a benevolent heart and an incredible head

of hair?

Of course, but I only have so much time in the day.

Kids, do you know about MBS?

No, that's not when older people can't shit right.

No, MBS is Mohammed bin Salman. He's the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. And

thanks to him, Saudi Arabia lets women drive now.

And the fact that that is an applause break

tells you how heavy a lift modernizing Saudi Arabia is.

Thank you, one person.

But he's doing it. On the flip side, he absolutely did order the decapitating of

a journalist with a bone saw. Now, the purist says get rid of him. No

with wrongdoing.

Yeah, Biden tried that.

He wouldn't shake his hand.

And he said he'd make the Saudis pay the price and make them pariahs. Yeah, then

we remembered we need their oil and the price of pariah dropped through the

floor.

Trump, of course, completely could give a shit about any of it, and said to MBS,

put her there, and as long as you're killing journalists, have you met Don

Lemon?

So, kill MBS

if you like, but just know you'd also be killing the dreams of millions of Saudi

women to not live like chattel.

Because MBS is also the reformer who defanged the religious police there and

women leave the house without a male guardian. He allowed female students to

carry phones on campus, although he might want to rethink that one.

Now, do MBS's good deeds excuse the

head chopping?

Of course not. They live alongside it.

Or take MBS's big buddy Jared Kushner, who, while he's America's negotiator in

the wars going on in the Middle East, he also has billion -dollar business deals

going with the Saudis and Qatar and the UAE. Wow!

This guy looks meek, but he's got some balls.

Do I love it that the president's son -in -law wets his beak while doing the

nation's business?

No. But he's a millennial. Of course he's got a side hustle.

And also, maybe that's how business gets done in that part of the world. Yes, it

reeks of corruption.

But do I hate it that the top dog in Islam is bros with a Jew? I don't.

I think it's great progress that the Arabs

would rather bribe Jews than kill them.

Kushner got the Abraham Accords done. That's a good thing, even if you think

wrong team did it.

The Iranian regime has killed because they wanted to be free.

Thousands and thousands of women on purpose.

We killed 175 by accident.

Horrible. But do the moral math.

Do the math math.

People get killed in almost all big undertakings. Death is almost always the

price for emancipation. But would you argue that our civil war wasn't worth

lives lost?

Don't answer that, Stephen Miller.

Thomas Jefferson had sex with a slave, and being a slave, it meant she could

say no. That's a rapist. A rapist wrote the Declaration of Independence, and

somehow was also the product of the Enlightenment, who invented a great

Life makes no sense.

Labor unions and democracies are founded by rapists. Women can be liberated by

pussy grabbers.

Modernity can be ushered in by beheaders. I know. It's like finding out

Woods teaches driver's ed.

So, when I see people spouting slogans like peace, not war, unity, not

I roll my eyes. Of course this is what we all want. The adult question is, at

what price?

violence is never okay.

Yes, it is.

World War II got millions killed, but without it, people would still be hiling

Hitler. Okay, bad example.

All right, that's our show. I want to thank my guests, Paul Rykoff, Douglas

Murray, and Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel.

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